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| liar | has anyone of you built mupen64plus for the n9? i am confused by soft/hard vfp... | 00:52 |
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| Khertan | rishi, right | 00:58 |
| Khertan | rishi, and i ve just sucessfully made it working with zpush on my own server | 00:58 |
| * rishi nods | 00:58 | |
| Sazpaimon | damn it where is e-yes | 01:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: btw it looks like pivot_root is what is normally used during bootup | 01:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not chroot | 01:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pivot_root switches the actual root | 01:16 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | (see top of http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/initrd.txt) | 01:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it looks like the only real difference has to do with being able to umount the root | 01:18 |
| Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, pivot_root basically remounts a partition as the rootfs | 01:19 |
| Sazpaimon | you still need to, iirc, chroot into the new root and run init | 01:20 |
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| Sazpaimon | at least, man page explains it that way if I remember | 01:20 |
| Sazpaimon | http://lists.debian.org/debian-handheld/2004/12/msg00029.html | 01:21 |
| Sazpaimon | better explanation | 01:21 |
| Sazpaimon | pivot_root is for when you intend to unmount the old root | 01:21 |
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| Sazpaimon | choot is designed for a single process | 01:21 |
| Sazpaimon | but really nowadays its practically the same thing | 01:22 |
| Sazpaimon | expecially if that single process is init | 01:22 |
| Sazpaimon | which, as we know, never exits | 01:22 |
| Sazpaimon | also, i cant get a kernel to compile from e-yes's repository that matches the binary he posted | 01:23 |
| Sazpaimon | all of my images are about 100KB smaller | 01:23 |
| Sazpaimon | and they don't boot | 01:24 |
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| Sazpaimon | of course there's no way to debug *why* it doesnt boot | 01:27 |
| Sazpaimon | no kernel panic logs | 01:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: ah, hmm http://linux.die.net/man/8/pivot_root | 01:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | should have read more closely | 01:28 |
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| Sazpaimon | yeah | 01:29 |
| Sazpaimon | nowadays the difference between the two are really minimal | 01:29 |
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| Sazpaimon | man, cant figure out this kenel issue | 01:31 |
| Sazpaimon | *kernel | 01:31 |
| Sazpaimon | ive tried 3 different branches from e-yes's repo | 01:31 |
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| torarne[home] | itsnotabigtruck: everything went smooth when using dpkg-buildpackage, though i had to tweak the rules file quite a bit to my liking :) | 01:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Sazpaimon: I always thought pivot_root is able to change root for a running process, while chroot only is for new processes started in it | 02:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but well, obviously chrot is a child dir somewhere, while pivotroot actually deals with existing rootdir | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | so this implies you can't umount, or delete or whatever, the parent of a chroot. But you can and usually will umount the old rootfs of a pivot_root | 02:38 |
| Sazpaimon | yes | 02:38 |
| Sazpaimon | but for the purposes of loading an OS, its practically the same thing | 02:38 |
| Sazpaimon | with the exception that a chroot will, basically, keep the old rootfs mounted | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, exactly. And afaik you will have massive problems to tell your OS to accept the new fake rootfs of a chroot as its real root | 02:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | unless you start a new instance of your kernel/whatever in that chroot dir | 02:40 |
| Sazpaimon | why would anyone do that | 02:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | to switch from initrd to the real rootfs for example | 02:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | which is exactly the only purpose where I've seen pivot_root getting used | 02:43 |
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| Sazpaimon | anyway, i can not get this kernel to make | 02:47 |
| Sazpaimon | or rather, to boot | 02:47 |
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| Sazpaimon | tried with dpkg-buildpackage and got "scripts/Makefile.clean:17: /home/maemo/kernel-ng/drivers/staging/arlan/Makefile: No such file or directory | 02:49 |
| Sazpaimon | " | 02:49 |
