| GeneralAntilles | Why is javispedro never there when you need him. | 00:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | because he kept a last tad of sanity and RL | 00:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, oh. That. | 00:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah. | 00:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or rather: "because he wants to keep..." | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | I heard this channel not always conceived helpful in that regard by him | 00:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 00:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lotsa trolls. | 00:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | I shouldn't complain since I'm never here anyway. | 00:41 |
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| alterego | GeneralAntilles: he does come on regularly. Just earlier :) | 01:10 |
| alterego | Damn finnish N900 keyboard mapped to english, forgotten where the comma was. | 01:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stupid timezones. | 01:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also: Hi, alterego. :) Longtimenosee | 01:24 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | 3.(Acronym) H.O.S.E.D. -> Hardware Or Software Error Detected | 03:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 03:34 |
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| trip0 | what state does the n9 have to be in for flasher to work? | 03:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | trip0: at the very beginning of the boot process, or in sync and connect mode | 03:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | your best bet is: | 03:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | disconnect the N9 from USB | 03:59 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | power it off and wait for it to be completely off | 04:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | run flasher -i | 04:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | attach the n9 | 04:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it'll immediately boot up and then go into flasher mode | 04:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | alternatively, go into sync and connect mode, then run flasher -i | 04:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and it'll reboot it into flasher mode | 04:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's probably a possibility that could corrupt some data though, i don't think it's doing a clean shutdown | 04:00 |
| trip0 | kk | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | trip0: the trick always is to get the PC side right | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | on device side it's basically same procedure for all NIT / maemo devices | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | plug USB of waiting flasher to powered down device, then boot | 04:06 |
| trip0 | mmm | 04:06 |
| trip0 | flashing now | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | since N900 booting will happen automatically on applying VBUS | 04:06 |
| trip0 | right | 04:06 |
| trip0 | i seemed to recall the n900 being "tricky" at times | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | not really | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | always the PC side that's tricky | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course you should have a 100% charged battery for flashing | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | also applies to all devices, basically | 04:07 |
| * trip0 firstboots | 04:08 | |
| trip0 | win | 04:10 |
| trip0 | :) | 04:10 |
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| Corsac | grembl, syncevolution doesn't work with my n9 back from warranty | 08:37 |
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| Corsac | ha, maybe because bt mac address and imei changed :) | 08:55 |
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| Piru | any ideas if I can send raw cmds etc to the nfc chip in n9? something like libnfc | 12:58 |
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| jreznik | just a reminder - Openmobility Conference this Saturday! www.openmobility.eu with several N9/Qt Quick talks :) | 15:30 |
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| Siva | jreznik: any live streams? | 17:06 |
| jreznik | Siva: not sure it will be possible, the sillicon hills guys usually stream (but only from theirs home place)... but you can expect it to be uploaded after the event | 17:07 |
| Siva | jreznik: cool! | 17:08 |
| jreznik | the schedule looks awesome this year, I'm happy we were able to collect a good amount of interesting talks and workshops | 17:09 |
| auenf | estimate usage time left: 10h 26m | 17:10 |
| Siva | jreznik: indeed.. | 17:11 |
| auenf | estimated idle usage time: 9h 8m | 17:11 |
| auenf | so i need to use it to make it last longer :P | 17:11 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | anyone know when/how the FUSE kernel module is loaded on harmattan? | 18:16 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | oh, great | 18:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | @everyone update your openssl pronto | 18:19 |
