IRC log of #harmattan for Saturday, 2012-04-07

ZogG_laptopdoes n9 support webdav?00:05
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SpeedEvilIn principle, with an appropriate kernel00:14
SpeedEvilIf you want to mount it00:14
rzrZogG_laptop: i tried to build cadaver iicr00:14
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ZogG_laptopthere is that russian project yandex.disk it's like upcoming google.drive00:22
ZogG_laptopit uses webdav00:24
ZogG_laptopthought it may be handy00:24
M4rtinKX-Fade, itsnotabigtruck: any idea why my app is still stuck in AFM staging, even though it already has 6 positive QAs ? :)00:24
M4rtinKlast package update was on 16.3. so any quarantine should be long over00:26
rzrM4rtinK: do u need me to review it too see if it is not stuck ?00:40
ZogG_laptopM4rtinK: it's stuck there for ever MWAHAHAHHA00:41
ZogG_laptoprzr: review redak for you btw00:41
M4rtinKAFM promotion bugs strike back ! :P00:42
ZogG_laptopM4rtinK: can't review =)00:42
ZogG_laptopM4rtinK: oops00:42
ZogG_laptopM4rtinK: i can't review your app as never used it =\00:42
rzrlet me install it00:42
M4rtinKwell, i think its just bugged :)00:42
rzrthere is another bug in a4m00:42
M4rtinKIIRC 6 positive QAs should be enough for promotion :)00:42
ZogG_laptopstarted to write "can't review" and than thoguth of something else and asnwered "=)" to your post so got mixed thing00:43
M4rtinKBTW, you don't need any comics/mangas to test my app00:43
M4rtinKany images would do to check if everything works as it should :)00:43
itsnotabigtruckM4rtinK: the same thing that happened to ad-hac happened to yours00:44
M4rtinKold version got promoted ? :)00:44
itsnotabigtruckwhich is a huge problem00:45
itsnotabigtruckit's not like you have to do anything weird to trigger this bug00:45
itsnotabigtruckit's major and it occurs under normal behavior00:45
M4rtinKso if I understand it correctly, this can be only solved by manual intervention ?00:46
M4rtinKat least until the bug is fixed00:47
itsnotabigtruckyeah, it seems so00:48
M4rtinKBTW, there are quite a few obstacles present already on the way to AFM, more are not really needed :)00:48
M4rtinKI'll ping X-Fade about it then00:48
DrGrovHappy Easter everyone!00:50
itsnotabigtruckisn't that not until the day after tomorrow00:50
DrGrovSo fucking what? Maybe I am not here then to do the wishes00:53
wookguys, quick question: how to capture scancodes of hardware keyboard on n950?00:55
ZogG_laptopDrGrov: happy passover00:57
ZogG_laptopM4rtinK: it wouldn't work00:58
ZogG_laptopa4m crashes when i start it00:58
ZogG_laptopit worked today btw00:58
ZogG_laptopyou have bad luck man00:58
M4rtinKthe a4m client crashes or what ? :)00:58
DrGrovZogG_laptop: Yo, what the fuck did you just say? I am too tired LOL00:59
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ZogG_laptopDrGrov: Passover today as well01:08
ZogG_laptopMoses was first waterbender btw01:08
DrGrovZogG_laptop: Ah, now I do understand. Thanks for clearing it up.01:09
ZogG_laptopDrGrov: sarcasm?01:10
DrGrovZogG_laptop: Nah, you just misread what I wrote. Not intended as sarcasm01:11
DrGrovAs I already mentioned, I am too tired to follow up on all minor details.01:12
DrGrovBut sure, claim it to be sarcasm if that makes your life feel any better01:12
rzrM4rtinK: mieru is in stable01:16
rzrand unstable too01:16
ZogG_laptopDrGrov: hey man, it's ok. feel better =)01:16
ZogG_laptoprzr: there is one in stable and one in unstable01:16
ZogG_laptopat least it was liek that01:17
M4rtinKthat's the problem01:17
M4rtinK2.2.3 got somehow promoted01:17
DrGrovZogG_laptop: What are you insinuating?01:17
ZogG_laptopyeah i know, you know, but rzr doesn't =)01:17
DrGrovZogG_laptop: That I am no feeling well?01:17
rzri am installing it now01:17
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M4rtinKwhile 2.2.29 is sitting in staging with enough votes for promotion :)01:18
rzrM4rtinK, plz send me a link to a book i can test :-)01:19
ZogG_laptopDrGrov: man, i don't insult anything, i just joked before, but you took it too serious. and i ment to feel better - not to feel tired and to rest01:19
M4rtinKrzr: :)01:21
M4rtinKits in japanese though :)01:21
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ZogG_laptopubunchu? is it about ubuntu?01:21
ZogG_laptopubuntu san01:21
DrGrovZogG_laptop: Ok, roger that. No worries. Perhaps my fucking snus break is making me irritated01:22
M4rtinKalso the only CC licenced manga I know :)01:22
ZogG_laptopchallenge accepted01:24
M4rtinKthere are many translations already - but mostly done as PDFs - which Mieru currently won't handle01:24
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M4rtinKBTW, anyone knows how to get pages from a PDF to a QImage/QML Image using Python ? :)01:25
M4rtinKZogG_laptop: Nice !01:26
ZogG_laptopM4rtinK: btw you can include few CC mangas into pakages if thwey are small enuf01:26
M4rtinKI'll add it to the mieru page so that people have something to test on :)01:26
ZogG_laptopadd the link to about as test01:28
M4rtinKapt-get install ubunchu-ch06-1.1-Maemo5-1.0.deb01:28
ZogG_laptopbtw you parse it?01:28
M4rtinKwhat ? :)01:28
ZogG_laptoptext or it's images?01:28
ZogG_laptopor it's images01:28
ZogG_laptopit's manga01:28
ZogG_laptoptoo late - too stupid01:28
ZogG_laptopi just bumped in something01:29
M4rtinKMieru works with the concept of containers01:29
M4rtinKit opens a folder/archive/whatever(TODO) as a container01:29
M4rtinKand then calls on it getPage(index)01:29
ZogG_laptopi just played with tumblr01:31
M4rtinKso if you write a text container/PDF container or online-something, Mieru would support it basically out of the box :)01:31
ZogG_laptopand there are news that are html01:31
ZogG_laptopthe problem that qml text do not resize images01:31
M4rtinKgood point, Tumblr might be a good candidate01:32
M4rtinKor various webcomics like XKCD01:32
M4rtinKno ide how this would work licence wise though01:32
ZogG_laptopand the images xkcd is already there01:32
ZogG_laptopM4rtinK: so if there is image inside it's not honoring qmltext size01:33
M4rtinKa "I have read the terms-of-use of site X" checkbox might be enough though :)01:33
ZogG_laptopfilled the bug report but they said it's not a bug - it's a feature =)01:33
M4rtinKyou mean when rendering HTML with QML ?01:34
ZogG_laptopjust using qmltext, it does parse html01:34
ZogG_laptopbut not images01:34
M4rtinKwell its text01:34
ZogG_laptopno it's html01:34
M4rtinKwhy should it parse images ?01:34
ZogG_laptopit shows images01:34
ZogG_laptopbut the size01:34
ZogG_laptoplemme show you01:35
M4rtinKso if you supply it with html01:35
M4rtinKthat has some <img>s01:35
M4rtinKthe text size you set is not respected ?01:35
ZogG_laptopM4rtinK: no it's not01:36
itsnotabigtruckso it seems that some accounts have flat backgrounds (caldav, dropbox, flickr, picasa, sip)01:36
ZogG_laptopits the app i started01:36
itsnotabigtruck(and youtube)01:36
M4rtinKso what part is wrong ?01:36
itsnotabigtruckwhile others have gradient backgrounds (mail, mfe, skype, google, fb, nokia)01:37
ZogG_laptopM4rtinK: the image - check the right and left side01:37
itsnotabigtruckalso twitter has a flat background but it's not grey01:37
ZogG_laptopthere is more on right "out-of-the-screen"01:37
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: sup man01:37
M4rtinKoh - it is overflowing to the left and down ?01:37
M4rtinKso the text is automatically fit to the screen but the image is not ?01:38
ZogG_laptopdown it's oky as you can scroll01:39
ZogG_laptopbut big images are getting out of screen01:39
M4rtinKitsnotabigtruck: looks like the Blanco theme was partially opensourced - no idea if that's relevant though :)01:39
ZogG_laptopi ould use qml web but that i need to make a lot of instance for all text posts01:39
rzrM4rtinK,  some suggestion think about supporting .zip input01:39
itsnotabigtruckM4rtinK: open-sourced or outsourced?01:40
ZogG_laptopM4rtinK: and tar.gz if it's still not01:41
M4rtinKit should support tars01:41
M4rtinKbut i don't  think I tested it :)01:41
M4rtinKrzr: it should support zip archives01:42
M4rtinKRAR too01:42
rzrthen forget what i said , i did unpack that archive01:43
M4rtinKno need really :)01:44
ZogG_laptoppitty i don't read manga01:44