| Sazpaimon | regular make just gives me an unbootable zImage | 02:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what means unbootable? does uboot not start, or does the kernel not start? | 02:55 |
| Sazpaimon | it doesnt boot to the OS | 02:56 |
| Sazpaimon | it shows the nokia logo, then preinit finishes, then nothing | 02:56 |
| Sazpaimon | also, the multiboot message that says to press volup to boot an alternate OS doesnt respond to VolUp | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | preinit finishes? o.O | 02:57 |
| Sazpaimon | the preinit script | 02:58 |
| Sazpaimon | you know, /sbin/preinit? | 02:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | this means both uboot and kernel got started and are fine | 03:20 |
| Sazpaimon | DocScrutinizer, yes Im aware | 03:22 |
| Sazpaimon | but for some reason it doesnt actually get to the OS | 03:22 |
| Sazpaimon | and there's no way for me to actually determine why | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | if I had to guess, I'd bet on your kernel modules not matching the kernel | 03:26 |
| Sazpaimon | thats entirely possible, but i dont know why that would be | 03:26 |
| Sazpaimon | its the same kenel version | 03:26 |
| Sazpaimon | *kernel | 03:26 |
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| Sazpaimon | ..strangely, include/config/kernel.release says 2.6.32.39-dfl61 | 03:34 |
| Sazpaimon | which is what, PR1.1? | 03:34 |
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| Sazpaimon | really strange | 03:36 |
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| teleshoes | aww, no binary pkg for python-pyside.qttest | 03:49 |
| teleshoes | nokias such a dick | 03:50 |
| Sazpaimon | I frequently wish some other company made maemo | 03:50 |
| teleshoes | i just wish they werent such an asshole | 03:51 |
| teleshoes | they went through and decided what packages they only want to be installed in scratchbox and deliberately didnt release the binaries for em | 03:51 |
| Sazpaimon | nokia would probably way down on the list of companies I want to produce a moblile OS | 03:51 |
| Sazpaimon | you know, like maemo | 03:51 |
| teleshoes | along with...microsoft, apple, and google | 03:51 |
| Sazpaimon | and intel | 03:51 |
| teleshoes | intel is high up on my list, though | 03:51 |
| Sazpaimon | intel has already shown with meego that they can make a high quality open OS | 03:52 |
| Sazpaimon | but since theyre intel, they can afford to can it whenever they want | 03:52 |
| teleshoes | mm | 03:52 |
| teleshoes | problematic | 03:52 |
| teleshoes | i dont really see why we need mobile oses | 03:52 |
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| teleshoes | anyone know why i cant backspace in vim? | 04:07 |
| teleshoes | on my n9, thatis | 04:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | eh, intel also has an extreme lack of commitment to anything | 04:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | a huge part of what they've ever done outside of their core business has been cancelled months to years in | 04:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | their core products are damn good, it's just that they won't hold on to other things long enough to have them become actually profitable | 04:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also teleshoes: vi or vim | 04:17 |
| teleshoes | vim | 04:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | busybox's vi doesn't let you backspace a newline | 04:17 |
| teleshoes | yea, this is the vim in i think rzrs repo | 04:17 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah this thing still isnt booting | 04:25 |
| Sazpaimon | i made sure the kenel version was correct | 04:25 |
| Sazpaimon | and it's still breaking | 04:25 |
| Sazpaimon | looks like e-yes used Sourcery to compile the kernel | 04:37 |
| Sazpaimon | i guess ill try that | 04:37 |
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| teleshoes | thp: hello! ive got a quick question | 04:41 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon teleshoes (+ anyone else on): any suggestions on how to make inception better? | 04:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | besides keeping it working once PR1.3's out of course | 04:59 |
| teleshoes | magical role-based permissions | 04:59 |
| teleshoes | and candy | 04:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hah | 05:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, role based access control would be nice - and would require heavy duty kernel (and userspace) hacking :( | 05:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's a real shame, security's all about letting the user in and keeping everyone else out, but it seems like there's no way to achieve that on harmattan | 05:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | teleshoes ^ | 05:02 |
