IRC log of #harmattan for Friday, 2012-05-04

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aquariusHow do I show the Share menu? (Not add my app to it; allow my app to pop it up so that I can share things from my app to things in the Share menu?)00:35
phakoaquarius: let me check my bookmarks, sec00:35
aquariusgoogling for this provides a zillion people asking how to add their app to the share menu ;) My google-fu is weak this evening, it seems00:36
phakoaquarius: you can launch share-ui directly, btw.00:36
aquariuscheers phako00:36
aquariusit's a program?00:36
phakobut there's some official interface to call it00:37
aquarius"shareui" is the magic phrase to google for :)00:38
phakoah yes.00:38
phakothat page I was looking for00:38
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AranelMobiwant to mess with my n9, suggestions for a boring night? nitdroid, maybe?00:44
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itsnotabigtruckAranelMobi: lol00:45
itsnotabigtruckhow about opptimizing it!00:45
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AranelMobiitsnotabigtruck: yup that looks cool too, did you try it? :)00:46
itsnotabigtruckhaven't OCd with it myself though i likely will soon00:46
AranelMobidamn there isn't any cool stuff for harmattan since a month :/00:47
itsnotabigtrucki did help put it together a little bit (e.g. the kernel module aegis stuff i wrote)00:47
itsnotabigtruckand there's been a decent amount of stuff this month00:48
itsnotabigtrucklike that for one, and the INCEPTION update, and a few apps coming out00:48
AranelMobiby the way, nitdroid forces open-mode right? is  there anything broken on open-mode, except that devicelock and account bug00:48
itsnotabigtruckincluding a fancier text editor, and nokia's bus routing app00:48
AranelMobiinception "update" , huh? which update? :/00:48
itsnotabigtrucknokia released an update that interfered with INCEPTION so i released the new 0.1.1 version00:49
AranelMobiwell NokiaPT doesnt work for me, not supported here :|00:49
AranelMobiitsnotabigtruck: then it's decided, first I'll incept, then opptimize and at last, install nitdroid and hope it works opptimized00:54
itsnotabigtruckAranelMobi: ok cool00:54
AranelMobiitsnotabigtruck: and I'll get loads of shiny new games installed, just to play them 5mins and throw away =)00:54
itsnotabigtruckthough if you're going to do nitdroid, maybe do it this way00:54
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itsnotabigtrucka) reflash with pr1.2 (main + emmc), b) without rebooting, flash nitdroid's modified kernel00:54
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itsnotabigtruckc) boot up into the fresh install and use AEGIS_FIXED_ORIGIN instead of incept00:55
itsnotabigtruckthough it doesn't hurt to use inception in open mode, so do that if you feel like it00:55
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itsnotabigtruckand the new inception will have a new feature useful even for open mode users00:56
itsnotabigtrucki'm still thinking about porting the old exploit to the new inception and releasing00:56
itsnotabigtrucki thought pr1.3 would be released sooner than now00:56
itsnotabigtruckbut supposedly it's coming out within the next few weeks00:57
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AranelMobiitsnotabigtruck: d'oh, every refresh&reinstall takes couple of hours from my remaining lifetime :| I think I'll just incept, opptimize and install nitdroid on top of them.01:19
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AranelMobiopen-mode users: are those issues mentioned by javispedro fixed yet or not?03:27
itsnotabigtruckAranelMobi: well, that post is a month old and nothing major has changed since then03:38
itsnotabigtruckso if he's right about those issues then no03:38
befordhi itsnotabigtruck03:40
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AranelMobiitsnotabigtruck: oh okay :/ thought that there may be new versions of open-mode kernel which resolve those issues04:46
itsnotabigtruckhey beford04:47
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Jeffrey04just a quick question, where does all the apps listed by meecatalog come from?13:05
RST38hfrom repositories?13:06
Jeffrey04from /etc/apt/sources.list13:06
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trxis there any information on what will PR1.3 contain?13:28
trxto be more specific, will there be Qt update?13:28
jonnitrx: define what you mean by update?13:29
trxnewer version of qt13:30
Jeffrey04isn't Qt5 still in beta?13:30
trxi think it is13:30
trxbut there is 4.8 that we dont have13:30
jonniyou cannot get newer one, since there is requirement that eveything must work with pr1.0, so it will always be 4.7.4, but it can have a newer version of 4.7.413:31
trxwell that sucks13:33
jonnithat is product life cycle, one cannot break binary compatibility.13:33
trxthat means that qml bugs that i have will remain13:33
jonnino it doesnt mean that, newer 4.7.4 can have fixed older 4.7.4 bugs13:34
Jeffrey04so there are different builds of 4.7.4?13:34
Jeffrey04shouldn't release with bug fixes get a new point release?13:35
Jeffrey04i mean a new version number?13:35
jonninope, bugfixes doesnt cause version increase, only new features does.13:36
trxjonni, so back to my original question then, is pr1.3 likely to have updated 4.7.4?13:36
