IRC log of #harmattan for Monday, 2012-04-09

itsnotabigtruck1.2 is a significant improvement over 1.1 so i'd suggest you grab 1.2 variant 001 and flash that00:00
itsnotabigtruckJare: what if you try flashing the cmt only00:00
Jarewhat does it contain?00:00
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jonniJare: there has been few cases where tape helps.... there was a bunch of devices/simcards that needs tape on simcard backside.00:02
jonnibut ofcourse sometimes simcards break, but your operator should be able to replace that for free.00:02
itsnotabigtruckjare: cmt = cellular modem something00:03
itsnotabigtruckit's part of teh firmware image00:03
itsnotabigtruckjust use -f --flash-only=cmt00:03
itsnotabigtruckalso, working on this XMPP account plugin i ran into another pr1.1+ api :/00:04
itsnotabigtrucki'm getting really tired of this sdk business00:04
itsnotabigtruckjonni: if it hasn't been done already any chance you could put in a word that the pr1.3 sdk needs to be released after that version comes out00:05
itsnotabigtruckum, if it exists at all yada yada00:05
jonniitsnotabigtruck: noted. :)00:05
itsnotabigtrucki'm afraid they'll do the same thing with pr1.3 they did with pr1.2 and pr1.1, and then once harmattan's completely wound down then the proper sdk will be forever lost00:06
jonnidont worry there is improvement coming to current situation, if there is ever pr1.3 coming :)00:08
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Jareas I suspected, a few layers of tape didn't change anything. I'll try to test a different phone/sim card and flash after that. Hopefully there's nothing wrong with the n9 itself...00:21
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itsnotabigtruckjare: try the cmt only flash00:27
itsnotabigtruckthat won't erase your data00:27
itsnotabigtruckit also probably won't help, it's a shot in the dark, but it might00:27
itsnotabigtrucki know that the sort of problem you have can happen if the CMT doesn't like the firmware it's flashed with00:28
teleshoeshey, any inception 0.2 / 1.0 / 2.0 news?00:28
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Jareitsnotabigtruck: yes, I'll do that after testing the sim card. I would have high hopes on the reflash, if the phone was a Lumia... ;)00:36
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teleshoesitsnotabigtruck, i have a quick question. how should i tell people to put a file in /etc/init with inception?00:49
teleshoesthey report that the file they stuck in there with opensh is 644, root.root owned, and they dont have permission to read it, while they CAN read /etc/init/ssh.conf00:50
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DocScrutinizererr 644 should allow world to read00:57
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teleshoesit should00:57
teleshoeshe pasted the code though, and its like:00:58
teleshoes$ root: cat /etc/init/file.conf00:58
teleshoesPermission denied.00:58
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teleshoeswhile cat /etc/init/ssh.conf works00:58
teleshoeshe claims stat --format=%a is 644 on both00:59
DocScrutinizerdunno if aegis kicks in here as well00:59
itsnotabigtrucki think that might have something to do with /etc/init being an 'immutable directory'00:59
teleshoesthats what im assuming00:59
itsnotabigtrucki haven't looked into /etc/init much but there's some weird aegis stuff related to that and only that00:59
teleshoesthis is an aegis-wall i have not hit up against yet00:59
teleshoeswell, fuck00:59
itsnotabigtruckwhat if you try installing into there00:59
teleshoeshe was able to00:59
teleshoeshe got the file there00:59
itsnotabigtruckno, i mean, install into there as a package01:00
teleshoesand then he couldnt read from it01:00
itsnotabigtrucknot cp something in01:00
teleshoeshe couldnt do that anyway01:00
teleshoeshe used inception01:00
itsnotabigtruckso? what does that have to do with it01:00
teleshoesoh what do you mean?01:00
itsnotabigtruckmake a package with the initscript and install it01:00
DocScrutinizerfriggin incredible that you can write to a file you couldn't read afterwards01:00
teleshoesyea, that should work01:00
teleshoesyea exactly01:00
teleshoestotally weird01:00
itsnotabigtruckand then assert whatever privileges you want01:01
jonnithat is normal, if refhaslish sha1 matches and is signed, then after reboot he can cat the file just fine.01:01
DocScrutinizertry setting the file 666 ;-P01:01
teleshoesits not signed01:01
teleshoesi guess he just has to wait until i package it in a deb01:02
teleshoesor use openmode01:02
DocScrutinizerjonni: wait, you say refhashlisted files are even not READable?01:03
jonniifts not signed, then its malf time on next reboot01:03
teleshoesoh fuck01:03
teleshoeslemme tell hium that01:03
teleshoesright now01:03
jonniDocScrutinizer: if its immutable fir and you change the file, you need to sign and flush (easier just to reboot) to be able to read the new file01:03
teleshoesjonni: what should he do?01:04
teleshoesis it enough to just remove the file?01:04
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teleshoesit is, right?01:04
teleshoescause the hash will be the same01:04
jonniif he copies original file over it then hash is the same01:04
lilltigeritsnotabigtruck: hmm I heard that flashing 1.2 onto openmode 1.1 caused issues, but that might not be true?01:04
jonniif he removes, then its malf on next reboot01:04
teleshoesno original file01:04
teleshoesits a new file01:04
DocScrutinizeryeah!! ^^^01:04
DocScrutinizerjonni: ^^01:05
DocScrutinizerstill you said immutable DIR01:05
teleshoesjonni: if the file is a new file in an immutable dir, he can just remove it01:05
jonniah, new file, then most likely remove is enough01:05
teleshoesok cool, thanks01:05
jonniI missread and though that he has changes ssh.conf01:05
DocScrutinizerimmutable dirs, what a fine BS01:05
lilltigerSo if I have the 1.1 openmode I can just flash the 1.2 for my phone on it and get thr regular 1.2?01:06
