IRC log of #harmattan for Tuesday, 2012-05-01

gabriel9well money corupts. And in my country, all private colleges letting students to pass exams with little or no knowladge00:03
itsnotabigtrucki'm going to a large public uni with rather expensive tuition...the classes certainly aren't easy00:04
itsnotabigtruckat least most of them00:04
itsnotabigtruckbut i'm in CS00:04
gabriel9that is nice00:04
itsnotabigtrucknot really...the grades end up reflecting whoever's most committed to beating the class, rather than whoever has real skill00:05
itsnotabigtruckthere's an awful lot of CS students that are good at passing classes and not good at writing code00:05
gabriel9on every college is same00:05
itsnotabigtruckbecause they're not the same thing at all00:05
gabriel9we call them book worms00:05
itsnotabigtruckbut the classes aren't easy00:05
gabriel9well all collegues don't value logic and inteligence00:06
gabriel9they just value memmory00:06
gabriel9but i need one CS degree00:07
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gabriel9if i plan to get some promotion :/00:08
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ajalkaneMuch of the stuff in CS doesn't translate into real life needs in coding. But it's good stuff to know in the level of "hey, I remember something about this" so that you can look it up when there's need.00:20
ajalkaneBut yeah, someone who could fly those classes with flying colors doesn't necessarily know a shit about writing good code.00:21
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gabriel9ajalkane: i agree on that, it is a good foundry00:43
gabriel9you have a start point00:43
gabriel9and that is great00:43
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itsnotabigtruckajalkane: and those skills are mostly moot without the ability to write good code00:50
itsnotabigtruckin theory, CS is a theoretical, mathematical field; in practice it's not :p00:51
ajalkaneThey're moot unless you plan to be a professor teaching CS in some fancy university :P00:52
kozzihyvää vappua !!!00:55
ajalkanekozzua naamariin!00:56
kozzidunno whats vappu in english00:57
ajalkanewappu, I think...00:57
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kozzisomething is wrong with ovi store01:00
kozzino new apps for like 2-3 weeks now01:00
kozziis meego really that unpopular?01:01
itsnotabigtruckkozzi: where are you looking for apps?01:01
itsnotabigtruckcreamyg released opptimizer and the opptimizer gui01:02
itsnotabigtrucki updated inception to be compatible with nokia's recent countermeasure01:02
itsnotabigtrucktrx released a text editor today01:02
kozziwell from the store01:02
itsnotabigtrucknokia released a port of public transport (bus routing app) for n901:03
itsnotabigtruckforget the store01:03
kozzias much as I follow twitter and maemo.org01:03
acpikozzi: the store was just broken last time I loaded it, as in 404.. the webpage said they were updating, maybe related?01:04
kozzithe store is just better to check out01:04
itsnotabigtruckthe store is crippling01:04
kozzinah I mean if there is something wrong with their qa test for new apps01:04
itsnotabigtrucki'm not against the concept of an app store, but ovi store does everything wrong01:05
kozziyeah, th2 search function sucks01:05
itsnotabigtruckthat's not what i'm talking about...that's the tip of the iceberg01:05
itsnotabigtruckanyway, get opptimizer01:06
kozziwhat is it for?01:06
itsnotabigtrucki wrote the aegis-wrangling utility for getting it loaded with inception01:06
itsnotabigtruckit overclocks your n901:06
kozziheh, Im find with the current clock01:07
kozziis there any mod for hiding the statusbar yet?01:08
itsnotabigtruckwhy would you want to do that...01:12
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kozzimy status bar has burned in01:12
kozziafter long usage of fbreader and web01:13
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NecrosporusHow do I open URL on device itself, do I have to install meescan or it's somehow integrated into usual camera app? I guess, I have to install MeeScan, but how to do it without nokia registration?01:27
itsnotabigtruckwhat do you could always type the url into the browser01:29
NecrosporusYeah, that's however I would like to use a scanner anyways01:30
NecrosporusIs meescan open source?01:30
itsnotabigtruckno, it's not01:30
itsnotabigtruckif you can find the deb somewhere other than ovi store, you could install it that way01:31
itsnotabigtruckbut an awful lot of stuff is only on ovi so sooner or later you'll have to suck it up and add an ovi account probably01:32
itsnotabigtruckalso the system tries to force you to have an ovi account to use the maps and drive apps, though maybe there's a hack around that01:32
itsnotabigtruckif you get a deb from somewhere else do aegis-origin on it from the temrinal and make sure it prints out
itsnotabigtruckthat confirms that it's unmodified from whatever is shipping on ovi01:33
itsnotabigtruckalso, did you get inception, and did it meet your requirements01:35
itsnotabigtruckNecrosporus ^01:35
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itsnotabigtruckso today's the last day for comm council nominations01:46
itsnotabigtruckwho's in01:46
itsnotabigtruckivgalvez, estel, jcharpak, woody14619, arie, nieldk, sd6901:47
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Necrosporusitsnotabigtruck, no, I didn't yet02:01
