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DocScrutinizerinvented first for German telephone books data used by competitor klicktel, who wasn't allowed to even scan&OCR the "official" phonebook, so they hired some 200 dudes in Bangalore, locked them in a 'clean room' where they looked up every single phonenumber-name-addr tuple in official paper book and typed it in to terminals00:10
DocScrutinizermaybe I'm mistaken for the "first" part00:11
itsnotabigtruckthat's not really clean room reverse engineering00:11
itsnotabigtruckbecause there's no reverse engineering going on00:11
DocScrutinizerno, that's where it all started00:11
itsnotabigtruckthat's just cloning data00:11
itsnotabigtruckthe clean room part is because the implementor isn't exposed to the original product/code/etc.00:11
DocScrutinizerof course no "engineering" of any metrics involved :-D00:11
itsnotabigtruckpreventing the new implementation from being influenced by the old implementation, outside of what gets written into the spec00:12
itsnotabigtruckthe idea is to prevent the original vendor from being able to copyright infringement or something like that00:12
ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer: is it where the phrase came from or it was just one of the examples?00:12
itsnotabigtrucksince there's no actual implementation going on, that example doesn't sound right00:12
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: but if you use their website and servers, isn't it copyright matters?00:13
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: no00:13
itsnotabigtruckcopyright has to do with copying stuff00:13
DocScrutinizerthe example is about (C)00:13
itsnotabigtruckwhether you connect to their server is mostly irrelevant00:13
itsnotabigtruckuh oh00:14
itsnotabigtruckthe tornado siren just went off00:14
DocScrutinizerbut since tgalal 's app AIUI is just violating a site's TOS, the whole cleanroom idea is inapplicable00:14
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aquariusstill no wazapp, huh? :)00:15
ZogG_laptoptgalal: as i live in middle east as well i would bring you cookies to prison =D00:16
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tgalal_DocScrutinizer went with your way and it's working awesome! thanks!01:09
tgalal_wtf is wrong with mn nick lol01:10
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djszapiHey! Hmm. How can I get the argument of a signal in qml, if I use onSignal ?07:22
djszapifor instance the signal has a boolean argument.07:23
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CreamyG31337by its name from c++ i think08:19
CreamyG31337or was it a qml signal08:19
djszapisorry ?08:20
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CreamyG31337this is from c++ side: void newLogInfo(const QVariant &LogText);08:25
CreamyG31337qml file gets signal and does this: txtLog.text = Qt.formatTime(new Date(),"hh:mm:ss") + ": " + LogText;08:25
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CreamyG31337should work, qml code is in "onNewLogInfo:" which is the name of the signal08:28
CreamyG31337hope that helps08:30
CreamyG31337i have to go shoot things now08:30
CreamyG31337no, their docs are wrong08:31
CreamyG31337nokia fucked up and forgot to implement that and left us no easy way to make switches work in qml properly08:32
CreamyG31337use a timer08:32
djszapisorry ?08:32
CreamyG31337there is no onToggled08:33
djszapithen I will use onClicked, but for surely not a timer.08:35
CreamyG31337you will see when the component is created that fires and will put in a timer :)08:36
CreamyG31337please prove me wrong08:36
djszapimakes no sense08:36
CreamyG31337but thats how i had to do it08:37
CreamyG31337good luck :P08:37
djszapisince I still need to manually track the state. Meanwhile, I do not need with onClicked.08:37
djszapianyway, thanks for your time!08:38
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CreamyG31337yeah no problem08:39
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rainistoohwell djszapi should just read the api ducumentation better, there is no manual tracking needed.09:18
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rainistoswitches work in qml just fine if you read how they should be used.09:21
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djszapiHey! Is irc-chatter is broken for others as well in case freenode ? I am getting written by "You need to use SASL for using this server".10:32
djszapiThis happened to me after re-connecting this morning.10:32
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Khertan_WorkMorning guys10:45
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Khertan_Worksomeone still use or have a device with PR1.1 ?10:45