teleshoesso, if he reboots, it will malf01:07
teleshoesbecause the dir is sha-ed?01:07
jonniteleshoes: shouldnt malf unless he has changed sha'ed file01:07
teleshoesok, cool01:07
* DocScrutinizer turns awaya for a little throwing up, mumbling "incredible how they managed to fsckup a proper OS with some security BS"01:08
teleshoesim so with you01:08
jonniwell if your familiar with aegis, you can easily get around it01:08
jonniyou can sign add init.conf to refhashlist and resign and flush01:09
itsnotabigtrucklilltiger: do you want to stay in open mode, or not so much01:09
teleshoesthats a nightmare, jonni01:09
itsnotabigtrucklilltiger: if you want to stay in open mode, flash 1.2, and then flash a custom kernel for 1.201:09
itsnotabigtrucklilltiger: if you want to go to closed mode, flash 1.2 including both the main and the emmc01:10
lilltigeritsnotabigtruck: well, it dosent matter wich realy, I dident get Network File System to work in openmode either :/01:10
teleshoesi have officially decided aegis is a thing to get around01:10
teleshoeslike a dead animal in the street01:10
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lilltigeritsnotabigtruck: main and the emmc, main is the longname_blaha.bin right, but what is the emmc?01:11
itsnotabigtruckhmm, i thought /etc/init.conf was only related to dsme's immutable files scheme01:11
DocScrutinizerI have decided for me the same regarding HARM at large01:11
itsnotabigtrucker, mandatory files01:11
teleshoesharm has nice ux elements that i couldnt care any less about01:11
lilltigerharm would be kinda neat without aegis..01:12
lilltigerno idea why they added that crap..01:12
itsnotabigtruckwho doesn't like nice ux elements?01:12
teleshoesdont get me wrong01:12
teleshoesi like em01:12
itsnotabigtruckanyway, i'm getting a feeling we're about to retread the same boring aegis argument01:12
teleshoesyea sry01:12
teleshoeshappens whenever i get really angry about it01:12
itsnotabigtruckanyway, lilltiger: just go with regular mode and incept it after installing 1.201:13
itsnotabigtruckjust make sure to do a full flash (i.e. including the emmc)01:13
itsnotabigtruckotherwise you might have trouble with stuff left over from open mode01:13
lilltigeritsnotabigtruck: how do I make sure of that?01:13
lilltigeras I have no idea what emmc is01:13
teleshoesemmc is MyDocs and /home/user01:14
itsnotabigtrucklilltiger: just look up my flashing guide01:14
teleshoesthe one-and-only sticky thread01:14
teleshoesitsnotabigtruck, any news on new inception release?01:15
DocScrutinizerif this was actually the *only* sticky thread in tmo then that'd be quite an offense01:15
teleshoesonly one on n901:15
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itsnotabigtruckwell, that's because the N9 forum is kinda forgotten01:19
itsnotabigtruckall the stickies are in the other one01:19
itsnotabigtruckanyway, teleshoes: it's not arriving until pr1.3 for fairly obvious reasons01:20
itsnotabigtruckbut just a few bugs to investigate and it'll be locked on for release01:20
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teleshoescool deal01:34
itsnotabigtruckanyone know what mechanism modifies the telepathy account parameters during a connection01:39
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itsnotabigtruckspecifically, username from the accounts database to account in telepathy01:39
ZogG_laptopdiorahman: what you searched me for?01:40
diorahmanitsnotabigtruck told me about you imgur apps, which connect with signon fw01:41
diorahmanand possibly account fw01:41
diorahmanZogG_laptop: ^01:41
ZogG_laptopaccount no01:41
itsnotabigtruckdiorahman: what's wrong with popping up webkit for oauth01:41
itsnotabigtruckthat's what it's supposed to do01:41
ZogG_laptopbut i managed to get token with oauth2plugin if you want01:41
itsnotabigtruckalso, xmpp does support using signon01:41
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: didn't you show me a screenshot of imgrup in the accounts list01:42
diorahmanitsnotabigtruck i need to launch accounts ui instead of web browser01:42
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: i just made provider and icon01:42
itsnotabigtruckdiorahman: it looks like what you need is <AccountsUI/NClient>01:43
diorahmanitsnotabigtruck: yeah? xmpp suppot signon? cool. I saw the code but couldn't find the line01:43
itsnotabigtruckthat's part of libnaccounts-ui-dev01:43
itsnotabigtruckthat's the header file for spawning accounts-ui01:43
itsnotabigtruckso you'd spawn it to the account entry screen for your provider01:43
itsnotabigtruckthen your plugin asks for the username, which is then handed off to signon, which pops up webkit01:44
itsnotabigtruckuser logs in, producing oauth credential that gets stored in signon01:44
itsnotabigtruckthen later on in order to log on you ask signon to crunch the oauth token for you to send to the service to log in01:44
itsnotabigtruckalso, the signon integration is part of telepathy-sasl-signon which is closed source01:45
itsnotabigtruckit's also a little bit bugged which is causing major problems for me01:45
itsnotabigtruckit sends the entire jabber id as the sasl identity, and the prosody jabber server wants it to be just the nickname01:45
itsnotabigtrucki'd bug it but it's waaaay too late for that01:45
diorahmanitsnotabigtruck: I could somehow call the provider by using this line:
itsnotabigtruckdiorahman: that's meant to be used from accounts-ui01:46
itsnotabigtruckuse the NClient instead01:46
diorahmanitsnotabigtruck: OK I'll take a look at that01:46
diorahmanso, ZogG_laptop do you use the oauth2 example from gitorious?01:47
ZogG_laptopdiorahman: sort of01:47
diorahmanZogG_laptop: how to 'dispatch' emit userActionRequired(uiSession); to launch another thing instead of webkit-based ui?01:49
itsnotabigtruckdiorahman: i don't understand what you mean01:49
diorahmanitsnotabigtruck: which one?01:49
itsnotabigtruckyou do realize that the entire point of oauth is to request a token using the provider's website01:49