NecrosporusFor now I do not really need anything aegis preventing me from. But I guess, I would like to repartition the storage somehow02:02
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NecrosporusThat's funny, but if I set up security code, I can't unset it02:22
NecrosporusWhere's TV out?02:24
NecrosporusIt's mentioned in settings02:24
gabriel9Yes TV out is in settings02:25
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NecrosporusI have removed ovi-music-store via dpkg -r --ignore-depends=mp-harmattan-001-pr ovi-music-store but it still present in menu and works03:02
NecrosporusWhat am I doing wrong?03:02
itsnotabigtruckNecrosporus: isn't it called morpheus?03:09
itsnotabigtrucktry getting rid of morpheus and morpheus-guard03:10
itsnotabigtruckthough overriding dependencies like that is kinda inadvisable, it could screw up your system later on03:10
itsnotabigtruckalso if there's nothing you need to override aegis for, quit pestering everyone about open mode every few weeks :p but there's lots of things you can do that do require overriding aegis03:12
itsnotabigtruckthat's why it's best to have inception ready to go so it's there whenever you need it03:12
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itsnotabigtrucksometimes you can get your phone into a precarious situation, and opensh can help you get it out without reflashing03:13
Necrosporusitsnotabigtruck, I said "Yet"03:13
itsnotabigtruck(e.g. invalidated refhashlist/restok signature - you have to have opensh already installed in order to recover)03:14
itsnotabigtruckyeah, opensh is an all access shell that you can install after setting up inception03:14
itsnotabigtruckit gives you true root access03:14
itsnotabigtruckexactly like develsh but with more permissions03:14
NecrosporusBut first I need to unzip a file03:15
NecrosporusThere's uncompress in default install, but no unzip03:15
NecrosporusAnd browser said it can't recognize filetype03:15
itsnotabigtruckdo it on the pc first and scp it in?03:16
NecrosporusI'd rather install zip03:16
Necrosporusalso I want dc and bc03:17
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junglizerack. my phone isn't being detected by the flasher. It's just blinking it's light03:44
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befordyou need to shut it down, unplug it03:54
befordthen flasher -R, and plug it, and follow itsnotabigtruck's guide :P03:54
junglizeryeah I've been following the guide03:55
junglizerthe light wasn't doing anything, even when plugged into the wall03:55
junglizerplugged it into my PC again and it showed up as solid white03:55
junglizerthen windows tried to install the drivers, it started flashing and turned off03:56
junglizerthe light I mean03:56
Necrosporuswhere can I find sources for the flasher?03:56
befordclosed source afaik03:56
junglizerokay, now when I plug it in the light goes on for about 10 seconds, then off. Flasher still hasn't detected it03:59
NecrosporusThan one should disassemble it and write free replacement03:59
NecrosporusIt's only 69 kib, so it must be possible to disassemble and get an idea what is it doing04:00
itsnotabigtruckjunglizer: now that the drivers are installed it might work better this time04:26
itsnotabigtrucktry putting it into sync and connect mode04:27
itsnotabigtruckthen do flasher -i04:27
itsnotabigtruckit'll send a phonet command to boot it back into open mode04:27
itsnotabigtruckwhoops, back into update mode04:27
itsnotabigtrucki'm not thinking straight right now04:27
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Enforcerhmm, meecast definately doesnt seem to get a gps location for me :/05:57
NecrosporusWhat's the name of "most official" repository for Nokia N9, for example to install gcc, python, bc/dc, ed?06:00
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itsnotabigtruckNecrosporus: python is in the default repos06:16
itsnotabigtrucki'm having deja vu here, did you ask this already06:16
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itsnotabigtruckgcc, i'm not sure about how to go about installing it, it's definitely not part of the main nokia repos though06:17
itsnotabigtruckdon't know about the others06:17
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Necrosporusitsnotabigtruck, yeah, I did, but it was before I bought the device. I guess, I will have to search the channel log. There was some repo for standard console stuff and there's also "Apps For MeeGo"06:27
itsnotabigtruckyeah, there's the official repos, apps for meego, the sdk repo, and rzr's repo06:29
itsnotabigtruckstart off with the first two and see if they have what you need06:29
itsnotabigtruckapps for meego doesn't have that much in it right now and it doesn't have much in terms of console apps, though06:29
itsnotabigtruckalso afm is split in two parts, main and testing, add both06:30
itsnotabigtruckthere's problems with aegis and the sdk repo starting with pr1.206:30
itsnotabigtruckalso some of the stuff in there could break your n9 so don't install everything out of there willy nilly, it's intended for the sdk dev environment06:30
itsnotabigtruckrzr's repo has miscellaneous ports from debian and some other stuff, it's like a catch-all06:31
itsnotabigtruckalso be a little careful with that, some of the stuff hasn't really been properly ported, or might conflict with a nokia package06:31
