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| kozzi_ | elop must really hate symbian | 00:01 |
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| DrGrov | javispedro: I think your option is correct. I will have the current APN to be as not to use automatically. | 00:02 |
| DrGrov | javispedro: That solves the case. | 00:02 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | also, yay, new USB lid installed | 00:02 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | the top of my N9 looks awesome again | 00:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | USB lid? | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | that flimsy flap | 00:05 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Hi there Doc. Let me know, you got a solution to my roaming question? I think you are on top of the situation in every aspect. | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | yay | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: I'm quite opposite of "on the top of situation" today - caught a flu or sth | 00:10 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Damn, sorry to hear that. I got it last week, it is a PITA | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | so all my statements are just fever ideas. Anyway here they are: "allow roaming" enables your modem to log in to a network that's "alien to the SIM" | 00:11 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Still up for me explaining it for me the roaming thing? I am not sure how do it properly. | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | disabling this option should reliably block all roaming | 00:11 |
| DrGrov | Oh sorry, I wrote already before I saw what you wrote. | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | np, I do this all the time | 00:11 |
| DrGrov | It is the damn blue button that should not be blue and it is disabled? | 00:12 |
| DrGrov | Fuck I hate colors on phones, why not just fucking ON or OFF? LOL | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: no idea, I never had the needed microSIM to test N9 | 00:12 |
| DrGrov | Could I turn off "Internet connection" as well only? And still keep the APN settings? | 00:12 |
| DrGrov | Or are the settings connected somehow with the current internet connection when it is enabled? | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | turning off "internet connection" for me means it won't connect to any internet network. This may or may not affect if the modem actually logs in to a "foreign" APN | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, APN settings are connected to the special "packet" account in internet networks | 00:15 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Ok, so I will not lose the APN settings anyhow? That is a relief | 00:15 |
| sahib_ | does anyone know where to find libmeegotouchcore0 et al for linux (x86)? | 00:16 |
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| sahib_ | n/m, found it | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: first of all you shouldn't accept any configuration SMS that for sure will be sent by any foreign network your device is roaming to | 00:18 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Ok, I will not download them then. I am quite sure I am not going to get one. Probably just a SMS telling me the cost of using their network bla bla. | 00:20 |
| DrGrov | Damn this, it is difficult to get the roaming thing under control somehow. | 00:20 |
| DrGrov | Probably just overthinking as usual :) | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're not downloading SMS, they pop up on your device. And each network provider sends configuration SMS to each new roaming device they encounter. One for MMS, one for internet... You'll receive them anyway, just do NOT hit "OK" when device asks you to "store" or whatever | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | as that most likely will actually overwrite your APN settings (unless it creates an auxiliary GPRS network and keeps your primary one) | 00:23 |
| javispedro | never got one of those =) | 00:26 |
| javispedro | providers here are just waiting for you to mess up and unwantedly hit the "connect" button, other than that, they do not move their asses for anything.. | 00:27 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: that's strange | 00:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | is that a thing on the german/other european networks | 00:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/rtdpj/the_fallout_alphabet/c48jh2o?context=1 | 01:17 |
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| * javispedro sighs as woody managed to bring his meego-is-useless fight to the council thread | 02:06 | |
| javispedro | either the guy wants to get flamed, or does never learn | 02:06 |
| * javispedro gives up | 02:06 | |
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| * javispedro trolls some more before really giving up | 02:19 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | how many people have been nominated so far | 02:19 |
