| itsnotabigtruck | rzr: velmont was talking about gtalk/jingle i think | 00:02 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | also whoa, join spam | 00:03 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, Velmont: it, in theory, should work on any server | 00:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but when i tried it on my server, over 3g, it just got stuck | 00:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | with somebody else on the same server | 00:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm going to have to make some test calls with logging turned way up so i can see what's going on | 00:04 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | ^^ uh oh | 00:11 |
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| pa | HEY | 00:27 |
| pa | ops | 00:27 |
| pa | hey | 00:27 |
| pa | question | 00:27 |
| pa | so now skype video calls work on N9 with this peregrine? | 00:27 |
| rzr | never tested | 00:27 |
| pa | im getting the phone tomorrow | 00:27 |
| pa | i+ll try then | 00:28 |
| pa | it would be great | 00:28 |
| pa | i was already considering the switch to gtalk, but without a native client for PC, it's a no-go | 00:29 |
| pa | (i mean, a native client supporting video calls) | 00:29 |
| ieatlint | uh, peregrine doesn't support video calls to my knowledge | 00:30 |
| ieatlint | just rechecked... their last update was in nov | 00:30 |
| ieatlint | and peregrine as i understand uses the base system's chat system, so it has the same limitations.. only gtalk supports video calling methinks | 00:30 |
| javispedro | they _do_ advertise skype video calls though | 00:31 |
| javispedro | (not saying it actually does them | 00:33 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | i thought peregrine uses its own GUI | 00:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not the system chat interface | 00:35 |
| ieatlint | i see a random website claiming that, but nothing on peregrine's own website | 00:35 |
| ieatlint | but maybe i'm blind | 00:35 |
| javispedro | ieatlint: nah, you are right | 00:36 |
| ieatlint | yeah, i'd be very surprised if peregrine worked with skype to add video calling support to their app | 00:37 |
| pa | maybe they reversed the protocol | 00:38 |
| pa | skype sources were circulating some time ago | 00:38 |
| ieatlint | i wouldn't say that's impossible, but it'd be highly unlikely | 00:39 |
| pa | (i might have downloaded that :p) | 00:39 |
| pa | anyway | 00:39 |
| pa | the deb is there | 00:39 |
| pa | i'll check it as soon as i can | 00:39 |
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| PaulePanter | pa: Do not Empathy or Pidgin support Video calls with GTalk? | 02:18 |
| PaulePanter | Regarding Fenix: Are there any ways to debug it? Receiving and sending messages seems pretty slow with a certain provider. But the provider works fine with Thunderbird on a PC. | 02:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | PaulePanter: the do | 02:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but in the case of pidgin, on linux only | 02:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which is a real shame because most pidgin users are on windows | 02:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | developers don't care and aren't fixing it | 02:27 |
| ieatlint | eh, windows support is more of a feature than anything else... | 02:40 |
| ieatlint | getting the camera to work in windows would require a lot of windows-specific code, so it's a bit more involved than simply compiling gtk for windows | 02:41 |
| * javispedro curses | 02:42 | |
| javispedro | anyone knows where the /etc/locale.alias file has gone to in modern distros? | 02:42 |
| javispedro | like on harm itself for example | 02:42 |
| * javispedro ponders if I should look for systemd-locale-alias-plugin... | 02:43 | |
| Termana | javispedro, on Ubuntu 11.10 the file is still located at /etc/locale.alias | 02:44 |
| javispedro | meh, it's gone on this gentoo at least, and stracing binaries reveals they don't even look for it :( | 02:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: check what the debian way to do it is | 02:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | since harmattan would have inherited that | 02:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | doing things the arch/gentoo/whatever way on debian tends to screw everything up | 02:47 |
| javispedro | the debian way is locale.alias, but maemo deviates a lot from debian her | 02:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh ok :/ | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ouch locale | 02:48 |
| javispedro | e.g. posix-locales package | 02:48 |
| * DocScrutinizer glares at that notorious 21MB file | 02:48 | |
| javispedro | oh | 02:49 |
| javispedro | interesting. | 02:49 |
| javispedro | mwahaha | 02:49 |
| javispedro | posix-locales is in nokia-binaries =) | 02:49 |
| javispedro | I ponder if one could consider that a GPL violation... | 02:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oh yes, please! | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | I laways considered it a major offense I have to spend dozens of MB of valuable roootfs space for greek, spanish, french, whatnot locale | 02:51 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, do you install it for the german locale? | 02:52 |
| javispedro | nah, not GPL violating ("Distribution and use is free, also for commercial purposes") | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | and you couldn't even think "screwit" and revert to lang=C as then you get this tana-fi-* BS | 02:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the copyright file says it's lgpl | 02:53 |
| javispedro | itsnotabigtruck: that is wrong for half of the packages =) welcome to maemo! =) | 02:54 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: on the N9/50 at least locale-archive is way lighter because most of the stuff they have moved to whatever clone of gettext() Qt has | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh yeah | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it was tr() I'd actually be happy | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bet it's not | 02:55 |
| javispedro | (afaik it is) | 02:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | isn't it qtTrId? | 03:02 |
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| bef0rd | hi | 03:59 |
| Enforcer | awesome | 04:07 |
| Enforcer | i keep getting the same software update notification that i keep saying 'ignore update' | 04:08 |
| heymaster | Hello, sorry for such rude questions. Does it possible to get Nokia N9 for free ? | 04:14 |
| javispedro | send a few ones this way if you ever find a positive answer for that | 04:14 |
| ieatlint | the answer is entirely dependent on how fast you can run | 04:15 |
| heymaster | :) | 04:15 |
| heymaster | Ok, i will stick with my NOkia 500 :) | 04:15 |
| heymaster | Which doesn't not have GPU :/ | 04:15 |
