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| itsnotabigtruck | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4drucg1A6Xk&feature=related | 01:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/01/apple_patent/ :) | 06:02 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | SpeedEvil: haha | 06:37 |
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| ieatlint | so i wasn't in here really sunday... how many claims were made that meego was being revived by nokia? | 08:46 |
| RST38h | ieatlint: ??? | 08:47 |
| RST38h | ieatlint: Did I miss something? | 08:48 |
| ieatlint | april 1st.. | 08:48 |
| RST38h | ah, that... | 08:48 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't think anyone really bothered. | 08:57 |
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| rigo | Hi folks, just looked into the store for some spreadsheet application and have none found | 09:47 |
| rigo | if someone wants to make money, I think taking some koffice or some open source thing and adapt to meego could be promising | 09:48 |
| SpeedEvil | With a parser to grab things that look like account numbers and passwords, and return them. :) | 09:50 |
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| jonni | heh found one n950 in garbage basket, it had really old firmware image from 2010, flashed it to newest image and it seems to work nicely :) | 10:51 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 10:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Where? | 10:53 |
| dm8tbr | jonni: black or silver? ;) | 10:58 |
| jonni | there were few N8's in the basket too, but I already have 2 of them so I left them there... It was silver. | 10:58 |
| dm8tbr | hehe :) | 10:58 |
| denism1 | jonni: :) http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Subcontractor+employee+steals+Nokia+handset+prototypes/1135256833569 | 11:07 |
| jonni | heh yes I read that news last year | 11:08 |
| pa | i wish i had an n8 in the garbage basket :) | 11:08 |
| dm8tbr | pa: go stand infront of a nokia office with a sign 'Looking for old used N8', people should be replacing with 808s right now ;) | 11:10 |
| pa | that | 11:10 |
| pa | s a good tip | 11:10 |
| pa | i could take my easter holidays to espoo ;) | 11:10 |
| pa | i wonder whether aegis let root set iptables rules | 11:14 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | pa: you need cap::net_admin for that | 11:18 |
| jonni | pa: if you have net_admin and sys_module capas then yes you can set iptables rules. | 11:18 |
| pa | and can normal mortals get such capabilities? | 11:18 |
| jonni | develsh gives you net_admin, but sys_module you wont get without exploiting. | 11:20 |
| pa | i see. thanks :) | 11:21 |
| rigo | SpeedEvil, too complicated, just make it a web front-end and store all the data on an .ru server | 11:22 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | and pa: just use opensh | 11:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and remember that it's not about being root, it's about capabilities | 11:58 |
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| Khertan | Morning | 12:24 |
| Khertan | A little question, what will drain less battery ? autossh or openvpn ? the purpose is to get email via a tunnel (due to a sucky phone isp) | 12:25 |
| pa | good question | 12:29 |
| pa | i suspect openvpn | 12:29 |
| pa | but im not sure | 12:29 |
| pa | at least it would be easier, you get a full tunnel | 12:29 |
| pa | or rather a vpn | 12:29 |
| pa | seamless, in a way | 12:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Depends what goes down the tunnel - and how it's kept up | 12:30 |
| pa | SpeedEvil, why? | 12:30 |
| faenil | anyone who knows OWL in here? :) | 12:30 |
| pa | from a tunnel point of view, it's the same | 12:30 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean packet distributions | 12:30 |
| Khertan | imap traffic will go throught the vpn | 12:30 |
| Khertan | so not so many traffic | 12:31 |
| SpeedEvil | a packet every 5 seconds is much worse than a hundred packets every minute | 12:31 |
| SpeedEvil | (in bursts) | 12:31 |
| pa | hm | 12:31 |
| pa | thats a good point | 12:31 |
| Khertan | will be thousand packets every 30minutes | 12:31 |
| pa | in that sense maybe ssh is better, coz you tunnel only imap | 12:31 |
| Khertan | yeah... but ... how to open / close automatically the tunnel ? | 12:32 |
| Khertan | at least autossh will keep it open :) | 12:32 |
| pa | yes | 12:32 |
| pa | leave it open | 12:32 |
