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| DocScrutinizer | invented first for German telephone books data used by competitor klicktel, who wasn't allowed to even scan&OCR the "official" phonebook, so they hired some 200 dudes in Bangalore, locked them in a 'clean room' where they looked up every single phonenumber-name-addr tuple in official paper book and typed it in to terminals | 00:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe I'm mistaken for the "first" part | 00:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's not really clean room reverse engineering | 00:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because there's no reverse engineering going on | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, that's where it all started | 00:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's just cloning data | 00:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the clean room part is because the implementor isn't exposed to the original product/code/etc. | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course no "engineering" of any metrics involved :-D | 00:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | preventing the new implementation from being influenced by the old implementation, outside of what gets written into the spec | 00:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the idea is to prevent the original vendor from being able to copyright infringement or something like that | 00:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: is it where the phrase came from or it was just one of the examples? | 00:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | since there's no actual implementation going on, that example doesn't sound right | 00:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: but if you use their website and servers, isn't it copyright matters? | 00:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: no | 00:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | copyright has to do with copying stuff | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | the example is about (C) | 00:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | whether you connect to their server is mostly irrelevant | 00:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | uh oh | 00:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the tornado siren just went off | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | but since tgalal 's app AIUI is just violating a site's TOS, the whole cleanroom idea is inapplicable | 00:14 |
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| aquarius | still no wazapp, huh? :) | 00:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | tgalal: as i live in middle east as well i would bring you cookies to prison =D | 00:16 |
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| tgalal_ | DocScrutinizer went with your way and it's working awesome! thanks! | 01:09 |
| tgalal_ | wtf is wrong with mn nick lol | 01:10 |
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| djszapi | Hey! Hmm. How can I get the argument of a signal in qml, if I use onSignal ? | 07:22 |
| djszapi | for instance the signal has a boolean argument. | 07:23 |
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| CreamyG31337 | by its name from c++ i think | 08:19 |
| CreamyG31337 | or was it a qml signal | 08:19 |
| djszapi | sorry ? | 08:20 |
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| CreamyG31337 | this is from c++ side: void newLogInfo(const QVariant &LogText); | 08:25 |
| CreamyG31337 | qml file gets signal and does this: txtLog.text = Qt.formatTime(new Date(),"hh:mm:ss") + ": " + LogText; | 08:25 |
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| CreamyG31337 | should work, qml code is in "onNewLogInfo:" which is the name of the signal | 08:28 |
| CreamyG31337 | https://gitorious.org/opptimizer-n9/opptimizer-complete/blobs/master/OptUI/main.h | 08:30 |
| CreamyG31337 | hope that helps | 08:30 |
| CreamyG31337 | i have to go shoot things now | 08:30 |
| djszapi | CreamyG31337: http://paste.kde.org/467090/ | 08:30 |
| CreamyG31337 | no, their docs are wrong | 08:31 |
| CreamyG31337 | nokia fucked up and forgot to implement that and left us no easy way to make switches work in qml properly | 08:32 |
| CreamyG31337 | seriously | 08:32 |
| CreamyG31337 | use a timer | 08:32 |
| djszapi | sorry ? | 08:32 |
| CreamyG31337 | there is no onToggled | 08:33 |
| djszapi | then I will use onClicked, but for surely not a timer. | 08:35 |
| CreamyG31337 | onCheckedChanged | 08:35 |
| CreamyG31337 | you will see when the component is created that fires and will put in a timer :) | 08:36 |
| CreamyG31337 | please prove me wrong | 08:36 |
| djszapi | makes no sense | 08:36 |
| CreamyG31337 | but thats how i had to do it | 08:37 |
| CreamyG31337 | good luck :P | 08:37 |
| djszapi | since I still need to manually track the state. Meanwhile, I do not need with onClicked. | 08:37 |
| djszapi | anyway, thanks for your time! | 08:38 |
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| CreamyG31337 | https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTCOMPONENTS-1215?page=com.atlassian.streams.streams-jira-plugin:activity-stream-issue-tab | 08:38 |
| CreamyG31337 | yeah no problem | 08:39 |
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| rainisto | ohwell djszapi should just read the api ducumentation better, there is no manual tracking needed. | 09:18 |
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| rainisto | switches work in qml just fine if you read how they should be used. | 09:21 |
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| djszapi | Hey! Is irc-chatter is broken for others as well in case freenode ? I am getting written by "You need to use SASL for using this server". | 10:32 |
| djszapi | This happened to me after re-connecting this morning. | 10:32 |
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| Khertan_Work | Morning guys | 10:45 |
