IRC log of #harmattan for Tuesday, 2012-05-08

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MohammadAG<itsnotabigtruck> [16:38:21] the 1.2beta was a one time deal i think because of the breaking changesin 1.200:22
MohammadAGdo remember we always got betas of PRs00:22
MohammadAGooh, Ubuntu has Qt 4.800:23
itsnotabigtruckMohammadAG: i thought it went beta2, beta3, pr1.1, pr1.2beta00:23
itsnotabigtruckand pr1.1 for n950 came out a ways after the n9 version, not before00:23
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Piru"tag-type specific access as described above is not supported on MeeGo Harmattan."01:18
Piruyou gotta be kidding me01:18
Pirukind of makes the nfc useless01:18
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Pirucan't do all kind of funky nfc hacking on n9 ... blah01:21
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Piruwould be perfect device for such stuff01:22
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itsnotabigtruckPiru: what are you trying to do?01:33
itsnotabigtruckafaik they provided more nfc related header files relatively recently01:35
itsnotabigtruckthe solution is likely to ditch qt mobility01:35
* Arkenoi lols: googling for "portable 3g wifi router" gives this thing: -- well, it is "portable"01:36
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DocScrutinizerArkenoi: well, >> Operates on battery for up to 8 hours...<<01:46
Arkenoicompared to 4 regular phone will provide?01:49
DocScrutinizer< disaster response.pdf>  awesome pictures on p.401:50
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faenilguys what's the suggested way to display a qdeclarativecomponent? just setParentItem?02:43
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Creteilhi all02:51
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itsnotabigtruckhey Creteil02:51
Creteilsomeone know have an idea why I can't dpkg -i a_package.deb ? aegis aborting dpkg -- all listed package files rejected02:51
CreteilDamn I don't know what game Nokia playing with this device ... :-(02:52
Creteilor someone have a solution to install lftp on the device ?02:54
CreteilThe following packages have unmet dependencies:02:55
Creteil  lftp: Depends: libgcrypt11 (>= 1.4.2) but 1.2.0-11.1osso5+0m6 is to be installed02:55
Creteil        Depends: libgnutls26 (>= 2.4.0-0) but it is not going to be installed02:55
CreteilE: Broken packages02:55
itsnotabigtruckCreteil: that's pretty clear02:56
itsnotabigtruckyour package requires versions of other packages that aren't on the N902:56
Creteilitsnotabigtruck, I know the problem02:56
itsnotabigtruckwhere'd you get the deb?02:56
itsnotabigtruckyou shouldn't just grab debs directly from debian02:56
itsnotabigtruckthey should normally be rebuilt against the N9's environment02:56
Creteilitsnotabigtruck, I just added /etc/apt/sources.list.d/home-rzr-harmattan.list and do an apt-get update02:57
Creteilwhat is not clear to me is where is the equivalent of extra's N900 repository for N9 ?02:57
itsnotabigtruckit doesn't sound like you were installing that through apt, since you just said you did dpkg -i02:58
itsnotabigtruckthat said rzr's repo is full of packages with borked dependencies02:58
Creteilitsnotabigtruck, what repository I can add to install lftp ? is there one ?02:58
CreteilI have build many packages by myself for the N900 community, but trying to switch to the N9 scratchbox always f**k my N900 scratchbox environment ...03:00
CreteilI'm really tired to have to fight for everything on N903:00
itsnotabigtruckCreteil: FFS, would you quit getting all angry about little stuff like this03:01
itsnotabigtruckit looks like LFTP is in rzr's repo but the dependencies are broken03:01
Creteilitsnotabigtruck, If I was able to update my scratchbox to support N9 building of packages without breaking in the same time my actual scratchbox supporting N900 building, I was not here asking help ...03:04
itsnotabigtrucklooks like LFTP requires GnuTLS and GnuTLS requies a much newer libgcrypt then what harmattan shipped with03:04
Creteilitsnotabigtruck, I know that :-)03:04
itsnotabigtruckand you should be able to install harmattan targets in parallel to your fremantle targets03:05
itsnotabigtruckyeah, the dpkg message makes that pretty obvious :p but it looks like gnutls has required a newer libgcrypt for a long time03:05
Creteilitsnotabigtruck, I have not achieved the harmattan target installation in parallel of my fremantle ...03:06
Creteilitsnotabigtruck, it always break my fremantle target installation ...03:06
itsnotabigtruckapparently lftp can be built with openssl03:06
itsnotabigtruckdoing that might eliminate the problem03:06
itsnotabigtruckuggggggggggggggggh, i hate autotools03:15
itsnotabigtruckok, autoconf finished with its stupidity03:18