| pa | i mean, if no traffic goes through the tunnel, no encription is made | 12:32 |
| Khertan | yeah ... but keep 3G connection open | 12:33 |
| Khertan | not better ? | 12:33 |
| Khertan | ? | 12:33 |
| pa | ah well.. | 12:33 |
| pa | but openvpn keeps it open as well, no? | 12:34 |
| pa | i dont know, never used autossh | 12:34 |
| deram | autossh just opens new ssh if the old one exits | 12:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Keeping the 3g connection open - with no traffic - is fairly cheap | 12:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Where no traffic = a packet every few mins to stop NAT timeouts | 12:35 |
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| Khertan | hum ... i ll try with autossh so :) | 12:38 |
| Khertan | now the pain will be to change route depending on the connection ;) as the server at home will be in the local network and will not have the same ip :) | 12:39 |
| Khertan | ifup / ifdown look like limited by aegis | 12:39 |
| deram | Khertan: configure your home network correctly, so you have the same IP everywhere | 12:40 |
| Khertan | haha .. | 12:40 |
| Khertan | i ve a dynamic isp at home | 12:41 |
| Khertan | and must use their router | 12:41 |
| Khertan | (for unlimited phone and tv) | 12:41 |
| deram | so you use dyndns for connecting it from internet? | 12:41 |
| deram | or something like... | 12:42 |
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| Khertan | and the problem is that using dyndns inside home isn't possible | 12:42 |
| Khertan | from outside i use dyndns | 12:43 |
| Khertan | from inside i use local ip, as dyndns inside route to external ip and while some router support it, the one loaned by my isp didn't | 12:43 |
| Khertan | on my netbook i just put an ifup / ifdown script that overwrite /etc/hosts to point the dyndns adress to the right ip when i'm on my home wifi :) | 12:45 |
| rigo | khertan, sometimes the dhcp config of the *-box things in france allow you to always get the same internal IP for a given Mac-address | 12:51 |
| Khertan | rigo, yeah of course, internally it s ok | 12:52 |
| Khertan | the problem is difference is in home wifi / 3G | 12:52 |
| Khertan | exemple.dyndns.org from 3G, and using 192.168.10.10 at home | 12:53 |
| Khertan | but without changing each time parameters on the n950 :) | 12:53 |
| Khertan | so ... my solution, always use exemple.dyndns.org, and when using wifi, a ifup script modify /etc/hosts with "exemple.dyndns.org 192.168.10.10" | 12:54 |
| Khertan | rigo: but it's doesn't work on n9 :) | 12:55 |
| rigo | which will kill the ovi store on the N9 as it needs the specific especially ugly Nokia DNS hack | 12:55 |
| Khertan | uh | 12:55 |
| Khertan | really ? | 12:55 |
| deram | you might be able to do something with own nameserver inside your home network, if you can change where the dhcp server is pointing the dns-server to be | 12:56 |
| rigo | yep, used the CCC DNS to avoid the usual filter tinkering 213.73.91.35 (dnscache.berlin.ccc.de) | 12:57 |
| rigo | and this broke ovi | 12:57 |
| deram | so you'd have own server that says exemple.dyndns.org == 192.168.10.10, and forwards everything else to the operators server | 12:57 |
| Khertan | ouch | 12:57 |
| rigo | deram, you would have to run your own dhcp server | 12:58 |
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| deram | rigo: depends on the router, but maybe that also | 12:58 |
| rigo | but my route (livebox) has all the necessary configs, so I just set hosts file which I do for spam stuff anyway | 12:59 |
| Khertan | rigo: same sucky box here :) | 13:00 |
| Khertan | if only i can modify is host file ... i could put directly the ip of exemple.dyndns.org to an internal ip | 13:01 |
| Khertan | s/is/his | 13:01 |
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| rigo | Khertan, but it has a special "use dyndns" button hte sucky box | 13:08 |
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| rigo | in config somewhere in the config on the web interface under the NAT address | 13:08 |
| rigo | http://192.... and then advanced config | 13:09 |
| Khertan | rigo: yeah ... it can update the dyndns information | 13:16 |
| Khertan | rigo: on dyndns server | 13:16 |
| Khertan | but nothing more | 13:16 |
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| rigo | Khertan, the dhcp of the livebox sends you nameserver 192.168.1.1 as a nameserver. If you edit /etc/resolv.conf and enter your own BIND server, then this should do the trick | 13:40 |
| rigo | mine reads actually: | 13:40 |