jonnitrx: atleast if we look history from pr1.0 and pr1.1 and pr1.2 they all had a newer version of 4.7.4, so it pattern continues then answer is yes.13:37
trxthat brings hope :)13:37
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Khertantrx, at least there is some bug fixes for qml qt components14:39
trxKhertan is there a list somewhere?14:40
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trxKhertan thanks14:42
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tom___I just noticed that in the calendar, if I write a note for an appointment, the text is not wrapped when it is subsequently displayed - it just disappears offscreen.  Has anyone else found this?  If it is not a known issue, where should I report the bug?15:26
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spenapsigh, the N950's camera no longer works16:17
spenap(and yes, I reflashed it just in case, and it didn't help)16:19
DocScrutinizerif you're lucky, it's just a contact problem and will autofix by replugging the camera module into holder16:19
spenapDocScrutinizer: you mean, simply dissassembling it and checking the contact?16:20
spenapit could be, yeah, (just 4 screws)16:20
DocScrutinizerI never disassembled N950 but I'd guess the camera is at least similar to N90016:20
DocScrutinizersee L1_2 manual for removing camera module on N90016:21
spenapDocScrutinizer: I'll try that, thanks :-)16:21
DocScrutinizerit includes inserting thin blades at 2 sides to unlock latches AIUI16:21
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DocScrutinizerspenap: be damn careful at disassembling N950, it's definitely more involved than "just 4 screws"16:23
spenapDocScrutinizer: sure, don't worry. Better a non-working camera than a non-working phone16:24
DocScrutinizeresp take good care about any cables etc16:24
spenapyou can trust me, I won't risk the whole thing :-)16:24
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DocScrutinizerthe "just 4 screws" thing applies for battery cover only16:25
DocScrutinizerthen it just *starts* to get interesting16:26
spenapDocScrutinizer: if after removing the battery cover I don't see anything clearly wrong, I seriously doubt I'll continue into the interesting part16:26
DocScrutinizeroooh, you're a lucky guy!16:27
spenapI won't start hardware hacking now :-)16:27
DocScrutinizerthe camera is completely exposed after simply removing battery cover :-D16:27
spenapheh, cool16:27
spenaplet me check16:27
* SpeedEvil does his best Picard.16:28
SpeedEvil'There are four screws!'16:28
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: for me that'S "there've been 4 screws, once"16:28
DocScrutinizerI faithfully followed achipa's unboxing instructions ;-D16:29
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spenaplet's see if I can find one of those "torx TX4" mentioned in the forums16:31
DocScrutinizeryou'll need that16:32
spenapyes, none of the screw driver heads I have at home are fine16:33
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itsnotabigtruckdamn, i hate flimsy websites17:28
itsnotabigtrucklike the economist's account management site17:28
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GeneralAntillesitsnotabigtruck, that's why you should probably cancel your subscription.17:40
itsnotabigtruckGeneralAntilles: well, i didn't end up having much trouble switching it over, the site isn't *that* bad17:40
GeneralAntillesStill, the periodical is pretty terrible. :P17:40
itsnotabigtruckeh, i find it a decent read...obviously they have a pretty clear position on things that isn't always agreeable17:41
itsnotabigtruckbut every journalistic outfit has a position on things, it just isn't always very obvious17:41
jpwhitingitsnotabigtruck: enabling developer mode on a new N9 is failing over and over17:43
jpwhitingit's already updated to PR 1.217:43
jpwhitingkeeps getting Installation interrupted with try again, and cancel buttons17:43
jpwhitingis that a known issue?17:43
jpwhitingthe update to PR 1.2 kept failing until I set the date, but that's fixed now17:44
itsnotabigtruckjpwhiting: well that's weird, are you sure you have a solid internet connection17:44
itsnotabigtruckif it's a new N9, you might as well try flashing it17:44
jonnimost usuall reason for failing is the dete or wrong year17:44
jpwhitingpretty sure my internet is solid, /me can't check the dmesg log without terminal on it though17:45
itsnotabigtruckah, due to the SSL certificate expiration17:45
jonnilike one of my collegue set it may 2011, and wondered why its failing17:45
jonnias the cert starts oct 201117:45
jpwhitingthe other N9 kept reconnecting to the wifi, maybe this one is too17:45
jpwhitingfeed screen shows Friday May 4, 201217:46
itsnotabigtruck            Not Before: Feb  3 03:29:02 2012 GMT17:46
itsnotabigtruck            Not After : Feb  3 03:29:02 2013 GMT17:46
jonniah, then the second most likely reason is that there has been some custom repoes in pr1.1 and ota update17:46
itsnotabigtruckthe real problem is that the package manager gui gives you about zero visibility into what's going wrong17:47
itsnotabigtruck"installation interrupted"17:47
itsnotabigtruckthat's the catch-all error that means "something went wrong"17:47
jpwhitingjonni: custom repos? I just opened this from the box, did the PR 1.2 update, did other updates of apps after that, and now trying to enable dev mode17:47
itsnotabigtruckif you had the terminal you could do: pkgmgr install -p developer-mode17:47