| heymaster | s/NOkia/Nokia . still love this brand :) | 04:16 |
| heymaster | I own few iPods, but bought Nokia try Qt :) | 04:19 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | heymaster: is it possible? yes, well, it was at certain points | 04:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | at this point, probably not | 04:25 |
| heymaster | itsnotabigtruck: ok :) | 04:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | fortunately the N9 is a lot cheaper than it was before | 04:25 |
| ieatlint | not really even | 04:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it still feels disappointing knowing that most people here were benefactors of free hardware | 04:25 |
| ieatlint | N9s were given out at dev days, but that wasn't a free event, and not to everyone | 04:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there were also contests, and they gave some to ovi developers with popular apps, and there was the whole N950 thing | 04:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | maybe some other programs i don't know about too | 04:26 |
| heymaster | I tried to win 3 times: Nokia Facebook, From Local Operator Facebook and submitted comments for Qt Examples :) | 04:28 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | heymaster: your best bet is to drop the $400 or whatever it's going for these days | 04:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | when i bought mine it kinda cost too much but now 64 gb N9s are going for OK prices | 04:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and i'd say it's worth it, some here would disagree | 04:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | on the other hand you can probably get more for your money with android | 04:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | forget about symbian phones | 04:32 |
| javispedro | wow, easy debian is very nice on harm | 04:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | at least N9 has the power of linux behind it | 04:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | once symbian is dead it'll be dead | 04:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i wish qole would buck it up and do the necessary tweaks to make it inception-friendly | 04:33 |
| javispedro | well it would be hard | 04:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's not a technical problem, it's just that he hates aegis too much to look into it and make the minor changes | 04:33 |
| javispedro | itsnotabigtruck: what solution you propose? | 04:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: assert credentials on the launcher scripts, drop credentials on the inside of the chroot | 04:34 |
| javispedro | and developer mode? or something like that? | 04:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | use aegisctl or something like it to disable the source identifier check while in the chroot | 04:34 |
| javispedro | ah | 04:34 |
| javispedro | with dev mode the problem is the brief moment where you are running a "" source binary as root right after chroot, and that could be fixed with aegis trickery indeed | 04:36 |
| javispedro | if that could be fixed, you'd not need openmode or cracking aegis | 04:36 |
| javispedro | e.g. a chroot binary with sys_chroot that spawns the inside-chroot process as "user" with acceptable privilege set for "" source | 04:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, it's possible to make it work without aegisctl if you never need to run the chroot as root | 04:37 |
| javispedro | oh yeah, was thinking no one would do that :( | 04:38 |
| javispedro | (but it's false, e.g. apt-get install) | 04:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | fakeroot? | 04:38 |
| heymaster | https://plus.google.com/photos/101246225765760153605/albums/5676725034432752433?authkey=CL6CubPszIulkAE << Was Nokia Swipe Challenge. I wrote program which plays automatically. But haven't win anything. I think there was cheates which changed Flash memory | 04:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | heymaster: if you can afford the phone plan with data plan you'd need for the N9, you can likely afford the N9 | 04:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, lol | 04:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | with a lot of those you can just wireshark the communication from flash, modify the score, submit it with curl or the like | 04:40 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | that said, the price of the N9 can be kinda hard to swallow, especially now that nokia has 0 commitment to it | 04:41 |
| heymaster | itsnotabigtruck: i'm now not employed :) | 04:41 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | especially since in many places phones are often subsidized by the carriers and a locked phone would go for $0 to $150 | 04:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not $400 to $500 | 04:41 |
| heymaster | itsnotabigtruck: ok, I have contract with android phone, so won't buy another | 04:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | heymaster: :( it would be great to have another dev building cool stuff for the N9 | 04:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but i can't fault you for sticking with android | 04:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also javispedro: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1190263#post1190263 i'm guessing this is why you were working with XIM? | 04:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | cool stuff | 04:44 |
| heymaster | itsnotabigtruck: operators prices of Nokia N9 is very big. In my country it's cheaper to buy from just resellers | 04:44 |
| javispedro | itsnotabigtruck: hey, you are faster than the "post confirmation" page | 04:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 04:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | wtf, unlocked is cheaper than locked from carriers? :O | 04:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, i think the MSRP of the N9 is now 300E | 04:45 |
| javispedro | itsnotabigtruck: I was working on something else, but then I had the idea, and I had to try :) | 04:45 |
| heymaster | yes | 04:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the $400 price i was quoting was based on some importers to the US | 04:45 |
| javispedro | itsnotabigtruck: i think something nice can be done though | 04:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | would a normal linux desktop be remotely usable in portrait? | 04:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | since a landscape kbd would take up way too much room | 04:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and the current setup doesn't look so ideal :p | 04:46 |
| javispedro | well... | 04:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or maybe a custom low profile layout could be done for the keyboard | 04:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | might be tricky squashing a full qwerty in there though...unless... | 04:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | non-conventional input schemes might be able to be squashed in small enough space | 04:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | e.g. each button brings up a submenu of 3 letters | 04:47 |