itsnotabigtruckand, that's about it06:31
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Necrosporusitsnotabigtruck, so to add those repos I need to edit sources.list, right?06:54
itsnotabigtruckNecrosporus: normally you'd put a separate file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d07:01
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Elleomorning aquarius :)10:14
aquariusElleo, ooh, cool10:15
* aquarius tries installing it :)10:15
Elleopackaging and everything is in my bzr branch, along with a small patch to use the absolute path for launching the download manager and finding the QML file10:15
Elleoalso it works nicely on the n900 with the community CSSU:
Elleoalthough I haven't made a package for maemo yet10:16
aquariusI don't know what's up with y phone, but somethnig is... it keeps refusing to see the net10:19
aquariusincluding saying there's no cell coverage when there is :(10:19
gabriel9what is that10:19
gabriel9and morning al10:20
Elleoaquarius: ah, that's different to the issue I sometimes have then; in which is specifically won't see my home wifi net until I restart my router10:20
Elleo3G networking still works fine under those conditions though10:20
Elleogabriel9: it's a client aquarius has been writing for the ubuntu one file storage service10:21
gabriel9cloud thingie10:22
aquariusyay, and it works :)10:22
Elleoawesome :)10:22
gabriel9but is still use DropBox10:22
aquariusnice one Elleo :)10:22
aquariusso, next question: how does one publish such a thing? I can presumably submit it to appsformeego?10:24
aquariusI'll do a blog post first, though :)10:25
gabriel9if you want lots of installations then OVI is the way10:26
aquariusoh, certainly, that too10:26
Elleoaquarius: yeah, it's built in OBS at the moment so we can submit to apps for meego its just a couple of clicks10:26
gabriel9i read some article where people go for apps, and it is allways official store10:26
aquariusbut I haven't read the submission criteria for the official store yet :)10:26
Elleoat which point it'll go in to the testing repo pretty much instantly10:26
* aquarius plays downloaded music :)10:27
Elleoyeah, off the top of my head the main thing you're going to need to add is an about page10:27
gabriel9but put it also in Apps For Meego :), also you can add it here:
aquariusthe app needs about nineteen kinds of error checking, too, which it currently doesn't have ;)10:27
aquariusbut now I have packaging I can just redo that10:27
aquariusElleo, once I have your changes, how do I build a package?10:27
Elleoaquarius: first run "dch -i", that'll open the debian changelog and increment the version number10:28
Elleothen fill in whatever changes have taken place10:28
Elleothen just run "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot"10:28
Elleoall from within the u1fn9 directory10:28
gabriel91. May will be coding day for me :)10:28
Elleothen in the directory above you you'll find the .deb which you can upload to Ovi10:29
Elleounless you want me to handle the apps for meego stuff for you then you'll need to get yourself an OBS account, where you can upload the .tar.gz and .dsc file (then OBS will build a package from those itself)10:30
aquariusah, cool, so it's just like building Ubuntu packages :)10:31
Elleoaquarius: oh yeah and you may want to edit the debian/copying file, I just assumed the license was GPL, so if its not you should change that10:31
aquariusI figured it would be, but wasn't sure10:31
aquariusnot sure about gpl because I'm not sure of the licencing on the JS stuff I used. May need to be MIT or something; will check10:32
Elleoalso when you're building packages yourself make sure you do it in scratchbox10:32
Elleowhile you can build the packages fine outside of scratchbox they won't have any of the aegis stuff applied to them10:32
aquariusthis is useful10:32
Elleoor just let OBS do all your building for you10:32
aquariusalso, no cross-compiling to armel rubbish for me, Python programmer that I am :)10:33
aquariusright, brilliant. This is brilliant.10:33
Elleoaquarius: oh yeah, for some reason your menu comes up in the wrong orientation10:35
ElleoI have no clue what's going on there10:35
aquariusha! so it does10:36
aquariusworks in scratchbox/xepyhr. Weird.10:36
aquariuswarning: don't go into the settings10:36
aquariusbecause there's no cancel button. :)10:36
Elleoyeah, I found that myself ;)10:36
aquariusso if you open the settings pane, you can only get out of it by closing the app or by getting a new oauth token ;)10:36
aquariusthis is, obviously, not the way it needs to be, I just didn't get to fixing it ;)10:37
Elleoyeah, but all the important stuff seems to work nicely now which is what really matters10:38
aquariusthat's the plan, indeed10:38
aquariusman, am I glad itsnotabigtruck talked me into using the transferui ;)10:38
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aquariusso, next steps: fix settings pane, download-a-whole-folder, upload files, upload-photos-automatically, sign up rather than sign in, share a folder, in roughly that order10:41
aquariusElleo, where's your branch?10:41
Elleoaquarius: lp:~michael-sheldon/+junk/u1fn910:41
aquariusoh, -sheldon, not .sheldon :)10:42
aquariusdo I need to provide an svg icon?10:43
aquariusI have a png...10:43
