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| aquarius | ok, now officially going mental; I can't get text to show up when I put a Label in the pagestackWindow. | 00:24 |
| aquarius | maybe that just loads a Page right over the top? | 00:24 |
| aquarius | ya, it does. bah | 00:25 |
| aquarius | so that screws my z-index plan, because labels don't seem to be allowed a background color? | 00:25 |
| aquarius | or maybe they are and I'm missing something? | 00:26 |
| Elleo | aquarius: is this for avoiding a list going over them? | 00:26 |
| aquarius | Elleo, yes | 00:26 |
| Elleo | when I needed to handle that I stuck a label inside a black rectangle | 00:26 |
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| Elleo | just gave the rectangle a width of parent.width and told the label to centerIn the rectangle | 00:26 |
| Elleo | hang on, I'll upload an example | 00:27 |
| Elleo | aquarius: http://mikeasoft.com/~mike/AddInstrument.qml <-- taken straight out of jokosher mobile ;) | 00:27 |
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| aquarius | that works excellently! nice one | 00:34 |
| Elleo | cool | 00:35 |
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| aquarius | grargh, what's the point in giving Labels an elide mode if you have to set the width of the label to a specific number of pixels??? | 00:49 |
| amppa | when would it elide then if there wasn't a max width for the label? | 00:53 |
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| amppa | anyone used the ShareUiInterface? it's possible to set a title and description when sharing a link, but i fail to see any sharing plugin actually using anything else than the link itself | 01:01 |
| aquarius | aha, I was wrong, you don't need aspecific pixel width, I was just stupid. :) | 01:04 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | ugh | 01:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i HATE co-op games where people don't cooperate | 01:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which is an awful lot of them | 01:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | like where nobody has a mic, nobody uses text chat much, etc. | 01:10 |
| Tronic | I can well understand not using text chat but mics would be nice to have, if people only had them and if games supported them properly. | 01:11 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | well, lots of games have good voice chat support | 01:13 |
| Tronic | E.g. in BF3 there is integrated voicecom but it is only along your friends and not connected to the game at all (e.g. members of the same team/squad automatically put in the same voicechat). | 01:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the problem really is that a) few people have mics at all, b) out of those that do, a lot of them have standalone mics and not headsets | 01:13 |
| Tronic | Might just as well use Skype instead. | 01:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which generate tons of background noise | 01:13 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | c) few people have any idea how to set the levels correctly so it's always way too low or way too high | 01:14 |
| Tronic | The el-cheapo headsets that people do have tend to be extremely crap too. | 01:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and d) a lot of people think communicating in game is for noobs and use ventrilo/teamspeak with their clan or something instead | 01:14 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | meh, most headsets are fine as long as the levels are set correctly | 01:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | even the cheapo ones | 01:14 |
| Tronic | A lot of airflow sounds, broken cables (= noise or silence), not picking up voice properly even if very close to mouth. | 01:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but also often the "mic boost" is on by default, which kicks the levels far too high | 01:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so you get terrible clipping | 01:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, that's v. lame with the bf3 chat | 01:15 |
| Tronic | I think that my friends generally have some old 90's headsets from the era of "multimedia computers". | 01:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's basically like teamspeak then, but worse because it only works with that one game | 01:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 01:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i've got some $20 logitech thing, works fine | 01:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just had to calibrate the mic level and everything was set | 01:17 |
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| aquarius | Elleo, you still around? | 02:52 |
| Elleo | aquarius: yep? | 02:52 |
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| aquarius | I have, I believe, a working U1 files client, if you want to try it | 02:52 |
| aquarius | just testing it on my own phone | 02:52 |
| Elleo | awesome | 02:52 |
| aquarius | which seems to not be responding to SSH for reasons passing understanding :) | 02:53 |
| Elleo | heh | 02:53 |
| Elleo | well send me a copy and I'll see if it breaks SSH on my phone too ;) | 02:53 |
| aquarius | let me just briefly test it here then I'll push to launchoad | 02:54 |
| Elleo | okay, cool | 02:54 |
| aquarius | so ssh is working , it's just really really slow | 02:55 |
| aquarius | come on, stupid thing! | 02:55 |
| aquarius | grr | 02:55 |
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| aquarius | not that the app works on the actual phone. | 03:04 |
| aquarius | dammit, | 03:04 |
| * aquarius grumbles. | 03:05 | |
| aquarius | talk amongst yourselves, I'll have it sorted shortly. | 03:05 |
| Elleo | heh | 03:05 |
| aquarius | how can the ssh connection be this slow? the phone's flamin' well *next* to the wifi router. | 03:05 |
| aquarius | how do I do ssh over usb? | 03:05 |
| Elleo | aquarius: if you use the sdk connector thing I think it'll setup a usb connection for you | 03:06 |
| Elleo | never tried it as the wifi works fine for me | 03:06 |
| Elleo | and you'd probably have to manually do 'ifconfig usb0 192.168.x.x up' on your computer | 03:07 |
| Elleo | unless network manager can automagically handle that now | 03:07 |
| aquarius | seems not | 03:07 |
| aquarius | ah, the phone's just doing its thing where it pretends to not be able to see the net | 03:07 |
| aquarius | goldarnit | 03:08 |
| Elleo | I get a similar problem to that sometimes | 03:08 |
| aquarius | wish I knew why this happens sometimes. | 03:08 |
| Elleo | restarting my router seems to be the only way to get it to start behaving again | 03:08 |
| Elleo | but I only have this problem on my home WPA2-PSK network, never on WEP ones or on the WPA2 MSCHAPv2 network at work | 03:10 |
| aquarius | Elleo, so, lp:~sil/+junk/u1fn9 | 03:22 |
| aquarius | let me know why it fails for you ;) | 03:23 |
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| Elleo | aquarius: cool, will have a play | 03:34 |
| aquarius | Elleo, if it works for you, I shall do my whole pathetic doggy look and ask for packaging help :P | 03:34 |
| Elleo | heh | 03:35 |
| aquarius | apparently there is a thing called pyside-assistant which Just Does It All By Magic, but I haven't tried it yet, and I mistrust it already :) | 03:36 |
| Elleo | when logging in I get an "Error signing in" message in the app and "error parsing JSON:SyntaxError: Unable to parse JSON string SyntaxError: Unable to parse JSON string" printed to the terminal | 03:37 |
| Elleo | just let me check I'm actually remembering my password right ;) | 03:43 |
| Elleo | yep | 03:44 |
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| Elleo | aquarius: x.response appears to be empty | 03:47 |
| Elleo | x.responseText rather | 03:47 |
| aquarius | hrm | 03:47 |
| aquarius | works for me, obviously. | 03:47 |
| aquarius | um | 03:47 |
| aquarius | This is in the first request? Where it hits login.ubuntu.com? | 03:48 |
| Elleo | yeah | 03:49 |
| Elleo | if I visit the URL in my browser and do basic http a json response with tokens and such fine | 03:50 |
| aquarius | wtf? | 03:51 |
| aquarius | it only gets that far if it got a 200 response... and yet the response body is empty? | 03:52 |
| aquarius | how does that even happen? | 03:52 |
| aquarius | the failure is in settingsPage, not filesPage, right? | 03:52 |
| Elleo | yep | 03:53 |
| * aquarius scratches head. | 03:54 | |
| aquarius | ok, don't understand why that would happen. | 03:54 |
| Elleo | aha | 03:54 |
| Elleo | it doesn't get a 200 response | 03:54 |
| Elleo | x.status is 0 | 03:54 |
| Elleo | and you check "if (x.status == 200 || x.status == 0) {" | 03:55 |
| aquarius | ah! | 03:55 |
| Elleo | although I have no idea what a status of 0 could indicate | 03:55 |
| aquarius | that's legacy-ish code | 03:55 |