Khertan_WorkOvi Store QA guys have now found an other excuse to not validate KhtSimpleText10:45
Khertan_Workso i'll be sure that it s not working on pr1.110:46
Khertan_Workbecause previous qa was ... there is file outside /opt ... yeah .desktop and .service ... of course10:46
Khertan_Worklook like they found an excuse after seven days to refuse QA instead of doing it10:47
phakoKhertan_Work: there are people10:48
phakoswisscom users e.g.10:48
Khertan_Workphako: yeah the purpose is does there is one here that want to try KhtSimpleText on his device :)10:50
phakoKhertan_Work: ah10:50
phakoKhertan_Work: I can check10:50
* phako has the power to downgrade10:50
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phakoKhertan_Work: link?10:51
rainistoI think that I still have a few devices with pr 1.0 and 1.110:56
djszapirainisto: jonni ? :)10:56
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ElleoI suspect they secretly don't want anything to pass QA because they've forgotten how to publish harmattan apps in the store ;)10:57
jonniah yes, secondary nick was in use10:57
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Khertan_Workphako: sorry boss in the office :) i'm uploading it11:04
Khertan_WorkElleo: but they let pass rss apps that claim being game which are sold for 4.5 Euros11:07
ElleoKhertan_Work: within the past few weeks?11:09
ElleoI haven't seen anything change in the "New" queue in a couple of weeks11:09
Elleoalthough actually looking now there appears to have been some updates11:11
ElleoI wonder why my stuff is still just stuck waiting :/11:11
jonniKhertan_Work: most likely you will get fail for /usr/share/pixamps, I think that you need to put that png inside /opt/11:12
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Khertan_Workjonni: hum ... and where did you put the icon ?11:15
Khertan_Workjonni: the launcher need it at this place11:15
jonniKhertan_Work: you should put it in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/80x80/apps11:15
phakojonni: No, that's fine11:17
phakono, you're right11:17
Khertan_Workseriously ?11:17
Khertan_Workthat QA rules seriously sucks11:18
phakoKhertan_Work: although that should be ok11:18
phakoah no. /usr/share/pixmaps. Nevermind me11:18
phakoKhertan_Work: well it's in the rules11:18
Khertan_Workanyway it s not the reason of the fail this time11:18
Khertan_Workphako: which one ? this change every weeks11:19
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phakothe "what systempath use is ok"11:19
phakoKhertan_Work: doesn't start for me11:19
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Khertan_Workphako: oh ?11:20
Khertan_Workthis means invoker is different in 1.1 ?11:20
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Khertan_Workphako: can you try in a terminal : /usr/bin/invoker --type=e -n -s python /opt/khtsimpletext/__init__.py11:21
phakoKhertan_Work: sec.11:21
Khertan_Workplease and give me the error if there is any11:21
jonniit doesnt start for me even on pr1.211:22
Khertan_Workjonni: uh ...11:23
Khertan_Workjonni: works well on my device ... strange11:23
Khertan_Workmaybe a diff in real pr and n950 beta pr ?11:23
Khertan_Workjonni: any error reported ?11:23
Khertan_WorkOH !!! Nice !!!! Thanks11:25
Khertan_Worka dependancy is missing on real firmware11:25
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Khertan_Workpyside was installed by default on mine11:25
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ElleoKhertan_Work: pyside is split into lots of packages, you need to explicitly depend on python-pyside.qtopengl11:26
Elleo(and any other pyside packages you use)11:26
Elleoalso it looks like that package wasn't built using aegis friendly tools, as the digisums haven't been created11:26
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Khertan_WorkElleo: yeah package isn't built with aegis friendly tool, but it s not a problem :)11:28
Khertan_Workuntil now at least11:28
Khertan_WorkElleo: yeah i depends already on some, but as my device have all of them preinstalled, i forgot one without noticing it11:29
Elleookay, wasn't sure if QA would reject for that11:29
Elleono worries11:29
Khertan_WorkElleo: they didn't reject it the first time :)11:29
Elleoyou expect them to be consistent? ;)11:29
jonnithats only warning, shouldnt be a problem. but yes app starts when I install that depency11:30
Khertan_Workbut if this is the case, i ll not blame them this time ... as i use my own tool for packaging, and adding aegis digisum is in my todo list :)11:30
Khertan_Workso now have to wait an other week to see which rules changes ;)11:32
* Khertan_Work thanks you for your help !11:33
* Khertan_Work will be back to fix his sync issue on KhtNotes11:33