Elleoaquarius: there's a rough icon a knocked up in the images directory10:44
aquariusI have a nicer png one, but you did an svg as well10:44
Elleoif you want to make a new one ideally you want an SVG so you can use
Elleoto handle the harmattan style background and stuff for you10:45
aquariusI used the photoshop templates that nokia provide to make mine ;)10:45
Elleoah right, in that case a png is fine10:45
Elleolet me know when you've pushed it to your branch and I'll update the packaging10:46
aquariusnice app though!10:46
Elleothe debian/control file has to contain a base64 encoded version of the icon for it to display in the app manager10:46
aquariusis there some convenient command to update that, or do I just do it by hand?10:47
ElleoI end up just doing it by hand10:47
aquarius(as in: base64 the icon and then paste it in by manual editing?)10:47
aquariuscool, I'll do that :)10:47
Elleowell, where "by hand is" base64 blah >> debian/control10:47
Elleoafter deleting the existing one10:47
Elleobut then you need to open up the debian control in vim10:47
aquariusgedit debian/control10:47
Elleo(or whatever editor)10:47
aquariuswrong window :)10:47
Elleoand insert a space to the beginning of each line in the base64 output10:48
Elleo:31,100s/^/ /   for example in vim, where the first line is line 31, and the last is 10010:48
Elleodunno if there's a way to do something like that in gedit10:49
aquariusI just added spaces by hand too ;)10:50
Elleothat works too I guess10:50
aquariushrm. dch -i changes the version number to 0.1-1ubuntu110:50
Elleoyeah, you'll probably want to correct that to something more meaningful10:50
aquariusoh, I can just change it in the changelog itself?10:51
ElleoI guess it's making some assumptions based on your host operating system10:51
Elleodch -i just opens the changelog in your default text editor and sticks a new entry at the top10:51
Elleoso you could do everything manually in gedit if you wanted10:51
aquariusso, remind me how debian versioning works ... 0.1-2 would be a fine next number?10:52
aquariusnew icon hardly seems worth a 0.2 release :)10:52
Elleo0.1-2 indicates that it's the next version of the package10:52
Elleoas opposed to a new version of the software10:52
Elleoso if you were to have a minor bug fix in the software you might then go up to 0.1.110:53
aquariusah, cool, that makes sense10:53
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aquariusso I shall fix a few other things first and then bundle the icon change along with them, I think.10:53
aquariusthis is very cool indeed.10:54
aquariusnice one, pal, that's really helpful :)10:54
Elleono worries10:55
aquariusquestion: does it really depend on python-gconf?10:55
Elleoah no10:55
Elleothat's probably left over from my statusnet control that I copied it from10:55
aquariusElleo, am I allowed to dpkg-buildpackage having not updated the changelog? that is, so I can build a version of the package that I can test works??11:05
Elleoaquarius: yeah11:06
Elleoits only when you want to push something out to other people that you need to update the changelog11:06
Elleoif you're installing it manually yourself it doesn't matter11:06
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ieatlintbleh, publishing apps is just fucking annoying with ovi11:44
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ieatlintjust suffered the classic "your support website isn't good enough" rejection, but really, the whole process is arcane, and square screenshots? wtf is that shit.  there's no nokia phone with a square resolution.11:45
Elleoheh, my support website is just a hastily thrown together html page with a couple of screenshots dumped on it: and they let that pass :/11:46
ElleoI only ended up doing that because they rejected my real website for mentioning apps for meego on it11:46
ieatlintyeah, just finished doing that basically, just unhappy that i'm being set back two days for it11:48
rzri confirm ovi is boring11:48
ieatlintthey let a thousand spam apps that just show a web page with adverts on it, but an app with actual content is rejected for not having enough "support"11:48
ieatlintcomes off more to me as "i need to go through 100 submissions today, and if i can side-step a few by saying the support website sucks, i don't actually need to do any real QA on them"11:49
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Elleoyeah, and a lot of the cookie cutter apps that don't do much don't require much testing11:50
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Elleoalthough even once stuff gets passed QA they don't seem to be especially motivated to get it published11:51
Elleomy app passed QA a few weeks ago but is still just sitting waiting to be published11:51
ieatlintwell, i submitted this sunday, so i can't claim it's been too excessively long11:52
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ieatlintbut yeah, they say it can take up to 7 biz days.. that is within a reasonable limit, but weeks isn't11:53
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ieatlintif i reach two full calendar weeks, i'll just get drunk enough to think it's a good idea to email people at nokia complaining11:55
ieatlintthis tactic has proven successful in other contexts, especially social ones11:56
auenfhas it really passed QA, or is it in another queue for QA testing :P11:56