| teleshoes | yea | 05:03 |
| Sazpaimon | i dont use inception | 05:03 |
| Sazpaimon | and to be honest am not very interested in it | 05:03 |
| teleshoes | aw, you probably should, its nice | 05:03 |
| Sazpaimon | plus, I think with nitdroid around the corner, more people will be using open mode | 05:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | except that both harmattan w/ open mode and nitdroid are terribly broken atm | 05:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nitdroid's getting better but harmattan open mode isn't | 05:04 |
| teleshoes | harmattan w/ openmode is broken? | 05:04 |
| Sazpaimon | i disagree | 05:04 |
| Sazpaimon | it works just fine if you arent converting from closed mode | 05:04 |
| Sazpaimon | a fresh reflash with an openmode kernel and no user data works fine | 05:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | everything seems to indicate that signon/aegisfs/aps are at least a little bit borked | 05:05 |
| Sazpaimon | nope | 05:05 |
| teleshoes | oh, i got mine working recently | 05:05 |
| Sazpaimon | its just the way aegis treats open mode | 05:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and no one seems to be doing anything with open mode that can't be done with inception | 05:05 |
| Sazpaimon | it uses a different shared key | 05:05 |
| Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, running android | 05:05 |
| teleshoes | itsnotabigtruck thats definitely true | 05:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: apart from that | 05:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm not seeing anything like awesome customized kernels | 05:05 |
| teleshoes | ehh, that doesnt count | 05:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | customized beyond patching out a couple lines in aegis | 05:06 |
| Sazpaimon | nitdroid's kernel is customized beyond that | 05:06 |
| Sazpaimon | but ok | 05:06 |
| Sazpaimon | nitdroid doesnt count | 05:06 |
| Sazpaimon | even though harmattan runs on it | 05:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's about 6 months in and it seems like there's basically no progress on open mode | 05:06 |
| Sazpaimon | you could say that about HARM in generl | 05:06 |
| Sazpaimon | *general | 05:06 |
| teleshoes | heh | 05:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no disclaimer customizers, easy installers, cool apps, and so on | 05:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | inception has the cool apps problem too though :( | 05:07 |
| Sazpaimon | you can custoomize the disclaimer fine | 05:07 |
| Sazpaimon | *customize | 05:07 |
| teleshoes | the only advantage of openmode > inception, | 05:07 |
| Sazpaimon | you just need to do it in closed mode first | 05:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no one explored that until something like a week ago | 05:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the tools still aren't fully baked | 05:07 |
| Sazpaimon | i, personally, disabled the disclaimer in closed mode, and then flashed open mode fine | 05:07 |
| teleshoes | is that inception takes a teensy bit more effort | 05:07 |
| teleshoes | WHOA | 05:07 |
| teleshoes | Sazpaimon, where is this? | 05:07 |
| teleshoes | disclaimer removal?? | 05:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so deleting the disclaimer image does in fact disable the disclaimer? | 05:08 |
| teleshoes | it doesnt for me!! | 05:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | teleshoes: well, did you do it from open mode | 05:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you can't touch it after going open | 05:08 |
| teleshoes | yea........ | 05:08 |
| teleshoes | fuck | 05:08 |
| teleshoes | but wait! | 05:08 |
| teleshoes | if i do it in closed | 05:08 |
| teleshoes | then switch | 05:08 |
| Sazpaimon | disclaimer-cal remove View-openmode | 05:08 |
| teleshoes | my keys are fucked up | 05:08 |
| Sazpaimon | run that in closed mode | 05:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so why wasn't this explored 6 months ago, instead of trickling out months and months later | 05:08 |
| Sazpaimon | then flash open mode | 05:09 |
| Sazpaimon | done | 05:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | this kinda proves my point | 05:09 |
| Sazpaimon | or | 05:09 |
| teleshoes | wait, how do you both do this, AND not have your accounts prompt for passwords | 05:09 |
| Sazpaimon | disclaimer-cal write View-openmove custom-image.rle | 05:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the proponents of open mode have basically done nothing to support open mode | 05:09 |
| Sazpaimon | that sets a custom image | 05:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | when it comes to documentation, tutorials, and tools | 05:09 |
| Sazpaimon | teleshoes, for accounts, the easiest way is to wipe your user data | 05:09 |
