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itsnotabigtruckrnovacek: did you put the provides part in00:59
itsnotabigtruckbecause if not it's definitely not gonna work00:59
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MohammadAGitsnotabigtruck, so about that build script :p01:15
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itsnotabigtruckMohammadAG: lol01:15
ArieMohammadAG: does this mean we'll have an led event notifier script soon?01:17
itsnotabigtruckArie: it already exists but has some problems unless it's been improved recently01:17
MohammadAGTotally unrelated01:17
MohammadAGNot much time reall01:17
MohammadAGand I barely sleep now, for some reason01:18
itsnotabigtruckMohammadAG: i have some work to do this weekend and other stuff like inception and xmpp plugin has my attention :(01:18
MohammadAGtake your time, I'll be looking at the lumia tomorrow01:18
ArieMohammadAG: that sucks01:18
MohammadAGshould be getting it01:18
ArieMohammadAG: lumia 900 or 800?01:19
Arieand didn't nokia send you one as part of launchpad developer program?01:19
MohammadAG800, unless DDP messed up01:19
MohammadAGyes, Israel's so awesome that I'm getting it tomrrow01:19
SpeedEvilHas any progress been made on rooting the 800?01:19
MohammadAGtomorrow* ffs01:19
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: hahahhhah. They don't seem to improve with practice do they.01:20
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, no, I had to get a certificate made for the device01:20
MohammadAGFCC-like shit01:20
MohammadAGthey asked for radio and modem specs01:20
ArieMohammadAG: to use your own apps you had to get a certificate?01:21
MohammadAGmodem is a radio in my book, but yeah...01:21
MohammadAGArie, no, to get the phone into Israel01:21
MohammadAGI also had to get a signed document from one operator that I may use the device under their network01:21
MohammadAGbut I just I'm not putting a sim in it, and that worked01:21
itsnotabigtruckwtf :/01:22
itsnotabigtruckdoesn't israel have some sort of certification logo or something01:22
itsnotabigtrucklike the fcc logo01:22
MohammadAGthink so01:22
MohammadAGbut seriously, they can certify my ass01:23
ArieMohammadAG: I am amused at the nonsense about that, don't they realize  it's just a Nokia phone?01:23
MohammadAGthe second N950 I got needed that certificate01:23
MohammadAGnokia asked for it back and sent a third one, and they didn't ask for a cert01:23
itsnotabigtruckthe about page on the N9 has something like two dozen certifications shown01:23
DocScrutinizerwhat are they gonna do when I travel to IL for holiday, with some exotic shit like neo FR ? :-o01:23
MohammadAGArie, apparently it's the first one to enter the country01:23
MohammadAGI'm pretty sure Nokia Israel has one01:23
MohammadAGas well as some devs on twitter01:23
MohammadAGIsrael's security is fun01:24
MohammadAGespecially when security asks you if you have a weapon on you01:24
ArieSo wierd, it's a Nokia windows phone not a  bomb01:24
MohammadAGif I had one and I wasn't allowed to, why the fuck would I answer yes01:24
DocScrutinizeryeah, look at my dick!01:24
MohammadAGArie, you never know, my guitar amplifier was labeled as an explosive once01:25
ArieMohammadAG: lmao01:25
DocScrutinizerincredible idiots01:25
Ariea guitar amp01:25
MohammadAGexplosives have gain and volume now01:25
Ariehow come nokia didnt send one to israel  to get tested before?01:26
DocScrutinizeresp since I'm sure there's no other country that'd need less to import explosives in amps01:26
DocScrutinizerprobably you can find sufficient ammo to build a bomb on a sunday walk, in some parts *inside* IL01:27
MohammadAGthere's a perfectly good nuclear plant waiting for my lighter in Haifa01:28
MohammadAGbut hey, that's no bomb01:28
DocScrutinizerdepends on how you arrange the critical masses01:28
MohammadAGeven their driving rules are getting ridiculous01:29
itsnotabigtruckMohammadAG: it might be so they can get you for perjury if you say no01:29
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MohammadAGI so wanna be a police man so I can cross a red light without getting a ticket01:29