Elleoauenf: well it says "100% passed" in the little QA listing thing11:56
Elleoso presumably its gone through all the QA that its going to go through11:57
Elleoand 0% in the "in progress" or "waiting" categories11:57
ieatlinti've no experience with other app stores, but i now wonder if they're also this arcane11:59
Elleowell with the android market things are pretty much instant, but there's pretty much no QA going on there12:00
Elleonot that there's much worthwhile QA happening in Ovi12:00
ieatlintbased on the apps i see in the ovi store, i think the argument that the QA for nokia is better is unproven12:00
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SpeedEvilIt would be interesting to get stats on rejected apps12:38
SpeedEvilIs there any 'because it's shit' ground for rejection?12:38
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ElleoSpeedEvil: if there was there'd be about 80% fewer apps in the store ;)12:41
TermanaSpeedEvil, great new idea for an app store. Everyone will submit their apps to me, I will look at them, if they are good I will let them in, if they are shit they will get rejected. Three shit apps and the developer gets shitlisted.12:51
TermanaIncludes resubmissions12:52
TermanaOf course, I'll be taking a 30% cut on paid apps12:53
ZogG_laptopTermana: can you get back burn elop game?13:01
ZogG_laptopbtw was it out for harmattan as well?13:01
TermanaZogG_laptop, I had to look it up to see what it was. I think it's a really dumb move if Nokia removed it13:04
ZogG_laptopTermana: they removed it13:04
ZogG_laptopit was on symbian13:05
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djszapi -> How could I accomplish something like this in QML without invoking a C++ helper method ?14:40
djszapiI need a list from one to twenty.14:40
djszapithat I can then feed to a gridview model for instance.14:40
djszapi"var i" should work better than int though.14:41
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trxdjszapi i believe you can use a Repeater14:47
djszapiwhich would slow the whole down ...14:47
djszapinot functioning, but this does not at least raise a warning:
DocScrutinizerNokia QA - hahaha14:51
djszapiyep, that fills the variable correctly in, but I still somehow just only see one button in the middle. :/14:52
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: hang man game for n9 is yours?14:53
djszapiZogG_laptop: khangman, yep.14:54
ZogG_laptopmay you make it random and add more words ?14:54
djszapiit is already random.14:54
ZogG_laptopbecause words are just repeat themselve in same order14:54
DocScrutinizerNokia *really* must've had a _hard_ time hiring those QA dudes14:54
ZogG_laptopif i select profession eg14:54
ZogG_laptopor i mistaken?14:54
djszapihmm, that might be a bug. :)14:54
djszapibut there is a random sequence generator in the code, so perhaps it is just an implementation bug.14:55
djszapiis it the same for kanagram ?14:55
djszapiThey share the same database.14:55
djszapiInteresting, one review was removed after marking that abuse.14:55
djszapiCan reviewers withdraw the reviews ? Was thinking of a withdraw or abuse deletion.14:56
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: havent's seen it, games as well?14:56
DocScrutinizerI guess QA is what's your promotion after surviving 6 months of user helpdesk14:56
djszapiohh, khangman is not five stars anymore :(14:56
djszapialtogether, that is.14:56
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: random bacground would be nice as well i think, chnage makrs and stuff, but it's just to make it to look better14:56
DocScrutinizer"education and training not included"14:57
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djszapithing is, I do not work on khangman-harmattan anymore, but the whole code is open source14:57
djszapiI think the code is quite reasonable, so probably simple to add features or fix bugs.14:57
ZogG_laptopso you want me to do it myself?14:57
djszapinah, I am just saying, it is unlike I will touch the khangman code base in the near future.14:58
ZogG_laptopone more advice, but that one is more personal - sensetive14:59
ZogG_laptopyour apps look like kde apps14:59
djszapi -> Here you can add new words.14:59
ZogG_laptopand i think it's not that good especially on harmattan14:59
ZogG_laptopjust saw icons from kanagram15:00
ZogG_laptopand that k in the name =P15:00
* RST38h yawns15:01
RST38hSoo, gentlemen, anything new and exciting today?15:01
ZogG_laptopRST38h: waiting for wazapp beta15:01
ZogG_laptopyay \o/15:01
ZogG_laptopRST38h: how are you doing?15:01
RST38hgnarly, thank you15:02
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ZogG_laptopRST38h: whatsapp port15:04
ZogG_laptopwith epic thread on TMO15:04
RST38his it some "social" shit again?15:08
RST38hanother messenger? gtalk/skype/icq/irc/aim/lync not enough?15:08
ZogG_laptopRST38h: nope15:09
ZogG_laptoplync? lol what?15:09
RST38hso what is whatsapp then?15:09
ZogG_laptopRST38h: whatsapp is actually using xmpp but... people do not bother every second person with phone has it, so i want it just coz every single friend has it, so i don't have to set jabber for them os skype or gtalk15:10
ZogG_laptopand it works as sms kinda things, not online chat15:10
RST38hso, it *is* another messenger?15:10
ZogG_laptopno was for social =)15:10
* RST38h flushes local caches, goes on.15:10