| Sazpaimon | then re-set up your accounts | 05:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in fact a lot of the info is nowhere written | 05:09 |
| teleshoes | where wipe-your-user-data means? | 05:10 |
| Sazpaimon | basically reflash the emmc and do --secure-erase-data | 05:10 |
| Sazpaimon | or whatever its called | 05:10 |
| teleshoes | i have a script that inserts my accounts into the db after i reflash | 05:10 |
| teleshoes | oh, | 05:10 |
| teleshoes | so flash everything closed mode, | 05:10 |
| Sazpaimon | no | 05:10 |
| teleshoes | boot the phone | 05:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | try --erase-mmc=quick instead | 05:10 |
| teleshoes | kill the disclaimer | 05:10 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah | 05:10 |
| teleshoes | flash the emmc | 05:10 |
| teleshoes | and flash the openkernel | 05:11 |
| Sazpaimon | right | 05:11 |
| teleshoes | coooooooool | 05:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | specifically | 05:11 |
| Sazpaimon | if youre working with a completely fresh flash though, there's no need to flash the emmc | 05:11 |
| Sazpaimon | just completely reflash the phone, rootfs, emmc, everything | 05:11 |
| teleshoes | right, but once i boot into open mode, | 05:11 |
| teleshoes | into CLOSED mode | 05:11 |
| teleshoes | i mean | 05:11 |
| Sazpaimon | skip creating the nokia account, install developer tools | 05:11 |
| Sazpaimon | remove the disclaimer | 05:11 |
| Sazpaimon | then flash open mode kernel | 05:11 |
| Sazpaimon | then create your user accounts | 05:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | a) flash main image, b) mess with disclaimer, c) flash main+emmc and use --erase-mmc=quick on the main image flash, d) flash a kernel of your choice | 05:12 |
| teleshoes | sweet, thanks guys | 05:12 |
| Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, you could probably combine a and c | 05:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or alternately boot an unauthorized kernel once and have vanilla open mode | 05:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: but you need to expunge everything from the 1st boot | 05:12 |
| Sazpaimon | as long as the device has no accounts or anything that uses aegisfs set up, youre fine | 05:12 |
| Sazpaimon | thats the main issue | 05:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just booting will set up some aps stuff | 05:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | like the aegis root of trust | 05:13 |
| teleshoes | yea, so i totally DO need to flash the emmc, right? | 05:13 |
| Sazpaimon | what I actually did was remove all the keys in /home/user/.aegis | 05:13 |
| Sazpaimon | then rebooted | 05:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | aps is on rootfs | 05:13 |
| Sazpaimon | aegis re-set that all up fine using openmode keys | 05:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (aegis protected storage) | 05:13 |
| teleshoes | sweeet | 05:13 |
| Sazpaimon | and I didnt even need to reflash | 05:14 |
| Sazpaimon | teleshoes, if you want, you can try that instead | 05:14 |
| Sazpaimon | may be easier | 05:14 |
| Sazpaimon | then again, may not | 05:14 |
| teleshoes | can i just recursively remove /home/user/.aegis/* ? | 05:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or...you could just use inception...like i was saying earlier, in the absence of an awesome kernel hack or something it just doesn't make sense | 05:14 |
| Sazpaimon | teleshoes, i did mv /home/user/.aegis /home/user/.aegis2 | 05:14 |
| teleshoes | cool | 05:14 |
| Sazpaimon | then rebooted | 05:14 |
| teleshoes | the only reason, itsnotabigtruck, that im interested in removing this from open mode | 05:14 |
| Sazpaimon | after i re-entered my passwords and agreed for that posistioning thing, i never had to do it again | 05:15 |
| teleshoes | is to make sure i can do this if pr1.3 murders inception | 05:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hopefully they won't sneak in the 'fix' for this in pr1.3 nolo | 05:15 |
| Sazpaimon | s/if/when | 05:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which is probably a valid reason for not having spread the disclaimer-cal word before | 05:15 |
| teleshoes | i guess both are pretty vulnerable | 05:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh, also, remember that booting in closed mode will reset the disclaimer unless you mess with the script that updates the images during boot | 05:15 |
| Sazpaimon | i think you could also do some magic with apscli | 05:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so don't reboot before going into open mode | 05:16 |
| Sazpaimon | but really it was easier just to say fuck it and remove .aegis | 05:16 |
