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| Sazpaimon | my N9 doesnt like it when i feed it a kernel command like it seems | 00:52 |
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| Sazpaimon | the device just switches off | 00:52 |
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| teleshoes | hey, itsnotabigtruck | 00:53 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | teleshoes: 'sup | 00:54 |
| teleshoes | i have a question about dependencies, apt-get, ovi store, and inception | 00:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | teleshoes: shoot | 00:54 |
| teleshoes | i have a script that some folks would like me to package up in a deb | 00:54 |
| teleshoes | it has some dependencies on harmattan-dev debs | 00:55 |
| teleshoes | that disqualifies it from the store, right? | 00:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | teleshoes: unless you figure out a way to merge those dependencies into the single deb, yeah | 00:55 |
| teleshoes | mm, yea its a bunch of python libs | 00:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which is uber ugly | 00:55 |
| teleshoes | mmhmm | 00:56 |
| teleshoes | i have no interest in doing that, really | 00:56 |
| teleshoes | but say i wanted to set this up so someone with inception could do it easily | 00:56 |
| teleshoes | i have no problem posting a bunch of debs | 00:56 |
| teleshoes | and then having them incept mine | 00:56 |
| teleshoes | does this work? would normal users be able to do this? | 00:57 |
| teleshoes | opinion-wise, i mean. not everyday users, either, just non-developer power users | 00:57 |
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| teleshoes | also, do you think i should bother aegis-izing the deb? | 00:58 |
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| teleshoes | debs include, e.g.: python-qmsystem, from http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com harmattan/sdk/free | 01:01 |
| teleshoes | wait wait wait, i dont think i use any debs from harmattan/sdk | 01:02 |
| teleshoes | new question: | 01:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | teleshoes: well, is inception even needed? | 01:02 |
| teleshoes | to install MY deb | 01:02 |
| teleshoes | i assume it is | 01:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if your package doesn't assert credentials outside of the developer set, the answer is no | 01:02 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | if you don't have a manifest, then you aren't asserting any credentials | 01:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | however a lot of qmsystem stuff requires credentials | 01:03 |
| teleshoes | i put an upstart script in /etc/init | 01:03 |
| teleshoes | and im pretty sure qmkeys uses something | 01:03 |
| teleshoes | but i havent investigated it too closely | 01:03 |
| teleshoes | so assuming that i DO need some aegis credentials | 01:05 |
| teleshoes | will incept install the dependencies, itsnotabigtruck? | 01:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | teleshoes: nope, it wraps dpkg -i | 01:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'd use pkgmgr instead but not everything someone wants to install is a "user package" | 01:06 |
| teleshoes | ok, so ill have to have them incept, apt-get -f install, incept | 01:06 |
| teleshoes | iiiiii dont know anything about pkgmgr | 01:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | try it without inception and see if there's an issue | 01:07 |
| teleshoes | ok, will do | 01:07 |
| teleshoes | thanks | 01:07 |
| rhkfin | itsnotabigtruck: what else inception does beside disabling aegis? | 01:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rhkfin: well, it doesn't disable aegis | 01:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it creates a 'domain' in aegis that's fully trusted | 01:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and gives you a program (incept) that lets you install programs as fully trusted | 01:08 |
| rhkfin | ah, I see. Neat! | 01:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so if you install something normally, it's just like before, but if you incept something, it can access any privilege | 01:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and most of the really interesting privileges aren't available normally | 01:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, through that, you can install programs like shells that allow you to access those privileges directly | 01:09 |
| rhkfin | so it doesn't 'break' the existing system but makes it possible to.. enable c00l things for apps | 01:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | like su/sudo do for the root user on regular linux | 01:10 |
| rhkfin | right | 01:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | right, pretty much | 01:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw does dpkg pay attention to the order of packages specified to dpkg -i | 01:11 |
| rhkfin | neat. I wasn't able to find this on the inception site, that's why I asked. | 01:12 |
| teleshoes | also, it would be nice if someone made it easy to disable aegis completely with inception | 01:13 |
