IRC log of #harmattan for Wednesday, 2012-04-04

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itsnotabigtruckM4rtinK: what was the problem01:40
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itsnotabigtruckJames_Blond: obviously but he said something about requests being deleted or something01:40
M4rtinKitsnotabigtruck: well not really a problem01:47
M4rtinKjust hat to package it properly so that it got all the credentials it needed01:47
M4rtinKtook quite some time :)01:47
M4rtinKI'll have to document it on the wiki once I have some free time01:48
itsnotabigtruckM4rtinK: ah01:51
itsnotabigtruckwhat was incorrect about the package?01:51
itsnotabigtruckif the manifest wasn't actually included that would kinda explain the problem :p01:51
M4rtinKnothing incorrect01:53
M4rtinKI first looked how AGTL and company does it01:53
M4rtinKfound that weird behaviour I described before01:54
M4rtinKand then finally build a modRana package that works fine :)01:54
M4rtinKBTW, I now have a set of scripts that pulls updates from github, builds source packages for Fremantle and Harmattan and uploads them to OBS01:55
M4rtinKautomatically :)01:55
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itsnotabigtruckM4rtinK: well, it sounds like it wasn't 'packaged properly' before03:05
itsnotabigtruckit's just that this seems weird03:05
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Enforcer <-- 900 doesnt say nokia on the back :/04:32
SpeedEvilyou mean you've got a fake?04:34
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itsnotabigtruckSpeedEvil: lol?05:15
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itsnotabigtrucktype in a whole bunch of nonsense and hit alt 3 times05:43
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ciaconI found a minor bug regarding Skype + Callendar. Skype contact is providing a birthday date. Though the birthday is on the 12th and editing the profile does show this correctly (though I can't alter the skype birthday), it is entered into my calendar on the 11th and can't be edited either... an oddity...09:34
ciaconwhich brings me to the question, is there a bugtracker and if so, where?09:35
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jonnithere is no bugzilla avail anymore.09:37
phakociacon: bah. Timezones suck09:39
ciaconphako: had not actually considered time zones, though I'd be surprised if that contact were in a different TZ... interestingly enough I noticed this phenomena, as another of my contacts has birthday on the 11th, and that date is displayed correctly throughout the UI09:41
jonniatleast there is no bug open for that, so my guess would be timezone too09:42
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phakogetting the whole time-zone/birthday handling right was rather difficult. And apparently we missed something :-/10:05
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ciaconprogramming with time is an art. especially if you want to do it right :D10:16
SpeedEvilIt's prone to epoch fail.10:17
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diorahmanJust helping my friend, would you mine trying this app: ?12:03
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diorahmanPlease, please, try this app: :-) give us some feedback :-)13:03
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petteriwhat app is that13:22
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diorahmanpetteri: An Unofficial TEDTalks Client for N913:34
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djszapiHey! Any qmake master thingie in here ?14:13
macmaNwhere can i get telnet or nc or socat for harmattan14:21
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MFaro-TusinoCan someone help with app packaging?14:31
petteriqtsdk will do it for you14:31
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MFaro-TusinoMy app doesn't use qt14:32
MFaro-Tusinoit is a python script14:32
MFaro-TusinoI just need the deb to extract the files to given folders14:33
MFaro-Tusinoi have a tar.bz2 with a DEBIAN folder and the directories the app is to be installed to14:34
MFaro-TusinoI can package the app, install, but install doesn't run correctly, so i concluded the packaging is failing somewhere14:34
DocScrutinizer(birthday) dang, we've seen this in the felt 25th iteration now14:35
petteriMFaro-Tusino: you could make a simple app with qtsdk and compare the debian packaging14:35
MFaro-TusinoI know the file structure, used a empty app and package it to get the layout of debian folder and files in it etc14:36
djszapiMFaro-Tusino: what is the problem with install ?14:36
MFaro-Tusinoone sec, i will get the exact output14:37
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jaywinkMFaro-Tusino, check out pyside-assistant: MFaro-Tusino14:40
MFaro-Tusinoi will thanks14:41
