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| MohammadAG | <itsnotabigtruck> [16:38:21] the 1.2beta was a one time deal i think because of the breaking changesin 1.2 | 00:22 |
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| MohammadAG | do remember we always got betas of PRs | 00:22 |
| MohammadAG | ooh, Ubuntu has Qt 4.8 | 00:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | MohammadAG: i thought it went beta2, beta3, pr1.1, pr1.2beta | 00:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and pr1.1 for n950 came out a ways after the n9 version, not before | 00:23 |
| MohammadAG | beta3? | 00:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah | 00:25 |
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| Piru | sigh | 01:18 |
| Piru | "tag-type specific access as described above is not supported on MeeGo Harmattan." | 01:18 |
| Piru | you gotta be kidding me | 01:18 |
| Piru | kind of makes the nfc useless | 01:18 |
| Venemo | Weird. | 01:19 |
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| Piru | can't do all kind of funky nfc hacking on n9 ... blah | 01:21 |
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| Piru | would be perfect device for such stuff | 01:22 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Piru: what are you trying to do? | 01:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | afaik they provided more nfc related header files relatively recently | 01:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the solution is likely to ditch qt mobility | 01:35 |
| * Arkenoi lols: googling for "portable 3g wifi router" gives this thing: http://entreewireless.com/ -- well, it is "portable" | 01:36 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: well, >> Operates on battery for up to 8 hours...<< | 01:46 |
| Arkenoi | compared to 4 regular phone will provide? | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | <http://entreewireless.com/WhitePaperspdf/KR1 disaster response.pdf> awesome pictures on p.4 | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-P | 01:50 |
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| faenil | guys what's the suggested way to display a qdeclarativecomponent? just setParentItem? | 02:43 |
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| Creteil | hi all | 02:51 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | hey Creteil | 02:51 |
| Creteil | someone know have an idea why I can't dpkg -i a_package.deb ? aegis aborting dpkg -- all listed package files rejected | 02:51 |
| Creteil | Damn I don't know what game Nokia playing with this device ... :-( | 02:52 |
| Creteil | or someone have a solution to install lftp on the device ? | 02:54 |
| Creteil | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 02:55 |
| Creteil | lftp: Depends: libgcrypt11 (>= 1.4.2) but 1.2.0-11.1osso5+0m6 is to be installed | 02:55 |
| Creteil | Depends: libgnutls26 (>= 2.4.0-0) but it is not going to be installed | 02:55 |
| Creteil | E: Broken packages | 02:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Creteil: that's pretty clear | 02:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | your package requires versions of other packages that aren't on the N9 | 02:56 |
| Creteil | itsnotabigtruck, I know the problem | 02:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | where'd you get the deb? | 02:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you shouldn't just grab debs directly from debian | 02:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | they should normally be rebuilt against the N9's environment | 02:56 |
| Creteil | itsnotabigtruck, I just added /etc/apt/sources.list.d/home-rzr-harmattan.list and do an apt-get update | 02:57 |
| Creteil | what is not clear to me is where is the equivalent of extra's N900 repository for N9 ? | 02:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it doesn't sound like you were installing that through apt, since you just said you did dpkg -i | 02:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that said rzr's repo is full of packages with borked dependencies | 02:58 |
| Creteil | itsnotabigtruck, what repository I can add to install lftp ? is there one ? | 02:58 |
| Creteil | I have build many packages by myself for the N900 community, but trying to switch to the N9 scratchbox always f**k my N900 scratchbox environment ... | 03:00 |
| beford | hi | 03:00 |
| Creteil | I'm really tired to have to fight for everything on N9 | 03:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Creteil: FFS, would you quit getting all angry about little stuff like this | 03:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it looks like LFTP is in rzr's repo but the dependencies are broken | 03:01 |
| Creteil | itsnotabigtruck, If I was able to update my scratchbox to support N9 building of packages without breaking in the same time my actual scratchbox supporting N900 building, I was not here asking help ... | 03:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | looks like LFTP requires GnuTLS and GnuTLS requies a much newer libgcrypt then what harmattan shipped with | 03:04 |
