IRC log of #harmattan for Wednesday, 2012-03-28

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liarhas anyone of you built mupen64plus for the n9? i am confused by soft/hard vfp...00:52
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Khertanrishi, right00:58
Khertanrishi, and i ve just sucessfully made it working with zpush on my own server00:58
* rishi nods00:58
Sazpaimondamn it where is e-yes01:02
itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon: btw it looks like pivot_root is what is normally used during bootup01:16
itsnotabigtrucknot chroot01:16
itsnotabigtruckpivot_root switches the actual root01:16
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itsnotabigtruck(see top of
itsnotabigtruckit looks like the only real difference has to do with being able to umount the root01:18
Sazpaimonitsnotabigtruck, pivot_root basically remounts a partition as the rootfs01:19
Sazpaimonyou still need to, iirc, chroot into the new root and run init01:20
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Sazpaimonat least, man page explains it that way if I remember01:20
Sazpaimonbetter explanation01:21
Sazpaimonpivot_root is for when you intend to unmount the old root01:21
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Sazpaimonchoot is designed for a single process01:21
Sazpaimonbut really nowadays its practically the same thing01:22
Sazpaimonexpecially if that single process is init01:22
Sazpaimonwhich, as we know, never exits01:22
Sazpaimonalso, i cant get a kernel to compile from e-yes's repository that matches the binary he posted01:23
Sazpaimonall of my images are about 100KB smaller01:23
Sazpaimonand they don't boot01:24
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Sazpaimonof course there's no way to debug *why* it doesnt boot01:27
Sazpaimonno kernel panic logs01:27
itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon: ah, hmm
itsnotabigtruckshould have read more closely01:28
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Sazpaimonnowadays the difference between the two are really minimal01:29
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Sazpaimonman, cant figure out this kenel issue01:31
Sazpaimonive tried 3 different branches from e-yes's repo01:31
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torarne[home]itsnotabigtruck: everything went smooth when using dpkg-buildpackage, though i had to tweak the rules file quite a bit to my liking :)01:56
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DocScrutinizerSazpaimon: I always thought pivot_root is able to change root for a running process, while chroot only is for new processes started in it02:34
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DocScrutinizerbut well, obviously chrot is a child dir somewhere, while pivotroot actually deals with existing rootdir02:36
DocScrutinizerso this implies you can't umount, or delete or whatever, the parent of a chroot. But you can and usually will umount the old rootfs of a pivot_root02:38
Sazpaimonbut for the purposes of loading an OS, its practically the same thing02:38
Sazpaimonwith the exception that a chroot will, basically, keep the old rootfs mounted02:38
DocScrutinizeryep, exactly. And afaik you will have massive problems to tell your OS to accept the new fake rootfs of a chroot as its real root02:40
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DocScrutinizerunless you start a new instance of your kernel/whatever in that chroot dir02:40
Sazpaimonwhy would anyone do that02:41
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DocScrutinizerto switch from initrd to the real rootfs for example02:42
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DocScrutinizerwhich is exactly the only purpose where I've seen pivot_root getting used02:43
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Sazpaimonanyway, i can not get this kernel to make02:47
Sazpaimonor rather, to boot02:47
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Sazpaimontried with dpkg-buildpackage and got "scripts/Makefile.clean:17: /home/maemo/kernel-ng/drivers/staging/arlan/Makefile: No such file or directory02:49
Sazpaimonregular make just gives me an unbootable zImage02:50
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DocScrutinizerwhat means unbootable? does uboot not start, or does the kernel not start?02:55
Sazpaimonit doesnt boot to the OS02:56
Sazpaimonit shows the nokia logo, then preinit finishes, then nothing02:56
Sazpaimonalso, the multiboot message that says to press volup to boot an alternate OS doesnt respond to VolUp02:57
DocScrutinizerpreinit finishes? o.O02:57
Sazpaimonthe preinit script02:58
Sazpaimonyou know, /sbin/preinit?02:58
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DocScrutinizerthis means both uboot and kernel got started and are fine03:20
SazpaimonDocScrutinizer, yes Im aware03:22
Sazpaimonbut for some reason it doesnt actually get to the OS03:22
Sazpaimonand there's no way for me to actually determine why03:23
DocScrutinizerif I had to guess, I'd bet on your kernel modules not matching the kernel03:26
Sazpaimonthats entirely possible, but i dont know why that would be03:26
Sazpaimonits the same kenel version03:26
