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| * DocScrutinizer is happy to finally see Nokia's aegis concept justified | 00:26 | |
| macmaN | how is it justified again? | 00:27 |
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| macmaN | did i miss something? | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | read backscroll | 00:27 |
| macmaN | how far back? how many hours? | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | last few dozen to 100 lines | 00:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Overclocking? | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly starting at [2012-05-08 20:13:47] <Sazpaimon_> so what's a good starting value for opptimizer | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: yup | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | It pretty much provides evidence why you can't do FOSS on embedded | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you're a hw manufacturer | 00:30 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | so all that talk about how aegis is shit and now you're backpedaling? | 00:33 |
| * DocScrutinizer waits for some 1337 geek coming up with an app calibarting indicator LED max current by probing via ALS. If LED gets darker despite incresing current (from 100 to 110mA) it's considered optimum OPP + 1 step | 00:33 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | besides, if i buy an asus board and an intel chip, and crank it up to 9 GHz and 1337 V | 00:34 |
| * Arkenoi lols | 00:34 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm not going to be blaming intel and asus if it bursts into flames | 00:34 |
| macmaN | i like 1337 V | 00:34 |
| macmaN | it just feels right | 00:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | itsnotabigtruck, sarcasm-> | 00:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | <- you | 00:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no, you're not blaming anybody - you simply send it in for repair on waranty | 00:34 |
| Arkenoi | btw, my n900 is rock stable being overclocked to 1150MHz for two years | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: how many hours did the CPU run @ OC during those 2 years? | 00:35 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | macmaN: lol, and GeneralAntilles: doesn't sound like it | 00:36 |
| Arkenoi | not much i guess but not that little given i browsed heavy web with flash | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it's been >5000h then you're a) a power user, and b) a lucky guy | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | since I guess @1150 the OMAP3430 will fail on 20+% of units after just 1000h | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: it's useless to add sarcasm tag for itsnotabigtruck, he refuses to get my non-sarcasm statements any right, so what he'd do with ยก ? | 00:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, dunno. It's clearly time for another drink, though. | 00:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | cheers! on Nokia & Aegis, which, if not for anything else, for sure will try to enforce policies on kernel due to OCing | 00:42 |
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| * Arkenoi is not going to OC n950, not very useful | 00:47 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | if they had a brain at Nokia, they'd have implemented a simple seal made of solder that you could cut to enable R&D mode | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | clear cut (pun intended), no more aegis restrictions, no more waranty | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | and all the noobs would think twice before frying their CPU by OCing | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | because it would involve a hw-mod then | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | nicely embedded in signature-protected xloader/NOLO the device could've simply refused to load unsigned kernels unless the seal got broken | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | no hacker would've bothered to find aegis loopholes anymore | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | and Nokia could immediately refuse any warranty on devices with broken seal | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | everybody happy | 01:07 |
| CreamyG31337 | maybe, but the loopholes would still exist somewhere, it's kinda good to show nokia what they missed too | 01:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the loopholes would still be there, and if there are any bad guys, they'd be the ones taking advantage of them | 01:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nokia *should have* implemented a fully baked security system, and quit trying to lock the user out of their phone, but, well, it's a bit late for that | 01:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and your incessant complaining has done absolutely nothing for anyone | 01:17 |
| Sazpaimon_ | [17:58] <DocScrutinizer> if they had a brain at Nokia, they'd have implemented a simple seal made of solder that you could cut to enable R&D mode | 01:22 |
| Sazpaimon_ | not even that, they could just have a literal switch under a "warranty void if removed" sticker | 01:22 |
| CreamyG31337 | Nothing a heat gun or label remover can't bypass. | 01:23 |
| Sazpaimon_ | ive tried to get those stickers off cleanly | 01:25 |
| Sazpaimon_ | theyre hard | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | itsnotabigtruck: a real joy to see how well you know about anyone | 01:25 |
| Sazpaimon_ | or they could go the microsoft route and just blow an efuse when you enable open mode/R&D mode | 01:26 |
| CreamyG31337 | knife + heatgun works good on the xbox ones ;) | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | if I was in the mood, I'd start another debate that prolly ended with you getting kicked, but MEH! | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | got better things to do with my lifetime | 01:27 |
