IRC log of #harmattan for Saturday, 2012-04-28

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itsnotabigtruckhey Venemo00:40
Venemowhat's up?00:40
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itsnotabigtrucki've asked here before, but maybe people have some better ideas now01:09
itsnotabigtruckwhat is an awesome N9 case?01:09
itsnotabigtrucki'm getting rather sick of the in-box sleeve, it renders the N9 rather ugly, doesn't protect the camera, and collects dust01:10
teleshoesplus the top-left bit is so flimsy01:10
itsnotabigtruckit would be nice to have a sleeve or something01:10
itsnotabigtruckbut i don't know what a) looks nice, b) fits the n9 well01:10
teleshoesi personally use a pouch01:10
itsnotabigtruckwhich one?01:10
teleshoesjust a draw-string style bag01:10
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teleshoesprevents my keys from scratching the screen, and absorbs some shock if i drop it, nothing really useful01:11
teleshoesi dont think any sleeve will be non-ugly01:12
itsnotabigtrucki just realized i used the word sleeve twice with different meanings, lol01:12
itsnotabigtruckyeah, i'm thinking like a pouch type of sleeve01:13
itsnotabigtrucki had a proporta thing for my E71 but i don't know if they make anything that both looks good and fits the n901:13
teleshoestheres a leather one that is purported to fit it nicely01:13
itsnotabigtruckthe nokia one? supposedly it barely fits at all01:13
teleshoesi think its ugly, ugly, ugly01:13
itsnotabigtruckthat's the in-box case for the white n901:13
teleshoesan unofficial one01:13
itsnotabigtruckoh ok01:13
itsnotabigtruckwhich one?01:13
teleshoeslemme see if i can find it01:13
ajalkaneThe one that comes with white N9 fits like a glove01:14
ajalkaneA tight glove, actually01:14 a glove fits oj simpson01:14
ajalkaneYou can't murder anyone wearing the white N9 pouch, mind you01:14
ajalkaneNo wiggle room for holding hammer or strangling anyone01:15
teleshoesanyone know about this?01:15
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teleshoesPDair Leather Case for Nokia N9 - Book Type01:15
itsnotabigtruckdon't think the pdair cases are very good01:16
teleshoesi cant find the one im looking for; it looked real cow-hide-leather-ish01:16
itsnotabigtruckseems like most generic/generic-ish leather cases are to be avoided01:16
itsnotabigtruckin fact most leather cases altogether01:16
teleshoesyea, as a general rule01:16
itsnotabigtrucksince it's usually going to be some cheapo stuff01:16
teleshoesquality of material01:17
TronicI suppose for the cheaper stuff.01:17
TronicI suppose the biggest problem really is how they are sewed.01:18
TronicYou can see them already breaking in the stores.01:18
TronicBut e.g. Canon leather cases have been extremely durable, as well as most leather wallets that I've had.01:19
itsnotabigtruckTronic: right, but you can get actual high quality leather wallets from actual high quality brands01:21
itsnotabigtruckthat doesn't really exist with cell phone cases01:21
itsnotabigtruckclosest thing is maybe those noreve cases and those aren't really actually high quality either01:22
itsnotabigtruckjust expensive (for a cell phone case, anyway)01:22
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itsnotabigtruck'sup ukhamitov04:43
ukhamitovhow i can backup my apps?04:45
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itsnotabigtruckyou can't, really...but you could download the debs for the apps you need and keep those on your computer04:51
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CreamyG31337impatient ppl05:08
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Corsachmh did someone try to tether on n9 using wvdial?08:06
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Venemo_N950hey guys:)15:04
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aquariusgrumble. The tiniest python+qml harmattan program, run in scratchbox, and console.log()s from JavaScript in the QML don't print on the console. Are they supposed to?15:12
aquariusthis stuff is dead confusing; I can't tell whether it's supposed to work and I'm just thick, or what :)15:13
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aquariuscode (all 40 lines of it) at -- do I need to be grabbing a "console log" signal in Python and printing the parameters to it or something? As far as I can tell every guide out there ont he web just says "use console.log" and expects it to work :)15:15
alteregoNo, though you might have to setup a logger. Not used Python and QML.15:16
aquariusalterego, I am most puzzled as to why I don't see the output :(15:22
aquariusfrom a QML perspective, I've got the oncompleted handler in the right place, yes? That is: that console.log will be fired when the app loads?15:23
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aquariusjavascript *errors* are printed on the console fine15:26
aquariusmaybe I should just define my own signal and use that for logging. sigh :)15:27
alteregoI'd maybe ask Python Qt guys about it, it would be preferable to use the appropriate way of logging messages ..15:27
jonniby default console.log writes to dev/null in release binaries if I remember right15:28
jonniyou need to enable it manually if you want stdout15:28
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aquariusjonni, aha! How do I enable it manually?15:29
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aquariusthat sounds like exactly my problem :)15:31
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jonniaquarius: I usually add this helper function to get all debugging messages and console.logs into screen during development phase, and then just comment out that messagehandler when I release to ovi store.