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| Khertan_Work | someone still use or have a device with PR1.1 ? | 10:45 |
| Khertan_Work | Ovi Store QA guys have now found an other excuse to not validate KhtSimpleText | 10:45 |
| Khertan_Work | so i'll be sure that it s not working on pr1.1 | 10:46 |
| Khertan_Work | because previous qa was ... there is file outside /opt ... yeah .desktop and .service ... of course | 10:46 |
| Khertan_Work | look like they found an excuse after seven days to refuse QA instead of doing it | 10:47 |
| phako | Khertan_Work: there are people | 10:48 |
| phako | swisscom users e.g. | 10:48 |
| Khertan_Work | phako: yeah the purpose is does there is one here that want to try KhtSimpleText on his device :) | 10:50 |
| phako | Khertan_Work: ah | 10:50 |
| phako | Khertan_Work: I can check | 10:50 |
| * phako has the power to downgrade | 10:50 | |
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| phako | Khertan_Work: link? | 10:51 |
| rainisto | I think that I still have a few devices with pr 1.0 and 1.1 | 10:56 |
| djszapi | rainisto: jonni ? :) | 10:56 |
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| Elleo | I suspect they secretly don't want anything to pass QA because they've forgotten how to publish harmattan apps in the store ;) | 10:57 |
| jonni | ah yes, secondary nick was in use | 10:57 |
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| Khertan_Work | phako: sorry boss in the office :) i'm uploading it | 11:04 |
| Khertan_Work | phako: http://khertan.net/downloads/khtsimpletext_0.4.3-1_armel.deb | 11:06 |
| Khertan_Work | Elleo: but they let pass rss apps that claim being game which are sold for 4.5 Euros | 11:07 |
| Elleo | Khertan_Work: within the past few weeks? | 11:09 |
| Elleo | I haven't seen anything change in the "New" queue in a couple of weeks | 11:09 |
| Elleo | although actually looking now there appears to have been some updates | 11:11 |
| Elleo | I wonder why my stuff is still just stuck waiting :/ | 11:11 |
| jonni | Khertan_Work: most likely you will get fail for /usr/share/pixamps, I think that you need to put that png inside /opt/ | 11:12 |
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| Khertan_Work | jonni: hum ... and where did you put the icon ? | 11:15 |
| Khertan_Work | jonni: the launcher need it at this place | 11:15 |
| jonni | Khertan_Work: you should put it in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/80x80/apps | 11:15 |
| phako | jonni: No, that's fine | 11:17 |
| phako | er | 11:17 |
| phako | no, you're right | 11:17 |
| Khertan_Work | seriously ? | 11:17 |
| Khertan_Work | that QA rules seriously sucks | 11:18 |
| phako | Khertan_Work: although that should be ok | 11:18 |
| phako | ah no. /usr/share/pixmaps. Nevermind me | 11:18 |
| phako | Khertan_Work: well it's in the rules | 11:18 |
| Khertan_Work | anyway it s not the reason of the fail this time | 11:18 |
| Khertan_Work | phako: which one ? this change every weeks | 11:19 |
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| phako | the "what systempath use is ok" | 11:19 |
| phako | Khertan_Work: doesn't start for me | 11:19 |
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| Khertan_Work | phako: oh ? | 11:20 |
| Khertan_Work | this means invoker is different in 1.1 ? | 11:20 |
| Khertan_Work | :( | 11:20 |
| Khertan_Work | pfff | 11:20 |
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| Khertan_Work | phako: can you try in a terminal : /usr/bin/invoker --type=e -n -s python /opt/khtsimpletext/__init__.py | 11:21 |
| phako | Khertan_Work: sec. | 11:21 |
| Khertan_Work | please and give me the error if there is any | 11:21 |
| jonni | it doesnt start for me even on pr1.2 | 11:22 |
| Khertan_Work | jonni: uh ... | 11:23 |
| Khertan_Work | jonni: works well on my device ... strange | 11:23 |
| Khertan_Work | maybe a diff in real pr and n950 beta pr ? | 11:23 |
| Khertan_Work | jonni: any error reported ? | 11:23 |
| jonni | Khertan_Work: http://pastebin.com/3tcHfVWQ | 11:24 |
| Khertan_Work | OH !!! Nice !!!! Thanks | 11:25 |
| Khertan_Work | a dependancy is missing on real firmware | 11:25 |
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| Khertan_Work | pyside was installed by default on mine | 11:25 |
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| Elleo | Khertan_Work: pyside is split into lots of packages, you need to explicitly depend on python-pyside.qtopengl | 11:26 |
| Elleo | (and any other pyside packages you use) | 11:26 |
| Elleo | also it looks like that package wasn't built using aegis friendly tools, as the digisums haven't been created | 11:26 |
| Elleo | http://pastebin.com/K7kDwtx9 | 11:27 |
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| Khertan_Work | Elleo: yeah package isn't built with aegis friendly tool, but it s not a problem :) | 11:28 |
| Khertan_Work | until now at least | 11:28 |
| Khertan_Work | Elleo: yeah i depends already on some, but as my device have all of them preinstalled, i forgot one without noticing it | 11:29 |
| Khertan_Work | thx | 11:29 |
| Elleo | okay, wasn't sure if QA would reject for that | 11:29 |
| Elleo | no worries | 11:29 |
| Khertan_Work | Elleo: they didn't reject it the first time :) | 11:29 |
| Elleo | you expect them to be consistent? ;) | 11:29 |
| Khertan_Work | no | 11:30 |
| jonni | thats only warning, shouldnt be a problem. but yes app starts when I install that depency | 11:30 |
| Khertan_Work | but if this is the case, i ll not blame them this time ... as i use my own tool for packaging, and adding aegis digisum is in my todo list :) | 11:30 |
| Khertan_Work | so now have to wait an other week to see which rules changes ;) | 11:32 |
| * Khertan_Work thanks you for your help ! | 11:33 | |
| * Khertan_Work will be back to fix his sync issue on KhtNotes | 11:33 | |