| javispedro | the fact that the n950 sticky keys now work is also a side added benefit =) | 04:48 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | 3 letters per button + 1 button for punctuation + space + shift = 12 buttons | 04:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 12 buttons could fit in one row | 04:49 |
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| heymaster | itsnotabigtruck: from reseller it's 390 euros, from operator 460 euros | 04:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | heymaster: what? 390 euros, that's more than msrp | 04:49 |
| javispedro | itsnotabigtruck: I'd even use the std landscape keyboard with a proper smart resizing algorithm | 04:50 |
| javispedro | or actually the lack of one, maybe just keep it a 480 px tall but make it scrollable, or inteligently following focus (I think doable) | 04:50 |
| javispedro | well, gotta go | 04:53 |
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| heymaster | itsnotabigtruck: Just web page, maybe phone was used few days I don't know. Then N9 was announced N9 from operator price was about 640 euros | 04:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 640 euros? :O :O :O | 04:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 640 dollars maybe, 640 euros, hell nah | 04:54 |
| heymaster | yes euros | 04:55 |
| heymaster | itsnotabigtruck: you live in U.S. ? | 04:55 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | heymaster: yeah | 04:56 |
| heymaster | itsnotabigtruck: So you can buy 1 gallon of fuel and we can buy 1 liter of fuel in same price :) | 04:58 |
| heymaster | Apple computers prices so big in Europe. | 05:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 05:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | isn't the major reason for that fuel taxes | 05:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the us has fuel taxes too but i guess they're an order of magnitude lower | 05:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but at least in most european countries people get something out of their taxes | 05:01 |
| heymaster | itsnotabigtruck: most countries have about 21% taxes | 05:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also remember to compare electronics prices w/o VAT | 05:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | prices in the us are never shown with sales tax included | 05:02 |
| heymaster | itsnotabigtruck: i can simply say: if you buy computer in u.s. for 500$, so in Europe it will be 500 euros :) | 05:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | heymaster: but 500 eur - 20% = 400 eur = $525 | 05:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's in the VAT | 05:04 |
| heymaster | itsnotabigtruck: so iPad costs 499$. This price with vat or not ? | 05:04 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | that's without vat/sales tax | 05:04 |
| heymaster | ok | 05:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though in the US there's a loophole in that when you order something across state lines you don't have to pay sales tax | 05:05 |
| heymaster | so everything ok :) | 05:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also sales tax is 5 to 10% and applied at final retail sale | 05:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | whereas VAT is 10 to 20% and applied at every stage of the supply chain, afaik | 05:05 |
| heymaster | :) | 05:06 |
| heymaster | ok you right | 05:06 |
| heymaster | just prices to big for me, but it's my problem :) | 05:06 |
| heymaster | too* | 05:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | taxes are definitely no fun though | 05:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | income tax day is about to roll around in the US | 05:07 |
| heymaster | :/ | 05:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | most people get a refund but that's a tiny portion of what they already forked over to the IRS | 05:08 |
| AndrewX192 | itsnotabigtruck: is their a site with directions for packaging for harmattan without using QT creator? | 05:22 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | AndrewX192: maybe? | 05:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's more or less the same as for debian | 05:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | look for info about debian packaging | 05:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because the procedure is identical | 05:49 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | specifically packaging using a source package and dpkg-buildpackage | 05:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not hacky packaging with dpkg -b | 05:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Alternative_development_environments_Platform_SDK_user_guide_Packaging_your_application_with_Harmattan_Platform_SDK.html | 05:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | check that out | 05:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Reference_documentation_Harmattan_Appendix_to_the_Debian_Policy_Manual.html this too | 05:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the plus side is that once you do this you can upload the DSC and TAR.GZ produced by dpkg-buildpackage to apps for meego | 05:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | with minimum fuss | 05:51 |
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| AndrewX192 | itsnotabigtruck: what about with Aegis? | 05:58 |
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| beford | hi | 05:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | AndrewX192: you put an xml file named debian/packagename.aegis in the source tree | 06:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it'll automatically get put into the package during the build process | 06:00 |
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| AndrewX192 | itsnotabigtruck: is there, like, a template package or something? | 06:00 |
| AndrewX192 | I just need to package my VPN script :| | 06:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | note that the auto-magic aegis embedding won't work on obs, you need a special trick for that | 06:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, you could start with one of mine | 06:00 |
| AndrewX192 | Okay | 06:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=ad-hac&project=MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan:Apps | 06:01 |
| beford | any alternaTive video player recommended? i cant queue videos on the default | 06:01 |
| AndrewX192 | Open Video Player? | 06:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | AndrewX192: oh, also, in case that wasn't clear, the build needs to be done inside scratchbox | 06:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's possible to build a package the hacky way on any debian system, but it's more complicated than usual due to aegis | 06:05 |
