IRC log of #harmattan for Thursday, 2012-04-12

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javispedroactually i cannot think of any arm instruction that could require 16 bytes alignment?00:00
itsnotabigtruckjavispedro: neon loads/stores maybe?00:00
javispedronot saying it is completely unnecesary (e.g. avoid false sharing), but it should work00:02
itsnotabigtruckjavispedro: it looks like the 16-aligned nonce is passed directly into ae_encrypt00:02
itsnotabigtruckwhich is the OCB mode reference code00:02
javispedrowell unless you are bored I'd remove the check instead of battling the toolchain for now00:03
itsnotabigtruckthe nonce is accessed as a 32-bit word00:04
itsnotabigtruckso it needs to be 4 aligned but not 16 aligned00:04
mankelii think the problem is in src/crypto/crypto.h:5300:05
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mankeli char bytes[ 12 ] __attribute__((__aligned__ (16)));00:05
javispedrowait a moment00:05
javispedro_in a class_??? they put that in A C++ class?00:06
javispedro is the file?00:06
mankelifor some reason, that alignment tip is not being respected00:06
javispedrothat's friggin insane00:06
javispedroat least the class is a POD00:06
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mankelijavispedro: yeah, row 77 in there it seems00:07
javispedrothat statement is exactly a NOOP00:07
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javispedrook, untrue, it would do something if you were to allocate an array of those. in the stack.00:08
mankelinonce's data() method returns pointer to that private member bytes, and the result of data() method is later being checked for alignment00:08
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javispedroyou should check where Nonce is allocated the00:08
javispedrofound it00:09
javispedroon the stack00:09
javispedrowell that is actually weirder, on ARM the stack is 16 byte aligned00:09
mankeliforcing an alignment of certain class _member_ sounds very suspicious to me00:09
mankelimight be some compiler-specific behavior00:09
javispedroI don't know if gcc supports attribute(aligned(N)) on the stack00:11
itsnotabigtrucki changed the alignment stuff to 4, not 1600:11
itsnotabigtruckmankeli: well, it's obviously compiler specific behavior, it's using a compiler specific keyword :p00:12
itsnotabigtruckthe gcc manual says aligning a struct member is ok00:12
javispedro ?00:12
mankeliweird then00:12
javispedrothere, I'm afraid your problem is yet another gcc bug!00:13
itsnotabigtruckit's probably enforcing the 16 alignment just to make things faster on x8600:13
javispedroaka SSE00:13
mankeliitsnotabigtruck: you didn't fix the allocation, just the error? :-D00:13
itsnotabigtruckmankeli: hm? i changed the alignment from 16 to 4, which is less than or equal to 800:14
javispedroitsnotabigtruck: you mean you changed the test?00:14
itsnotabigtruckit has to be 4 aligned because the AES-OCB code makes word reads from the nonce pointer00:14
itsnotabigtruckjavispedro: and the __aligned__ directives too00:14
mankelirules, i can't wait to test00:16
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itsnotabigtruckok, it finished00:21
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petteriguys ping me if you get the aligned problem worked out, going to sleep. good luck!00:23
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javispedroit's probably already sorted out by now =)00:23
javispedroyou should file a bug that they should only require the alignment if the platform does sse (e.g. via #ifdef)00:24
itsnotabigtruckhm, good idea00:25
itsnotabigtruckalso the next step would be to add an icon and aegis manifest00:25
itsnotabigtrucki guess mosh-server should inherit all credentials while mosh-client should drop them instead00:26
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mankelihow those deb names break up btw? mosh_1.1.3-1maemo2_armel.deb = mosh 1.1.3, 1 something, for maemo, revision 2 of the package itself, armel platform ?00:29
javispedromosh 1.1.3, debian packaging version 1, maemo packaging version 2, armel debian architecture00:30
javispedromankeli: you can read this here:
itsnotabigtruckyeah, a normal debian version looks like 1.1.3-100:32
itsnotabigtruckwhere it's software version 1.1.3, package version 100:32
itsnotabigtruckso if they modify the package before 1.1.4 comes out then it becomes 1.1.3-200:32
itsnotabigtruckand then this package is a maemo variant of the upstream debian package, so that makes 1.1.3-1maemo00:33
mankeliyup, works both ways00:33
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itsnotabigtruckand then it's the 2nd modification to the maemo variant so that makes it 1.1.3-1maemo200:33
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itsnotabigtruckthere's even more punctuation used in various sorts of debian versions00:33
mankeliand no complaining about the alignment00:33
itsnotabigtruckanyway, that maemo scheme is the same thing ubuntu does00:33
mankelicongrats :-)00:33
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mankelinow just quickly post those packages to and you have the first published mosh for any mobile phone!00:35