jonniKhertan_Work: and you will also get QA reject for your version number (0.4.3) as all ovi store apps needs to start with 1.0.0, so you better fix that one too before resubmit with right depencies.11:44
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Elleohmm, one of mine got accepted as version 0.211:44
jonniwell then it depends who is reviewing the app, they are supposed to reject if it doesnt start with 111:45
Elleoah well, guess the next version will get a giant number bump then11:45
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ZogG_laptopgood logic - crappy app with version over9000 or good app with version 0.2 =)11:49
Khertan_Workjonni: oh really ?11:49
Khertan_Workan other stupid rule11:50
Khertan_Workjonni: thx for the tips11:52
Khertan_WorkGiant bump done11:53
Khertan_Workmaybe i should do it like chrome ... on new major number for any changes :)11:54
Khertan_Workit ll be version 94.0.011:55
Khertan_Worksomeone know what means the "Provide new metadata here" link on content ?11:56
Khertan_Worklook like all metadata are ok ... but i still got this message11:56
PaulePanterAny idea on the following report regarding mounting the N9 as an USB storage device?11:58
ZogG_laptopPaulePanter: what the problem exactly?12:02
ZogG_laptopPaulePanter: you don't mount it right =)12:03
PaulePanterZogG_laptop: Even plain mount does not work. The error is »No medium inserted.«12:05
PaulePanterThe problem seems to be the system things this is a floppy or CD drive, where you can insert a medium.12:06
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PaulePanterBut since it is not removable the system always thinks no medium is inserted since no event is sent to the system indicating a media is inserted.12:07
PaulePanterZogG_laptop: `/lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules` has the following line.12:07
PaulePanterSUBSYSTEM=="block", ATTRS{removable}=="1",      GROUP="floppy"12:07
PaulePanterUsually `udisks --mount /dev/sdb` should work. But even `sudo mount /dev/sdb /mnt` does not work.12:08
PaulePanterVery strange.12:08
ZogG_laptopPaulePanter: you do not mount partition12:09
ZogG_laptopPaulePanter: PaulePanter try to mount /dev/sdb1 instead12:09
ZogG_laptopand for more info do sudo fdisk -l12:10
PaulePanterZogG_laptop: `dmesg` does not show that any partitions are present.12:10
ZogG_laptopas well as you may need -t vfat12:10
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PaulePanterI think I tried mounting `/dev/sdb1` but this did not work either.12:10
ZogG_laptopPaulePanter: than check with fdisk -l12:10
PaulePanterI do not have access to the N9 right now and will report back later.12:11
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ZogG_laptoplemme mount mine and tell you12:11
PaulePanterZogG_laptop: Thanks. Something must be amiss, since if it were a common problem, there should be a lot more reports about that.12:15
PaulePanterZogG_laptop: It would be great if you could post, `dmesg`, `udevadm --monitor`, `ls -l /dev/sdb*`, `udisks --mount /dev/sdb` and `udisks --dump` somewhere.12:15
ZogG_laptophmm it does mount as drive and not partition12:16
PaulePanter`/sbin/udevadm monitor` (without »--«) and run before plugging it in.12:16
ZogG_laptopwich is strange for me12:16
ZogG_laptop//dev/sdc on /media/4E91-CA1D type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec,flush)12:17
PaulePanterThe N9 I saw had been recovered several times.12:17
ZogG_laptopPaulePanter: as well i have problems to mount sometimes as N9 says the media storage in use12:17
ZogG_laptopi think its callrecorder bug12:17
PaulePanterZogG_laptop: Is that reported somewhere already?12:20
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ZogG_laptopPaulePanter: just wrote email to him. and i do solved the problem, the question is if you have same problem or not relavent one?12:24
ZogG_laptopPaulePanter: ok, try to catch me when you have N912:26
ZogG_laptopto check wht exactly the problem12:26
ZogG_laptopas we would need fdisk and check if the problem not on N99 itself12:26
ZogG_laptopn99 =) lol12:26
ZogG_laptopback from the future12:32
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PaulePanterZogG_laptop: Thanks. I will get back to you.12:44
Khertan_Workouch my sync bug is that two float which have the same value aren't equal for python interpreter12:45
Khertan_WorkDEBUG: Local entry newer: 1335939865.79 ( <type 'float'> ), 1335939865.79 :( <type 'float'> )12:45
Khertan_Workmouarf !12:45
phakoKhertan_Work: never compare floats for equality12:50
Khertan_Workyeah ... i notice :)12:50
phakothat just doesn't work12:50
phakoin no language12:50
phakomaybe fortran ;)12:50
Khertan_Workeven for < >12:50