| rhkfin | teleshoes: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82991 good enough? | 01:14 |
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| teleshoes | mm, forgot about this, thx | 01:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that doesn't completely eliminate aegis but it does let you turn the validator off during a boot | 01:16 |
| teleshoes | wait, permissive mode isnt as eliminated as aegis gets? | 01:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | teleshoes: check out the aegisctl help | 01:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | as in the inline -? help | 01:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i haven't experimented with turning off the validator much and jonni thinks it's a really bad idea | 01:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's why the more unusual configs are gated on the --really switch | 01:19 |
| teleshoes | mm, i see | 01:19 |
| teleshoes | so as like an example for what id like to be really easy, and it might be with an aegisctl flag, | 01:19 |
| teleshoes | would be to not have 'killall sshd' say 'permission denied' | 01:19 |
| teleshoes | as root user | 01:19 |
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| rhkfin | Hey anyone got any idea how to get to work with the .calendar dir? | 01:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | teleshoes: there's no easy way to turn SECUREBITS_NOROOT or whatever it's called, off | 01:20 |
| rhkfin | A friend has messed up his calendar but also can't access the folder (it's owned by calendar user..) | 01:20 |
| teleshoes | mm, i see, thanks | 01:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | teleshoes: it's not precisely an aegis thing, either | 01:20 |
| teleshoes | i know open mode lets me do it np | 01:21 |
| teleshoes | so i figured it was aegis-y | 01:21 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | sort of, but the modded open mode kernel lets you do that because it was hacked to do that | 01:21 |
| teleshoes | i guess this is an openmode! thing | 01:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the key is understanding that on linux, there's UID=0, and there's linux capabilities | 01:21 |
| teleshoes | yea | 01:21 |
| teleshoes | gotcha | 01:21 |
| teleshoes | mm | 01:21 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | just having UID=0 doesn't necessarily give you any root powers | 01:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but on a normal linux system, doing setuid(0) magically adds all the linux capabilities, and so does running a setuid root file | 01:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | however, it's possible to run a linux system such that it isn't the case | 01:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the aegis validator forces that mode on | 01:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the important thing is that capabilities and root are separate not just in aegis but in linux in general, and you can't just assume that one means the other | 01:23 |
| teleshoes | mmhmm | 01:23 |
| teleshoes | understood | 01:23 |
| teleshoes | i dont really know what it is, exactly, that SECUREBITS_NOROOT is | 01:23 |
| teleshoes | i assume i cant kill sshd because theres some root permission i dont have | 01:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | teleshoes: it's a mode that disables the setuid magic | 01:24 |
| teleshoes | ah | 01:24 |
| teleshoes | gotcah | 01:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | right, the permission is CAP::kill | 01:24 |
| teleshoes | and i can enable that | 01:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's not a restricted one, develsh provides it | 01:24 |
| teleshoes | with aegis-exec | 01:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | sort of, aegis-exec only lets you enable capabilities if you have tcb capability | 01:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | erm, the tcb credential | 01:24 |
| teleshoes | whoosh, over my head | 01:24 |
| teleshoes | tcb? | 01:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | tcb = uber root | 01:25 |
| teleshoes | i see | 01:25 |
| teleshoes | so develsh | 01:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's the credential that allows control over aegis | 01:25 |
| teleshoes | your inceptdo would let me | 01:25 |
| teleshoes | yea? | 01:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you could do develsh -c 'kill something', opensh -c 'kill something', or inceptdo kill something | 01:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | any of those would work | 01:25 |
| teleshoes | and inceptdo will let us change any arbitrary linux root priv, right? | 01:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, it'll enable all the linux root privileges | 01:26 |
| teleshoes | ok | 01:26 |
| teleshoes | inceptdo does more than develsh, | 01:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i decided to go the naive route and just make it enable everything | 01:26 |
| teleshoes | which does a subset | 01:26 |
| teleshoes | ? | 01:26 |
| teleshoes | ah | 01:27 |
| teleshoes | i see | 01:27 |