mankelismoke those android/ios lamers ;-)00:35
itsnotabigtruckis there a 64x64 icon for mosh00:36
javispedrothe ios/android lamers will probably implement local echo in the graphical terminal emulator app where it belongs =)00:37
javispedro(e.g. gnome-terminal/libvte already seemingly has partially similar logic for input method preediting, which I tried yesterday =) )00:38
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HAMIDx9oh , it is very frustrating , no one knows about layout file for rootfs ?00:50
HAMIDx9so strange for adding a text file 22 MB larger than orig one !00:51
itsnotabigtruckHAMIDx9: do a 'strings' on the original fiasco00:54
itsnotabigtruckyou'll see something with curly brackets00:54
itsnotabigtruckthat's the layout file00:54
itsnotabigtruckcopy it and put it into fiasco-gen00:55
javispedrolol, tomi ahonen is at it again:
HAMIDx9itsnotabingtruck : thanks , i try it .00:57
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mankelibah, mosh doesn't work with fingerterm01:04
itsnotabigtruckjavispedro mankeli: when this is done rebuilding
itsnotabigtruckcould you test the maemo3 version01:04
itsnotabigtrucki added an aegis manifest that is supposed to cause mosh-client and mosh to never run with credentials01:04
itsnotabigtruckmosh-server should still inherit credentials01:05
javispedro(I don't have the server part anywhere)01:05
mankeliit's in the package01:06
itsnotabigtruckyeah, you just install mosh on both the server and the client01:07
itsnotabigtruckthe client SSHes into the server and invokes the MOSH server01:07
* mankeli is waiting for crypto expert opinions on mosh01:10
mankeliwell, given the ssh-based launching i guess it's secure enough for irc :-)01:10
javispedrossh-based _launching_ ?01:11
itsnotabigtruckjavispedro: yeah, it uses ssh to launch a server that listens on udp01:11
itsnotabigtruckthe udp session is protected with aes-128-ocb01:11
itsnotabigtrucki'm not sure how the keying is done but i guess the key gets passed to the server through ssh or something01:11
mankeliyeah, "mosh" is just a perl script that connects to the host with ssh, then spawns mosh-server automatically which in turn returns udp port and a key, and then launchs mosh-client01:12
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itsnotabigtruckwhich is one problem right do you deal with that in your firewall01:13
javispedroand all of that for local echo?01:13
itsnotabigtruckyou can explicitly ask for a port but that seems inconvenient01:13
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itsnotabigtruckjavispedro: and connection mobility01:13
itsnotabigtruckwhich is kind of a big deal, esp on a phone01:13
mankeliitsnotabigtruck: it uses udp ports 60000-61000 as default. just open those01:13
javispedroah, screen01:13
javispedrothat's what the server is for then... but UDP??01:13
itsnotabigtruckprobably to better handle crappy connections?01:14
mankelii think the prediction is a little bit more advanced than just local echo01:14
itsnotabigtrucktcp is probably the main cause of ssh's lag problems01:14
itsnotabigtruckit's supposed to be reliable after all, not smooth01:14
mankeliit also clearly shows which parts of the screen are predicted and which ones not01:15
javispedroand you don't want reliability? =)01:15
itsnotabigtruckjavispedro: on a crappy connection...i want the absolute minimum amount of reliability while having a smooth experience01:15
mankeliand udp makes it work even with roaming01:15
javispedromankeli: you should try gnome-terminal/libvte with a input method01:15
javispedromankeli: it does exactly the same...01:16
mankelii guess even if phone ip address suddenly changes01:16
itsnotabigtrucki'm getting *really* tired of constantly dropping ssh connections, then having to reauth over and over01:16
mankelijavispedro: on n9?01:16
javispedroI tried on my N950 actually =)01:17
Velmontmosh, waat? That seems nice!01:17
javispedromankeli: yesterday I was playing with showing the vkb on easy debian, and I noticed that gnome-terminal was smart enough to do that when preediting01:18
itsnotabigtruckdammit, the maemo3 build failed01:18
itsnotabigtrucki forgot to include aegis-builder as a buildep01:18
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javispedropreediting is when you want to show the string "on the spot" but not yet mark it as "commited" or "done with" (because maybe you are waiting for the user to pick on the list of autocorrection words, etc.)01:19
javispedroso of course gnome-terminal has to show it on place, but not actually send it via the tty (otherwise you'd e.g. destroy your file!)01:19
javispedroWas kinda impressed they do that... (with a underline effect even)01:20
mankelioh, that's nice01:21
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itsnotabigtruckok, it's up01:31
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mankeliat least it installs and still works01:39
itsnotabigtrucki'm SSHed into my phone, which is running mosh connected to my server01:40
itsnotabigtruckhowever, mosh doesn't let you specify any ssh options, including the port01:41