| Creteil | itsnotabigtruck, I know that :-) | 03:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and you should be able to install harmattan targets in parallel to your fremantle targets | 03:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, the dpkg message makes that pretty obvious :p but it looks like gnutls has required a newer libgcrypt for a long time | 03:05 |
| Creteil | itsnotabigtruck, I have not achieved the harmattan target installation in parallel of my fremantle ... | 03:06 |
| Creteil | itsnotabigtruck, it always break my fremantle target installation ... | 03:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | apparently lftp can be built with openssl | 03:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | doing that might eliminate the problem | 03:06 |
| Creteil | tsss | 03:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | uggggggggggggggggh, i hate autotools | 03:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ok, autoconf finished with its stupidity | 03:18 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Creteil: hold on | 03:29 |
| Creteil | itsnotabigtruck, ??? | 03:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=lftp&project=home%3Aitsnotabigtruck&repository=Harmattan | 03:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | wait for this, grab the deb, and see if it works | 03:29 |
| Creteil | itsnotabigtruck, K | 03:30 |
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| faenil | itsnotabigtruck, ever used qdeclarativecomponent? | 03:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | faenil: nope | 03:35 |
| faenil | damn xD | 03:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i've done next to no harmattan gui stuff | 03:35 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Creteil: any moment now... | 03:44 |
| Creteil | itsnotabigtruck, ??? | 03:44 |
| Arie | itsnotabigtruck: he can hack aegis, but he can't write a gui, lol | 03:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 03:45 |
| Creteil | :-) | 03:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | eh, i would if i wanted to, but writing yet another GUI app is kinda boring | 03:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | everybody does that | 03:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i don't get why the N9 didn't just ship with openssl 1.0.0, period | 03:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | instead it's got openssl 0.9.8 installed normally, and openssl 1.0.0 installed off to the side | 03:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in a way that no application will find unless it's modified specifically for harmattan | 03:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and the nokia stuff generally uses the old version | 03:48 |
| Arie | itsnotabigtruck: i fried my n9 today | 03:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Arie: so i heard... | 03:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | per the other channel, did you try holding the power button longer | 03:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | unless you kicked up your voltage to the stratosphere i find it highly unlikely that you actually fried it | 03:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and i thought you were running a rather conservative oc | 03:53 |
| Arie | yup, i tried everything, officially dead | 03:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm still skeptical...there's gotta be some way you can revive it | 03:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also @everyone more of you guys should get in #INCEPTION | 03:55 |
| Arie | tried flashing, nothing | 03:56 |
| Arie | tried turning on nothing | 03:56 |
| Arie | tried to do anything, it gave up | 03:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Creteil: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/binary?arch=armv7el&filename=lftp_4.3.6-1maemo1_armel.deb&package=lftp&project=home%3Aitsnotabigtruck&repository=Harmattan | 03:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it finished | 03:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | check if it works, because i haven't | 03:59 |
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| Creteil | itsnotabigtruck, working fine ... | 04:03 |
| tgalal | wazaaaaaaaaaapp | 04:03 |
| tgalal | lol | 04:03 |
| Creteil | :-) | 04:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Creteil: ok, try and put it through its paces | 04:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | especially with SSL connections | 04:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | tgalal: how's it going? | 04:04 |
| Arie | tgalal: i have some bugs to report | 04:05 |
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| tgalal | Arie: send them through by email please | 04:06 |
| Arie | ok | 04:06 |
| tgalal | itsnotabigtruck: lots of bugs as u see lol | 04:06 |
| Arie | tgalal: did you fix the libcontacts problem? | 04:06 |
| Arie | tgalal: also wazapp to wazapp works really well | 04:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | crap, now he quits, without so much as a thanks or something | 04:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ugh | 04:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'll just assume it works and submit it to rzr since it's better than what's available now in any case | 04:07 |
| tgalal | Arie: not yet, i will work on it tomorrow | 04:07 |
| Arie | itsnotabigtruck: what did you fix for him? | 04:07 |