| aquarius | from phonegap | 03:55 |
| aquarius | in a phonegap app, because you're technically in a file:// URL, XHRs return 0 rather than 200. | 03:55 |
| Elleo | ah | 03:55 |
| aquarius | that suggests, though, that you are making the app request but your page is not authorisedto make XHRs to the internet | 03:56 |
| aquarius | how are you running this? on your phone? | 03:56 |
| aquarius | do you need to give it some sort of permission to access the network or something? | 03:56 |
| Elleo | shouldn't need to | 03:56 |
| aquarius | running from the Terminal on the phone gives you way fewer permissions than running from SSH does, as I understand it. | 03:56 |
| aquarius | (if that makes a difference; I don't know how you're running it :)) | 03:57 |
| Elleo | all my things do network access without asking for extra permissions | 03:57 |
| Elleo | well I've tried running it as developer and user (via devel-su) over ssh | 03:57 |
| Elleo | will give it a go in a terminal now | 03:57 |
| aquarius | I can't tell you how to fix the problem (since I don't know), but I can be fairly sure that it's a permissions issue from Qt or Meego disallowing JS in my QML from making XHRs to the internet | 03:58 |
| aquarius | that's a guess, but that's *always* the problem when you get 0 status code and an empty response with phonegap stuff | 03:59 |
| Elleo | aquarius: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Developing_for_Harmattan_Harmattan_security_Security_guide_Aegis_examples.html <-- there's only 4 network related security settings and they don't really apply here | 04:00 |
| aquarius | I don't get why it works on my phone and not on yours, though. | 04:00 |
| Elleo | hang on, I'll poke at it with wireshark | 04:01 |
| aquarius | I don't think you'll see any outgoing connection | 04:04 |
| aquarius | I think it's being blocked by Qt permissions, somewhere :( | 04:04 |
| aquarius | I hate this | 04:04 |
| aquarius | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6SmAmkLuRw is what it's meant to look like :) | 04:05 |
| Elleo | interesting, if I make the request to mikeasoft.com I get a connection and get data back | 04:07 |
| Elleo | an ssl issue perhaps? | 04:07 |
| Elleo | nope, https://google.com works | 04:08 |
| Elleo | and https://login.ubuntu.com responds too | 04:11 |
| Elleo | that's strange, if I give it an invalid username it comes back with a 401 | 04:17 |
| aquarius | can you do basic auth to other places? | 04:17 |
| aquarius | ya, you're supposed to get a 401 if the data's wrong | 04:17 |
| Elleo | yeah, but its not a 0 | 04:17 |
| Elleo | so its clearly communicating with it | 04:17 |
| aquarius | hm | 04:17 |
| aquarius | he makes a point. | 04:17 |
| Elleo | and if I give my real email but wrong password I get a 0 | 04:18 |
| * aquarius scratches head | 04:18 | |
| Elleo | I think I broke ubuntu one | 04:20 |
| Elleo | if I do basic auth with grob on my phone I get: | 04:20 |
| Elleo | Piston/0.2.2 (Django 1.3) crash report: Trackeback ... etc. | 04:20 |
| Elleo | so err, congratulations your hobby project has found more work for you to do in your real job? :P | 04:21 |
| Elleo | the final exception in that Traceback is a "KeyError: 'token_name'" by the way | 04:21 |
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| aquarius | ! | 04:21 |
| aquarius | you're getting a traceback from login.ubuntu.com? | 04:22 |
| Elleo | yep | 04:22 |
| aquarius | ha! | 04:22 |
| Elleo | but only on my phone | 04:22 |
| Elleo | if I do it via chromium on my laptop it works fine and gives me a json response with credentials | 04:22 |
| aquarius | with the same URL? | 04:22 |
| Elleo | yep | 04:22 |
| Elleo | oh hang on, no | 04:22 |
| aquarius | how the hell can that happen? | 04:22 |
| Elleo | my fault | 04:22 |
| aquarius | heh. :) | 04:22 |
| Elleo | didn't quote the url when running it at the terminal | 04:23 |
| Elleo | so the &token_name got read as a new command | 04:23 |
| aquarius | which means it doesn't have a token name in it... | 04:23 |
| aquarius | shouldn't get a *traceback*, mind, so that's still a login.u.c bug :) | 04:23 |
| Elleo | yeah, if I do it with the *correct* URL I get a json response as normal | 04:24 |
| aquarius | aha! | 04:24 |
| Elleo | just not if I do it from within your app :/ | 04:24 |
| aquarius | so hitting the very same identical URL from grob works and from my app doesn't. :( | 04:24 |
| aquarius | how are you running my app? | 04:24 |
| Elleo | python u1fn9.py | 04:25 |
| aquarius | hrm | 04:25 |
| aquarius | that's what I do, too | 04:25 |
| aquarius | (well, I do python ./u1fn9.py, but I can't see how that'd make a difference :)) | 04:25 |
| Elleo | if I change the URL to just https://login.ubuntu.com it fetches the html page with a 200 and prints it out for me (since its still not valid json) | 04:26 |
| aquarius | I wonder if it fails if you just do a totally minimal python app which loads a totally minimal QML file which makes the request. | 04:26 |
| aquarius | Incidentally, what's this "Faster N9" thing (http://nokiaindependent.com/2012/04/29/mod-want-to-speed-up-your-n9-fast-brilliant/), btw? It seems to work by starving background processes of RAM and giving that RAM to the UI. Is this agood idea? :) | 04:26 |
| Elleo | so I'm trying to work out what in the URL makes it choke | 04:27 |
| Elleo | iirc the background processes in question are mostly things like the search indexer and such which aren't massively important, I couldn't see any difference with it or without it though | 04:27 |
| Elleo | but I don't really run in to much in the way of speed problems | 04:28 |
| aquarius | fair play, I shall ignore it then :) | 04:28 |
| Elleo | or maybe I'm just too patient :P | 04:28 |
| aquarius | I can't imagine what the deal is with the URL | 04:28 |
| aquarius | since it's a working URL in everything but QML :( | 04:28 |
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| Elleo | well its visiting the URL though | 04:31 |
| Elleo | because it gives me 401s when I give invalid credentials | 04:31 |
| aquarius | yeah. | 04:31 |
| aquarius | I don't understand that. | 04:31 |
| aquarius | maybe wireshark is the right approach here, then | 04:31 |
| Elleo | nope, that was a silly idea | 04:33 |
| Elleo | SSL. | 04:33 |
| Elleo | so no idea what's going on beyond "STUFF IS TALKING" | 04:33 |
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| Elleo | if I ask for the status while its still processing it returns 500 | 04:40 |
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| Elleo | (i.e. while the readyState is 2/3) | 04:40 |
| Elleo | I don't know if that's normal for things that haven't reached full readyness yet though | 04:40 |
| Elleo | aquarius: aha! | 04:42 |
| aquarius | that sounds like you've made some sort of a breakthrough? | 04:42 |
| Elleo | if I ask for the responseText while its in the processing state after receiving a 500 I get an error report back from login.ubuntu.com | 04:43 |
| Elleo | http://pastebin.com/kZmjKeP9 | 04:43 |
| Elleo | unfortunately the error message is use for anyone who doesn't have access to ubuntu's server logs | 04:44 |
| aquarius | hrm, an oops from sso | 04:44 |
| Elleo | useless* | 04:44 |
| aquarius | how do you fancy filing that as a bug>? | 04:44 |
| Elleo | sure | 04:44 |
| aquarius | https://launchpad.net/canonical-identity-provider | 04:44 |
| aquarius | it is mysterious | 04:44 |
| aquarius | since I can't see why it works from apps that aren't mine and it works from my app on my phone, but not on yours | 04:45 |
| Elleo | yeah :/ | 04:45 |
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| aquarius | anyway, it's ten to three, so I'm not thinking about it now, I'm going to sleep :) | 04:48 |
| Elleo | heh, night | 04:48 |
| aquarius | if I have any brainwaves as to why it is, I'll let you know! | 04:48 |
| Elleo | okay | 04:48 |
| aquarius | thanks for all the pointers that helped me get this far :) | 04:48 |
| Elleo | I'll console myself with a bowl of ice cream ;) | 04:48 |
| Elleo | no worries | 04:48 |
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| Venemo_N950 | hey guys | 11:44 |
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| Venemo_N950 | I'm looking for some advice | 11:44 |
| Venemo_N950 | should I trade my Lumia 800 for an N9 or not? that is the question. | 11:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if it's for no cost, of course | 11:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh, and if the N9 is in good condition | 11:47 |
| Venemo_N950 | obviously. :) | 11:47 |
| Venemo_N950 | I don't know that yet, but I'm not trading the excellent condition Lumia for a crappy N9 | 11:48 |
| Venemo_N950 | :P | 11:48 |
| Venemo_N950 | itsnotabigtruck, the only question is, what'll I do with the N950 then. | 11:49 |
| mankeli | if you are seriously in doubt, you can always give it to me :-) | 11:54 |