| rigo | nameserver 213.73.91.35 | 13:40 |
| rigo | nameserver 192.168.1.1 | 13:40 |
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| ArkanoiD_ | hmm, i wonder why stock camera app on n950 fails to focus on close objects.. "HDR camera" does it just fine. | 14:04 |
| ArkanoiD_ | "close" == 5-10cm | 14:05 |
| Tronic | ArkanoiD_: It is called macro mode. I am not entirely sure how the optics work but AFAIK focusing needs to be done differently in macro, compared to normal mode. | 14:08 |
| ArkanoiD_ | Tronic, yes, and i turned it on -- no effect | 14:09 |
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| Khertan | clean the optic :) | 14:10 |
| Khertan | it s help | 14:10 |
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| pa | ArkanoiD_, N9 has the same problem | 14:27 |
| pa | it's not just the n950 | 14:27 |
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| pa | i posted a couple of pictures on bugzilla when the bug was filed, it seems it has some front focus | 14:28 |
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| pa | https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1013 | 14:29 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug 1013 nor, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, NEED, Camera does not auto focus properly | 14:30 |
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| pa | i was wondering, would it be possible to create an app that depends on another app on the store? (and not only on packages on the repos) | 15:52 |
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| Khertan | Apr 2 15:10:18 (2012) bme: [tabby_get_battery_data_cmdline()] Fixed battery type: BL-4D Apr 2 15:10:18 (2012) bme: [tabby.c:tabby_get_battery_data_cmdline():761] Unknown battery type: 'BL-4D': Invalid argument (22) | 16:10 |
| Khertan | oups ! | 16:11 |
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| ZogG_N9 | sup | 16:12 |
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| jonni | pa: not possible | 17:00 |
| jonni | pa: on in theory you can make preinst/postinst script that fetches things from ovi store and installs then at the same time, but not with depends | 17:02 |
| pa | ah okay | 17:03 |
| pa | thanks | 17:03 |
| pa | i might come back at you about it then :) | 17:05 |
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| flux | I supppose there's no gst-launch GUI for n9 around? | 17:35 |
| flux | my use case would be streaming video from another n900 somewhat conveniently | 17:35 |
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| rigo | btw, what is the best irc client for the N9? | 17:36 |
| flux | I'm pretty sure most people use ssh into a server running a screen.. | 17:38 |
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| jonni | irssi | 17:56 |
| dm8tbr | and fingerterm for those don't owning a N950 ;) | 17:58 |
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| tehdely | i need to learn to use fingerterm | 18:05 |
| tehdely | i miss PuTTY on symbian | 18:05 |
| tehdely | that rocked | 18:05 |
| tehdely | the touch version was totally acceptable for attaching my irssi screen :) | 18:06 |
| tehdely | i even mapped the various swipe gestures to ctrl-n, ctrl-p, pg-up, pg-dn, etc. | 18:06 |
| tehdely | so i could flip around channels with ease | 18:06 |
| tehdely | that was on my C6-01 | 18:06 |
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| pa | do you know whether it is possible to send files with google talk for N9 (other than video calling and calling to landlines) | 19:46 |
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| tehdely | N9 crashed due to the heavy responsibility of having to play bluetooth audio and use the internet at the same time | 20:37 |
| tehdely | and on reboot | 20:37 |
| tehdely | all my saved passwords are gone | 20:37 |
| tehdely | *sigh* | 20:37 |
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| tehdely | wonder how those got hosed... yes i am running in open mode, but they've persisted across plenty of other reboots | 20:40 |
| rigo | do you know where it is stored? can you recover the file? Backup? | 20:43 |
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| tehdely | some experts here will know | 20:48 |
| tehdely | but i'm just going to reflash the phone | 20:48 |
| tehdely | and stop dicking with open mode | 20:48 |
| tehdely | There's Better Options | 20:48 |
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| tehdely | hmm | 20:58 |
| tehdely | interestingly, it only lost _some_ accounts | 20:58 |
