IRC log of #harmattan for Tuesday, 2012-05-22

itsnotabigtruckbest way is to run opensh and do accli -I00:00
mankelibtw, what is the mechanism that determines if package is possible to remove from launcher?00:03
itsnotabigtruckand Stecchino: so yeah, if you use signon-oauth200:03
itsnotabigtruckwhat you can do is call process with mechanism HMAC-SHA100:03
itsnotabigtruckand it'll give you a OAuth1PluginTokenData00:03
mankelithere doesn't seem to be clear answer to that in the harmattan docs00:03
itsnotabigtruckwhich contains an access token and token secret00:03
itsnotabigtruckand it looks like the HMAC key is produced from the token secret and consumer secret00:05
Stecchinoitsnotabigtruck: yup, but then every message still needs to be signed with a nonce and timestamp. I could re-implement the functions in qoauth, but that is just a waist of valuable time and might not work either00:05
itsnotabigtruckso it would go call into signon -> retrieve token secret -> do oauth1 signature logic00:05
itsnotabigtruckwell, you could continue using qoauth as well as signon-oauth200:05
Stecchinoanyway, I think resources might have nothing to do with it. Could it be a kernel dev node is not readable by user?00:05
itsnotabigtruckmind you, the aegis problem you have now still needs to be solved then00:05
itsnotabigtruckbut having accounts integration would make your app a lot more slick00:05
Stecchinoit would, it on my todo00:05
itsnotabigtruckmost apps don't have that right now because the devs cba to do it00:05
itsnotabigtruckthose apps aren't slick :p00:06
Stecchinoitsnotabigtruck: I found a way to run from QtCreator as user now. So I can trace the error better00:07
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itsnotabigtruckbtw you should put your app in appsformeego, also00:09
itsnotabigtruckit's kind of tricky to do with qt creator, which is a piece of crap that should not be used :p00:09
itsnotabigtruckbut since you're using it already, there is a way to adapt the output into something for afm00:09
itsnotabigtruckand why don't you strace your app and watch for EPERM and EACCES errors00:10
itsnotabigtruckwhat is the server that's being authenticated to00:11
Stecchinoitsnotabigtruck: a local snowy install00:12
itsnotabigtruckso is the user expected to type in all the oauth parameters for every server they're going to use?00:12
Stecchinono, just the url of the server00:13
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itsnotabigtruckie. the 3 endpoints, consumer id and consumer secret00:13
itsnotabigtruckor is it 4 endpoints00:13
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Stecchinoitsnotabigtruck: it will be compatible with Ubuntu 1 sync as well, for which I'll probably create a pre-configured setup00:15
Stecchinoand using accounts and SSO obviously00:15
itsnotabigtruckthose docs are pretty spartan, esp about the authentication stuff00:15
itsnotabigtrucklooks like most of the oauth parameters come from the server00:16
Stecchinoitsnotabigtruck: they actually all do00:16
itsnotabigtruckwhat's used for the consumer secret00:16
Stecchinoexcept for the host there is nothing the user needs to enter00:16
Stecchinoitsnotabigtruck: snowy is by convention configured to not need a customer secret00:16
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Stecchinoit might be different for U100:17
itsnotabigtruckwell, the oauth protocol requires a consumer secret00:17
itsnotabigtruckit could be a fixed string though00:17
Stecchino    m_qoauth->setConsumerSecret("anyone");00:17
itsnotabigtruckso it's anyone00:17
Stecchinowell, snowy does not care in any case00:17
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Stecchinohappily hands out request tokens00:18
itsnotabigtruckwell, anyway, i'd suggest trying out signon-oauth2 + QOAuth or something like that sooner rather than later00:18
Stecchinoit's up to the user to trust their apps, as it should be00:18
itsnotabigtruckyou could use it without the accounts system, and then adapt that in later more easily00:18
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itsnotabigtruckwriting the account plugin itself could be a bit tricky since the stock one definitely isn't going to work00:18
StecchinoIt's been a while but i might still remember what they look like from >1 year ago00:19
itsnotabigtruckyeah, i'm not advocating the consumer secret system, i was just worried it would be a problem00:19
Stecchinofixed a few bugs around accounts-ui00:19