| jonni | Khertan_Work: and you will also get QA reject for your version number (0.4.3) as all ovi store apps needs to start with 1.0.0, so you better fix that one too before resubmit with right depencies. | 11:44 |
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| Elleo | hmm, one of mine got accepted as version 0.2 | 11:44 |
| jonni | well then it depends who is reviewing the app, they are supposed to reject if it doesnt start with 1 | 11:45 |
| Elleo | ah well, guess the next version will get a giant number bump then | 11:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | lol | 11:48 |
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| ZogG_laptop | good logic - crappy app with version over9000 or good app with version 0.2 =) | 11:49 |
| Khertan_Work | jonni: oh really ? | 11:49 |
| Khertan_Work | an other stupid rule | 11:50 |
| Khertan_Work | jonni: thx for the tips | 11:52 |
| Khertan_Work | Giant bump done | 11:53 |
| Khertan_Work | :) | 11:53 |
| Khertan_Work | maybe i should do it like chrome ... on new major number for any changes :) | 11:54 |
| Khertan_Work | it ll be version 94.0.0 | 11:55 |
| Khertan_Work | :) | 11:55 |
| Khertan_Work | someone know what means the "Provide new metadata here" link on content ? | 11:56 |
| Khertan_Work | look like all metadata are ok ... but i still got this message | 11:56 |
| PaulePanter | Any idea on the following report regarding mounting the N9 as an USB storage device? | 11:58 |
| PaulePanter | <http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=671161> | 11:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | PaulePanter: what the problem exactly? | 12:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | PaulePanter: you don't mount it right =) | 12:03 |
| PaulePanter | ZogG_laptop: Even plain mount does not work. The error is »No medium inserted.« | 12:05 |
| PaulePanter | The problem seems to be the system things this is a floppy or CD drive, where you can insert a medium. | 12:06 |
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| PaulePanter | But since it is not removable the system always thinks no medium is inserted since no event is sent to the system indicating a media is inserted. | 12:07 |
| PaulePanter | ZogG_laptop: `/lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules` has the following line. | 12:07 |
| PaulePanter | SUBSYSTEM=="block", ATTRS{removable}=="1", GROUP="floppy" | 12:07 |
| PaulePanter | Usually `udisks --mount /dev/sdb` should work. But even `sudo mount /dev/sdb /mnt` does not work. | 12:08 |
| PaulePanter | Very strange. | 12:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | PaulePanter: you do not mount partition | 12:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | PaulePanter: PaulePanter try to mount /dev/sdb1 instead | 12:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | and for more info do sudo fdisk -l | 12:10 |
| PaulePanter | ZogG_laptop: `dmesg` does not show that any partitions are present. | 12:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | as well as you may need -t vfat | 12:10 |
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| PaulePanter | I think I tried mounting `/dev/sdb1` but this did not work either. | 12:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | PaulePanter: than check with fdisk -l | 12:10 |
| PaulePanter | I do not have access to the N9 right now and will report back later. | 12:11 |
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| ZogG_laptop | lemme mount mine and tell you | 12:11 |
| PaulePanter | ZogG_laptop: Thanks. Something must be amiss, since if it were a common problem, there should be a lot more reports about that. | 12:15 |
| PaulePanter | ZogG_laptop: It would be great if you could post, `dmesg`, `udevadm --monitor`, `ls -l /dev/sdb*`, `udisks --mount /dev/sdb` and `udisks --dump` somewhere. | 12:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | hmm it does mount as drive and not partition | 12:16 |
| PaulePanter | `/sbin/udevadm monitor` (without »--«) and run before plugging it in. | 12:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | wich is strange for me | 12:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | //dev/sdc on /media/4E91-CA1D type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec,flush) | 12:17 |
| PaulePanter | The N9 I saw had been recovered several times. | 12:17 |
| PaulePanter | s,recovored,reflashed, | 12:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | PaulePanter: as well i have problems to mount sometimes as N9 says the media storage in use | 12:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think its callrecorder bug | 12:17 |
| PaulePanter | ZogG_laptop: Is that reported somewhere already? | 12:20 |
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| ZogG_laptop | PaulePanter: just wrote email to him. and i do solved the problem, the question is if you have same problem or not relavent one? | 12:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | PaulePanter: ok, try to catch me when you have N9 | 12:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | to check wht exactly the problem | 12:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | as we would need fdisk and check if the problem not on N99 itself | 12:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | n99 =) lol | 12:26 |
| auenf | http://feetup.org/wiki/NokiaN99 | 12:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | back from the future | 12:32 |
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| PaulePanter | ZogG_laptop: Thanks. I will get back to you. | 12:44 |
| Khertan_Work | ouch my sync bug is that two float which have the same value aren't equal for python interpreter | 12:45 |
| Khertan_Work | funny | 12:45 |
| Khertan_Work | DEBUG: Local entry newer: 1335939865.79 ( <type 'float'> ), 1335939865.79 :( <type 'float'> ) | 12:45 |
| Khertan_Work | mouarf ! | 12:45 |
| phako | Khertan_Work: never compare floats for equality | 12:50 |
| Khertan_Work | yeah ... i notice :) | 12:50 |