ZogG_laptoprzr: pack it back01:44
M4rtinKbut it supports that too01:44
ZogG_laptoppack it bck i said!!!!!01:44
M4rtinKunlike quite a few other manga/comics readers I've tried out :)01:44
M4rtinKmany just won't handle a folder with images01:45
M4rtinKalso, the file extension is completely irrelevant - Mieru checks for file mime using libmagic01:45
M4rtinKother readers just blow up on files with incorrect extensions01:46
itsnotabigtruckhow about this01:47
itsnotabigtruckdownressing it in inkscape seems to have aliased up the edges of the squircle01:48
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: what ya doing?01:52
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: 1)writting account or app 2) you want icon?01:52
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ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: there is online thing to make icons btw01:52
itsnotabigtrucknokia obviously isn't fully complying with those rules01:53
M4rtinKrzr: BTW, thanks for testing :)01:53
itsnotabigtruck(i.e. that the main part of the icon is not to be larger than 40x40, and should be as close as possible to 32x32)01:53
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: i started with javispedro's generator but it isn't quite enough in this case01:54
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: you want it to be perfect?01:55
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: what ya trying to do mate?01:55
itsnotabigtruckhow about this01:56
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: check meein icon, it's uglier than autogenerated, and it's from nokia01:57
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: well, it's specifically intended for 80x80 launcher icons, not 64x64 account/appmanager icons01:57
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: no01:57
ZogG_laptopi think it's not good, i think background is to dominating01:57
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: i think you should make kinda shadow to bring the object forward01:58
ZogG_laptopcheck mail's one or webs one01:59
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Arieitsnotabigtruck: I like the icon it looks good02:00
itsnotabigtruckarie ZogG_laptop:
itsnotabigtrucklast one is the same as the one i linked a min ago, 2nd last is an attempt to clone the flat background of the 1st 202:06
Ariethe white background icon for xmpp looks good02:06
Ariebut the light blue one is better looking02:07
ZogG_laptopwhite is better02:07
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: are you making theme or what?02:07
Ariei dont think a theme02:07
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: nah, it's for a modification to aard's xmpp accounts plugin02:08
itsnotabigtruckit's the opposite of a new theme, it's supposed to blend in02:08
Ariebtw qneptunea v.0.17 is out if anyone is interested02:08
ZogG_laptopArie: you developing it?02:08
Ariei just got the message that it can be downloaded02:09
ZogG_laptopArie: =( is it opensource?02:09
ZogG_laptopi saw it's out earlier on tweeter02:09
Arie@task_jp is developing it02:09
itsnotabigtrucki think i'll go with the grey02:09
Arieive flashed my N9 8 times in 3 days02:09
Ariehonestly im not too worried how it looks vs just working02:09
* ZogG_laptop wondering if it's using oauth2plugin or extrenal plugnin, i got bumped with oauth signature creation02:10
ZogG_laptopArie: didn't flashed it once yet02:10
ZogG_laptopor actually once02:10
Ariethen you're not using many beta apps02:10
ZogG_laptopwhen updated thru nokia update software02:11
ZogG_laptopArie: i even have qt5 repo02:11
Arieso nsu updates and wipes the emmc?02:11
ZogG_laptopnot emmc02:11
Ariei want my emmc flashed each time02:12
ZogG_laptopwhat for?02:12
Ariei like a clean device :)02:13
DocScrutinizerwook: xev?02:13
ZogG_laptopArie: good you don't buy new device each time02:14
Ariei wish i could afford that02:14
ZogG_laptopi think you doing it wrong02:15
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: show the grey version already =)02:15
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Ariedoes anyone else use the irc chatter app?02:16
Ariekozzi: i wish the user list was more visible02:17
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: hm? the grey is in the imgur album i uploaded02:17
kozziI find it quite good, the nick completion works02:18
kozzithe channel list could be implemented differently though.02:19
kozzianyone how to add ssh profile to n9?02:20
kozzitoo lazy to type pass and login info to terminal02:20
ZogG_laptopArie: yes i do02:21
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: oh it's grey, i thought it's more white02:22
ZogG_laptopkozzi: there is settings to use ssl02:22
ZogG_laptopkozzi: do you use last version?02:22
Ariekozzi: im using ssl on irc chatter02:23
ZogG_laptopi'm using irc chatter on ssl02:23
kozziI mean for irssi02:23
kozziwith terminal02:24
Ariei dont use irssi02:26
ZogG_laptopme either02:27
ZogG_laptopi do but on laptop02:27
Ariei wish opera would use the stock keyboard02:27
Arienot some random crap keyboard02:28
kozziI have irssi on school server :p02:31
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DrGrovWhat is happening?03:14
DrGrovAnyone got some nice ex. wallpapers or such to share? I am feeling like I need to pimp up my N9 somehow03:14
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tommaDrGrov, try,iszw:854,iszh:854&sa=X&ei=7Yh_T5mgDeKO4gSa0bzNBw&ved=0CBAQpwUoBQ&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=ee2631625bfb2446&biw=1745&bih=87303:23
DrGrovtomma: No, you are making me bliiiiiiind with that google crap03:27
DrGrovtomma: But much appreciated that you took the time to respond with such a long nice webpage address :)03:27
itsnotabigtruckanyone with a google account configured on their phone?03:28
itsnotabigtruckif so, if you do mc-tool list, then mc-tool show <account>03:28
itsnotabigtruckwhere <account> is the google account id from the list03:28
itsnotabigtruckdoes it contain the password in plaintext03:28
itsnotabigtruckor some sort of token03:28
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DocScrutinizerwhat kind of token could that be?03:42
DocScrutinizerthe password rot13'ed?03:42
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer: *stare*03:43
DocScrutinizerI mean, you (or rather: your app) will need the password in plaintext anyway03:43
itsnotabigtruckit would be stored in signon03:43
tommaitsnotabigtruck, mc-tool show doesn't seem to show neighter03:44
itsnotabigtruckyou know, that thing that's constantly breaking for everyone03:44
DocScrutinizerthen what friggin token do you expect to see? "******" ?03:44
itsnotabigtrucktomma: so no password entry of any sort?03:44
DocScrutinizermakes sense03:44
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itsnotabigtruckcould you post the output (redacted!)?03:44
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itsnotabigtrucki.e. remove your nicknames, any unusual looking data blobs, etc.03:45
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tommai could but there is nothing which indicates password or token03:45
itsnotabigtrucki wonder how that all works03:46
DrGrovtomma: You mean "neither"?03:47
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Hi Doc. How are you?03:49
DocScrutinizerI'd guess you have one data base table with all the "public" credential details and a unique key, and a "secure" table with the password and the unique key03:49
DocScrutinizerDrGrov: hi! well, still ill03:49
DocScrutinizerotherwise fine03:50
DocScrutinizerthe "secure" table can be read only by those apps that aegis allows03:51
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer: that = how telepathy-gabble is getting the password03:51
DocScrutinizersee ^^03:51
itsnotabigtrucktelepathy-sasl-signon < probably that03:51
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer: i didn't mean the technical implementation but how it's wired up, because the signon stuff isn't in telepathy-gabble itself03:52
itsnotabigtruckbut that explains it there03:52
itsnotabigtruckunfortunately that part is closed source03:53
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: I hope that you will get better soon :)03:53