itsnotabigtruckit's a good thing it's not because that would sort of torpedo the whole key-in-any-server thing00:19
itsnotabigtrucki think for the account plugin, it would basically come down to a) displaying a server box, b) contacting the server and grabbing the info, c) passing the info on to signon-oauth2, which pops up a web box and acquires the token, d) determining the user's username and storing that with the signon/accounts data00:22
itsnotabigtruckbut for phase 1, that functionality could be put into the app to save the bother of writing the plugin00:23
itsnotabigtruckstecchino: but anyway, did you make any headway with the aegis-exec/devel-su/develsh testing00:26
Stecchinono, but strace is proving to be useful00:26
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befordhi, shouldn't Mail client use google talk's mail from my contacts as a mail address?01:18
ZogG_laptopbeford: depends01:25
befordhey ZogG_laptop, not sure, I mean, trying to compose a mail from the built in client, and a click on the + sign, it says no contacts01:26
befordshouldn't it at *least* show the ones from Talk on the same account?01:27
ZogG_laptopbeford: try entering name, doesn't it complete it?01:28
ZogG_laptopi'm not lemme check01:28
befordI've justa added facebook and two contacts appear, I suppose they share their email address from FB01:30
befordI guess the problem is that Gtalk contacts do not have a "mail" field01:31
ZogG_laptopbeford: i have few contact i dunno how they were added, but i think as it has types mail and jabber it adds as jabber info and that's why do not add as email01:31
ZogG_laptopbeford: go to that contact and check info01:31
befordyes, that seems to be the problem01:31
befordbut I do not want to add it manually to each of my contacts :P01:31
ZogG_laptopbeford: than app/script should be used, as well as bug report01:33
befordyea :/01:35
befordwell maybe I am "holding" it wrong, going to ask on TMO just in case01:36
ZogG_laptopbeford: i checked it doesn't work01:40
ZogG_laptopchecked on someone i have in google talks but do not have on mail as well01:40
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ZogG_laptopthp: ping13:53
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thpZogG_laptop: pong14:39
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ZogG_laptopthp: i just have few questions about harmattan on github14:52
ZogG_laptopmay i?14:52
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ZogG_laptopX freezed15:02
ZogG_laptopdidn't find out reason yet =(15:02
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thpZogG_laptop: don't ask to ask, just ask ;)15:05
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ZogG_laptopthp: how do i create repo there?15:08
ZogG_laptopdo i need to create it under my account and somehow pull it there ?15:08
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ZogG_laptopor i can do it from there (but than i don't have any button or anything for that)15:09
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ZogG_laptopthp: my bad, i think i found how to do it15:10
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artemmaanybody needs N950? #finland15:47
mankelihow much?15:47
kevin_bI'd like to own one15:48
artemmawell, technically I don't think I have a right to sell it15:48
artemmabut I can let you borrow it forever15:48
artemmathat is in theory Nokia may like to call it back at some point15:49
mankelithat would be nice15:49
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artemmaI am thinking of 500eur or best offer15:49
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artemmawas thinking about ebay, but decided to ask here first15:49
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SpeedEvilIf you want to donate it, you might consider the summer program15:55
SpeedEvilLook and find a worthy proposal that doesn't get the debate.15:55
artemmait's definitely better than having it lying on the shelf, indeed..15:56
mankeliwhat summer program?15:57
SpeedEvilI'm so tempted to add '25 for mortal men, doomed to die' to the bottom of that list.15:59
SpeedEvil'And one for Elop alone, on his dark throne'16:00
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djszapihmm, ovi is not proceeding recently with submitted updates ?16:00
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mankeliSpeedEvil: ooh. i thought n9 is officially dead :D16:08
mankelibut nokia sponsoring devs like that.. wtf is up with them16:08