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djszapiZogG_laptop: randomization works fine in kanagram ?15:11
ZogG_laptopRST38h: i had icq when it was popular in russian, but as i don't live there i found out everyclasmate here used msn15:11
ZogG_laptopso i had to switch to talk to my crushes =P15:11
* RST38h has email and a landline phone15:12
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: i didn't try it15:12
djszapiZogG_laptop: naughty you. :-P15:12
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: i'll try it out later and report15:12
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djszapiok, I am now leaving, but I will be available on freenode for at least a short query.15:13
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gabriel9guys i need a help16:36
gabriel9i'm spaming nokia conversations in a good way16:36
gabriel9with nice comments16:37
gabriel9what Lumia can't and N9 can do :)16:37
gabriel9i don't have lumia phone so i can't compare16:37
leiniri take it you already took the background skype calls thing ;)16:39
infobotleinir meant: i take it you already mentioned the background skype calls thing ;)16:39
leinirthat windows phone can't take skype calls unless the application is in the foreground16:40
gabriel9ok that's one :)16:40
gabriel9what about bluetooth?16:40
leinir(and it's not Skype's fault, the platform won't allow it)16:41
gabriel9come on guys help me with this16:42
junglizersmaller screen (due to the buttons)16:42
gabriel9that is hard to formulate i can't do that with Lumia :/16:43
junglizerum, well my N9 is bricked right now :(16:43
gabriel9what did you do?16:43
junglizerI attempted to install an update for Firefox. It hung, so I closed it and tried to restart the phone16:44
gabriel9also i want to share this with you: nice music
gabriel9wow, that is bad16:44
junglizeryeah. was trying to follow itsnotabigtruck's guide but the flasher isn't detecting it16:44
gabriel9try couple of times16:45
gabriel9also turn it off16:45
junglizerit's not on. I was thinking maybe it was dead battery, I left it plugged in to the wall charger at home16:46
junglizerbut there aren't any lights16:46
gabriel9one time i also got that16:46
gabriel9it was dead battery16:46
junglizerit lights up for a minute or so, then the light goes off16:46
gabriel9after some time it was ok while charging16:46
gabriel9leave it for some time16:46
junglizeryeah, that's what I was thinking it was16:46
junglizerI'll probably go to radio shack or something over lunch today and try to find a micro sim adapter so I can use my N900 again16:47
gabriel9what firmvare version do you have?16:47
leinirright... you might need a usb3 port on a computer for that... turns out the wall charger only trickle charges until you can boot it up far enough to negotiate the full 1A16:47
leinir(happened to me the other week, wall charger did nothing, plugged it into the usb3 port on my laptop, thing boots and is all happy) :)16:47
junglizerusb3? I've only got the standard 2.0 to my knowledge16:48
leinirany of them yellow?16:48
gabriel9for it works well on 2.0 but i have 3.0 also16:48
leinirusb2 /might/ do the trick... worth a shot anyway16:48
junglizermacbook pro16:48
gabriel9do not plug it in16:48
junglizerit's plugged into the wall right now16:49
gabriel9it will burn all device which does not have i in their name :P16:49
gabriel9leave it for some time16:49
junglizerhah, well i've got win7 installed on it also16:49
junglizerand I'm on linux righ tnow16:49
gabriel9it is abomination16:49
gabriel9Win on macbook :D16:49
junglizerlol, well I am fond of video games16:50
gabriel9just kidding, i have also i Win716:50
gabriel9for games :)16:50
junglizerproblem I have is all the games now are huge! I only made an 80gb partition16:50
gabriel9that was my mistake first time16:51
gabriel9well you can allwayy play one at the time16:51
gabriel9Also check Heroes Of Nevereth16:51
gabriel9and Warface16:51
gabriel9free :)16:51
junglizerwell i play a lot of CS, so some variant of that (usually source) is always installed16:52
junglizerthough I am in the beta for Global Offensive16:52
gabriel9i play on work CS source16:53
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junglizerI did pick up Dungeons of Dredmor recently, that's pretty fun16:58
gabriel9turn based isometric camera16:59
gabriel9btw i have need to play Fallout 2 again :)17:00
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itsnotabigtruckjunglizer: did you get it working18:19
itsnotabigtruckalso, it's important when you try to start the flash from the powered off state18:20
itsnotabigtruckthat the phone is actually powered off18:20
itsnotabigtruckwhich means unplugging it and waiting until the led turns off18:20
itsnotabigtruckdid you try the method of starting from sync and connect mode18:20
itsnotabigtruckif not, try that18:20
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junglizeritsnotabigtruck: no, i think the battery was dead18:31
junglizeri have it plugged into the wall charger right now18:32
itsnotabigtruckoh ok18:34
itsnotabigtruckif the nokia logo doesn't pop up, it's definitely not going to work18:34
itsnotabigtruckit connects to the bootloader shortly after the nokia logo appears18:34
itsnotabigtruckalso make sure you charge the battery to a healthy level, like at least 40% or so18:34