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itsnotabigtruckCreteil: hold on03:29
Creteilitsnotabigtruck, ???03:29
itsnotabigtruckwait for this, grab the deb, and see if it works03:29
Creteilitsnotabigtruck, K03:30
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faenilitsnotabigtruck, ever used qdeclarativecomponent?03:35
itsnotabigtruckfaenil: nope03:35
faenildamn xD03:35
itsnotabigtrucki've done next to no harmattan gui stuff03:35
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itsnotabigtruckCreteil: any moment now...03:44
Creteilitsnotabigtruck, ???03:44
Arieitsnotabigtruck: he can hack aegis, but he can't write a gui, lol03:45
itsnotabigtruckeh, i would if i wanted to, but writing yet another GUI app is kinda boring03:46
itsnotabigtruckeverybody does that03:46
itsnotabigtrucki don't get why the N9 didn't just ship with openssl 1.0.0, period03:48
itsnotabigtruckinstead it's got openssl 0.9.8 installed normally, and openssl 1.0.0 installed off to the side03:48
itsnotabigtruckin a way that no application will find unless it's modified specifically for harmattan03:48
itsnotabigtruckand the nokia stuff generally uses the old version03:48
Arieitsnotabigtruck: i fried my n9 today03:51
itsnotabigtruckArie: so i heard...03:52
itsnotabigtruckper the other channel, did you try holding the power button longer03:53
itsnotabigtruckunless you kicked up your voltage to the stratosphere i find it highly unlikely that you actually fried it03:53
itsnotabigtruckand i thought you were running a rather conservative oc03:53
Arieyup, i tried everything, officially dead03:54
itsnotabigtrucki'm still skeptical...there's gotta be some way you can revive it03:55
itsnotabigtruckalso @everyone more of you guys should get in #INCEPTION03:55
Arietried flashing, nothing03:56
Arietried turning on nothing03:56
Arietried to do anything, it gave up03:56
itsnotabigtruckit finished03:59
itsnotabigtruckcheck if it works, because i haven't03:59
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Creteilitsnotabigtruck, working fine ...04:03
itsnotabigtruckCreteil: ok, try and put it through its paces04:04
itsnotabigtruckespecially with SSL connections04:04
itsnotabigtrucktgalal: how's it going?04:04
Arietgalal: i have some bugs to report04:05
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tgalalArie: send them through by email please04:06
tgalalitsnotabigtruck: lots of bugs as u see lol04:06
Arietgalal: did you fix the libcontacts problem?04:06
Arietgalal: also wazapp to wazapp works really well04:07
itsnotabigtruckcrap, now he quits, without so much as a thanks or something04:07
itsnotabigtrucki'll just assume it works and submit it to rzr since it's better than what's available now in any case04:07
tgalalArie: not yet,  i will work on it tomorrow04:07
Arieitsnotabigtruck: what did you fix for him?04:07
tgalalAnd really thanks for testing btw04:08
Arietgalal: no problems, just keep sending me your new versions, also did you see the post up on evN9?04:08
ArieI'm giving your project a ton of credibility04:08
tgalalyeah thanks alot :) i actually responded to some comments their as well04:09
itsnotabigtruckArie: the existing lftp package depended on unbuildable packages04:09
itsnotabigtrucknow it doesn't and installs without any problems04:10
Arietgalal: I'm trying to minimize the bs you're given04:11
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rantomitsnotabigtruck: Yeah, kind of suspected that a bit too07:17
itsnotabigtruckrantom: i'm only interested in it myself because it'll require new INCEPTION counter-counter-measures07:20
rantomI'd like to know if they fixed the MMS-conversation bug and pictures in gallery bug07:21
rantom(In short: you receive a MMS from someon, reply to it and for some reason it's treated as a MMS-message with an image instead of a normal text message. Pictures in gallery: some of the received images are saved to Pictures-folder and, I think, _are_ shown in the Gallery but only in the so called "full view", not in the general view (the second icon from left). Re-saving images hasn't helped nor putting those images back with Nokia Link)07:23
infobotrantom meant: (In short: you receive a MMS from someone, reply to it and for some reason it's treated as a MMS-message with an image instead of a normal text message. Pictures in gallery: some of the received images are saved to Pictures-folder and, I think, _are_ show...07:23
rantomAnd the (infamous) bug where network connections suddenly stop working for Nokia-apps, e.g. Drive, Store, Web-browser, but it continues to work for e.g. Firefox07:25
rantomWhen that happened I was close to give up and buy a Lumia over my N9. Thankfully though I remembered that Lumia is not even close to N9 in features, as of yet, due to the limitations of Windows Phone07:27