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| beford | AndrewX192, ovi store? | 06:09 |
| AndrewX192 | itsnotabigtruck: oh snap :| | 06:09 |
| AndrewX192 | beford: No, see TMO. | 06:09 |
| beford | okay. will check it later then. thanks | 06:10 |
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| theydrew1stblood | hi, can someone tell me which chan Windows Mobile developers use? I couldn't find it by googling | 10:01 |
| theydrew1stblood | don't say the 4th chan, I went there and it doesn't have phones, just cartoon porn | 10:01 |
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| Jaffa | theydrew1stblood: No idea, and don't really care ;-) | 10:13 |
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| PaulePanter | Is it possible to debug the Fenix mail client on the N9? | 10:27 |
| PaulePanter | Receiving and sending messages is kind of slow with one provider. There are no problems with Thunderbird though on a PC. | 10:27 |
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| Khertan_W | Morning | 11:29 |
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| gabriel9|work | morning | 11:37 |
| gabriel9|work | is there a way to see number of downloads of Opera in Ovi store? | 11:37 |
| gabriel9|work | or any other app | 11:37 |
| Khertan_W | if you are the publisher, yes you can ? | 11:38 |
| gabriel9|work | but if i am not? | 11:38 |
| gabriel9|work | it should be some stats, they should not be accurate | 11:39 |
| Khertan_W | i don't think | 11:39 |
| Khertan_W | it s funny to see that khtpasswdgen is more downloaded from china, turkey, iraq | 11:41 |
| Khertan_W | while khtsimpletext is more downloaded from european country | 11:41 |
| Khertan_W | :)à | 11:41 |
| gabriel9|work | people like to install apps :D | 11:41 |
| gabriel9|work | they just sit and gime gime gime :D | 11:41 |
| Khertan_W | yeah but it s funny to see that china, turkey and iraq are more insterested in security apps :) | 11:42 |
| gabriel9|work | i did not know that | 11:43 |
| Richlv | gabriel9|work, is opera in ovi store ? | 11:45 |
| Richlv | i installed it from some deb... | 11:46 |
| gabriel9|work | yep | 11:46 |
| gabriel9|work | it is in ovi | 11:46 |
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| radiofree | opera would be great if it wasn't for that terrible vkb they use | 14:59 |
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| Velmont | radiofree: Agreed, -- I think we hit a bug on that, and the guy working on harmattan Opera was doing it between projects. Would be nice to fix it. | 15:17 |
| Velmont | Richlv: The ovi store one is newer. | 15:18 |
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| mankeli | hey | 15:47 |
| mankeli | is it possible to fix a MALF without flashing the whole phone? | 15:47 |
| dm8tbr | depends | 15:49 |
| dm8tbr | I think there is a kernel+initramfs you could boot to fix offending files and reset the malf file | 15:49 |
| mankeli | i created a package in scratchbox with dh_make and dpkg-buildpackage, and when I installed it on the phone it complained that it tried to update some aegis files (restok and refhashlist iirc) but couldn't due to insufficient permissions | 15:50 |
| dm8tbr | http://wiki.meego.com/N950/Fixing_MALF_state | 15:50 |
| mankeli | then when i tried to remove the package, it spat out /usr/sbin/enter_malf: Entering MALF state SECURITY Failed '/var/lib/aegis/restok/restok.conf' signature check | 15:50 |
| dm8tbr | dunno if this would help in this case | 15:51 |
| dm8tbr | someone else who knows the 'mechanics' better would need to comment | 15:51 |
| mankeli | only reference to aegis in that package was "Aegis-Manifest: empty" in the package control file, so wtf | 15:51 |
| mankeli | dm8tbr: what happens after I follow those instructions? do I have to flash the kernel again (back to the stock pr1.2 one) or what? | 15:53 |
| dm8tbr | no it only loads the kernel over USB | 15:53 |
| mankeli | aah i see | 15:53 |
| dm8tbr | I don't know about that restok.conf file | 15:53 |
| dm8tbr | you'd need to get one that's kosher' | 15:54 |
| mankeli | maybe it was just because that package installed some it's binaries to /bin/ and not /usr/bin/ | 15:54 |
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| mankeli | ..some of it's.. | 15:54 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | mankeli dm8tbr: watch out | 15:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | booting that kernel will put you into open mode until the next reflash starting with P1.2 | 15:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | as for the actual error...wtf | 16:00 |
| mankeli | so i cannot just follow those instructions, remove those offending files from /bin/ (if that's the cause) and reboot? | 16:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nope, also, the problem is that the signature on restok.conf is broken apparently | 16:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you'd have to try and roll back restok.conf to something that matches the sig | 16:02 |
| mankeli | i wonder how the hell did that happen | 16:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's what i'm wondering | 16:03 |
| mankeli | the package i tried to install, is this electrontu.be/screen_4.0.3-1_armel.deb | 16:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm not sure if the package itself is the cause | 16:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | sounds like something just went horribly wrong in the install | 16:04 |
| mankeli | I did install that with normal "dpkg -i screenetc.deb" line but within incepted opensh, because there hasn't been any problems before installing packages in opensh | 16:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in the future if you suspect something could be up with refhashlist or restok.conf, don't reboot or install/uninstall anything | 16:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then it'll be too late | 16:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | do accli -c tcb-verify -F /path/to/file | 16:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if it's valid it'll print out the contents, otherwise it'll error out | 16:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in order to resign you can do accli -c tcb-sign -F /path/to/file < /path/to/file | 16:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that last part has to be done from opensh | 16:07 |
| mankeli | okay. i didn't expect that anything was wrong because dpkg tried to update those files, but said that it didn't have sufficient permissions to do so | 16:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which is odd because it should, always | 16:09 |
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| mankeli | but should I still do that boot with n950 kernel and try to investigate? can I return from open mode easily? | 16:10 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | not without wiping everything like i said | 16:19 |