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Sazpaimon..strangely, include/config/kernel.release says
Sazpaimonwhich is what, PR1.1?03:34
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Sazpaimonreally strange03:36
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teleshoesaww, no binary pkg for python-pyside.qttest03:49
teleshoesnokias such a dick03:50
SazpaimonI frequently wish some other company made maemo03:50
teleshoesi just wish they werent such an asshole03:51
teleshoesthey went through and decided what packages they only want to be installed in scratchbox and deliberately didnt release the binaries for em03:51
Sazpaimonnokia would probably way down on the list of companies I want to produce a moblile OS03:51
Sazpaimonyou know, like maemo03:51
teleshoesalong, apple, and google03:51
Sazpaimonand intel03:51
teleshoesintel is high up on my list, though03:51
Sazpaimonintel has already shown with meego that they can make a high quality open OS03:52
Sazpaimonbut since theyre intel, they can afford to can it whenever they want03:52
teleshoesi dont really see why we need mobile oses03:52
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teleshoesanyone know why i cant backspace in vim?04:07
teleshoeson my n9, thatis04:08
itsnotabigtruckeh, intel also has an extreme lack of commitment to anything04:15
itsnotabigtrucka huge part of what they've ever done outside of their core business has been cancelled months to years in04:15
itsnotabigtrucktheir core products are damn good, it's just that they won't hold on to other things long enough to have them become actually profitable04:16
itsnotabigtruckalso teleshoes: vi or vim04:17
itsnotabigtruckbusybox's vi doesn't let you backspace a newline04:17
teleshoesyea, this is the vim in i think rzrs repo04:17
Sazpaimonyeah this thing still isnt booting04:25
Sazpaimoni made sure the kenel version was correct04:25
Sazpaimonand it's still breaking04:25
Sazpaimonlooks like e-yes used Sourcery to compile the kernel04:37
Sazpaimoni guess ill try that04:37
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teleshoesthp: hello! ive got a quick question04:41
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itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon teleshoes (+ anyone else on): any suggestions on how to make inception better?04:59
itsnotabigtruckbesides keeping it working once PR1.3's out of course04:59
teleshoesmagical role-based permissions04:59
teleshoesand candy04:59
itsnotabigtruckyeah, role based access control would be nice - and would require heavy duty kernel (and userspace) hacking :(05:00
itsnotabigtruckit's a real shame, security's all about letting the user in and keeping everyone else out, but it seems like there's no way to achieve that on harmattan05:02
itsnotabigtruckteleshoes ^05:02
Sazpaimoni dont use inception05:03
Sazpaimonand to be honest am not very interested in it05:03
teleshoesaw, you probably should, its nice05:03
Sazpaimonplus, I think with nitdroid around the corner, more people will be using open mode05:03
itsnotabigtruckexcept that both harmattan w/ open mode and nitdroid are terribly broken atm05:04
itsnotabigtrucknitdroid's getting better but harmattan open mode isn't05:04
teleshoesharmattan w/ openmode is broken?05:04
Sazpaimoni disagree05:04
Sazpaimonit works just fine if you arent converting from closed mode05:04
Sazpaimona fresh reflash with an openmode kernel and no user data works fine05:04
itsnotabigtruckeverything seems to indicate that signon/aegisfs/aps are at least a little bit borked05:05
teleshoesoh, i got mine working recently05:05
Sazpaimonits just the way aegis treats open mode05:05
itsnotabigtruckand no one seems to be doing anything with open mode that can't be done with inception05:05
Sazpaimonit uses a different shared key05:05
Sazpaimonitsnotabigtruck, running android05:05
teleshoesitsnotabigtruck thats definitely true05:05
itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon: apart from that05:05
itsnotabigtrucki'm not seeing anything like awesome customized kernels05:05
teleshoesehh, that doesnt count05:05
itsnotabigtruckcustomized beyond patching out a couple lines in aegis05:06
Sazpaimonnitdroid's kernel is customized beyond that05:06
Sazpaimonbut ok05:06
Sazpaimonnitdroid doesnt count05:06
Sazpaimoneven though harmattan runs on it05:06
itsnotabigtruckit's about 6 months in and it seems like there's basically no progress on open mode05:06
Sazpaimonyou could say that about HARM in generl05:06
itsnotabigtruckno disclaimer customizers, easy installers, cool apps, and so on05:07
itsnotabigtruckinception has the cool apps problem too though :(05:07
Sazpaimonyou can custoomize the disclaimer fine05:07
teleshoesthe only advantage of openmode > inception,05:07
Sazpaimonyou just need to do it in closed mode first05:07
itsnotabigtruckno one explored that until something like a week ago05:07
itsnotabigtruckthe tools still aren't fully baked05:07
Sazpaimoni, personally, disabled the disclaimer in closed mode, and then flashed open mode fine05:07
teleshoesis that inception takes a teensy bit more effort05:07
teleshoesSazpaimon, where is this?05:07
teleshoesdisclaimer removal??05:07