itsnotabigtruckwell, i guess i could try attempting to use it and seeing if it works with a regular xmpp server03:53
DocScrutinizerand, tbh, I don't bother too much. I'm not exactly worried about which process reads my password. My security concept is a different one03:53
DocScrutinizerDrGrov: thanks :-)03:56
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: You are welcome :) I know the feeling how it is to be ill. Had a serious struggle with getting better after being 1 week with fever, running nose, throat pain like I am coughing up my lungs etc.03:59
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DocScrutinizera mild form of what you got, here04:04
DocScrutinizerday 3 and I thought it should be over already - it isn't04:04
diorahmanitsnotabigtruck: SSO? Hahha, if you figured it out please let us know04:05
GeneralAntillesDon't you hate it when the bugs linger?04:09
diorahmanwhy there is no proper docs for Account and SSO? :-O04:09
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer: It will take roughly a week before you get past it04:22
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Could of course be a milder version or different version but nevertheless I hope you get better :)04:23
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Well, talk to you later Doc. I am off. Get better.04:24
DrGrovTalk to you later guys and gals, everyone have a Happy Easter now! :)04:24
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itsnotabigtruckthis is about it for docs :/04:32
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itsnotabigtruckwhen one receives a gtalk message05:09
itsnotabigtruckwhat icon appears in the notification bar05:09
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itsnotabigtruckApr  6 22:44:30 (2012) telepathy-sasl-signon[8182]: GLIB CRITICAL ** GLib - g_hash_table_unref: assertion `hash_table != NULL' failed06:44
itsnotabigtruckok, this is weird06:47
itsnotabigtruckall those Apr  6 22:46:53 (2012) cellular: csd[651]: simatk_report_event_notification:460 Building and sending ATK_REPORT_EVENT_NTF -message06:47
itsnotabigtrucklog messages?06:47
itsnotabigtruckit turns out they're generated every second that you have your finger on the screen06:47
itsnotabigtruckplus a few seconds after that06:47
itsnotabigtruckwhy is it reporting that to the sim card :/06:47
tehdelyi've been wondering about those for a while06:48
tehdelywonder if it's some CarrierIQ-like nonsense06:48
itsnotabigtrucktehdely: btw do you have a gtalk account set up on your phone06:51
tehdelyevery now and then you hit me up on it06:52
itsnotabigtruckif so, could you do mc-tool list, mc-tool show with the name of the google talk account06:52
tehdelyand then complain about how i don't have OTR ;)06:52
itsnotabigtruckredact the info and upload06:52
tehdelyhmm, i seem to have two06:52
itsnotabigtruckright, i thought you had it set up :p06:52
tehdelyi wonder if that's a vagary of all my passwords having been nuked after a crash06:52
itsnotabigtruckwell, normally there's at least 3 total entries06:52
itsnotabigtruckwell, at least 2, with no im accounts06:52
itsnotabigtruckmms and talk06:52
tehdelyoh wait, one is facebook06:53
tehdelythere's really nothing in here i need to redact06:53
itsnotabigtruckwell, if you include your JID and then post it here, web spiders will get to it and spam you06:54
teleshoesso folks06:56
itsnotabigtruckhrm, nothing real fascinating there :(06:57
teleshoesits time for my once-every-3-days question06:57
teleshoesdoes anyone on the internet06:57
itsnotabigtrucktehdely: when you connect to gtalk do you get that telepathy-sasl-signon message06:57
itsnotabigtruckin your syslog06:57
teleshoesknow how to set the media volume {the main/system one} on an n9/n950, from the command line06:57
tehdelylet's see06:59
tehdelyyou're right, btw06:59
tehdelyit sends those SIM messages every time i touch it06:59
tehdelythat is.... unsettling06:59
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tehdelyi'm grepping out that simatk stuff07:02
tehdelyotherwise it'd be flooded with it07:02
itsnotabigtrucktehdely: heh07:04
itsnotabigtruckok, so no, it doesn't produce that error07:04
itsnotabigtruckit's probably bombing out with that in my case07:04
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teleshoesbetter luck next time, internet07:23
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Ariejonni: can I get some help?12:37
jonnidepends whats the problem :)12:39
Arieive reflashed my N9 about 10 times in the past 3 days12:39
Ariemessing with beta apps and all that12:39
Ariebefore with being root12:39
Ariei could write to /home/user/12:39
Arienow i can't12:39
Arieeverytime i try to12:39
Arieit says permission denied12:40
Arieany ideas?12:40
jonniby default root is not allowed to write to /home/user12:40
jonniyou need to do devel-su - user in order to write to /home/user12:40
Arieright, im saying devel-su cant do it12:40
Ariemy mistake, i keep thinking devel-su is root12:41
jonni"devel-su - user"12:41
jonnithat will load you a user shell12:41
Arieasks for a password12:41
Arieis it rootme?12:41
jonnidepends fromn where yuo are switching12:42
Arieim switching from user12:42
jonniwhen you dont even need to switch, is whoami returns user, then you can write to home/user12:43
Arieso as a user i can write to home/user?12:43
jonnidevel-su - user is only needed if you want to switch from root to user12:43
Ariejust tried it12:44
Ariei tried to cp something from /home/user/MyDocs/ to /home/user/ and it said permission denied12:45
jonnimight also depend what and where your trying to cp stuff, since not all files or dirs are owned by user12:46
Arieim trying to take from /home/user/MyDocs/ to /home/user/.local/share/applications/12:46
jonnithat dir is onwed by user, so if your running as user it should succeed, but if your running command as root, it should fail12:48
Ariedidnt work as user12:49
jonniso what kind of files are you trying to copy then?12:49
Arie.desktop files12:49
jonniand with cp vs cp -a vs cp -r?12:50
Arieim using cp -r12:50
jonniand are you trying to overwrite anythings12:50
jonnilike if you are trying to cp quicklaunchbars it will fail, because those files are owned by root12:51
Ariebut it's a .desktop file for the terminal12:52
jonniwhy cp -r? are you trying to copy subdirs`?12:52
Ariei should try with just cp?12:52
jonniyep, -r is only for subdirs12:52
Ariethank you for explaining that12:52
Ariestill not working12:53
jonniso what kind of commandline do you have for cp?12:53
Arieyou mean busy box?12:53
Arieor somethign else?12:53
jonniin device focourse?12:53
jonniin busybox dir owners are totally different12:54
Arie~ $12:54
infobotit has been said that $ is a dollar sign12:54
jonnino I mean "cp jkjklfsdklajf lkfaslkjfglkj,jg"12:54
jonniand "ls -la thedesktopfilethatyoutrytocopy"12:55
Ariecp /home/user/MyDocs/meego-terminal.desktop /home/user/.local/share/applications/12:55
jonni~/MyDocs $ cp foobar.desktop /home/user/.local/share/applications/  works for me just fine as user12:56
jonniso can you ls -la /home/user/MyDocs/meego-terminal.desktop12:56
jonniand ls -la /home/user/.local/share/applications/   and put then to some pastebin or something12:57
Arie-rw-rr--r-- 1 user root 157 Dec 9 12:40 Terminal.desktop12:59
Arieis the output of  ls -la /home/user/.local/share/applications12:59
Ariei dont know how to put it to pastebin13:00
jonniTerminal.desktop != meego-terminal.desktop13:00
Ariei have renamed it to Terminal13:01
Arieso i dont mix it up with the meego terminal13:01
Arieit worked before the 10 flashes13:01
Arieim wondering if i did something wrong?13:01
jonni"ls -la /home/user/.local/share/applications/"   "accli -I"   "whoami"   "ls -la /home/user/MyDocs/*desktop"13:02
jonniif you can copypaste those if might help13:02
jonniyour filesystem is corrupted then since there cant be -rr- ever13:03
Ariei just flashed it13:03
Ariehow is the file system corrupted?13:03
jonniI have no idea -rw-rr--r-- is just impossible13:04
Arieso i am flashing with a bad rootfs file?13:04
jonninope, MyDocs is not part of rootfs13:04
jonniMyDocs is generated with emmc13:04
Arieso im flashing with a corrupted emmc?13:05
Ariei flash both at the same time13:05