| mankeli | or sell | 11:54 |
| leinir | Venemo_N950: Well, then you can dedicate the n950 to what it was originally designed for - development :) And more heavy, potentially dangerous development than what at least i tend to use my main communication device for ;) | 11:56 |
| Venemo_N950 | leinir, true :) | 11:56 |
| Venemo_N950 | leinir, perhaps I could start experimenting with Nemo on it? | 11:57 |
| Venemo_N950 | perhaps. | 11:57 |
| mankeli | or nitdroid | 11:57 |
| leinir | Indeed :) | 11:57 |
| Venemo_N950 | nitdroid? what for? | 11:57 |
| mankeli | well why you would start experimenting with nemo? | 11:59 |
| Venemo_N950 | mer and nemo are a lot more interesting than android | 11:59 |
| Venemo_N950 | if I wanted android, I'd get some android device, not an N9. | 12:00 |
| mankeli | true, and meanwhile it would be still fun to test it | 12:01 |
| Venemo_N950 | maybe, but I don't think I'd be that bored :P | 12:01 |
| acpi | shame its not possible to flash meego onto lumia.. same hw isnt it? | 12:03 |
| Venemo_N950 | not exactly | 12:03 |
| Venemo_N950 | it uses a different soc | 12:03 |
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| Venemo_N950 | it has (almost) the same exterior, but different interior | 12:04 |
| acpi | aw :( | 12:04 |
| mankeli | yup, nokia jumped to the qualcomm-bandwagon for now | 12:04 |
| acpi | would be a nice 'upgrade' when they throw away wp7 ;) </dreaming> | 12:05 |
| Venemo_N950 | hehe | 12:05 |
| SpeedEvil | I wonder about the new intel x86 phones | 12:05 |
| SpeedEvil | And openness. | 12:05 |
| mankeli | and if they will ever get wp7/wp8 running on omap, it will be newer than the one in n9 | 12:05 |
| SpeedEvil | - don't care about the arch of course | 12:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, there's basically nothing in common between the n9 and the 800 besides the looks | 12:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | even the chassis parts aren't really compatible afaik | 12:06 |
| Venemo_N950 | well, I personally don't think there will be an upgrade for the N9(50) any time soon. | 12:06 |
| acpi | very curious what this mystery 306 device is. | 12:08 |
| acpi | s40 or meltemi v0.1 | 12:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | with that low of a number, it's probably nothing awesome | 12:08 |
| acpi | or did they just pick that because they've used pretty much every other number already :) | 12:09 |
| Venemo_N950 | who knows? | 12:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's a touch version of s40 now, right? | 12:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm betting on that being what it is | 12:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://c2499022.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Nokia_306-1.pdf | 12:10 |
| Venemo_N950 | hm. | 12:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for one, it has a java disclosure at the end | 12:11 |
| Venemo_N950 | mhm | 12:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, i'd suggest forgetting about anything new coming out from nokia anyway...high end nokias are over with the n9 | 12:13 |
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| Khertan | Morning | 12:13 |
| Venemo_N950 | itsnotabigtruck, yeah... | 12:14 |
| Venemo_N950 | morning Khertan :) | 12:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | now they're just trying to hold onto their huge base of brand loyal third world/developing world users, and get the mainstream to switch from their iphones and stuff to lumia | 12:14 |
| Khertan | i ve a little question, did you think that Pr1.3 will bring qt4.8 or did we still get 4.7 with minor bug fixes ? (i need to plan something that need a workaround in 4.7) | 12:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, actually, not sure if they're really aiming at iphone customers | 12:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | they're probably aiming at people who haven't yet jumped on board the smartphone train | 12:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Khertan: probably not | 12:15 |
| Venemo_N950 | itsnotabigtruck, actually both. | 12:15 |
| Venemo_N950 | actually, Lumia is a success for them in the US, they just don't understand that the EU doesn't care about WP7 much. | 12:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Khertan: don't expect anything of significance in pr1.3 aside from minor tweaks here and there | 12:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | even bumping library versions would be much larger than the stuff that's (probably) going into it | 12:17 |
| Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: i didn't expect something importnat :) 4.8 isn't for me something important :) | 12:17 |
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| Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: at least there will be some qt component fixes :) | 12:17 |
| Venemo_N950 | actually, after the N9 was done, I didn't understand why they didn't just release a few more Harmattan phones. | 12:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because elop put on the brakes 100% | 12:18 |
| acpi | hm I had an iphone 4 before coming to N9 | 12:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | n9 only got released because it was already in motion and it's hard to stop a train | 12:18 |
| Venemo_N950 | heh. | 12:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's a whole bunch of model numbers assigned that were probably supposed to be various followons to the n900 and n9 | 12:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and of course what ended up being the n950 | 12:19 |
| Venemo_N950 | yeah | 12:19 |
| Khertan | Nokia 306, no mention about open source softwares :) so just an s40 device :) | 12:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though...nokia has a history of releasing a bunch of redundant models | 12:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and poorly supporting most of them | 12:19 |
| Venemo_N950 | well, I'd gladly hear the whole story from someone on the inside. | 12:20 |
| auenf | 306 is asha? | 12:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's really a lot better to have one or two products in a particular category and do them right | 12:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | e.g. people remember the top notch nokia models like E71 and N95, but what about the rest of the N and E series | 12:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and those are the higher end models | 12:20 |
| Khertan | google : meltini nokia : second position of the search a tweet i made .... lol | 12:21 |
| Venemo_N950 | itsnotabigtruck, well sure, but if the N9 had a cheap brother, that'd have given Harmattan the motion it needed | 12:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | a lot of the nokia stuff has pretty inferior design, no firmware updates, limited distribution, etc. | 12:21 |
| acpi | e71 was probably the best phone I ever owned, all it needed was a minor update and i would still be using it | 12:22 |
| Venemo_N950 | itsnotabigtruck, plus I don't see why they didn't release the N950 commercially at the end. | 12:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw have you guys tried opptimizer yet | 12:22 |
| auenf | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/23/symbian_history_part_one_dark_star/ | 12:22 |
| auenf | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/29/symbian_history_part_two_ui_wars/ | 12:22 |
| Venemo_N950 | itsnotabigtruck, nope, what does it do? | 12:22 |
| auenf | good reading about symbian | 12:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | finally a (somewhat user friendly) application for inception | 12:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | overclock the omap | 12:22 |
| Venemo_N950 | ooo | 12:22 |
| Khertan | lol battery is already too small on n950 :) | 12:22 |
| Venemo_N950 | I don't want to kill it | 12:23 |
| Khertan | i ll more try underclock | 12:23 |
| Khertan | :) | 12:23 |
| Venemo_N950 | btw, are there any differences between N9 and N950 where the N9 is worse? | 12:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | some n950 models have a higher res camera, i think | 12:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | obviously teh keyboard | 12:24 |
| Venemo_N950 | apart from screen size and lack of keyboard | 12:24 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | n950 has lcd instead of oled | 12:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and is notorious for dead pixels | 12:24 |
| Venemo_N950 | yep, I know.. | 12:24 |
| Venemo_N950 | had mine replaced because of that | 12:24 |
| Khertan | didn't have any :) i 'm lucky | 12:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | whoops, got that backwards (this was about n9 is worse, lol) | 12:25 |