itsnotabigtruckso deleting the disclaimer image does in fact disable the disclaimer?05:08
teleshoesit doesnt for me!!05:08
itsnotabigtruckteleshoes: well, did you do it from open mode05:08
itsnotabigtruckyou can't touch it after going open05:08
teleshoesbut wait!05:08
teleshoesif i do it in closed05:08
teleshoesthen switch05:08
Sazpaimondisclaimer-cal remove View-openmode05:08
teleshoesmy keys are fucked up05:08
Sazpaimonrun that in closed mode05:08
itsnotabigtruckso why wasn't this explored 6 months ago, instead of trickling out months and months later05:08
Sazpaimonthen flash open mode05:09
itsnotabigtruckthis kinda proves my point05:09
teleshoeswait, how do you both do this, AND not have your accounts prompt for passwords05:09
Sazpaimondisclaimer-cal write View-openmove custom-image.rle05:09
itsnotabigtruckthe proponents of open mode have basically done nothing to support open mode05:09
Sazpaimonthat sets a custom image05:09
itsnotabigtruckwhen it comes to documentation, tutorials, and tools05:09
Sazpaimonteleshoes, for accounts, the easiest way is to wipe your user data05:09
Sazpaimonthen re-set up your accounts05:09
itsnotabigtruckin fact a lot of the info is nowhere written05:09
teleshoeswhere wipe-your-user-data means?05:10
Sazpaimonbasically reflash the emmc and do --secure-erase-data05:10
Sazpaimonor whatever its called05:10
teleshoesi have a script that inserts my accounts into the db after i reflash05:10
teleshoesso flash everything closed mode,05:10
teleshoesboot the phone05:10
itsnotabigtrucktry --erase-mmc=quick instead05:10
teleshoeskill the disclaimer05:10
teleshoesflash the emmc05:10
teleshoesand flash the openkernel05:11
Sazpaimonif youre working with a completely fresh flash though, there's no need to flash the emmc05:11
Sazpaimonjust completely reflash the phone, rootfs, emmc, everything05:11
teleshoesright, but once i boot into open mode,05:11
teleshoesinto CLOSED mode05:11
teleshoesi mean05:11
Sazpaimonskip creating the nokia account, install developer tools05:11
Sazpaimonremove the disclaimer05:11
Sazpaimonthen flash open mode kernel05:11
Sazpaimonthen create your user accounts05:12
itsnotabigtrucka) flash main image, b) mess with disclaimer, c) flash main+emmc and use --erase-mmc=quick on the main image flash, d) flash a kernel of your choice05:12
teleshoessweet, thanks guys05:12
Sazpaimonitsnotabigtruck, you could probably combine a and c05:12
itsnotabigtruckor alternately boot an unauthorized kernel once and have vanilla open mode05:12
itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon: but you need to expunge everything from the 1st boot05:12
Sazpaimonas long as the device has no accounts or anything that uses aegisfs set up, youre fine05:12
Sazpaimonthats the main issue05:12
itsnotabigtruckjust booting will set up some aps stuff05:12
itsnotabigtrucklike the aegis root of trust05:13
teleshoesyea, so i totally DO need to flash the emmc, right?05:13
Sazpaimonwhat I actually did was remove all the keys in /home/user/.aegis05:13
Sazpaimonthen rebooted05:13
itsnotabigtruckaps is on rootfs05:13
Sazpaimonaegis re-set that all up fine using openmode keys05:13
itsnotabigtruck(aegis protected storage)05:13
Sazpaimonand I didnt even need to reflash05:14
Sazpaimonteleshoes, if you want, you can try that instead05:14
Sazpaimonmay be easier05:14
Sazpaimonthen again, may not05:14
teleshoescan i just recursively remove /home/user/.aegis/* ?05:14 could just use i was saying earlier, in the absence of an awesome kernel hack or something it just doesn't make sense05:14
Sazpaimonteleshoes, i did mv /home/user/.aegis /home/user/.aegis205:14
Sazpaimonthen rebooted05:14
teleshoesthe only reason, itsnotabigtruck, that im interested in removing this from open mode05:14
Sazpaimonafter i re-entered my passwords and agreed for that posistioning thing, i never had to do it again05:15
teleshoesis to make sure i can do this if pr1.3 murders inception05:15
itsnotabigtruckhopefully they won't sneak in the 'fix' for this in pr1.3 nolo05:15
itsnotabigtruckwhich is probably a valid reason for not having spread the disclaimer-cal word before05:15
teleshoesi guess both are pretty vulnerable05:15
itsnotabigtruckoh, also, remember that booting in closed mode will reset the disclaimer unless you mess with the script that updates the images during boot05:15
Sazpaimoni think you could also do some magic with apscli05:16
itsnotabigtruckso don't reboot before going into open mode05:16
Sazpaimonbut really it was easier just to say fuck it and remove .aegis05:16
Sazpaimonalso, since youre already in open mode, you'll need to reflash the whole thing anyway, to remove the disclaimer05:18
Sazpaimonsince iirc you cant freely go to and from open mode without a reflash05:19
teleshoesthat i knew05:19
teleshoeswhich sucks alot05:19
teleshoesbecause i have to resync my music library over night05:19
Sazpaimoni miss my sd card on my N90005:20
teleshoeswhats wrong with them?05:20
teleshoeswas it just to upsell us?05:20
Sazpaimonbecause the N9 was the product of outdated and held back design05:21
teleshoesitsnotabigtruck so i think im going to switch to openmode for awhile; does inception work on it?05:25
itsnotabigtruckteleshoes: it does...though dpkg -i foo.deb05:26