itsnotabigtruckso that's pretty lame01:41
itsnotabigtruckbut it definitely works01:41
TronicFWIW, I have gotten solid low latency results with tcp w/ NODELAY on both ends and flush() always after sending data.01:45
TronicJust flushing didn't do the trick (even though various sources claim that it should).01:46
itsnotabigtrucknow i'm mosh'd in from meego terminal01:47
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itsnotabigtrucki had to loosen up the security of my ssh setup to be able to connect back to the old setup01:48
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javispedroTronic: actually it does feel weird, I'd leave NDELAY disable :S01:49
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Tronicjavispedro: Depends on what you plan doing with that connection.01:50
javispedroI ponder if linux implements SO_LOWDELAY..01:50
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kimjuitsnotabigtruck, what loosening of security it required?02:10
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itsnotabigtruckkimju: for one, it only connects to the default port02:39
itsnotabigtrucksecond i have a fancy authentication setup that wouldn't work on the N9 anyway02:40
itsnotabigtrucknon-default port isn't real security but it keeps the ssh bots out, of which there are many02:40
kimjuitsnotabigtruck, the alternative port for a specific host can be specified in ~/.ssh/config02:42
kimjuas a work-around02:42
itsnotabigtruckkimju: hm, true02:43
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Enforcerargh, surely when i 'ignore update' it shouldnt remind me about the update until there is a newer version, not every couple of days?04:09
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itsnotabigtruckjust posted a thread on tmo about the mosh port04:25
itsnotabigtruckEnforcer [anyone else] ^04:25
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petterii see new version of mosh. Nice work!08:53
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jonnionly issue in mosh that I can see is that crtl-^ . doesnt seem to work as quit sequence09:49
petterii have not managed to press that combination with finnish keyboard :P09:49
jonniwell even on virtual keyboard where you can press crtl-^ .   it doesnt work09:50
jonniso maybe n9 mosh should have some other quit sequence09:51
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Mirvsomeone who has hacked with the harmattan Facebook app knows what to do when the app is just empty and on the command line complains about missing database?10:35
Mirvafter erased eMMC contents, practically everything else (including Twitter) works just fine10:35
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jonnidepends how you erased emmc11:02
jonniusually reboot helps on most issues are databases are created at boot11:02
jonniheh, reinstalled phone with my new script, was pretty pleasing to see script reinstalling 75 ovi apps without me even touching the ui :). I've always find it quite irritating that I needed to reinstall apps one by one from the ovi store ui.11:08
PaulePanterjonni: Is that script public somewhere?11:12
jonninot yet atleast11:12
jonniI have to think about cleaning it a bit atleast before any release is possible11:13
Mirvjonni: some mixture of moslo failures, reflashing harmattan image (but no emmc image since I don't have it) then mkfs.vfat over USB (since it couldn't be mounted), then reboot :)11:17
Mirvoh yeah and a restore from backup after unpacking .backup11:17
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Mirveverything except facebook seems to work pretty nicely. ah and yes I also lost my angry birds scores which is tragic.11:18
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jonniMirv: yep I usually manually backup angrybirds scores before reflash. Most likely you rproblems are because of mkfs.vfat (you should really be doing that, because flasher does have --erase-mmc=secure flag for doing that) and if your done .backup in opemmode (while beeing in moslo), then most likely aegis databases are encrypted with different keys and restoring them makes facebook just not able to open the database.11:30
Mirvjonni: thanks for the explanation. the .backup was actually done before moslo. I did run --erase-mmc=secure once before as well11:32
Mirvwell, I'll hack around at some point and see if I can get FB back11:33
MirvFB chat works, though, which is nice11:33
jonniif you happen to have opensh with all the capas, you can ofcourse just delete facebook db and reboot so it will be regenerated. with apscli -D -s facebook-protected:Se11:33
Mirvthanks, I'll make a note for later use :)11:34
Mirvit's nice to notice that harmattan is possible to be broken in numerous ways and yet N9 doesn't become a brick11:34
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ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: about camera i asked. i'll show yo13:06
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ZogG_laptopjonni: is it possible to make same with harmattan and if it is is it only possible in open mode?13:52