itsnotabigtruckit's like the boxes on gun transaction records asking if you're insane and whatnot01:29
Ariehaha, less bomb conversations more harmattan conversations :p01:29
itsnotabigtruckand customs declarations and stuff like that01:29
MohammadAGitsnotabigtruck, I always answer yes and they laugh01:29
DocScrutinizerit's just so they don't shoot colleagues immediately, if they search for weapons after they asked01:31
Arielol, they shoot anyways, it doesn;'t matter much01:31
MohammadAGthe army's mostly 18-2301:32
Arieis military service mandatory in il?01:33
MohammadAGfor Israelis yes01:33
MohammadAGfailure to do so = jail time for some long time01:33
MohammadAGdriving without a license = 3 years of jail time01:33
SpeedEvil- where that may include people who were born there, but moved away as children. IIRC01:33
Arieso its like iran01:34
MohammadAGarabs carrying an Israeli passport have to afaik01:34
MohammadAGthough some of them don't01:34
Ariecan you buy yourself out of military service?01:34
Arieor can it be deferred because of college?01:34
MohammadAGsome girl proved she was insane in court01:34
MohammadAGno, you can defer college though01:34
MohammadAGthat's why I'm 18, and the rest are 23-30 in my class at uni01:35
Arieah, so it cant be bought at college?01:35
Ariei mean it cant be bought?01:35
MohammadAGno, you have to serve at the army if you're Israeli01:35
Arieah, are you israeli?01:35
merlin1991Arie: if he were he'd be 23-30 like the other in his class :D01:36
Arielol, you never know01:36
Ariein other countries you can buy it afaik01:36
Arieor you can defer it01:36
MohammadAGArie, most arabs in Palestine don't have an Israeli passport01:36
MohammadAGor a Palestinian one01:36
DocScrutinizeryeah, if I had not smoked, I'd already be 10 years older01:36
Arieiran and turkey being examplea01:36
MohammadAGI have a Jordanian temporary passport, so I'm not actually jordanian01:37
MohammadAGin short, my nationality, legally at least, is unknown01:37
Ariethen where are you from originally?01:37
MohammadAGbut I'm not*01:37
MohammadAGit's a messed up situation really01:37
Arieit sounds like it01:37
itsnotabigtruck:/ bad situation01:38
Arieso technically you are an israeli, but you're not?01:38
MohammadAGPalestinians in Palestinian territories have a Palestinian passport01:38
itsnotabigtruckdoes that interfere with getting a job?01:38
MohammadAGIsraelis have an Israeli passport01:38
MohammadAGwe have a temp jo one, making us a null nationality01:38
Ariehmmm, nice01:38
MohammadAGitsnotabigtruck, no01:38
Ariei dont think its like the us in that regard01:38
DocScrutinizersucks for travel, I bet01:38
Ariefrom what i understand01:39
MohammadAGand by the number of BMWs and Audis in Jerusalem lately, I'd say jobs are going well for some people01:39
Arieit d01:39
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, hah01:39
MohammadAGthe only country I don't need a visa for is Jordan01:39
MohammadAGIsraeli passport carries only need a Visa for the US01:39
MohammadAGit's like a US passport minus the US01:40
Ariesounds cool01:40
itsnotabigtruckhmm, israel isn't in the visa waiver program?01:41
itsnotabigtrucklooks like visa waiver = most of europe, jp, au, nz, sk, a couple others only01:41
MohammadAGafaik it's all countries but the US01:42
itsnotabigtrucki meant countries that the US waives the visa requirement for01:42
itsnotabigtruckrather than countries that waive the visa requirement with an IL passport01:42
* merlin1991 just read the visa requirements for austria01:42
merlin1991quite insane01:43
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: did you buy bt headphones?01:43
MohammadAGZogG_laptop, no, got a pair of AKG K518LE phones01:43
MohammadAGwhich are awesome tbh01:44
merlin1991hm according to some shady page I need no visa at all to enter israel01:46
ZogG_laptopmerlin1991: where are you from?01:48
merlin1991austria (no kangaroos)01:49
ZogG_laptopno kangaroos at all?01:50
ZogG_laptopbtw what lang you speak there?01:50
merlin1991several kinds of german which the average german would not understand :D01:51
merlin1991also yes no kangaroos at all, the alps are not exactly a friendly environment for them01:53