| javispedro | too many too count, will surely be an election | 02:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's necessary that there be enough to exclude people trying to provoke a spat between N900 and N9 users | 02:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | *exclude candidates | 02:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: wait, I'll give you sth to moan about even more | 02:21 |
| javispedro | evil =) | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | as HARM, no matter how shiny it might be, is actually useless for NIT die-hards | 02:22 |
| javispedro | psch | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | and MAEMO council election definitely is unrelated to HARM | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik it's still MEEGO HARM | 02:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: we all know what you think about harmattan, no need to whine about it for the umpteenth time | 02:23 |
| javispedro | the problem is that the harmattan hatters are getting very vocal | 02:24 |
| javispedro | and there WILL be blood | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're asking for an argue? you ca earn a kick instead | 02:24 |
| javispedro | specially when they realize that e.g. build.obs.maemo.org doesn't exactly host a file sharing site =) | 02:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's an iteration of maemo, maemo.org is the main place to talk about it, it's definitely related | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're adding points on your kick account | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | blaming me for whining when I state the obvious | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | while you claim BS | 02:25 |
| javispedro | see how there will be blood? | 02:26 |
| javispedro | I fully side with itsnotabigtruck here | 02:26 |
| javispedro | heck, look at this channel's users | 02:26 |
| javispedro | and compare with #maemo | 02:26 |
| javispedro | *userlist | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed, I get furious when somebody jumps train on FMC and then tells me TMO is the place to discuss meego | 02:26 |
| javispedro | TMO is a place to discuss BS. Therefore, it is fully able to house discussions about Harmattan. PERIOD. | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what? and maemo council is responsible for meego now? | 02:27 |
| javispedro | I don't think that harmattan discussions on TMO will either increase or decrease the SNR. Not when they're already there fwiw. | 02:27 |
| DrGrov | Well now boys, take it easy :) | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | this notion of texrat that "maemo council should guide the maemo community into a bright meego/whatever future" - HARRHARR | 02:29 |
| ieatlint | this sounds like an argument that needs to be solved by knives or copious amounts of alcohol | 02:29 |
| javispedro | ... right after crashing the tizen conference ... | 02:29 |
| javispedro | ;P | 02:29 |
| ieatlint | haha | 02:29 |
| ieatlint | i'm going to that :P | 02:29 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Would you mind giving me op status for a minute or even two? | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | what for? | 02:30 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: I was hoping to be evil... But you already saw what I was aiming for ;-) | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you wanna kick me for trolling, I'm already sold to the idea | 02:30 |
| DrGrov | Daaaaamn you DocScrutinizer | 02:31 |
| DrGrov | No no no, not you. Someone else | 02:31 |
| DrGrov | So, you wouldn't mind me getting op status for a minute? | 02:32 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Nah, sorry about that. I am too worked up. Can not even sleep anymore goddamnit | 02:33 |
| javispedro | /kickall | 02:33 |
| javispedro | I think it's the best time to read an article titled "Google Isn't So Bad After All" | 02:34 |
| ieatlint | to quote a friend of mine (and ex-googler), google has shown us how a company can not be evil, but still be a huge dick | 02:35 |
| DrGrov | WTF? Google is not so bad after all? | 02:35 |
| javispedro | http://pandodaily.com/2012/03/24/why-dont-be-evil-is-evil-and-why-google-isnt-so-bad/ | 02:35 |
| DrGrov | Disregard my future comments, I am way too tired but can not sleep | 02:36 |
| DrGrov | Have the trip in less than 5h30min but nah, sleep is not coming | 02:36 |
| DrGrov | F*******ck | 02:36 |
| javispedro | "disregard my future comments" is pretty much usual for IRC =9 | 02:36 |
| DrGrov | javispedro: Thanks for the link, I might click it if I find a bit of sleepy reading in that article :) | 02:36 |
| javispedro | tl;dr | 02:37 |
| DrGrov | Well, yes... Yes, regard not my future comments but my current ones | 02:37 |
| DrGrov | Huh? tl;dr? What is this modern slang? | 02:37 |
| DrGrov | I must be getting old... | 02:37 |
| javispedro | modern? | 02:37 |
| javispedro | it is probably older than me | 02:37 |
| DrGrov | Well, thanks for the talking. I gotta go and try to get some sleep at least. | 02:43 |
| javispedro | I should design some flags for the upcoming maemo.org civil war =) | 02:44 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | I need some help. I have an app that needs to create a file, so I used /home/user/.Appname as the directory only for the files thet get altered, rest is in /opt/Appname but i get a permission error | 03:04 |