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CreamyG31337anyone know the possible bad harmattan bootreasons when something fails? I know 32wd_to, if same as maemo5 then could be sw_rst or "kernel crash" also but i'm just guessing on those07:48
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denismhi, does anybody have a scheme for N9 serial console jig? Is it available at a reference manual?09:17
jonnidenism: I have few serial console jigs that goes into sim slot, but scheme doesnt help you much, since you only get data out of those pins, if you have installed R&D certificate to your device.09:19
denismyes but it is still interesting - is it available anywhere or not, if somebody will decide to try by himself :)09:22
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MohammadAGCreamyG31337: Grep for them in kernel sources10:18
MohammadAGOr strings /dev/mtd0ro10:18
CreamyG31337i tried searching kernel sources but couldn't find them, thanks though. i'll look tomorrow. really late here now10:19
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nivwhi all10:30
nivwI still can't get email on my N910:30
nivwI tried to remove .accounts and .signon10:30
nivwcan I report a bug?10:30
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nivwI am seeking to remove all fenix previus info , as it seems to cause this problem10:31
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CityofLights2well, if anyone can help with email fenix I would appreciate it10:37
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Siva~ovi store10:58
SivaHi jonni.. do you have any idea if they have started publishing new apps/updates to the ovi store?11:00
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jonniSiva: well I got my new app released last friday, so yes they publish new ones...11:01
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spenapSiva: yes, finally, after almost 3 weeks, I got one of mine published as well11:02
spenapit's taking them quite some time to go back to track11:02
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Sivajonni: spenap:  oh cool.. thanks now I can push for mine.. its been more than a month since I submitted..11:03
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trxX-Fade are you here?11:49
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X-Fadetrx: hi12:21
trxX-Fade hello12:21
trxcould you please take a look at cOBS' MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan:Apps:Testing12:21
trxbossbot seems to be stuck or something12:22
X-Fadetrx: Yeah, boss process is broken atm..12:22
trxdo you know when will it be operational?12:23
X-FadeWhen it is fixed ;)12:23
X-FadeI need help from lbt_away for it, but he is in SF atm.12:23
trxok, thanks for the info12:24
X-Fadetrx: But it will get fixed as soon as possible. A lot of things are blocked due to that issue.12:25
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trxgood to know, i was under the impression that maybe no one noticed that its broken12:26
X-Fadehehe, no, well aware.12:27
trxX-Fade oh, one more thing12:27
trxpackage txpad is already there, v0.1.012:27
trxand i added 0.2.0 to my repo12:27
trxdo i need to submit every time12:27
trxor will it be done automatically?12:28
X-Fadetrx: Yes, you need to submit every time.12:28
trxok, thanks X-Fade12:28
SivaHey all.. Just completed an app based on! Now all that's left is come up with a cool name (just Transliterate seems a bit dull).. any suggestions guys?12:29
X-FadeSiva: txlit? :)12:30
trxtxlit ftw :))12:32
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SivaX-Fade: trx: TxLit.. noted!12:35
Sivatrx: Goes well with TxPad huh? ;)12:35
trxyeah :)12:35
SivaWell I am trying to see if its possible to have a name that suggests transliteration seeing the name.. in case of TxPad you can see that its a pad to write stuff. TxLit doesn't quite say it for the ordinary user on first look. Anyways that would be my backup name!12:38
trxwell, only thing that comes to my mind atm is something like TransLit12:39
Sivasame here :) probably I should have a crazy good app icon.. any UI wizards around?12:40
trxno idea about the icon, but here is a useful tool to create harmattan style icon when you have something :
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spenapyou can get templates for gimp and inkscape12:58
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spenapif you have time, it's quite easy to do. javispedro's tool is nice, too, although is less flexible.12:58
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Jaffa_Morning, all13:02
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MohammadAGMornin Jaffa_13:07
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ZogG_laptoplsup guys13:17
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ZogG_laptopGentooXativa: viva la gentoo13:30