| kimju | has someone already packaged mosh for harmattan: http://mosh.mit.edu/ ? | 16:20 |
| mankeli | oh damn. i thought only kernel reflash would be enough | 16:20 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | kimju: hm, don't think so | 16:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://packages.debian.org/sid/mosh | 16:45 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | grab the 3 source files and do dpkg-source -x foo.dsc in scratchbox | 16:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b | 16:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | wait a little while and you should have a package | 16:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you might have to do some dependencies too | 16:46 |
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| mankeli | i had to also package that libprotobuf | 16:48 |
| mankeli | and the mosh launcherscript requires perl package io::pty | 16:48 |
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| mankeli | i compiled libprotobuf and mosh in sb to .debs, but they will still need that io::pty. it's possible to install that via cpan on sb but i dunno how it is on the phone | 16:49 |
| mankeli | i didn't have chance to actually test the software on the phone because of this nice little malf incident :-D | 16:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: lol, that's a weird coincidence | 16:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, throw everything into OBS and submit to rzr's apt repo maybe? | 16:51 |
| mankeli | yeah, i the reason why i started tinkering with screen instead of that, is that my home router doesn't seem to allow udp through so I thought that I will test those mosh .debs when i get home :-D | 16:53 |
| mankeli | it's a nice coincidence indeed, but I don't know those mosh packages are safe (as in non-phone-bricking sense) since i also made those with same dh_make procedure | 16:55 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: dh_make? | 16:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | isn't dh_make for creating new packages | 16:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not building existing ones | 16:57 |
| mankeli | yeah well, I was creating packages from source tarballs | 16:59 |
| mankeli | i didn't know that mosh already exists in debian repo. the PPA that's listed on mosh homepage doesn't have source packages | 17:01 |
| mankeli | i wonder what's wrong in that restok.conf file, there's "package: screen" in the end and that's it | 17:03 |
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| mankeli | otherwise it seems to be ok | 17:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, might be a good idea to build the official debian one since somebody presumably already put in the work to get the kinks out | 17:04 |
| mankeli | that perl package is probably the only problem. everything else compiled nicely | 17:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah but e.g. the debian stuff might have install hooks and stuff | 17:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, i gotta run | 17:10 |
| mankeli | ok | 17:10 |
| mankeli | me too | 17:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, get in #inception! | 17:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's not enough people in there atm :( | 17:11 |
| ciacon | I'm wondering if emacs(23?) is available... I sorta miss my org-mode on the go ;) | 17:11 |
| mankeli | sure :-) | 17:11 |
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| Jare | so, I went to local nokia care in the morning and they gave me a new device in the evening. Obviously I still don't know what was wrong with the old one.. :P | 17:49 |
| Jaffa | Hmm, started using MfE to sync my N9's contacts to Google (I want the N9 to be master) and every sync I seem to be getting duplicates at one end or other which I have to merge. | 17:52 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: ovi contacts sync still on? | 17:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | When have we not had contact duplication problems with Maemo? | 17:59 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: No | 18:01 |
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| Jare | DocScrutinizer, jonni: check a couple of comments upwards ^ | 18:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Jare: toldya they don't ever tell customers what's been the exact fault | 18:20 |
| jonni | but good that you got new device back | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly the kind of story I've heard several times for N900 now (modulo the "gave me new device" which will be "gave me N8" for N900) - I'd bet Nokia must have internal evaluations what's the usual common root problem there | 18:22 |
| Jare | yup, the customer service guy wasn't even the one, who serviced the device | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonni: I guess those strictly hw errors don't usually show up in NB-bugtracker | 18:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jonni: as already mentioned, no such switch on N900, so the problem gotta be sth else | 18:24 |
| jonni | or can just be 2 different problems not releated to each other | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I'm sure Nokia EE dept knows about the topic | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | mind you, I was EE at OM's hw dept, so I think I know what my colleagues would do when a certain error pattern shows up above statistical significance | 18:27 |
| jonni | Im only sw side, so I dont know anything about hw :) | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | xray'ing chips is just one of the more usual less drastic measures taken, to find the root cause | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonni: well aware of that - I hoped you'd know the internal phone number of your EE colleagues ;-D | 18:29 |
| jonni | heh dont care that much, if there is a problem I just hope that warranty will fix | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonni: alas for N900 Nokia decided they don't care anymore and thus dumped spare devices - we're on our own to fix them, unless we wanna swap for an N8, during warranty | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's the whole reason I kindly ask Nokia to provide a minimum of info regarding root cause of that rather common error | 18:34 |