itsnotabigtrucki just explained the flow above01:49
ZogG_laptopdiorahman: i don't i use webkit01:50
diorahmanitsnotabigtruck: yes01:50
itsnotabigtruckdiorahman: so why do you say you want to not use webkit, that makes no sense01:50
diorahmani just want to remove the browser part and use "headless" instead01:50
ZogG_laptopdiorahman: it's the same in new twitter01:50
ZogG_laptopit was different in xauth01:50
diorahmanZogG_laptop: you use xauth? yeah, maybe something like xauth so we dont have to launch webkit based ui01:51
diorahmanitsnotabigtruck: ^01:51
ZogG_laptopno xauth anymore01:51
ZogG_laptopbut who cares01:51
ZogG_laptopyou don't need it, its one time approval01:52
diorahmanZogG_laptop itsnotabigtruck my intention: to have a nice flow just like facebook, twitter and meein apps in harmattan01:53
itsnotabigtruckdiorahman: > you do realize that the entire point of oauth is to request a token using the provider's website01:53
diorahmanyou dont see browser launched01:53
itsnotabigtruckit sounds like you don't realize what oauth is01:53
itsnotabigtruckand the twitter account does launch the browser01:53
itsnotabigtruckstarting with pr1.2 (or pr1.1?)01:53
itsnotabigtruckthere's no getting out of using the browser with oauth, the idea is that the user logs in to the provider's website and the website issues a token01:54
diorahmanitsnotabigtruck: we can simulate it using another server01:54
ZogG_laptopdiorahman: you do in new twitter01:54
ZogG_laptopi mean new app01:54
diorahmanZogG_laptop: ?01:55
diorahmanitsnotabigtruck: do you see "browser" launched when you add account for facebook?01:56
ZogG_laptopdiorahman: delete token from site and delete your accoount and readd it01:56
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itsnotabigtruckdiorahman: facebook on the n9 doesn't use oauth01:56
itsnotabigtrucktwitter does on pr1.2+01:56
itsnotabigtruckadd a twitter account on pr1.2 and you'll see01:56
itsnotabigtruckthey added the oauth engine specifically for twitter01:57
ZogG_laptopthat's what i was telling for half an hour01:57
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diorahmanitsnotabigtruck ZogG_laptop maybe because I just have this n950 with beta02:07
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lilltigeritsnotabigtruck: thanks, got it flashed and all02:09
lilltigerbut the phone stilla "locks", that is stops responding to input and i have to press the button at it's side to get it reponsive again :/02:09
itsnotabigtruckugh, how does diorahman expect anyone to help him when he disappears before anyone can answer02:12
itsnotabigtruckanyway, i finally figured out a configuration that makes xmpp work, and "sticks"02:15
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robbiethe1stHey guys, do you guys know A, why installing firefox from the store on a N950 would fail, and B, why, after that, would x-terminal say "/usr/bin/aegis-session not found"? anything I can check?04:10
robbiethe1stSeems like some critical package is screwed up...04:10
robbiethe1stAlso, half my icons disappeared, and the 'home' screen has vanished.04:14
robbiethe1stI know if I reboot it won't boot04:15
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robbiethe1stOn the ther hand, I know I can 'fix' things by flashing the rootfs by extracting it from the OneClickFlasher and flashing it with the maemo flasher util. Works(did it once before), but doesn't solve my problem of why Firefox is A, not installable, and B, causing this problem.04:16
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DocScrutinizerprobably close inspection of the install pkg will reveal some helping details04:19
robbiethe1stGot some commands I can try?04:20
robbiethe1stI'm not really up to date on all the Harmattan stuff04:20
DocScrutinizernot really, I only think mc can browse dpkg04:20
DocScrutinizer(up to date) me neither04:21
robbiethe1stDo you have Firefox installed yourself?04:22
DocScrutinizerI'm not really an active N9xx user04:22
DocScrutinizerN9(50) rather04:23
DocScrutinizeror - simply put - harmattan04:24
robbiethe1stI still use my N900 for most everything. But I'm /trying/ to use my N950 more...04:24
DocScrutinizertoo many WTF_of_the_[day|hour|minute]04:25
robbiethe1stSad. Cause it's a nice piece of hardware.04:26
robbiethe1stKeyboard is very annoyingly different than the N900 though, and I /do not/ like Capacitative screens...04:27
robbiethe1st(at least, not this one). Swipe is nice, though.04:27
DocScrutinizerto all04:28
* GeneralAntilles sighs at people not knowing their history.04:30
GeneralAntillesFirst paragraph after the break.04:30
DocScrutinizerwhich one?04:40
GeneralAntillesAbout sd69 being the most active council member ever in all history of maemo.org04:40
DocScrutinizerwell, estel is a bit dramatic sometimes04:42
robbiethe1stWho's sd69 again?04:42
robbiethe1stA maemo hater?04:42
* DocScrutinizer honestly wonders what went wrong with last elections04:44
DocScrutinizeror rather: what went wrong with maemo(-image) so last elections were such a flop04:45
javispedrooh for god's sake04:58
javispedrothe debug packages for pr1.2 are in the n9 repos04:59
* javispedro mentally zaps nokia's current debmaster04:59
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javispedroah no, they are not there either05:01
javispedrojust libc6-dbg05:01
javispedro_at least_ libc6-dbg...05:02
javispedroand only libc6-dbg =)05:02
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javispedrowell, can use valgrind now at least without replacing half of /lib05:02
DocScrutinizerI just wandered about at and related. Quite depressing to see how *all* that stalled basically with rise of maemo505:05
teleshoesanyone can point me to a info on how to package a deb for incepting?05:06
DocScrutinizerdidn't even know you need special packaging now for that05:07
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teleshoesaegis-ized, you know05:08
teleshoesAegis-Manifest: included05:08