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GentooXativafor me one of the best linux distributions :P13:32
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faenilanyone who has ever used QDeclarativeComponent here? I can't make it show on screen, it only shows if I create it in main.cpp13:54
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Sivaspenap: trx: thx guys.. will check them out.14:03
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Venemo_N950I'm looking for someone with an N9 here14:05
trxfaenil maybe you know this but, you need to set its parent to be scene's rootObject()14:05
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trx(or any object whose parent is rootObject())14:05
GentooXativaVenemo_N950: what you need?14:05
Venemo_N950GentooXativa, could you please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ folder?14:06
GentooXativayep, gimme a minute to connect the phone14:07
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GentooXativau want the file contents? or only the tree structure?14:08
Venemo_N950the file contents :)14:08
Venemo_N950I'd like to add the N9's repo to my N950 so that I can get the updated packages :)14:09
GentooXativawhy you dont use meecatalog app for that?14:10
GentooXativaafk i go to eat, tell me if you need something more later when i come back D:14:11
Venemo_N950haven't heard about meecatalog :)14:13
Venemo_N950but this seems to work, thank you :)14:14
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arceanVenemo_N950: are you going to update 1.2beta to final PR1.2 ? :D14:16
Venemo_N950arcean, yep, I guess you could say so :P14:16
Venemo_N950I was expecting them to give us 1.3 beta or somthing like that by this time, but no.14:19
spenapdo you think it will work? has anyone tried already?14:19
Venemo_N950so I'll suffice with the final 1.2 packages14:19
arceanspenap: yep, my N950 is running PR 1.214:19
Venemo_N950spenap, yep, some guys already did this14:19
spenapdid you have to do something to avoid updating the kernel?14:20
arceanno, the kernel is the same for N9 & N95014:20
spenapI had heard it wasn't, but maybe I'm wrong14:20
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Venemo_N950well, the hw is basically the same, apart from some minor differences14:23
arceanVenemo_N950: after removing harm-metapackage and upgrading system, you will have to do something like
arceanotherwise, apt autoremove will destroy your system :P14:23
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Venemo_N950why would I autoremove?14:24
arceanI think the Store app would do that14:24
arceanyes :)14:24
Venemo_N950what if I just install the n9 metapackage?14:25
arceaneach package have to be manually installed14:25
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arceann9 metapackage has different config files, so I dunno14:25
arcean*depend on different config files14:25
Venemo_N950btw, what you pasted is just a huge apt-get install command14:26
arceanyes, but it will just mark each package as 'manually installed', so autoremove won't remove them14:27
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Venemo_N950arcean, can I somehow select all that in the Harmattan browser?14:36
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Arkenoistrange problem with inception and aegisctl14:42
Arkenoicannot install it properly -- due to CAP::sys_module14:43
Arkenoiopensh works fine14:43
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X-Fadetrx: Can you please resubmit your package?15:04
trxX-Fade done15:05
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X-Fadetrx: ok, seems to be working.15:05
trxX-Fade great! thank you15:06
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itsnotabigtruckVenemo_N950: every time something is installed through pkgmgrd it does an autoremove afterward16:44
itsnotabigtruckthat includes installing a deb from the browser, the store, the pkgmgr command, etc.16:44
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MrModRso, I am trying to get scratchbox working on lubuntu over virtualbox on windows16:54
MrModRbut I am getting an error16:55
MrModRqgtkstyle was unable to detect current gtk+style16:55
MrModRand its stuck there16:55
MrModRso help?16:55
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Sivaany apps or commands out  there to clear the clipboard?17:09
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ArieAnybody here had success setting up mfe for hotmail on an N950?17:27
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Ariejonni: can you see my above question?17:30
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GentooXativaArie: i used extraplugins for that xD17:33
ArieGentooXativa: for mfe on an N950?17:33
GentooXativanot mfe17:34