jonniZogG_laptop: for wireless its easy you can just make bluetooth app to control the camera, for usb connection harder since you need usb otg.13:55
ZogG_laptopjonni: my camera doesn't have wireless13:58
ZogG_laptopjonni: and we can't achive otg(like hen on n900) with official pr1.2, right?14:00
jonniZogG_laptop: dont remember, compiling otg module was possible if I remember right. But nobody has released such a thing.14:02
jonnidslrrc is selling the bt hw for the canon, so basicly they are just using bt to connect to usb otg device that controls the camera14:03
ZogG_laptopjonni: the best thing s to have 2 options =)14:04
jonnibut on worst case you need openmode kernel, anyways nobody has tested otg for the last 5 months I think.14:05
jonniI did compile otg on latest kernel, but didnt have any time to test it (and most likely wont have time to test it for months).14:06
ZogG_laptopjonni: but as i understand it works only for open14:10
ZogG_laptopi don't think open is that ready so i can switch. i'll wait till last pr is out (i assume the next one) and than i assume community would go for openmode so it would be ready for users like14:10
ZogG_laptopi can test if it's not only openmode14:11
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jonniZogG_laptop: host side usb can be compiled as module, so it works in secure mode if you have exploited opensh.14:20
ZogG_laptopdidn't try it yet and wonder if it would work with pr1.314:21
jonniofcourse not good if you plan to make ovi store app14:21
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ZogG_laptopf$#%ck ovistore =)14:22
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jonniatleast current version of inception is blocked in pr1.3 (if that is ever released or even exists).14:22
jonnibut no system is safe, so someone will always find another hole.14:23
fluxjonni, I don't see why people who want to use inception would upgrade to pr1.3.. unless some compelling feature comes with it.14:24
jonniflux: tons of bugfixes, and inception can be blocked in pr1.2 with just package update.14:24
jonniso nothing guarantees that inception will work in pr1.2 in the future14:25
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ZogG_laptopflux: the thing i dont understand is if nokia not supporting harmattan why wouldn't they let us more freedom14:26
fluxwell, why would they?14:27
mankelibah, someone should create a one comprehensive infobase for n9 so that one doesn't have to skim thru forums always14:28
ZogG_laptopyou rememeber the bug when we lost all accounts info and there is that bug (i think still in pr1.2) that your internet connection is stuck?14:29
mankelior irclogs :-)14:29
ZogG_laptopso for lumia they said they gonna release update in a week and that they pay 100$ credit for AT&T contract owners. that's why14:29
ZogG_laptopmankeli: there are logs14:30
ZogG_laptopand you are welcome to do databse14:30
mankelijonni: so there is a usb host mode kernel module that a) is safe in "doesnt break any hardware" b) works without open mode ?14:30
jonnidepends on definition of supporting, by law nokia is supporting harmattan for xx years.14:30
ZogG_laptopmankeli: there are wiki on and meego.com14:30
ZogG_laptopjonni: yeah on paper is one thing, in reality it's differ14:31
jonnimankeli: on my hard drive, but I cannot release it, as I'm not allowed to.14:31 seems to be pretty n900-specific. or atleast i have gotten the impression that there are like two sections for n9 and all others are "please dont waste our precious time with your n9 shit"14:31
jonniZogG_laptop: its AT&T which is paying 100$ and not nokia, but devil is in the details :)14:33
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mankelijonni: oh damn. :(14:34
ZogG_laptopjonni: f$%ck the money, the update would come in a week, while we have bugs and we need to wait for new release14:36
jonnimankeli: but kernel sources are out there, so it doesnt take much to compile the module. There just inst that many usecases for it, only reason why I compiled it for me, was the fact that I wanted to connect my small usb drive to n9.14:36
ZogG_laptopand i mean not minor bugs and critical one (with accounts) - we waited for pr1.2 and there are countries who still didn't get it btw14:36
ZogG_laptopjonni: did it work?14:37
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mankelijonni: but if the kernel sources are in those sdk dvd's released to public by nokia, why you can't release the compiled module? is it because of some nda stuff or what?14:40
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ArkanoiD_Does anyone have luit built for harmattan?15:35
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itsnotabigtruckArkanoiD_: luit?15:38
itsnotabigtruckbtw @everyone if you haven't seen it already ->
itsnotabigtruckmankeli ZogG_laptop ^15:38
ArkanoiD_itsnotabigtruck, yep. it was in a package named like x11tools or x11utils on fremantle15:41
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ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: i even thanked you15:50