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| mgedmin | eh? what happened to openssl? | 18:34 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | oh, i just realized that FUSE is compiled in | 18:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no wonder it doesn't load the module anywhere | 18:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mgedmin: asn.1 parser vulnerability that allows remote execution | 18:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | seems that debian doesn't have a package for the update yet :( | 18:40 |
| mgedmin | oh, fun | 18:40 |
| mgedmin | it seems like every time I hear "ASN" being mentioned, it's in the context of a security vulnerability | 18:41 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | mgedmin: it's kind of neat in some ways | 19:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but yeah, asn.1 parsing libraries tend to be kind of awful and there's been a lot of security bugs | 19:06 |
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| djszapi | Hey! Anybody familiar with upstart in here ? | 19:12 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: what's the question... | 19:13 |
| djszapi | how to run a binary from an upstart job which expects a fully working modem since the binary would configure that over /dev/ttyUSB0 | 19:14 |
| djszapi | this did not help to me: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#upstart-udev-bridge | 19:14 |
| djszapi | start on tty-device-added DEVPATH=*ttyUSB0 | 19:15 |
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| djszapi | my binary tries to write modem specific at-like commands out during the bootup without getting any responses which means that the modem is not available yet for processing stuff | 19:15 |
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| djszapi | so stop myjob; start myjob fixes the issue, but that is not my goal. I would like to run the binary nicely during the bootup, already. | 19:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | does the device node exist when your program tries to open it? | 19:17 |
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| djszapi | yes, the serial port opening is quite good | 19:18 |
| djszapi | even after the bootup, the serial port is locked (by using the binary intentionally) | 19:18 |
| djszapi | and logging from my application, the serial port opening went super fine. | 19:18 |
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| djszapi | I do not understand why there is no option for running a binary (through an upstart job) once the system is fully set up. | 19:31 |
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| pa | DocScrutinizer, wanna laugh? now my phone is fine.. maybe coz it fell on the table this morning | 19:48 |
| SpeedEvil | pa :) | 19:48 |
| pa | :) | 19:48 |
| pa | well.. better like this.. | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | X1300 | 19:51 |
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| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: ideas ? | 19:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: my best guess is that it's running your program when the device node is ready, not when the serial port is ready, then | 19:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but i really don't know that much about this stuff | 19:58 |
| djszapi | upstart is a hilarious hack :D | 19:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so you're saying it lets you open the serial port during early boot but not communicate over it? | 19:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's really weird | 19:58 |
| djszapi | at least the modem does not respond | 19:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'd expect that if the kernel wasn't ready to do serial i/o it wouldn't let you open serial i/o devices | 19:59 |
| djszapi | serial port is successfully opened. | 19:59 |
| rzr | djszapi, hi are u using openal lib ? | 20:01 |
| djszapi | rzr: why are you asking ? | 20:02 |
| rzr | i planed to upgrade it | 20:02 |
| djszapi | I use it in QtAudio3D | 20:03 |
| rzr | k | 20:03 |
| djszapi | if you mean openal-soft | 20:03 |
| djszapi | because I do not use openal (Creative Labs closed source stuff) | 20:04 |
| rzr | yes | 20:04 |
| djszapi | yep, Chris updated to 1.14 | 20:05 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=fuse-utils&project=home%3Aitsnotabigtruck&repository=Harmattan | 20:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm working on a harmattanized version of fuse-utils | 20:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | after incepting it, it should be possible to mount fuse filesystems with no special permissions (via fusermount) | 20:12 |
| rzr | cool | 20:15 |
| rzr | but why repack it ? cant you just incept the regular one ? | 20:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rzr: nope, won't do any good | 20:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | fusermount is setuid root so it can mount stuff; with aegis, that doesn't do anything and it can't mount | 20:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | unless you run it from opensh or the like, which defeats the point | 20:19 |
| trip0 | so is build.pub.meego.com the de-facto way of making harmattan packages? | 20:19 |
| djszapi | not for soon. | 20:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | trip0: no...in fact not that many people use it other than rzr (for his public repo), me, and a few other devs | 20:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and supposedly c-obs is to be up for at least another year | 20:20 |
| djszapi | trip0: it has been the community repository for many months, and will be backed. | 20:20 |