MFaro-TusinoThe things is, the issues i have with the current package i made, i have fixed, but can't seem to create a package with it :/14:41
lizardoMFaro-Tusino: if you are trying to install the package with the Application Manager UI (instead of dpkg -i) , you need to have "Maemo-Flags: visible" on DEBIAN/control otherwise it will reject the package14:42
MFaro-TusinoNo, i have been using dpkg -i14:44
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matrixxMFaro-Tusino: you can check out CDBS: to do easy packages which just drops files in their folders14:46
matrixxThere's some explanation here:
matrixxthe code piece in debian/rules is just two lines with CDBS14:47
matrixxvery handy for harmattan theme packages :)14:47
MFaro-TusinoI was looking at that14:49
MFaro-Tusinotried to use the obs stuff, but scratch box failed for me so gave up on that method14:49
matrixxdoesn't need OBS14:50
matrixxworks also with dpkg-buildpackage14:50
matrixxonly minus side is you have to add cdbs dependency to your package build dependencies14:50
MFaro-TusinoLooking into cdbs now14:52
MFaro-Tusinothanks for the tip14:52
matrixxI hope it works for you :)14:53
djszapiouch, cdbs...14:58
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matrixxdjszapi: what's wrong with cdbs?15:00
djszapimatrixx: no control over what you do, and the boilerplate is not maintained sufficiently anymore.15:01
matrixxdjszapi: I don't use it otherwise, only for packages which need to install some files, not build anything15:02
MFaro-Tusinoright now, anything that can compile my app works for me hahha15:02
matrixxI think installing files is fairly trivial without active maintenance15:02
matrixxso works in my case15:02
MFaro-TusinoMatrixx: Can you help me with the .dsc file15:04
MFaro-Tusinoeg, structure etc15:04
matrixxI think that should be generated with buildpackage15:04
matrixxbut, I've created one from the scratch too and I can help15:05
djszapimatrixx: yes, it works for installation, but I would like to stick with two different technologies, if dh also works for that case.15:06
djszapiwould not*15:06
matrixxMFaro-Tusino: you can check out this as a template:
matrixxonly replace with your data15:06
matrixxthe other hash in the Files section is md515:07
matrixxand the numbers between hash and tarball name are file sizes15:08
matrixxdjszapi: one day you can show me how to do the same with dh :)15:09
djszapimatrixx: sorry, but I am out of Harmattan and debian packaging. :)15:10
djszapiAlthough, we got our first two KDE Apps working on Android, yay \o/15:10
matrixxdjszapi: oh, good for you ;)15:10
MFaro-Tusinoevery time i run make make sums i gt an error so i don't have checksums :/15:12
matrixxluckily there's plenty of tools to create them15:16
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MFaro-Tusino@Matrixx: Can I send you my source code and you tell me what needs to be fixed?15:29
matrixxMFaro-Tusino: I can check it out later if you haven't figured it out, now I'm just about to go have dinner15:29
MFaro-Tusinothats okay, enjoy your meal15:30
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auenfwelp, a telstra bigpond branded n9 got the PR1.2 OTA update before my 'country variant' version :/15:48
matrixxMFaro-Tusino: back15:49
matrixxMFaro-Tusino: I can take a look now if not yet sorted out15:49
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MFaro-TusinoOkay, well I installed the old package, and just edited a few things manually16:03
MFaro-TusinoIt seems to work, but obviously, and end user won't edit the files16:03
MFaro-TusinoI can email you the source?16:03
matrixxMFaro-Tusino: sure, priv16:05
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strankI'm trying to find out why msyncd fails synching my caldav/owncloud calendars. syslog shows a crash because "msyncd invoked oom-killer" - does someone know a way of getting more debug info or, alternatively, of temporarily increasing the memory limits for the oom-killer?16:37
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niqtI updated the qtsdk, now on n950  don't appears icon of development software, is a bug?16:47
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auenf"I have a problem with this "swipe" thing. I keep trying to do it on my Android device now :-("17:21
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GeneralAntillesauenf, I try to swipe everywhere.17:38
GeneralAntillesiOS feels so inelegant without it.17:39
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tehdelyi keep swiping on my iPad17:46
tehdelyand wondering why it does nothing17:46
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KhertanHi all !17:48
Khertandoes qt-components package could be replace by one made myself ? as if i do it myself, aegis will block the process due to different source, isn't it ?17:50