itsnotabigtruckdoes pretty much the same thing as incept05:26
teleshoesis that all incept does?05:27
itsnotabigtruckwell, that isn't allowed in non-open mode, incept works differently05:27
itsnotabigtruckbut the net effect is the same, installing into a trusted domain05:28
teleshoesi know inception isnt useful on openmode, i just want to pretend that im on closed mode05:28
teleshoesso i can drop inception or openmode when one of them turns on me05:28
teleshoesthe only reason i wasnt doing this before is the BSW05:29
itsnotabigtruckprobably the big difference between using AEGIS_FIXED_ORIGIN and inception is that inception puts everything in a separate domain, which causes those things to be de-privileged if you uninstall the policy package05:31
itsnotabigtruckwhich is both good and bad05:31
teleshoesi see05:32
itsnotabigtruckwhereas if you put the packages in they're not distinct from os packages at all05:32
itsnotabigtruckone feature that someone asked for a while back was a command to inquire about what packages have been incepted05:34
itsnotabigtruckand a feature that i thought about putting in inception 0.1 was a trusted launcher to replace opensh05:34
itsnotabigtrucka la sudo05:34
teleshoesthat would be FANTASTIC05:35
teleshoesboth of those sound nice05:35
itsnotabigtruckthe problem with the trusted launcher was - syntax05:36
itsnotabigtrucki'm not sure how to make the command line syntax usable05:37
teleshoesi dont see the problem05:38
itsnotabigtruckteleshoes: well, obviously specifying every single credential you want on the command line isn't very convenient05:39
itsnotabigtruckand all or nothing isn't always what you want05:39
itsnotabigtruckwhat do you think05:39
teleshoesoh, i imagined all or nothing05:39
teleshoesso all args from the left that start with a - should be args to inceptdo05:40
teleshoesand the first non-hyphen-prefixed arg should be the start of the cmd05:40
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itsnotabigtruckbut how to specify which credentials05:40
teleshoesinceptdo -gprs::audio cmd05:40
teleshoesor whatever the things are05:40
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itsnotabigtruckthere's 33 linux capabilities (which make up root access)05:41
itsnotabigtruckplus tcb, a number of supplementary groups, and tons of custom credentials05:41
teleshoesfor linux, i imagine inceptdo -CAP_SETGID=on05:41
itsnotabigtruckbut what if you want to do all the caps in one fell swoop, which is pretty common05:42
itsnotabigtrucksomething like inceptdo +CAP::* cmd might make sense but that quickly gets unwieldy05:42
teleshoesi see, so there are just too many permutations to be useful05:42
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itsnotabigtruckit would be possible to chain aegis-exec to inceptdo for more specific control05:43
itsnotabigtruckaegis-exec allows adding/removing privileges one by one05:43
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teleshoesyou could simply make a giant list of all the permissions, and allow a regex for them05:44
teleshoesinceptdo -h05:45
itsnotabigtruckregex would be kinda overkill but that's what the wildcard match approach would be05:45
teleshoesinceptdo +'CAP::.*' -CAP::FOWNER05:45
teleshoesalso, its bad to have a complex input language05:45
teleshoesespecially on something security related05:45
teleshoesthats the source of nearly all security holes05:46
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itsnotabigtruckanother thing somebody wanted was a program that would regenerate the refhashlist from the current system statre05:46
teleshoeswhats that?05:46
itsnotabigtruckthough that could be a security risk if someone owned one of your files, but that would be a small risk among many major ones05:47
itsnotabigtruck*system state05:47
itsnotabigtrucki.e. hash all the files and update aegis with them05:47
teleshoesi see05:47
teleshoesyea, i dont see the risk there05:48
itsnotabigtruckbecause it only requires root access to modify a file05:48
itsnotabigtruckit requires tcb access to register it with aegis05:49
itsnotabigtruckbut if you couldn't get tcb access with root access, inception wouldn't exist05:49
teleshoesso, the best feature here would be a state-of-the-inception05:49
teleshoeswhat packages youve incepted and their install status, etc05:50
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itsnotabigtruckwell, i was just going to look up packages in the inception domain and print them out...i guess i could pass them to dpkg and print out other info too05:51
itsnotabigtruckthough it's possible to have info for a package in aegis and not in dpkg05:51
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itsnotabigtruckthat's what happens every time you try to install something as non-root and it fails05:52
itsnotabigtruckor when there's a stale dpkg lock05:54
itsnotabigtruckteleshoes ^05:59
teleshoesi see06:00
teleshoeshow about if it just fails generally?06:00
teleshoeslike, package deps06:00
teleshoesit goes in aegis anyway?06:00
itsnotabigtruckteleshoes: yeah, aegis updates regardless of whether dpkg fails, usually06:01
teleshoesi see06:02
itsnotabigtruckalso i just made it test for a dpkg lock file so it doesn't fail later because of that06:02