| djszapi | (already backed actually) | 20:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also the mer people want to get their own OBS which might end up having the harmattan stuff shifted in | 20:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if intel/nokia cut the cord on c-obs | 20:20 |
| trip0 | are more people going through the store route to get their app in harmattan? | 20:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | trip0: by far | 20:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | relatively few people even know about OBS or Apps for Meego | 20:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and that's been kind of a vicious cycle | 20:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no apps -> no reason to use it -> no users -> no word of mouth -> no apps | 20:24 |
| teleshoes | {you said merpeople} | 20:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | teleshoes: yeah? :p | 20:25 |
| teleshoes | like, with fins and gills | 20:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | haha | 20:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | trip0: but i'd still recommend that people put their stuff in obs and afm | 20:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's a bit of a learning curve but it's not that bad | 20:26 |
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| * djszapi dislikes that he cannot reply to users giving only four stars and complaining about a feature which is already implemented... | 20:27 | |
| djszapi | in Ovi, that is* | 20:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: "only" 4 stars? | 20:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 4 stars is a perfectly good review | 20:28 |
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| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: not when you have otherwise five stars average | 20:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | this isn't like school where A = good, less than A = less than good, or something | 20:29 |
| djszapi | I mean that is the thing others see. | 20:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 5 stars ought to be for abnormally awesome apps | 20:29 |
| djszapi | trust me, it matters. | 20:29 |
| djszapi | like mine (TM) :) | 20:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 20:29 |
| djszapi | :-P | 20:29 |
| rzr | well the question is how wide is the user community ? | 20:29 |
| djszapi | just joking of course | 20:29 |
| djszapi | it is good they fixed the search engine at lesat. | 20:30 |
| djszapi | least* | 20:30 |
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| rzr | if therent enough users then we should ease up the acceptance process ? | 20:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so this is weird, i just got fusermount and sshfs loaded up | 20:30 |
| djszapi | if you type the substring of the application, like "hangman" | 20:30 |
| djszapi | you will get khangman | 20:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i run sshfs, it mounts, and the mountpoint disappears entirely | 20:30 |
| rzr | rename your app to hangelop :) | 20:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and isn't accessible even with dac override | 20:30 |
| rzr | btw i think redak miss only one vote @ http://apps.formeego.org/staging/applications/n9/pr1.0/harmattan/Utilities/redak/ | 20:31 |
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| trip0 | i'm having trouble getting my package to build on obs :| | 20:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i was reluctant to approve it before since it's not very polished and it's easy to obliterate your documents accidentally | 20:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | currently apps for meego seems to be in no small part apps that aren't good enough for ovi store :p | 20:33 |
| rzr | this is fixed in current version | 20:34 |
| djszapi | http://apps.formeego.org/staging/applications/n9/pr1.0/harmattan/Utilities/redak/ -> publishers djszapi ?? | 20:34 |
| rzr | this is a bug in obs | 20:34 |
| rzr | i pushed from shared repo the 1st time | 20:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | current version = 0.4? | 20:34 |
| rzr | and u were in that team | 20:34 |
| rzr | 0.5 | 20:34 |
| rzr | not released | 20:34 |
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| rzr | only in ovi | 20:34 |
| djszapi | sorry, could someone remove from there ? | 20:35 |
| rzr | but it miss the china step | 20:35 |
| djszapi | whoever has put me in there | 20:35 |
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| djszapi | me* | 20:35 |
| rzr | djszapi, u can leave the rzr:h team | 20:35 |
| rzr | it may sync ? | 20:35 |
| djszapi | sorry ? | 20:35 |
| djszapi | I would like to use c-obs, but not appsformeego | 20:35 |
| rzr | you're in the home:rzr:harmattan team right ? | 20:36 |
| djszapi | I would not like my name appearing in there. | 20:36 |
| djszapi | c-obs != afm | 20:36 |
| rzr | ok | 20:36 |
| djszapi | fix afm, if that is broken | 20:36 |
| rzr | then i guess you need to bug the a4m pple | 20:36 |
| rzr | can X-Fade help ? | 20:36 |
| djszapi | please do not publish my name in the future without asking :-) Thanks. | 20:37 |
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| rzr | i didnt | 20:37 |
| rzr | that's a bug in a4m process ..... | 20:37 |
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| trip0 | the music app doesn't seem to pick up all my music | 20:49 |