| Sazpaimon_ | omap3 boards have efuses right? | 01:27 |
| CreamyG31337 | yeah there's some efuse already to keep track of the suggested voltage for the batch i think, saw it in the smartreflex docs somewhere | 01:27 |
| Sazpaimon_ | so there you go | 01:27 |
| Sazpaimon_ | open mode efuse | 01:27 |
| CreamyG31337 | yeah, that could work if no malicious app blows it for you :P | 01:28 |
| Sazpaimon_ | that would be silly to allow access to that at the app level | 01:29 |
| CreamyG31337 | well, no sillier than the other mistakes that allow access to things that they didn't mean to | 01:31 |
| Sazpaimon_ | well, the assumption here was that "if they had a brain at Nokia" | 01:31 |
| CreamyG31337 | i just don't think it's possible to write a secure os in their time frame | 01:32 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | i think it would have been possible to write a secure OS if they didn't use the ridiculous model that aegis relies on | 01:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | secure systems rarely increase privilege and often decrease privilege | 01:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | aegis does the opposite | 01:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's why a standard linux system is fairly secure unless one of your daemons gets owned or the user does something stupid | 01:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because increase of privilege only happens at a small number of controlled points | 01:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | aegis encourages people who aren't security aware to make practically everything on the system the equivalent of SUID root | 01:36 |
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| npm | itsnotabigtruck: what to you think of #tizen using SMACK ?? | 02:40 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | npm: meh, i don't know enough about smack or tizen | 02:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | at least smack can control access to the filesystem | 02:43 |
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| npm | See http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-security-discussion/2011-January/000019.html :-) | 02:45 |
| Sput | wait, Meego uses SMACK? or is that just the Intel version? or are Aegis and SMACK related somehow? | 02:50 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | sput: meego was going to use smack | 02:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which was going to be called MSSFv2 | 02:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that never happened but apparently it got moved over to tizen | 02:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | aegis doesn't have anything to do with smack | 02:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and it was being called MSSFv1 by the meego people but i guess at some point nokia went back to aegis when the intel/nokia combined project started going south | 02:58 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | so it was AEGIS, and then MSSFv1, and then Aegis, and at some point it was going to be replaced with MSSFv2 which is SMACK, but it didn't | 02:58 |
| Sput | itsnotabigtruck: ah, interesting... so that mail npm linked is post-Nokia and somewhat pre-Tizen | 02:59 |
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| tehdely | speaking of which | 02:59 |
| Sput | oh, 2011 | 02:59 |
| tehdely | the first tizen conference was in SF this weekend | 02:59 |
| Sput | it still is | 02:59 |
| tehdely | i was almost curious enough to attend | 02:59 |
| tehdely | then i got invited to the mountains to ski | 02:59 |
| tehdely | i went to the mountains and skied | 02:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | sput: i think that post is from when they were working on MSSFv2 before they backtracked on it | 02:59 |
| Sput | itsnotabigtruck: yeah, I just realized that it's 2012 already :) | 03:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and it's sort of post-nokia but it wasn't official yet then | 03:00 |
| tehdely | oh wait, the conference is going on this week | 03:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so it's from when nokia was supposedly working on meego but wasn't :p | 03:00 |
| tehdely | i thought it was this weekend | 03:00 |
| tehdely | i should crash it | 03:00 |
| Sput | tehdely: livestream going on right now | 03:00 |
| tehdely | hyatt regency is not far! | 03:00 |
| Arkenoi | damn. why not abandon that shit and use SELinux | 03:01 |
| tehdely | hmm | 03:01 |
| tehdely | there is a 5k "fun run" | 03:01 |
| tehdely | i should show up and get the t-shirt | 03:01 |
| Sput | itsnotabigtruck: I think Nokia was working on meego (or harmattan at least) until very recently | 03:01 |
| tehdely | that will be a collector's item in future years | 03:01 |
| tehdely | "I was there at the Tizen conference... that changed EVERYTHING" | 03:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sput: that's the thing, at some point they forked | 03:01 |
| tehdely | well, there's the whole Meltemi thing | 03:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, actually, i'm not sure what happened since i wasn't in on it | 03:01 |
| * Sput does wonder what Intel provided to the partnership... at least the pure Intel-Meego tablet I've seen a few months ago was quite unusable | 03:01 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | i think it's more like nokia worked on meego for a while | 03:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it became obvious it wasn't going to play out | 03:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then grabbed a few parts of meego, put them on top of maemo6, and put a new ui on top of that | 03:02 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | and aegis was what was slated for maemo6 all along (the old powerpoints say maemo6) | 03:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | whereas mssfv2 and smack were going to be the future(tm) | 03:03 |