| Khertan | but i ve always network modem problem | 12:25 |
| * dm8tbr had a blob of black pixels and they magically healed themselves :D | 12:25 | |
| Venemo_N950 | dm8tbr, awesome! | 12:25 |
| * Khertan is happy is note takking apps is near ready ! With a sync to http://notepad.konstruktors.com/ | 12:26 | |
| Khertan | just need to design that preferences interface for setting login credentials | 12:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Khertan: er, what? | 12:27 |
| acpi | auenf: did you see this one too? http://m.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/19/mobile_phone_platforms/ | 12:27 |
| auenf | theres even a good article about hildon too | 12:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw spaces before punctuation aren't the typical convention in english (it's usually a dead giveaway of a frenchman :p) | 12:27 |
| auenf | http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=register%20hildon&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theregister.co.uk%2F2011%2F11%2F21%2Fnokia_hildon_the_great_lost_platform%2F&ei=DVueT5TDC8auiQektvnsDg&usg=AFQjCNEnIOm2lxyNd75FMskUSWP6xf0diA&cad=rja | 12:27 |
| auenf | err\ | 12:27 |
| * auenf kicks google | 12:27 | |
| auenf | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/21/nokia_hildon_the_great_lost_platform/ | 12:27 |
| Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: what what ? | 12:31 |
| Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: i m making a note taking apps to take note with markdown preview and a sync feature (tired of waiting for conboy sync :) ) | 12:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Khertan: like that, lol ^^ | 12:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and ah ok | 12:32 |
| Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: will works with http://konstruktors.com/projects/html5-notepad/ | 12:32 |
| Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: :) | 12:32 |
| * Khertan is also tired of waiting Nokia QA ... | 12:32 | |
| trx | also there is this if you havent seen : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83969 | 12:33 |
| trx | incomplete and a bit buggy here and there | 12:34 |
| trx | but for a first version its fine i think :) | 12:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | trx: what's the abc in the status bar? | 12:35 |
| trx | it means that the editor is in focus | 12:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw it's apps.formeego.ORG | 12:35 |
| trx | wow | 12:36 |
| trx | let me fix that | 12:36 |
| trx | hm they both work | 12:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also you could link the deb from the afm repo directly like this | 12:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://repo-origin.apps.formeego.org/harmattan/apps-testing/armel/txpadqml_0.1.0-0_armel.deb | 12:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also get a qr code in there, more people need to qr code up their posts | 12:37 |
| trx | i have never used qr codes | 12:37 |
| trx | i'll look into that :) | 12:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's not like it takes some kind of uber skill...you paste the url into the site and link the image in your post | 12:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | bit.ly actually has a built-in qr code feature | 12:38 |
| Khertan | trx: grrr you will ruin my sell of http://khertan.net/khtsimpletext | 12:39 |
| trx | hm, ok i can do that :) | 12:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then people can point meescan at their computer screen to transfer over the url and download | 12:39 |
| Khertan | ;p | 12:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 12:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, that's now 3 editors in afm | 12:39 |
| trx | Khertan i wont, its not in the store | 12:40 |
| trx | i cant pay 1eur to the store so i can upload stuff :) | 12:40 |
| Khertan | trx: was joking even if i hope too be rich :) | 12:40 |
| trx | i know :) | 12:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you're charging $1 for that text editor? | 12:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Khertan ^ | 12:40 |
| Khertan | Khertan: yep ... in the store | 12:40 |
| Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: it s open source and available in apps.formeego.com | 12:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | right | 12:41 |
| Khertan | for free, even if i'ven't update it in apps.formeego | 12:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's just that...it's awfully spartan for something with a price tag | 12:41 |
| Khertan | i m waiting nokia store qa to update it in both store at same time | 12:41 |
| Khertan | spartan ? | 12:41 |
| Khertan | what did you mean ? | 12:41 |
| Termana | Khertan, it means simple | 12:42 |
| Khertan | it s too simple to be paid apps ? maybe, did you try to do text managment in qml and syntax highlighting | 12:43 |
| Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: it s workarround and tricky things not in documentations | 12:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | > A spartan lifestyle or existence is very simple or strict, with no luxuries | 12:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | closest definition i could find | 12:43 |
| Khertan | thx :) | 12:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, basically no frills | 12:43 |
| Khertan | thx for the definition | 12:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and yeah, there's some complexities | 12:44 |
| Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: maybe but it s clean :) simple to use, | 12:44 |
| Khertan | not to develop | 12:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, you're still offering it for free, and there's a lot of much worse offenders in the ovi store | 12:44 |
| Khertan | qml is a such pain to do txt managment | 12:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | still, i don't like the idea of price tags on simple utility apps that are more or less universally free on other platforms | 12:44 |
| Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: yeah some selling Need for speed rss feed for 4.5 Euros | 12:44 |
| Khertan | :) | 12:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol, yeah | 12:44 |
| Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: i don't like it ... to be honest i didn't think i would sell more than 10 | 12:45 |
| Khertan | was to paid my ovi store account :) | 12:45 |
| * auenf waits for someone to see who's photo was at the end of the hildon article | 12:45 | |
| trx | itsnotabigtruck what exactly should the qr code link to? .deb? | 12:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm guessing you've moved more then 10 copies? | 12:45 |
| Khertan | trx: yep | 12:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | trx: yeah | 12:45 |
| trx | opk, tnx | 12:45 |
| trx | ok* | 12:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though... | 12:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you put the URL to the deb into a qr code generator | 12:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it'll be gigantic | 12:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | better use a URL shortener like bit.ly | 12:46 |
| Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: 69 (but it s not the same price in all countries, for example it s 0.10$ in korea) | 12:46 |
| Khertan | n9-apps.com generate the qr code for you :) | 12:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah but the instructions say to not put the .deb url in as the app url | 12:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and that defeats the point of the qr code | 12:47 |
| rzr | hi guys | 12:47 |
| Khertan | trx: did you write it in qml ? or use custom drawing qdeclarativeitem ? | 12:47 |
| Khertan | rzr: the third text editor developper :) | 12:47 |
| rzr | Khertan, have u tried nescesitas ? | 12:47 |
| Khertan | morning rzr :) | 12:48 |
| Khertan | nescesitas ? what's that ? | 12:48 |
| rzr | qt-android | 12:48 |
| rzr | i wanted to evaluate that port | 12:48 |
| Khertan | nope ... haven't any android phone | 12:48 |
| rzr | but i donno if it worthable ... | 12:48 |
| trx | Khertan custom QDeclarativeItem | 12:48 |
| Venemo_N950 | auenf, interesting article | 12:48 |
| rzr | I tested on nitdroid | 12:49 |
| Khertan | trx: you haven't any problem with text suggestion ? | 12:49 |
| trx | oh i did very much :) | 12:49 |
| Khertan | swype keyboard, vkd | 12:49 |
| trx | yeah | 12:50 |
| trx | troubles with all of that | 12:50 |
| rzr | trx, is your editor instalable usign a4m ? | 12:50 |
| trx | rzr yes | 12:50 |
| rzr | it failed last time i tried | 12:50 |
| trx | but i managed to fix them all | 12:50 |
| trx | rzr where did you try, apps for meego? | 12:50 |
| rzr | yes | 12:51 |
| trx | thats weird | 12:52 |