alteregoI'd use a command line flag, but that's just me :P15:36
aquariusqInstallMsghandler, eh?15:36
aquariusok, that seems to work. nice15:42
aquariusit gets called for *all* debug messages, not just my console log messages, but that's fine :)15:43
jonniyou can add filterin in that function only to print your messages15:43
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aquariusoh, sure15:46
aquariusok, now I need to man up and read about displayable lists. thanks, jonni and alterego!15:48
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djszapihey, anybody having a Mac in here ?16:02
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SpeedEvilI have an apple product.16:13
SpeedEvilI mean to ebay it16:13
SpeedEvilTo be specific16:13
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Jarelol, why would someone pay a hundred euros for one of those16:25
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itsnotabigtrucksteam for linux is confirmed!16:36
itsnotabigtruckit looks like the articles are just echoing the phoronix stuff the other day16:38
itsnotabigtruckdoesn't look like valve put out a press release or anything of that sort16:38
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Termanaitsnotabigtruck, wow, slow down there fella, did you know you were going 100MBPS above the limit?16:41
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Termana100 million backpedals per second above the limit16:42
Jaffa_djszapi: My wife's got a MacBook Air16:42
djszapiJaffa_: I would need someone to build a simple qt add-on for one information.16:43
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djszapionly prerequisite is Qt on the system.16:43
djszapiQtCore, to be precise.16:43
Jaffa_djszapi: Does it need to be built (i.e. Qt Creator) - or just run?16:43
djszapiI need to get that built.16:43
djszapiI would need the information where the output library is built in the project tree.16:44
djszapiit is projectroot/src on Linux, projectroot/{release,debug} on Windows.16:44
djszapiI would like to make sure the relevant patch is cross-platform16:44
Jaffa_I'll set Qt Creator up later16:45
djszapiok, feel free to ping me in private. I will leave this channel soon.16:45
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itsnotabigtruckwhat's the most harmattanish way to make a messagebox16:52
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Venemoitsnotabigtruck: QueryDialog with a single OK button16:56
itsnotabigtruckVenemo: hmm, sounds good16:57
djszapiyep, that is what people use including me.16:58
djszapiby the way, how much usage did qt5 get on Harmattan amongst application developers ?16:58
itsnotabigtruckwell, it16:59
djszapithough, ok button is not stricly needed since it is simple to dismiss anyway16:59
itsnotabigtruck*it's not even officially out on the desktop, is it?16:59
itsnotabigtruckbtw how backward compatible is qt5 with qt416:59
itsnotabigtruckwould it be possible to replace qt4 with qt5?17:00
djszapiit is not fully17:00
itsnotabigtruckpretty sure that wasn't the case with qt3 -> qt417:00
djszapiattica built oob17:00
djszapimula did not17:00
djszapikhangman did not17:00
djszapikanagram did not17:00
djszapigluon did not17:00
itsnotabigtruckok, so installing qt5 as libqt4blahblah is probably a no go then17:00
djszapifromevery pov possible.17:00
itsnotabigtruckwhere *are* the latest harmattan qt5 packages, anyway17:01
djszapiat the same place like half a year ago17:01
itsnotabigtruckdoesn't help >_>17:01
djszapiwell, you should google :)17:02
djszapiandfrom February:
djszapiapparently not fully half a year ago17:03
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itsnotabigtruck looks like it's that17:05
itsnotabigtruckcould have just linked it x_x esp because your 1st link points nowhere near that and the 2nd one is 3 levels of indirection away17:05