SpeedEvilmerlin1991: They have the large-footed kangaroo though.01:53
SpeedEvilIts huge snow-shoe like foot is ideal for bounding over snow in search of its natural prey.01:54
ZogG_laptopmerlin1991: i know the difference between austria and australia, but i thought you have at least one kangooroo too01:54
merlin1991nope not even in a zoo afaik01:55
merlin1991we've got pandas in vienna though xD01:55
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ZogG_laptopmerlin1991: pandas > kangaroo02:04
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AndrewX192Anyone have ideas on how to restore from a .backup/*/* manually?02:15
AndrewX192(I'm after restoring my wireless networks)02:15
AndrewX192itsnotabigtruck: My Nokia Store finally works after reflashing02:17
merlin1991AndrewX192: no idea about the wireless networks02:19
merlin1991but you can just look at the .backup files02:19
merlin1991it's mostly .zip and sqlite dbs02:19
AndrewX192Yeah, looks easy02:20
AndrewX192The restore application got stuck on exiting flight mode02:20
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itsnotabigtruckjust figured out how to get the debug output for all this telepathy stuff03:22
itsnotabigtruckthis will make things a lot easier03:22
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DocScrutinizeroh, you might've asked ;-D03:31
* GeneralAntilles chuckles to himself while alliterating headlines.03:41
GeneralAntillesDoes "Quim Gil soundly settles ceaseless susurrations surrounding a 'sudden switch-off' of" sound too forced?03:41
SpeedEvilSudden switchoff of certain servers?03:44
GeneralAntilles"Quim Gil soundly settles ceaseless susurrations surrounding a 'sudden switch-off' of certain services at"03:46
GeneralAntillesI guess I should drop maemo.org03:46
GeneralAntilless/certain services at servers/03:47
GeneralAntillesRight, we'll see what Jaffa has to say about that in the morning.03:47
* GeneralAntilles cackles.03:47
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Arieqgil is trying his best, let's try and cut him some slack04:09
GeneralAntillesArie, huh?04:10
Arieim a bit late to the party, i just got the message04:10
GeneralAntillesWhich message?04:11
GeneralAntillesI've been involved in for a very long time.04:11
GeneralAntillesI know exactly how dedicated and competent qgil is04:11
GeneralAntillesand nothing I've said was intended as a slight against him or his efforts.04:11
GeneralAntillesI'm just playing with words to while some time while editing
Ariei forget that this isnt tmo04:11
GeneralAntillesDon't do that. :P04:12
Arielol, my bad04:13
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diorahmanso, I have created a account plugin05:50
diorahmanhow to call it from an app?05:50
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itsnotabigtruckdiorahman: libaccountsetup, i think05:56
itsnotabigtruckis there any interface provided to set an avatar for a google talk account?05:56
diorahmanitsnotabigtruck:  hum, did you try it :-) have an example?05:58
diorahmanitsnotabigtruck: thanks anyway, it seems the way to go05:58
itsnotabigtruckdiorahman: nope06:04
itsnotabigtruckany idea about the gtalk avatar06:04
itsnotabigtrucki don't really feel like adding a google account since doing so kinda invades everything06:04
diorahmanitsnotabigtruck: not yet, will do some poc on this and I'll walk down to that, yeah poor documentation indeed06:05
itsnotabigtruckdiorahman: if you have a google account added, just pull it up and see if there's an avatar field somewhere06:05
itsnotabigtruckhow does one match a contact up with a twitter account06:16
diorahmanhum, should change the provider file?06:19
itsnotabigtruckdiorahman: to do what?06:22
itsnotabigtruckjust fyi my questions about gtalk and twitter are totally unrelated to your account plugin06:23
diorahmanhum, i dont know then06:28
diorahmanbtw, your suggestion works06:28
diorahmani could call the provider from my app06:28
diorahmannow, looking for a way to so SSO06:29
diorahmanand gwt credentials from the logged accounts06:29
itsnotabigtruckbtw what's the plugin for?06:29