| trx | did you get any error "explanation" ? | 12:52 |
| rzr | cant install .. or something like that | 12:54 |
| Khertan | will try it :) | 12:54 |
| rzr | will do too | 12:54 |
| trx | ill try to reinstall and see | 12:55 |
| Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: more worse on ovi i notice some apps was free before and is now paid apps ... | 12:56 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Khertan: yeah, seems like a fairly common strategy to make an app free for a while to build up users then hike the price | 12:57 |
| Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: yeah and i like flashing update ... grrr | 12:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | eh, you can probably pirate it from somewhere :p though i've found astonishingly few paid apps that are worth purchasing | 12:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or pirating, for that matter | 12:59 |
| Khertan | trx: installed ... | 12:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but i'm also rather picky about ui design and whatnot as a few people here are well aware | 12:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 12:59 |
| Khertan | trx: it s me or scrolling is pretty slow ? | 13:00 |
| Khertan | trx: did you use opengl rendering ? | 13:01 |
| Khertan | trx: can't close menu by clicking outside if you clic on the text | 13:01 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | whoa | 13:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | somebody ported tux racer | 13:02 |
| rzr | nice | 13:05 |
| Khertan | pfff i ve try to use the designer in qt | 13:09 |
| Khertan | understand nothing | 13:09 |
| Khertan | does it s works with qt components ? | 13:09 |
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| trx | rzr i have installed it again, it went without problems | 13:11 |
| rzr | so i will try it out too | 13:11 |
| trx | ok, let me know if it fails | 13:12 |
| rzr | Khertan, well i havent look that deeply but i fear qml will not get a mass adoption for soon... | 13:12 |
| Khertan | trx: install ok here, scrolling look like slow (did you use opengl ?), clicking outside menu didn't works if you click somewhere in the text | 13:13 |
| Khertan | trx: menu file have a strange behavior, when browsing menu look like an other menu is still open in background and take the action | 13:13 |
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| trx | Khertan yeah, i need to improve scrolling, i wrote that myself, about the menu thats a QML bug where touch events aren't propagated as they should be | 13:14 |
| Khertan | rzr: i hope, i hate qml, but it s the only thing working in harmattan | 13:14 |
| trx | i will have to think of something to replace those menus utill they fix that event propagation | 13:15 |
| Khertan | trx: strange i didn't have it | 13:15 |
| trx | did you enable touch events? | 13:15 |
| Khertan | trx: else ... nice job ! | 13:15 |
| trx | Khertan thanks :) | 13:16 |
| Khertan | trx: i didn't enable it, maybe it s default :) | 13:17 |
| trx | if you enable thouch events for the bottom control (this case the editor) qml will send touch events to it even if its out of focus | 13:17 |
| rzr | ha i see you have sone odd behaviour on focus too | 13:17 |
| trx | and if its out of focus it will get focus once you touch the menu | 13:17 |
| trx | i had to create custom touchareas inside menu items so it would even respond to clicks... | 13:18 |
| rzr | btw should we continue to maintains 2 or 3 opensource text editors ? | 13:18 |
| trx | well, i was planning to add more features and fix those bugs anyway | 13:19 |
| rzr | i will focus mine on portabilty | 13:20 |
| rzr | plan to support lighthouse | 13:20 |
| rzr | it would be good to split the market :) | 13:20 |
| trx | hm, whats lighthouse? | 13:21 |
| * Khertan i ll focus on KhtNotes a note taking apps with sync http://konstruktors.com/projects/html5-notepad/ | 13:21 | |
| trx | nice, then we all are doing something usefull :) | 13:22 |
| Khertan | :) | 13:22 |
| rzr | trx, odd platform like ios etc | 13:24 |
| trx | oh that | 13:24 |
| rzr | not very useful for me | 13:25 |
| rzr | but this is just to test how qt is portable... | 13:25 |
| rzr | so far it's pretty limited :( | 13:25 |
| trx | yeah :/ | 13:26 |
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| Khertan | of course if you chose a limited os, framework will be limited :) | 13:27 |
| rzr | true | 13:28 |
| rzr | well java failed on those plaform , why qt should succed ? | 13:29 |
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| Khertan | qml : modify ... launch ... test ... modify ... launch ... test ... modify ... launch ... test ... modify ... launch ... test ... modify ... launch ... test ... modify ... launch ... test ... | 13:34 |
| Khertan | what a non productive process | 13:34 |
| rzr | you can insert revert into search step :) | 13:35 |
| Khertan | indeed | 13:36 |
| Khertan | and simulator bug | 13:36 |
| Khertan | relaunch relaunch relaunch | 13:36 |
| Khertan | test | 13:37 |
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| radiofree | you could write unit/functional tests for your QML and run those you know | 13:50 |
| radiofree | of course, that would only be for testing the logic and behaviour, I suppose if you needed to eyeball design you'd need to do it that way | 13:51 |
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| Siva | trx: Is this editor just for N950? i m not getting the VKB.. | 14:49 |
| trx | Siva press the "pencil" on the toolbar | 14:49 |
| Siva | trx: oh didn't expect that :) btw one more thing that I saw was whenever i pan the context menu.. app page moves on to file browsing view.. | 14:50 |
| trx | i am working on improving n9 user experience for the next version.. suggestions for features are welcome | 14:50 |
| trx | Siva i'll look into that thanks | 14:51 |
| Siva | trench: specifically.. when u have the file menu opened.. try panning it up and down.. u can reproduce it that way.. | 14:51 |
| trx | yeah i just noticed that | 14:52 |
| Siva | oops.. trx: ^^ | 14:52 |
| trx | this is a first release so i expected bugs, they will all be fixed in the next release in a week or so | 14:53 |
| Siva | trx: no problem.. I also got a GTK style window giving a Access violation error.. | 14:53 |
| trx | yeah, thats related to menu problems | 14:55 |
| flux | new dev tools update coming to device, any idea on changes? | 15:04 |
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| Khertan | flux: probably just an other fix for inception :) | 15:07 |
| flux | khertan, well that's what I'm afraid of ;) | 15:08 |
| Khertan | aegis-loader: Failed loading policy for 'fennec::/opt/fennec/lib/fennec-12.0/fennec' aegis-loader: Failed loading policy for 'fennec::/opt/fennec/lib/fennec-12.0/plugin-container' | 15:08 |
| Khertan | arf | 15:08 |
| Khertan | and prerm failed | 15:09 |
| Khertan | mouarf | 15:09 |
| Khertan | nice QA Ovi ... month to validate things ... i can understand why now ... | 15:09 |
| Elleo | even when stuff does pass the QA it seems to sit in limbo for weeks before being published :/ | 15:18 |
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| pa | phone shipped.. hope it get back fixed soon, so i can finish what i started :) | 15:32 |
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| Khertan | Elleo: there content qa (description, image, link, ...) and file ... which aren't done at same time ... nice when you add new feature and that users don't have yet the new version, but see the new description ... | 15:38 |
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| djszapi | pawky: pawky|2 ping.. | 15:53 |
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| Khertan | did you think it s a good idea to put a busyindicator in ToolBar ? | 16:11 |
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| Siva | Khertan: depends on how much space you have left in the main screen.. and ur UI.. | 16:27 |
| djszapi | why does every indian use "u" instead of "you" ? =] | 16:29 |
| Siva | djszapi: same reason u use lol instead of laugh-out-loud :P | 16:31 |
| djszapi | I dislike sentences like "r u there??" | 16:32 |
| djszapi | there must be some traditional indian resong behind because I see this usage most of there from such people. | 16:34 |
| djszapi | reasoning* | 16:34 |
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| faenil | djszapi, chat slang...nothing wrong with it :P | 16:37 |
| Siva | djszapi: Hmm.. lets see.. During ancient days, when people still used magic carpets, Indians used single characters for words and this got revived recently :D | 16:40 |
| Siva | djszapi: traditional enuf ? ;) | 16:40 |
| djszapi | Siva: y | 16:41 |
| djszapi | ;) | 16:41 |
| djszapi | faenil: it is not chat slang at all...same things happen on mailing lists from Indians... | 16:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Indians do not learn english while speaking english. | 16:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | They learn english based on their own language. | 16:44 |