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| trip0 | it doesn't auto-bookmark either | 20:51 |
| trip0 | hrm :| | 20:51 |
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| abinader | is libmaliit1-dev available in some public repo inside sbox? | 20:53 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | [pid 2356] mount("developer@127.0.0.1:.", ".", "fuse", MS_NOSUID|MS_NODEV, "max_read=65536,fd=5,rootmode=400"...) = -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted) | 20:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | [pid 2356] write(2, "fusermount: mount failed: Operat"..., 50fusermount: mount failed: Operation not permitted | 20:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | dammit | 20:56 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | whoops, figured out the problem | 21:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | <request type="..."> | 21:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | instead of policy="..." | 21:09 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | rzr: still around? | 22:53 |
| rzr | not that far | 22:57 |
| rzr | i was busy os sorting 1TB of junk | 22:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rzr: what would you suggest w/r/t version numbering for fuse-utils | 22:58 |
| rzr | byte per bytes | 22:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's derived off of fuse 2.8.6maemo5 | 22:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just sticking a maemo1 obviously doesn't make sense because it already has a maemo tag from nokia | 22:59 |
| rzr | 2.8.6maemo5.0~itsnotabigtruck1 ? | 22:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, related to that, it seems like we need a common version tag for all packages like this | 22:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i don't really like just sticking the nick in there | 22:59 |
| rzr | so 2.8.6maemo5.0 ? | 22:59 |
| rzr | or | 22:59 |
| rzr | so 2.8.6maemo5.1 ? | 22:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in your repo, some are tagged with rzr, some are tagged with harmattan, some are maemo | 23:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | currently i'm using maemo5.0, yeah | 23:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it would be nice to standardize on something | 23:00 |
| rzr | i can understand you | 23:00 |
| rzr | but i think it's best to follow debian policy | 23:00 |
| rzr | but even the maemo pple dont do that | 23:01 |
| rzr | i mean nokia | 23:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | debian policy is very unclear about this sort of version numbering | 23:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because upstream debian packages don't need it | 23:01 |
| rzr | it's clear to me | 23:01 |
| rzr | look at what ubuntu is doing | 23:01 |
| rzr | that's the right way for downstream projects | 23:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the debian policy lays out the basic format of a version number and that's it | 23:02 |
| rzr | we're not debian | 23:02 |
| rzr | we | 23:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i *think* the right approach is 2.8.6maemo5.0tag1 where tag = some label | 23:02 |
| rzr | we're maemo | 23:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, no, nokia is maemo, we're not | 23:02 |
| rzr | that's why i suggested to use 0 | 23:02 |
| rzr | and let's hope a community repo will show up | 23:03 |
| rzr | and then we'll have the ability to use higher numbers ... | 23:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it would make more sense to pick 1 tag (that isn't maemo) and apply it to everything | 23:03 |
| rzr | something before the m letter | 23:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | does dpkg actually consider the letters | 23:04 |
| teleshoes | yea | 23:04 |
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| rzr | like X.Y.Z-Vnotmaemo1 | 23:04 |
| teleshoes | notmaemo | 23:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | how about something starting with h (for harmattan) | 23:04 |
| teleshoes | is AFTER maemo | 23:04 |
| rzr | true | 23:04 |
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| rzr | like X.Y.Z-Vbeforemaemo1 | 23:04 |
| teleshoes | heh | 23:05 |
| teleshoes | harm | 23:05 |
| teleshoes | is good | 23:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | haus: harmattan applications for user systems | 23:05 |
| rzr | but what about common packages built in freemantle ? | 23:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | :p | 23:05 |
| rzr | they can be reused too ? | 23:05 |
| rzr | see what i mean ? | 23:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, in many cases harmattan and fremantle require diverging packages because of aegis | 23:06 |
| rzr | i am talking about the source ones | 23:06 |
| rzr | not all of them | 23:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | harmattan packages need to build depend on aegis-builder | 23:06 |
| rzr | most of mine are not using aegis | 23:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and e.g. my fuse-utils package, i took out the use of the setuid bit and it definitely won't work on fremantle | 23:06 |
| rzr | yes but the sources are the same , like all those debian ones i just raw imported | 23:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's also corresponding to the pr1.2+ fuse package | 23:06 |