| tehdely | let's see if it remembers 'em after a reboot | 20:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | use unstable underdevelopment software - blame devs =) | 20:59 |
| dm8tbr | tehdely: could be aegisfs corruption | 21:00 |
| dm8tbr | tehdely: not all account data is stored in aegisfs | 21:01 |
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| teleshoes | does anybody, anywhere, know how to get/set the system volume? | 21:04 |
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| teleshoes | i mean the media volume, the slider in the status bar | 21:06 |
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| pa | by the way, is it normal that N9 does not recharge if i plug it to a USB hub that is powered while not plugged to a pc? (the hub can properly turn on an external usb hard drive even if not connected to pc) | 21:31 |
| teleshoes | probably hub is stupid | 21:32 |
| pa | does it work for you? | 21:32 |
| teleshoes | yes | 21:32 |
| pa | i see | 21:32 |
| pa | thanks | 21:32 |
| teleshoes | np | 21:32 |
| teleshoes | could be hub designers dont properly implement usb power rules, etc | 21:33 |
| pa | i have a roccat apuri, coz i read it had a 2A psu | 21:34 |
| tehdely | nokia devices have always been very persnickety about what they will, and will not, charge off of | 21:34 |
| teleshoes | nokia devices generally go by usb specs | 21:34 |
| teleshoes | very anally | 21:34 |
| teleshoes | whereas most devices just do what the consumer expects, whatever that is | 21:34 |
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| teleshoes | and lots and lots of e.g. dc car chargers dont properly do things with D+/D- | 21:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | The anus is not a USB compliant connector. | 21:56 |
| teleshoes | heh | 21:56 |
| SpeedEvil | More seriously. | 21:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | A USB hub is in an inactive state when it has no hub. | 21:56 |
| teleshoes | not all | 21:57 |
| SpeedEvil | This is different from the state of a USB charger. | 21:57 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 21:57 |
| SpeedEvil | when it has no host | 21:57 |
| teleshoes | i totally have a hub that fakes it and charges devices | 21:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Most hubs will not power off the 5V line. | 21:59 |
| SpeedEvil | This will charge some devices. | 21:59 |
| SpeedEvil | But the hub does not comply to the 'charger' specs. | 22:00 |
| teleshoes | mm | 22:03 |
| SpeedEvil | I _think_ that the spec says that USB hubs in this state should normally indicate 'suspend' mode - which devices should not charge from. | 22:04 |
| SpeedEvil | It's been a while since I read it though, as it may indicate limited power. | 22:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hub complies to charger hub specs, if you're lucky | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia doesn't I'd guess | 22:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though I have to confess I never looked into charger hub specs | 22:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | all those specs from USBcert are a major PITA | 22:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and wait until you see the more exotic ones, regarding car audio etc | 22:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | thanks Motorola, for that annoyance | 22:25 |
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| ieatlint | teleshoes1, SpeedEvil: there's something called the "Battery Charging Specification" which a handful of usb hubs follow and nokia devices kinda follow | 23:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I know. | 23:02 |
| ieatlint | it's specifically designed to allow charging devices like that | 23:02 |
| teleshoes1 | oh cool | 23:02 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't think most hubs - deployed in the wild - do. | 23:02 |
| ieatlint | i've tested an n9 with it, and it pulls only 500mah | 23:02 |
| teleshoes1 | i wonder if my hub implements this or if its just a dick | 23:02 |
| ieatlint | which sucks... the spec says it could draw well over the 1A the wall charge gives | 23:03 |
| ieatlint | most likely the hub implements it | 23:03 |
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| teleshoes1 | i only get like 800mA from a wall charger | 23:15 |
| M4rtinK | X-Fade: looks like search in COBS is still broken | 23:19 |
| M4rtinK | but only using the upper right search box, the search page work fine | 23:20 |
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