| teleshoes | i thought there was going to be a nothing-mode that let you use aegis-exec | 01:27 |
| teleshoes | to specify which you want | 01:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | develsh = activates the developer credentials (the ones that peons are allowed to use) and launches a shell | 01:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | opensh = activates all credentials and launches a shell, it's just a slightly modded version of develsh | 01:27 |
| teleshoes | ok, this is great, i have much more information than i had | 01:28 |
| teleshoes | thanks | 01:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | inceptdo = activates all credentials, asks for a password, launches the specified program | 01:28 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | well that was abrupt :p | 01:31 |
| DrGrov | Yo, evening to all | 01:34 |
| DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Hi there. Perhaps you got some time to clarify one minor detail for me? | 01:35 |
| DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Feels like I have been away for too long, not following the progress it seems | 01:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: yeah shoot | 01:35 |
| DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Meltemi is exactly what? | 01:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: what's going to replace S40 (their dumbphone OS) | 01:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it might have some maemo/meego stuff in it, but it's not meego | 01:36 |
| DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Okay, roger that. Now I am following again. Is there any information about this somewhere? | 01:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | despite what the bloggers claim (with no verification) | 01:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | very little because it's all rumor | 01:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there isn't much info beyond what i just told you, really | 01:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | all that's really 100% is that it exists and it's destined to replace s40 | 01:37 |
| DrGrov | Ok, good to know at least that it is verified to exist. | 01:38 |
| DrGrov | At least something | 01:38 |
| DrGrov | Thanks itsnotabigtruck | 01:39 |
| faenil | the commercial name should be Smarterphones? | 01:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Preparing to replace redacted (using redacted) ... | 01:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rm: can't remove 'redacted': Permission denied | 01:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what? :/ | 01:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i thought preinst scripts ran as root unless you specify otherwise | 01:40 |
| DrGrov | Anyone using Home screen settings app? I am reading about some "Live wallpapers" feature in it. | 01:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: yeah, it lets you set this sine wave animation as a background on the home screen | 01:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (not the lock screen) | 01:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it isn't that great but it's neat to try | 01:41 |
| DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Ah, is it cool then? | 01:41 |
| DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: How do I set the actual background wallpaper? I need to create a own wallpaper first? | 01:42 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: something like that | 01:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it won't be live though | 01:47 |
| Enforcer | live wallpaper sounds very bad for battery ;) | 01:52 |
| Enforcer | and meltemi sounds like it'll be a maemo 'based' replacement for anything between asha and lumia | 01:54 |
| faenil | Enforcer, yeah | 01:55 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://blog.intercom.io/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Android-or-Condom.jpg | 02:07 |
| Sazpaimon | how do I specify a kernel command like that *wont* cause my device to shut down immediately? | 02:26 |
| Sazpaimon | *line | 02:26 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: if you're trying to do it from flasher, i think doing that is blocked | 02:30 |
| Sazpaimon | even though its a valid argument? | 02:31 |
| Sazpaimon | it takes my argument, and sends it to the device, but then it immediately shuts down | 02:31 |
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| Sazpaimon | also, can i clear out mtd3? | 02:53 |
| Sazpaimon | so I can get a fresh kernel log | 02:54 |
| Sazpaimon | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mtd3 gives me an invalid argument error | 02:54 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | heh, i just realized that accli -I inquires about its /parent process'/ aegis state | 03:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rather than its own | 03:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which explains why aegis-exec accli -I and aegis-exec sh -c 'accli -I' produce drastically different results | 03:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyone still here, who has open mode running? | 03:51 |