teleshoesquick q about emmc quick erase06:04
teleshoesso im flashing the emmc to get back out of openmode into closedmode06:04
teleshoesfirmware + emmc06:05
itsnotabigtrucki'm not sure you actually have to do the emmc for that, you'll have the signon/aegisfs problems if you don't though06:05
teleshoesso i do that first, and then do --erase-mmc=quick?06:05
itsnotabigtruckbut you don't really care about that06:05
itsnotabigtruckyou would do the erase-mmc with the main image flash06:05
itsnotabigtrucknot the emmc flash06:05
itsnotabigtruckerase-mmc, i think, does the entire emmc06:06
itsnotabigtruckthe rootfs is on the emmc06:06
itsnotabigtruckrather confusing because the 'emmc image' isn't for the entire emmc06:06
itsnotabigtruckemmc has 3 parts06:06
teleshoesits only part#1?06:06
itsnotabigtruckmydocs, userdata, and rootfs06:06
itsnotabigtruckemmc just does the 1st one and maybe the 2nd06:06
teleshoesdef the second06:07
teleshoes /home is on it06:07
teleshoesand the first06:07
itsnotabigtruckwhereas cal/kernel/nolo are on the nand06:07
teleshoesi thought emmc did the rootfs as well06:07
teleshoesso i totally DONT want to do that, i just wanna do the firmware image06:08
teleshoesthen boot, disclaimer-cal, openkernel06:08
itsnotabigtruckerase-mmc = wipes rootfs/userdata/mydocs (i think - haven't tested)06:15
itsnotabigtruckflashing main image = wipes rootfs only06:15
itsnotabigtruckflashing emmc image = wipes userdata+mydocs only06:16
itsnotabigtruckso you want to do06:16
itsnotabigtruckflasher -f -F main.img --erase-mmc=quick06:16
itsnotabigtruckflasher -f -F emmc.img06:16
itsnotabigtruckflasher -f --kernel=foo06:17
teleshoesi dont want to erase my mydocs if i dont absolutely have to, to convince it im not in openmode06:17
itsnotabigtruckyou don't need to touch mydocs going *out* of open mode, if you don't mind it being a bit broken06:17
itsnotabigtruckthat phase is just temporary for the disclaimer tweak06:17
teleshoesmm, i see06:18
teleshoesi hate having to boot twice every time to enable 'dev mode'06:19
teleshoestheres absolutely no reason for the reboot06:20
itsnotabigtruckthere sort of is06:26
itsnotabigtruckit's to enable aegis relaxed mode06:26
teleshoesheh, what i really mean is that wanting a terminal shouldnt imply that06:26
itsnotabigtruckrelaxed mode can't be enabled after booting without the unseal hack (e.g. aegisctl)06:26
teleshoesall i really wanna do is set a user passwd, so i can ssh in run the rest of my bootstrapping06:28
itsnotabigtruckwell, you could install meecatalog and get meego terminal06:28
teleshoesthats longer, tho, and externally dependent06:28
teleshoesrequires internet, i mean06:28
itsnotabigtruckso does dev mode :p06:28
teleshoesoh yea06:29
teleshoesi just wish a user password was set by default06:29
teleshoeswell i can confirm that openmode works, and i have no disclaimer!06:34
teleshoesso we now have two more-or-less equivalent paths to the same end06:34
teleshoesi can also confirm that absolutely everything is fine with aegis keys, if you just 'rm -rf /home/user/.aegis' and reboot06:41
teleshoesenter your passwords at startup, and never have to enter them again06:41
teleshoessignon/aegisfs aside, this is a victory for science06:42
Sazpaimondev mode sets a user password for the developer account06:47
Sazpaimonso all you really need is the sdk program and openssh06:47
Sazpaimonnot actually all of the developer-mode metapackage06:48
Sazpaimon[23:40] <teleshoes> i can also confirm that absolutely everything is fine with aegis keys, if you just 'rm -rf /home/user/.aegis' and reboot06:48
Sazpaimonglad to hear it worked06:48
teleshoesthanks again06:48
Sazpaimononly problem ive been having recently is my GPS is buggy06:49
Sazpaimonlike, when using drive, it will jump all over the map06:49
Sazpaimonor be unresponsive completely06:49
Sazpaimonkind of annoying, but its okay because i semi-know where Im going most of the time06:49
teleshoesthat happens to me occasionally06:49
teleshoesmy last reflash fixed it06:49
Sazpaimonit happens to me consistently06:49
teleshoestry resetting cities06:50
itsnotabigtruckhm, this incepted package query business is a bit more complicated than i anticipated06:50
Sazpaimonits not a huge deal because i dont actually *own* a car06:51
Sazpaimonbut i occasionally will drive one06:51
Sazpaimonso lets see if codesourcery will build me a working kernel06:51
Sazpaimonits the same toolchain e-yes used06:52
Sazpaimonso if this doesnt work, i dont know what will06:52
teleshoesfuck, i HATE how installing bash06:53
teleshoesUnpacking bash (from .../bash_4.1-3+maemo6+0m6_armel.deb) ...06:53
teleshoesThe bash upgrade discovered that your /bin/sh link points to busybox.06:53
teleshoesAs bash for Debian is destined to provide a working /bin/sh (pointing to06:53
teleshoes/bin/bash) your link will be overwritten by a default link.06:53
teleshoesIf you don't want further upgrades to overwrite your customization, please06:53
teleshoesread /usr/share/doc/bash/README.Debian.gz for a more permanent solution.06:53
teleshoes[Press RETURN to continue]06:53
teleshoesand it doesnt actually show up in my ssh bootstrapper because of line buffering06:54
teleshoesgets me every time06:54