itsnotabigtruckit checks the battery level when you try to flash18:34
junglizeryeah, I'm assuming that it's a battery issue at this point18:35
junglizerthe cause of it all was it hanging on a firefox update and then "freaking out". When I'd closed everything that was running and restarted it.... nope :/18:36
junglizerI would get the nokia logo and it would never move past that18:36
junglizerby freaking out, I mean that I noticed the icons on the home screen moving around and disappearing/reappearing18:39
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gabriel9not bad
junglizerit's a good soundtrack18:43
gabriel9cyber punk :)18:43
junglizerheh yeah, I'm in #reddit-cyberpunk right now too18:44
itsnotabigtruckthe dxhr soundtrack definitely feels very soundtrack (as opposed to ordinary music), but it has some pretty neat tracks18:44
junglizerI got the soundtrack when I bought the delux edition on steam18:44
itsnotabigtruck/r/cyberpunk has a channel now?18:44
gabriel9nice stuff18:45
junglizer/r/djs and /r/edmproduction do as well, and those are the others I frequent18:45
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gabriel9lol, they rewiew comments now on
gabriel9only good comments are good now19:12
junglizeri was bummed that @nokia never retweeted my stuff about the N919:13
gabriel9my too :/19:13
junglizerall the dickwagging posts about the Lumia irritated me so I just tweeted a bunch about the N919:14
gabriel9hell i was doing also19:15
gabriel9ask them alot19:15
gabriel9but now they shut me down19:15
gabriel9and i give 500€ for their phone19:16
gabriel9can you comment articles on ?19:17
gabriel9i have a colegue which is designer, all apple stuff and strange outfit19:21
gabriel9and when he come to my office he alswas grab my N9 and play with it19:21
gabriel9and say: "This is great"19:21
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wirwehey guys, trying to connect my N9 to my laptop (debian wheezy/testing), it recognizes it as a floppy and not as an usb-medium. do you have an idea about that?19:30
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junglizerwirwe: no idea19:44
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gabriel9try other USB port19:50
junglizerheaded home for lunch, going to peep the phone and see if it's charged more19:50
gabriel9also try on other PC, so you can eliminate one variable19:50
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gabriel9junglizer: gl20:55
wirwe`/lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules` has the following line.21:02
wirweSUBSYSTEM=="block", ATTRS{removable}=="1",      GROUP="floppy"21:03
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junglizerwell I ghetto rigged my microSIM back into my N90022:40
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junglizerused a bit of electical tape and plastic22:40
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tgalalHi, quick question, I'm using invoker to launch single instance app, which is working great. But the app when closed, it hides itself and runs in background. So when the app icon is clicked again, nothing shows, because obviously I need someway to notify the app that it's being invoked again, so it would show itself.  So this is where I'm stuck, any help?23:00
jonniso your using -s flag or single-instance command?23:01
tgalalyeah single-instance23:02
jonniwell that should send the maximize event to your background app, so maybe your app is ignoring the event to come to foreground?23:03
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itsnotabigtruckthis is why you should be using telepathy...23:03
tgalalif the app is in background (as in doesn't have focus) it works great. The thing is the app when user attempts to close it, I just hide it instead of totally closing it. So it's totally hidden. So I'd need to notify it somehow to show itself23:04
tgalalitsnotabigtruck: lol I still have no regrets :P23:05
jonnimaybe you should just minimize it to background like normal application? as your will run into troubles if framework cannot find the window id of your app that is running in background, forexample uninstalling of the app will fail.23:06
jonni(which also means that it will fail ovi store QA)23:08
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tgalaljonni: but how do I minimize it as normal application if a user attempts to close it23:10
tgalaljonni: that's my aim, close should hide, not close23:10
jonniheh, I'll have a new hw mod in mind, I think that I'll try to convert one of my N9's to have wireless charging feature :), lets see how it goes, I'll post pics when I have progress.23:11
DocScrutinizer~#harmattan flashing is
infobotDocScrutinizer: okay23:11
infobotwell, flashing is
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jonnitgalal: well you capture swipe down and send iconify x11 event to framework.23:13
jonni(that way users 'close' just minimizes in background, just like swipe left and right23:14
jonni(altough then you need to provide another way to close your application if you want to pass ovi qa, as you cannot submit application that cannot be closed).23:16
jonniie adding quit option in menu23:16
ZogG_laptoplol, the man of the day is here =)23:17
ZogG_laptopbtw would it be opensource?23:18