Khertan_Workphako: it s works in fortran :)12:50
Khertan_Workphako: so how did you compare timestamp ?12:50
phakolike I said ;)12:50
phakowhy are they float?12:51
phakodo you need sub-second accurancy?12:51
Khertan_Workbecause file.stats() return it as float12:51
Khertan_Workand because the sync api return nano seconds in the timestamp12:51
Khertan_Workphako: yeah i prefer to keep the  sub second12:51
Khertan_Workps : it s works also in 4D language12:52
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Khertan_Workeven with < and > it s didn't works12:52
Khertan_Workwhich works in c12:52
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Khertan_Workfunny as it s works on desktop, not on device12:53
Khertan_Worklook like the conversion from the json module return something different12:53
Khertan_Workbut which are a float for the python interpreter12:54
jonniuse os.stat12:54
Khertan_Workand repr is the same12:54
Khertan_Workjonni: os.utime give float12:54
Khertan_Workos.stat().mtime return float too :)12:54
jonniit shouldnt, or python sucks12:54
Khertan_Workon this part ... yes12:55
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Khertan_Workjonni: if filesystem / kernel support it, it s return with nano seconds12:56
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Khertan_Workhihi ... reason of the difference ... precision aren't the same on standard python float, and in the json module (which are part of the standard library)13:06
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faenilguys, what do you do if you have the same long qml file, but you need different imports for different platforms?13:15
MohammadAGHave a bool in a C++ backend13:16
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MohammadAGLike Backend::isSymbian()13:17
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MohammadAG#ifdef Q_OS_SYMBIAN13:17
MohammadAG    return true;13:18
MohammadAG     return false;13:18
MohammadAGTyping code on ios is annoying13:18
Khertan_Workon ios ?13:18
MohammadAGOh and an #endif is missing13:19
Khertan_Workyou can write on ios ?13:19
aquariusElleo, before, you said that I need to build my u1fn9 package in scratchbox because if I do it just in normal Ubuntu it won't do the aegis stuff? Can you explain that? I was wondering about having launchpad recipes do my builds ;)13:19
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Khertan_Worki think this was just a paiment terminal13:19
MohammadAGI have an iPhone13:19
faenilMohammadAG, disconnected, did you reply?13:19
Khertan_WorkMohammadAG: shame on you13:19
MohammadAGfaenil: Yes check log13:19
MohammadAGKhertan_Work: Not really, I needed some apps that'd never come to Maemo13:20
MohammadAGAnd I prefer iOS over android13:20
Khertan_Workmore funny with float compare in python is that a simple testcase didn't show the error, should be somewhere in some optimization13:20
faenilMohammadAG, yeah I know how to do that :)13:20
Khertan_WorkMohammadAG: oh really ?13:20
faenilwhat I meant is, what once you have that bool...can you do "if (symbian) import A else import B" on qml side?13:21
Khertan_WorkMohammadAG: (i mean for apps not in maemo, for android i can clearly understand your point of view)13:21
MohammadAGMost probably yes13:21
Khertan_Workfaenil: or loader13:21
faenilotherwise it's useless :D13:21
Khertan_Workfaenil: for the moment it s useless13:21
MohammadAGfaenil: Simple test13:22
faenilKhertan_Work, using multiple qmls which are the same but for one line is not good :D13:22
MohammadAGif (false) import fusucuxfygj13:22
MohammadAGIf it errors...13:22
Khertan_Workfaenil: the qml philosophy is on qml view by plateform13:22
Khertan_Work(even if i hate that)13:22
MohammadAGKhertan_Work: WhatsApp, iMessage, Viber (eww)13:23
faenilKhertan_Work, what do you mean?13:23
faenilMohammadAG, anyway I don't think you can make qml read variables from c++ before even the root item has been initialized13:24
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MohammadAGalterego: Ping13:24
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faeniluni wifi keeps kicking me out13:25
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MohammadAGfaenil: If you can't then you probably a MITM file13:26
faenilman in the middle? :D13:26
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MohammadAGAs in imports.qml which has imports that are platform specific13:27
faenilalright, wait there13:27
MohammadAGYou fill that in Debian/rules13:27
faenildon't you need to import modules in every qml file?13:27
alteregoMohammadAG: pong13:28
faenilyou can't create an import.qml and then create all the other qml files without "import" at the beginning13:28