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| tgalal | Sazpaimon: hey I did follow your advice :P | 04:24 |
| tgalal | basically I automated it | 04:24 |
| tgalal | http://wazapp.im/ | 04:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | tgalal: meh, lacks the charm of sazpaimon's approach though | 04:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | make it count how many times the button is pushed and say wazapp has been delayed by 1 more week each time :p | 04:28 |
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| tgalal | itsnotabigtruck: lol nice one | 04:34 |
| tgalal | I will | 04:34 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | anyone on? | 05:27 |
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| denism | hi, does anybody knows, which runlevels N9 has? | 08:44 |
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| jonni | denism: [023456] | 09:06 |
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| denism | jonni: thank you, do you know where is a list of names for them for dsmetool -t ? | 09:07 |
| denism | (like for example 2 or 5 = shutdown) | 09:08 |
| jonni | afaik dsmetool uses numbers for runlevels | 09:10 |
| denism | unluckily no, it requires names :( at least the receiver says: got telinit '2' from pid 3133: /sbin/dsmetool ignoring unknown telinit runlevel request | 09:11 |
| denism | and 'dsmetool -t shutdown' works properly | 09:12 |
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| jonni | denism: not all runlevels can be entered with dsmetool, but you have "shutdown, user, actdead and reboot" which it accepts as parameter. | 09:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | and N9 is particularly funny about actdead - even ssh sessions via WLAN survive transitions user->actdead | 09:49 |
| jonni | and serial console getty connection survices also :) | 09:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | so basically actdead just means: display disabled, really shut down when USB eventually unplugged | 09:50 |
| jonni | well it kills some processes | 09:50 |
| * DocScrutinizer idly wonders what actdead will result in when no USB plugged in | 09:50 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | or am I just confused by powerbutton actually doing actdead instead of shutdown when usb (charger) plugged in? | 09:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | also, what's dsme shutdown going to do when device is charging? | 09:54 |
| jonni | DocScrutinizer: nope with powerbutton state changes to SHUTDOWN | 09:54 |
| jonni | but yes, after shutdown if you have usb icon showing in the screen then you are in initlevel 5 (actdead) | 09:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | since there's no real powerdown state as long as device hooked up to a power source and thus charging | 09:56 |
| denism | jonni: thank you | 09:56 |
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| rdnzl | using screenSaverDelayed from qml works as expected but i'm having org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied errors in sdk's application output window - do i need some aegis magic to silence this? | 11:37 |
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| Khertan | Morning | 11:40 |
| rdnzl | moin | 11:42 |
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| Khertan | How can i manage text highlight in a TextArea, i mean i want to color some words, i need to use pseudo <html> syntax ... but ... this mean i need to get all text, remove previous html tag, parse it, and set it ... each time onTextChanged, as there is no way to set partial text, or get information on partial changes, someone have another idea ? | 12:12 |
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| rigo | KHertan, use CSS | 12:14 |
| Khertan | rigo ? | 12:15 |
| Khertan | css ? to highlight text ? | 12:15 |
| Khertan | how ? | 12:15 |
| rigo | by having a CSS class with a certain forground/background color and wrapping <span class="yourclass">highlighted text</span> | 12:16 |
| Khertan | yeah .... of course | 12:16 |
| Khertan | this solve nothing | 12:17 |
| rigo | dunno which capacities the thing has, but if the rendering is based on web stuff ... | 12:17 |
| Khertan | you need to parse the text on onTextChanged signal remove all span, parse the text, put span, put the result in the TextArea.text | 12:17 |
| Khertan | rigo: which capacity TextArea have ? | 12:18 |
| rigo | ah, ok, just triggered by the "web" keyword. Don't know how they handle this internally. | 12:18 |
| rigo | in general terms, you need a selector to manipulate that selector with CSS | 12:19 |
| Khertan | (i never talk about web ... :) but didn't precise that it was a qml TextArea :) ) | 12:19 |
| rigo | span is such a selector | 12:19 |
| Khertan | but yeah i know how manipulate things in html :) | 12:20 |
| Khertan | with js | 12:20 |
| rigo | so if this is using pseudo web (dunno how far), the way is to create a selector and then manipulate the selector | 12:20 |
| Khertan | it s pseudo html :) not pseudo web :) | 12:20 |
| rigo | sur, JS is always the more complex option ;) | 12:20 |
| Khertan | as you cna't manipulate the content of a TextArea | 12:20 |