| tgalal | And really thanks for testing btw | 04:08 |
| Arie | tgalal: no problems, just keep sending me your new versions, also did you see the post up on evN9? | 04:08 |
| Arie | I'm giving your project a ton of credibility | 04:08 |
| tgalal | yeah thanks alot :) i actually responded to some comments their as well | 04:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Arie: the existing lftp package depended on unbuildable packages | 04:09 |
| tgalal | there* | 04:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | now it doesn't and installs without any problems | 04:10 |
| Arie | tgalal: I'm trying to minimize the bs you're given | 04:11 |
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| rantom | itsnotabigtruck: Yeah, kind of suspected that a bit too | 07:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rantom: i'm only interested in it myself because it'll require new INCEPTION counter-counter-measures | 07:20 |
| rantom | I'd like to know if they fixed the MMS-conversation bug and pictures in gallery bug | 07:21 |
| rantom | (In short: you receive a MMS from someon, reply to it and for some reason it's treated as a MMS-message with an image instead of a normal text message. Pictures in gallery: some of the received images are saved to Pictures-folder and, I think, _are_ shown in the Gallery but only in the so called "full view", not in the general view (the second icon from left). Re-saving images hasn't helped nor putting those images back with Nokia Link) | 07:23 |
| rantom | s/someon/someone/ | 07:23 |
| infobot | rantom meant: (In short: you receive a MMS from someone, reply to it and for some reason it's treated as a MMS-message with an image instead of a normal text message. Pictures in gallery: some of the received images are saved to Pictures-folder and, I think, _are_ show... | 07:23 |
| rantom | And the (infamous) bug where network connections suddenly stop working for Nokia-apps, e.g. Drive, Store, Web-browser, but it continues to work for e.g. Firefox | 07:25 |
| rantom | When that happened I was close to give up and buy a Lumia over my N9. Thankfully though I remembered that Lumia is not even close to N9 in features, as of yet, due to the limitations of Windows Phone | 07:27 |
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| CreamyG31337 | anyone know the possible bad harmattan bootreasons when something fails? I know 32wd_to, if same as maemo5 then could be sw_rst or "kernel crash" also but i'm just guessing on those | 07:48 |
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| denism | hi, does anybody have a scheme for N9 serial console jig? Is it available at a reference manual? | 09:17 |
| jonni | denism: I have few serial console jigs that goes into sim slot, but scheme doesnt help you much, since you only get data out of those pins, if you have installed R&D certificate to your device. | 09:19 |
| denism | yes but it is still interesting - is it available anywhere or not, if somebody will decide to try by himself :) | 09:22 |
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| MohammadAG | CreamyG31337: Grep for them in kernel sources | 10:18 |
| MohammadAG | Or strings /dev/mtd0ro | 10:18 |
| CreamyG31337 | i tried searching kernel sources but couldn't find them, thanks though. i'll look tomorrow. really late here now | 10:19 |
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| nivw | hi all | 10:30 |
| nivw | I still can't get email on my N9 | 10:30 |
| nivw | I tried to remove .accounts and .signon | 10:30 |
| nivw | can I report a bug? | 10:30 |
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| nivw | I am seeking to remove all fenix previus info , as it seems to cause this problem | 10:31 |
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| CityofLights2 | well, if anyone can help with email fenix I would appreciate it | 10:37 |
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| Siva | ~ovi store | 10:58 |
| Siva | Hi jonni.. do you have any idea if they have started publishing new apps/updates to the ovi store? | 11:00 |
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| jonni | Siva: well I got my new app released last friday, so yes they publish new ones... | 11:01 |
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| spenap | Siva: yes, finally, after almost 3 weeks, I got one of mine published as well | 11:02 |
| spenap | it's taking them quite some time to go back to track | 11:02 |
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| Siva | jonni: spenap: oh cool.. thanks now I can push for mine.. its been more than a month since I submitted.. | 11:03 |
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| trx | X-Fade are you here? | 11:49 |
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| X-Fade | trx: hi | 12:21 |
| trx | X-Fade hello | 12:21 |
| trx | could you please take a look at cOBS' MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan:Apps:Testing | 12:21 |
| trx | bossbot seems to be stuck or something | 12:22 |
| X-Fade | trx: Yeah, boss process is broken atm.. | 12:22 |
| trx | do you know when will it be operational? | 12:23 |
| X-Fade | When it is fixed ;) | 12:23 |
| trx | :) | 12:23 |
| X-Fade | I need help from lbt_away for it, but he is in SF atm. | 12:23 |