itsnotabigtruckand you'd probably get a detailed error message17:47
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jonniwell you can install terminal without devel mode17:48
jpwhitingcan I install terminal from the store or anything?17:48
jonniie you can fetch btinput-terminal from ovi store17:48
jonniif ovi store install works for you17:48
* jpwhiting tries17:48
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jpwhitingdownloading, installing, sweet17:49
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jpwhitingitsnotabigtruck: pkgmgr install -p developer-mode can be run as user?17:49
jpwhitingor needs devel-su also?17:49
jonnican use runned as user17:50
jonnitypo day17:50
jpwhitingpkgmgr install -p developer-mode just gives Error: Rescode: 317:51
itsnotabigtruckjonni: does it require credentials17:51
itsnotabigtrucklike the package-manager::i-limited stuff17:51
jpwhitingdmesg | less also doesn't seem to work as user either17:52
jonniwhen kernel version with uname -a17:52
jpwhitingitsnotabigtruck: I'd rather not redownload the flash images and such if I can help it17:52
infobotjonni meant: check kernel version with uname -a17:52
jpwhitingbut will if needed obviously17:52
jpwhitingjonni: says Linux RM696 #1 PREEMPT Thu Dec 22 14:43:29 EET 2011 armv7l GNU/Linux17:53
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itsnotabigtruckthat's the pr1.2 kernel so that can't be it17:56
jonniwell then Im out of idea, other than reboot, and retry if reboot happens to free some locks17:56
itsnotabigtruckjpwhiting: just flash it :p17:56
jpwhitingtry with pkgmgr or with settings/security?17:57
itsnotabigtrucki'd hope you have an inet connection fast enough to download 2 gigs or so anyway17:57
jpwhitingyeah, can, just need to get the windows box out of the closet again...17:57
jpwhitingor start the vm I guess17:57
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itsnotabigtruckdon't need windows anyway18:01
jpwhitingI thought I did to get the image to flash, no?18:01
jpwhitingis there a new way?18:01
itsnotabigtruckyour best bet is WINE and navifirmex18:02
itsnotabigtruckthere's also admiral0's perl script and the nokia firmwares website but neither let you get emmc images18:03
jpwhitingI shouldn't need mmc images, should I?18:03
itsnotabigtrucknot strictly but you might was well do the wrong thing18:03
jpwhitingwhat's the nokia firmwares website? that wasn't around before that I recall18:04
itsnotabigtruckit's linked from the flashing guide18:04
itsnotabigtruckso is navifirmex18:04
jpwhitingok, cool, thx18:04
jpwhitingyour flashing guide isn't in the topic?18:05
itsnotabigtruckoh wait, you're on a MAC aren't you18:05
itsnotabigtruck*on osx18:05
jpwhitingI have a mac and linux both18:05
itsnotabigtrucknot sure why i just said "on a MAC", that's a pet peeve of mine when other people do it, lol18:05
jpwhitingseparate machines18:05
Sivahey all.. does anyone have an idea about this qml issue?
itsnotabigtruckoh god qml18:06
jpwhitingitsnotabigtruck: my MAC is 88:ae:1d:01:df:ae18:06
itsnotabigtruckwhy can't people ask cool questions like "how do i hack the gibson with inception?"18:06
jpwhitingSiva: that is odd indeed18:07
junglizer"none of this accidental shit Joey. You need a really rightous hack"18:07
jpwhitingno clue here18:08
Sivaitsnotabigtruck: will do in due time ;)18:08
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itsnotabigtruckalso "might was well do the wrong thing" o.O wrong -> whole18:11
itsnotabigtruckclearly my brain isn't powered on right now :p18:11
jpwhitingitsnotabigtruck: why did you ask if I'm on a mac?18:11
jpwhitingis there some other way to flash on there?18:12
jpwhitingor get the flash images rather18:12
itsnotabigtruckjpwhiting: well, i was suggesting you use WINE and NavifirmEx18:13
itsnotabigtrucki'm not sure if WINE works on osx and if it does it's probably not so easy to install18:13
itsnotabigtruckwhereas if you're on, say, ubuntu, it's a matter of one apt-get18:13
tommaSiva, works fine... maybe you have two CustomComp objects?18:13
Sivatomma: Just found that out! one more CustomComp was hiding in the bowels on the rootWindow ;)18:15
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trxwho handles requests in cOBS?20:19
trxa bot or a person?20:19
trx"MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan:Apps:Testing" to be precise20:20
itsnotabigtrucktrx: a bot20:26
trxitsnotabigtruck when i place a new version of my package, does the bot know that or do i need to "request delete" from "MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan:Apps:Testing" and then submit again?20:29
trxi did that20:30
trxbut the bot seems to be on vacation or something :)20:30
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trxX-Fade do you know anything about that?20:45
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itsnotabigtruckbtw has anyone else had a problem where the screen goes black after you take the phone away from your face21:52
itsnotabigtruckit seems like just now, it went21:52
itsnotabigtrucka) i'm talking to somebody21:52
itsnotabigtruckb) end of conversation, remove the phone to hang up21:53
itsnotabigtruckc) screen comes back on (due to the prox sensor), but then immediately turns black again21:53
itsnotabigtruckd) i have to wait a few seconds to be able to hang up21:53
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