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| ieatlint | djszapi: the food's good | 00:14 |
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| ieatlint | also currently in a talk being given by rasterman, which is kinda cool | 00:14 |
| faenil | tizen? | 00:15 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: well, i don't think there's really such a thing as a 'mini sim' | 00:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though yeah, i've seen some sites calling a regular sim that | 00:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | have SIM cards ever been any larger than the normal (ID-000) size? | 00:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i suppose maybe at one point they could have been ID-1 size (i.e. credit card size) | 00:28 |
| leinir | itsnotabigtruck: could you steal one of the dev devices for me, please? ;) | 00:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | o.O | 00:28 |
| leinir | ehrm... ieatlint even :P | 00:28 |
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| ieatlint | leinir: of course, i'm always happy to commit larceny for random people on irc | 00:28 |
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| leinir | ieatlint: *nods* Thought so - it's what we do, right? ;) | 00:33 |
| ieatlint | damn right :) | 00:34 |
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| gabriel9 | do you know how to parse CDATA from XML | 00:40 |
| gabriel9 | in qml? | 00:40 |
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| ieatlint | i know how in qt/c++... | 00:44 |
| ieatlint | only QML specific XML stuff was the xml view for lists i thought | 00:44 |
| ieatlint | otherwise just look up the xml parsing stuff for straight javascript | 00:44 |
| gabriel9 | as i know there is no parser in JS for XML | 00:46 |
| gabriel9 | for json there is :) | 00:46 |
| gabriel9 | and solution that i found is based ActiveX :/ | 00:48 |
| gabriel9 | time to continue learning C++ :) | 00:49 |
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| ieatlint | i'm about 60% sure there is, but that remaining 40% is pretty glaring | 00:49 |
| ieatlint | http://www.w3schools.com/xml/xml_parser.asp | 00:49 |
| ieatlint | i suspect the xml dom stuff is present in the js engines used by qt | 00:51 |
| gabriel9 | hm | 00:53 |
| gabriel9 | i wonder | 00:53 |
| gabriel9 | i will try | 00:53 |
| gabriel9 | good night all | 00:54 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | 'sup | 01:33 |
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| Sput | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2012/05/10/tizen-first-impressions/ | 04:19 |
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| CreamyG31337 | anyone know why the debug output from qml would stop working suddenly? now it just says it started/stopped the process. the daemon part shows all the debug statements though... | 05:04 |
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| npm | Sput: my first impression is that my palm and my face have melted together... | 05:15 |
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| npm | CreamyG31337: because you updated SDK and forgot to hit "build all" in Tools | 05:16 |
| CreamyG31337 | well i didn't update but i did some cleans and deleted the makefiles manually because they were not rebuilding correct | 05:30 |
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| CreamyG31337 | anyways i'm not sure what you mean, there's a build-all in the build menu that doesn't seem to help... | 05:37 |
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| Arie | GAN950: a shot in the dark here, but do you own an N950? | 05:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Arie, GAN950 == GeneralAntillesN950 | 06:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Much like GAN900 and GAN800 before him. | 06:00 |
| Arie | GeneralAntilles: then I should be ArieN950 :p | 06:05 |
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| bef0rd | qt creator 2.5 released | 07:36 |
| Arie | bef0rd: yeah, now if Harmattan can be rereleased, we'd be set | 07:37 |
| bef0rd | it's a start | 07:43 |
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| Arie | bef0rd: qt with no harmattan is like peanut butter without jelly | 07:51 |
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| GentooXativa | morning | 11:03 |
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| CreamyG31337 | npm, it was actually not working because i had a HapticsEffect { } in my qml, and nokia doesn't fix anything we report them | 11:19 |
| Siva | CreamyG31337: its more specifically because of "import QtMobility.feedback 1.1" I think. I have seen the same problem. | 11:24 |