| javispedro | when do you get the error? | 03:04 |
| MFaro-Tusino | it executes a script under user so i am not sure why the issue | 03:04 |
| MFaro-Tusino | when i run the app | 03:05 |
| MFaro-Tusino | install is fine | 03:05 |
| javispedro | but can you check exactly which operation you are getting an error with? | 03:05 |
| javispedro | if you are testing this on device, on the developer mode configuration applet, you can install the "Tracing" tools | 03:05 |
| javispedro | it contains one called strace which will be of help here. | 03:05 |
| MFaro-Tusino | yeah, it is writing to the home/user/.appname folder | 03:05 |
| javispedro | what happens if you run stat /home/user/.appname | 03:06 |
| MFaro-Tusino | access is 755 | 03:07 |
| javispedro | and uid and gid? | 03:07 |
| javispedro | right on the same line | 03:07 |
| javispedro | should be user/users | 03:07 |
| MFaro-Tusino | uid is 29999/user did is 29999/users | 03:07 |
| javispedro | the file you are trying to modify already exists? | 03:08 |
| javispedro | (modify or create) | 03:09 |
| MFaro-Tusino | no, one yes, one no | 03:09 |
| MFaro-Tusino | so one file just gets modified, the other needs to be created | 03:09 |
| javispedro | and which one fails? =) | 03:11 |
| MFaro-Tusino | let me check :) | 03:11 |
| javispedro | and btw are you running this from qt creator? | 03:11 |
| MFaro-Tusino | no, it is a python scripted app | 03:12 |
| javispedro | does it run from a cron script, a init.d script, or .. ? | 03:12 |
| MFaro-Tusino | it is launched from a shell script when the desktop icon is clicked | 03:12 |
| javispedro | aha | 03:12 |
| MFaro-Tusino | it is an error updating the file | 03:14 |
| javispedro | creating one works? | 03:14 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | no, on a second inspection, they both fail, based on the xterm output | 03:17 |
| MFaro-Tusino | again, permission issue | 03:17 |
| MFaro-Tusino | if i manually place the files in the respective folders (no deb package install) everything works fine | 03:18 |
| MFaro-Tusino | is there a way to retain user permission even through pkgmgr? | 03:18 |
| javispedro | what do you mean, if you manually copy the package files but still use the script to run them? | 03:18 |
| javispedro | I mean | 03:19 |
| javispedro | you install the script by cp-ing and then run it and it creates the files fine? | 03:19 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Exactly | 03:20 |
| MFaro-Tusino | that is how i did it before i packaged the app | 03:20 |
| javispedro | so it is aegis then | 03:20 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Stupid aegis | 03:20 |
| javispedro | are you running openmode or have ever done anything related to aegis? | 03:20 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Currently in open mode, as well as have opensh | 03:21 |
| javispedro | an easy way out, if you are doing your own manifest, is to add UID::user to whatever script is the one failing | 03:24 |
| javispedro | I ponder. | 03:25 |
| MFaro-Tusino | It is a shell script that invokes a python script, the shell has a bother script as well, so should i add the UID for both python and script | 03:25 |
| javispedro | how do you call the python script? | 03:25 |
| javispedro | ./stuff.py? or python stuff.py? | 03:25 |
| MFaro-Tusino | python stuff.py | 03:26 |
| MFaro-Tusino | I have to go to uni, but thank you very much for the help, will most likely be back on irc later | 03:29 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | :/ | 05:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just noticed that there's ads at the bottom of app entries in meecatalog | 05:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | has anyone else seen that? | 05:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | https://crypty.ch/p/qkyk824t#60738190f1aafb6f4f7d5723390c9789 yep, looks like it went in with 1.1.0 | 05:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | forget that | 05:03 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://apps.formeego.com/history/n9/pr1.0/harmattan/mieru/ | 05:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | this is peculiar | 05:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | looks like appsformeego bugged out again | 05:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 2.2.29 has 6 approvals and should have been promoted | 05:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/revisions?package=mieru&project=MeeGo%3A1.2%3AHarmattan%3AApps | 05:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | looks like the same thing happened that occurred with ad-hac | 05:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that is, the new version got promoted, then the old version was promoted over it and clobbered it | 05:37 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Arie: yup, you're in | 06:05 |
| Arie | ok | 06:05 |
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| Arie | jussi are you the jussi kosonen of fmobi? | 06:12 |
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| PaulePanter | In Erlangen (Germany) in an O2/Nokia shop I was told I could buy a N9 for 420 €. | 10:43 |
| PaulePanter | Did Nokia change its strategy? | 10:43 |
| Jare | strategy? | 10:44 |