teleshoesdigsigsums, wif
teleshoesim only assuming i need stuff; i have no idea what i actually need05:10
teleshoesi know nothing about the format for digsigsums, for example05:10
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer teleshoes: you don't05:17
itsnotabigtruckneed special packaging, that is05:18
itsnotabigtruckyou just request whatever permissions you need in the manifest, and with inception, it always lets you have them05:18
itsnotabigtruckhow are you building the package?05:19
teleshoeswell i was going to make the structure and dpkg -b...05:19
teleshoeshow would you recommend doing it?05:19
itsnotabigtruckthe normal debian way is to make a source package structure and do dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot05:19
itsnotabigtruckand the harmattan stuff modifies it to generate digsigsums and embed the manifest05:19
itsnotabigtruckqtcreator/madde does that under the hood when you tell it to package stuff, so you could use that too05:20
teleshoesqtcreator/madde is what i should use i guess05:20
itsnotabigtruckyou probably know by now i recommend using scratchbox :p05:20
DocScrutinizerdang, I can't help reading dingsbums instead digsigsums05:21
itsnotabigtruckwhat's going to be inside the deb?05:21
itsnotabigtruckand do you have a linux set up that you could put scratchbox on05:21
itsnotabigtruckteleshoes ^05:26
teleshoesi use scratchbox to build debs, but from other peoples structures05:26
teleshoeshowever, i dont need to build any binaries05:27
teleshoesit just needs to stick a python script in /opt/program and an upstart script in /etc/init05:27
itsnotabigtruckwell, put your files in a directory, and make a subdirectory called debian05:27
itsnotabigtruckput files named: compat, rules, control, changelog, install, packagename.aegis05:27
itsnotabigtrucki'm probably missing a few05:27
teleshoeswait wait05:28
teleshoeswhat is packagename.aegis05:28
itsnotabigtruckit's the manifest05:28
teleshoesthats the aegis xml manifest?05:28
itsnotabigtruckand packagename is the name of the package05:28
teleshoesi dont know how to make that05:28
itsnotabigtruckthat's one of the easier parts05:28
itsnotabigtruckread this:
itsnotabigtruckfor the others, you'll want to read the debian manuals, it's a bit complicated05:29
itsnotabigtruckthere's a utility, dh_make05:29
itsnotabigtruckit gives you a starter layout05:29
teleshoesi generally know the syntax for the others, ive made a few debs;05:29
teleshoesjust never aegis-ized05:29
itsnotabigtruckhowever you'll want to remove the vast majority of stuff it puts in there and rewrite the other stuff05:29
itsnotabigtruckbecause it puts every possible file in05:29
teleshoesso, what do i need to be able to stick a file in /etc/init and have it work?05:30
itsnotabigtruckwell, this is overkill for that :p05:30
teleshoesas far as aegis stuff goes05:30
itsnotabigtruckbut it would help with expanding it out into a real app05:30
teleshoesthe real app is a python script05:30
itsnotabigtruckthe aegis stuff is just having the digsigsums (which is generated during the dpkg-buildpackage)05:30
itsnotabigtruckand then the manifest for any permissions you might need05:30
teleshoesi dont know what perms i need05:31
teleshoesthats what im gettin at05:31
itsnotabigtruckwell, what does the initscript do05:31
teleshoesstarts the python script with opensh05:31
itsnotabigtruckdon't do that05:31
itsnotabigtruckrun things with opensh, that is05:31
teleshoesfigured youd say that05:31
itsnotabigtrucksee, this is why i said you should assert the permissions you need05:31
itsnotabigtruckyou're using opensh because you need special permissions05:31
teleshoesi guess i need to figure out what i need to get camera perms hammered out05:31
itsnotabigtruckidentify and list them05:32
itsnotabigtruckcamera access doesn't normally require anything special05:32
teleshoesit happens to not work without opensh05:32
teleshoesthe flash-light thing05:32
itsnotabigtruckwell, it does require some not-so-special permissions05:32
itsnotabigtrucki think it might be called camera, lol05:32
teleshoesdevelsh is enough, i think05:32
teleshoesshould i use that?05:32
itsnotabigtruckyou might not actually need to incept this05:32
itsnotabigtruckno, don't do that either05:32
itsnotabigtruckall those programs do is run a shell with a bunch of permissions05:33
teleshoesas far as i can tell, i cant put a thing in /etc/init05:33
itsnotabigtruckyou don't want a shell, you want permissions05:33
teleshoeswithout incept05:33
teleshoesgood point05:33
itsnotabigtruckso ask for the permissions you need, just like those shells do05:33
itsnotabigtruckcheck out the articles near the aegis manifest syntax one i linked05:34
itsnotabigtruckit talks about common scenarios like camera access05:34
teleshoesk, ill fix that up and write a sensible manifest-05:34
teleshoesas for not needing incept05:34
itsnotabigtruckthere's actually a utility that tries to scan your code and guess a manifest for you if you don't put one05:34
teleshoesthats weird, and interesting05:34
itsnotabigtruckbut it doesn't work that well, i recommend doing it explicitly05:34
teleshoesyea, i cant imagine it could actually tell05:34
itsnotabigtruckyeah, it looks for certain keywords basically05:35
teleshoesso, what i need to understand somehow05:35
teleshoesis how to get /etc/init to work properly on closed mode05:35
itsnotabigtruckbtw how important is it that this run early in the boot process05:36
teleshoesnot at all05:36
itsnotabigtruckthere's a directory /etc/init/apps intended for plebeian stuff05:36
teleshoes/etc/init/apps is lame05:36
itsnotabigtruckoh ok05:36
teleshoesit forces it to be not nice05:36
itsnotabigtruckwhat's lame about it besides it taking forever to run05:36
teleshoesyou cant set neg nice values, etc05:36
itsnotabigtruckwell, you could assert sys_nice and lower your niceness back down05:36
teleshoesi cant get it to work :(05:36
teleshoesthats nice05:36
teleshoesi mean, thats cool05:36