| phako | that just doesn't work | 12:50 |
| phako | in no language | 12:50 |
| phako | maybe fortran ;) | 12:50 |
| Khertan_Work | even for < > | 12:50 |
| Khertan_Work | phako: it s works in fortran :) | 12:50 |
| Khertan_Work | phako: so how did you compare timestamp ? | 12:50 |
| phako | like I said ;) | 12:50 |
| phako | why are they float? | 12:51 |
| phako | do you need sub-second accurancy? | 12:51 |
| Khertan_Work | because file.stats() return it as float | 12:51 |
| Khertan_Work | and because the sync api return nano seconds in the timestamp | 12:51 |
| Khertan_Work | phako: yeah i prefer to keep the sub second | 12:51 |
| Khertan_Work | ps : it s works also in 4D language | 12:52 |
| Khertan_Work | :) | 12:52 |
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| Khertan_Work | even with < and > it s didn't works | 12:52 |
| Khertan_Work | which works in c | 12:52 |
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| Khertan_Work | funny as it s works on desktop, not on device | 12:53 |
| Khertan_Work | look like the conversion from the json module return something different | 12:53 |
| Khertan_Work | but which are a float for the python interpreter | 12:54 |
| jonni | use os.stat | 12:54 |
| Khertan_Work | and repr is the same | 12:54 |
| Khertan_Work | :) | 12:54 |
| Khertan_Work | jonni: os.utime give float | 12:54 |
| Khertan_Work | os.stat().mtime return float too :) | 12:54 |
| jonni | it shouldnt, or python sucks | 12:54 |
| Khertan_Work | :) | 12:55 |
| Khertan_Work | on this part ... yes | 12:55 |
| Khertan_Work | :) | 12:55 |
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| Khertan_Work | jonni: if filesystem / kernel support it, it s return with nano seconds | 12:56 |
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| Khertan_Work | hihi ... reason of the difference ... precision aren't the same on standard python float, and in the json module (which are part of the standard library) | 13:06 |
| Khertan_Work | mouarf | 13:07 |
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| faenil | guys, what do you do if you have the same long qml file, but you need different imports for different platforms? | 13:15 |
| MohammadAG | Have a bool in a C++ backend | 13:16 |
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| MohammadAG | Like Backend::isSymbian() | 13:17 |
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| MohammadAG | { | 13:17 |
| MohammadAG | #ifdef Q_OS_SYMBIAN | 13:17 |
| MohammadAG | return true; | 13:18 |
| MohammadAG | #else | 13:18 |
| MohammadAG | return false; | 13:18 |
| MohammadAG | } | 13:18 |
| MohammadAG | Typing code on ios is annoying | 13:18 |
| Khertan_Work | on ios ? | 13:18 |
| MohammadAG | Oh and an #endif is missing | 13:19 |
| Khertan_Work | you can write on ios ? | 13:19 |
| aquarius | Elleo, before, you said that I need to build my u1fn9 package in scratchbox because if I do it just in normal Ubuntu it won't do the aegis stuff? Can you explain that? I was wondering about having launchpad recipes do my builds ;) | 13:19 |
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| Khertan_Work | i think this was just a paiment terminal | 13:19 |
| MohammadAG | I have an iPhone | 13:19 |
| faenil | MohammadAG, disconnected, did you reply? | 13:19 |
| Khertan_Work | MohammadAG: shame on you | 13:19 |
| MohammadAG | faenil: Yes check log | 13:19 |
| MohammadAG | Khertan_Work: Not really, I needed some apps that'd never come to Maemo | 13:20 |
| MohammadAG | And I prefer iOS over android | 13:20 |
| Khertan_Work | more funny with float compare in python is that a simple testcase didn't show the error, should be somewhere in some optimization | 13:20 |
| faenil | MohammadAG, yeah I know how to do that :) | 13:20 |
| Khertan_Work | MohammadAG: oh really ? | 13:20 |
| faenil | what I meant is, what once you have that bool...can you do "if (symbian) import A else import B" on qml side? | 13:21 |
| Khertan_Work | MohammadAG: (i mean for apps not in maemo, for android i can clearly understand your point of view) | 13:21 |
| MohammadAG | Most probably yes | 13:21 |
| Khertan_Work | faenil: or loader | 13:21 |
| faenil | otherwise it's useless :D | 13:21 |
| Khertan_Work | faenil: for the moment it s useless | 13:21 |
| Khertan_Work | :) | 13:21 |
| MohammadAG | faenil: Simple test | 13:22 |
| faenil | Khertan_Work, using multiple qmls which are the same but for one line is not good :D | 13:22 |
| MohammadAG | if (false) import fusucuxfygj | 13:22 |
| MohammadAG | If it errors... | 13:22 |
| Khertan_Work | faenil: the qml philosophy is on qml view by plateform | 13:22 |
| Khertan_Work | (even if i hate that) | 13:22 |
| MohammadAG | Khertan_Work: WhatsApp, iMessage, Viber (eww) | 13:23 |
| faenil | Khertan_Work, what do you mean? | 13:23 |
| faenil | MohammadAG, anyway I don't think you can make qml read variables from c++ before even the root item has been initialized | 13:24 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego: Ping | 13:24 |
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| faenil | uni wifi keeps kicking me out | 13:25 |
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| MohammadAG | faenil: If you can't then you probably a MITM file | 13:26 |
| faenil | man in the middle? :D | 13:26 |
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| MohammadAG | As in imports.qml which has imports that are platform specific | 13:27 |
| faenil | alright, wait there | 13:27 |
| MohammadAG | You fill that in Debian/rules | 13:27 |
| faenil | don't you need to import modules in every qml file? | 13:27 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: pong | 13:28 |
| faenil | you can't create an import.qml and then create all the other qml files without "import" at the beginning | 13:28 |
| MohammadAG | I'd imagine if you import x from a file then import the file in y, y would have c | 13:28 |
| MohammadAG | X* | 13:28 |