| jonni | heh I have few extra N900s gathering dust in my drawers | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | gimmegimmegimme | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-D | 18:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | on a serious word: it's a reasonable fair request that Nokia shares as much of service documentation and existing written advice and background info as they can, if they decide to cease service for a device that's just a bit older than 2 years for the oldest of them | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | hell, I still can buy new N900 (with much luck, alas) with 2 years of warranty, and Nokia doesn't have any spareparts to service them | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | and one year ago you could buy new N900 on each corner, with 2 years warranty | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's insane | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm thoroughly pissed by that policy, and I very politely ask to hand out info when they decide they can't offer service anymore | 18:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | Insane. | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | so we could try to do service ourselves, rather than sue Nokia | 18:44 |
| mankeli | can i backup my messages and contacts manually somehow? or are they stored in some weird aegis stronghold | 18:45 |
| mankeli | by manually i mean that n950 kernel image which exposes the whole emmc as usb storage | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | other companies actually got sued and sentenced for similar cease of service before reasonable timespan expired | 18:46 |
| jonni | most likely best contact for repair details or instructions is nokia care, as sw people have no contact for hw care people usually. | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd rather like to help, rather than flicking a dead horse | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | janok, thanks | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonni: ok, thanks! | 18:48 |
| jonni | mankeli: atleast there is commandline backup for sms messages in the forum | 18:48 |
| jonni | mankeli: and there is a commandline backup script, but I dont know if its public | 18:48 |
| mankeli | jonni: i wonder if you could tell me which files to copy if sharing the script is a problem? | 18:52 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | weird, my ssh keeps dropping every couple mins | 19:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: they're stored in tracker | 19:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no aegis involvement | 19:14 |
| mankeli | tracker? | 19:16 |
| mgedmin | http://projects.gnome.org/tracker/ | 19:23 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Hi there Doc. You somewhere close? I would need a quick translation for a academic word. | 19:24 |
| DrGrov | Would someone give an variation of the word "Action" ? I am trying to figure out a better and more appopriate word for the context where I need the word. | 19:27 |
| alterego | DrGrov: that's hard if you don't give the context .. | 19:28 |
| mankeli | mgedmin: aha. | 19:28 |
| DrGrov | alterego: Sorry about that. The context is about suggestions and improvements about a final thesis I am workig on. Has to do with tourism and hotel business. | 19:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | Can you use it in a sentance? | 19:29 |
| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: Du är väl finlandssvensk eller hur? | 19:29 |
| SpeedEvil | 'to action' or 'an action' | 19:30 |
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| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: If you are not a bilingual Finn it is no problem. I thought just to ask :) | 19:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah - OK - thought it was an english question. | 19:31 |
| DrGrov | I try to say: "Improvements and actions..." or would it be better with "Improvements and consequences..." | 19:31 |
| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: It is an English question but it has to be translated from Swedish into English for my final thesis. | 19:31 |
| SpeedEvil | They mean different things. | 19:31 |
| DrGrov | Yes, they do mean different things but how much difference would I need to put for the word "åtgärder" in Swedish when I translate it into English? | 19:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Improvements and actions is more neutral - improvements and consequences implies that there may be negative effects too. | 19:32 |
| SpeedEvil | No clue on that. | 19:32 |
| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: Improvements and consequences in this case would then sound more appropriate due to the end result of the qualitative and quantitative research is not guaranteed to turn out positive. | 19:33 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: improvements and measures to take/taken | 19:34 |
| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: A big thanks for your kind help :) Ett stort tack! | 19:34 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Hi Doc. You feeling any better yet? I think your suggestion is fitting in really well in this case. SpeedEvil had also a good suggestions, it is hard to choose which one. :) | 19:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Translation is always fun! | 19:35 |
| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: Was I correct that you are a "finlandssvensk"? | 19:35 |
| alterego | I think "Improvements and considerations" | 19:35 |
| alterego | But that's just me .. | 19:35 |
| SpeedEvil | No, I'm simply UK. | 19:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Scottish/english. | 19:36 |
| DrGrov | alterego: Ok, that sounds good as well. A third variation is always good to throw in the mix :) | 19:36 |
| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: Ok, I have been mistaken then. I do apologize, I do not know from where I got the idea that you are a bilingual Finn :) | 19:36 |
| SpeedEvil | At some point you have to wonder how much thought the person put into picking the original words. | 19:36 |
| alterego | Probably less than this ;) | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | regarding "consequences" I suppose you fell for a false friend maybe: isn't conclusions the english word you meant? | 19:37 |
| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: It feels that the topic has to cover most parts of the actual qualitative and quantitative research I am conduting. | 19:37 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: It might be actually conclusions I am looking for. That would feel most appropriate when I translate it and think it in Swedish as well. | 19:38 |
| alterego | Oh, and there was me thinking it has something to do with "Inprovements and actions" :P | 19:41 |
| alterego | ~Improvements. | 19:41 |
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| DrGrov | Thanks DocScrutinizer, alterego and SpeedEvil for your kind help :) I am getting it now, sounds like suggestions and conclusions is the way to go. | 19:41 |
| alterego | I think just "Conclusions" .. | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | or at very least "conclusions and suggestions" according to logic | 19:42 |
| alterego | Then I'd say, "Conclusions and considerations" :) | 19:43 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Yes, of course. The logical way. | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | or that :-D | 19:43 |