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: we were talking about otg here btw15:51
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pabut by the way, is  N9 supposed to die with 2.6.32 or some kernel update are also coming?16:07
pa(got my 64 yday,  but im too busy to unwrap it :( )16:08
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itsnotabigtruckpa: die with 2.6.3216:09
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itsnotabigtruckit's probably possible to port the mods to a newer kernel and use open mode16:10
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mankeliArkanoiD_: it should be in x11-utils package16:23
itsnotabigtruckflux: > jonni, I don't see why people who want to use inception would upgrade to pr1.3.. unless some compelling feature comes with it.16:24
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itsnotabigtruckbecause they'll upgrade inception too and all will be fine :)16:24
fluxitsnotabigtruck, well, at least who would do it before ensuring a compatible version exists :)16:25
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mankeliArkanoiD_: oops, it doesnt. sorry16:26
mankeliit should be included in x11-utils, and apt-cache search luit even shows that package but it's not there16:27
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itsnotabigtruckmankeli: what do you mean it's not there?16:30
ArkanoiD_itsnotabigtruck, just simple: pr1.3 could fix hopelessly broken address book and contacts merge operation16:30
itsnotabigtruckif apt-cache says x11-utils is there, it ought to be there16:30
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ArkanoiD_and other things like "damage tracker database and eat 100% cpu forever"16:31
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mankeliitsnotabigtruck: well dpkg -L x11-utils doesn't show any file by that name16:45
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mankeliapt-cache showpkg x11-utils just shows luit (0 (null)) in dependencies16:45
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x29ado i need to install a self-developed app via the ovi store in order for its icon to appear in the menu? i have a project_harmattan.desktop file in my projects main dir and i package it via the sdk, it executes ok, but no desktop shortcut is created.16:52
itsnotabigtruckx29a: no, you don't need to...something must be wrong with your package16:53
itsnotabigtruckdo dpkg -c on it and see if there's a desktop file in /usr/share/applications16:53
ZogG_laptopx29a: you the guy with vaio laptop right?16:53
x29anot that i know of16:54
x29aitsnotabigtruck: thanks for the hint, ill check on it16:54
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x29aitsnotabigtruck: nope, not there, so i guess i have to reference it with a INSTALLS += in my .pro?16:56
ZogG_laptopoh than it's other guy with simuliar nick from here16:56
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: did you nailed accounts?16:57
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itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: did i what?16:58
itsnotabigtruckx29a: i'm not sure, i think qtcreator has some magic related to desktop files16:58
itsnotabigtruckread up on that16:58
itsnotabigtrucki don't really like qtcreator16:58
itsnotabigtrucki'd rather assume direct control16:58
ZogG_laptopx29a: what ya trying to do with .pro?17:02
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: the account system of harmattan - did you figured out what is what?17:02
x29aZogG_laptop: moving the desktop file where its recognized by the system. but i agree with itsnotabigtruck, qtcreator probably offers its own way17:03
itsnotabigtruckyeah, i think qtcreator is supposed to generate the desktop file for oyu17:04
itsnotabigtruckor something along those lines17:04
itsnotabigtrucknot really sure17:04
payou know what would be nice? a little tool to package applications.. Like you tell the file, where you want to put and which capabilities you want for it. And it creates the deb. :)17:04
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: sort of...17:04
ArkanoiD_here it is :-)17:04
ZogG_laptopx29a: it works out of box17:05
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: i still stuck of understanding where to stick the part for my authorization17:05
x29aobviously it doesnt17:05
ZogG_laptopx29a: harmattan target?17:06
paArkanoiD_, whats luit?17:06
x29a(at least for me, i know im doing something wrong, but thats what im about to find out)17:06
ZogG_laptopx29a: check the amlapplicationviewer17:08
x29aim not using qml17:08
paby the way whats Musicrecognizer?17:08
pa something like shazam?17:08
ZogG_laptopthan i assume you need to add it manually17:08
jonniatleast I've just added desktop to INSTALLS += on the .pro file on my projects17:08
ZogG_laptoppa: where did you find it?17:08
pain the repo pasted by arkanoid17:08
ZogG_laptop  INSTALLS += icon desktopfile17:09
x29awill it use the icon i defined via the projects settings or do i have to define icon and desktopfile?17:09
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paas well as "led-event-notifier".. does it finally blink on missed calls with it?17:10