| trx | ok, thanks for the info | 12:24 |
| X-Fade | trx: But it will get fixed as soon as possible. A lot of things are blocked due to that issue. | 12:25 |
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| trx | good to know, i was under the impression that maybe no one noticed that its broken | 12:26 |
| X-Fade | hehe, no, well aware. | 12:27 |
| trx | X-Fade oh, one more thing | 12:27 |
| trx | package txpad is already there, v0.1.0 | 12:27 |
| trx | and i added 0.2.0 to my repo | 12:27 |
| trx | do i need to submit every time | 12:27 |
| trx | or will it be done automatically? | 12:28 |
| X-Fade | trx: Yes, you need to submit every time. | 12:28 |
| trx | ok, thanks X-Fade | 12:28 |
| Siva | Hey all.. Just completed an app based on http://www.google.com/transliterate! Now all that's left is come up with a cool name (just Transliterate seems a bit dull).. any suggestions guys? | 12:29 |
| X-Fade | Siva: txlit? :) | 12:30 |
| trx | txlit ftw :)) | 12:32 |
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| Siva | X-Fade: trx: TxLit.. noted! | 12:35 |
| Siva | trx: Goes well with TxPad huh? ;) | 12:35 |
| trx | yeah :) | 12:35 |
| Siva | Well I am trying to see if its possible to have a name that suggests transliteration seeing the name.. in case of TxPad you can see that its a pad to write stuff. TxLit doesn't quite say it for the ordinary user on first look. Anyways that would be my backup name! | 12:38 |
| trx | yeap | 12:38 |
| trx | well, only thing that comes to my mind atm is something like TransLit | 12:39 |
| Siva | same here :) probably I should have a crazy good app icon.. any UI wizards around? | 12:40 |
| trx | no idea about the icon, but here is a useful tool to create harmattan style icon when you have something : http://apps.javispedro.com/nit/hicg/ | 12:42 |
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| spenap | Siva: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Resources/Library/Design_and_UX/designing-for-nokia-platforms/designing-for-meego-12-harmattan/meego-launcher-icon-templates.html | 12:57 |
| spenap | you can get templates for gimp and inkscape | 12:58 |
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| spenap | if you have time, it's quite easy to do. javispedro's tool is nice, too, although is less flexible. | 12:58 |
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| Jaffa_ | Morning, all | 13:02 |
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| MohammadAG | Mornin Jaffa_ | 13:07 |
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| ZogG_laptop | lsup guys | 13:17 |
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| GentooXativa | hi | 13:19 |
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| ZogG_laptop | GentooXativa: viva la gentoo | 13:30 |
| GentooXativa | ^^ | 13:30 |
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| GentooXativa | for me one of the best linux distributions :P | 13:32 |
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| ZogG_laptop | agreed | 13:35 |
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| HtheB | hi | 13:52 |
| faenil | anyone who has ever used QDeclarativeComponent here? I can't make it show on screen, it only shows if I create it in main.cpp | 13:54 |
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| Siva | spenap: trx: thx guys.. will check them out. | 14:03 |
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| Venemo_N950 | hey | 14:05 |
| Venemo_N950 | I'm looking for someone with an N9 here | 14:05 |
| trx | faenil maybe you know this but, you need to set its parent to be scene's rootObject() | 14:05 |
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| trx | (or any object whose parent is rootObject()) | 14:05 |
| GentooXativa | Venemo_N950: what you need? | 14:05 |
| Venemo_N950 | GentooXativa, could you please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ folder? | 14:06 |
| GentooXativa | yep, gimme a minute to connect the phone | 14:07 |
| Venemo_N950 | thx | 14:07 |
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| GentooXativa | u want the file contents? or only the tree structure? | 14:08 |
| Venemo_N950 | the file contents :) | 14:08 |
| GentooXativa | kk | 14:08 |
| Venemo_N950 | I'd like to add the N9's repo to my N950 so that I can get the updated packages :) | 14:09 |
| GentooXativa | http://pastebin.com/ccbhszKS | 14:10 |
| GentooXativa | why you dont use meecatalog app for that? | 14:10 |
| GentooXativa | afk i go to eat, tell me if you need something more later when i come back D: | 14:11 |
| Venemo_N950 | haven't heard about meecatalog :) | 14:13 |
| Venemo_N950 | but this seems to work, thank you :) | 14:14 |
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| arcean | Venemo_N950: are you going to update 1.2beta to final PR1.2 ? :D | 14:16 |
| Venemo_N950 | arcean, yep, I guess you could say so :P | 14:16 |
| Venemo_N950 | I was expecting them to give us 1.3 beta or somthing like that by this time, but no. | 14:19 |
| spenap | do you think it will work? has anyone tried already? | 14:19 |
| Venemo_N950 | so I'll suffice with the final 1.2 packages | 14:19 |
| arcean | spenap: yep, my N950 is running PR 1.2 | 14:19 |
| Venemo_N950 | spenap, yep, some guys already did this | 14:19 |
| spenap | :-) | 14:19 |