ArieGentooXativa: I can't seem to set up mfe on my n95017:35
GentooXativai try later when i go to home, i have there my 95017:35
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GentooXativabut i used that plugin for hotmail accounts17:35
ArieGentooXativa: hmmm you mean msn chat?17:36
GentooXativaoh you are talking about mail xD17:36
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ArieGentooXativa: yeah17:38
ArieGentooXativa: it's driving me up a wall17:38
GentooXativacheck this post17:38
ArieGentooXativa: tried that, it keeps brining me back to the page asking for just username, password, and domain with the option to sign in, this is after manual set up when you click sign in17:40
GentooXativai take a look later17:40
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ArieGentooXativa: thanks17:41
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GentooXativai only have n900 and n9 here17:41
ArieGentooXativa: my N9 died yesterday so im using my n95017:41
GentooXativaArie: i readed it at logs17:42
GentooXativabut what happened?17:42
ArieGentooXativa: i was writing a message and it started a random reboot and didnt turn on no matter what I did17:43
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djszapimerlin1991: ping17:45
merlin1991djszapi: pong17:45
Ariethe N950's mfe system is odd compared to the N9's17:45
djszapimerlin1991: having python issues as usual :p17:46
merlin1991hit me with the problem :D17:46
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djszapimerlin1991: you missed the problem =p18:11
djszapiAt any rate, has anybody used the g_serial module in here ?18:12
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merlin1991djszapi: sry :D18:13
merlin1991did you fix it already?18:13
djszapimerlin1991: yep, by using dd :D18:13
merlin1991ah well :D18:14
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nivwmaybe some can help me now: how can I remove all the information fenix keeps?18:26
nivwI tried to remove .acounts and .signon files18:26
nivwthen defined my email account again, it seems to "remember" the inbox content18:27
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nivwmy work email is via google email , and so I defined two email accounts from google mail18:28
nivwthey have seem to over lap18:28
nivwso now I am tring to remove all files, and start over18:28
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MohammadAGis there a way to have a class with two names?18:38
MohammadAGI had a class called FriendObject and a class called FacebookObject, FriendObject is now a direct subclass of FacebookObject and has nothing extra18:39
MohammadAGbut it's used a lot18:39
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Venemo_N950yeah, we saw19:21
itsnotabigtrucki'm getting really tired of my laptop failing to enter sleep mode19:21
itsnotabigtruckand tizen is looking more and more like a bad clone of webos19:23
* djszapi is getting really tired of crashing ubuntu installers19:24
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itsnotabigtruck /me facepalms19:33
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: i thought so too, but they have API apperantly19:34
trxwtf is whatsapp19:34
trxeveryone is talking about it19:34
ZogG_laptoptrx: it's a secret cult19:35
GentooXativatrx: a ice cream19:35
djszapitrx: a cute woman19:35
trxwow :)19:35
trxpretty "feature-full" app19:35
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: the API appears to be read-only and basically useless19:36
itsnotabigtrucklike most official web service APIs19:36
djszapiso go and give one star with a useless review comment :)19:36
itsnotabigtruckwhen your business is some vertically integrated whatchamacallit that relies on people using *your* stuff19:36
itsnotabigtruckthey tend to be against offering full-bodied official API docs that can be used to build functional clients19:36
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: no uploading and all the stuff? =\19:37
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: nope19:37
itsnotabigtruckspecifically no uploading19:37
itsnotabigtruckit appears to be mainly oriented toward companies displaying instagram stuff on their websites for marketing purposes19:38
itsnotabigtruck*not* doing cool stuff19:38
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: wtf?19:38
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: why do they have API at all19:38
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: marketing, like i mentioned19:38
itsnotabigtruckmost web services pull this kind of BS...REST APIs with full functionality and reasonable usage limits are extraordinarily rare19:39
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itsnotabigtruckvs missing major functionality and requests limited to 2 per day for all users :p19:39