| Arkenoi | Intel's "contribution" was that Nokia lost more than year settling the things down with integration and harmonization with Intel instead of releasing maemo6 device early | 03:03 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 03:03 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, it was obviously a terrible move from the start | 03:03 |
| Sput | Arkenoi: that's about how I understood it from the outside | 03:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the two OSs were intended for totally different products that have essentially nothing in common | 03:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | from hardware to intended purpose | 03:04 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | to foundations | 03:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and somehow they were supposed to magically smush them together into meego | 03:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | clearly it didn't work out | 03:04 |
| Sput | the N9 could've been released in 2010 or even 2009 if Nokia had stuck with Maemo... | 03:04 |
| tehdely | i wonder whether it would have changed much | 03:04 |
| tehdely | if they had released it then | 03:04 |
| SpeedEvil | 2009 I doubt | 03:04 |
| Sput | and saved the company in the process | 03:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, the UI probably would have been totally different | 03:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | N900 was released in 2009. . . . | 03:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i think the fancy UI is a relatively recent development | 03:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the early N9 pictures showed meego, as in actual meego, not harmattan | 03:05 |
| Sput | how did you recognize it's meego? | 03:05 |
| Arkenoi | and that fancy UI goes nowhere, because it is dead end and not opensource | 03:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because it looked like the meego handset ux | 03:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not harmattan and its swipe stuff | 03:05 |
| Sput | I don't think I've ever seen a pure Meego UI, except for that sorry thing Intel presented last summer | 03:06 |
| Arkenoi | development directly for trash can | 03:06 |
| Sput | Arkenoi: who knows how the Next Billion is gonna look like... | 03:06 |
| Sput | considering that Nokia put a lot of effort into designing and promoting Swipe when the N9 was already declared dead | 03:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Sput: It's gonna have a fruit on it. | 03:07 |
| Sput | SpeedEvil: a banana? | 03:07 |
| Arkenoi | well, i talked to a Nokia guy who told me "i do not understand why all meego developers are that upset, nothing is lost, it will be contribution for future systems" | 03:07 |
| npm | re "itsnotabigtruck: that mail npm linked" ... yes I wrote that mail and it was back when MeeGo was exciting and promising enough that I wanted to understand its security arch... pre Elopcalypse... | 03:08 |
| npm | ^^^ sput | 03:08 |
| * npm slow | 03:08 | |
| Sput | npm: ah, that was your mail :) | 03:08 |
| mankeli | hey itsnotabigtruck, did you btw fix those fuse package permissions so that fusermount is accesible without devel-su? | 03:08 |
| Arkenoi | I responded: imagine you spent years building a spacecraft and then it gets cancelled, but "your development is contribution for biplanes we are going to use on local airlines" | 03:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 03:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and mankeli: nah, never finished it | 03:09 |
| Sput | Arkenoi: the good thing about investing time and effort into a Qt-based platform is that Qt will always live on :P | 03:09 |
| Arkenoi | don't know if there will be place for qt in that mysterious "next billion" | 03:10 |
| Sput | Arkenoi: the Next Billion will be Qt-based, Nokia has announced that much last summer... | 03:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://blogs.msdn.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/communityserver-blogs-components-weblogfiles/00-00-01-29-92/7367.Visual-Studio-11-RC-Full.png | 03:10 |
| npm | yeah. I've always seen Linux as a giant necropolis of failed plans and misplaced hopes... that you can still live in. | 03:10 |
| beford | billion of what | 03:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's what the new ms vs looks like, apparently | 03:10 |
| Sput | Arkenoi: http://blog.qt.nokia.com/2011/06/21/qt%E2%80%99s-future-for-nokia-bringing-apps-to-the-next-billion/ | 03:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | is it just me or does that look kinda retro | 03:11 |
| tehdely | the next billion will run on GNU/HURD | 03:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it looks like office xp | 03:11 |
| tehdely | you heard it here first | 03:11 |
| npm | it's like i even see some of the zombies i used to use back when i did SGI Irix | 03:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | like, from 2001 or 2002 or whenever it was | 03:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | with the flat look | 03:11 |
| Arkenoi | and Elop will certainly make some actions to prevent "next billion" devices from being too decent to compete with "first billion" ones, so they will be intentionally crippled down | 03:11 |
| beford | office xp look yea | 03:11 |
| Sput | Arkenoi: also you should consider how many people Nokia still pays for developing Qt | 03:11 |
| mankeli | itsnotabigtruck: damn :) is it a big job? | 03:12 |
| Sput | (also, Qt is a free project now, so even if all else fails, it'll be used and evolved in the FOSS world) | 03:12 |