diorahmani wanna create a soundcloud app and my own app for managing an enterprise app06:37
diorahmanand the next thing is to write a blog on this :-P06:40
itsnotabigtruckhm, cool06:44
itsnotabigtruckanyway, use the signon password plugin06:44
itsnotabigtruckand provide two aegis tokens from your app06:45
itsnotabigtrucksoundcloud-access and sso-encryption-token06:45
itsnotabigtruckthe name of the latter one matters06:45
itsnotabigtruckthen you need to assert the latter for signond::/usr/bin/signond06:45
itsnotabigtruckand both of them for your account plugin binary06:45
itsnotabigtruckalso assert soundcloud-access for your frontend app06:46
itsnotabigtruckthen when creating the signon identity specify username/secret/caption/method/mechanism/acl06:47
diorahmanitsnotabigtruck: wow, nice, I havent read anything about that, example? :-)06:47
itsnotabigtruckbecause i just figured out most of that stuff today and most of it isn't documented06:47
itsnotabigtruckthe signon stuff has ok documentation06:48
diorahmanreally? need to read the docs06:48
itsnotabigtruckno example, but what i said should be clear if you read the aegis manifest manualo06:48
diorahmanwhere is the complete one?06:48
itsnotabigtruckif you haven't read up on aegis that's required reading :p06:48
diorahmani read that but havent write anything related06:49
diorahmannot yet understand :-P06:49
diorahmanitsnotabigtruck: where is the doc for signon? :-)06:50
diorahmanbtw, can we "fetch" credentials from facebook?06:50
diorahman*facebook plugin06:50
diorahmanitsnotabigtruck: thanks06:50
itsnotabigtruckoh, wait06:50
itsnotabigtrucksoundcloud uses oauth06:50
itsnotabigtruckyou should talk to zogg, he's building an imgur client that uses signon-oauth2plugin06:51
itsnotabigtruckstoring the pass won't do much good06:52
itsnotabigtruckdiorahman ^06:52
diorahmanyeah? is zogg released some source code?06:52
itsnotabigtrucknot sure but >  he's building an imgur client that uses signon-oauth2plugin06:53
diorahmanjust got the deb06:54
diorahmanZogG_laptop: could you share the skeleton of your app for this:
diorahmanthanks :-)06:54
itsnotabigtruckthat deb doesn't have the accounts plugin06:55
diorahmanitsnotabigtruck: how about getting credential info from facebook plugin?06:57
itsnotabigtruckdiorahman: how would that help06:57
diorahmanitsnotabigtruck: that will useful for another app :-) haha06:58
diorahmanthere are many apps need to login to facebook06:58
diorahmani believe djszapi is the best man who can explain about this account-sso thing07:03
diorahmanthe signon-oauth2 is prettymuch in here:
Sazpaimonunless youre nokia, where you can release 3+ different phone models that look exactly the same07:05
* Sazpaimon rolls eyes07:06
itsnotabigtruckdiorahman: i'm not sure if the accounts/sso stuff was really his department07:07
itsnotabigtruckanyway, in order to get the account plugin working you'll need a lot of patience, trial and error, and reading of all the signon/libaccounts-ui/etc. source you can find07:07
itsnotabigtruckalso, isn't there already a soundcloud account07:09
itsnotabigtruckexcuse me, soundcloud app07:09
itsnotabigtruckthough it costs $$$ :/07:09
diorahmanyes, i know, i just want to make a full featured app that's very ''harmattan" (seamless account management), push notification, etc07:11
diorahmanSazpaimon: Hahaha07:11
itsnotabigtruckalso, i got the xmpp account plugin working with signon07:12
itsnotabigtruckthe catch is that it breaks on certain servers07:12
itsnotabigtruckalso the settings gui still isn't there07:13
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diorahmanitsnotabigtruck: i dont think xmpp uses signon07:27
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itsnotabigtruckfor the record, it can09:35
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MFaro-TusinoIs there a way to execute a script once, upon install?12:21
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jonniMFaro-Tusino: yes, debian packages support preinst script12:35
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: pong13:03
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: Sounds good - although the only change I'd make is to change "susurrations" to "suggestions"13:04