Sazpaimonokay, this begets me a zImage that's only about 100 bytes different06:55
Sazpaimonnot exactly the same, but closer than what I got06:55
Sazpaimon*got with scratchbox06:55
Sazpaimonlet me flash it and see what happens06:55
teleshoeswhats in this kernel youre makin?06:55
Sazpaimonits the nitdroid kernel06:56
Sazpaimonwith some changes to hopefully allow it to boot nemo too06:56
Sazpaimonnope, this wont boot either06:59
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itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon teleshoes: so, any advice on the credential selection issue07:00
itsnotabigtruckthe full blown wildcard selection thing seems like too much07:00
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teleshoesat least allow enumerated +PERM -PERM args07:03
teleshoesno need for -PERM, i guess07:03
itsnotabigtruckteleshoes: well, would it start from the empty set or the inherited set07:03
teleshoesinherited set, mm07:04
itsnotabigtruckif it inherits stuff it makes sense to have -perm07:04
teleshoesso -perm07:04
teleshoesok, so yea, just enumerate -perm +perm07:04
teleshoesvery important feature07:04
teleshoesis -h07:04
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teleshoesor whatever07:04
itsnotabigtruckbut aegis-exec already offers that kind of thing07:04
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teleshoesto list the perms07:04
teleshoesso maybe its not terrible useful07:04
itsnotabigtrucke.g. inceptdo aegis-exec -c -a perm -a perm -a perm sh07:04
itsnotabigtruckvs inceptdo +perm +perm +perm sh07:05
teleshoesthe perms are well defined?07:05
teleshoesi mean, there is an easy way to list them?07:05
itsnotabigtruckit's not very easy to list all of them07:05
itsnotabigtruckat least without having a program that asserts all of them like opensh07:05
teleshoesit would be nice, then, if this could07:06
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itsnotabigtruckwere it all or nothing one could jut do07:06
itsnotabigtruckinceptdo accli -I07:06
itsnotabigtruckone thing is that if all credentials are asserted, the source id check is really problematic07:07
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Sazpaimonnope, this other branch of the N9 nitdroid kernel also wont boot07:11
* Sazpaimon rolls eyes07:11
Sazpaimonguess Ill yell at e-yes when he comes around07:11
teleshoeshey, itsnotabigtruck, you were the one who was talking with MohammadAG about getting a binary repo set up for 1.2 sources right?07:13
teleshoesanything come out of that?07:13
Sazpaimonteleshoes, yes07:16
teleshoesno, a binary repo07:16
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Sazpaimonmisread, sorry07:16
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itsnotabigtruckteleshoes: nope, nothing on that front07:23
teleshoesi especially want python-pyside.qttest07:23
teleshoesand libc6-dev, of course07:23
teleshoesholy shit thats cool07:29
teleshoeshey so when im installing a bunch of debs with aegis-fixed-origin07:30
teleshoesthe phone occasionally reboots07:30
teleshoesright in the middle07:31
teleshoesi just resume, maybe do a dpkg --config -a07:31
teleshoesand its aight07:31
teleshoesbut it took me 4 reboots just now to install these07:31
teleshoesad-hac_1.0_all.deb adobe-flashplayer_4_448620.0.0-73.1_armel.deb btinput_1_432400.0.0_armel.deb btinput-terminal_1_445544.0.0_armel.deb emumaster_0_367960.2.2_armel.deb fbreader_0_403398.99.5_armel.deb fennec_11_443205.0.0.1_armel.deb folder-gallery_1.10.2_armel_harmattan.deb gconfik_1.1.0_armel.deb gstreamer0.10-tools_0.10.34-0maemo2+0m6_armel.deb libgtkspell0_2.0.16-1_armel.deb liblaunchpad-integration1_0.1.35_armel.de07:31
itsnotabigtruckbtw why are you installing all of those with fixed origin07:33
teleshoesim not sure whether it would or wouldnt have rebooted 4x with inception07:33
itsnotabigtruckshouldn't be necessary for any of them07:33
teleshoesit is for most of em07:33
teleshoesjust not all07:33
itsnotabigtrucknot ad-hac, flash, bitinput, emumaster, gstreamer tools, ...07:33
teleshoesthose are fine07:33
teleshoeslibgtkspell, liblaunchpad, libpurple, pidgin07:34
teleshoesmplayer, i think07:34
teleshoessome, not most07:34
teleshoesprobably 6 of them07:34
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teleshoesi incept everything i download from the ovi store for no reason07:35
teleshoesi should separate out loose debs that come from the store and loose debs that are hacked together nonsense07:36
teleshoeslike my pidgin07:36
itsnotabigtruckyou can check if something is an ovi package with ar t07:36
itsnotabigtrucksee if it has an _x509sig07:36
Sazpaimonif anyone sees e-yes and im not here, can you ask him how the dualboot kernel is built and what sources are used for it07:40
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x29aheyho folks, i was wondering if anybody had experience with accessing the wireless lan low level scan features. i think i am on track with the osso-wlan lib, but i fear permission restrictions. since i dont own an n9 yet, its more a theoretical question, im just looking for good entrypoints to the problem14:23
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rigox29a, you should own an N9 :)15:20