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tgalalZogG_laptop: most probably not in first release, I've to see whatsapp's reaction first hehe23:28
ZogG_laptoptgalal: affraid they might close the door?23:28
ZogG_laptopbtw the TMO thread is epic =P23:30
tgalalZogG_laptop: afraid I  get sued :D so less damage if no source is out at that time I guess23:31
ZogG_laptoptgalal: tell them that there is no internet in egypt and it's not you23:31
DocScrutinizertgalal: IANAL but I'd guess it's exactly the other way round23:34
tgalalDocScrutinizer how so?23:35
DocScrutinizerwithout source you're actively distributing and taking responsibility of a pkg that infringes TOS of some other site. With source available you could deny responsibility for the source and just agree to stop deploying the binary23:36
DocScrutinizerbut anyway, IANAL!23:37
itsnotabigtrucklol spoilers if you haven't played deus ex23:39
CreamyG31337i wish this chan wasn't logged23:39
CreamyG31337i don't even want to give advice about how not to get sued23:40
DocScrutinizerthen don't do it23:40
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djszapihey, say: I have an enumeration value for different items in c++, but I would like to list the enumeration string in qml for instance in a ui element so that the application user can select an item in there. What would be the best way to get the enum string in qml ?23:41
itsnotabigtrucki don't know about qml, but in general there's no way to get the name of an enum constant in c++23:42
* DocScrutinizer idly wonders what makes CreamyG31337 think the 181 users now online in this chan won't act in an unpleasant way on anything posted here, while a hypothetical 50 others that care to read chanlog would want to23:42
itsnotabigtruckthough you can do some magic with macros that would store the name of the enum constant somewhere it could be looked up later23:42
djszapiitsnotabigtruck: there is23:42
itsnotabigtrucki mean, an enum is just a glorified set of constants23:43
djszapitake a look at QMetaEnum...23:43
djszapiyou might wanna get to know QMetaEnum really :)23:43
tgalalCreamyG31337: lol I'm screwed23:43
ZogG_laptopCreamyG31337: there is private query23:43
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: that isn't straight C++, that's some weird qt moc thing23:44
itsnotabigtruckso why don't you use that23:44
itsnotabigtrucksounds like you already have the solution23:44
itsnotabigtruckyou do need to specify Q_ENUMS apparently however so that moc picks it up23:44
djszapiitsnotabigtruck: well, I hoped for a simpler solution.23:45
djszapiotherwise I will just hard code the values for now.23:45
djszapiZogG_laptop: tried kanagram ?23:45
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: not yet, my gf would be a tester =P23:45
DocScrutinizertgalal: if you completely hide your app, then you probably have to implement your own "single-instance". I.E. allow app to start multiple instances, then *inside* app check if there's another instance already running, and if yes signal this other instance to open up new window, then terminate this instance23:46
djszapianyway, a little bit of zzz for me. Good Night!23:47
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CreamyG31337tgalal, i'm just saying, if the source is already in the open, they are less likely to go after you. If the source is closed, they are likely to go after you to keep it that way. i am not sure if hiding it from them is worth it, there are some open implementations of msn and skype and i don't see those guys getting harassed23:47
itsnotabigtruckthey're no less likely to go after you either way, but releasing as open source hedges against that possibility23:48
itsnotabigtruckand makes it possible to port your work to other platforms23:48
ZogG_laptopand to keep code if ou would be arrested =P23:48
itsnotabigtruckwhich would be extremely easy to do had you implemented your setup the right way23:48
ZogG_laptoplike with PS3 scene23:48
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: ehm, no23:49
itsnotabigtruckno arrests, we're not talking about criminal stuff23:49
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ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: actually Sony arrested people23:49
ZogG_laptopand confscated computers for search23:49
CreamyG31337yeah he doesn't live in usa thank god23:50
itsnotabigtruck*sony* didn't arrest anyone23:50
itsnotabigtruckbut in any case, reverse engineering isn't a crime23:50
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: they asked for order for arrest =)23:50
ZogG_laptopand german police did the job23:51
itsnotabigtruckwell, with DCMA and similar laws, it can be if it's a drm system...23:51
itsnotabigtruckbut whatsapp isn't a drm system so never mind that23:51
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: i don't think whatsapp has the guts as Sony and strength23:51
ZogG_laptopnew PSN's agreement has the part when if you agree you an't sue them =)23:52
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itsnotabigtruckiac if you were concerned about legal issues, you should have RE'd the whatsapp protocol and published specs anonymously23:53
itsnotabigtruckor better yet, had someone else do so23:53
itsnotabigtruckthe latter case is "clean room reverse engineering"23:53
ZogG_laptopclean room reverse ingineering?23:53

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