teleshoesnot important though05:37
teleshoesi cant get /etc/init/apps scripts05:37
teleshoesto actually show up05:37
teleshoes/sbin/start a05:37
teleshoesno such job05:37
itsnotabigtruckmaybe the problem is your syntax?05:37
itsnotabigtruckoh, also05:37
itsnotabigtrucknot just a05:37
teleshoessame thing works FINE, in /etc/init05:37
itsnotabigtruckit's a path relative to /etc/init/05:37
itsnotabigtruckno, you include the apps/ when you do initctl05:38
teleshoesgot it05:38
teleshoescraptastic, you just solved my real problem05:38
teleshoeswhich is that im an idiot05:38
itsnotabigtruckyou might still want to consider installing to /etc/init, just evaluate it both ways05:38
itsnotabigtrucka lot of people seem to come for help with inception and don't end up actually needing it :(05:38
itsnotabigtrucki'm hoping someone will make a killer app for it05:38
teleshoesthe process is extremely passive, it sleeps on qmkeys05:38
teleshoesbut when you push a button05:39
teleshoesits essential that it respond, like, instantly05:39
itsnotabigtruckalso remember to be careful to catch all the dependencies05:39
itsnotabigtrucka few people have shipped python debs that don't depend on python05:39
itsnotabigtruckthat's bad05:39
teleshoesive got a nice list going on that dept..05:39
teleshoesi depend on lots of python libs05:39
teleshoesxresponse x11-utils python-qmsystem python-qtmobility.multimediakit python-qtmobility.systeminfo python-pyside.qtgui python-pyside.qtcore05:40
teleshoesi should have the minimal set of deps, right?05:40
teleshoeslike, i shouldnt add python to that list05:40
teleshoessince python is a rev-dep of python-qmsystem, etc05:41
itsnotabigtrucknah, include python05:42
teleshoeswait, can i not run things as root from /etc/init/apps?05:43
teleshoesit seems to be failing05:43
teleshoesruns as nobody...05:43
itsnotabigtruckhow are you trying to do so05:43
teleshoesstart apps/a05:43
teleshoesexec whoami > /tmp/out05:43
itsnotabigtruckyou probably need to assert root in your manifest05:43
itsnotabigtruckcheck out restok.conf and see what the existing nokia stuff does05:44
itsnotabigtrucki'd recommend putting a SET policy on your conf file and an INHERIT policy on your python05:44
itsnotabigtruckalso, if you assert CAP::sys_nice that might make it possible to reduce niceness through upstart05:44
itsnotabigtruckon the conf file that is05:44
teleshoeswould that stop folks from running it as root from the cli?05:44
teleshoesno, it couldnt, right05:45
itsnotabigtruckno matter what type of policy you use, it always inherits the user and primary group *unless* you explicitly specify one05:45
itsnotabigtruckso, for example, do <set> UID::root, CAP::sys_nice for your conf file05:45
itsnotabigtruckoh wait, you need the camera too05:46
itsnotabigtruck<set> UID::root, CAP::sys_nice, whateverthecamerais05:46
itsnotabigtruckand on the python, <inherit> whateverthecamerais05:46
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itsnotabigtruckoh, also, you can specify what uid to run as in the upstart file, are you sure you just didn't miss that05:46
teleshoesall this in the xml manifest right?05:46
teleshoesyou can, but it doesnt work05:47
teleshoesworks fine in /etc/init05:47
itsnotabigtruckah, it's probably because you need cap_setuid05:47
itsnotabigtrucki bet what it's doing is reducing privileges when it does the apps stuff05:47
teleshoesi have no idea how it differentiates or who does the differentiation05:47
teleshoesmust be built into upstart05:47
itsnotabigtruckanyway, so assert those in your manifest05:48
teleshoesupstart is gpl'd so that must be available somewhere05:48
teleshoescool, thanks a ton05:48
itsnotabigtruckso you'll have two request blocks05:48
itsnotabigtruckeach with some credential lines and 1 forline05:48
teleshoesthe manifest sets permissions on a per-file basis?05:48
itsnotabigtruckand there has to be some sort of aegis integration going on because upstart conf files can assert privileges05:49
itsnotabigtrucknormally that's only for executables05:49
teleshoesso literally the only special thing05:49
teleshoesis the manifest05:49
teleshoesand digsigsums, right05:49
teleshoeswhy didnt they just use md5sums05:49
itsnotabigtruckfor one md5 is not collision-resistant05:49
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itsnotabigtruckit's a pretty shitty hash algorithm05:50
itsnotabigtruckand shitty05:50
itsnotabigtruckalso if you want to do it the manual route, you need to add an archive member named _aegis with ar05:50
itsnotabigtruckthat has the xml inside05:50
itsnotabigtrucki recommend doing it the normal way though05:50
itsnotabigtruckdigsigsums goes inside control.tar.gz, on the other hand05:51
itsnotabigtruck(inside the DEBIAN dir when you do dpkg -b)05:51
itsnotabigtruckalso if you screw up digsigsums05:52
itsnotabigtruckthat's the fast track to malfing your phone05:52
teleshoesit will be evident instantly, right?05:52
teleshoesif it installs ok on my phone05:52
teleshoesit wont fuck up others05:52
itsnotabigtruckwell, you better reboot afterward to check05:52
teleshoesis what makes the digsigsums05:53
teleshoesand thats in scratchbox05:53
itsnotabigtruckyeah, actually technically it's dh_something05:53
teleshoessince i didnt need to actually compile anything,05:53
itsnotabigtruckor maybe dpkg-gencontrol?05:53
teleshoesi was going to build it w/out sb05:53
teleshoesbut i guess i cant05:53
teleshoesvery annoying, to use a cross-compilation toolkit, to hash some files05:53
itsnotabigtruckyou could but it's harder than the right way05:53
itsnotabigtruckthis way also produces dsc and tar.gz files so you can upload to obs05:54
itsnotabigtruckopen build system, it's what feeds into apps for meego05:54
teleshoesoh cool05:54
teleshoeshadnt thought of putting it there05:54
itsnotabigtruckalso a couple packaging tips, make sure to use a section listed on the meego wiki05:55
itsnotabigtruckstarting with user/05:55
itsnotabigtruckand specify a display name and icon05:55