| Sazpaimon | also, since youre already in open mode, you'll need to reflash the whole thing anyway, to remove the disclaimer | 05:18 |
| Sazpaimon | since iirc you cant freely go to and from open mode without a reflash | 05:19 |
| teleshoes | yea | 05:19 |
| teleshoes | that i knew | 05:19 |
| teleshoes | which sucks alot | 05:19 |
| teleshoes | because i have to resync my music library over night | 05:19 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah | 05:20 |
| Sazpaimon | i miss my sd card on my N900 | 05:20 |
| teleshoes | YEAAAAA | 05:20 |
| teleshoes | whats wrong with them? | 05:20 |
| teleshoes | was it just to upsell us? | 05:20 |
| Sazpaimon | because the N9 was the product of outdated and held back design | 05:21 |
| teleshoes | itsnotabigtruck so i think im going to switch to openmode for awhile; does inception work on it? | 05:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | teleshoes: it does...though AEGIS_FIXED_ORIGIN=com.nokia.maemo dpkg -i foo.deb | 05:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | does pretty much the same thing as incept | 05:26 |
| teleshoes | is that all incept does? | 05:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, that isn't allowed in non-open mode, incept works differently | 05:27 |
| teleshoes | ok | 05:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but the net effect is the same, installing into a trusted domain | 05:28 |
| teleshoes | mmhmm | 05:28 |
| teleshoes | i know inception isnt useful on openmode, i just want to pretend that im on closed mode | 05:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 05:28 |
| teleshoes | so i can drop inception or openmode when one of them turns on me | 05:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hehe | 05:29 |
| teleshoes | the only reason i wasnt doing this before is the BSW | 05:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | probably the big difference between using AEGIS_FIXED_ORIGIN and inception is that inception puts everything in a separate domain, which causes those things to be de-privileged if you uninstall the policy package | 05:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which is both good and bad | 05:31 |
| teleshoes | i see | 05:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | whereas if you put the packages in com.nokia.maemo they're not distinct from os packages at all | 05:32 |
| teleshoes | right | 05:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | one feature that someone asked for a while back was a command to inquire about what packages have been incepted | 05:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and a feature that i thought about putting in inception 0.1 was a trusted launcher to replace opensh | 05:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | a la sudo | 05:34 |
| teleshoes | that would be FANTASTIC | 05:35 |
| teleshoes | both of those sound nice | 05:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the problem with the trusted launcher was - syntax | 05:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm not sure how to make the command line syntax usable | 05:37 |
| teleshoes | i dont see the problem | 05:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | teleshoes: well, obviously specifying every single credential you want on the command line isn't very convenient | 05:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and all or nothing isn't always what you want | 05:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what do you think | 05:39 |
| teleshoes | oh, i imagined all or nothing | 05:39 |
| teleshoes | hmm | 05:39 |
| teleshoes | so all args from the left that start with a - should be args to inceptdo | 05:40 |
| teleshoes | and the first non-hyphen-prefixed arg should be the start of the cmd | 05:40 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | but how to specify which credentials | 05:40 |
| teleshoes | inceptdo -gprs::audio cmd | 05:40 |
| teleshoes | or whatever the things are | 05:40 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | there's 33 linux capabilities (which make up root access) | 05:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | plus tcb, a number of supplementary groups, and tons of custom credentials | 05:41 |
| teleshoes | for linux, i imagine inceptdo -CAP_SETGID=on | 05:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but what if you want to do all the caps in one fell swoop, which is pretty common | 05:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | something like inceptdo +CAP::* cmd might make sense but that quickly gets unwieldy | 05:42 |
| teleshoes | i see, so there are just too many permutations to be useful | 05:42 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | it would be possible to chain aegis-exec to inceptdo for more specific control | 05:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | aegis-exec allows adding/removing privileges one by one | 05:43 |