MohammadAGI'd imagine if you import x from a file then import the file in y, y would have c13:28
faenilI'd imagine that too...13:29
faenilbut since all examples use import in all qml files, not just the root one, I have some doubts about that13:29
MohammadAGalterego: Can a C++ backend be used to manage qml imports?13:29
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alteregoHow do you mean "manage"? :)13:29
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MohammadAGIf on symbian, import this, on Maemo, that13:29
alteregoHmmm ..13:30
MohammadAGThe backend would just provide bools13:30
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Khertan_Worki was looking in Qt5 but even in qt 5 i didn't see conditional import13:30
faenilfreaking wifi!13:30
Khertan_Workeven if there are so request about that13:30
alteregoI'd probably dynamically load dependencies rather than do it in C++13:31
faenilsome people suggested using c preprocessor, and that's a nice hack...13:31
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faenilalterego, like what?13:31
alteregoIt all seems kind of wrong to me :P13:31
faenilalterego, you have more qml files, more platforms, they all use same qml lines, but imports are different13:31
faenildo you keep more qml files which are all the same but the import lines?13:32
faenilthat's not maintenable at all :D13:32
faenilto create what?13:32
alteregoTo create the component you're trying to import.13:33
alteregoRather than doing it declaratively.13:33
faenilnot a component, a module13:33
alteregoif(meego) {var component = Qt.createComponent("MeegoButton.qml"); ...}13:33
faenilI want import QtQuick 4.7 instead of QtQuick 1.113:33
faenilfor example13:33
faenilalterego, I think you didn't get the problem :)13:34
MohammadAGNow he did13:34
alteregoYeah, I get you now.13:34
Venemo_N950there is no such thing as QtQuick 4.713:34
faenilVenemo_N950, it was just an example :P13:34
MohammadAGQt 4.713:34
faenilnot my case13:34
alteregoUnfortunately no.13:34
faenilI actually have import symbian components and import android components13:34
faenilthe rest of the file is exactly the same13:35
alteregoBecause you'd need a conditional import in _every_ QML file.13:35
faenilI managed string differences with c++13:35
faenilalterego, exactly13:35
alteregoMaybe if you could provide null modules for the platforms that aren't present.13:35
faenilthat's a nice hack :P13:36
faenilc preprocessor is better maybe13:36
MohammadAGalterego: So can't he have an imports.qml file that does impirts based on bools provided by a C++ backend?13:36
alteregoMohammadAG: no, each QML file is a namespace in it's own right.13:36
faenilargh, my doubt was true... :(13:36
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alteregoWhat we need is an "include" to compliment "import" :)13:36
alteregoWe have it in the JS engine Qt.include ..13:37
MohammadAGSpeaking of preprocessors13:37
alteregoShame we don't have it in the QML world.13:37
MohammadAGAnyone good at writing those?13:37
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faenilargh my doubt was true :(13:37
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Venemo_N950there is no qml preprocessor that I'm aware of13:38
MohammadAGI'm referring to C13:39
Venemo_N950MohammadAG, what exactly are you going to achieve by this?13:39
Khertan_Worksomeone know a way to use openntp on n9 ?13:39
Khertan_Workdoesn't seems to work on my device13:39
MohammadAGSomething similar to Theos's Logos on ios13:39
Venemo_N950MohammadAG, if you'd like to selectively load some qml, you can do that in some other way.13:39
Venemo_N950i'm unfamiliar with ios13:39
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wookwhere to get PIL?13:42
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Venemo_N950i don't see what good this would be13:43
MohammadAGHooking on Maemo...13:44
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faenilo/ wook13:46
wooko/ ragazza :)13:47
wooksup bro?13:47
Khertan_Workwook: apt-get install python-imaging on fremantle13:47
wookhow's goin?13:47
wookKhertan_Work, thanx13:47
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faenil_let's see if it works from webchat13:49
wookfaenil, it is because you have lousy connection :P13:49
wookit is not due to irc13:49
faenil_it's not IRC, I know...13:50
faenil_it's this stupid uni connection13:50
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wookregister nick and use ghost commands to kill stucked one13:51
Elleoaquarius: turns out that might not be an issue, apparently Nokia's QA aren't rejecting packages that don't have proper aegis digisums, so you might be alright13:57
