IRC log of #harmattan for Saturday, 2012-03-31

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jpwhitingwow, interesting00:00
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itsnotabigtruckjpwhiting: so, get incepted! :p00:09
* jpwhiting may just do that00:09
itsnotabigtruckjpwhiting: i've done some other little apps but they aren't as interesting, though you might find ad-hac useful if you don't have that yet00:10
* jpwhiting doesn't have a sim card in his N9, so that might be less than useful :)00:10
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* jpwhiting is stuck on verizon at the moment00:10
jpwhitingjust use the N9 for development00:11
itsnotabigtruckaw, lame00:11
* jpwhiting is lame :)00:13
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TronicAny news on the overclocking side?00:27
itsnotabigtruckTronic: not that i'm aware of...the problem is that no one with the knowledge to do it is willing to make the module and distribute it00:31
itsnotabigtruckTronic: perhaps you could see to it, given that no one else is00:31
itsnotabigtruckit's definitely possible, rainisto mentioned on FMC he's already done it himself00:32
TronicI have no idea how to compile kernel modules for Harmattan, to start with.,00:34
itsnotabigtruckTronic: it's surprisingly easy00:35
TronicAlso no idea on how to do the frequency setting.00:35
TronicI suppose the "surprisingly easy" part involves setting up scratchbox. I only have Qt SDK.00:35
itsnotabigtrucki forget the command but you point make to the kernel tree and to your source00:35
itsnotabigtruckand kbuild takes care of the rest00:35
itsnotabigtruckyeah, you need scratchbox, and also the headers package for what you're building against00:36
itsnotabigtruckyou need to get scratchbox anyway00:36
itsnotabigtruckeveryone doing anything serious needs itsooner rather than later, and i don't understand why it has so little uptake within this channel00:36
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KhertanSomeone could explain me the diffrerence in Qml Qt Component TextArea what is the difference between StyledText and RichText01:33
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villagerKhertan: from what I can tell from a couple of searches, one of the differences is that StyledText isn't supported, maybe not implemented, and probably isn't supposed to work02:01
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itsnotabigtruckwhy is everyone suggesting everything /but/ the n9 -_-04:37
teleshoesheh yea04:37
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SpeedEvilFor me, if I had the cash, I'd be extremely reluctant to buy something with no warranty, that I would have problems insuring.04:38
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itsnotabigtruckSpeedEvil: but it's worth it! how likely is it that it'll fail in year 1 anyway04:43
SpeedEvilitsnotabigtruck: My n900 failed in year 1.504:44
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ieatlintno one is suggesting the new openmoko phone either04:51
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villageritsnotabigtruck: sounds to me like they're not suggesting the n9 because they already have it04:58
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itsnotabigtruckieatlint: the new openmoko phone, however, costs a *lot*05:07
itsnotabigtruckand i'm not under the impression it's very usable as a smartphone, really05:08
itsnotabigtruckuseful though if your priority #1 is knowing exactly what's on your phone, and hacking on stuff05:08
itsnotabigtruckon the other hand, these days the n9 costs significantly less than $600, and it's completely usable as a smartphone05:09
keitsin9 costs 299e in finland... though they're out of stock for now05:10
itsnotabigtruckalso dammit, didn't realize teleshoes would leave so soon05:10
ieatlintitsnotabigtruck: yeah... i wish i had the money to throw on it right now though05:12
itsnotabigtruckit might be cool to have a gsm850 openmoko g105:13
itsnotabigtruckit doesn't look like anybody stocks those these days and they're pretty rare in general05:13
itsnotabigtruckwell, g2 i guess, the freerunner05:13
ieatlinti have a gta0205:14
ieatlint850mhz in fact05:14
ieatlintbut 666eur for the gta04..05:15
itsnotabigtruck= just shy of $900 with today's exchange rates05:15
keitsiI paid 699 for my N9 :P05:15
itsnotabigtruckkeitsi: E or US$05:16
itsnotabigtruckthat's...way too much money for an N9 :p05:16
keitsiwell, I needed a new phone ASAP, didn't want an android or iPhone05:17
itsnotabigtrucki thought the N9 started around US$70005:17
itsnotabigtrucki.e. around 500 eur05:17
keitsiwhen they hit the stores, the price was 700e for a while05:17
keitsifor 64GB05:17
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itsnotabigtruckthings have been awfully dead over at the #inception channel :(05:20
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petteriso I am using offline storage api and want upgrade the database scheme for new version of my app11:22
petterishould I just pass new version number to openDatabaseSync and forget the earlier database or what?11:23
petteri699 was lauch price here in finland. Bought one also for that price11:27
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rzrhi Khertan13:28
rzri did test your editor, it's fine ...13:28
rzrboth are bit overlaping a bit .. I may then focus on the symbian version13:28
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jonniso how many here have tested overclocking module already?13:47
rzrnot me14:02
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Khertanrzr, thx14:25