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| teleshoes | you could simply make a giant list of all the permissions, and allow a regex for them | 05:44 |
| teleshoes | inceptdo -h | 05:45 |
| teleshoes | perms: | 05:45 |
| teleshoes | CAP::FOWNER | 05:45 |
| teleshoes | CAP::SETGID | 05:45 |
| teleshoes | ... | 05:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | regex would be kinda overkill but that's what the wildcard match approach would be | 05:45 |
| teleshoes | inceptdo +'CAP::.*' -CAP::FOWNER | 05:45 |
| teleshoes | also, its bad to have a complex input language | 05:45 |
| teleshoes | especially on something security related | 05:45 |
| teleshoes | thats the source of nearly all security holes | 05:46 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | right | 05:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | another thing somebody wanted was a program that would regenerate the refhashlist from the current system statre | 05:46 |
| teleshoes | whats that? | 05:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though that could be a security risk if someone owned one of your files, but that would be a small risk among many major ones | 05:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | *system state | 05:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i.e. hash all the files and update aegis with them | 05:47 |
| teleshoes | ah | 05:47 |
| teleshoes | i see | 05:47 |
| teleshoes | yea, i dont see the risk there | 05:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because it only requires root access to modify a file | 05:48 |
| teleshoes | right | 05:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it requires tcb access to register it with aegis | 05:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but if you couldn't get tcb access with root access, inception wouldn't exist | 05:49 |
| teleshoes | mmhmm | 05:49 |
| teleshoes | so, the best feature here would be a state-of-the-inception | 05:49 |
| teleshoes | what packages youve incepted and their install status, etc | 05:50 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | well, i was just going to look up packages in the inception domain and print them out...i guess i could pass them to dpkg and print out other info too | 05:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though it's possible to have info for a package in aegis and not in dpkg | 05:51 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | that's what happens every time you try to install something as non-root and it fails | 05:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or when there's a stale dpkg lock | 05:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | teleshoes ^ | 05:59 |
| teleshoes | i see | 06:00 |
| teleshoes | how about if it just fails generally? | 06:00 |
| teleshoes | like, package deps | 06:00 |
| teleshoes | it goes in aegis anyway? | 06:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | teleshoes: yeah, aegis updates regardless of whether dpkg fails, usually | 06:01 |
| teleshoes | i see | 06:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also i just made it test for a dpkg lock file so it doesn't fail later because of that | 06:02 |
| teleshoes | quick q about emmc quick erase | 06:04 |
| teleshoes | so im flashing the emmc to get back out of openmode into closedmode | 06:04 |
| teleshoes | firmware + emmc | 06:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm not sure you actually have to do the emmc for that, you'll have the signon/aegisfs problems if you don't though | 06:05 |
| teleshoes | so i do that first, and then do --erase-mmc=quick? | 06:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but you don't really care about that | 06:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you would do the erase-mmc with the main image flash | 06:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not the emmc flash | 06:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | erase-mmc, i think, does the entire emmc | 06:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the rootfs is on the emmc | 06:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rather confusing because the 'emmc image' isn't for the entire emmc | 06:06 |
| teleshoes | its...not? | 06:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | emmc has 3 parts | 06:06 |
| teleshoes | its only part#1? | 06:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mydocs, userdata, and rootfs | 06:06 |
| teleshoes | mmhmm | 06:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | emmc just does the 1st one and maybe the 2nd | 06:06 |
| teleshoes | def the second | 06:07 |
| teleshoes | /home is on it | 06:07 |
| teleshoes | and the first | 06:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | whereas cal/kernel/nolo are on the nand | 06:07 |