ZogG_laptoppa: oh you checking MohammadAG's repo?17:14
ZogG_laptopmusicrecognition is not finished and i assume not working17:14
paah i see17:14
ZogG_laptopled-notifier may work with inception or open-mode17:14
ZogG_laptopas aegis shit17:15
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: but last i checked it didn't work, incepted or not17:15
itsnotabigtruckit had a bug17:15
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: ^17:15
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Jareany ideas why I'm getting "No such method 'getState' in interface '' at object path '/request'" even though getState and setState methods should exist on that interface:
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itsnotabigtruckjare: be advised you'll need to assert aegis credentiald for that18:14
itsnotabigtruckand those credentials require inception18:14
itsnotabigtruckactually, you're just querying it, so maybe not18:14
mankeliconversations would be more fun to watch, if you would start using term "you have to go deeper" in place of "you need to use inception"18:16
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itsnotabigtruckmankeli: hehe18:18
Jareyes, I've already requested the needed credentials with the help of inception. Otherwise I would get an AccessDenied error18:20
itsnotabigtruckjare: are you using qdbus and that structure to do the operation18:22
itsnotabigtruckor is this in non-qt code18:22
itsnotabigtruck hmm, amazon is stocking the 64GB N9 again for $50018:23
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JareI'm experimenting with dbus-send. I found some nokia code, which requests a dataWipe using dbus-send. So I assume the other methods in the devicelock interface should work too18:26
JareI'm not going to test, if the dataWipe methods works though ;)18:27
alteregoI'd imagine it needs the lock code anyway18:28
alteregoAnd you probably need extended privs from aegis18:29
itsnotabigtruckalterego: he said he's already doing that, and if it were aegis it would fail with a different message18:35
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Jareah, now it works, found the correct syntax at last :)19:03
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itsnotabigtruckjare: yay19:10
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jktif I have a PageStackWindow and a few Page items in there, can I use anchors.fill: parent for items which are put into the Page elements?19:25
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jktI'm asking because doing so makes the top status bar hide a part of my widget19:26
jktand there's also something at the bottom19:26
jktthe QML files I use are at
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jktand is how that application looks on the phone19:31
jkt(ignore the top menu, that's from the VNC viewer)19:32
jktbut the issue is that the ListView showing a list of mailboxes is partially obstructed by the top status bar, and that there's some trash at the bottom19:32
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piggzdoes anyone know a more permanent fix for testing/deploying apps to the N9 that are >4mb, thus filling up /tmp?  what is the size of /tmp on the N950?19:38
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jktpiggz: also 4MB19:41
piggzjkt: sucks...or, QtSDK sucks for putting files in the wrong place!19:42
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jkthmm, weird -- updating the QmlApplicationViewer to the latest template from QtSDK resolved my visibility issue20:16
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mankelipiggz: i use sshfs20:25
piggzmankeli: how does that work?20:26
mankelione says sshfs hostname:/directory /mnt and then you just launch your program from there20:26
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djszapiHey! Any hardware guys here ?20:34
piggzdid pr1.3 beta come out recently?20:34
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itsnotabigtruckpiggz: is there a link?20:39
piggzitsnotabigtruck: i saw a tweet about it earlier...havnt managed to find anything else...20:39
itsnotabigtrucki kinda expected that if anything came out it'd be all over tmo20:40
piggzyeah, i thought so too, and looked :) ...20:40
piggzitsnotabigtruck: i think it started here ...!/rlinfati/status/19003796524486246520:44
itsnotabigtruckrm-680 ssu is still on pr1.120:46
ZogG_laptopfrals: piiiing =)20:52
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rzritsnotabigtruck, will pt1.3 support inception ?21:01
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rzrlol @
ZogG_laptopget used*21:08
itsnotabigtruckrzr: yeah21:13
itsnotabigtrucknot inception 0.1 though21:13
djszapitoo bad no hardware guys here :(21:16
fralsZogG_laptop: pong21:22
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juhajToo bad, kontact touch really does not install on 1.2 =(21:58
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piggzanyone know if qtcreator 2.5 beta can be used on top of qtsdk?23:04
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