| spenap | interesting | 14:19 |
| spenap | did you have to do something to avoid updating the kernel? | 14:20 |
| arcean | no, the kernel is the same for N9 & N950 | 14:20 |
| spenap | I had heard it wasn't, but maybe I'm wrong | 14:20 |
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| Venemo_N950 | well, the hw is basically the same, apart from some minor differences | 14:23 |
| arcean | Venemo_N950: after removing harm-metapackage and upgrading system, you will have to do something like http://pastie.org/3478334 | 14:23 |
| arcean | otherwise, apt autoremove will destroy your system :P | 14:23 |
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| Venemo_N950 | why would I autoremove? | 14:24 |
| arcean | I think the Store app would do that | 14:24 |
| Venemo_N950 | srsly? | 14:24 |
| arcean | yes :) | 14:24 |
| Venemo_N950 | what if I just install the n9 metapackage? | 14:25 |
| arcean | each package have to be manually installed | 14:25 |
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| arcean | n9 metapackage has different config files, so I dunno | 14:25 |
| arcean | *depend on different config files | 14:25 |
| Venemo_N950 | btw, what you pasted is just a huge apt-get install command | 14:26 |
| arcean | yes, but it will just mark each package as 'manually installed', so autoremove won't remove them | 14:27 |
| Venemo_N950 | aaah | 14:27 |
| Venemo_N950 | ok | 14:27 |
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| Venemo_N950 | arcean, can I somehow select all that in the Harmattan browser? | 14:36 |
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| Arkenoi | strange problem with inception and aegisctl | 14:42 |
| Arkenoi | cannot install it properly -- due to CAP::sys_module | 14:43 |
| Arkenoi | opensh works fine | 14:43 |
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| X-Fade | trx: Can you please resubmit your package? | 15:04 |
| trx | yes | 15:04 |
| trx | X-Fade done | 15:05 |
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| X-Fade | trx: ok, seems to be working. | 15:05 |
| trx | X-Fade great! thank you | 15:06 |
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| GentooXativa | back | 16:06 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Venemo_N950: every time something is installed through pkgmgrd it does an autoremove afterward | 16:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that includes installing a deb from the browser, the store, the pkgmgr command, etc. | 16:44 |
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| MrModR | so, I am trying to get scratchbox working on lubuntu over virtualbox on windows | 16:54 |
| MrModR | but I am getting an error | 16:55 |
| MrModR | qgtkstyle was unable to detect current gtk+style | 16:55 |
| MrModR | and its stuck there | 16:55 |
| MrModR | so help? | 16:55 |
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| Siva | any apps or commands out there to clear the clipboard? | 17:09 |
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| Arie | Anybody here had success setting up mfe for hotmail on an N950? | 17:27 |
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| Arie | jonni: can you see my above question? | 17:30 |
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| GentooXativa | Arie: i used extraplugins for that xD | 17:33 |
| Arie | GentooXativa: for mfe on an N950? | 17:33 |
| GentooXativa | not mfe | 17:34 |
| GentooXativa | http://store.ovi.com/content/249452 | 17:35 |
| Arie | GentooXativa: I can't seem to set up mfe on my n950 | 17:35 |
| GentooXativa | i try later when i go to home, i have there my 950 | 17:35 |
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| GentooXativa | but i used that plugin for hotmail accounts | 17:35 |
| Arie | GentooXativa: hmmm you mean msn chat? | 17:36 |
| GentooXativa | oh you are talking about mail xD | 17:36 |
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| Arie | GentooXativa: yeah | 17:38 |
| GentooXativa | Arie: http://goo.gl/206ly | 17:38 |
| Arie | GentooXativa: it's driving me up a wall | 17:38 |
| GentooXativa | check this post | 17:38 |
| Arie | GentooXativa: tried that, it keeps brining me back to the page asking for just username, password, and domain with the option to sign in, this is after manual set up when you click sign in | 17:40 |
| GentooXativa | i take a look later | 17:40 |
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| Arie | GentooXativa: thanks | 17:41 |
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| GentooXativa | i only have n900 and n9 here | 17:41 |
| Arie | GentooXativa: my N9 died yesterday so im using my n950 | 17:41 |
| GentooXativa | Arie: i readed it at logs | 17:42 |
| GentooXativa | but what happened? | 17:42 |
| Arie | GentooXativa: i was writing a message and it started a random reboot and didnt turn on no matter what I did | 17:43 |
| GentooXativa | lol | 17:44 |
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| djszapi | merlin1991: ping | 17:45 |
| merlin1991 | djszapi: pong | 17:45 |
| Arie | the N950's mfe system is odd compared to the N9's | 17:45 |
| djszapi | merlin1991: having python issues as usual :p | 17:46 |
| merlin1991 | hit me with the problem :D | 17:46 |
| djszapi | http://paste.kde.org/472484/ | 17:46 |