| SpeedEvil | This means you get all sorts of wierd expressions coming through. | 16:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Then there is the fact that british english and indian english differ. | 16:44 |
| Siva | djszapi: it *is* chat slang. Just that you are not familiar with it bro. | 16:44 |
| faenil | I don't see it associated to indians at all.. | 16:44 |
| faenil | I started using it because it's what I read on all chats while gaming | 16:45 |
| faenil | you have to be shrot | 16:45 |
| djszapi | Siva: again, check out the mailing lists. | 16:45 |
| faenil | type as fast as possible | 16:45 |
| faenil | there's no need to use "are you there" | 16:45 |
| faenil | if you can write the same in half the words | 16:45 |
| faenil | or less | 16:45 |
| djszapi | you do not need, and I do not need to reply either. | 16:45 |
| djszapi | you save yourself few milliseconds or seconds, but in change, you cause reading issues for others. | 16:46 |
| Siva | faenil: djszapi doesn't like it and he has seen only Indians use it ;) period. | 16:46 |
| radiofree | U and You is pretty colloquial... I can imagine anywhere where english is an official/majority language people will use it | 16:46 |
| faenil | Siva, exactly, period :) | 16:46 |
| radiofree | whereas if you learn english you're probably never going to use it (it's bad...) | 16:46 |
| djszapi | Siva: huh ? Never said only Indians. | 16:46 |
| radiofree | and then on mailing lists, it totally depends on how you want to come across... | 16:46 |
| * DocScrutinizer checks chanlog to maybe find a reason to use banhammer on racist posts | 16:47 | |
| faenil | :D | 16:48 |
| Siva | :D | 16:48 |
| Khertan | djszapi: i'm not indian and use u everywhere too | 16:48 |
| djszapi | Khertan: have you read my last post ? | 16:48 |
| Khertan | no | 16:48 |
| djszapi | hmpf | 16:48 |
| Khertan | was reading | 16:48 |
| Khertan | just hot react :) | 16:48 |
| frals | hmm | 16:48 |
| frals | so i tried to get xbmc running on my n950 | 16:49 |
| Siva | Khertan: you still want to know if busyIndicator in a Toolbar is a good idea? :) | 16:49 |
| frals | which almost worked.. except all the shaders refuse to compile | 16:49 |
| Khertan | Siva: it fact it s not a good ux design | 16:49 |
| frals | so i end up with a black screen only, which kinda sucks for a media player :/ | 16:49 |
| Khertan | Siva: it s didn't let think the user that he can stop the process | 16:49 |
| Khertan | Siva: i ll do the same as the defautl email apps | 16:50 |
| frals | so, do i need any special opengles magic to make stuff work on harmattan? :/ | 16:50 |
| Siva | Khertan: yes it's not as such.. but for functions such as a syncing of a list or a quick refresh u could get away with that.. | 16:50 |
| Khertan | it s a sync feature that depends on network connection, so will not be so quick | 16:51 |
| Khertan | i ll do it with start/stop button and see it after ... | 16:52 |
| Siva | Khertan: I see but then when u are actually busy but not showing the busy indicator, there should be some text messages indicating the sync (ie,. Mail app).. | 16:52 |
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| Khertan | Siva: yeah i ll anyway put a small busy indicator on screen in the header | 16:52 |
| Khertan | not just in the toolbar | 16:52 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:52 |
| Siva | works! ;) | 16:53 |
| rm_work | ~update | 16:56 |
| infobot | somebody said update was http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2012/01/25/harmattan-1.2-beta-now-available-as-ocf-for-nokia-n950 | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~literal update | 16:57 |
| infobot | "#harmattan update" is "http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2012/01/25/harmattan-1.2-beta-now-available-as-ocf-for-nokia-n950" | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 16:57 |
| Khertan | Siva: thx | 16:58 |
| Siva | Khertan: yw | 17:01 |
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| Khertan | Oh my god !!! Lose 1 hour to try to understand where i put that bug in my python code | 17:31 |
| Khertan | and it s an other qml problem | 17:31 |
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| Khertan | a textfield with echoMode set to TextInput.password call the property set with a null object after getting his value ! | 17:32 |
| Khertan | nice | 17:32 |
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| Siva | Hyvää vappua! Happy MayDay all.. | 17:33 |
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| beford | its still april here, insensitive :p | 17:38 |
| frals | what me meant was happy walpurgis ;) | 17:38 |
| junglizer | Siva: thank you, but still April for me here. | 17:39 |
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| Siva | junglizer: its April for me too.. but party starts now in Helsinki :) just wished in advance! | 17:41 |
| junglizer | Siva: excellent. Though I did have to look up Walpurgis, though I do know what May Day is | 17:42 |
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| junglizer | alright, my N9 appears to be rather messed up. Is there a good up-to-date guide that someone can direct me towards reflashing it to stock? | 18:00 |
| beford | yes, itsnotabigtruck's guide | 18:01 |
| junglizer | okay sweet. I have that one bookmarked I believe | 18:02 |
| beford | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82693 | 18:03 |
| junglizer | thank you | 18:03 |
| beford | i've just reflashed mine yesterday after failing to read the nitdroid install guide :P | 18:03 |
| junglizer | everything go smoothly? | 18:04 |
| beford | yea, no problem with it. | 18:04 |
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| junglizer | cool. I was installing an update to firefox yesterday, and it started freaking out | 18:05 |
| junglizer | icons on the home screen disappearing/reappearing, shuffling around | 18:05 |
| junglizer | I killed everything running and attempted to restart it | 18:06 |
| junglizer | now it just shows NOKIA at the splash screen and sits there | 18:06 |
| beford | heh, just flashing main will work I think, you still have your data but the apps will have to be reinstalled though | 18:07 |
| junglizer | good, that doesn't sound too bad | 18:08 |
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| Elleo | aquarius: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-identity-provider/+bug/991591 <-- got some feedback on our problem | 18:27 |
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| aquarius | aha, maybe we're doing base64 wrong | 18:27 |
| Elleo | aquarius: also, fun fact involving the error id which was "2312carambolaubuntu102"; my parents briefly considered calling me Carambola :| | 18:27 |
| aquarius | specifically, maybe your username/password encodes wrongly with the base64 lib I'm using | 18:28 |
| Elleo | oh no, I see what's going on | 18:28 |
| aquarius | can you try generating the auth header for your u/p with the code I've used, and with Some Other Base64 Code, perhaps? | 18:28 |
| aquarius | oh? | 18:28 |
| Elleo | this whole "I'm going to write an ubuntu one app for the n9" thing has been an elaborate phishing scheme to get me to tell you my password. | 18:29 |
| * aquarius laughs | 18:29 | |
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| Elleo | sure, I'll give it a try when I get home; my phone battery's just died | 18:29 |
| aquarius | I am not even close to that interested in your password. :) | 18:29 |
| Elleo | but think of all the wonderous things you could gain access to with it | 18:30 |
| Elleo | on my ubuntu one account alone you'd get a half finish novel and an even halfer finished thesis ;) | 18:30 |
| Elleo | finished* | 18:30 |
| Elleo | I might try writing a half finnish novel at some point | 18:30 |
| aquarius | that might explain why it works for you in other things, and also for me -- imagine that there's a bug in the base64 lib I'm using which encodes things wrongly for 16-char passwords or passwords with unicode chars in or something. That'd explain it perfectly, 'cos the other apps you used, you didn't use the auth header generated by my code: you had those apps generate the auth header insead | 18:31 |
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| aquarius | half finished novel, eh? | 18:31 |
| aquarius | I've got one of those ;) | 18:31 |
| Venemo | so, is there a flashing tool for the N9? | 18:31 |
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| Elleo | yeah, I'll see what your base64 thing spits out and compare it to what python's b64encode does | 18:32 |
| Elleo | see if I can track down the precise cause | 18:32 |
| x29a | .flash venemo | 18:40 |
| x29a | ~flash venemo | 18:40 |