| faenil | I'd imagine that too... | 13:29 |
| faenil | but since all examples use import in all qml files, not just the root one, I have some doubts about that | 13:29 |
| MohammadAG | alterego: Can a C++ backend be used to manage qml imports? | 13:29 |
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| alterego | How do you mean "manage"? :) | 13:29 |
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| MohammadAG | If on symbian, import this, on Maemo, that | 13:29 |
| alterego | Hmmm .. | 13:30 |
| MohammadAG | The backend would just provide bools | 13:30 |
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| Khertan_Work | i was looking in Qt5 but even in qt 5 i didn't see conditional import | 13:30 |
| faenil | freaking wifi! | 13:30 |
| Khertan_Work | even if there are so request about that | 13:30 |
| alterego | I'd probably dynamically load dependencies rather than do it in C++ | 13:31 |
| faenil | some people suggested using c preprocessor, and that's a nice hack... | 13:31 |
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| MohammadAG | How? | 13:31 |
| faenil | alterego, like what? | 13:31 |
| alterego | It all seems kind of wrong to me :P | 13:31 |
| faenil | alterego, you have more qml files, more platforms, they all use same qml lines, but imports are different | 13:31 |
| faenil | do you keep more qml files which are all the same but the import lines? | 13:32 |
| alterego | Component.createObject | 13:32 |
| faenil | that's not maintenable at all :D | 13:32 |
| faenil | to create what? | 13:32 |
| alterego | To create the component you're trying to import. | 13:33 |
| alterego | Rather than doing it declaratively. | 13:33 |
| faenil | not a component, a module | 13:33 |
| alterego | if(meego) {var component = Qt.createComponent("MeegoButton.qml"); ...} | 13:33 |
| faenil | I want import QtQuick 4.7 instead of QtQuick 1.1 | 13:33 |
| faenil | for example | 13:33 |
| alterego | Ah | 13:33 |
| faenil | alterego, I think you didn't get the problem :) | 13:34 |
| MohammadAG | Now he did | 13:34 |
| alterego | Yeah, I get you now. | 13:34 |
| Venemo_N950 | there is no such thing as QtQuick 4.7 | 13:34 |
| faenil | :) | 13:34 |
| faenil | Venemo_N950, it was just an example :P | 13:34 |
| Venemo_N950 | lol | 13:34 |
| MohammadAG | Qt 4.7 | 13:34 |
| faenil | not my case | 13:34 |
| MohammadAG | Anyway... | 13:34 |
| alterego | Unfortunately no. | 13:34 |
| faenil | I actually have import symbian components and import android components | 13:34 |
| faenil | the rest of the file is exactly the same | 13:35 |
| alterego | Because you'd need a conditional import in _every_ QML file. | 13:35 |
| faenil | I managed string differences with c++ | 13:35 |
| faenil | alterego, exactly | 13:35 |
| alterego | Maybe if you could provide null modules for the platforms that aren't present. | 13:35 |
| faenil | mmm | 13:35 |
| faenil | that's a nice hack :P | 13:36 |
| faenil | c preprocessor is better maybe | 13:36 |
| MohammadAG | alterego: So can't he have an imports.qml file that does impirts based on bools provided by a C++ backend? | 13:36 |
| MohammadAG | Imports* | 13:36 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: no, each QML file is a namespace in it's own right. | 13:36 |
| faenil | argh, my doubt was true... :( | 13:36 |
| MohammadAG | Meh | 13:36 |
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| alterego | What we need is an "include" to compliment "import" :) | 13:36 |
| alterego | We have it in the JS engine Qt.include .. | 13:37 |
| MohammadAG | Speaking of preprocessors | 13:37 |
| alterego | Shame we don't have it in the QML world. | 13:37 |
| MohammadAG | Anyone good at writing those? | 13:37 |
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| faenil | argh my doubt was true :( | 13:37 |
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| Venemo_N950 | there is no qml preprocessor that I'm aware of | 13:38 |
| MohammadAG | I'm referring to C | 13:39 |
| Venemo_N950 | MohammadAG, what exactly are you going to achieve by this? | 13:39 |
| Khertan_Work | someone know a way to use openntp on n9 ? | 13:39 |
| Khertan_Work | doesn't seems to work on my device | 13:39 |
| MohammadAG | Something similar to Theos's Logos on ios | 13:39 |
| Venemo_N950 | MohammadAG, if you'd like to selectively load some qml, you can do that in some other way. | 13:39 |
| Venemo_N950 | i'm unfamiliar with ios | 13:39 |
| MohammadAG | Sec | 13:39 |
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| wook | where to get PIL? | 13:42 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo_N950: http://ininjas.com/forum/index.php?topic=757.0 | 13:42 |
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| Venemo_N950 | i don't see what good this would be | 13:43 |
| MohammadAG | Hooking on Maemo... | 13:44 |
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| faenil | o/ wook | 13:46 |
| wook | o/ ragazza :) | 13:47 |
| wook | sup bro? | 13:47 |
| Khertan_Work | wook: apt-get install python-imaging on fremantle | 13:47 |
| wook | how's goin? | 13:47 |
| wook | Khertan_Work, thanx | 13:47 |
| Khertan_Work | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/python-imaging/1.1.6-3maemo2/ | 13:47 |
| Khertan_Work | yw | 13:48 |
| wook | :) | 13:48 |
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| faenil_ | let's see if it works from webchat | 13:49 |
| wook | faenil, it is because you have lousy connection :P | 13:49 |
| wook | it is not due to irc | 13:49 |
| wook | :D | 13:49 |
| faenil_ | it's not IRC, I know... | 13:50 |
| faenil_ | it's this stupid uni connection | 13:50 |
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| wook | register nick and use ghost commands to kill stucked one | 13:51 |
| Elleo | aquarius: turns out that might not be an issue, apparently Nokia's QA aren't rejecting packages that don't have proper aegis digisums, so you might be alright | 13:57 |