| npm | indeed, how long before generic handsets appear on which some linux handset distro will run... | 03:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: mostly just a lot of annoying build/copy/install/test stuff that i don't want to do that much | 03:14 |
| npm | and given the back-door the US govt is forcing into handsets for ez-spying you may want to use such handsets http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57428067-83/fbi-we-need-wiretap-ready-web-sites-now/ http://forums.hexus.net/software/232969-microsoft-slip-backdoor-into-skype.html | 03:18 |
| mankeli | itsnotabigtruck: well hmm. since it already works without opensh, would it now be enough to just set the sticky bit? | 03:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: i mentioned before, the sticky bit doesn't do anything with aegis | 03:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and also, it has to do some uid twiddling so that you can't simply mount anywhere, but any user can mount in their own directories | 03:20 |
| mankeli | ok ok. i'm just trying to understand the problem so i could do it myself | 03:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | normally, on debian anyway, there's a fuse grouo | 03:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and it owns the fuse files | 03:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and you're supposed to be in the fuse group to fusermount stuff | 03:21 |
| mankeli | yeah | 03:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but on harmattan there's no fuse group and the files are owned by root | 03:21 |
| Sput | in any case, before migrating to HTML5 or using once of the arcane C APIs (gtk, EFL) I'll rather stick with Qt | 03:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and that screws everything up | 03:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because fusermount is built assuming that the user has access to the fuse files | 03:21 |
| Sput | *one | 03:21 |
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| Arkenoi | btw i was trying to sponsor pushing zRTP into Maemo | 03:23 |
| Arkenoi | *fail* | 03:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Arkenoi: what do you mean? | 03:23 |
| mankeli | itsnotabigtruck: and that basicly means /etc/mtab? | 03:23 |
| Arkenoi | we had just enough money (as estimated) for a few individual developers but certainly too little to hire a software development company | 03:24 |
| Arkenoi | but we could not find anyone who was able to complete the task | 03:24 |
| Arkenoi | seems that almost no one was interested in getting paid for that | 03:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: no, /dev/something | 03:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Arkenoi: who were you working for | 03:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, doing ZRTP right requires huge changes to telepathy and farsight | 03:25 |
| Arkenoi | itsnotabigtruck, "a group of interested individuals", let's name it that | 03:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because the telepathy people seem not to be able to care less about security | 03:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it also requires modifying the closed source call-ui for ZRTP GUI stuff | 03:26 |
| Arkenoi | yes, that's it | 03:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | doing ZRTP in a not-so-integrated fashion could be done | 03:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but making it nice, not possible without some serious wheel-reinventing or nokia cooperation | 03:26 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | neither are likely | 03:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also the existing libraries for both SRTP encryption and ZRTP key management kinda suck | 03:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | meaning it would likely be necessary to rewrite a lot of that | 03:27 |
| Arkenoi | we know. we tried to find someone to do the job and we were willing to donate the result to the community | 03:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, first, the call-ui thing is probably an insurmountable barrier | 03:28 |
| Arkenoi | the sponsors themselves had just simple interest in creating crowd that makes them low-profile targets | 03:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | at least without some heavy duty hacking | 03:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and second, it doesn't sound like this was broadcasted very loudly, maybe you didn't find anybody interested because no one interested knew | 03:29 |
| Arkenoi | it would be ok if key management is done via separate UI | 03:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | a separate UI would be very ugly though | 03:30 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | ideally, you could make a SIP or XMPP call to someone through the contacts screen | 03:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then hit a "go secure" button and activate ZRTP | 03:30 |
| Arkenoi | i broadcated it on #maemo several times, on telepathy mailing list as well and i contacted privately every person who mentioned who is into things even distantly related | 03:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which would then show the SAS for confirmation | 03:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: :/ | 03:30 |
| Arkenoi | itsnotabigtruck, yes, it is exactly as we would like to see it | 03:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Arkenoi: but it couldn't be like that if it were controlled through a separate app | 03:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | unless maybe something could be made to float on top of call-ui | 03:32 |
| mankeli | itsnotabigtruck: okay, i'll have to look into it. i have to reboot my pc couple of times a day, so its quite annoying to always devel-su before being able to handle sshfs mounts. | 03:32 |