| alterego | Wow, the heavens just openned up and it's hammering my sky light window .. | 19:43 |
| DrGrov | It is "Conclusions and considerations", that is the final topic. | 19:44 |
| alterego | Can't tell if it's hail or not .. | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: (feeling better) not really, another day off at work | 19:45 |
| alterego | Definitely hail ... | 19:45 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: i'm trying to compile the MOSH deps right now | 20:22 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | crap | 20:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | protobuffers wants java to build | 20:26 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | ok, hopefully i just hacked java out of the debian package | 20:32 |
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| mankeli | itsnotabigtruck: that's why i also tried build screen from scratch, since the debian package wants libpam0 and texinfo | 20:34 |
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| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: oh you do try to port mosh? nice, what about making client as well? | 20:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | btw is there boost-dev for harmattan? | 20:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it seems not... | 20:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm working on protobuffers right now | 20:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | so if you build one for harmattan put it in public | 20:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | there should be devlibs.formeego.org repo =) | 20:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: ^ | 20:43 |
| mankeli | there is libboost41 or something similar | 20:44 |
| mankeli | at least it can be found from the repo thats configured in the harmattan sdk scratchbox | 20:45 |
| mankeli | and mosh builds happily with it | 20:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | mankeli: if you build it, when maybe you save itsnotabigtruck's time? | 20:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm trying to build it from debian source packages | 20:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for boost, it sounds like i can tweak the build dep then | 20:49 |
| mankeli | ZogG_laptop: i already did, but for some reason one of the packages i built malfed my phone. i haven't got chance to investigate it yet, but i'd rather not share the packages :) | 20:50 |
| mankeli | see conversation around 16:4x | 20:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bwahaha | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | nice | 20:57 |
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| rlinfati | the battery of my n950 is 0volt :( , i need buy a new battery ?? | 21:05 |
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| bef0rd | ya gano colombia | 22:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=protobuf&project=home%3Aitsnotabigtruck&repository=Harmattan | 22:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | let's see if this works | 22:50 |
| bef0rd | lol wrong channel | 22:51 |
| bef0rd | hi itsnotabigtruck | 22:52 |
| mankeli | erm what | 22:53 |
| mankeli | my phone booted | 22:53 |
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| bef0rd | impossibru | 22:54 |
| mankeli | i booted it with n950 rescue kernel, backupped all partitions and after reboot it of course just went back into the malf-screen | 22:54 |
| mankeli | and it was there connected to usb for one or two hours (while i was downloading pr1.2 image for reflash) and then it suddenly asked for pin and booted to meegotouchhome | 22:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | :O | 22:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's strange | 22:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: get in the terminal and do accli -I | 22:58 |
| mankeli | how can i tell if i'm in open mode or not? | 22:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | see if it's in closed or open mode | 22:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you're in closed mode, resign your restok.conf | 22:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | using opensh | 22:58 |
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| mankeli | all i did while in rescue mode, was that i removed that last "package: screen" from restok.conf | 22:59 |
| mankeli | current mode: open | 22:59 |
| mankeli | bah | 23:00 |
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| mankeli | this is behavior i was expecting after having booted the device with rescue kernel | 23:01 |
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| mankeli | is it common that the malf continues even in the open mode? | 23:01 |
| jonni | yes if you screw up restok.conf or reflashlist without resigning, malf will persist untill reflash of firmware. | 23:04 |
| rlinfati | the battery of my n950 is 0volt :( , i need buy a new battery ?? | 23:04 |
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| jonni | rlinfati: or just recharge, or if device doesnt start recharging you can always try external charger | 23:05 |
| rlinfati | the n950 do not charge the battery :( | 23:05 |
| rlinfati | now... i buy a charger or a new battery... ? | 23:05 |
| jonni | remove backcover and charge externally. | 23:05 |
| jonni | or how does it not charge, it does not show glowing white led? | 23:06 |
| mankeli | jonni: i see, maybe the manual editing of restok.conf did the trick then. but why it did wait so long in malf screen? | 23:06 |
| rlinfati | the white led is only on for 1 second and after off | 23:06 |
| jonni | mankeli: it malfs on next reboot | 23:06 |
| rlinfati | with a multitester i verify the battery and show 0 volt | 23:07 |
| jonni | rlinfati: and your put your device in a state where it tries to charge and not be in reboot loop? with ./flasher -i or similar command? | 23:07 |
| rlinfati | fhasher do not detect the n950 | 23:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/itsnotabigtruck/Harmattan/all/ for some reason the package i just built on obs isn't showing up | 23:08 |
| mankeli | jonni: i mean editing restok.conf while in rescue kernel | 23:08 |
| jonni | usually I just give 0volt batteries a initial charge for 10minutes from external charge | 23:08 |
| jonni | charger and after that n950 manages to charge just fine. | 23:08 |
| mankeli | itsnotabigtruck: how did you solve the perl problem? | 23:08 |
| jonni | mankeli: are you in pr1.1 or pr1.2 | 23:09 |
| rlinfati | ok, tomorrow buy a external charger | 23:09 |
| jonni | of your in pr1.2 then rescure kernel itself triggers openmode | 23:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: the perl problem? for which package | 23:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm expecting a build dependency of mosh to show up there | 23:09 |