jonnior you are copying corruter Terminal.desktop file to emmc13:05
jonnior your copypaste was not successfull13:05
Arienope, its the same one ive used since the start13:05
DocScrutinizerI bat on latter13:05
Ariefor instance before flashing it 10 times13:06
Arieit worked fine13:06
jonniusually iles are -rd-r--r-- a13:06
Ariewith that exact file13:06
jonni-rw-r--r-- even13:06
jonniand if you get -rw-rr--r-- then something is really wrong13:06
DocScrutinizeryou can have - in each place, but no way a double "r"13:07
Arieso what is your suggestion13:07
DocScrutinizerredo ;-)13:07
DocScrutinizeror, wait13:07
Arieredo the flash?13:07
jonniyou must be just screwing with me, if you getting -rr- then most likely complete reflash is in order :)13:07
Arieor the terminal?13:07
Arienot again13:08
jonnisudo -fF firmware.bin -F emmc.bin --erase-user-data=secure -R13:08
jonniand your sure that -rr- was not an typo?13:09
Arieshould i do that from the commandline?13:09
Arieim rechecking again13:09
Ariei dont mind flashing again13:09
jonnisudo flasher even13:09
Ariefrom the command line or from a pc?13:10
jonnior if you want to avoid reflashing then pastebin all the output from the commands that I asked from13:10
Arieeh, if it's corrupted id rather reflash13:10
DocScrutinizerdo "stat <file>"13:10
DocScrutinizerpaste that13:10
Arieas user or root?13:11
jonniit doesnt matter, user or root13:11
infobotfrom memory, coffee is the reason the net exists, the drug of choice for a GNU generation,, /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, geiseri's favorite beverage13:11
jonnias user should be enough, since your trying to do things as user13:12
Ariedoc can you kick the infobot please?13:12
Arieso for access: i get (0644/-rw-r--r--)13:12
Arieis the infobot a person/13:12
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infobot:), DocScrutinizer13:12
Arieso it must have been a typo before13:12
jonniso if you copypaste the outputs then we might be able to help13:13
DocScrutinizerthat's easy to find out, just redi ls -l13:13
Arieyup i get -rw-r--r--13:13
DocScrutinizerredo "ls -l <file>"13:13
Arieit was a typo13:14
Ariejonni: one more question I had was is there a difference between the firmwares for pr001 legacy and pr005 aus?13:15
jonniArie: no idea, most likely differences of what languages it includes13:16
Ariefor some reason I can't keep stable signal from my service provider on pr005 from aus13:16
Ariei'm based out of the us13:16
DocScrutinizerI'm not kicking females13:17
Arieim wondering if using PR001 will fix that13:17
Arieive tried changing sims13:17
Arieand all13:17
Arieand my N8 gets a signal everytime, whereas my N9 keeps losing signal13:17
jonniI doubt that, most likely your service provider just have bad reception on your area13:17
DocScrutinizerif you really despise infobot, you put her on yur /ignore list13:18
jonnidifferences on antenna db's13:18
Arieis there a way to fix it, or is that a hardware issue?13:18
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jonniserviceprovider issue more likely, unless someone else with N9 gets singal fine in your location13:19
Arieno one else i know owns an N9 in my area13:19
DocScrutinizerwtf is an antenna db?13:19
Ariedecibels i assume13:19
DocScrutinizeror do you mean antenna dBm?13:19
dm8tbrDocScrutinizer: I suspect dBi13:20
DocScrutinizerright :-D13:20
jonniantenna sensitivity13:20
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dm8tbrit's called 'gain'13:20
Arieis the N9's antenna more sensitive or the N8's?13:20
DocScrutinizerhah, good question13:21
dm8tbrthey both better be around the same, because you can't cheat physics13:21
DocScrutinizerthough nowadays this shouldn't really matter13:21
Ariefrom my personal experience the N8's is better13:21
jonniArie: no idea, for me I havent had any problems in N9 or N8. But if your location N8 works, then most likely N8 is more sensitive.13:21
DocScrutinizerwith the zillions of BTS13:21
Arieah ok13:21
dm8tbras in: if one has more than the antenna pattern must be narrower which isn't necessarily good13:21
Ariethat's all i needed to hear, thank you jonni13:21
Ariei still perfer the N9 :)13:22
dm8tbrit's also possible that the NF of the RX chain sucks13:22
dm8tbror that the sensitivity of the RX itself sucks13:22
jonnibut ofcourse if there is 1.3 even coming, you could 1st test 001 to see if it helps before switching to 005 (other way around would get downgrade error)13:22
Ariei realized that13:22
DocScrutinizeror that the signal meter sucks ;-D13:22
Ariethere is no way to downgrade then?13:23
Ariethen again how is pr001 considered a downgrade?13:23
DocScrutinizerit is13:23
DocScrutinizerdon't ask ;-D13:23
jonnitimestamps of .bin images, if 005 is generated few seconds after 001, then 001 has older timestamp.13:24
jonniand is thus downgrade13:24
Arie005 will always be generated after 00113:24
Ariethank you so much jonni13:25
jonniif your nokia person you can ofcourse downgrade, but that luxery is not offered to end users.13:25
Ariei have realized that13:25
divanHi all. What are the cons and pros of implementing settings dialog for app with Control Panel applet? I can't get whether it's really more useful than own implementation (with QSettings and own QML UI for example).13:26
DocScrutinizerjonni: I assume somebody at Nokia is feeling mighty proud of finally having implemented that ?13:26
Ariewhat i want to know is what is the value of downgrading, say beyond testing certain things?13:27
DocScrutinizersomebody probably in or near platsec13:27
jonniArie:  no value really, sometimes its usefull to test app in pr1.0 to get pass ovi store qa, but otherwise no use13:27
DocScrutinizerArie: rollback to a working system, when the upgrade is borked - sth that of course *NEVER* happens with Nokia updates X-P13:28
Ariejonni: I wouldn't want to go back to PR1.0 anyways13:28
DocScrutinizerArie: also developers don't need 3 or 4 or 5 devices, just to test on diferent OS versions13:29
Ariethats true13:29
Ariejonni: do you use an N9 or an N950?13:29
jonniand hopefully that pr1.0 requirement will be lifted at some point... if there is next update coming at somepoint.13:29
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Ariesome nokia people ive seen use N9 others prefer N95013:29
DocScrutinizerjonni: I honestly hope it's not, as that insane policy of no downgrade keeps me from upgrading13:30
jonniArie: I use N9 as primary phone. and then I have few N9's and N950's for sw development.13:30
Ariemay I ask why you prefer the N9 over the n950 for a primary phone?13:30
DocScrutinizerwell, maybe because the N950 is not THAT cute like everybody thinks13:31
DocScrutinizere.g. the keyboard is abysmal13:32
Ariei know that13:32
jonniN9 is much more usable as user studies have shown that end users dont want to have hw keyboard (only very limited about of IT nerds want to have hw keyboard).13:32
Arieis it just that?13:32
DocScrutinizerfsck user studies13:32
DocScrutinizerone million flies can't fail13:32
jonniheh, well and N9 has NFC, and I like to play with tags13:32
DocScrutinizerask iPhone users if they want a kbd!13:33
Ariewhen I used the N950, it was horrible at keeping a 3g signal, pr1.2 beta was so slow and I was always was worried about dropping it (it was a slippery phone), also a lack of NFC13:33
jonniand I can always connect bluetooth kbd if I want13:33
DocScrutinizerask the blind if red or green is a nicer color13:33
DocScrutinizerNFC is a valid reason13:33
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DocScrutinizerthough I haven't managed to use that function a single time ever13:34
Arieget a nokia luna or a play36013:34
Ariebtw, jonni is the idea of making tags like the sony idea possible, where it changes profiles and other settings?13:34
Ariesay for the car, home, or work?13:35
DocScrutinizerspend money on that thing? NEVARR!13:35
jonniArie: its only software so its possible but not that practical, you can more easily just scan cell towers and change profiles accordingly13:35
DocScrutinizeror get micro-location via WLAN13:36
DocScrutinizerthat nifty WLAN triangulation that gives sub-meter precision in buildings13:36
Ariejonni: then will the NFC be used for payments in the future or is it just put there as a test bed?13:36