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| djszapi | merlin1991: you missed the problem =p | 18:11 |
| djszapi | At any rate, has anybody used the g_serial module in here ? | 18:12 |
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| merlin1991 | djszapi: sry :D | 18:13 |
| merlin1991 | did you fix it already? | 18:13 |
| djszapi | merlin1991: yep, by using dd :D | 18:13 |
| merlin1991 | ah well :D | 18:14 |
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| nivw | maybe some can help me now: how can I remove all the information fenix keeps? | 18:26 |
| nivw | I tried to remove .acounts and .signon files | 18:26 |
| nivw | then defined my email account again, it seems to "remember" the inbox content | 18:27 |
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| nivw | my work email is via google email , and so I defined two email accounts from google mail | 18:28 |
| nivw | they have seem to over lap | 18:28 |
| nivw | so now I am tring to remove all files, and start over | 18:28 |
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| MohammadAG | is there a way to have a class with two names? | 18:38 |
| MohammadAG | I had a class called FriendObject and a class called FacebookObject, FriendObject is now a direct subclass of FacebookObject and has nothing extra | 18:39 |
| djszapi | ofc | 18:39 |
| djszapi | namespace | 18:39 |
| MohammadAG | but it's used a lot | 18:39 |
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| djszapi | http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/08/tizen-developer-phone-appears-complete-with-4-3-inch-screen-and/ | 19:19 |
| Venemo_N950 | yeah, we saw | 19:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm getting really tired of my laptop failing to enter sleep mode | 19:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and tizen is looking more and more like a bad clone of webos | 19:23 |
| * djszapi is getting really tired of crashing ubuntu installers | 19:24 | |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1203574 /me facepalms | 19:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: i thought so too, but they have API apperantly | 19:34 |
| trx | wtf is whatsapp | 19:34 |
| trx | everyone is talking about it | 19:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | trx: it's a secret cult | 19:35 |
| GentooXativa | trx: a ice cream | 19:35 |
| djszapi | trx: a cute woman | 19:35 |
| trx | wow :) | 19:35 |
| trx | pretty "feature-full" app | 19:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: the API appears to be read-only and basically useless | 19:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | like most official web service APIs | 19:36 |
| djszapi | so go and give one star with a useless review comment :) | 19:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | when your business is some vertically integrated whatchamacallit that relies on people using *your* stuff | 19:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | they tend to be against offering full-bodied official API docs that can be used to build functional clients | 19:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: no uploading and all the stuff? =\ | 19:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: nope | 19:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | specifically no uploading | 19:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it appears to be mainly oriented toward companies displaying instagram stuff on their websites for marketing purposes | 19:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | *not* doing cool stuff | 19:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: wtf? | 19:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: why do they have API at all | 19:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: marketing, like i mentioned | 19:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | most web services pull this kind of BS...REST APIs with full functionality and reasonable usage limits are extraordinarily rare | 19:39 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | vs missing major functionality and requests limited to 2 per day for all users :p | 19:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: idiotism is the word | 19:40 |
| Sput | Tizen conf keynote live now: https://www.tizen.org/conference/tizen-developer-conference/live-stream | 19:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | Sput: soon they would be out of Names for new platforms | 19:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i just realized that moblin = mob lin = mobile linux | 19:42 |
| Sput | "just"? | 19:42 |
| Sput | nice one :) | 19:42 |
| Morpog | lol | 19:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | yamlin is better name | 19:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | yet another mobile linux =) | 19:45 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | so what's a good starting value for opptimizer | 21:13 |
| Sazpaimon_ | im currently trying 1250Mhz at 1337500 voltage | 21:14 |
| Sazpaimon_ | trying to keep te voltate low | 21:14 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | that clock speed may be too high for a test though | 21:14 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | looks like my limit is 1300mhz at 1.35v | 21:44 |