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Elleoaquarius: ideally you'll want to setup an OBS account at at some point too, so you could just upload your .dsc and .tar.gz from launchpad when you want to make an official release and it'll rebuild them with digisums13:58
Elleoaquarius: that way you'll be able to submit them into apps for meego as well13:59
aquariusElleo, ah, right13:59
Elleoaquarius: basically aegis creates a digital signature of all your files to make sure they don't get changes13:59
aquariusElleo, so the aegis stuff is some sort of cryptography magic? It's not just a line in the file sayng "these permissions"?14:00
aquariusso launchpad won't be able to do that in a recipe because it doesn't have the code to do the signing. gotcha.14:00
aquariusdarn :)14:00
aquariusnot that building is hard, of course.14:00
Elleothen destroy your device if someone modifies them outside of the package14:00
Elleoaquarius: yeah, but it seems nokia are accepting packages that don't have proper signatures, so you might be able to get away with it14:01
Elleobut if you have OBS do your final builds before release you'll get signing done for you then14:02
Elleoand you could have launchpad automatically build all your testing packages, and creating the .dsc and .tar.gz for you14:02
aquariusElleo, mm, true14:02
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gavinrharperHello! Is there any way on the N9 and Qt (C++) to add notifications without dealing with the OVI notifications?14:03
gavinrharperThat is, I want my application to raise an activity alert14:03
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* Khertan_Work is downloading tizen sdk... just for fun to see how poor it is :)15:32
Elleowell its UI is based around EFL which is pretty nice for mobile stuff, and means a fair amount of old openmoko stuff should be portable easily (as well as the web api stuff)15:33
Elleoassuming they're going to let you ship EFL based apps and not *just* web ones15:34
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Khertan_WorkElleo: funny as i ll not the following words in the same sentence : pretty nice, mobile, and efl15:37
Khertan_Works/not/not put15:38
ElleoI found illume and elementary to be pretty good from my experience with openmoko in the past15:38
Elleodespite the hardware platform being woefully underpowered EFL did a pretty impressive job15:39
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Khertan_Workgrrrr just discover that timestamp in javascript ... is since epoch in milliseconds15:52
Khertan_Worknot seconds15:52
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tom_Just out of interest, has anyone been able use their n9 as a wifi hotspot using wicd on linux? For me it only seems to work if encryption is disabled.17:34
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junglizerI haven't tried, however there is supposedly an app called "ad-hac" that "fixes" the wifi hotspot17:47
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Khertan_Worktom___:  didn't notice any problem on my netbook17:54
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junglizercan someone help me figure out what is wrong with my N9/how to charge it?17:56
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junglizerI need to reflash it, but to my knowledge the battery is dead17:56
junglizerI currently have it plugged in to the wall. Using the provided adapter/cable17:56
junglizerbut there are no lights17:57
tom___Khertan_Work: out of interest, are you using wep 64/128, and what encryption method do you use in wicd? (wep hex is auto-selected, but I am dubious if that is right)17:57
Khertan_Workwep 12817:59
Khertan_Workwep hex in wicd17:59
tom___cool, thanks.  I will troubleshoot some more.17:59
Khertan_Workbut getting connection is kinda slow17:59
tom___does it seem to fail a couple of times?  I wonder if I am just being impatient.18:00
Khertan_Worki didn't use it often, but yep i remember that first time it s failed a couple of time before working18:00
tom___cool thanks.  at least I know it isn't a lost cause.18:01
Khertan_Worki was using the version of wicd that is available in debian stable squeeze18:01
tom___ah, I am on testing, but could always try the stable build - one more thing to try.18:03
junglizerso... if the N9 is dead but plugged in should there be a light to show it's charging?18:17
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gabriel9junglizer: how's your N9?18:29
junglizergabriel9: I don't think it's charging18:30
junglizershould there be lights on it when plugged in? even when dead?18:30
gabriel9it should18:30
gabriel9can you turn it on?18:30
gabriel9or is it still dead?18:31
junglizerit's still dead18:31
junglizerit's plugged into the wall charger18:31
junglizerbut no lights18:31