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| Elleo | aquarius: ideally you'll want to setup an OBS account at https://build.pub.meego.com/ at some point too, so you could just upload your .dsc and .tar.gz from launchpad when you want to make an official release and it'll rebuild them with digisums | 13:58 |
| Elleo | aquarius: that way you'll be able to submit them into apps for meego as well | 13:59 |
| aquarius | Elleo, ah, right | 13:59 |
| Elleo | aquarius: basically aegis creates a digital signature of all your files to make sure they don't get changes | 13:59 |
| Elleo | changed* | 13:59 |
| aquarius | Elleo, so the aegis stuff is some sort of cryptography magic? It's not just a line in the file sayng "these permissions"? | 14:00 |
| aquarius | aaaaah | 14:00 |
| aquarius | so launchpad won't be able to do that in a recipe because it doesn't have the code to do the signing. gotcha. | 14:00 |
| aquarius | darn :) | 14:00 |
| aquarius | not that building is hard, of course. | 14:00 |
| Elleo | then destroy your device if someone modifies them outside of the package | 14:00 |
| Elleo | aquarius: yeah, but it seems nokia are accepting packages that don't have proper signatures, so you might be able to get away with it | 14:01 |
| Elleo | but if you have OBS do your final builds before release you'll get signing done for you then | 14:02 |
| Elleo | and you could have launchpad automatically build all your testing packages, and creating the .dsc and .tar.gz for you | 14:02 |
| aquarius | Elleo, mm, true | 14:02 |
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| gavinrharper | Hello! Is there any way on the N9 and Qt (C++) to add notifications without dealing with the OVI notifications? | 14:03 |
| gavinrharper | That is, I want my application to raise an activity alert | 14:03 |
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| Khertan_Work | gavinrharper: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/platform-api-reference/xml/daily-docs/libmeegotouch/class_m_notification.html | 14:56 |
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| * Khertan_Work is downloading tizen sdk... just for fun to see how poor it is :) | 15:32 | |
| Elleo | well its UI is based around EFL which is pretty nice for mobile stuff, and means a fair amount of old openmoko stuff should be portable easily (as well as the web api stuff) | 15:33 |
| Elleo | assuming they're going to let you ship EFL based apps and not *just* web ones | 15:34 |
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| Khertan_Work | Elleo: funny as i ll not the following words in the same sentence : pretty nice, mobile, and efl | 15:37 |
| Khertan_Work | :) | 15:37 |
| Khertan_Work | s/not/not put | 15:38 |
| Elleo | I found illume and elementary to be pretty good from my experience with openmoko in the past | 15:38 |
| Elleo | despite the hardware platform being woefully underpowered EFL did a pretty impressive job | 15:39 |
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| Khertan_Work | grrrr just discover that timestamp in javascript ... is since epoch in milliseconds | 15:52 |
| Khertan_Work | not seconds | 15:52 |
| Khertan_Work | mouarf | 15:52 |
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| tom_ | Just out of interest, has anyone been able use their n9 as a wifi hotspot using wicd on linux? For me it only seems to work if encryption is disabled. | 17:34 |
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| junglizer | I haven't tried, however there is supposedly an app called "ad-hac" that "fixes" the wifi hotspot | 17:47 |
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| Khertan_Work | tom___: didn't notice any problem on my netbook | 17:54 |
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| junglizer | can someone help me figure out what is wrong with my N9/how to charge it? | 17:56 |
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| junglizer | I need to reflash it, but to my knowledge the battery is dead | 17:56 |
| junglizer | I currently have it plugged in to the wall. Using the provided adapter/cable | 17:56 |
| junglizer | but there are no lights | 17:57 |
| tom___ | Khertan_Work: out of interest, are you using wep 64/128, and what encryption method do you use in wicd? (wep hex is auto-selected, but I am dubious if that is right) | 17:57 |
| Khertan_Work | wep 128 | 17:59 |
| Khertan_Work | wep hex in wicd | 17:59 |
| tom___ | cool, thanks. I will troubleshoot some more. | 17:59 |
| Khertan_Work | but getting connection is kinda slow | 17:59 |
| tom___ | does it seem to fail a couple of times? I wonder if I am just being impatient. | 18:00 |
| Khertan_Work | i didn't use it often, but yep i remember that first time it s failed a couple of time before working | 18:00 |
| tom___ | cool thanks. at least I know it isn't a lost cause. | 18:01 |
| Khertan_Work | i was using the version of wicd that is available in debian stable squeeze | 18:01 |
| tom___ | ah, I am on testing, but could always try the stable build - one more thing to try. | 18:03 |
| junglizer | so... if the N9 is dead but plugged in should there be a light to show it's charging? | 18:17 |
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| gabriel9 | junglizer: how's your N9? | 18:29 |
| junglizer | gabriel9: I don't think it's charging | 18:30 |
| junglizer | should there be lights on it when plugged in? even when dead? | 18:30 |
| gabriel9 | it should | 18:30 |
| gabriel9 | can you turn it on? | 18:30 |
| gabriel9 | or is it still dead? | 18:31 |
| junglizer | it's still dead | 18:31 |
| junglizer | it's plugged into the wall charger | 18:31 |
| junglizer | but no lights | 18:31 |
| gabriel9 | :( | 18:31 |
| junglizer | if i unplug/replug the cable it lights up, but then turns off after about 30secs - 1 minute | 18:31 |
| junglizer | if I unplug it and hold the power button | 18:31 |
| junglizer | it vibrates, and the light comes on. but then nothing and the light blinks slowly and shuts off after about 30 seconds | 18:32 |