itsnotabigtruckanyway, hm, last modified march17:06
djszapithat is what I meant by too bad :)17:06
djszapiquite outdated.17:06
itsnotabigtruckalso this probably needs to be synced to the pr1.3 changes to qt components17:07
djszapijonni: that page is utterly broken17:07
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: it is however the one i found that repo from though, so yeah17:07
djszapitake a look at the sources link at the end17:07
jonniif you want latest version of qt5 for n9 you can built it yourself by following
djszapiit was first only on the mailing list17:07
djszapiand then we asked the guys to put in there.17:08
djszapiI kinda hoped for proper links, and not broken when we asked him...17:08
itsnotabigtruckwhat do you mean 'broken'? they seem to work, except they're all to lauromoura's forks17:08
itsnotabigtruckbut i'm guessing that "stock" qt5 doesn't build/work on harmattan or something17:08
djszapibroken here.17:08
djszapiperhaps gitorious fail again as every single day17:09
djszapibut it is definitely broken here.17:09
itsnotabigtruckwhat happens when you click them...i just get the usual gitorious page17:09
itsnotabigtruckgitorious is unreliable but not that much17:09
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djszapiitsnotabigtruck: it works now.17:12
djszapiprolly gitorious outage as usual.17:12
itsnotabigtruck :/17:12
itsnotabigtruckdamn preorder dlc17:13
itsnotabigtruckanyway, maybe the qt5 port can be revived and included in a harmattan CSSU17:18
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gavinrharperHello! I have a question about backgrounding a Harmattan application19:14
gavinrharperIs there anything special required if I just want to keep the application running in the background?19:14
gavinrharperThat is, if a user returns to the main screen, is my application still running?19:15
gavinrharperI can only work in the QtSDK simulator at present and have no ay of verifying19:15
phakoit keeps running19:18
gavinrharperOkay, brilliant! So it just runs as normal... onlu not in focus?19:19
gavinrharperThat is entirely awesome!19:19
phakoalthough nokia docs advise you to be a bit more polite to the device then ;)19:19
gavinrharperDo you know of the preferred method to check if it is in focus?19:19
phakogavinrharper: no.19:20
phakogavinrharper: I did a hack to check that but I think there's an easier way to do this19:20
gavinrharperThat will be investigated! but otherwise, this is seriously good news! Thank you very, very much!19:20
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jonniah gaving went away already, right way to check is platformWindow.windowState19:51
itsnotabigtruckthis is why that guy needs to stay longer than 2 seconds after he thinks he has the answer :p19:52
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itsnotabigtruck < anyone know what component is responsible for encoding audio for bluetooth transmission?19:54
itsnotabigtruckif it's in the chip, op is probably out of luck, but if it's software and open source, it might be possible to add it19:55
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itsnotabigtrucklooks like apt-x is definitely a no go19:58
jonniquite unlikely as apt-x is proriatory codec19:58
itsnotabigtruckfscking proprietary codecs, they're a plague on the world19:58
itsnotabigtruckeven worse than patent encumbered codecs19:59
itsnotabigtruck(which is basically all of them)19:59
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itsnotabigtruckalso, finally it's an RFC20:01
itsnotabigtrucktoo bad that pretty much nothing supports it yet and even fewer care about that than dnssec in general20:01
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