junglizerif i unplug/replug the cable it lights up, but then turns off after about 30secs - 1 minute18:31
junglizerif I unplug it and hold the power button18:31
junglizerit vibrates, and the light comes on. but then nothing and the light blinks slowly and shuts off after about 30 seconds18:32
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gabriel9one time i also have some issues like that18:32
gabriel9i tried couple of times18:33
gabriel9and it worked18:33
junglizerwhat did you "try?"18:33
gabriel9turn it on18:33
gabriel9when it dies i tried again18:33
junglizerdid it actually turn on?18:34
junglizerlike I get the vibrate, and the light, then it goes all blinky18:34
gabriel9i was thinking it died18:35
gabriel9but then i turn charger in it and tried couple of times18:35
junglizerI'll probably just have to fiddle with it when I get home later18:36
gabriel9what firmware was it on it?18:36
gabriel91.2 1.118:36
gabriel9also try reflash18:37
gabriel9it is easy18:37
junglizerreflash can't detect it18:39
junglizerwhich I beleive is b/c the battery is dead18:39
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djszapiitsnotabigtruck: do you know if irc-chatter supports SASL ?19:59
djszapifreenode began to require that in a certain range today, and I cannot connect anymore to freenode on my phone with SASL support.19:59
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jpwhitingdjszapi: itsnotabigtruck: either of you know how to get libqtcore4-dbg installed on an updated N9?20:12
jpwhitingwhen I try with apt-get it says the libqtcore4 is too old or something20:13
jpwhitingI've also tried with debug-dep-install script, with the same result20:13
djszapiforce ?20:13
jpwhitingyeah, but then the debug symbols wouldn't match what is actually running, right?20:14
djszapiwell, if you can install the same version that is better.20:14
djszapijsut use the same on the device and sb20:14
djszapiaka. no devel internal version on the n9 etc20:15
jpwhitingdjszapi: how can I get that though, some other apt source?20:15
djszapibut in the first place: why would libqtcore4 be buggy ? :)20:15
djszapiunsure what you are doing, but sounds a weird guess :p20:15
djszapiI do not know which versions you use, but try to match them20:15
jpwhitingboth libqtcore4 and libqtcore4-dbg are 4.7.4 but different git versions in the package name20:16
jpwhitingso apt doesn't like it somehow20:16
djszapitry to match them.20:16
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jpwhitingah, I see the libqtcore4-dbg is git20110517 but the libqtcore4 I already have installed is git2012012520:18
jpwhitingso where can I get the -dbg for git20120125 from?20:18
djszapiwow, that is very outdated package.20:18
jpwhitingall these listed on that link you gave are also git20110517...20:19
jpwhitingbut yes, it's old indeed20:19
djszapiwell to be honest, the sdk repo is not meant for the device20:19
djszapiand Nokia perhaps does not provide -dbg packages either20:20
djszapiso you might need to build your package.20:20
jpwhitingug, ok20:20
djszapibut I have not been involved with harmattan for quite a while20:21
djszapiso my knowledge is quite outdated.20:21
jpwhitingyep, gotcha, np20:21
djszapiitsnotabigtruck is the updated harmattan help desk xD20:21
djszapior jonni :)20:21
* jpwhiting reads and tries to force20:22
djszapiwhy not just build a community dbg package ?20:23
jpwhitingon or something?20:23
djszapiperhaps it is not too much of an urgent need though.20:24
djszapimay I ask why you need this ?20:24
jpwhitingto see why my app is crashing 3 times out of 420:24
jpwhitingin libQtCore20:24
djszapido you have a workhorse for your app ?20:25
djszapiI mean some skeleton triggering the issue ?20:25
jpwhitingwhat do you mean?20:25
jpwhitingif I don't put a Task property in qml it only crashes 1 out of 3 times20:25
jpwhitingwhere Task is my own QObject based class that is registered with qml20:26
djszapican you show the code ?20:26
djszapiorders mattered in qtquick120:26
jpwhitingyep, one sec20:26
jpwhitingit's all on github, but may not be the crashy code up there20:26
djszapipush the crashy code xD20:26
djszapisome paste site is fine IMO.20:27
jpwhitingdjszapi: has the crashy library20:36
djszapijpwhiting: unfortunately I need to leave, sorry. :(20:37
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jpwhitingdjszapi: ah, np20:41
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itsnotabigtruckjpwhiting: i think your best bet is to grab the pr1.2 gpl iso and build qt21:21
itsnotabigtruckwhich is going to take forever btw21:21
jpwhitingitsnotabigtruck: where's the iso?21:21
itsnotabigtruckuh, just search sdk_sources_pr1.2iso21:21
itsnotabigtruckyeah, that21:21