rigoI had some experience with aegis, the security system, that tells me that in order to get low level access to the wlan scan etc, you need to talk to itsnotabigtruck15:21
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jonniheh scary, I nuked my imei to 000000000000000 by 'accident'(by playing with things I shoudnt have) :-), luckily I had backup15:37
alteregoYou changed the IMEI of your phone?!15:38
alteregoThat shouldn't be possible ..15:39
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fluxjonni, it would've been interesting to know if that's the IMEI it also told the phone network :)15:44
jonniheh, I also changed the mac in the wlan0, which isnt possible either :)15:46
alteregoChanging the MAC is possible.15:47
alteregoThe IMEI should be protected on the baseband.15:47
jonnianyways I changed things back to normal. It might be that with RDC I had a bit too much power to mess with things :)15:48
rigonah, changing the mac in the wlan is easy in linux15:50
jonniR&D certificate15:50
rigoI have a friend who has done a script to change mac every 10min so that you don't need a subscription at CDG Airport ...15:50
pawkyI am all ears in how you succeeded to change the IMEI :-D15:50
pawkyif you could do that, I suppose you could also change it to whatever :-)15:51
rigohey, I wouldn't publish that, because IMEI is a security in case of stolen phones15:51
pawkythen Nokia phones could be a cheap alternative in the long run ;-)15:51
jonniheh, sorry wont give out details... but might raise internal bug report :)15:51
pawkycome on... don't be shy :-)15:51
pawkyI thought it was burned into a ROM...15:52
rigointeresting economic model: By making IMEI changeable, phones are stolen more often, thus people will by new phones from insurance15:52
jonnipawky: heh, and there was a side effect that phone doesnt boot and is not flashable before you do some revocy actions :)15:52
jonniso basicly it causes a brick if normal people would try it15:53
pawkyyeah.. 00000 would... but how about putting another IMEI there? :-)15:53
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jonninot even trying, I have no interest to test that further, it was just accident when I tried to do something else :)15:54
pawkyif you succeed to get it to be 0000, i assume either you just made it none readable, or its in the flash :-)15:54
jonnijust noticed that when I did accli -I and it returned bunch of zeroes as imei.15:55
pawkyhmm.. a new world opens up... suddenly its not as obvious any more wether an IMEI is enough proof if someone has been at a specific spot at a specific time any more :-)15:56
pawkyvery interesting... ;-)15:56
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jonniI didnt make any calls, so it still might be that basebands reports right imei to the world.15:57
jonnimost likely accli just gets imei from some other world readable place15:58
fluxpawky, I think some old certain version of a Nokia phone was popular among certain people for its mutable IMEI..15:58
fluxperhaps other reasons as well15:58
fluxor only :-)15:58
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alteregoAnyone know how to properly cope with switching in/out of an application that uses a QML ShaderEffectItem?16:23
alteregoIt loses the GL context and can't get it back.16:23
tommamake it not to luse gl context16:24
alteregoErm ..16:24
alteregoThen you can't use shader items ..16:24
tommafor example with quick 3d you need to set QGlWidget as viewport16:25
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macmaNsup peep17:13
macmaNis there an internet access point shortcut app available yet?17:13
macmaNid like to get connected to my 3G with single-click17:14
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macmaNwait damn17:14
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itsnotabigtruckx29a: i don't think you need very special permissions for wifi scanning18:06
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itsnotabigtruckjust make sure you identify and assert all the permissions you need18:07
itsnotabigtrucke.g. iktwo released a wlan scanner that didn't work due to ignoring aegis permissions entirely18:07
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itsnotabigtruckbtw has anyone seen ajalkane around18:13
itsnotabigtrucklooks like last time he was here was a few days ago18:14
bef0rd~seen ajalkane18:16
* bef0rd slaps infobot 18:16
infobotajalkane <> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 2d 16h 59m 42s ago, saying: 'With these nuggets of wisdom, I depart to sleep'.18:16
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Sazpaimonin R&D mode, the charging indicator blinks rapidly18:20
Sazpaimonis that like, disk activity?18:20
Sazpaimonsame with the red LED around the flash18:20
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itsnotabigtruckthat's metal bands per capita18:24
itsnotabigtruckScandinavia is pretty fucking metal. ("18:24
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Corsacmhmh, is Elliot Walk around?18:52
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Sazpaimontgalal, you should troll the whatsapp beggers by saying "every time someone asks for an update, the project will get delayed a week"20:13