| Khertan | Get and Set text is the only methods managing the content | 12:21 |
| Khertan | a bit limited | 12:21 |
| rigo | but if the content of TextArea already contains your selector, you can address it without parsing, changing and re-injecting | 12:21 |
| Khertan | it s qml ... not javascript ... you can't set partial content | 12:22 |
| Khertan | also can't retrieve partial content | 12:22 |
| Khertan | nor knowing what have been updated on textChanged | 12:22 |
| rigo | => not for me anymore, sorry | 12:23 |
| Khertan | :) | 12:23 |
| Khertan | i ve try many work arround to avoid qml | 12:23 |
| Khertan | but last update on harmattan breaks the QTextEdit widget ... or something else in the QProxyWidget | 12:24 |
| Khertan | so KhtEditor segfault | 12:24 |
| Khertan | and the only way arround is to rewrite it with something officially supported | 12:24 |
| rigo | and I have no clue what is officially supported | 12:25 |
| rigo | you'll have to wait for jonni | 12:25 |
| Khertan | qml | 12:25 |
| Khertan | :) | 12:25 |
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| ZogG_laptop | sup dudes | 12:32 |
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| dm8tbr | not mucken futch | 12:57 |
| ieatlint | i learnt that oven + alcohol can equal 2nd degree burn | 13:05 |
| ieatlint | also, pizza | 13:06 |
| deram | easily.. also lumps of coal when combined with not enough sleep in past day | 13:08 |
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| pa | can i use the same firmware for flashing the 16 and the 64 version of N9? | 15:06 |
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| denism | pa: yes | 15:06 |
| pa | ok thanks :) | 15:08 |
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| Khertan | someone have voodoo dolls of the inventors of QML at Trolltech/Nokia ? | 15:32 |
| Khertan | want to offer some voodoo pin's | 15:32 |
| * jonni hides behind a tree | 15:34 | |
| X-Fade | Khertan: spotify:track:0IYlWIpSsxobpYlFz38VbJ | 15:35 |
| X-Fade | Or http://open.spotify.com/track/0IYlWIpSsxobpYlFz38VbJ even :) | 15:35 |
| Khertan | X-Fade: already listening : http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/Please+Destroy+This+World/4cjNU0?src=5 | 15:40 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: Ah, nice and quiet song :) | 15:41 |
| Khertan | I listening that when i want to relax | 15:41 |
| Khertan | :) | 15:41 |
| X-Fade | Oh yes, very relaxing song.. Real chill out music. | 15:43 |
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| Khertan | X-Fade: if you prefer french dark female voice : http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/Pourquoi/32rlQZ?src=5 | 16:05 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | anyone on with open mode running | 16:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Khertan pa denism ieatlint deram ZogG_laptop ^ | 16:55 |
| Khertan | what did you call "open mode" ? | 17:00 |
| Khertan | devel mode ? | 17:00 |
| Khertan | or kernel without aegis ? | 17:00 |
| deram | open mode is with open kernel, I presume, and no, just devel mode on my device | 17:02 |
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| Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: so just devel mode here | 17:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | deram Khertan: i meant, any configuration that produces the disclaimer on boot | 17:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it doesn't have to be a special kernel, in fact it's better if it's not | 17:03 |
| deram | no disclamer, I'm still within the warranty | 17:04 |
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| pa | no, i still try to believe it's ok to keep aegis there, but probably not for long.. | 17:15 |
| pa | question: is it normal that , when i use earphones (the stock nokia earphones) to call | 17:17 |
| pa | and i just call, and nothing else, the sound sucks hard? | 17:18 |
| pa | but if i start using the phone during the call, then it's ok | 17:18 |
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| pa | hmm | 17:28 |
| pa | perhaps it's coz of call recorder | 17:28 |
| pa | is by the way anyone using it? | 17:37 |
| pa | i tried to record calls while i was using the earphones | 17:37 |
| pa | and i cannot hear the voice from the caller | 17:38 |
| pa | mine i can | 17:38 |
| pa | probably it's because the microphone used is the one on the headset | 17:39 |
| pa | hm i tried with another without micro, but it's the same | 17:46 |
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| rigo | pa, interesting | 18:11 |
| rigo | I have it, but did not try it so far | 18:12 |
| pa | i remember i coul record some calls properly | 18:12 |
| pa | but without earphones | 18:12 |
| rigo | hm, curious, because the micro is redirected ok, but the sound isn't | 18:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | i recorded without headphones | 18:14 |
| rigo | unless the phone was nearby, the micro good enough and thus the phone micro recorded your voice, not the micro of the headset | 18:15 |
| rigo | and the speaker in the phone was deactivated thus no signal there, thus no recording | 18:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | i said without =) | 18:16 |