| mankeli | especially that sometimes you cannot unmount a sshfs when the connection is broken | 03:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | heh | 03:33 |
| mankeli | moshfs would be sweet ;) | 03:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 03:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, i don't think mosh is supposed to substitute for ssh for non-interactive stuff | 03:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | like file transfer | 03:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i mean, it *uses* ssh itself for non-interactive stuff | 03:34 |
| mankeli | yeah, of course not. and it wouldn't help anyway because if the pc is being rebooted, the server forgets its keys | 03:36 |
| mankeli | iirc nfs already is stateless and udp-based | 03:36 |
| Arkenoi | itsnotabigtruck, we were thinking about "secure mode" button which forces all voIP connections to try encryption and hard-fail if it is not available | 03:36 |
| Arkenoi | (and OTR for IM, too) | 03:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ugh, OTR | 03:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's OK but not great, but everyone uses it because it's literally the only practical choice | 03:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and that's only because the XMPP standards people keep dragging their feet on doing something better | 03:37 |
| Arkenoi | yes, that's why exactly OTR, not anything else | 03:37 |
| Arkenoi | requires severe gstreamer and telepathy hacking, though | 03:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, anyway, building this exact sort of thing has been rather interesting to me, but i never took action because it seemed like an insurmountable level of work | 03:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | maybe it isn't though | 03:38 |
| Arkenoi | and some UI to control key management | 03:38 |
| Arkenoi | have a look, maybe i still can find some sponsorship, though most people who were willing to invest already lost their interest now | 03:39 |
| Arkenoi | write me arkenoi@gmail.com if you have any estimations | 03:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: That'd be awesome | 03:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: OTP! | 03:41 |
| Arkenoi | ok, going to sleep now, you have my email.. | 03:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: ZRTP is transparent, means it could _always_ check if other end can also do ZRTP, and kick in if that's the case. No need for a "go secure" button really | 07:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | you just need a requester showing the fingerprint, so users can confirm there's no MITM attack | 07:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | for "known peers" there's not even a need for that | 07:22 |
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| Arie | tgalal: you get my email? | 08:18 |
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| beford | mm help. Package applauncherd-launcher is not configured yet. what is this? I'm trying to deploy something from QtCreator, it was working some minutes ago | 08:43 |
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| tgalal | Arie: Hey, u there? | 09:42 |
| beford | hi tgalal | 09:49 |
| nivw | where does fenix store the email messages? | 09:52 |
| tgalal | beford: hey, how's it going? | 09:53 |
| beford | not bad, you? | 09:53 |
| tgalal | good | 09:53 |
| nivw | I run lsof |grep -v proc |grep fenix and see no files while it is running | 09:54 |
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| denism | nivw: tracker? | 09:54 |
| tgalal | beford: any new bugs or notices about wazapp ? | 09:55 |
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| nivw | denism: I dont understand | 09:57 |
| nivw | what is tracker in this context? | 09:57 |
| beford | you probably already know, but smileys appear like chars with encoding issue, <someletter>+square | 09:57 |
| tgalal | ah yeah I know about that, smileys not supported yet | 09:58 |
| denism | nivw: I think email message might be stored at tracker db | 09:59 |
| denism | nivw: you can try to reset tracker db and check - is it so or not... (but in this case everything will be lost - like contacts etc) | 09:59 |
| nivw | o ok, is it sql like? how to remove all email messages from it? | 09:59 |
| beford | oh and I edited the qml file and added the Send message on the vkb | 10:00 |
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| beford | had to change the TextArea to TextField, could'nt figure out how to do it with a textarea :P | 10:00 |
| nivw | where to read on tracker db in meego? | 10:01 |
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| denism | nivw: sorry do not remember the link, you can try also take a look to Qt Messaging Framework (QMF) | 10:04 |
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| tgalal | beford: cool! can you send it to me ? | 10:05 |
| beford | sure | 10:06 |
| tgalal | thanks | 10:08 |
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| Maurice | @tgalal : is there any place for one more beta tester ? | 10:21 |
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| nivw | denism: I read the qmf database is sqlite, so I assume I can issue a sql command to remove all email messages | 10:28 |
| nivw | right? | 10:28 |
| tgalal | Maurice: currently no. I'll send you if more are needed, thanks | 10:29 |
| Maurice | ok thanks | 10:30 |
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| GentooXativa | morning :) | 10:35 |
| denism | nivw: sorry I have never worked before, most probably - yes, or at least it should be possible in some other way | 10:39 |
| denism | before with these components | 10:39 |
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| gabriel9|work | guys, what options you have under push notifications in your N9's | 12:42 |
| gabriel9|work | ? | 12:42 |