| Sazpaimon_ | im not sure if that voltage is low enough for a 300mhz overclock though | 21:44 |
| Sazpaimon_ | what's the default voltage 1.75? | 21:45 |
| Morpog | depends on your chip | 21:47 |
| Morpog | mine has 1,175V @ default clock. But even 1100Mhz runs fine with it. | 21:49 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | looks like my default voltage is 1225000 | 22:04 |
| Sazpaimon_ | not sure where that 1.375v came from | 22:06 |
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| CreamyG31337 | 1375 is the default max voltage | 22:07 |
| Sazpaimon_ | strange, when I started OppUI it was at 1.225 | 22:07 |
| Sazpaimon_ | is that because of smartreflex? | 22:08 |
| CreamyG31337 | yeah it calibrates the voltage with smartreflex to be as low as possible when you start the phone, every 24 hours, and when you change settings in opptimizer | 22:08 |
| Sazpaimon_ | ok | 22:08 |
| CreamyG31337 | it usually stays about the same but sometimes varies by 12500 | 22:09 |
| CreamyG31337 | no idea why yet | 22:09 |
| Sazpaimon_ | so setting the voltage to 1.375 or lower in oppui is the ideal scenario | 22:09 |
| CreamyG31337 | well Arie was using default voltage and only 1100 and his won't switch on again, so ideal is not overclocking :( | 22:10 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i think the problem is the N9 is so tight that overclocking is almost sure to be an issue | 22:11 |
| Sazpaimon_ | the compontents are very cramped in that shell | 22:11 |
| CreamyG31337 | i would actually i think the default max is safe, arie probably had a bad chip | 22:12 |
| CreamyG31337 | or its just frozen really bad and will work again if the battery dies completely | 22:12 |
| CreamyG31337 | yeah that's probably why they run most phones less than the rated speed | 22:13 |
| Sazpaimon_ | you should always try the absolute lowest stable voltage when overclocking anyway | 22:13 |
| Sazpaimon_ | overclocking at stock voltage will increase the potential for a brick | 22:13 |
| Sazpaimon_ | also, if his phone is frozen, holding the power button for 8 seconds will fix it | 22:14 |
| Sazpaimon_ | that functionality isn't part of the software, it's mechanical | 22:14 |
| Sazpaimon_ | so it will always work | 22:14 |
| CreamyG31337 | yeah but the stock voltage is already the lowest stable voltage at 1000mhz according to the way smartreflex works. it lowers the voltage until it detects fluctuations in a special part of the circuit | 22:15 |
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| CreamyG31337 | and yeah he tried holding power for a long time, its dead | 22:15 |
| CreamyG31337 | just hard to believe | 22:15 |
| Sazpaimon_ | ok so 1200Mhz at 1250000 froze up | 22:15 |
| Sazpaimon_ | 1150 @122500 seems okay | 22:17 |
| Sazpaimon_ | lowering that a little further froze it up | 22:18 |
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| CreamyG31337 | yeah it freezes when you lower it for no reason though, sometimes | 22:24 |
| CreamyG31337 | some bug i can't find | 22:24 |
| Sazpaimon_ | this is pretty consistent | 22:24 |
| CreamyG31337 | make sure you use 1.5.3 modules though, they are a bit more stable as far as i can tell | 22:25 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i just installed it today, so they should be the latest | 22:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just be careful what you do with your voltage | 22:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | higher is bad..der | 22:25 |
| Sazpaimon_ | yeah | 22:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | :p | 22:25 |
| Sazpaimon_ | as I said | 22:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | "overclocking at stock voltage will increase the potential for a brick" hm? | 22:25 |
| Sazpaimon_ | you want the voltage to be as low as possible to offset the additional heat that would be generted | 22:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if that's the case that might explain arie's situation, but how | 22:25 |
| Sazpaimon_ | itsnotabigtruck, because the stock voltage was designed for 1000mhz | 22:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | afaik higher clock with insufficiently high voltage just results in crashes | 22:26 |
| Sazpaimon_ | whenever you overclock you always want to undervolt along with it | 22:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon_: er, what? | 22:27 |
| Sazpaimon_ | unless of course the chip is deigned with the potential to overclock at stock voltage | 22:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you want the lowest voltage that the chip can tolerate at a given clock | 22:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you raise the clock and the chip can tolerate it at the same voltage | 22:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there shouldn't be a problem | 22:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | *undervolting* certainly isn't going to do anything good when *overclocking* | 22:27 |
| Sazpaimon_ | depends on your definition of "tolerate" | 22:27 |
| Sazpaimon_ | it could be a slow degrade | 22:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that'll only cause more problems | 22:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | due to insufficient voltage to manage the clocks | 22:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | since the default voltage is supposed to be just enough to support the default clock | 22:28 |