| rzr | i dont plan to rename all imported debian packages | 23:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | right, if there's no source package changes, the debian version stays | 23:07 |
| rzr | ok | 23:07 |
| rzr | so harmattan suffix could fit | 23:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but that's kind of long | 23:08 |
| rzr | but please use the -0harmattan | 23:08 |
| rzr | and please build .orig tarball | 23:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what about: | 23:08 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | unmodified debian package: 1.2.3-4 | 23:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | modified debian package: 1.2.3-4haus1 | 23:09 |
| rzr | haus ? | 23:09 |
| rzr | the rule is actuall : | 23:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | modified maemo package: 1.2.3-4maemo1.0haus1 | 23:09 |
| rzr | this looks good to me | 23:09 |
| rzr | but i would keep the harmattan | 23:10 |
| rzr | in case if the debian ppl may want to merge it back | 23:10 |
| rzr | they know who we are | 23:10 |
| rzr | Corsac, around ? | 23:10 |
| rzr | <itsnotabigtruck> modified debian package: 1.2.3-4haus1 | 23:11 |
| rzr | 1.2.3-4.0haus1 | 23:11 |
| rzr | i think this is the properway | 23:11 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | rzr: ubuntu does it like 1.2.3-4ubuntu1 | 23:12 |
| rzr | unmodified maemo package: 1.2.3-4maemo1 | 23:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i don't think they ever have the double tag case because debian packages don't have tags | 23:12 |
| rzr | but ubuntu is a derived project of debian | 23:12 |
| rzr | we're not even in a project | 23:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/main/libkwinactiveglesutils1 example | 23:12 |
| rzr | debian uses | 23:12 |
| rzr | 1.2.3-4.X for non maintainers packages | 23:13 |
| rzr | that's what we are doing | 23:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | epoch 4, version 4.8.2a, upstream package version 0, tag ubuntu, ubuntu package version 4 | 23:13 |
| rzr | we're out of the process | 23:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hmm | 23:13 |
| rzr | Package: libkwinactiveglesutils1 (4:4.8.2a-0ubuntu4) | 23:14 |
| rzr | -0 = this package is not in debian | 23:14 |
| rzr | ubuntu4 : but in ubuntu and this is the 4th version | 23:14 |
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| rzr | and it has been done inside the ubuntu project | 23:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh yeah | 23:15 |
| rzr | if it was outside the project | 23:15 |
| rzr | 4:4.8.2a-0ubuntu4.0${WHATEVER} | 23:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though nokia clearly isn't following that convention | 23:15 |
| rzr | and if it was accepted it would have been | 23:15 |
| rzr | 4:4.8.2a-0ubuntu4.1${WHATEVER} | 23:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | originally harmattan packages seem to have no tag | 23:16 |
| rzr | nokia should fire elop and hire all of us ?) | 23:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 23:16 |
| wook | rzr, i hope :D | 23:16 |
| * wook is going back to watch the movie :D | 23:17 | |
| rzr | nokia is not really following debian policy , hence the marketing name : m6 | 23:17 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | so option A is to do it the ubuntu way, option B is to do it the debian nmu way | 23:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which would yield the 2.8.6maemo5.0 version | 23:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | actually no, NMU versions start at 1 | 23:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | making it 2.8.6maemo5.1 | 23:17 |
| rzr | m6 means we can not keep the name maemo5 we dont want to rely on meego , so we're m ... and let reuse the version number for the 6th wind | 23:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://blog.zorglish.org/2008/07/these-version-numbers-have-version.html lol | 23:18 |
| rzr | debian accepts NMU , not mameo | 23:18 |
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| rzr | so that's why i thought zero could avoid collision | 23:18 |
| rzr | this blog didnt list my naming scheme :-) | 23:19 |
| rzr | 0.0.YYYYMMDD${WHATEVER} | 23:20 |
| rzr | i use this for snapshots | 23:20 |
| rzr | 0.0 is low enough to avoid collision again | 23:20 |
| rzr | itsnotabigtruck, i am unsure those naming are this important for now | 23:21 |
| rzr | but the question is what naming should ensure ? | 23:21 |
| rzr | no collision | 23:21 |
| rzr | no overtake | 23:21 |
| rzr | and respect debian policy | 23:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, it should also be understandable and nice and consistent | 23:22 |
| rzr | and future proof | 23:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | like i said we're kinda out of the scope of debian policy because this isn't something you do under debian policy | 23:22 |
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| rzr | i dont want to reinvent the weal | 23:22 |
| rzr | ubuntu is doing a smart way , not nokia | 23:23 |
| rzr | the problem is that we have several upstream | 23:23 |
| rzr | and our 1st one is doing the worst one | 23:24 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | so the 1.2.3-4maemo1.0tag1 seems like the way to go | 23:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which is > 1.2.3-4maemo1 but < 1.2.3-4maemo1.1 | 23:27 |
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| rzr | that was my idea right | 23:30 |