| PaulePanter | distribution strategy | 10:44 |
| SpeedEvil | odd | 10:45 |
| PaulePanter | To not compete with the Lumia/Windows phones I heard they do not sell the N9 in several Western countries like the USA or Germany. | 10:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Maybe they meant a lumia 900 | 10:45 |
| PaulePanter | I definitely said N9. | 10:45 |
| PaulePanter | I did not question the selllers answer though. I should have. | 10:46 |
| PaulePanter | He just looked on his computer screen to find out the price. | 10:46 |
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| x29a | PaulePanter: 64gb version? | 10:48 |
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| PaulePanter | x29a: He asked me if I meant the 16 GB version and I said ok. | 10:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nokia-Bluetooth-Surround-Portable-Speaker/dp/B005LBCFHE/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1324386236&sr=1-1 - I'd hoped these'd come down a bit. | 10:52 |
| SpeedEvil | But closing on 300e for stereo speakers... | 10:52 |
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| djszapi | Hey! Has anybody used emperorlinux here ? | 11:05 |
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| arcean | ~aegis-no-thanks | 12:39 |
| infobot | [aegis-no-thanks] http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ | 12:39 |
| Tronic | ~inception | 12:39 |
| infobot | <a href="http://inception.davepedu.com/">BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH</a> | 12:39 |
| Tronic | itsnotabigtruck: y bot no has inception? | 12:40 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: I think you should update that aegis-no-thanks factoid to the pr1.2 page | 14:20 |
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| djszapi | pawky|2: ping old man... :) | 14:54 |
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| RST38h | AH! TEH DRAMAH! | 15:17 |
| RST38h | "Google's Page: Dying Jobs called ME, I didn't call him: | 15:17 |
| djszapi | 98/wc | 15:22 |
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| gabriel9|work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Q_qscdL-qwI#! | 15:29 |
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| djszapi | anybody having Mac here ? | 16:01 |
| RST38h | "having" in what way? | 16:03 |
| RST38h | does watching apple.com online store count? =) | 16:03 |
| djszapi | that is double point. | 16:03 |
| lizardo | hmm, I like their sandwiches <:o) | 16:04 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Tronic: hm, i wonder if that was set before or after inception came out | 16:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: I think you could lrn2ibot | 16:44 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: I always appreciate docs ;) | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~aegis-no-thanks is also http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/1.2/openmode-kernel/ | 17:11 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay | 17:11 |
| merlin1991 | ~docs | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't know what you are talking about | 17:13 |
| infobot | Asterisk documentation is available at http://wiki.asterisk.org (Official Asterisk Documentation Wiki), the Voip-Info wiki at http://voip-info.org (~voip-info) or Asterisk: The Future of Telephony (~book) | 17:13 |
| merlin1991 | bah | 17:13 |
| merlin1991 | ~infobotdocs | 17:14 |
| merlin1991 | bah² | 17:14 |
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| tehdely | got my play 360º :) | 17:20 |
| tehdely | it's bad-ass | 17:20 |
| kozzi | tap 2 play rocks | 17:21 |
| tehdely | it's srsly handy. i like to listen to music on my commute on headphones | 17:23 |
| tehdely | i can come home, tap the speaker, and it switches from headphones to speaker | 17:23 |
| tehdely | perfection | 17:23 |
| tehdely | i think this is the first actual, non-gimmicky use for NFC | 17:23 |
| tehdely | everything else i've seen is like "TAP THIS AD TO RECEIVE AN AD" | 17:23 |
| tehdely | kinda like QR codes, it's a solution looking for a problem | 17:23 |
| tehdely | i've never, once, seen sombody scan a QR code | 17:24 |
| kozzi | http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/entertainment/home-audio/nokia-wireless-music-receiver | 17:24 |
| kozzi | seriously considering getting this one | 17:24 |
| tehdely | nice | 17:24 |
| kozzi | get home, tap on the receiver, music continues | 17:25 |
| tehdely | i got a 55 hour trip on Amtrak on saturday | 17:25 |
| tehdely | gonna take the play 360 with me | 17:25 |
| tehdely | keep it in my sleeper | 17:25 |
| tehdely | listen to music while i read | 17:25 |
| kozzi | and put others listen to justin bieber | 17:26 |
| kozzi | for 55 hours | 17:26 |
| tehdely | ha | 17:26 |
| tehdely | i'll play strictly 2pac | 17:26 |
| tehdely | that should shake everyone up | 17:27 |
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| mankeli | hello people | 17:32 |
| mankeli | is anyone using sshfs with pr1.2 on n9? :-) | 17:33 |
| mankeli | since the sshfs package in rzr's repo depends on fuse-utils package, of which there is no version to install with 2.8.6maemo5+0m7 | 17:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ~inception is how you own your phone (see #inception): https://endno.de/~itsnotabigtruck/inception/ | 17:40 |