| gabriel9|work | i have only talk | 12:43 |
| * leinir checks... | 12:43 | |
| leinir | nokia pulse here | 12:44 |
| gabriel9|work | there should be Twitter, or i am wrong | 12:44 |
| leinir | yeah, i'm afraid that doesn't to push, only pull | 12:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | morning | 12:45 |
| gabriel9|work | morning | 12:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | sup | 12:45 |
| leinir | mronin' :) | 12:45 |
| gabriel9|work | it should work :/ | 12:46 |
| leinir | well... frals would be the person who is most likely to know precisely what's going on with that ;) | 12:48 |
| frals | twitter/fb is not push notifications | 12:55 |
| frals | they pull (fb according to feeds settings, twitter once per hour in PR1.2) | 12:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | frals: sup | 12:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | did you find new job? | 12:56 |
| frals | im setting up my own company atm | 12:56 |
| frals | or well, im still in nokia | 12:57 |
| frals | tomrrow is my last day | 12:57 |
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| djszapi | X-Fade: ping | 12:57 |
| djszapi | X-Fade does the apps4meego server use database solution in the background, and if yes, which one ? | 12:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | frals: own company == freelancer? | 12:59 |
| frals | yeah | 12:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | frals: i saw your twits of leaving Nokia a while ago ... | 12:59 |
| frals | yes, but one does not simply walk out of nokia ;) | 13:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | thought you moved already and left it | 13:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | frals: lol =) | 13:00 |
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| frals | ;) | 13:00 |
| tgalal | frals: which nokia u r at? | 13:02 |
| frals | theres more than one? ;) | 13:02 |
| frals | in HEL, MeeGo | 13:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | tgalal: our mystery pal =P | 13:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | frals: and don't you have any section in contract that forbid you to work with/for mobile companies for a while? | 13:04 |
| frals | no | 13:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | hahaha | 13:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | frals: i just in kinda wierd situation now | 13:04 |
| frals | im waaaaaaaay to low in the company hierarchy for that stuff | 13:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | frals: i worked as tech support for some very low company | 13:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | and now they sending mails that they would sue me if i would work in other VoIP company | 13:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | lol | 13:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | i worked there half year and they want me not to work other companies for 24 months | 13:06 |
| djszapi | well, you need to agree upon something with the company. | 13:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Read your original contract. Talk to an employment lawyer | 13:07 |
| djszapi | Something, that you accept. | 13:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Not if it's not in your contract, or you don't sign a new contract. | 13:07 |
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| ZogG_laptop | it is in contract | 13:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | but it's not quite legaly | 13:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | i just didn't pay attention to that as i wanted job and i knew it's not quite legaly | 13:09 |
| djszapi | contract is not a toy. | 13:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | the problem is that i found nice job in same area as developer while other company would teach me, and nice place. but prev. boss called new one and told him not to take me coz he would sue me and them | 13:10 |
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| djszapi | well, you need to learn the lesson. | 13:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: it is not a toy, but i worked enuf cheap works to know that there are not legal contracts | 13:10 |
| djszapi | there are not ? | 13:11 |
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| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: the funny thing that as i heard simuliar happened to one of guys working years before me and he won in court =) | 13:11 |
| djszapi | if you prefer spending your time with court, and lawyer fights, well go for it and win :) | 13:12 |
| djszapi | just be assured, you need to pay money either way unless you are a better lawyer than the company has. | 13:12 |
| tgalal | ZogG_laptop: mystery pal?:D | 13:12 |
| djszapi | or a professional does the assistance for free, etc. | 13:13 |
| matrixx | no company can own your knowledge :) | 13:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: they can't tell me not to work for 2 years, with any company working with Asterisk, as they just hurt my freedom of work for too long time, as well as most things they work with are opensource and GPLv2 and all tutorials are in internet =) | 13:13 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: if you signed a contract with those conditions, yes, they can. | 13:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: nope | 13:13 |
| djszapi | unless there is a higher-priority law overriding that. | 13:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: it's like if they add "if you late for 15 minutes we do not pay you for whole day" | 13:14 |
| djszapi | they do that in Hungary. | 13:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | they can add that to contract, right? it doesn't make it legal | 13:14 |