itsnotabigtruckthat's XBSC-Maemo-Display-Name and XB-Maemo-Icon-2605:55
itsnotabigtruckthe icon should be 64x64, no more, no less05:55
itsnotabigtruckand run it through a png optimizer before base64ing it so it isn't freaking huge05:55
itsnotabigtruckall of those go in the control file05:56
itsnotabigtruckalso your source package format needs to be 3.0 (native)05:56
itsnotabigtruckif you want to submit it to ovi they want a version number that starts with 3 parts like 0.1.005:56
teleshoesim nearly 100% lost with that last one05:56
teleshoessource pkg format 3.0?05:57
itsnotabigtruckyeah, i forget where that actually goes05:57
itsnotabigtrucki think it's debian/source/format05:57
itsnotabigtruckit tells it that the debian packaging is part of the original app, and it shouldn't be separated out into its own tarball05:57
teleshoesis to copy 2 files05:57
teleshoesto 2 dirs05:57
itsnotabigtruckwell, you should treat it like an app05:58
teleshoesit is an app05:58
itsnotabigtrucki mean, i did all this stuff with ad-hac which copies one file to one dir05:58
itsnotabigtruckwith no aegis anything05:58
itsnotabigtrucknot even an executable05:58
teleshoesdo you have the structure for that somewhere?05:58
teleshoesthe build environment05:58
itsnotabigtruckyeah, grab the source05:58
teleshoesi would love to have something to start with05:58
itsnotabigtruckthat's the entire source package, do dpkg-source -x foo.dsc05:58
teleshoesand then to bundle it back up?05:59
teleshoesin sb?05:59
teleshoesargh, i forgot how to download things from afm05:59
teleshoesoh right, theres a repo06:00
teleshoeshow do i get the dsc06:03
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teleshoesbtw, do i need prerm06:26
teleshoesi cant imagine that i do, though maybe i should stop the upstart job06:26
teleshoesdo you know if thats a sensible thing to do?06:26
itsnotabigtruckteleshoes: you probably want postinst and prerm to start and stop the upstart job06:30
itsnotabigtruckyou don't need preinst and postrm06:30
itsnotabigtruckalso the ad-hac scripts aren't very good so don't use those as a template :p06:30
teleshoesheh, ok06:30
itsnotabigtrucknormally you have a case statement that performs an operation only during certain dpkg actions06:30
itsnotabigtrucklike configure, deconfigure, etc.06:31
itsnotabigtruckthere's detailed info about that in the debian manuals06:31
teleshoesmm, ive seen that06:31
teleshoesnot too familar, and its not too important, really, for such a small project06:31
teleshoesits just copying some files, not setting up user based configs and starting services06:32
itsnotabigtruckbut it is starting services06:32
teleshoesheh, right06:32
teleshoesit is06:32
teleshoeslol, thats pretty funny, i must be braindead06:33
teleshoesfunny thing is06:36
teleshoesit also sets up user based configs06:36
teleshoesor at least, it will when i get around to setting up the default config in the deb06:36
itsnotabigtruckalso, the install file looks like this btw06:39
itsnotabigtrucksoandso.conf /etc/init/apps06:40
itsnotabigtrucki.e. filename relative to source package root, whitespace, dest dir06:40
itsnotabigtruckactually, take off the leading slash06:40
itsnotabigtruckso soandso.conf etc/init/apps06:40
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itsnotabigtruckteleshoes: that's how it'll copy the files in06:41
itsnotabigtruckand make sure your python file is +x and has the shebang line06:41
teleshoesgreat thanks06:42
itsnotabigtruckif you used dh_make it'll give you a template rules file that's super concise06:42
itsnotabigtruckoh wait, you're using ad-hac as a base06:43
itsnotabigtruckwell, it uses that too06:43
teleshoesonce i get any deb at all, ill worry about sauce06:43
itsnotabigtruckok, in the rules file06:44
itsnotabigtruckthere's a > override_dh_installdeb06:44
itsnotabigtrucktake that out06:44
teleshoesthanks a ton for all the help, goin to bed06:45
itsnotabigtruckteleshoes: then use an override_dh_builddeb like the one from this one:
itsnotabigtruckok, later!06:46
itsnotabigtruckthat override is needed to make aegis stuff work on OBS06:46
teleshoesmakes sense06:46
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MFaro-TusinoCan anybody help more with a prints script for my package?11:30
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Jareis this an official nokia site
Jareat least the flasher downloads aren't working13:02
alteregoJare: yes13:02
alteregoWhich flasher download isn't working for you?13:03
alteregoThat worked fine for me.13:04
Jaregoogle chrome complained about duplicate headers, but it worked with firefox13:06
alteregoWeird, I've heard quite a lot of issues about Chrome over the past two days :D13:07
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MFaro-Tusinohow do i add an icon to my package? One that appears in app manager13:45
alteregoMFaro-Tusino: You need to add an entry to debian/control13:51
alteregoThink it's something like X-Maemo-4813:51
alteregoDo a google search, needs to be a base64 encoded png of a certain size.13:51
MFaro-Tusinookay, thanks, will look into it13:51
MFaro-TusinoAm I right in believing that  1.2 Final is not available for the N950?14:04
Elleoshould buildboss automatically process things from the apps for meego testing queue? or does it need some manual intervention first?14:15
Elleoerr, bossbot*14:15
Elleoat least I'm assuming its a bot based on the name14:16
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MFaro-Tusinoi thought it was all auto14:26
Elleooh, because my submissions have been in the queue for a day or so and there's another that's been there for nearly a week14:27
Elleowasn't sure if something was broken, or if it was just waiting for the input of someone who's on holiday or something14:28
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rlinfatimy n950 does not power on :( :(14:33
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rlinfatiif the baterry is empty, how i can charge it ?14:33