| infobot | ...but inception is already something else... | 17:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ~inception is also how you own your phone (see #inception): https://endno.de/~itsnotabigtruck/inception/ | 17:41 |
| infobot | itsnotabigtruck: okay | 17:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ~inception | 17:41 |
| infobot | <a href="http://inception.davepedu.com/">BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH</a>, or how you own your phone (see #inception): https://endno.de/~itsnotabigtruck/inception/ | 17:41 |
| mankeli | yes, we all have to go deeper sometimes. | 17:42 |
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| djszapi | faenil: qmake is a real crap | 17:45 |
| faenil | djszapi, xD | 17:46 |
| djszapi | really really crap | 17:46 |
| djszapi | I wasted more time with it this week than with any other build system | 17:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: eh? | 17:50 |
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| pawky|2 | djszapi: ping young man... | 17:54 |
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| javispedro | moo | 18:26 |
| Arie | no one is active, though it seems you are here | 18:27 |
| RST38h | Arie: Everybody ignoring you. You are insignificant. Your life has no meaning. | 18:31 |
| Arie | haha | 18:31 |
| Arie | I am winning at this game of life then | 18:31 |
| RST38h | Wait until your scooter reaches the edge of the playing field though... | 18:31 |
| Arie | i thought that #harmattan would be more active | 18:32 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | it's kinda dead during the day and evening euro-time | 18:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's really dead during the night euro-time, i.e. most of the day us-time | 18:32 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | btw don't forget that there's an #inception for inception-specific stuff, you all need to get in there | 18:35 |
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| kozzi | it's kinda dead...all time | 18:43 |
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| javispedro | funny eh? | 19:02 |
| javispedro | :( | 19:02 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: still there? | 19:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it probably wants fuse-utils from http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan/free/f/fuse/ | 19:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also you'll need inception to be able to actually mount anything | 19:53 |
| petteri | hmmm that dev repository is nice. There wget and bash for me | 20:02 |
| petteri | there is | 20:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | petteri: wget is already in the regular repo | 20:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | bash, be careful with that | 20:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you install bash you should incept it | 20:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that way you can use it as a shell in all situations | 20:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, a reminder, don't add that repo to your sources.list on pr1.2+ | 20:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it breaks aegis-install | 20:04 |
| petteri | just installing wget now, thanks! | 20:04 |
| petteri | i will just put the bash to ~/bin/ and lauch from there when I need | 20:04 |
| jonni | wget is in normal nokia repoes, you dont need to abuse dev repo | 20:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | "abuse" is an abuse of words in this case :p | 20:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but yeah, in the case of wget there's no need | 20:05 |
| auenf | yay, PR1.2 finally | 20:06 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | auenf: you know, you could have flashed PR1.2 a month and a half ago | 20:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and if you upgrade to the version of PR1.2 that just popped up, you'll have to wait all over again for PR1.3 | 20:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which is closing in quick | 20:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so it's advisable to flash 001 instead of the australian country variant firmware (or whatever it is) | 20:08 |
| jonni | australia is 005 | 20:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jonni: a lot of australians have country variant firmware that isn't 005 | 20:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and they've been neglecting to update country variants for months after release | 20:09 |
| jonni | well counry variant is 005, some operator variants isnt | 20:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | same with switzerland, denmark, sweden, a few others | 20:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nah, 00x = not a country variant | 20:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not sure what the generic firmware is officially called, but country variants have "Country Variant" in the pc name | 20:10 |