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| spenap_ | has anyone managed to pass plugin arguments (such as the key ids) to the Map Component in QML? | 11:29 |
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| Siva | spenap: No luck yet on that. But the Map seems to work all the same even without the key id plugin parameter.. | 11:32 |
| jonni | CreamyG31337: Im using HapticsEffect in my QML app, and it works just fine, what kind of problems do you have? | 11:32 |
| Siva | jonni: console.log doesn't work in the qml file where QtMobility Feedback is imported.. | 11:34 |
| jonni | Siva: ah that one, you can re-enable console.log quite easily though | 11:35 |
| Siva | jonni: how so? and any particular reason for the current behavior? | 11:36 |
| jonni | Siva: http://pastebin.com/T5G5XSEk | 11:36 |
| jonni | its a known 'feature' or some might even say bug :) | 11:40 |
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| Siva | jonni: so importing QtMobility Feedback overrides the default msgHandler? | 11:42 |
| Siva | and really not sure how this 'feature' is useful :P | 11:43 |
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| GentooXativa | morning :D | 12:50 |
| rzr | hi there | 12:52 |
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| ZogG_laptop | frals: that's it? no twitter and facebook updates? =))) | 13:18 |
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| Tronic | Has anyone tried to find out why Nokia Maps uses so much battery (even when on background)? | 14:20 |
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| Tronic | I often find myself entering powersave mode around noon if I have forgotten to close Maps. | 14:21 |
| Arie | Tronic: constant gps lock is very battery intensive. | 14:21 |
| Tronic | I don't think it even keeps constant GPS lock. When I unlock the screen, it still displays my old location with the yellow dot instead of green. | 14:22 |
| Tronic | Also, GPS lock should not consume a lot of power because those BT GPS dongles can keep running for up to 10 hours with a single charge and a much smaller battery. | 14:22 |
| Arie | Tronic: oddly the battery management on my N950 is so much better than my N9's, going on day 2 without charging and at 58%, idle power consumption 4mA | 14:23 |
| Tronic | (perhaps Nokia GPS implementation does more calculations in software and thus consumes more power? | 14:23 |
| Arie | Tronic: that's probably it | 14:24 |
| Tronic | I manage to get 2-3 of use without charging on light use (but comms enabled) on N9, as long as I stay away from the few battery hog tasks (3G data transfers, Maps, 3d games). | 14:25 |
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| Tronic | *2-3 days | 14:26 |
| Tronic | This is significantly better than N950 which won't last two full days. | 14:26 |
| Arie | Tronic: My n9 never lasted that long | 14:28 |
| Arie | Tronic: do you have an N950 too? | 14:28 |
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| denism | My N9 consumes less than 50% of battery in 7 days. But I had to remove SIM card and switch off any other service. | 14:29 |
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| Jeffrey04 | erm, i switched the restricted mode to on using python's gconf.client_get_default().set_bool function | 14:30 |
| Jeffrey04 | and i still get twitter updates :/ | 14:30 |
| Jeffrey04 | should i file a bug? | 14:30 |
| Jeffrey04 | or i shouldn't set the /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/restricted_mode using gconf? | 14:30 |
| denism | Jeffrey04: is there a place where bug can be filed? | 14:31 |
| Jeffrey04 | no :/ | 14:31 |
| Jeffrey04 | i mean post in the official developer forum | 14:31 |
| denism | ah, ok :) | 14:31 |
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| Jeffrey04 | and the IM wouldn't really respect the restricted_mode setting too :/ | 14:32 |
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| Jeffrey04 | so it would stay on even when the setting is set to true | 14:32 |
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| Jeffrey04 | the code that does the setting is here https://bitbucket.org/jeffrey04/restricted-mode-toggler/src/e89205012fa0/ModeUpdater_class.py line 13 | 14:33 |
| Jeffrey04 | the code actually works, because after execution, i did a check in Settings->Internet Connection | 14:34 |
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| Arie | denism: what is battery life like with cell service? | 14:36 |
| denism | Arie: it does not matter :) I am using it a lot, so I have to put it to charger every night | 14:37 |
| Arie | ok | 14:37 |