Khertannext release have markdown support14:25
Khertanrzr, and i m currently testing an other way to do syntax highlight, but it's slow, and seems to made trouble in qml engine14:27
* rzr <3 .md14:28
rzris org mode planned ?14:28
khertan_org ?14:32
khertan_by support of markdown i mean preview ... nothing more ;)14:33
khertan_rzr: :)14:36
rzremacssorg -mode14:40
rzremacs' org-mode14:40
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* rzr What are the websites designed for #MobilE to #BookMark on your #PhonE ? #JQuerY #Html5 !n950club !MeeGo #MaemO15:01
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pais this true?15:58
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dm8tbrthis is all based on some common rumour that surfaced recently and just reeks of wishful thinking16:04
pahm.. so nothing sure16:07
dm8tbr'sure' and 'true' it would be if you'd see a statement from Nokia PR16:08
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jonniis it aprils fools day already? :)16:20
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pa"In Elop's words, there is no returning to MeeGo, even if the N9 turns out to be a hit."  he deserves to be fired just for this. Against any market strategy rule16:30
auenf'future disruptions'16:32
pabut the strangest part of the article is glorifying Qt16:32
paand then pushing WinPhone, that does not support Qt16:32
faenilnot yet16:34
pawill it ever support it officially?16:34
faenilprobably not officially, but who cares16:35
faenilbut I'm sure Qt support will come from the community as soon as they give us the official NDK16:36
faeniland the bigger Qt becomes, the easier it gets to port it to other platforms (see. WP)16:37
faenilbigger = more developed16:37
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auenfthe glorifying of QT is for the next billion iirc16:38
rishiTerms like "future disruptions" don't mean a thing when it comes from a man in the business suit.16:40
rishiThose are just gimmicks, but who gives a shit.16:40
rishiWaiting for the Vivaldi tablets to come out.16:40
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luke-jrAFAIK, the WinPhone contract forbids Nokia from porting Qt to it17:39
faenilthen community will make it :) where's the guy alone made Qt for Android in 9 months (preprealpha)17:40
itsnotabigtruckluke-jr: but i thought they already did port qt to it17:43
itsnotabigtruckbut it might never see the light of day17:43
itsnotabigtruckit might be for internal use only17:44
itsnotabigtruckand pa: i think it's well known that meltemi/nextbil includes some meego code, but it's definitely not meego17:45
itsnotabigtruckthe original story is a huge distortion and everyone's been reblogging it without any fact checking17:45
itsnotabigtruck hrm17:46
faenilitsnotabigtruck, we know that, MSFT doesn't want to use more than one SDK, bla bla bla17:48
paanyway, qtmobility should also start wrapping basic harware features, like radio, wifi, and so on, otherwise apps using these sensors/devices wont be portable17:50
paor rather cross-platform, sorry17:50
faenilproblem is qtmobility is not working anywhere correctly17:56
pawell, for contacts it works (on harmattan)17:57
pamore or less at least, i didnt do any advanced stuff17:57
faenilyeah, but harmattan and symbian are the only ones offering partial support17:58
faenilit's at early stages on Android, iOS, QNX ports17:58
pawell yeah, but those are not official ports17:59
payou should blame those who implemented it, not nokia/qt18:00
faenilpa, I know, but what we care about is how crossplatform our software is, as you pointed out :)18:02
faenilpa, anyway, I get your point and agree18:02
faenilbut isn't wifi management already included in mobility?18:04
pai dont know, but probably not. i've been looking everywhere for switching wlan on/off without success18:04
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DocScrutinizerapril's fool? haha, haven't you realized you're still digesting last year's april's fool? ;-P18:52
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itsnotabigtruckis it just me or has the noobness on TMO gone up a few notches in the past couple weeks19:30
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ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: in couple months or last year =)19:43
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M4rtinKanybody else getting no content from the AFM app ?20:09
M4rtinKor more specifically it just displays "No Content"20:09
ZogG_laptopM4rtinK: same here20:11
M4rtinKX-Fade: any idea what might be the cause ?20:12
M4rtinKjust wanted to test the new in-app QA form and now this :)20:12
itsnotabigtruckM4rtinK: there's a qa form in the app?20:13
itsnotabigtrucki haven't even been using the app, i don't like it very much20:14
itsnotabigtrucki just added the repos to apt20:14
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M4rtinKitsnotabigtruck: yep, mus have been in one of the last updates20:22
M4rtinKI find it quite that it has been finally integrated in the app20:22
M4rtinKthe less obstacles testers have to go through, the better :)20:23
itsnotabigtruckM4rtinK: now you just need to convince 3 more people to test your app :p20:24
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: how about testing M4rtinK's app20:24
itsnotabigtruckit's stuck at 3 approvals20:24
M4rtinKgood point ! :D20:25
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DocScrutinizerjust to let you know:
itsnotabigtruck85 quid :O20:52
teleshoesdamn! thats really really cool20:53