| jonni | well they are operator variants then, 001 and 005 are region variants, 001 for europe, 003 for china and 005 for australia. | 20:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm not 100% sure but i'm fairly certain that a number of countries have local firmware variants that have nothing to do with carriers | 20:11 |
| jonni | but yes, if you flash 001/003/005 you dont have to wait for your operator variant to appear | 20:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and it's not an N9 only thing | 20:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | my E71 shipped with some strange country variant US product code, for example, that came with some java games bundled in | 20:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which they repeatedly neglected to update | 20:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | as opposed to the generic product code | 20:12 |
| jonni | personally I just always use 001 as its easiest | 20:13 |
| auenf | 299 is australia country variant | 20:13 |
| auenf | 005 is generic aus | 20:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | auenf: anyway, just flash 001 | 20:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or 005 is ok too | 20:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | afaik they're more or less identical | 20:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | has anyone documented any differences between any of the non-carrier-branded ones besides 003 (china)? | 20:14 |
| auenf | on device backup doesnt backup 'messages' right? | 20:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not sure | 20:14 |
| auenf | hmm, 300mb is going to take long enough to download | 20:15 |
| auenf | adsl1 ftw | 20:15 |
| jonni | forums has commandline tool to backup/restore sms messages | 20:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | auenf: did you read any of the stuff i was just saying :/ | 20:16 |
| auenf | i read it | 20:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also it looks like argentina, australia, croatia, denmark, portugal, sweden, switzerland, turkey, vietnam | 20:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | all have country variants | 20:17 |
| Velmont | Not Norway? We have norwegian keyboard, -- and a stupid telenor-logo that runs when I start the phone. | 20:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | UAE too | 20:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Velmont: you have a carrier branded one | 20:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the ones i listed are neither generic not carrier branded | 20:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | they're firmware versions that have no good reason to exist, that nokia routinely just forgets about | 20:19 |
| auenf | .backups/Backup2/messaging.zip | 20:19 |
| auenf | that doesnt have messages in it ;) | 20:19 |
| auenf | just mms | 20:19 |
| Velmont | Luckily noone has ever literally branded phones in Norway with operators. -- This is the first time I see it branded with a software video on startup. -- Should be able to remove it though, but I don't really start the phone that often anyway ;] | 20:19 |
| auenf | surely that is a bug? | 20:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hmmmm, i wonder how one changes the startup vid | 20:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, Velmont: what firmware version are you on | 20:21 |
| Velmont | what is it on other phones? -- On mine, there's the nokia drop, -- then the telenor thingy, then it has started. | 20:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if PR1.2 you have to wait until PR1.3 | 20:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if PR1.1 you can debrand it to PR1.2 now | 20:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no matter what you do, don't update your phone once PR1.3 comes out | 20:22 |
| Velmont | I have PR1.2 :-) Always quick on the update button -- but I can wait next time :] | 20:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you upgrade to a branded/country variant PR1.3 | 20:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | without hackery you won't be able to debrand it ever | 20:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, ok, then when PR1.3 arrives, wait for the 001 firmware image to come out and flash that | 20:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then you'll be set | 20:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and if you feel like going to the telenor version you can upgrade to that when they release it, but then you can't go back | 20:23 |
| Velmont | cool, i'll do that | 20:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | however setting a custom boot animationb would be cool | 20:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | before the N9 launched someone made a really snazzy one | 20:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rttooBc1uk | 20:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ah, it's /usr/share/MProgressIndicator/themes/opengl/MainAnimation_LowNoise.mp4 | 20:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Velmont: could you confirm that on your phone that's the telenor thing? | 20:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n5Sna7LyDQ so awesome | 20:26 |
| rigo | Elleo: ping about the identi.ca client :) | 20:26 |
| * DocScrutinizer yawns and looks at his geeky "DONT PANIC!" bootvid on N900 | 20:27 | |