jpwhitingyeah, probably will take some time, but maybe wont be too bad on the build service21:21
djszapiitsnotabigtruck: do you have any ideas about the sasl stuff for irc-chatter ?21:22
djszapikinda super important question to me :)21:22
djszapias an irc addict.21:22
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itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: i don't think it does21:26
djszapiitsnotabigtruck: then bye bye irc'ing on the bug, train etc for me :(21:26
itsnotabigtruckor patch irc chatter21:26
djszapiI do not have time for this, unfortunately.21:26
RST38hit may be for the better you know21:27
itsnotabigtrucki wonder if it would be possible to build a GUI for chats via telepathy that could coexist with the messaging app21:27
RST38hyou have time to irc right?21:27
RST38huse some of that time to be useful21:27
djszapiitsnotabigtruck: I advised the same idea 1-2 years ago21:27
djszapinobody cared :(21:27
djszapiRST38h: irrelevant, since all the discussion on irc is higher priority than fixing irc-chatter21:27
djszapiif I cannot use, I will re-schedule my activity, that is, but no time for yet another project next to the zillion others.21:28
itsnotabigtrucknobody inside nokia cared? well, i guess it isn't exactly a normal use case21:28
itsnotabigtruckiirc it's possible actually to use the messaging app with a chat room if you connect telepathy to it with the cmdline21:29
djszapinor Nokia, nor community21:29
itsnotabigtruckit even gives each person their own color21:29
djszapito be precise21:29
itsnotabigtruckthere wasn't exactly a harmattan dev community 2 years ago21:29
itsnotabigtruckand barely so 1 year ago21:29
djszapiof there was21:30
djszapiI personally started the pastime development for Harmattan in 201021:30
djszapiand I know other devs as well who were not paid for that.21:31
djszapiin any case, freenode is not usable with irc-chatter for certain people including me.21:32
djszapinot that, it would be a bugfree irc client anyway.21:33
itsnotabigtruckwell, you were working for nokia...teh sdk wasn't even released until spring 2011, no?21:33
itsnotabigtrucknot to mention no one except very very few had hardware until summer21:33
djszapitrust me many Nokians had hardware21:34
djszapiwho already spent their leisure time to make something useful with it.21:34
djszapiyou do not know does not mean there was not :-)21:37
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itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: well, i'm talking about when this stuff became available to the masses because you're lamenting that the masses didn't build something21:39
djszapiright, so you were not explaining yourself clearly.21:40
djszapiin any case, nobody cared about this21:40
djszapithat is still correct.21:40
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tgalal_has anyone managed to get python-accounts to work?21:49
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itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon: fix your crap22:19
itsnotabigtruckyeesh :p22:19
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itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon: wtf was just happening w/ your irc client?22:35
itsnotabigtruckit seems to be doing it periodically, it's not the 1st time22:36
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PaulePanterSazpaimon: The error was `Max SendQ exceeded`.22:41
CreamyG31337the server is kicking him for getting too much data at once, or more like being too slow to receive the data22:44
CreamyG31337so the queue on the server is full and he gets booted22:45
itsnotabigtruckit's probably a malfunctioning irc client22:45
itsnotabigtruckjoin/kill loops like that are almost always because of that22:46
CreamyG31337it's common if you join large channels because the list of users is too long, it will instantly fill the queue22:46
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CreamyG31337ummm does the keyboard even close?22:51
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itsnotabigtruckCreamyG31337: i think so22:59
itsnotabigtruckit's not exactly elegant though22:59
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Sazpaimonitsnotabigtruck, freenode doesnt like my 20 channel autojoin list23:44
itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon: lol23:45
itsnotabigtruckyeah, stop doing that :p23:45
Sazpaimonbut I have 20 channels that I participate in23:45
Sazpaimondoes freenode just want me to stop participating?23:45
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ZogG_laptopSazpaimon: it wants you to have a life23:59
Sazpaimoni actually just got a haircut today23:59
Sazpaimonthat counts right?23:59

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