DocScrutinizerdepends on jonni's crystal ball13:37
jonniArie: that depends on adaption, it can be used, but have no idea will it be used13:37
Arieso it is possible then?13:37
DocScrutinizerpayment? unclear13:38
DocScrutinizerallegedly not13:38
jonniwell nfc is used in bus-route payments atleas on few cities in finland13:38
diorahmanOk, I will ask the same question, what is the best way to integrate our app with accounts&sso ?13:38
jonniso its possible to use it as payment13:38
DocScrutinizeryeah, but not for general micropayment13:38
DocScrutinizeras I heard the N9 NFC is lacking a feature for that13:38
jonninot going to replace money most likely :)13:38
diorahmanI'm interested to build app similar with meeIn, which deploy account setup plugin to accounts-ui and CALL it from app whenever it needs it13:39
DocScrutinizerIrather see amex etc come with more credit cards with NFC built in13:40
M4rtinKI have such a card and its quite nice :)13:40
M4rtinKmuch faster than normal card payments13:40
DocScrutinizeresp thru your jeans and purse ;-P13:41
M4rtinKnot many shops have the the upgraded terminals for it though13:41
jonnimore likely its just handy for pasting urls to device just like 3d barcodes.13:41
jonniif you dont want to use meescan13:41
M4rtinKseems to be rather short-range13:41
M4rtinKprobably by design13:41
DocScrutinizerhow thick is your jeans fabric?13:41
M4rtinKI'd say pretty standard13:42
DocScrutinizerI'd say well less than range of NFC13:42
M4rtinKon the other hand, someone with a stolen card reader and a directional antenna... :)13:43
DocScrutinizeror simply card reader in a suitcase13:43
DocScrutinizerand pushing you13:43
DocScrutinizerI bet you can come up with even niftier scenarios13:44
DocScrutinizerintegretad into bar seat13:44
M4rtinKat least its limited to some small sum without PIN13:44
M4rtinKand sometimes asks for PIN randomly13:44
DocScrutinizersecurity guy at airport with his metal detector that not really a metal detector only13:44
M4rtinKalso, I hope they use some sensible PKI scheme13:45
DocScrutinizera simple button/switch on card would've been way better13:45
M4rtinKbasically like SIM cards do - so that the car reader needs to talk to an authentication server in the bank13:46
M4rtinKand also authenticate itself13:46
DocScrutinizeryou could easily use solid state sensor: a capacitor you "short" with your finger13:46
DocScrutinizerM4rtinK: you bet it doesn't talk to a central auth server13:46
M4rtinKon the other hand you can just pay without opening you wallet - with all the downsides :)13:46
DocScrutinizerdefeats the usecase13:46
M4rtinKwell the normal terminals do13:47
M4rtinKno internet - no payments usually13:47
DocScrutinizeryes, as they are stationary and highpriced13:47
M4rtinKthe only terminals I saw so far13:47
DocScrutinizereven there the trend goes away from online POS13:48
M4rtinKwere just upgraded normal car terminals in supermarkets13:48
DocScrutinizera lot of supermarkets here now go away from auth, and simply do 90% to 95% withdrawal13:49
M4rtinKthe most important use-case right now is to speed up checkout in the supermarket queue13:49
DocScrutinizeras auth is too expensive13:49
DocScrutinizeryou can tell apart when you have to remove your card before you enter the PIN13:50
DocScrutinizerI friggin ask what it does with the PIN then13:50
M4rtinKyeah, many small shops still don't do cards because of the high fees13:50
M4rtinKnever seen this13:50
DocScrutinizeror maybe I'm still not awake13:50
M4rtinKthe card is always in the terminal when entering the pin13:51
DocScrutinizermhm, maybe I mixed it up with the remaining 5% where you have to REenter your card, then enter PIN13:51
DocScrutinizerthey do that on random13:51
DocScrutinizeralso do that when you're on their local blacklist13:52
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M4rtinKstill wonder why the card processing fees are so high13:53
M4rtinKis it because they basically have a monopoly ?13:53
DocScrutinizerprobably for the banks to earn money13:53
M4rtinKeven if they have the best HSMs available and all the other stuff13:54
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DocScrutinizeramex takes 5% iirc13:54
M4rtinKit should have long paid for itself13:54
DocScrutinizerso why shouldn't they take some 50ct per transaction?13:54
M4rtinKwell I'm I'm paying monthly for my card - that should be enough :)13:55
DocScrutinizerthat's not how capitalism works ;-D13:55
M4rtinKthe current system is also broken :)13:55
DocScrutinizernobody ever thinks "duh, that's enough. I stop earning money with the thing"13:56
M4rtinKif it was cheaper, people would use it more13:56
M4rtinKand they would probably make more in the end13:56
M4rtinKthat's the problem IMHO13:56
DocScrutinizerI bet they have really good studies for that13:56
DocScrutinizersmall shops wouldn't use it when it's for free, simply due to other expense for hardware and service13:57
DocScrutinizerso probably it's already on the sweet spot with fees13:58
Ariesmall shops dont use amex because the fees are higher13:58
Arievs 2-3% for amex13:58
Arieits 7-10 for amex13:58
Arie2-3% for vias13:58
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DocScrutinizermy father always (well sometimes) used to ask "can I pay with amex or would you like to grant me 5% off?"14:00
Ariesmart man14:11
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Arieis elemental here?14:18
Arieyeah the user from tmo14:18
DocScrutinizer~seen elemental14:18
infobotelemental <55d35809@gateway/web/freenode/ip.> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 422d 14h 19m 6s ago, saying: 'And demonic too'.14:18
Arie~seen elemental14:19
infobotelemental <55d35809@gateway/web/freenode/ip.> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 422d 14h 19m 25s ago, saying: 'And demonic too'.14:19
Ariehaha infobot is cool14:19
DocScrutinizeroops, you missed that due to your /ignore list ;-P14:19
Arienope saw it14:20
Arieit was cool both times14:20
DocScrutinizerseems that elemental is using webirc portal, so evidently not a frequent IRC user14:21
Arieah ok14:23
Ariethank you14:23
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infobotyou're welcome :-)14:23
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ZogG_laptopM4rtinK: meiru seems to be stable15:22
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MFaro-Tusinohow can i use aegis-exec in my desktop file to run a shell script?15:23
M4rtinKZogG_laptop: of course, but a4m does not think so :)15:27
M4rtinK2.2.3 got somehow promoted15:27
M4rtinKbut 2.2.29 is sitting in staging with 7+ votes :D15:28
M4rtinKX-Fade: ping ? :)15:28
DocScrutinizer突發] Meltemi 將成為全新 Nokia S40, Qt Linux OS?15:32
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DocScrutinizerMeltemi 蓄勢待發?Nokia 311 和 306 配全新 S40 操作方式?15:34
GeneralAntilleslol15:35 revival time?15:35
DocScrutinizerlooks like swipe15:35
GeneralAntillesNeed more swipe.15:36
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DocScrutinizermaemo meego meltemi MAAAN!15:37
ZogG_laptopM4rtinK: wait, i installed stable one15:37
ZogG_laptopM4rtinK: damn you, i can't see the version coz you don't have about15:39
ZogG_laptopM4rtinK: i think i know what's the problem btw15:39
ZogG_laptopM4rtinK: maybe it think 3> than 2915:40
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M4rtinKhope not :D15:44
M4rtinKthat would be a serious oversight15:44
M4rtinKIIRC itsnotabigtruck had a 1.0 package imported in place of 1.115:44
M4rtinKso that is probably not the cause15:45
SpeedEvilerr - s40 meltmi?15:49
SpeedEvilI guess wait to see if it comes with a GPL offer15:50
ZogG_laptopgpl offer?15:50
DocScrutinizerI'd bet they managed to move to some closed licence scheme for "meltemi", based on whatever ripped BSD/pseudo-linux/$other-*nix15:54
DocScrutinizerjust again "for differentiation"15:55
DocScrutinizerthe mixed mode (open kernel with blobs on top) didn't really pan out, so wit a choice of going full open or all closed, they most likely picked the latter15:57
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Corsacsorry but I can't see meltemi anywhere in the fcc docs16:01
MFaro-Tusinoits the manuals that infer to it more than anything16:04
DocScrutinizerWTF?! 163pp SAR report?