| * infobot starts a firmware update on venemo, then pulls the plug halfway through | 18:40 | |
| x29a | ~flasher venemo | 18:41 |
| x29a | ah whatever | 18:41 |
| Venemo | hmm? | 18:41 |
| x29a | Venemo: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79882 | 18:41 |
| beford | Venemo, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php | 18:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://venturebeat.com/2012/04/29/nokia-to-dump-worlds-most-ridiculous-luxury-phone-brand-vertu-for-265m/#s:vertu-signature-cobra | 18:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | interesting | 18:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what i'm astonished about is that they find enough high-money-low-class people to sell those ridiculous phones to in order to turn a profit | 18:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though obviously not enough of a profit for nokia to hold on to it | 18:44 |
| Venemo | lol | 18:45 |
| SpeedEvil | There is actually a niche for that | 18:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Stuff like Siri - but using actual humans | 18:48 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | SpeedEvil: presumably if you've got the money for those phones, you don't need the bundled concierge gimmick | 18:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's more catering to new money in china, russia, india, and the middle east, where it's all about showing off your cashflow | 18:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which afaik are by far the largest sales volume for vertu | 18:52 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | > ut think of all the wonderous things you could gain access to with it │ abinader | 18:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 15:30:39 Elleo | on my ubuntu one account alone you'd get a half finish novel and an even halfer finished thesis ;) │ acidjunkie | 18:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 15:30:45 Elleo | finished* │ acpi | 18:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 15:30:55 Elleo | I might try writing a half finnish novel at some point │ aep | 18:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ok...i thought i'd copied something but i didn't | 18:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | > The Arabic-speaking concierge service is the company's latest move to stay competitive. Vertu, which has more than 120 branded stores in 70 countries, is also adding concierge services in Italian, German, Mandarin and French. This service is already available in Russian, Cantonese, Japanese and English. | 18:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ok, so add hong kong to the list | 18:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, i really need to stop randomly selecting stuff and setting myself up for pasting it accidentally later :p | 19:02 |
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| Venemo | x29a, beford: awesome, thx | 19:17 |
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| trench | Siva: ? | 19:28 |
| Elleo | aquarius: your base64 lib misses out an '='s from the end of the message | 19:30 |
| Elleo | aquarius: glancing at the source =s is missing from the encode table | 19:34 |
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| Elleo | although simply adding it doesn't help, and I haven't looked at it enough to see what other modifications would be needed | 19:35 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | trx: fyi, i think there's a standard open dialog you might be able to use | 19:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm not sure how to use it or what the limitations are | 19:36 |
| Elleo | ah, =s is used for padding with base64 | 19:38 |
| trx | itsnotabigtruck i couldn't find any when i was writing that part few months ago, someone told me there isn't any.. i will look arround again and replace mine if i find it, thanks! | 19:42 |
| Elleo | aquarius: got it working \o/ | 19:42 |
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| aquarius | Elleo, yay! | 19:48 |
| aquarius | so that base64 lib is wrong, I take it :) | 19:48 |
| aquarius | Elleo, if you have a patch to it, I'll happily take the patch :P | 19:49 |
| Elleo | aquarius: just pull from lp:~michael-sheldon/+junk/u1fn9 | 19:49 |
| aquarius | schmart | 19:49 |
| Elleo | I could really do with some sleep now though, so I'll see about packaging in the morning | 19:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | trx: #include <MSaveAsDialog> | 19:51 |
| aquarius | Elleo, coolio | 19:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | build dependency is libsaveas-dev | 19:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not sure if that's what you want though | 19:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's also not an open dialog | 19:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hm... | 19:51 |
| aquarius | Elleo, I tried using pyside-assistant to help do the packaging, but... it confuses me, specifically because it puts all my files in the .orig.tar.gz but the deb it builds has nothing in it but the copyright file :) | 19:52 |
| trx | itsnotabigtruck i can look at the source and reuse the UI or model it after that one | 19:52 |
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| Elleo | aquarius: iirc pyside-assistant doesn't comply with the ovi store requirements too | 19:52 |
| aquarius | orly? | 19:52 |
| Elleo | or that's the impression I got from some discussions going on around it | 19:52 |
| trx | itsnotabigtruck it will be usefull anyways :) | 19:52 |
| aquarius | I am entirely and completely happy for you to generate the packaging stuff and tell me how to use it and for me to just merge that in ;) | 19:52 |
| Elleo | sure thing | 19:53 |
| Elleo | once its setup all you should need to do in the future is run "dch -i" to make a new version entry in the changelog then "dpkg-build -rfakeroot" to build the package and you're done | 19:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | damn, i'm finding nothing like an inverse of that MSaveAsDialog | 19:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | maybe one of the nokia people knows | 19:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, it seems to be closed source | 19:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also going by the google results, it doesn't look like many people have tried MSaveAsDialog | 20:00 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | however going by apt-cache rdepends libsaveas, lots of nokia stuff uses it | 20:01 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | ok, it looks like libsaveas presents the dialog you see if you go into the gallery | 20:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pull up the menu and pick save as | 20:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's pretty low key | 20:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it also doesn't let you set the directory at all | 20:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so...scratch that | 20:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | looks like a high quality file dialog ui needs to be implemented | 20:03 |
| trx | yeah | 20:04 |
| trx | i will have to improve mine (a lot) | 20:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it would be cool to split a really solid open/save dialog out into a library so this wheel doesn't need to keep being reinvented | 20:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but...they really should have supplied this out of the box, wtf | 20:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's a pretty basic gui library thing | 20:06 |
| trx | i was very surprised to see that it was missing | 20:06 |
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| aquarius | isn't the argument rather that you're not supposed to *need* open and save dialogs? | 20:09 |
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| trx | nope | 20:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah but you do | 20:10 |
| trx | if it is, i dont like it | 20:10 |
| aquarius | possibly you do for certain ways of working (although I'm not convinced, myself), but I think that's the reasoning for not providing one :) | 20:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | harmattan is a file based OS | 20:12 |
| trx | every framework provides one afaik.. they could have made a rule to limit the use or something | 20:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it needs a file browser | 20:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | presumably the lack thereof is yeah, motivated by some UX goal to cripple everything to the lowest common denominator because some people can't handle the idea of a file | 20:13 |
| * aquarius grins | 20:13 | |
| aquarius | this is exactly the philosophical discussion we were having yesterday ;) | 20:13 |