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: idiotism is the word19:40
SputTizen conf keynote live now:
ZogG_laptopSput: soon they would be out of Names for new platforms19:41
itsnotabigtrucki just realized that moblin = mob lin = mobile linux19:42
Sputnice one :)19:42
ZogG_laptopyamlin is better name19:45
ZogG_laptopyet another mobile linux =)19:45
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Sazpaimon_so what's a good starting value for opptimizer21:13
Sazpaimon_im currently trying 1250Mhz at 1337500 voltage21:14
Sazpaimon_trying to keep te voltate low21:14
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Sazpaimon_that clock speed may be too high for a test though21:14
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Sazpaimon_looks like my limit is 1300mhz at 1.35v21:44
Sazpaimon_im not sure if that voltage is low enough for a 300mhz overclock though21:44
Sazpaimon_what's the default voltage 1.75?21:45
Morpogdepends on your chip21:47
Morpogmine has 1,175V @ default clock. But even 1100Mhz runs fine with it.21:49
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Sazpaimon_looks like my default voltage is 122500022:04
Sazpaimon_not sure where that 1.375v came from22:06
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CreamyG313371375 is the default max voltage22:07
Sazpaimon_strange, when I started OppUI it was at 1.22522:07
Sazpaimon_is that because of smartreflex?22:08
CreamyG31337yeah it calibrates the voltage with smartreflex to be as low as possible when you start the phone, every 24 hours, and when you change settings in opptimizer22:08
CreamyG31337it usually stays about the same but sometimes varies by 1250022:09
CreamyG31337no idea why yet22:09
Sazpaimon_so setting the voltage to 1.375 or lower in oppui is the ideal scenario22:09
CreamyG31337well Arie was using default voltage and only 1100 and his won't switch on again, so ideal is not overclocking :(22:10
Sazpaimon_i think the problem is the N9 is so tight that overclocking is almost sure to be an issue22:11
Sazpaimon_the compontents are very cramped in that shell22:11
CreamyG31337i would actually i think the default max is safe, arie probably had a bad chip22:12
CreamyG31337or its just frozen really bad and will work again if the battery dies completely22:12
CreamyG31337yeah that's probably why they run most phones less than the rated speed22:13
Sazpaimon_you should always try the absolute lowest stable voltage when overclocking anyway22:13
Sazpaimon_overclocking at stock voltage will increase the potential for a brick22:13
Sazpaimon_also, if his phone is frozen, holding the power button for 8 seconds will fix it22:14
Sazpaimon_that functionality isn't part of the software, it's mechanical22:14
Sazpaimon_so it will always work22:14
CreamyG31337yeah but the stock voltage is already the lowest stable voltage at 1000mhz according to the way smartreflex works. it lowers the voltage until it detects fluctuations in a special part of the circuit22:15
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CreamyG31337and yeah he tried holding power for a long time, its dead22:15
CreamyG31337just hard to believe22:15
Sazpaimon_ok so 1200Mhz at 1250000 froze up22:15
Sazpaimon_1150 @122500 seems okay22:17
Sazpaimon_lowering that a little further froze it up22:18
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CreamyG31337yeah it freezes when you lower it for no reason though, sometimes22:24
CreamyG31337some bug i can't find22:24
Sazpaimon_this is pretty consistent22:24
CreamyG31337make sure you use 1.5.3 modules though, they are a bit more stable as far as i can tell22:25
Sazpaimon_i just installed it today, so they should be the latest22:25
itsnotabigtruckjust be careful what you do with your voltage22:25
itsnotabigtruckhigher is bad..der22:25
Sazpaimon_as I said22:25
itsnotabigtruck"overclocking at stock voltage will increase the potential for a brick" hm?22:25
Sazpaimon_you want the voltage to be as low as possible to offset the additional heat that would be generted22:25
itsnotabigtruckif that's the case that might explain arie's situation, but how22:25
Sazpaimon_itsnotabigtruck, because the stock voltage was designed for 1000mhz22:26
itsnotabigtruckafaik higher clock with insufficiently high voltage just results in crashes22:26
Sazpaimon_whenever you overclock you always want to undervolt along with it22:26
itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon_: er, what?22:27
Sazpaimon_unless of course the chip is deigned with the potential to overclock at stock voltage22:27
itsnotabigtruckyou want the lowest voltage that the chip can tolerate at a given clock22:27
itsnotabigtruckif you raise the clock and the chip can tolerate it at the same voltage22:27
itsnotabigtruckthere shouldn't be a problem22:27