DocScrutinizerthe whole thing feels a bit hollow, for news16:09
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Elleo <-- supports most basic stuff you'd expect now16:36
ZogG_laptopyay, another good app on the way to a4m16:46
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ZogG_laptopElleo: wasnot refering to this, but if you add this it would be «yay, 2 another good apps on the way to a4m »16:55
Elleoah, heh17:00
Elleowaiting until a few people have had a chance to test the new version before submitting it to a4m17:01
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ZogG_laptopElleo: there is testing in a4m17:10
ZogG_laptopso you can get community QA17:10
ZogG_laptopso you better go for testing there17:11
Elleoah, okay17:18
ZogG_laptopElleo: are you relative to Sheldon Cooper btw?17:21
ElleoZogG_laptop: afraid not17:22
Elleomade a submit request for a4m testing now though :)17:22
ZogG_laptopbad i don't use identica17:23
ZogG_laptopElleo: did you integrate it to feed screen?17:24
ElleoZogG_laptop: yep, that was the first thing I did :)17:24
Elleothen the main app stuff came later17:24
Elleosince it was mostly from the feed screen that I wanted to use it17:24
ZogG_laptopbtw did you use builtin account?17:27
ZogG_laptopElleo: ^17:32
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ElleoZogG_laptop: you mean the accounts system? no17:49
ElleoI had a look at that, but it seemed to be a massive headache and not especially documented (although someone managed to setup a custom XMPP account thing)17:50
ZogG_laptopElleo: that's what i'm trying to do now17:52
ElleoZogG_laptop: <-- is the custom xmpp accounts thing that Aard did, might be of some help to you17:54
ZogG_laptopi saw it17:55
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AardElleo: if you stick to meegotouch the account system is quite easy to manage. the big stunt in my case was that I wanted to test doing the accounts page in qml embedded in the page provided by the accounts-framework18:00
ElleoAard: I was trying to stick to python + qml for my thing18:00
Aardwell, wrong language, wrong technique ;)18:01
Elleoalthough I ended up having to deviate slightly from that for the syncfw plugin18:01
ZogG_laptopAard: yeah, that's what i want18:01
Aardthe current ui-stuff from the accounts is from before the switch to qml was made -> you're supposed to use meegotouch. other methods work, with different levels of hacking18:02
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: concerning AFM18:02
ZogG_laptopAard: i want to use native, the one twitter uses, but got lost there18:02
itsnotabigtruckit's because the system assumes that you won't ever upload a new version of a package unless the last one got 6 approvals18:02
itsnotabigtruckwhich makes no sense when you think about it18:02
ZogG_laptopAard: i tried to use your code btw18:02
Aardthe documentation really sucks, though, so you'd have to read the sources (quite a lot of the accounts-stuff is public), and the headers for the nokia-accounts stuff18:03
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: but M4rtinK has newer version there18:03
itsnotabigtruckaard: heh, i tried to figure out how the gui works but got mired in all the opaque undocumented accounts-ui stuff18:03
AardZogG_laptop: with my code you can just replace the part where I set the qml player with meegotouch code, and you're good to go18:03
itsnotabigtruckaard: any idea if there's any "trick" the native plugins use to generate their ui18:04
itsnotabigtruckwhat about that advanced settings button on the sip plugin18:04
ZogG_laptopAard: i'm new to qt and programming at all, so it's hard for me. and i don't want to use simple password/username account18:04
Aarditsnotabigtruck: it's easier when don't have to rely on public information only ;)18:04
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: i think they take it from provider file18:04
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: right, he uploaded 2 versions to testing without the 1st being approved18:04
Aardthe native plugins are a big mess of meegotouch-code, around a similar base like I used18:04
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: check the provider file there, there are also conf and css files18:05
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: nothing in the provider file18:05
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: one is approved18:05
itsnotabigtruckalso i tried to use the declarative ui in the services file18:05
itsnotabigtrucki'm guessing they didn't really finish that18:05
itsnotabigtruckno wonder nothing uses it18:05
Aarditsnotabigtruck: non of the nokia-provided plugins I'm aware of uses qml18:05
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: this isn't that complicated, read what i said18:06
itsnotabigtruckwhat happened was, upload v1 -> approved, upload v2, upload v3 -> approved18:06
itsnotabigtruckthe system promoted v2 instead of v3 because it was the last one that wasn't approved18:06
itsnotabigtruckwhich makes no sense but that's the bug18:07
itsnotabigtruckAard: it looks like the ovi plugin uses qml18:07
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: on symbian =)18:08
ZogG_laptopAard: so you used native account ui?18:09
AardZogG_laptop: I used native account-ui and just set a qml-player as the main widget18:10
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ZogG_laptopAard: where can i read what i should get from account-ui and what should i pass to it?18:11
itsnotabigtruckthey really should have open sourced the account plugins :| at least a few of them to at least provide some sort of example18:12
itsnotabigtruckno docs wouldn't even be so bad if the whole thing wasn't a ridiculous infinitely complicated mess18:12
AardZogG_laptop: like I said, use the source. there's a bit of interesting stuff in libaccounts-ui18:13
itsnotabigtruckyeah, but a lot of that stuff seems to be clutter from the aborted declarative ui stuff18:14
ZogG_laptopfrals, ^ maybe some examples?18:14
itsnotabigtruckwell anyway, Aard: here's some icons18:15
itsnotabigtruckthose should be named icon-m-service-xmpp.png and icon-s-service-xmpp.png18:17
itsnotabigtruckalso, i attempted to get credential storage through signon working, but it produced a weird error in the syslog during logon then displayed incorrect password18:18
itsnotabigtruckApr  6 22:44:30 (2012) telepathy-sasl-signon[8182]: GLIB CRITICAL ** GLib - g_hash_table_unref: assertion `hash_table != NULL' failed18:18
itsnotabigtruckAard: maybe you'd know more about how that mechanism is supposed to work? i'm pretty sure google accounts use it so it has to be theoretically possible, as long as it isn't totally google specific18:19
itsnotabigtruckthe icon-m-service-xmpp is also intended for use as the appmanager icon18:20
Aardthanks for the icons, I'll replace mine later18:20
AardI need to check about the accounts storage, I had some code for that, but not sure where18:20
itsnotabigtrucki didn't create a new aegis credential for storing the password, i wonder if that's the problem18:22
itsnotabigtruckalso, is there some reason you refer to ClientLogon in many places18:23
itsnotabigtruckthat seems to be a google-proprietary method of verifying auth credentials18:23
ZogG_laptopi don't think it's google related18:32
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djszapi|windowsmerlin1991: ping19:21
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ZogG_laptopnice 404 on harmattan ai documentation20:10
phakoworks here20:12
phakooh, you mean the plugin-guide20:12
itsnotabigtruckphako: might you know why <method name="sasl" token="xmpp-accounts::xmpp-access" /> seems to fail right off the bat20:17
itsnotabigtruckname="password" works, but then telepathy-sasl-signon bombs out when it's time to connect20:17