| * rzr vote for tag=harmattan | 23:31 | |
| rzr | of ~$USER | 23:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | on second thought the > 1.2.3-4.0haus1 < is a good idea too | 23:31 |
| rzr | -of+or | 23:31 |
| mankeli | haus? | 23:31 |
| rzr | why haus ? | 23:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not necessarily haus, i copypasted that from above | 23:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but the haus was Harmattan Applications for User Systems | 23:31 |
| rzr | what about libs ? | 23:32 |
| teleshoes | whatever a user system is | 23:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because it sounds cooler than "harm" | 23:32 |
| rzr | what about non user packages too ? | 23:32 |
| teleshoes | id rather haus stand for nothing | 23:32 |
| teleshoes | just haus | 23:32 |
| rzr | is "harmattan" too long ? | 23:33 |
| teleshoes | its fairly long | 23:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, i don't think there's a limit, it just makes the versions look bulky | 23:33 |
| teleshoes | yea | 23:33 |
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| mankeli | haus is the introduction of completely new term, and "harm" sounds ugly | 23:33 |
| teleshoes | harm is the best ive hard | 23:33 |
| teleshoes | haus is cool | 23:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | harm sounds like it'll kill you :p | 23:33 |
| teleshoes | yea | 23:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | how about hbloc (harmattan bloc) | 23:33 |
| mankeli | jep | 23:33 |
| teleshoes | two syllables | 23:34 |
| * rzr still likes to keep distro name | 23:34 | |
| teleshoes | theres a point in that | 23:34 |
| mankeli | maemo6 | 23:34 |
| teleshoes | unfortunately, nokia has maemo covered | 23:34 |
| rzr | there is already enough fragmantation and confusion | 23:34 |
| teleshoes | i agree, harmattan would be best | 23:34 |
| rzr | so harmattan or nattamrah :-) | 23:34 |
| trip0 | lol | 23:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | haha | 23:35 |
| rzr | nattamrah would be a fucking great marketting name | 23:35 |
| mankeli | nattamrah sounds like a place in bible | 23:35 |
| teleshoes | heh | 23:35 |
| rzr | or kurran to me | 23:35 |
| teleshoes | easily conflated | 23:36 |
| mankeli | some hebrew city name anyway | 23:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | debharm? | 23:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | maemian | 23:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 23:36 |
| teleshoes | maemian, lol | 23:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemian looks like it's already taken :( | 23:37 |
| teleshoes | weird | 23:37 |
| mankeli | meemo, a pun of maemo,meego and meme | 23:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ooh, that actually sounds kinda cool | 23:37 |
| teleshoes | meh | 23:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | does it need to be less than maemo | 23:37 |
| rzr | deblet | 23:37 |
| teleshoes | harmattan is the only thing that has any real precedent | 23:38 |
| rzr | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRRF-fBrGEM | 23:38 |
| teleshoes | deblet has got to be the nastiest sounding thing in the universe | 23:38 |
| teleshoes | gibblets | 23:38 |
| rzr | btw what do you think about resurecting the debmer project ? | 23:39 |
| rzr | neemolet | 23:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | haus still seems better than a lot of the others | 23:40 |
| rzr | :-) | 23:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol teleshoes | 23:40 |
| mankeli | haus is one pronounces house in finnish, and it reminds me of dr.house | 23:40 |
| mankeli | is how one* | 23:40 |
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| rzr | so what are the candidates ? please sort them | 23:41 |
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| mankeli | haus, harm, harmattan, nattamrah, maemian, meemo, deblet | 23:41 |
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| mankeli | hmm, i didn't know that those aegis capabilities are actually been in linux since 2.2 kernels | 23:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: yeah, it's not aegis specific and it's not new | 23:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the CAP ones that is | 23:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it's not ver well known either | 23:51 |
| mankeli | therefore aegis is only a mechanism to give processes those caps, depending on the package | 23:52 |
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| DrGrov | Hi | 23:53 |
| mankeli | i wonder if only the file hash-checking part of it can be disabled | 23:53 |
| DrGrov | Does someone have a link to the manual of the N9 as a PDF file? Preferrably in Swedish, but English will do | 23:53 |
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| mankeli | itsnotabigtruck: did you by the way already make a new deb of fuse-utils? i read that you were playing with fusermount | 23:55 |
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| rzr | mankeli, now we have to sort them | 23:58 |
| DrGrov | Anyone got the N9 manual in English then? :) | 23:58 |
| DrGrov | I do not seem to find it on Nokia's webpage | 23:58 |
| mankeli | length: haus harm meemo, deblet, maemian, harmattan nattamrah | 23:58 |
| mankeli | crappiness: deblet maemian nattamrah meemo harm haus harmattan | 23:59 |
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