| CreamyG31337 | want to, maybe, but that isn't usually gonna work | 22:28 |
| CreamyG31337 | especially because the chip undervolts itself with smartreflex by defualt | 22:28 |
| CreamyG31337 | there should be a little headroom | 22:28 |
| CreamyG31337 | 50k uv i think? i get all the #s confused, the algo is complex | 22:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | by tolerate i mean that the chip runs without any logic failures | 22:28 |
| Sazpaimon_ | yeah, that's true, I didn't know that SR actually undervolts the chip as low as possible | 22:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you shouldn't get any significant 'slow degradation' from default or slightly increased voltages | 22:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but you do if you kick it way up (electromigration) | 22:29 |
| Sazpaimon_ | this is unlike the N900 which, afaik, keeps voltage at a static value | 22:29 |
| Sazpaimon_ | which may or may not be optimal | 22:29 |
| CreamyG31337 | yeah n900 had smartreflex too, we usually disabled it totally when overclocking thouhg | 22:29 |
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| CreamyG31337 | it might have been an older smartreflex version though, not sure how it worked | 22:30 |
| Sazpaimon_ | N900 had smartreflex, but it wasn't completely stable | 22:30 |
| CreamyG31337 | well we were doing it wrong, i suspect. | 22:30 |
| Sazpaimon_ | it simply did not work above a certain clock | 22:30 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i think it was 850Mhz | 22:30 |
| Sazpaimon_ | or 805 | 22:30 |
| Sazpaimon_ | something like that | 22:30 |
| Sazpaimon_ | CreamyG31337, question, when running tests, does the clock stay at the set value when the screen turns off? | 22:31 |
| CreamyG31337 | yeah, on the n9 it has a bunch of extra parameters to help it calibrate that are hard-coded for each supported voltage/freq combo | 22:31 |
| Sazpaimon_ | I dont think it does | 22:31 |
| CreamyG31337 | if i knew how to set those, great, but they're not documented anywhere | 22:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | CreamyG31337: wait, shouldn't opptimizer then allow the user to pick a preset | 22:31 |
| Sazpaimon_ | which kind of defeats the purpose of running tests if the clock speed goes back down when the tests are running | 22:31 |
| CreamyG31337 | yeah it will, 100% cpu should keep it at the highest speed even if the screen is off | 22:32 |
| CreamyG31337 | preset of what, itsnotabigtruck ? | 22:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | CreamyG31337: you could switch the cpufreq mode during the test anyway to be sure | 22:32 |
| Sazpaimon_ | really? all I had to go by was the BogoMIPS in cpuinfo | 22:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though, i think opptimizer forces the cpufreq mode (governor) already... | 22:32 |
| Sazpaimon_ | and when i read that when the screen was off during testing, it was at like, 900 | 22:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and presets of clock and cal values | 22:33 |
| CreamyG31337 | no, i don't touch the governor, but i'm sure you guys are wrong. no way it downclocks when the screen is off | 22:33 |
| MohammadAG | CreamyG31337, check PM | 22:33 |
| Sazpaimon_ | CreamyG31337, so why is the bogomips value so low | 22:33 |
| CreamyG31337 | wtf is bogomips | 22:34 |
| Sazpaimon_ | bogomips is, basically, an rough measurement of cpu speed | 22:34 |
| Sazpaimon_ | you can see it in /proc/cpuinfo | 22:34 |
| Sazpaimon_ | for example, when the screen is off, the bogomips value is "298.32" | 22:35 |
| Sazpaimon_ | when on, I see it at 996.74 or 796.19 depending on usage | 22:35 |
| Sazpaimon_ | when I start running tests on, say 1100Mhz | 22:36 |
| Sazpaimon_ | bogomips is 1105.49 | 22:37 |
| Sazpaimon_ | turn the screen off, and the value can occasionally drop | 22:37 |
| Sazpaimon_ | not all the time though | 22:38 |
| CreamyG31337 | so it's supposed to give the same # roughly even if the cpu is busy? | 22:39 |
| Sazpaimon_ | I believe so | 22:39 |
| Sazpaimon_ | I'll run some more tests and see | 22:39 |
| Sazpaimon_ | maybe I wont be able to reproduce it again | 22:39 |
| CreamyG31337 | well its worth looking at but can't guess why at this time | 22:40 |
| Sazpaimon_ | in case youre wondering about the name, "Bogo" means bogus and "mips" is millions of instructions per second | 22:40 |
| CreamyG31337 | the benchmark is run in a qt worker thread at normal priority, it should use all available cpu, but maybe the max clock is lower when the screen is off | 22:40 |
| Sazpaimon_ | meaning, you shouldnt rely on it as a real value of anything | 22:41 |
| CreamyG31337 | maybe some power saving thing i didn't know about | 22:41 |
| Sazpaimon_ | well i cant reproduce it | 22:41 |
| Sazpaimon_ | though, last time I did it i had the voltage set dangerously high | 22:42 |
| Sazpaimon_ | so that may have something to do with it | 22:42 |
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| CreamyG31337 | oh, likely, it definitely throttles the cpu speed down when it detects too high heat | 22:42 |
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