Sazpaimonjust saying20:13
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Sazpaimone-yes, did you do anything different with the dualboot binary youre distributing other than change CONFIG_LOCALVERSION to add the timestamp?20:52
Sazpaimonand is it the same as nitdroid-n9-2.6.32_draft320:53
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Sazpaimone-yes_, you get my last message?20:56
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e-yes_Sazpaimon, it's one of builds from draft3 branch21:05
e-yes_Sazpaimon, why are you asking?21:05
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Sazpaimone-yes_, was trying to get it to build21:10
Sazpaimoni couldnt get it to boot, but then finally noticed that CONFIG_LOCALVERSION was set to just -dfl6121:11
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Sazpaimonsetting it to -dfl61-20115101 made it work, since thats what /lib/modules was expecting21:11
e-yes_root@android:/ # uname -a21:11
e-yes_Linux localhost #6 PREEMPT Sat Mar 17 23:09:26 MSK 2012 armv7l GNU/Linux21:11
Sazpaimonbut doing just make zImage with the nitdroid defconfig gave me
e-yes_yeah, make tries to take localversion by parsing ../../changelog.Debian21:14
Sazpaimonjust cp debian/changelog to ../../changelog.Debian21:15
SazpaimonI'll remember that next time21:15
Sazpaimonanyway, I added some patches from nemo to attempt to get it to boot with sillyboot, but its just shutting down...21:16
Sazpaimonan strace isnt helping, it just gives me an empty strace log21:16
Sazpaimonno, nemo21:16
Sazpaimontrying to build a kernel that supports nitdroid, harmattan and nemo21:17
Sazpaimonstrange that nemo's init isnt even doing anything21:17
e-yes_ah. btw, how functional nemo is? is it something i have to try? or may be it's on some early development stage?21:18
e-yes_btw, try to add "2>&1" before redirecting strace's output21:18
Sazpaimoni havent gotten a lot of use out of it21:18
tehdelyi find that strace works better if i pronounce it like it was italian21:18
Sazpaimonim just doing exec /usr/bin/strace -o /init.strace.log -f -s 128 /usr/sbin/chroot /mnt/$(printf "%s" $os |cut -d'|' -f2) $(printf "%s" $os |cut -d'|' -f3)21:19
Sazpaimonthose printtfs are the mountpoint and init script of the selected os21:19
Sazpaimonit works for nitdroid, it populates the init.strace.log file just fine21:19
Sazpaimonnemo, though, just gives me an empty file21:19
Sazpaimonas far as nemo's usability, its not bad21:20
Sazpaimonbut yeah, i'll append > log 2>&1 to that entire command21:22
Sazpaimonmight help21:22
Sazpaimonalso 0 bytes21:26
Sazpaimonreally weird21:26
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bindiI would kill for an harmattan OS on a device like.. say.. my galaxy nexus22:42
Sazpaimonbindi, then do it22:49
bindican't :p22:49
Sazpaimoncan't what? kill for it?22:49
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Sazpaimonyou wouldnt need to kill for it, maybe just hold someone at gunpoint22:50
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rigobindi, do you have an N9?23:06
bindiwell, my mum does :D23:06
rigoso much slower that you dream harmattan on something like galaxy?23:06
bindii just like the UI23:07
itsnotabigtruckbindi: or you could wait for n9s to get a little cheaper and just buy one23:07
bindior UX or w/e you call it23:07
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bindiitsnotabigtruck: nah, already got the galaxy nexus, i'll stick to it hardware-wise and all that :P23:07
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Sazpaimonalright, got busybox telnetd working23:09
Sazpaimonnow to figure out why nemo isnt booting23:09
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Sazpaimonor telnet can immediately close the connection, sure that works too23:18
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teleshoesdoes anybody know where "Turn display on by double tapping" is?23:31
teleshoesis it a gconf?23:31
itsnotabigtruckit must be23:32
teleshoesi certainly hope so, but i missed it somehow23:32
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teleshoeshey, where is the gconf on the filesystem on dis ting anyway?23:39
fralsgconftool-2 -R / not good enough?23:44
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teleshoesi wanted to find the schemas23:46
teleshoesfound em23:46
teleshoesbut yea, itd be nice to actually have my values be greppable23:46
teleshoesa la ~/.gconf23:46
teleshoeson debian systems23:46
teleshoesi guess 'gconftool-2 -R /' is better anyway23:47
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djszapibef0rd: hey :)23:50
djszapiwhat partitioning backend do you have on Mac ?23:50
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bef0rddjszapi, partitioning backend? not sure what is that, I'm using the same defualt partitioning scheme GPT I believe23:54
djszapibef0rd: we have libparted and udisks on linux23:54
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djszapibef0rd: does any of those present on Mac ?23:59
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djszapibef0rd: for instance, if you would like to build a qt based partitioner ?23:59
bef0rdyea, I've no idea23:59

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