itsnotabigtruck*undervolting* certainly isn't going to do anything good when *overclocking*22:27
Sazpaimon_depends on your definition of "tolerate"22:27
Sazpaimon_it could be a slow degrade22:28
itsnotabigtruckthat'll only cause more problems22:28
itsnotabigtruckdue to insufficient voltage to manage the clocks22:28
itsnotabigtrucksince the default voltage is supposed to be just enough to support the default clock22:28
CreamyG31337want to, maybe, but that isn't usually gonna work22:28
CreamyG31337especially because the chip undervolts itself with smartreflex by defualt22:28
CreamyG31337there should be a little headroom22:28
CreamyG3133750k uv i think? i get all the #s confused, the algo is complex22:28
itsnotabigtruckby tolerate i mean that the chip runs without any logic failures22:28
Sazpaimon_yeah, that's true, I didn't know that SR actually undervolts the chip as low as possible22:29
itsnotabigtruckyou shouldn't get any significant 'slow degradation' from default or slightly increased voltages22:29
itsnotabigtruckbut you do if you kick it way up (electromigration)22:29
Sazpaimon_this is unlike the N900 which, afaik, keeps voltage at a static value22:29
Sazpaimon_which may or may not be optimal22:29
CreamyG31337yeah n900 had smartreflex too, we usually disabled it totally when overclocking thouhg22:29
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CreamyG31337it might have been an older smartreflex version though, not sure how it worked22:30
Sazpaimon_N900 had smartreflex, but it wasn't completely stable22:30
CreamyG31337well we were doing it wrong, i suspect.22:30
Sazpaimon_it simply did not work above a certain clock22:30
Sazpaimon_i think it was 850Mhz22:30
Sazpaimon_or 80522:30
Sazpaimon_something like that22:30
Sazpaimon_CreamyG31337, question, when running tests, does the clock stay at the set value when the screen turns off?22:31
CreamyG31337yeah, on the n9 it has a bunch of extra parameters to help it calibrate that are hard-coded for each supported voltage/freq combo22:31
Sazpaimon_I dont think it does22:31
CreamyG31337if i knew how to set those, great, but they're not documented anywhere22:31
itsnotabigtruckCreamyG31337: wait, shouldn't opptimizer then allow the user to pick a preset22:31
Sazpaimon_which kind of defeats the purpose of running tests if the clock speed goes back down when the tests are running22:31
CreamyG31337yeah it will, 100% cpu should keep it at the highest speed even if the screen is off22:32
CreamyG31337preset of what, itsnotabigtruck ?22:32
itsnotabigtruckCreamyG31337: you could switch the cpufreq mode during the test anyway to be sure22:32
Sazpaimon_really? all I had to go by was the BogoMIPS in cpuinfo22:32
itsnotabigtruckthough, i think opptimizer forces the cpufreq mode (governor) already...22:32
Sazpaimon_and when i read that when the screen was off during testing, it was at like, 90022:33
itsnotabigtruckand presets of clock and cal values22:33
CreamyG31337no, i don't touch the governor, but i'm sure you guys are wrong. no way it downclocks when the screen is off22:33
MohammadAGCreamyG31337, check PM22:33
Sazpaimon_CreamyG31337, so why is the bogomips value so low22:33
CreamyG31337wtf is bogomips22:34
Sazpaimon_bogomips is, basically, an rough measurement of cpu speed22:34
Sazpaimon_you can see it in /proc/cpuinfo22:34
Sazpaimon_for example, when the screen is off, the bogomips value is "298.32"22:35
Sazpaimon_when on, I see it at 996.74 or  796.19 depending on usage22:35
Sazpaimon_when I start running tests on, say 1100Mhz22:36
Sazpaimon_bogomips is 1105.4922:37
Sazpaimon_turn the screen off, and the value can occasionally drop22:37
Sazpaimon_not all the time though22:38
CreamyG31337so it's supposed to give the same # roughly even if the cpu is busy?22:39
Sazpaimon_I believe so22:39
Sazpaimon_I'll run some more tests and see22:39
Sazpaimon_maybe I wont be able to reproduce it again22:39
CreamyG31337well its worth looking at but can't guess why at this time22:40
Sazpaimon_in case youre wondering about the name, "Bogo" means bogus and  "mips" is millions of instructions per second22:40
CreamyG31337the benchmark is run in a qt worker thread at normal priority, it should use all available cpu, but maybe the max clock is lower when the screen is off22:40
Sazpaimon_meaning, you shouldnt rely on it as a real value of anything22:41
CreamyG31337maybe some power saving thing i didn't know about22:41
Sazpaimon_well i cant reproduce it22:41
Sazpaimon_though, last time I did it i had the voltage set dangerously high22:42
Sazpaimon_so that may have something to do with it22:42
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CreamyG31337oh, likely, it definitely throttles the cpu speed down when it detects too high heat22:42
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