| * DocScrutinizer burps, sounds like "frrckaegs" | 20:28 | |
| Velmont | Hmmm. How can I easily check? No mplayer on the phone :P | 20:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Velmont: well, you could scp it i guess | 20:29 |
| Velmont | good idea | 20:30 |
| franz` | anyone might know why upstart is ignoring a single file? | 20:31 |
| franz` | on reboot I see 2225 root {load-launcher.s} /bin/sh /etc/init/xsession/load-launcher.sh 0 1 apps avahi-daemon scrobbler | 20:32 |
| franz` | except scrobbler isn't running | 20:32 |
| franz` | "start apps/scrobbler" as root works fine though | 20:32 |
| franz` | (in b4 jeering at avahi) | 20:32 |
| Elleo | rigo: pong? | 20:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | franz`: is your .conf file proper? | 20:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | maybe it's not set to run on boot | 20:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw is there anything special one has to do in order to put an initscript out of /etc/init/apps? | 20:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | how is sequencing done | 20:33 |
| franz` | I think so | 20:34 |
| franz` | http://pastebin.com/Ug7j9Ucz it's this | 20:34 |
| franz` | wait hmm | 20:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | franz`: ...it doesn't have starton | 20:34 |
| franz` | no yeah that might be it | 20:34 |
| franz` | lol | 20:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no wonder it doesn't start lol | 20:34 |
| RST38h | "...We put ten cats in and got over a hundred back out. Either this thing multiplies them or it was saving them up until it got here..." | 20:40 |
| Velmont | itsnotabigtruck: Nope, that's what comes before the telenor video. | 20:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Velmont: ah | 20:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, poke around in that directory and see if there's any other mp4s or whatnot | 20:43 |
| Velmont | No other mp4s it seems :) | 20:44 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | weird | 20:45 |
| Velmont | http://dpaste.org/bOZ9f/ | 20:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Velmont: maybe try grep telenor /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list | 20:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and also grep mp4 /var/lib/dpkg/info/*xxx*.list where xxx is your 3 digit variant code | 20:47 |
| Anssi138 | 042 | 20:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Anssi138: hm? lol | 20:48 |
| Velmont | itsnotabigtruck: Nope and nope. -- Found pictures and stuff, but not the video. | 20:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | odd | 20:51 |
| Velmont | But what is normally showing when my phone is showing that logo? | 20:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Velmont: normally you get NOKIA (bootloader), then NOKIA again but with a grey rippling background (OS boot) | 20:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then a spinning indicator (gui boot) | 20:55 |
| Velmont | /usr/share $ cat /etc/mwelcome.d/320.conf | 20:55 |
| Velmont | [mwelcome] | 20:55 |
| Velmont | filename=Telenor_4sec_startup.mp4 | 20:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there you go | 20:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | should have said to grep -I | 20:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mwelcome.d eh | 20:56 |
| Velmont | Well, actually grep -i didn't show it either. I did grep -i as well. | 20:57 |
| Velmont | It's not in a package, trying to find where it lies. | 20:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hm, interesting | 20:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'd have expected it to be in one of the -320 packages | 20:58 |
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| Velmont | find / -name "Telenor_4sec_startup.mp4" 2> /dev/null -- doesn'tfind anything either! | 20:58 |
| kozzi | mmm xxx and mp4 | 20:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | now that's weird | 20:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol kozzi | 20:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Velmont: do grep 320.conf /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list | 20:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then cat the file that comes up | 20:59 |
| Velmont | itsnotabigtruck: Already donnit,-- nothing there except the conf file. And a few other needed things like copyright et al. | 21:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hrm | 21:01 |
| Velmont | http://dpaste.org/xHphs/ | 21:01 |
| Velmont | Don'tunderstand where they get that file from. And it has no path either. | 21:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well that's peculiar | 21:02 |
| Velmont | Maybe from within some initrd thingy? | 21:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but the N9 doesn't actually use an initrd | 21:03 |
| franz` | hmm, still not working | 21:10 |
| franz` | which is weird since the conf came like that from the deb | 21:11 |
| franz` | http://felipec.wordpress.com/2011/08/18/scrobbler-for-maemo-now-both-on-n900-and-n9/ | 21:11 |
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| rigo | Elleo: does pong mean post ready? | 21:23 |