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itsnotabigtruckanyone speculating yet on PR1.3 release date?18:00
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Khertanitsnotabigtruck: at least 1.3-meego version of qt-components are released :)18:06
Khertanso one package is ready :)18:06
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itsnotabigtruckKhertan: well, it's obviously close, the question though is when the whole thing is actually to be released18:26
itsnotabigtrucka lot of packages have had 1.3 branches for a while on gitorious18:27
Khertanpython -m 'import random;print '%s,%s,%s' % (random.randint(1,12), random.randint(1,31), random.randint(2012, 2018))'18:28
Khertanshould give you the answer18:28
Khertanwhy not after 2018 ? because Nazi strike back from the moon18:29
* Khertan want to see it !!!!!18:29
* Tronic already did.18:31
TronicGreat movie, even if not very, ummh-- politically correct :)18:32
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KhertanTronic: there is no place to see it near my home yet18:36
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TronicYou should contact your theater and ask for it. Apparently the cinemas are quite skeptical towards non-Hollywood movies :/18:39
Khertanspecially in france18:41
TronicYou can also DEMAND it here:
Khertanalready done :)18:41
Tronic... but contacting an independent cinema directly might work better :)18:41
Khertanyeah ... just need one ... Near home :)18:50
Khertanthere is so few independant theater in france18:50
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Khertanoh my god ... how developper can trust publish.ovi.com18:58
Khertani didn't have the same number of sales for an apps in summary and details view ...18:59
Khertanfor a same price, i got different revenue depending on country ?19:02
itsnotabigtruckKhertan: the pricing is based on 'tiers' that are different prices in different countries19:03
Khertanyeah it s 25% to 88%19:03
Khertana bit high19:03
Khertanwhoah i just understand ...19:07
Khertanyou set a price point for a app19:07
Khertanso it s not the same price for everyone19:07
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phakough. are those duicontrolpanel settings things generated from XML supposed to look like shit?20:27
itsnotabigtruckphako: the stock control panels don't look half bad, so i assume not20:28
phakothose aren't generated from XML20:29
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piggzhi..has anyone seen this problem before..when i start my app with the binary, it works ok, but when i start it with invoker, it cant find the main.qml because it seems QApplication::applicationFilePath returns /home/user instead of /opt/.../bin/22:01
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x29apiggz: have you set DESTDIR in your .pro file?22:17
x29aor target?22:17
piggzx29a: thx for getting back...just fixed it though22:17
piggzit was one of 2 things, modifying a qml file, perhaps making the cache rebuild...or, replacing the qmlapplicationviewer with one from a new clean application22:18
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itsnotabigtruckwow, like a month in, my usb lids finally arrived23:20
itsnotabigtruckbut i still can't figure out how to remove the old one23:20
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DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: Hi there, you got a question from me on #n9 :)23:23
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DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: Probably you are almost the only one talking at this hour :)23:23
DrGrovWell, I put the question here then as well23:25
DrGrovGotta wonder about roaming. I am travelling tomorrow to another country for one day and I am thinking that what might be the best way for me to avoid data roaming fees. Should I turn off internet connectivity completely or make sure I have disabled the roaming option?23:26
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javispedroit depends on the network23:26
javispedroin any case, not a network guy.23:27
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: tbh i don't know, and you already kinda got an answer23:27
DrGrovjavispedro: Ok. I just thought that disabling roaming option would be enough. Ah, there is the option to have background connections allowed. Well, I have that turned off and then I still turn off roaming.23:28
itsnotabigtrucki'd recommend deleting the data connection (apn)23:28
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: Well yes, I got an answer but it actually did not make any sense what so ever but no worries :)23:28
javispedroDrGrov: well, I know of at least one network that always shows up the roaming warning even when it is not roaming. not sure if a misdetection in the other direction is possible.23:28