rlinfatiwith the usb charger a white led is on for 1 second, and after off14:34
MFaro-Tusinoare you running Nitdroid by any chnace?14:36
rlinfatiflasher -i do not detect my n95014:37
MFaro-Tusinohave you altered anything at all?14:40
MFaro-Tusinoor is it stock device?14:40
rlinfatinop, two week ago i flash a stock harmattan, do a full flash.... and power off the phone14:41
MFaro-Tusinoand now it won't boot?14:41
rlinfatiand today do not boot14:41
MFaro-Tusinookay, try running flasher -R14:41
MFaro-Tusinothen plug it in14:41
rlinfati"flasher -i" no not detect my phone, then "-R" do not work14:42
rlinfatii think the battery is empty... but i connect 1/2 hour to the usb charger and nothing...... and other 1/2 hour to the wall charger.... and nothing14:45
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MFaro-Tusinodo you have an N900 or N8 handy?14:54
rlinfatin800, n900, n914:54
MFaro-TusinoN900 should do, I removed my N8 battery and used N950 batt in otto charge14:55
MFaro-TusinoMaybe you can try using your n900 to charge the n950 battery14:55
MFaro-Tusinojust an idea14:55
rlinfatiyep, but i need a screwdriver.... and today is holiday in italy.14:56
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MFaro-TusinoDove abiti in Italia?14:58
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MFaro-Tusinonice, anyway, umm,15:01
MFaro-Tusinoidk how else to charge it15:02
MFaro-TusinoI once left it in flashing mode15:02
MFaro-Tusinofor about a day (got only 7% but then i got charge normally)15:02
rlinfatiwhat screwdriver i need to open the n950 ?15:02
dm8tbrrlinfati: tx415:03
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Jarehmmh, the sim card worked fine in another phone and reflashing didn't change anything. I guess it's time to contact a service center...15:47
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DocScrutinizerJare: yeah :-/16:32
DocScrutinizerJare: you tested another SIM in the supposed defect device?16:33
DocScrutinizerthere are quite a number of pathological cases where a SIM doesn't work on a particular device(-class) while working perfectly on others16:34
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JareDocScrutinizer: the sim card in question has been working since november in the n9, but yesterday it just failed out of the blue. I didn't have another microsim to test, but the supposedly faulty sim card worked fine in another device. I might have another microsim to test in the evening, but I'm not having high hopes on it...16:39
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JareDocScrutinizer: another microsim didn't work, so it's down to warranty...18:32
DocScrutinizeryep :'(18:32
* DocScrutinizer wonders if that's the same problem still as with N900 BB518:33
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DocScrutinizerjonni: could you try to find out inhouse what's the result of investigations about root cause for BB5 hw failures?18:34
DocScrutinizeras now showing on obviously *all* N9.. devices18:36
DocScrutinizerseems a weak spot of BB5 based hw18:37
DocScrutinizerwe'd be interested in how to take care or - last resort - maybe fix the issue18:37
Jarewhat's the problem with those devices?18:38
DocScrutinizerJare: this class of problems you encountered is quite known with N90018:38
Jareand it's a hw problem?18:39
DocScrutinizerand I seem to recall some of the 300 N950 we knew of also suffered from same issue18:39
DocScrutinizerJare: well, on N900 it obviously is18:39
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DocScrutinizereven a mechanical problem possibly, as SpeedEvil found his N900 losing connection when he's pressing a certain area of ~4 keys on kbd18:40
DocScrutinizerspeculations go to BGA soldering problems, which *could* get repaired by re-reflowing18:42
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SpeedEvilWasn't me18:43
JareI would find a mechanical problem a bit weird, since the phone was lying on a flat surface and playing music from spotify, when the problem appeared18:43
SpeedEvilsomeone else.18:43
DocScrutinizerbut only Nokia knows for sure, and I hope they actually do and are willing to share their wisdom, so users that are out of luck and out of warranty have a perspective18:43
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: ooh, then shadowJK?18:43
SpeedEvilIt'd be lovely id they'd do that.18:44
DocScrutinizerJare: mech problem here doesn't mean a lorry ran over it. A poor solder joint can fail on random triggering conditions18:44
SpeedEvilI don't _think_ it was shadowjk18:45
SpeedEvilbut I'm unsure18:45
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: but some of your N900 also had BB5 issues, no?18:45
JareDocScrutinizer: yes, that's quite true. So when the warranty period is over, we should prepare heating our kitchen ovens ;)18:46
DocScrutinizerJare: sth along that line, but only if we can find out good info on the facts18:47
DocScrutinizerif it's e.g. a bonding issue, then we're screwed18:47
JareI wonder if lumia 800 could have the same issue18:48
DocScrutinizerI don't thik hooker800 has BB518:48
DocScrutinizerbut sure it could have soldering issues for large BGA chips as well18:48
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: yes.18:50
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: lots of 'sim error'18:50
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itsnotabigtruckJare: did you try flashing the cmt like i suggested19:17
itsnotabigtruckbut if it's a bad solder joint that certainly won't help19:17
Jareitsnotabigtruck: yes, I forgot to disable the device lock and ended up flashing the whole device, but it didn't change anything. I also tried a different microsim and confirmed that the one I had issues with was working in another phone19:25
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DrGrovIt is so quiet at #n9 so I thought I would ask the same question here19:50