djszapimankeli: why would it ?16:08
mankelididnt they already delete n9 even from their site?16:09
djszapithey did not.16:09
ninnnuRandom guess: N9-apps will be also more or less compatible with upcoming Meltemi?16:09
djszapionly from the Finnish16:09
djszapininnnu: why would they16:10
SpeedEvilninnnu: Seems unlikely from what's been revealed.16:10
djszapiqt4 != qt516:10
ninnnuOkay, so not.16:10
djszapiyou can use qtquick1 tough16:10
djszapibut this is all speculation what the platform will be anyway16:11
djszapiso makes no sense to discuss16:11
fluxprobably it will change once or twice before it sees the market :P16:12
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djszapithat is normal nayway16:12
ZogG_laptopartemma: why would you get rid of n95016:12
artemmaZogG_laptop: never using N95016:12
artemmaalways on N916:12
artemmaIn fact I also have one Lumia 800 and one extra N9 to sell as well :)16:12
ZogG_laptopit's bad i'm not from finland =)16:12
artemmabut these go out for cheap. Whoever gives 200 eur first16:13
artemmaZogG_laptop: Finland is only for simplicity of transactions. If you happen to trust me enough for international money transfer and pay for shipment (I guess you'll want better than just mail), it's fine16:14
petteri200 for N95016:19
fluxyou can probably get 2000 for n950 :P16:20
petteri artemma: ping me if you accept my offer. I am located at helsinki16:23
ZogG_laptopartemma: i would love to get n950 and don't care to pay shipment but i understand that you would prefer to give it for someone who is in Finland =\16:24
artemmapetteri: I'll think about it, but will try to get som emore16:25
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artemmaflux: some fan would probably want to get N950 for 2000, yet I am not sure if I am able to find one. 500 is something that normal people could still spend on getting a great dev device16:26
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petteri ok, if you want to have auction, keep the offers public (here at this channel) :)16:26
artemmaZogG_laptop: It can be out of Finland. It's just so that I am located in Finland, so with local folks e could arrange something even today and you could see everything yourself16:26
artemmaZogG_laptop: DCC me your email if you want to see some photos/videos of the exact condition16:28
artemmaSW wise it's perfect, but there are a couple of scratches here and there16:28
artemmascreen is fine16:28
ZogG_laptopartemma: so you sell it or it's for free(only shipping cost? )16:28
artemmaZogG_laptop: you missed the 500 eur line apparently :)16:29
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ZogG_laptopoh i did =)16:31
ZogG_laptopi read only borrow forever part16:31
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RST38hMEANWHILE: Samsung has asked a Californian court to dismiss seven of Apple's expert witnesses in a patent case - because their "slavish" love for the Foxconn-rebrander means they are unable to give useful testimony.16:40
ZogG_laptoprZr: still sleeping?16:43
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: you may want to see it as well =)16:44
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b0unc3guys, anyone know if is it possible to have upstart running on a gconf event (key change)?17:45
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ZogG_laptoprzr: i sent you source =)19:34
rzrlet me check19:34
rzrZogG_laptop, where ? ?19:35
ZogG_laptoprzr: i put the code on github19:35
ZogG_laptoprzr: but i think it's not working version as i added account plugin and i think it messed app19:35
ZogG_laptoprzr: checking it now19:36
rzrwhere did you send that message ?19:36
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ZogG_laptoprzr: here and tmo19:36
tgalalsup wazappers :P19:37
ZogG_laptoptgalal: sup sup19:37
ZogG_laptoptgalal: we found you the perfect place to put the source =P19:37
tgalalZogG_laptop: oh where where\19:38
ZogG_laptopbtw i think it supports private repos there as well when you cn add people you want to see it =)19:38
rzrlet me try to build this now19:38
ZogG_laptopbut you should chck with thp for last thing i said19:38
ZogG_laptoprzr: it's not exactly working version =P19:38
tgalalZogG_laptop: Yeah it supports private repos19:38
tgalalnot for free though19:38
ZogG_laptoprzr: actually i just checked and i think it's working. though it need to be checked19:40
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ZogG_laptoprzr: tgalal mind to check something?19:40