DocScrutinizerwell, it's a complete assembly of AMOLED plus C-TS20:53
teleshoesnow i dont have to use a screen protector20:53
teleshoesAMOLED Complete Lcd DIsplay [sic]20:54
teleshoesoh wait, i  thought it said they had it20:54
DocScrutinizerDUH. missed that part as well20:55
teleshoesoh well20:55
teleshoesi guess have to go right back to feeling guilty about not using a screen protector20:55
DocScrutinizeryou still could ask a Nokia Care how much they'd charge for swapping the TS20:56
teleshoesin america!20:56
DocScrutinizerI mean, N9 is supposedly still in production at Nokia, no?20:56
DocScrutinizerunlike N90020:57
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teleshoessuch bullshit how they wont even fix an n900 anymore20:57
teleshoesif you send it in, they basically confiscate it20:57
DocScrutinizerwhere they rather give you a C7 or similar crap, maybe an N8, rather than fixing your N900 on warranty20:57
teleshoesat least what they give you has value on the market20:57
teleshoesbut its a hassle to sell it and then buy another n90020:58
DocScrutinizerno manufacturer may *confiscate* MY device20:58
DocScrutinizerthey damn better at very least return the unfixed device to me20:59
DocScrutinizeror they send a dude to Hongkong to get me a new one21:00
DocScrutinizerI'd definitely not accept any such scam like giving me crappy "replacement" N8 or whatever21:01
teleshoeswell, you can just buy one on ebay21:02
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teleshoesselling an n8 at profit21:02
DocScrutinizerdoen't matter, and btw no new ones on fleabay21:02
teleshoesoh noes21:02
teleshoesdidnt know that day had come21:02
DocScrutinizerexcept that Hongkong source21:03
DocScrutinizerthat'S why I said they may send a dude over there, to get me new one21:03
DocScrutinizerwhat a gashead ever came up with the idea for policy to get rid of spare parts before even the 2 years warranty period from 1st time to marjket expired, that dude deserves some proper treatment21:06
DocScrutinizerand since THAT incident Nokia basically is a no-go for me21:07
DocScrutinizerI mean I probably still get spare parts for my 12 year old 6210, originally from Nokia21:08
DocScrutinizerand even a written and by-law warranty not being worth the paper it's written on, well that makes me just sad21:09
DocScrutinizer"OK you paid for it, now please forget the address and even name of Nokia"21:10
DocScrutinizerbasically you can buy things from such rogue manufacturer only with a 10 year leasing contract21:11
DocScrutinizerand even then... :-S21:11
DocScrutinizerI mean my investment into sw to run on that and *only* on that device/platform could easily be multiple of the original device value21:12
DocScrutinizernot to mention my investment into spare time I spend to tweak the thing to match my needs21:13
DocScrutinizerI must be god's favourite idiot to develop for such platform and plan to *sell* my stuff21:14
DocScrutinizerodds are the platform is obsolete before my development ready for rollout21:14
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javispedrofaenil: there?23:11
faeniljavispedro, yup23:14
faeniljavispedro, sup?23:14
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itsnotabigtruckajalkane: ping23:28
itsnotabigtruckanyone know of any good libraries for *nix that provide things like file opening, porcess spawning, etc.23:30
faenilfork? :D23:31
javispedrolibc? =)23:32
itsnotabigtruckthe c library functions have less than ideal interfaces and result in a massive heap of boilerplate code23:33
javispedrowell, there's glib on the device, but some say it actually adds more boilerplate23:33
itsnotabigtruckalso it doesn't matter for this, but the standard c functions are entirely insufficient for anything serious, and posix functions are unportable23:33
itsnotabigtruckright, something like glib, but glib appears to be actually rather lacking in the file i/o department23:34
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javispedrobecause there's gio for that23:34
javispedroalbeit gio is hardly lightweight23:34
javispedrohello DocScrutinizer23:35
DocScrutinizerhi :-D23:36
DocScrutinizerI could hardly think of any lib facilitating fopen()23:37
itsnotabigtruckyeah, gio looks pretty heavy and undesirable for simple console apps23:37
javispedrowell I can concur that ansi c is lacking in some aspects, such as e.g. spawning a process and reading its standard output23:39
DocScrutinizerwell, yes. If you don't want some simple stuff like system(9 then yep, you need some extra lines23:41
DocScrutinizersystem() even23:41
itsnotabigtruckwell, for example, reading a file23:42
javispedrothere's certainly a helper for that in glib (that="reading entire file into mem")23:42
itsnotabigtrucki don't want to have to open() the file, spin on eintr, fstat() it, read() it, spinning on eintr and incomplete reads, ...23:43
itsnotabigtruckyeah, glib does handle that particular case23:43
itsnotabigtruckbut it doesn't handle the other cases23:43
javispedro(also QtCore ;P)23:43
itsnotabigtruckfor example in inpkgsign i need to open a file for writing without truncation, and incrementally write stuff to it23:44
itsnotabigtruckand be able to easily detect when things go wrong without a stupid amount of code23:44
javispedro(on glibc you can avoid EINTR altogether with some signal.h trickery; dunno about win32)23:45
itsnotabigtruckwell, windows doesn't have anything like eintr so it's not a problem23:46
itsnotabigtruckif you mean sa_restart, that's not very pretty23:46
rzrkhertan_, hi can you help on ?23:54

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