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phakoer no.20:17
itsnotabigtruckjust checking on the off chance you knew about signon20:19
itsnotabigtruckseems like no one does20:19
phakowonder where mardy disappeared to.20:20
ZogG_laptopas he says he is not in this for a while and other people continued it20:20
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jonniheh, just coded me a small perl script, which fetched all the deb packages of the ovi softwares that i've installed, so on next reinstall I can just cp *.deb and dpkg -i *.deb :)20:30
jonnigot tired for clicking apps one by one on each reinstall :)20:31
pathats a good one..20:39
pais it available anywhere?20:40
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ZogG_laptopjonni: and one time you wouldn't be able to download coz it's limited to 5 times only =)21:07
teleshoeswhat what what21:07
jonnithats only for paid content before you need to replay, free content you can download as many times you want21:08
jonnirepay even21:08
teleshoesi do what jonni does all the time, and im extremely worried21:08
teleshoesoh cool21:08
dm8tbrjonni: also applies to updates?21:08
jonnidm8tbr: dont know, havent looked the sources if counter resets on update21:09
javispedroare you limited to 5 downloads in ovi store? O.o21:10
ZogG_laptopjonni: free is free, the problem is i don't want to pay over9000 times for one thing21:10
ZogG_laptopjavispedro: yes21:10
jonnijavispedro: no, you are limited to 5 redownloads of your paid content (like 1euro before it asks again for payment, for next 5 downloads)21:10
jonni(counter measuremnt for people who share their ovi store account, ie 10 different phones and users use same ovi account, only 5 of them can install the paid app).21:12
javispedrojonni: where is this documented?21:14
jonni(or like I have 4x N9 and 5x N950 and I'm using same ovi account for all of them, I cannot install paid app to all my _own_ phones)21:14
DocScrutinizerso this means I must reflash only 5 times? Exert yourself, Nokia!21:14
jonniDocScrutinizer: well you can always make backup of the deb that you installed21:15
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DocScrutinizerI'll for sure be pissed when in a year all my apps refuse to install, after I had to reflash the 6th time21:15
javispedroI am pissed already21:15
ZogG_laptoplol you didn't know?21:15
javispedropissed enough to sent threatening emails to whoever is behind the support address21:16
ZogG_laptopjonni: what stops to use IMEI to check?21:16
javispedrobecause, oh, even in the FAQ it says I will be able to redownload as many times as I want21:16
ZogG_laptopjavispedro: you would be if you pay again =P21:16
javispedro(translation): "What happens if I buy a new phone or for some other reason lose my current downloads from the Nokia Store? "... When you login to the Nokia Store using your new phone, and if the content is still available and compatible, you will be able to download it _for free_".21:17
DocScrutinizer_available_ X-P21:18
jonniwell you can always contact ovi store support, they will help you to get it for free most likely, its just a countermeasure for abusers21:18
ZogG_laptopjonni: IMEI?21:19
DocScrutinizercherry, aegis, ovistore. Nokia Nokia tztztz21:20
ZogG_laptopi like cherry, it's tasty21:20
javispedrowell, this only goes to reinforce the feeling that the  ovistore is a complete waste of time...21:20
ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer: can you add SM and WP7 to this list21:20
ZogG_laptopi think we should make like a4m but for paid stuff (like cydia for iOS)21:21
jonniZogG_laptop: well as download urls are just clearttext and authentication is just passed as argument, so it can be faked.21:21
ZogG_laptopwhen authors can profit but respect users21:21
ZogG_laptopjonni: than check it on phone as well before install21:22
DocScrutinizerand not to forget: less than 2 years of support for RX-51 n900, so not even fulfilling warranty obligations, not to mention reasonably expectable LTS for a device of that price21:22
ZogG_laptopjonni: as well as it's only url i can download deb and pirate it, so who is stupid here =)21:22
jonniZogG_laptop: yes, would be possible if ovi store would generate custom deb package per imei, but it doesnt21:22
DocScrutinizerjust for that some class action in USA should sue their ass outa the water21:22
ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer: haha n9 is less than 2 years and what?21:22
RST38hDoc: Willing to guess how long Lumia 800 will be supported?21:24
jonniwell as nokia is not selling N9 in usa, and you can get your apps for free from support21:25
javispedroand the frigging ovistore comments form has a character count limit21:26
itsnotabigtruckjonni: the way the download limit is implemented is absolutely unacceptable, pirate countermeasure or not21:27
itsnotabigtruckit could have been implemented so many other ways, but as it stands it backfires for a huge number of users21:27
jonniwell touch luck, normal end users never will notice it21:27
itsnotabigtrucke.g. 5 downloads a month21:27
javispedroshort enough I filled it already in the few minutes since I started ranting,  and I was using the vkb =)21:27
itsnotabigtruckthen you haven't been paying attention21:27
itsnotabigtruckfailed downloads count against the limit21:28
itsnotabigtruckand the broken ovi store client fails a lot21:28
teleshoesthe problem21:28
teleshoesis that 5dl/mo21:28
teleshoesonly stops normal users21:28
teleshoespeople who arent trying to, er, pirate, apps21:28
teleshoesits absolutely retarded21:28
itsnotabigtruckthat's the thing too21:28
itsnotabigtruckit's trivial to obtain a deb for a paid app21:28
teleshoesunder no circumstances does it prevent piracy21:28
itsnotabigtruckthe limit only kicks in on normal users21:28
jonninormals users only reflash phone once per PR release, and with ota they dont neet to reinstall, limit never kicks in for normal user who down use flasher21:29
jonnidont even21:29
javispedroeven better, the contact form on the ovistore doesn't even actually work,21:29
teleshoesjonni: no, if youre on shoddy internet, the first time you try to buy the app and install it,21:29
teleshoesyou can get screwed21:29
teleshoesbeing a normal-user-on-a-train21:30
DocScrutinizerwe seen exactly same retarded "only forces loyal users to act like pirates" brainfuck from nokia before. I just can't recall when and on what topic21:30
javispedroor just someone who uninstalls -> reinstalls stuff to avoid filling /21:31
teleshoesoh yea21:32
teleshoesthat too21:32
DocScrutinizerthat's exactly what I do all the time (though not on crappy HARM). install apps "on the fly" as I'm always online and don't need all that crap on my storage21:33
DocScrutinizerthis braindead policy effectively defeats this usage pattern21:33
teleshoeswhat about updates to paid apps21:34
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DocScrutinizerbtw all this sounds strangely familiar to me, from psycromoft21:35
javispedroNot even them have this stupid limitation21:36
DocScrutinizerooh they have21:36
javispedrowell, or so I think, it could also be hidden21:36
javispedrohidden from even the _terms_21:36
DocScrutinizerafter 5 to 10 installes you suddenly see "invalid key, please contact service: <phone  number>"21:36
javispedroah, activation21:37
javispedro(I was thinking about the lumia store)21:37
DocScrutinizerthe "service" when told you're testing installations on your machine, will lift the limitation21:37
teleshoesim gonna give this one last shot: does anyone here know how to adjust the media volume, the one in the status area, from the command line21:38
teleshoesi tried: phonon, qt mobility, pa_cvolume, pacmd/alsamixer/amixer21:38
DocScrutinizeron fremantle it's been a gconf key afaik21:38
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer: but the ms activation setup doesn't have a hard install limit21:38