DrGrovI gotta wonder... I have automatic energy saving set at 30% but I wonder... Does the low-power screen with the clock show that power saving mode is activated? Or do I need to open the lockscreen to see?19:50
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jonniDocScrutinizer: what bb5 hw failures?20:52
DocScrutinizerusually showing as "No SIM"20:53
DocScrutinizerthough there are other symptoms as well20:54
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DocScrutinizerjust losing connection like if you were in subway, at random20:54
DocScrutinizerall sorts of error msgs from APE you could imagine related to cmt20:55
jonniDocScrutinizer:  you mean this  where sim card is not regognized if you eject your simcard too often, breaking the detection button?20:56
DocScrutinizerbut for sue "No SIM" and frequent requests to re-enter PIN are most common20:56
DocScrutinizernah, not exactly that, as it seems rather easy to triage and spot the error20:57
DocScrutinizeractually I doubt N900 has any such switch20:57
jonniafaik there has not been any bb5 hw failules, only mechanical ones, but I can be wrong ofcourse20:57
itsnotabigtruckthere has to have been at least one20:58
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Jaremaybe I'll just drop this to Keilaniemi in the morning, so you can decide which one is the root cause in this case, lol21:08
jonniatleast on quick look on bugzilla I cant find hits on simcard and bb5, one hit of dead sim card, but was operator releated, and fixed by new simcard. So my guess would be mechanical fault. But ofcourse nokia care will know better.21:10
jonnialthough if you havent been opening and ejecting simcard many times, its quite unlikely scenario too21:11
Jareyep, I've only inserted it once months ago, when I bought the device21:13
itsnotabigtruckanyone know of any free email forwarding services21:14
itsnotabigtruckthat is, something i can point my MX records to in order to forward mail to that domain to a real email address21:14
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jonnibecause of spammers where arent that many free mx providers out there.21:14
jonnialtough some domain providers do provide you free email forwarding for your domain21:15
jonnilike godaddy21:15
itsnotabigtruckyeah, i was using the one provided by my registrar but then i changed registrars21:15
JareI've been using google apps for my private domain21:15
DocScrutinizerjonni: Jare: I'd guess if there's a switch then there's a GPIO connected to it, and a way to query that in /sys21:18
DocScrutinizeranyway for N900 there's no such switch and we had several cmt failures, iirc shadowJK and SpeedEvil both encountered the problem21:21
DocScrutinizeras well as several other uses that dropped by at #maemo21:22
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Jarewell it does change the icon, when a sim card is inserted/removed. So if there's a switch, it must be working21:24
jonniwill be interesting to see what care will say that the fault was21:25
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DocScrutinizeronly that they usually don't elaborate on particular hw defects, if you're lucky they tell you what has been done to fix it (mainboard swap, etc)21:54
fralsonly saw the No SIM/sim registering issues once but it was because the sim was pretty worn21:55
fralsgot a new SIM and works perfectly now21:55
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itsnotabigtruckanyone know what it means for a jingle (xmpp voice) conversation to be stuck at "Connecting..."?22:25
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rzritsnotabigtruck, u mean using google transport service ?22:28
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itsnotabigtruckrzr: it's using my own jabber server but i was wondering if anybody's experienced it with gtalk,o rsomething22:36
itsnotabigtrucki'm not sure what you mean by "transport service"22:36
rzri never tested a jingle call on harmattan , sip is ok tough22:37
bindigtalk voice chat works wonders22:37
bindieven over 3G22:37
binditoo bad on android the chat defaults to the loudspeaker, not the earpiece22:38
rzrwhich client the other side ?22:39
bindigoogle talk on android ICS22:40
rzrok android22:41
rzri not sure i have it on my ICS version22:41
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VelmontI just tried the gtalk voice thingy today, -- on 3G really nice.23:23
Velmontitsnotabigtruck: It works with jingle on other servers as well? Or haven't you been able to make it work at all?23:23
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rzrVelmont, gvoice != gtalk23:27
Velmontrzr: Isn't gvoice just Jingle over XMPP (/GTalk)?23:29
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rzrgvoice is an other service
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Velmontrzr: Well, I didn't mean Google Voice,  but Google GTalk Voice (or sound or audio or I don't know what to call it)23:30
rzrthe proper protocol is jingle xmpp extension ...23:31
Velmontrzr: So harmattan's gtalk audio call support is in fact not really tied to gtalk at all, it's jingle, then? So it should work with other servers.23:32
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rzrthat's what itsnotabigtruck suggested yes23:33
Velmontrzr: Only that it didn't work :-)  -- But he didn't say if it had worked before or with others.23:33
rzrwe'll have to make some deeper tests23:34
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krnlynghi i've just created an application for my n9 which simulates a touchpad (communicates with the pc via wlan) and it works pretty good. but i have a problem: i've created the layout with qtcreator and the design of the application sucks very much, how can i get it to look native? and also it seems to be locked to landscape orientation how do i change that? (i don't have much experience with qt...)23:41
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jonniuse qml pagestackwindow and you get automatic orientation handling23:44
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