| trx | well, what ever the reason is, this way they will get 20+ diffrent open dialogs instead of having a common one | 20:15 |
| trx | i'm off to camping, bye | 20:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well anyway, maybe somebody who needs a save box (but not an open box) will find out about libsaveas now :p | 20:20 |
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| victorhugocalder | Hi, any news about features in PR 1.3? | 21:09 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | victorhugocalder: there are none | 21:14 |
| victorhugocalder | :( | 21:19 |
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| Necrosporus | There's trusted boot in N9, so how do people reflash the kernel into openmode? | 22:25 |
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| beford | ~open-mode | 22:25 |
| beford | ~openmode | 22:25 |
| beford | >:| | 22:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | infobot! | 22:26 |
| beford | ~aegis-no-thanks | 22:26 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, aegis-no-thanks is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/, or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/1.2/openmode-kernel/ | 22:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~botsnack | 22:26 |
| infobot | :), GeneralAntilles | 22:26 |
| rm_work | ~generalsnack | 22:27 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Necrosporus: well, that's what open mode is | 22:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if the bootloader decides that the boot can't be trusted, it enters open mode | 22:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | until you reflash the stock firmware and retrust the system | 22:29 |
| Necrosporus | What is open mode? | 22:30 |
| Necrosporus | I know it's something to disable aegis | 22:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | open mode isn't a particular kernel, but the bootloader mode that allows running custom kernels | 22:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | use inception instead =P | 22:30 |
| rm_work | yeah | 22:31 |
| rm_work | ~inception | 22:31 |
| infobot | <a href="http://inception.davepedu.com/">BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH</a>, or how you own your phone (see #inception): https://endno.de/~itsnotabigtruck/inception/ | 22:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, unless you have a specific need for a custom kernel i'd recommend inception | 22:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | similar results, much less fuss | 22:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | of course i'm not unbiased ;) | 22:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | open mode is good to have for things like nitdroid that require a customized kernel | 22:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: you saying like you developed it... oh you actually did =P | 22:32 |
| Necrosporus | ZogG_laptop, the url mentions itsnotabigtruck's name | 22:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's what he's saying, it's my project :p | 22:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | Necrosporus: i know, it was joke | 22:33 |
| Necrosporus | The first URL show only a flash something (I do not have the plugin) and that's all | 22:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: i know inception can be bad weapon, did you incept elop that meego too awesome and he got frighten of it and switched to WP? | 22:34 |
| Necrosporus | I'm not going to switch on WP, only onto android maybe | 22:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Necrosporus: the first one is a joke :| | 22:35 |
| Necrosporus | And specifically, Replicant | 22:35 |
| Necrosporus | Does N9 support Replicant (Android freed of all the proprietary software including google stuff)? | 22:36 |
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| Necrosporus | How do I a backup of the stock system? | 22:42 |
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| Necrosporus | Is it possible in usual mode without inception and other stuff? | 22:42 |
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| gabriel9 | hallo | 23:34 |
| beford | hola | 23:34 |
| gabriel9 | any good news? | 23:34 |
| beford | about what | 23:34 |
| beford | xD | 23:34 |
| beford | I don't have to work tomorrow, its good for me | 23:35 |
| gabriel9 | well i have to work tomorow | 23:35 |
| gabriel9 | :/ | 23:35 |
| gabriel9 | extra project and deadline | 23:35 |
| beford | hah | 23:36 |
| gabriel9 | did you heard that Vivaldi will have 1GB of RAM | 23:36 |
| gabriel9 | now i concider to buy it | 23:36 |
| beford | who is vivaldi | 23:36 |
| beford | oh | 23:36 |
| gabriel9 | not who, it's what :) | 23:37 |
| beford | KDe tablet :| I thought it was spar | 23:37 |
| beford | spark | 23:37 |
| gabriel9 | yes | 23:37 |
| beford | its the same? | 23:37 |
| gabriel9 | well they said that it will get 1Gb of RAM | 23:37 |
| beford | oh yea I see, thtas nice | 23:37 |
| gabriel9 | for the rest it is the same | 23:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 1 Gb...i hope not :p | 23:37 |
| beford | ram is cheap anyway | 23:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's 128 MB | 23:37 |
| beford | the should put 16gb | 23:37 |
| gabriel9 | :D | 23:38 |
| gabriel9 | maybe, well it is better then 512 | 23:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i wonder what a gb is | 23:38 |
| beford | :P | 23:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | :p | 23:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but an mb is a millibit, lol | 23:38 |
| beford | 1024 MB should be enough for everyone! | 23:39 |
| gabriel9 | for reading books | 23:40 |
| gabriel9 | and video playback | 23:40 |
| gabriel9 | also some basic coding | 23:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | one million pb (petabits) | 23:40 |
| gabriel9 | lol | 23:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | er,picobits | 23:41 |
| gabriel9 | i plan to go to school | 23:41 |
| gabriel9 | :D | 23:41 |
| gabriel9 | how much does it cost in your country? | 23:42 |
| gabriel9 | education | 23:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | uni/college is damned expensive in the US :/ | 23:42 |
| gabriel9 | yea i heard | 23:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it cares from a few thousand a term to tens of thousands | 23:42 |
| gabriel9 | lol | 23:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | *it ranges i'm rather tired right now | 23:43 |
| gabriel9 | and i'm wining about 2k € | 23:43 |
| gabriel9 | for a year | 23:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, that's super cheap | 23:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | government subsidized i assume | 23:43 |
| gabriel9 | well | 23:43 |
| gabriel9 | we are poor | 23:43 |
| gabriel9 | country | 23:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | is that for a major university, or what's called a "community college" over here | 23:43 |
| gabriel9 | Bosnia And Hercegovina | 23:43 |
| beford | what country? | 23:44 |
| gabriel9 | no private | 23:44 |
| gabriel9 | 2k | 23:44 |
| gabriel9 | comunity are mostly free | 23:44 |
| gabriel9 | or 200€ | 23:44 |
| gabriel9 | :D | 23:44 |
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| beford | oh, well I pay like mm 300 usd/ semester in my College, its a public one, best of the country =) | 23:44 |
| gabriel9 | but there is no CS on comunity | 23:44 |
| gabriel9 | education is to expensive in US | 23:45 |
| gabriel9 | you need to get a credit for it | 23:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, unless you have well off parents it usually involves going into significant student loan debt | 23:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the system is a bit of a problem | 23:46 |
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| gabriel9 | damn that politics | 23:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's not as bad as it probably sounds, but tuition is definitely getting out of control | 23:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that isn't just a US thing though | 23:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in the UK for example they raised the tuition cap to levels comparable to US tuition | 23:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which of course the major universities are going to raise their tuition up to | 23:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and with the economic problems in the EU it seems like tuition subsidies are going away early on | 23:48 |
| gabriel9 | my eng is to bad to ansver all that | 23:48 |
| gabriel9 | but i know this | 23:48 |
| gabriel9 | where there is monney, quality degrades | 23:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what do you mean | 23:53 |
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