| rigo | pa was with | 18:17 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: open mode? | 18:20 |
| Khertan | What type of rich text support QML TextArea ? | 18:24 |
| Khertan | only pseudo "html" ? RTF isn't supported ? | 18:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: nope | 18:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | Khertan: i think it is | 18:27 |
| Khertan | ZogG_laptop: doesn't look like :) | 18:36 |
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| Khertan | {\rtf1 ... doesn't works | 18:40 |
| Khertan | :) | 18:40 |
| Khertan | doesn't support too <span> | 18:41 |
| Khertan | grrrrrr | 18:41 |
| Khertan | voooodddooooo doll's needed here ! | 18:44 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | hmm | 19:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | speed x is pretty cool, but it lacks volume control | 19:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | looks like they forgot to include the policy file | 19:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | er, except it does include a policy file | 19:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | weird | 19:24 |
| pa | 20 nok | 19:24 |
| pa | hmm | 19:24 |
| pa | maybe i buy it | 19:24 |
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| pa | did anybody try FCam? | 19:27 |
| pa | i was looking at the api | 19:27 |
| pa | i saw that the focus is expressed in diopters | 19:28 |
| pa | is there any way to convert it to/from meters? | 19:28 |
| SpeedEvil | 1/10 dioptres = m | 19:30 |
| SpeedEvil | so 1 dioptre = 10cm | 19:30 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 19:30 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 19:30 |
| SpeedEvil | 1 dioptre = 1m, 2 = .5m, 4 = .25m, ... | 19:31 |
| SpeedEvil | reciprocal metres | 19:31 |
| pa | ah i see | 19:31 |
| pa | thanks | 19:31 |
| pa | but i guess it's not possible to use the camera as distance meter | 19:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Yes. | 19:31 |
| pa | at least not for too long distances | 19:32 |
| SpeedEvil | If you read out the distance of maximum sharpness, and calibrate | 19:32 |
| SpeedEvil | But only under a couple of meters or so | 19:32 |
| pa | yes | 19:32 |
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| villager | yeah... I once wanted to make an app for distance measurement that way, but found that you it doesn't take many meters to get to max focus anyway, so with such a limit, it wouldn't be too useful for what I wanted... | 20:06 |
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| rishi | Does anyone know how N9 implements the Accounts -> Google feature. It does not offer the usual OAuth web page. I am wondering whether it does something clever or not? | 20:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rishi: i don't think it uses oauth | 20:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but i'm not sure what it uses | 20:28 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | to reiterate, anyone here running open mode? | 20:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rishi villager SpeedEvil ^ | 20:32 |
| rishi | itsnotabigtruck: What is it? :-) Another name for the developer mode? | 20:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rishi: nah, it lets you boot custom kernels and disable aegis 'officially', at the cost of complexity and a scary warranty void screen | 20:35 |
| SpeedEvil | no\ | 20:35 |
| rishi | itsnotabigtruck: Then, no. | 20:35 |
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| Sazpaimon | i cant get kexec to work :/ | 21:29 |
| Sazpaimon | it just keeps resetting back to the original kernel | 21:29 |
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| jpwhiting | itsnotabigtruck: hey there, have you developed any harmattan apps yet? | 23:48 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | jpwhiting: what do you count as an 'app' :p | 23:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i haven't built any fancy user friendly gui apps, if that's what you mean | 23:52 |
| jpwhiting | itsnotabigtruck: well, any app really, I'm making a remember the milk app for MeeGo, but have a question | 23:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but i'd imagine you've noticed my other projects | 23:52 |
| jpwhiting | mainly I don't see how to have a subclass of QApplication to hold all the app logic | 23:53 |
| jpwhiting | with slots and such | 23:53 |
| jpwhiting | because of the createApplication() booster thing | 23:53 |
| jpwhiting | guess I could have a regular QObject to hold all that stuff instead | 23:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no idea about that...have you installed inception? | 23:54 |
| jpwhiting | no, what's inception? | 23:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jpwhiting: :O | 23:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | https://endno.de/~itsnotabigtruck/inception | 23:55 |
| * jpwhiting kind of lurks here, but doesn't usually pay much attention, my bad | 23:55 | |
| * jpwhiting looks | 23:55 | |
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