DrGrovjavispedro: Ah, which network is this? That sounds strange I must say.23:29
itsnotabigtruckalso i don't understand why it's so dead right now23:29
itsnotabigtruckit's only 8pm zulu23:29
itsnotabigtruckthis should be like prime irc time23:29
javispedrothe party is on another channel23:29
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: Yeah, I am wondering too why the sudden silence over at #n923:30
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itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: #n9 is always quiet23:30
DrGrovWell, I will do a search for it to make sure I get it right. If not shit happens LOL23:30
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javispedroDrGrov: couldn't find english website, but this is the company
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: True, it is always like a ghost town23:30
itsnotabigtruckand like what? there aren't very many parties on freenode :p23:30
itsnotabigtrucktoo many stuffy people talking about stuffy subjects23:30
javispedroafaiu, the issue is because that operator is a
DrGrovjavispedro: Ah ok. A Spanish one then. Here in Finland I have heard the same thing with Elisa - Saunalahti since Saunalahti is a "guest" of Elisas network but still a daughter company but it can complain about roaming.23:31
DrGrovIf I turn off the internet connectivity in Settings on the N9, should that not be enough? I mean, it could not connect then to the internet yes?23:33
DrGrovOnly using WLAN23:33
javispedroyou can just put the apn icd on non-automatic connection23:34
DrGrovI have now the APN as a automatic connection but it does not use it unless it needs.23:34
DrGrovBut probably better yes that I put it to a non-automatic connection the APN I am using23:34
DrGrovWill it automatically switch it back to automatic connection when I use it when I get back home?23:35
javispedrobut you can do it on your own without dying of exhaustion =)23:35
DrGrovOk, thanks for clearing that up for me :)23:36
DrGrovI just wonder one last thing about this whole internet connectivity... If I turn it off and then turn it back on when I get home, will it still remember the APN and all the correct settings?23:36
DrGrovOr do I need to do them again from scratch?23:36
javispedroif you just do the disable auto-connection thing, yes, it will remember everything23:37
javispedro(because removing the apn will, of course, make it forget everything)23:38
DrGrovjavispedro: Ok, thanks. I will do that then and for the safe side disable roaming.23:38
DrGrovI mean just turning off the internet connectivity blue button in the Settings...23:38
javispedrowell, as you wish :)23:39
javispedroin any case, remember that the appereance of a 2 or 2.5G ... icon is not an indicative that you are connected to anything23:39
DrGrovIf I turn it off the blue internet connectivity button thingie, that will still make it remember everything yes?23:39
DrGrovYes, I know. It is only an indication of the network, when it is blueish and constantly blue then it transfers data23:40
DrGrovGood, I hate to delete the APN and restart. Good to know that disabling the internet connectivity blue button is enough. Hate to do that again from scratch23:40
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: who cares...23:47
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: Who cares about what?23:52
sahib_I like noodles, and care a great deal about them.23:54
javispedrowho cares about caring about noodles?23:54
kozzi_so much hate23:55
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: the APN thing, you seem to be going to great lengths not to delete the apn entry23:55
itsnotabigtruckwhen it's like 2 lines of information that can easily be reentered23:56
itsnotabigtruckit's just making a big deal out of nothing23:56
javispedrodepending on your provider, it could be up to 6!23:57
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: Well, why would I delete it? Because Nokia did it fucking impossible to enable a safe and sound way of disabling roaming and/or internet connectivity and the bloody fucker can still connect itself even if I specifically asked it not to?23:57
DrGrovYes, I should wash my mouth with soap.23:57
javispedroDrGrov: I am not still sure if the option is "not safe"23:57
javispedroI mean, as said, I know of errors in one direction, but that does not mean errors in the other direction exist23:58
DrGrovjavispedro: No problem, I will figure it out eventually23:58
DrGrovjavispedro: :)23:58
javispedrojust have the 10eur. ready =)23:58
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DrGrovYeah, I have it in the backpocket so I can shove it in if need :)23:58
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