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| gabriel9 | one time i also have some issues like that | 18:32 |
| gabriel9 | i tried couple of times | 18:33 |
| gabriel9 | and it worked | 18:33 |
| junglizer | what did you "try?" | 18:33 |
| gabriel9 | turn it on | 18:33 |
| gabriel9 | when it dies i tried again | 18:33 |
| junglizer | did it actually turn on? | 18:34 |
| junglizer | like I get the vibrate, and the light, then it goes all blinky | 18:34 |
| gabriel9 | y | 18:34 |
| gabriel9 | es | 18:34 |
| gabriel9 | i was thinking it died | 18:35 |
| gabriel9 | but then i turn charger in it and tried couple of times | 18:35 |
| junglizer | I'll probably just have to fiddle with it when I get home later | 18:36 |
| gabriel9 | what firmware was it on it? | 18:36 |
| gabriel9 | 1.2 1.1 | 18:36 |
| gabriel9 | ? | 18:36 |
| gabriel9 | also try reflash | 18:37 |
| gabriel9 | it is easy | 18:37 |
| junglizer | 1.2 | 18:39 |
| junglizer | reflash can't detect it | 18:39 |
| junglizer | which I beleive is b/c the battery is dead | 18:39 |
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| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: do you know if irc-chatter supports SASL ? | 19:59 |
| djszapi | freenode began to require that in a certain range today, and I cannot connect anymore to freenode on my phone with SASL support. | 19:59 |
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| jpwhiting | djszapi: itsnotabigtruck: either of you know how to get libqtcore4-dbg installed on an updated N9? | 20:12 |
| jpwhiting | when I try with apt-get it says the libqtcore4 is too old or something | 20:13 |
| jpwhiting | I've also tried with debug-dep-install script, with the same result | 20:13 |
| djszapi | force ? | 20:13 |
| jpwhiting | yeah, but then the debug symbols wouldn't match what is actually running, right? | 20:14 |
| djszapi | well, if you can install the same version that is better. | 20:14 |
| djszapi | jsut use the same on the device and sb | 20:14 |
| djszapi | aka. no devel internal version on the n9 etc | 20:15 |
| jpwhiting | djszapi: how can I get that though, some other apt source? | 20:15 |
| djszapi | but in the first place: why would libqtcore4 be buggy ? :) | 20:15 |
| djszapi | unsure what you are doing, but sounds a weird guess :p | 20:15 |
| djszapi | I do not know which versions you use, but try to match them | 20:15 |
| jpwhiting | both libqtcore4 and libqtcore4-dbg are 4.7.4 but different git versions in the package name | 20:16 |
| jpwhiting | so apt doesn't like it somehow | 20:16 |
| djszapi | try to match them. | 20:16 |
| djszapi | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan/free/q/qt4-x11/ | 20:16 |
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| jpwhiting | ah, I see the libqtcore4-dbg is git20110517 but the libqtcore4 I already have installed is git20120125 | 20:18 |
| jpwhiting | so where can I get the -dbg for git20120125 from? | 20:18 |
| djszapi | wow, that is very outdated package. | 20:18 |
| jpwhiting | all these listed on that link you gave are also git20110517... | 20:19 |
| jpwhiting | but yes, it's old indeed | 20:19 |
| djszapi | well to be honest, the sdk repo is not meant for the device | 20:19 |
| djszapi | and Nokia perhaps does not provide -dbg packages either | 20:20 |
| djszapi | so you might need to build your package. | 20:20 |
| jpwhiting | ug, ok | 20:20 |
| djszapi | but I have not been involved with harmattan for quite a while | 20:21 |
| djszapi | so my knowledge is quite outdated. | 20:21 |
| jpwhiting | yep, gotcha, np | 20:21 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck is the updated harmattan help desk xD | 20:21 |
| djszapi | or jonni :) | 20:21 |
| * jpwhiting reads http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/%23harmattan.2012-03-08.log.html and tries to force | 20:22 | |
| djszapi | why not just build a community dbg package ? | 20:23 |
| jpwhiting | on build.meego.org or something? | 20:23 |
| djszapi | yes | 20:23 |
| djszapi | perhaps it is not too much of an urgent need though. | 20:24 |
| djszapi | may I ask why you need this ? | 20:24 |
| jpwhiting | to see why my app is crashing 3 times out of 4 | 20:24 |
| jpwhiting | in libQtCore | 20:24 |
| djszapi | do you have a workhorse for your app ? | 20:25 |
| djszapi | I mean some skeleton triggering the issue ? | 20:25 |
| jpwhiting | what do you mean? | 20:25 |
| jpwhiting | if I don't put a Task property in qml it only crashes 1 out of 3 times | 20:25 |
| jpwhiting | where Task is my own QObject based class that is registered with qml | 20:26 |
| djszapi | can you show the code ? | 20:26 |
| djszapi | orders mattered in qtquick1 | 20:26 |
| jpwhiting | yep, one sec | 20:26 |
| jpwhiting | it's all on github, but may not be the crashy code up there | 20:26 |
| djszapi | push the crashy code xD | 20:26 |
| djszapi | some paste site is fine IMO. | 20:27 |
| gabriel9 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=7-T_w_QXXms | 20:34 |
| gabriel9 | loool | 20:34 |
| djszapi | BLOLZ!! | 20:35 |
| jpwhiting | djszapi: https://github.com/jpwhiting/lib-qrtm/tree/wip has the crashy library | 20:36 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: unfortunately I need to leave, sorry. :( | 20:37 |
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| jpwhiting | djszapi: ah, np | 20:41 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | jpwhiting: i think your best bet is to grab the pr1.2 gpl iso and build qt | 21:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which is going to take forever btw | 21:21 |
| jpwhiting | itsnotabigtruck: where's the iso? | 21:21 |
| djszapi | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/1.2-2/ | 21:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | uh, just search sdk_sources_pr1.2iso | 21:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, that | 21:21 |