tgalalZogG_laptop: whatsup?19:40
ZogG_laptoptgalal: my app19:41
befordhey tgalal19:41
tgalalZogG_laptop: what app?19:41
befordI flashed my phone and I was unable to re-register19:41
ZogG_laptopit was working but now i added plugin into source and i'm not sure if app still working or it's left over of last version install19:41
befordI ended using the "everything seems to be failing" and worked :P19:42
tgalalbeford: see, that's why I added it :P19:42
ZogG_laptopbeford: it'sa magic19:42
tgalalbeford: the function name is "abrakadbra"19:42
tgalalfor real19:42
rzri just cloned it19:42
befordI received some "too recent" errors with the voice and sms method, weird because I had activated my account from the first beta, but that button did the trick19:43
ZogG_laptoprzr: waaaait19:44
ZogG_laptoprzr: i gitignored something by mistake19:44
rzrZogG_laptop, i will rebase it once built :)19:44
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ZogG_laptoprzr: i ignored build dir19:45
ZogG_laptoprzr: pushing now19:45
ZogG_laptoprzr: recheck19:45
ZogG_laptoptgalal: beford do you mind to check the deb?19:46
befordshort url link me19:46
ZogG_laptopbeford: qrcode?19:46
befordlet me install the qr code reader19:47
tgalalZogG_laptop: same here19:47
tgalallet me install the reader19:47
ZogG_laptopmeescan is good one19:47
befordbtw are you still working on imgur "share" integration ZogG_laptop ?19:48
ZogG_laptopbeford: that's the app19:48
befordnice, with share? :o19:48
ZogG_laptopbeford: i honestly didn't touch it for a long time, today went opensource19:48
rzrProject ERROR: Package libsignon-qt not found19:48
ZogG_laptopbeford: no, for now it half working account integration19:48
ZogG_laptoprzr: what pr you use?19:49
ZogG_laptoprzr: try to delete that one i think i added too much of those just in case =)19:49
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tgalalZogG_laptop: qrcode please19:50
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ZogG_laptoptgalal: beford
ZogG_laptopbeford: you can try to add account btw, but you need to chmod +x invoker script19:51
tgalalZogG_laptop: you are funkycode? :P19:51
ZogG_laptopi need to add it to post install script after i figure out how i do it =)19:51
ZogG_laptoptgalal: why?19:51
ZogG_laptoptgalal: my nick was taken19:52
tgalalZogG_laptop: aha19:52
ZogG_laptopi still don't get how funkycode was not and my nick was =)19:52
rzrno need to keep binary inside the scm19:52
befordi dont have an imgur account though19:53
tgalalZogG_laptop: choose image shows blank page19:53
befordbut I like to use it to share random shots, pictures19:53
ZogG_laptopbttw if someone interested i made small C++ console app for imgur as well — "$imgr pic.png" would return url19:53
rzrsure put it aside :)19:53
ZogG_laptoptgalal: yeah was the same for me, but i checked today and it was ok19:53
ZogG_laptoprzr: under my github account there is repo with console app, i think you shoul make install it and copy to bin if you want19:54
rzr1st let me try to push my changes back to you19:54
ZogG_laptoprzr: ok19:55
ZogG_laptoprzr: i just not sure if i sync with your change it still would work in qtcreator as i have no scratchbox and can't really install it due it taking too much space (68 gibs SSD here for whole linux drive and same for win7)19:58
rzrwell you will just tell it19:58
ZogG_laptoptgalal: try relaunching it19:58
ZogG_laptoprzr: tell what?19:59
ZogG_laptoptgalal: never mind19:59
ZogG_laptopi found the problem19:59
befordyes chose image is empty20:00
ZogG_laptopit doesn't work when you launch it from phone =\20:01
ZogG_laptopit works when you launch it from qtcreator20:01
ZogG_laptopprobably aegis thing20:01
ZogG_laptoplemme re-check20:01
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ZogG_laptoprzr: oops disconeccted20:01
ZogG_laptopso what was last thing i said and last thing you said =)20:01
befordlemme recheck20:02
ZogG_laptoptgalal: i found the problem i think, it's probably aegis as it does work when i build on phone from qtcreator but doesn't when i launch fom phone as well20:02
tgalalZogG_laptop: still give blank20:02
ZogG_laptopbeford: wouldn't work20:02
ZogG_laptoptgalal: ^20:02
befordthats what you said20:02
beford<ZogG_laptop> lemme re-check20:02
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befordfigure out the "share" integration and it will be perfect ZogG_laptop !20:07
ZogG_laptopbeford: share in app or app in share20:07