MFaro-TusinoJonni: How do I add it?13:06
MFaro-Tusinochampion, will look it over, thanks hesps13:10
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diorahmanitsnotabigtruck: yeah it's frustrating; the oauth2 plugin example automatically launch webkit based signon-ui15:29
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diorahmanhow about this: how to decouple it with /etc/signon-ui/webkit-options.d/16:38
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ZogG_laptopsup sup20:41
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Jareummh, all of a sudden my n9 "lost the sim card" and now it says sim card error21:27
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Jareflight mode, rebooting or reinserting the sim card doesn't help, so I guess I have to try reflashing it. Can I do a full backup (installed programs, settings, user data etc.) somehow easily?21:30
lilltigerWhere do I get Winflasher? the nokia tablet download page gives me an error when trying to download it now, I got it from there last time I used it21:30
lilltigeralso where do I get NaviFirm, finds alot of downloads on google but all of the looks fishy21:37
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lilltigerok found navifirm, still no luck with winflasher :/21:39
lilltigergot it as well, guess it was just chroome that dident like that page21:41
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lilltigerahh doh, winflasher dosent work in win7 :/22:08
itsnotabigtrucklilltiger: it works for me22:10
itsnotabigtruckwhat's wrong with it?22:10
itsnotabigtruckif you're trying to double-click flasher.exe after you install it, do realize it's a command line program22:10
lilltigernaa it was winflasher22:11
lilltigeri need to find the flasher.exe cmd line app22:12
itsnotabigtruckthe exe is called flasher.exe22:12
itsnotabigtruckthe installer is called winflasher_something22:12
itsnotabigtruckdid you even try installing it22:12
itsnotabigtruckthis isn't complicated22:12
lilltigerwhen i ran the winflasher.exe it said that itäs not for this version of windows22:13
lilltigerand i remember using the cmd line tool last time, hmm maybe i shuld install it in comp mode?22:14
lilltigernope dident help22:14
itsnotabigtruckmaybe you got a corrupt download22:14
itsnotabigtruckalso you need 3.12.1 or whatever it is22:15
lilltiger3.12.1 and it says itäs only for 32bit windows22:16
itsnotabigtruckno, it says the program is 32 bit22:16
itsnotabigtruckit still works on 64 bit22:16
lilltigerhmm strange22:17
lilltigeryou where right, the first download failed it seems, did get the full file :/22:19
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jonniJare: sometimes there are connect problems, kludge fix is to tape a thin layers of tape on top of the simcard making it thicker, usually gets better connect after that.22:32
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piggzhandy...n9 has dbus-monitor22:57
lilltigerHmm, when i try to flash my openmode 1.1 phone with the stock 1.1 it says downgrade not possible :/23:02
lilltigerSo do I need to Hard Reset (Clear Device) my N9 if I want to remove the old openmode?23:10
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piggzhow can i monitor the sesssion bus for 'user' when i can only log in as developer or root?23:25
jonnililltiger: if you had some variant 1.1 in your phone then stock 1.1 is a downgrade23:49
khertanpfff track and protect is shitty on harmattan23:50
khertanlost my phone23:50
khertanunable to localize it23:50
khertanit s ringing23:50
khertanbut in silence mode23:50
itsnotabigtrucklilltiger: the reset options in the settings menu aren't an actual reset23:59
itsnotabigtruckif you want to go back out of open mode you need to flash the same firmware you already have, or something with a higher version23:59
Jarejonni: there are very clear contact marks on the sim card and it shouldn't fail by itself, should it? The n9 keeps periodically asking for the pin code, but otherwise the sim card appears to be malfunctioning23:59

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