| jpwhiting | yeah, probably will take some time, but maybe wont be too bad on the build service | 21:21 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: do you have any ideas about the sasl stuff for irc-chatter ? | 21:22 |
| djszapi | kinda super important question to me :) | 21:22 |
| djszapi | as an irc addict. | 21:22 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: i don't think it does | 21:26 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: then bye bye irc'ing on the bug, train etc for me :( | 21:26 |
| djszapi | bus* | 21:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or patch irc chatter | 21:26 |
| djszapi | I do not have time for this, unfortunately. | 21:26 |
| RST38h | it may be for the better you know | 21:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i wonder if it would be possible to build a GUI for chats via telepathy that could coexist with the messaging app | 21:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 21:27 |
| RST38h | you have time to irc right? | 21:27 |
| RST38h | use some of that time to be useful | 21:27 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: I advised the same idea 1-2 years ago | 21:27 |
| djszapi | nobody cared :( | 21:27 |
| djszapi | RST38h: irrelevant, since all the discussion on irc is higher priority than fixing irc-chatter | 21:27 |
| djszapi | if I cannot use, I will re-schedule my activity, that is, but no time for yet another project next to the zillion others. | 21:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nobody inside nokia cared? well, i guess it isn't exactly a normal use case | 21:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | iirc it's possible actually to use the messaging app with a chat room if you connect telepathy to it with the cmdline | 21:29 |
| djszapi | nor Nokia, nor community | 21:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it even gives each person their own color | 21:29 |
| djszapi | to be precise | 21:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there wasn't exactly a harmattan dev community 2 years ago | 21:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and barely so 1 year ago | 21:29 |
| djszapi | of there was | 21:30 |
| djszapi | I personally started the pastime development for Harmattan in 2010 | 21:30 |
| djszapi | and I know other devs as well who were not paid for that. | 21:31 |
| djszapi | ofc* | 21:32 |
| djszapi | in any case, freenode is not usable with irc-chatter for certain people including me. | 21:32 |
| djszapi | not that, it would be a bugfree irc client anyway. | 21:33 |
| djszapi | :) | 21:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, you were working for nokia...teh sdk wasn't even released until spring 2011, no? | 21:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not to mention no one except very very few had hardware until summer | 21:33 |
| djszapi | trust me many Nokians had hardware | 21:34 |
| djszapi | who already spent their leisure time to make something useful with it. | 21:34 |
| djszapi | s/Nokians/maemons/ | 21:34 |
| djszapi | you do not know does not mean there was not :-) | 21:37 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: well, i'm talking about when this stuff became available to the masses because you're lamenting that the masses didn't build something | 21:39 |
| djszapi | right, so you were not explaining yourself clearly. | 21:40 |
| djszapi | in any case, nobody cared about this | 21:40 |
| djszapi | that is still correct. | 21:40 |
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| tgalal_ | has anyone managed to get python-accounts to work? | 21:49 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: fix your crap | 22:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeesh :p | 22:19 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://nedroid.com/2012/05/honk-the-databus/ | 22:29 |
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| CreamyG31337 | lol | 22:34 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: wtf was just happening w/ your irc client? | 22:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it seems to be doing it periodically, it's not the 1st time | 22:36 |
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| PaulePanter | Sazpaimon: The error was `Max SendQ exceeded`. | 22:41 |
| CreamyG31337 | the server is kicking him for getting too much data at once, or more like being too slow to receive the data | 22:44 |
| CreamyG31337 | so the queue on the server is full and he gets booted | 22:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's probably a malfunctioning irc client | 22:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | join/kill loops like that are almost always because of that | 22:46 |
| CreamyG31337 | it's common if you join large channels because the list of users is too long, it will instantly fill the queue | 22:46 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84025 | 22:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 22:49 |
| CreamyG31337 | ummm does the keyboard even close? | 22:51 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | CreamyG31337: i think so | 22:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's not exactly elegant though | 22:59 |
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| Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, freenode doesnt like my 20 channel autojoin list | 23:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: lol | 23:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, stop doing that :p | 23:45 |
| Sazpaimon | but I have 20 channels that I participate in | 23:45 |
| Sazpaimon | does freenode just want me to stop participating? | 23:45 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Sazpaimon: it wants you to have a life | 23:59 |
| Sazpaimon | i actually just got a haircut today | 23:59 |
| Sazpaimon | that counts right? | 23:59 |
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