| djszapi | daily. | 13:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: yeah and in china they probably cut yur head off | 13:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | saw it doesn't make it legal | 13:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | that's the point | 13:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | as a student i needed job so i agreed, but it's still NOT legal | 13:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | and it's not about who is right or ot | 13:15 |
| djszapi | I think you were naughty then | 13:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | my new boss tried to talk to old one | 13:15 |
| djszapi | not enlighting them, if it is not legal in your country. | 13:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | but he is acting like a dick | 13:15 |
| djszapi | both parties should have a clear picture before signing the agreement | 13:16 |
| djszapi | ideally. | 13:16 |
| djszapi | if I know something, I surely do tell them, if they will shot in the head in your country... | 13:16 |
| djszapi | be* | 13:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: it's company of about 10 people, when boss is not tech and do not care about anything except ego and money. | 13:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | i can't harm him | 13:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | in any way | 13:17 |
| djszapi | well, go for a legal court fight if that is your way :) | 13:17 |
| djszapi | what can we say | 13:17 |
| djszapi | I would personally avoid such situations. | 13:17 |
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| ZogG_laptop | all company secrets i know are in innternets anyway as they use opensource | 13:18 |
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| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: he just fu# job i found and now i have no job, i bet i would go to court | 13:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | i talked to few layers and law on my side here | 13:18 |
| djszapi | that does not mean peace is also on your side... | 13:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | tgalal: yes, i think it's not relevant already, but did you see my answer about red icon in accounts? | 13:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | frals: btw i have question about plugins, if i make plugin for account when i deploy it to n9 to plugins dir it's not executable ... | 13:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | how can i manage it to be executable | 13:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | like you did with twitter | 13:21 |
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| ZogG_laptop | =\ | 13:23 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: dpkg -L is your friend | 13:23 |
| djszapi | for the given package. | 13:23 |
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| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: ? | 13:27 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: dpkg -L will list you the files of a certain package installed | 13:28 |
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| djszapi | if you have the deb only, you can also use dpkg -c | 13:28 |
| djszapi | so you will see what files those install. | 13:28 |
| djszapi | basically you can even do this with any builtin plugin. | 13:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: i build the package and i can't deploy to users plugin not executable and i need to chmod +x as root after install | 13:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | i can't give it to users like that | 13:28 |
| djszapi | I had to do the same | 13:28 |
| djszapi | last year | 13:28 |
| djszapi | but I do not see the problem | 13:28 |
| djszapi | post inst script can do chmod +x | 13:29 |
| djszapi | What is the problem ? | 13:29 |
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| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: the problem is if i want to send package to users i don't them to do it mnually | 13:30 |
| djszapi | why would you do manually ? | 13:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | because file is not executble | 13:31 |
| djszapi | so why not use a postinst script like I mentioned couple of minutes ago ? | 13:32 |
| tgalal | ZogG_laptop: yes that was exactly it, thanks a lot! | 13:32 |
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| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: ok, i'll check it, and i'll bug you later if i'll have problems | 13:39 |
| djszapi | right, you should not since I have done the same in kanagram and khangman as well. It does not even require further aegis manifest file. | 13:42 |
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| Elleo | is there some way of convincing pkgmgr in the emulator that it has a network connection? | 18:19 |
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| Elleo | (the qemu based emulator this is) | 18:19 |
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| lpapp|toughbook | merlin1991: piiiiing! | 19:32 |
| lpapp|toughbook | =] | 19:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Elleo: hmm | 19:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | do you actually need to use pkgmgr | 19:33 |
| Elleo | itsnotabigtruck: I'm trying to replicate Nokia QA's apparent problem installing my application | 19:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Elleo: hmm...can't you test it on your phone then | 19:34 |
| Elleo | itsnotabigtruck: it works fine there | 19:34 |
| Elleo | and it works fine for about 40 other people | 19:34 |
| Elleo | as far as I can tell its probably because they're using a clean image and haven't let it update (so the python packages aren't listed as available in the repositories) | 19:35 |
| Elleo | if I do an apt-get update manually on it then try installing it it doesn't complain | 19:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Elleo: are you sure you didn't just miss a dependency | 19:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | try reflashing, then installing your app first thing | 19:35 |