teleshoescouldnt find an api for it anywhere, or any dbus calls, or anything21:39
javispedroitsnotabigtruck: it's true they do have a soft one like he said21:39
itsnotabigtruckif you install every few months it works every time pretty much21:39
javispedrothey require you to phone call21:39
itsnotabigtruckjavispedro: well, not just that21:39
itsnotabigtrucki mean that time is a factor too21:39
* DocScrutinizer just hopes for the ultimate shitstorm against Nokia. They've "done evil" one time too often - maybe already two times21:40
itsnotabigtruckwell, that's the thing, with nokia it's usually not evil but stupid21:40
teleshoeslil bit a both21:41
DocScrutinizerteleshoes: you heard my comment?21:41
teleshoesfremantle gconfkey?21:41
teleshoesi srsly doubt it, but i actually havent checked there21:41
itsnotabigtruckalso if anybody's ever used signon with sasl let me know21:41
teleshoesyea theres no mafw on harmattan afaik21:42
javispedrothere's certainly mafw and that's the way to do it21:43
itsnotabigtruckdid N900 allow for generic xmpp accounts?21:43
javispedroitsnotabigtruck: yes21:43
itsnotabigtruckjavispedro: hm, how much of the accounts framework stuff was there before21:44
teleshoeso man, javispedro, thanks for the tip, ill look into it21:44
itsnotabigtruckdoes it have anything like service/provider files21:44
javispedroitsnotabigtruck: for all I know, all of it, but never done anything with accounts21:44
itsnotabigtruckhm, probably not, that part was invented for meego21:45
itsnotabigtruckbut it did have signon, i think21:45
javispedroI think it's the opposite21:46
javispedrolibaccounts was in diablo even21:46
* DocScrutinizer idly wonders what in javispedro's affirmation counts as a tip21:46
teleshoesjavispedro, i cant find a dbus service for it21:46
teleshoesqdbus --system | grep -i mafw21:47
javispedroI am looking at it.21:48
teleshoesoh cool!21:48
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teleshoesi dunno why i dont see it21:49
teleshoesim doin: qdbus --session | grep -i mafw21:49
DocScrutinizerwhat does qdbus?21:50
* javispedro is getting enraged as I'm trying to find a contact address for store complains. I've found the address where I can request Patent Licensing Requests but no Ovi Store complains21:50
teleshoesqdbus prints all the services that are active21:50
javispedroah, active?21:50
DocScrutinizerthe service is only active during audio playback afaik21:50
teleshoesi see21:50
javispedrojust introspect it and it should launch21:51
teleshoesso like, thanks a ton21:51
javispedroqdbus /com/n21:53
javispedrookia/mafw/renderer/mafw_gst_renderer set_extension_property volume 6021:53
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: deliver by papermail, wrapped around a bunkerbuster21:54
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teleshoesCannot find '.set_extension_property' in object /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/mafw_gst_renderer at
DocScrutinizeror start sueing them for not offering proper impressum info right away21:55
DocScrutinizerrather for intentional fraud21:56
DocScrutinizeras they not only rip you off with download limit but also intentionally hide their contact so you can't complain21:56
javispedroit's fun that there's a link on the precisely for "I cannot download content I already paid for".21:57
javispedrothe link takes me...21:57
DocScrutinizerin EU this might suffice to get the cuffs for some fool in there21:57
javispedroto Nokia Maps21:57
javispedroto the Nokia Maps frontpage, showing a map of a city I don't even know.21:57
DocScrutinizeryeah, well designed text dungeaon21:58
DocScrutinizerto repell any potential troublemaker21:58
DocScrutinizeryou hardly can assume they are well intentioned21:59
DocScrutinizerand all this only by a big "oops we're such fools"21:59
javispedrowell I'm a big fan of Hanlon's Razor21:59
DocScrutinizerwhich is?21:59
DocScrutinizer(too lazy to google)22:00
javispedroDon't attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence22:00
DocScrutinizerthis CAN NOT explained by incompetence22:00
DocScrutinizer*if* this was incompetence, then they'd be guilty and to be sued just for that, and the sentence would be higher than for fraud :-D22:01
javispedrowell, lots of hops indeed, but I got to it22:07
teleshoesi just dont see what im doing wrong here22:07
javispedroused this ( )22:07
javispedroteleshoes: launch the media player and retry22:08
javispedroprobably need to understand how qmafw autospawns itself to reproduce it via a simple qdbus call22:08
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teleshoesthanks SO MUCH22:09
teleshoesworks beautifully with music-suite running22:09
teleshoesnow, i just have to investigate what you said, spawning qmafw22:09
javispedroyou can also certainly use alsa, but there are different mixer levels depending on headphones,s peakers, etc.22:12
javispedro*mixer settings22:12
DocScrutinizer[2012-04-07 20:50:54] <DocScrutinizer> the service is only active during audio playback afaik22:13
teleshoesi want to have the volume slider move22:13
teleshoesand this appears to be the only way22:13
teleshoesto tell sysuid about it22:14
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javispedroDocScrutinizer: touché :)22:19
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* DocScrutinizer still wonders how to adjust standard aka default aka master level - the one that's changed when NO sound gets played22:35
DocScrutinizerwell, the "slider" is a strange chimera anyway22:36
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teleshoesmusic-suites totally closed, right?22:51
itsnotabigtruckthis could be useful22:58
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teleshoesanyone know if qmafw-gui open source?23:08
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itsnotabigtruckafraid not23:11
itsnotabigtrucklmfao @ op and his/her images23:12
itsnotabigtruckargh, i still haven't received teh karma transfer on maemo.org23:13
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DocScrutinizerepic thread23:35
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rnovacekhello, I have problem. Calling method queryIdentities on instance SignOn::AuthService emits this error "Client has insuficient permissions to access the service.Method:queryIdentities"23:44
rnovacekI'm guessing that Aegis is the cause of the problem23:45
rnovacekbut I'm not able to figure out what to write to .aegis file23:45
piggzhow would i find out what dbus signal occurs when there is an email notification?23:47
piggz(i want to add a feature to mbwatchlink)23:47
itsnotabigtruckrnovacek: one thing you might have to do is23:47
itsnotabigtruck<provides><credential name="sso-encryption-token" /></provides><request><credential name="sso-encryption-token" /><for path="signon::/usr/bin/signond" /><for path="yourapp" /></request>23:48
itsnotabigtruckalso it's possible to make it so that a given identity can only be accessed with a particular aegis token23:49
itsnotabigtruckwhich would be set when the identity is put in23:49
itsnotabigtruckbtw are you using signon-saslplugin, and if so, do you know of any tricks to getting it working23:49
rnovacekitsnotabigtruck: that snippet results to: "Package todoread: <for> refers to 'signon::/usr/bin/signond', not installed by that package -- ignored"23:51
rnovacekitsnotabigtruck: I'm not using signon-saslplugin23:51
rnovacekI have a simple provider using signon-plugins23:52
rnovacekand I need to read password stored when registering to account23:53
itsnotabigtruckrnovacek: whoops, my typo23:54
itsnotabigtrucknot signon::23:55
rnovacekitsnotabigtruck: now it's "Package todoread: request 'sso-encryption-token' ignored -- credential is not defined"23:57

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