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| MrModR | can anybody with scratchbox help package a bunch of scripts for me? | 14:50 |
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| Tronic | Arkenoi: I have both N950 and N9, yes. | 15:09 |
| Tronic | *Arie (who left already) | 15:09 |
| RzR | Tronic, and which one do you daily use ? | 15:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 5800 ;-P | 15:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Tronic: arie: I think the Nokia liblocation is using/doing more than just GPS. That's probably why it's eating battery | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | e.g. it's also using WLAN (depending on type of lock you requested) which is known to consume quite a bit of energy for constant scanning | 15:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and it's actually obscure/unclear what liblocation does with modem to find location based on visible GSM stations and other on-the-air properties | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Connectivity_Components/Using_Location_API#Location_methods might help | 16:01 |
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| tgalal | so here is something | 16:09 |
| tgalal | get me a ticket for this http://lpunderground.groundctrl.net/events/102573?theme=inline and I shall send you a wazapp package immediately hehe | 16:10 |
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| rzr | itsnotabigtruck, hi | 16:55 |
| rzr | itsnotabigtruck, i see you pushed lftp | 16:55 |
| rzr | itsnotabigtruck, did dj had a look at it ? | 16:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rzr: don't think so | 16:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the problem was that the old one depends on gnutls and it's broken | 16:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so i tweaked it so it builds against openssl (0.9.8) instead | 16:56 |
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| rzr | nice | 16:56 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | bbl | 17:12 |
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| tgalal | Arie: gotcha! | 17:42 |
| Arie | tgalal: finally | 17:44 |
| Arie | do you want to message me a faster way to reach you? | 17:44 |
| Arie | tgalal: for your ticket talk to itsnotabigtruck | 17:45 |
| tgalal | Arie: email is good, and you can catch me on google talk same email as well (personal one), but don't spread it | 17:47 |
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| tgalal | can itsnotabigtruck get me a ticket? | 17:47 |
| Arie | add me on google talk everythingn9@gmail.com | 17:47 |
| Arie | tgalal: if he doesn't know, he can point you in the right direction | 17:48 |
| tgalal | itsnotabigtruck: do you know? | 17:49 |
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| GentooXativa | bye people, cu on few days | 18:09 |
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| djszapi | hey, heh: "Ok game good to pass the time." and three stars. People are hard to understand. :-) | 19:25 |
| djszapi | for an ovi review, that is. | 19:26 |
| spenap | I had once a "very good app!" and then 3 stars as well :), so you can see | 19:27 |
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| djszapi | spenap: perhaps better not to have review option in Ovi, if this crap happens xD | 19:29 |
| djszapi | I gave up checking the review rates to be honest while trying out new applications. | 19:29 |
| rzr | good i feared you will hang yourself :) | 19:30 |
| CreamyG31337 | i have one that says 'i wish it had this feature' 4/5, but i had that feature already :( | 19:30 |
| CreamyG31337 | drives me nuts cuz there's no way to respond | 19:30 |
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| djszapi | CreamyG31337: I felt the same few months ago | 19:32 |
| djszapi | I had the same situation. | 19:32 |
| djszapi | I cannot even say, the feature is not intuitive to recognize. I have a settings page, and he requested a setting | 19:32 |
| djszapi | and it is at the top of the settings page. | 19:32 |
| djszapi | and I was totally incapable to reply. :-) | 19:33 |
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| beford | ovi should allow developer's response | 19:40 |
| beford | is not that hard to implement.. | 19:40 |
| spenap | in the end, I don't care that much. You could reply if the number of comments was low | 19:41 |
| spenap | but in the end, it's simply impossible, so it's better to ignore them | 19:42 |
| djszapi | I definitely disagree | 19:42 |
| djszapi | why rating system, if the rating is not moderated ? | 19:42 |
| spenap | djszapi: of course, the system doesn't work atm, | 19:42 |
| spenap | but when commenting | 19:42 |