| Elleo | rigo: heh, not yet | 21:24 |
| Elleo | well posting in general works, but its not quite ready to be released | 21:24 |
| rigo | Yay! | 21:24 |
| Elleo | still need to make replying to stuff work | 21:24 |
| Elleo | and make it so that pressing statuses in the events feed brings you to the app reply screen | 21:25 |
| rigo | Elleo: status.net as implemented in HTML on identi.ca puts replies next to posts, like in the SMS message window | 21:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Elleo: is it integrated like the twitter client is? | 21:25 |
| rigo | you could use that, if it is a library | 21:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, make sure to use the proper fonts and design style | 21:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's a LOT of apps shipped with fonts other than the system font | 21:26 |
| Elleo | itsnotabigtruck: yeah, it integrates with the events feed just like the twitter app does | 21:26 |
| rigo | since twitter forces the URI shortener on everyone, I try to escape to identi.ca | 21:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nice | 21:26 |
| Elleo | and I'm making the in-app timeline look pretty similar to the events feed | 21:27 |
| rigo | Elleo: I promise a donation if it is ready | 21:27 |
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| Elleo | heh, no need for donations; I'm just happy if people enjoy it | 21:27 |
| Elleo | I'm on holiday for the next few days so I should be able to get a fair amount finished | 21:27 |
| rigo | sorry, but merits are merits | 21:27 |
| rigo | and unless you're in Timbouktou, wire transfer should do | 21:28 |
| Elleo | well that's very generous of you | 21:28 |
| rigo | no, it is entirely selfish :) | 21:29 |
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| rigo | see http://d-cent.org/fsw2011/ | 21:34 |
| rigo | we'll organize another one once I get some funding rolling | 21:34 |
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| Velmont | fsw <3 | 21:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ugh, why does it seem like all such things are in the EU | 21:36 |
| Elleo | looks interesting | 21:37 |
| Velmont | itsnotabigtruck: Well lots of really nice techy stuff in US. -- But much of the more political/philosophical motivated stuff seems to reside in Europe. | 21:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw does anyone know what devicelockd checks when it causes a MALF | 21:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | this came up a while back but no one ever came up with a straight answer | 21:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or, in fact, in general, the 'Security problem (bin1): bin2' MALFs | 21:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | under normal circumstances an integrity failure just prevents loading/running something so i'm curious what triggers those sort of MALF errors | 21:48 |
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| kuenx | Hello. I have recently flashed my N9 with a fresh PR1.2 and then restored a backup. I have enabled developer mode and I want to be able to SSH to my phone over WLAN. But I just don't get it to work. Any ideas what I might be doing wrong? | 23:00 |
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| Anssi138 | kuenx: have you tried to create connection with qt creator. | 23:04 |
| franz` | you don't need that, just open the SDK Connection Tool developer mode installed, then ssh developer@phone'sip with the password it gives | 23:05 |
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| rigo | itsnotabigtruck, you get lots of funds for big data analysis research in the US, and some privacy research funding in the EU, so this one was financed by the primelife.eu project | 23:25 |
| rigo | kuenx, I had the same issue after upgrade. re-installing packages fixed it, but trouble is, I do not remember which | 23:26 |
| rigo | look into the archives for a discussion between itsnotabigtruck and me. He and djszapi helped me to fix this | 23:29 |
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| kuenx | Anssi138, franz`: I have tried that. I doesn't work either. connection refused. And Qt Creator can't deploy the SSH keys when setting up the device | 23:49 |
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| kuenx | rigo: do you think it has something to do with restoring the backup I did with the backup? I made the backup in PR1.1, then flashed it with PR1.2 and then restored the backup | 23:51 |
| kuenx | Should I try flashing it again and check if it works? | 23:52 |
| kuenx | rigo: I will check the archives | 23:53 |
| rigo | I don't think so | 23:53 |
| rigo | I rather think it is the PR 1.2 update that overrides some files and if you reinstall the open-ssh packages, it works again | 23:54 |
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| Anssi138 | kuenx: is the ssh server running on device? | 23:56 |
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| kuenx | Anssi138: hah! no | 23:58 |
| kuenx | Anssi138: How stupid of me not to check this | 23:58 |
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| kuenx | Can i start it like on debian? | 23:59 |
| kuenx | init.d? | 23:59 |
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