| Elleo | but I can't work out what procedure they *should* be following prior to trying to install | 19:35 |
| Elleo | itsnotabigtruck: I'd rather do it on the emulator, to avoid having to reflash | 19:36 |
| Elleo | plus their message says it doesn't even install | 19:36 |
| Elleo | which it doesn't if you have an absolutely clean image | 19:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ok, it's just that it's not very uncommon for python app devs to screw up their dependencies | 19:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and assume that everyone's phone has the same already-installed packages theirs does | 19:37 |
| Elleo | because it can't resolve *any* python-pyside packages until after you've update the repositories it seems | 19:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and there's a lot of them | 19:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's pretty weird | 19:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | sounds like the usual nokia qa being totally dodgy stuff | 19:37 |
| Elleo | plus the previous version of my app made it through QA without any issues | 19:37 |
| Elleo | there have only been some pretty minor changes (none requiring extra dependencies) | 19:37 |
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| Elleo | but I want to be certain there isn't something I'm missing before resubmitting it | 19:38 |
| Elleo | which is why I'm trying to do stuff against a clean image in the emulator | 19:38 |
| Elleo | it'd be nice if the QA response wasn't simply "The installation fails." with zero details | 19:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 19:44 |
| Elleo | oh well, I'll just resubmit it and hope that was the issue they were having, along with a note explaining that they need to update the package list prior to installing | 19:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mention that it can be done with | 19:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | settings > applications > manage applications > updates tab > hit the refresh button | 19:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though i'm a bit skeptical, i'd have imagined this would have affected other python based apps | 19:46 |
| Elleo | well this is just my experience from testing with a clean image in the emulator | 19:46 |
| Elleo | "apt-cache search python-pyside" shows no packages with a fresh install, and the installer claims that dependencies can't be resolved | 19:47 |
| Elleo | after doing "apt-get update" it doesn't have that problem | 19:47 |
| Elleo | I'd have thought doing something like that would be part of the normal procedure prior to testing an app | 19:48 |
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| Elleo | and whoever did QA on my app last time didn't have any problems | 19:50 |
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| beford | anyone happens to know when ovi payments are issued? | 20:15 |
| lpapp|toughbook | by PR 1.4 :) | 20:16 |
| beford | :C | 20:16 |
| beford | :P | 20:16 |
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| ieatlint | haha, tizen devices... there's something kinda hilarious about having a tizen branded phone running efl in my hand | 20:29 |
| lpapp|toughbook | anybody having wacom touchscreen stuffy ? | 20:30 |
| jonni | beford: depends what you mean by payments :) | 20:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ieatlint, how's it feel? | 20:49 |
| MohammadAG | plasticky I'd say, given that it's made by Samsung | 20:50 |
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| ieatlint | it feels like a toy | 20:51 |
| ieatlint | it's a dev reference device, not production quality by far | 20:52 |
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| ieatlint | haven't gotten on console yet, but i'm told it's 1.2ghz dual core arm (not clear what chip), 1gb of ram | 20:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and Tizen? | 20:55 |
| ieatlint | yes, tizen.... i'm unclear if it has a cellular modem on it. there's a dialer app, and a couple references to the sim (including one screen that notes no sim is present) | 20:55 |
| ieatlint | and there is a sim card holder under the battery, but i don't have a minisim anymore to try it | 20:55 |
| ieatlint | but the software isn't horrible... kinda feature phone-esque | 20:57 |
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| virtuald | can't you just cut a regular sim to size (not a too old one) | 20:59 |
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| ieatlint | ~. | 21:06 |
| infobot | methinks ~. is not the escape sequence you're looking for. | 21:06 |
| ieatlint | it was, a minute ago :) | 21:06 |
| ieatlint | virtuald: minisim is a 'regular' sim card | 21:07 |
| ieatlint | my sim card is micro | 21:07 |
| ieatlint | besides, i wouldn't cut a sim card to try out a dev device for 5min :P | 21:07 |
| virtuald | ah | 21:07 |
| virtuald | i have some prepaid sims but never enough | 21:08 |
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| MohammadAG | spent half an hour trying to fix a compilation error | 21:27 |
| MohammadAG | realized it's because I forgot the namespace of the class, method instead of Class::method() when implementing it :/ | 21:27 |
| MohammadAG | I blame obj-c | 21:27 |
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| MohammadAG | also how do I freaking suppress QNetworkReplyImpl::_q_startOperation was called more than once from output | 21:59 |
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| gabriel9 | frals: ping! | 22:38 |
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| djszapi | ieatlint: so how is the tizen thingie ? | 23:10 |
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