| spenap | you could have several choices, like "rating / bug / feature" | 19:43 |
| spenap | so you could filter & reply the important ones | 19:43 |
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| spenap | btw, I'm still looking for translators at https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/butaca/. Any help is definitely appreciated :-) | 19:45 |
| djszapi | spenap: I do not care about advanced features until the fundamentals are working reliably. | 19:46 |
| djszapi | there is a rating system -> fix it. | 19:46 |
| djszapi | rating is not a bad idea per se. | 19:46 |
| spenap | of course not, I always look at the ratings before downloading sth | 19:46 |
| djszapi | I do not anymore :-) | 19:47 |
| spenap | :P | 19:47 |
| djszapi | I have seen an app with full "good" feedback, not constructive critic | 19:47 |
| djszapi | and something like three stars average, but not mine. | 19:47 |
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| radiofree | I suppose on a scale of 1-5, 3 is "good" | 19:51 |
| djszapi | that is not the point. ;) | 19:52 |
| djszapi | if you do not give five stars, please let me know why! | 19:53 |
| djszapi | so I can improve that. | 19:53 |
| djszapi | at any rate, three stars do not really look cool for an application as an average review to be quite honest. | 19:53 |
| djszapi | it is the who cares category :) | 19:54 |
| djszapi | aka. middle. | 19:54 |
| spenap | djszapi: in your next update, you could show a message asking users to review. That way, you can get users who haven't writing positively about the app | 19:54 |
| radiofree | that would be pretty annoying... | 19:54 |
| djszapi | agree with radiofree about that :-P | 19:55 |
| spenap | radiofree, djszapi, it should depend on how intrusive it is | 19:56 |
| spenap | if it's just a small message in the bottom, and you can dismiss it forever | 19:56 |
| spenap | I don't think it's so annoying | 19:56 |
| djszapi | but then they do not recognize it... | 19:56 |
| spenap | still, personally I find it different if I paid for the app or if it was free | 19:56 |
| djszapi | anyway, it is not about my application's fame.... | 19:56 |
| djszapi | do not get me wrong... | 19:57 |
| djszapi | it is about the liability of an otherwise cool idea: rating. | 19:57 |
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| djszapi | to be quite honest, I went for four and five stars applications in the past, if there were alternatives, but I do not follow that pattern anymore; simply because makes no sense with this system. | 19:57 |
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| gabriel9 | hi | 20:57 |
| gabriel9 | what's up? | 20:57 |
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| lpapp|toughbook | hey, anybody Finnish here could contact me in private for a language help ? Thanks! | 21:52 |
| lpapp|toughbook | damn device manager I am looking for on Windows7 :D | 21:53 |
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| phako | devmgmt.msc | 21:55 |
| lpapp|toughbook | phako: that is not my point really :) | 21:57 |
| lpapp|toughbook | I was able to find according to the icon, already | 21:57 |
| lpapp|toughbook | but tons of stuff I would need to check out | 21:57 |
| lpapp|toughbook | full of Finnish, and damn Windows 7 without the ultimate thingie cannot even change the system language | 21:57 |
| phako | ah well | 21:58 |
| phako | my finnish is rather rudimentary | 21:58 |
| lpapp|toughbook | Finnish is a weird language anyway xD | 22:00 |
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| phako | aren't you hungarian? | 22:03 |
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| lpapp|toughbook | IE is still a HUGE crap | 22:05 |
| lpapp|toughbook | Image type not allowed. -> on imagebin.org for png ? wth ? :D | 22:06 |
| lpapp|toughbook | I think it was not normal who thought "Finnish" is a cool language for international development purposes. :) | 22:07 |
| lpapp|toughbook | min.us does not work either with IE crap | 22:09 |
| lpapp|toughbook | is there any other image uploading site ? | 22:09 |
| lpapp|toughbook | which might work reliably ? | 22:09 |
| phako | picpaste.com | 22:10 |
| phako | http://666kb.com/ | 22:10 |
| phako | the latter might be german | 22:10 |
| lpapp|toughbook | does not work | 22:10 |
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| djszapi | phako: that german image paste site went haywire. Is there a way to regain the urls from the lately attached images ? | 23:08 |
| djszapi | phako: http://666kb.com/u.php -> I am unsure if I pasted this url wrongly to a bugreport. | 23:09 |
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