befordsystem share20:07
befordshare from gallery, external apps20:08
ZogG_laptopbeford: the idea to redesing and add setting to add sharing in plugins and ability to share from app, to add galerry and files organization from in app with login20:08
mankelihey, so does someone know what causes package to be uninstallable via launcher?20:08
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befordZogG_laptop, plugin share yea, it will be nice20:09
befordI heard it's not that well documented but it would be nice20:09
mankeliit shows in installed apps and can be removed from there, but in launcher there is no delete-button20:09
ZogG_laptopbeford: i added account plugin20:10
befordmankeli, qt projects are uninstalable from the launcher20:10
befordI suppose its something on the .desktop fie20:11
ZogG_laptopbut i didn't figured out how to get tokens from it in the app20:11
ZogG_laptopwhen it would be finished i'll try share plugin20:11
ZogG_laptopbeford: i'n mot developer, so it's hard for me20:11
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befordyea :/20:13
ZogG_laptopbeford: mind to redownload and check now?20:13
ZogG_laptopi think i fixed aegis thing20:13
befordsame url?20:13
ZogG_laptopshould be the same as uploaded file20:14
mankelibeford: this is packaged in scratchbox20:15
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ZogG_laptopmankeli: i have few programs like that20:15
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mankelii cannot locate anything what could possibly matter20:15
ZogG_laptopmankeli: try to delete it and check if desktop file is still there20:15
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mankelido you think its .desktop perms?20:17
befordmankeli, works now20:17
befordmankeli, I think its a field on the desktop file, did you check a default qtcreator project20:17
beforderm sorry, it was ZogG_laptop, its working nw20:17
ZogG_laptopbeford: as i thought it was aegis thing20:18
mankelibeford: damn :)20:18
ZogG_laptoprzr: i still can't see your pull request20:19
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befordZogG_laptop, it seems to show the "old" picture for a while when browsing imgur gallery right?20:20
ZogG_laptopbeford: nope20:22
ZogG_laptopbeford: there are  few categories20:23
ZogG_laptopbeford: i use
befordmaybe i dont explain my self20:23
ZogG_laptophot is not always fresh one20:23
ZogG_laptopi think there are fresh ones as well20:23
ZogG_laptopi wanted to add it as option as well20:24
befordI mean this, click gallery, click pretty dog, go back, click funny face, I see pretty dog for a while (its downloading the img I suppose) and then I see the funny face20:24
ZogG_laptopbeford: oh, yes20:24
ZogG_laptopbeford: that and it jumps not to top =(20:24
ZogG_laptopbeford: it uses old data till it downloads new one20:25
befordyea, that's a flickable thing no? I think you can scroll it to the top20:25
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ZogG_laptopbeford: as now i'm opensource i would like if you could make an issues on github20:25
ZogG_laptopbeford: you can scroll but it jumps after loading or something likethat, i remember i didnt like it myself20:26
ZogG_laptopbeford: also if don't mind check camera shots20:26
befordgood point, doesn't work20:27
befordI think you need CAP::Video or something like that20:27
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ZogG_laptopi think i have GRP:video20:28
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ZogG_laptopbeford: rzr got disconnected again, something wrong with my internetz, and than got about thousands phone calls21:03
rzrZogG_laptop, back21:04
rzri just built it21:04
rzrabout to install on device to check :_21:04
rzrarg conflicst21:04
ZogG_laptoprzr: i fixed aegis21:05
ZogG_laptopthere were problems21:05
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rzrZogG_laptop, do u plan to keep the deb file inside the sources tree ?21:27
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ZogG_laptoprzr: not really, why would i keep deb inside?21:32
ZogG_laptopi just added it for tests21:32
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rzri dont manage to use that app :)21:35
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ZogG_laptopbeford: can you redownload and check the camera now?21:54
befordlink please21:55
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ZogG_laptope-yes: sup man22:24
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