| petteri | how do I check battery status from command on N9 | 23:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | protobuf is finishing up right now | 23:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for some reason skalibs wants to read a bunch of data from /dev/random during its build :/ | 23:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i wonder if it's doing something like int random() { return 4; /* chosen by fair dice roll. */ } :p | 23:11 |
| jonni | rlinfati: or use some other nokia phone with the same kind of battery? | 23:12 |
| mankeli | jonni: pr1.2 | 23:12 |
| mankeli | itsnotabigtruck: mosh has two binaries and a startup perl script which requires io::pty | 23:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: might it be possible to toss the relevant perl script into a build? | 23:14 |
| jonni | rlinfati: these are pretty usefull and cheap http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Desktop-Charger-Nokia-Battery-BL-5J-5230-N900-X6-/220603505792 | 23:14 |
| jonni | thats handy since it fits almost all sizes of batterys, I've used that one quite often | 23:15 |
| jonni | as it has moving spring it charges different sizes | 23:15 |
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| rlinfati | i can boot the n950 ( with other battery ) and swap the battery on cold ? | 23:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: i just tossed the perl module into obs too | 23:16 |
| mankeli | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libio-pty-perl | 23:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | crap | 23:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | dh-autoreconf requires a libtool that's too new | 23:20 |
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| HAMIDx9 | friends , what is the location of rootfs at /dev for creating a backup with dd ? | 23:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | does N9 have /var/log/utmp / btmp / wtmp? | 23:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | HAMIDx9: try doing mount | 23:35 |
| HAMIDx9 | none of them ! | 23:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: how important is skalibs to building mosh | 23:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | HAMIDx9: ok cool, so i can get rid of that dependency with impunity | 23:37 |
| HAMIDx9 | itsnotabigtruck: mount what ? | 23:38 |
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| HAMIDx9 | when i try to repack rootfs.jffs2 | 23:39 |
| HAMIDx9 | its size 22 MB larger that orig ! | 23:39 |
| HAMIDx9 | and i cant flash it ! | 23:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | HAMIDx9: just run mount | 23:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, i gave you a brief overview of the process in pm already | 23:40 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | you probably aren't doing it correctly, but you should rethink whether you really want to cook an image | 23:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's ok if the size is a little different after sparsifying | 23:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's not ok if the size is different before sparsifying | 23:41 |
| HAMIDx9 | 22 MB ! | 23:41 |
| HAMIDx9 | not cooking a complete image | 23:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: ping | 23:41 |
| HAMIDx9 | i think i can create a rootfs.img from my n9 | 23:41 |
| HAMIDx9 | and flash it | 23:42 |
| HAMIDx9 | thanks about mount -> /dev/root | 23:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | HAMIDx9: what, exactly, are you doing to repack the image | 23:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and how did you build the original image | 23:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the image needs to be an ext4 filesystem of the exact same length as the partition on the N9 | 23:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | to the byte | 23:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the SPARSIFIED image however can be all sorts of sizes depending on how it was created and what's in it | 23:43 |
| mankeli | itsnotabigtruck: not very? at least i didn't have any package with that name | 23:43 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: it's a dependency of the debian package | 23:43 |
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| HAMIDx9 | itsnotabigtruck: first unpack the orig bin DF... | 23:44 |
| HAMIDx9 | and then unlzo rootfs.jffs2 | 23:44 |
| HAMIDx9 | then mount rootfs and | 23:44 |
| mankeli | itsnotabigtruck: i don't have skalibs installed in scratchbox, and mosh happily compiled without | 23:44 |
| HAMIDx9 | create a text file at /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01proxy | 23:44 |
| jonni | anyways you cannot edit and reflash, without malf as checksums wouldnt match :) | 23:44 |
| HAMIDx9 | and sparsifying | 23:45 |
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| mankeli | itsnotabigtruck: my package Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libncurses5 (>= 5.7-1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.4.0), protobuf1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4) | 23:45 |
| HAMIDx9 | so there is no way to flash just a rootfs ? same as n900 ? | 23:45 |
| mankeli | protobuf1 is the self-packaged protobuf, others are from repo | 23:45 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=mosh&project=home%3Aitsnotabigtruck | 23:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | watch that space | 23:48 |
| HAMIDx9 | also it seems n950 rescue-img doesnt work on n9 16 GB ! | 23:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jonni: well, you can make trivial edits | 23:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or you can flash an image with files.tcb signatures made on your particular phone | 23:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it has its uses | 23:49 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | HAMIDx9: ok, so now you need to embed the rootfs image into a fiasco with the correct layout file | 23:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but i gotta run | 23:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | be careful, you could do some really strange things to your phone if you make a mistake | 23:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | bbl | 23:50 |
| jonni | well it depends on trivial edits, if inode changes on on protected file during reflash it can cause malf. | 23:50 |
| HAMIDx9 | itsnotabigtruck: also mount shows to me /dev/root but it does not exist | 23:51 |
| jonni | and your on openmode anyways, so its just easier to make tar file and extract that to root | 23:51 |
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| mankeli | itsnotabigtruck: nice kernel panic | 23:53 |
| HAMIDx9 | if i try to create a tar of / in n9 it packs all such as /home /home/user/MyDoc and ... , right ? | 23:55 |
| HAMIDx9 | anyway to just tar rootfs ? | 23:55 |
| jonni | you need to add excludepaths | 23:56 |
| HAMIDx9 | so there is no /dev/XXX for creating a img with dd in n9 , right ? | 23:57 |
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