| teleshoes | i thought emmc did the rootfs as well | 06:07 |
| teleshoes | so i totally DONT want to do that, i just wanna do the firmware image | 06:08 |
| teleshoes | then boot, disclaimer-cal, openkernel | 06:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | erase-mmc = wipes rootfs/userdata/mydocs (i think - haven't tested) | 06:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | flashing main image = wipes rootfs only | 06:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | flashing emmc image = wipes userdata+mydocs only | 06:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so you want to do | 06:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | flasher -f -F main.img --erase-mmc=quick | 06:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | flasher -f -F emmc.img | 06:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | flasher -f --kernel=foo | 06:17 |
| teleshoes | i dont want to erase my mydocs if i dont absolutely have to, to convince it im not in openmode | 06:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you don't need to touch mydocs going *out* of open mode, if you don't mind it being a bit broken | 06:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that phase is just temporary for the disclaimer tweak | 06:17 |
| teleshoes | mm, i see | 06:18 |
| teleshoes | i hate having to boot twice every time to enable 'dev mode' | 06:19 |
| teleshoes | theres absolutely no reason for the reboot | 06:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there sort of is | 06:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's to enable aegis relaxed mode | 06:26 |
| teleshoes | heh, what i really mean is that wanting a terminal shouldnt imply that | 06:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | relaxed mode can't be enabled after booting without the unseal hack (e.g. aegisctl) | 06:26 |
| teleshoes | all i really wanna do is set a user passwd, so i can ssh in run the rest of my bootstrapping | 06:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | heh | 06:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, you could install meecatalog and get meego terminal | 06:28 |
| teleshoes | thats longer, tho, and externally dependent | 06:28 |
| teleshoes | requires internet, i mean | 06:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so does dev mode :p | 06:28 |
| teleshoes | oh yea | 06:29 |
| teleshoes | i just wish a user password was set by default | 06:29 |
| teleshoes | well i can confirm that openmode works, and i have no disclaimer! | 06:34 |
| teleshoes | so we now have two more-or-less equivalent paths to the same end | 06:34 |
| teleshoes | i can also confirm that absolutely everything is fine with aegis keys, if you just 'rm -rf /home/user/.aegis' and reboot | 06:41 |
| teleshoes | enter your passwords at startup, and never have to enter them again | 06:41 |
| teleshoes | signon/aegisfs aside, this is a victory for science | 06:42 |
| Sazpaimon | well | 06:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | cool | 06:47 |
| Sazpaimon | dev mode sets a user password for the developer account | 06:47 |
| Sazpaimon | so all you really need is the sdk program and openssh | 06:47 |
| Sazpaimon | not actually all of the developer-mode metapackage | 06:48 |
| Sazpaimon | [23:40] <teleshoes> i can also confirm that absolutely everything is fine with aegis keys, if you just 'rm -rf /home/user/.aegis' and reboot | 06:48 |
| Sazpaimon | glad to hear it worked | 06:48 |
| teleshoes | thanks again | 06:48 |
| Sazpaimon | only problem ive been having recently is my GPS is buggy | 06:49 |
| Sazpaimon | like, when using drive, it will jump all over the map | 06:49 |
| Sazpaimon | or be unresponsive completely | 06:49 |
| teleshoes | yea! | 06:49 |
| Sazpaimon | kind of annoying, but its okay because i semi-know where Im going most of the time | 06:49 |
| teleshoes | that happens to me occasionally | 06:49 |
| teleshoes | my last reflash fixed it | 06:49 |
| Sazpaimon | it happens to me consistently | 06:49 |
| teleshoes | try resetting cities | 06:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hm, this incepted package query business is a bit more complicated than i anticipated | 06:50 |
| Sazpaimon | its not a huge deal because i dont actually *own* a car | 06:51 |
| Sazpaimon | but i occasionally will drive one | 06:51 |
| Sazpaimon | so lets see if codesourcery will build me a working kernel | 06:51 |
| Sazpaimon | its the same toolchain e-yes used | 06:52 |
| Sazpaimon | so if this doesnt work, i dont know what will | 06:52 |
| teleshoes | fuck, i HATE how installing bash | 06:53 |
| teleshoes | Unpacking bash (from .../bash_4.1-3+maemo6+0m6_armel.deb) ... | 06:53 |
| teleshoes | The bash upgrade discovered that your /bin/sh link points to busybox. | 06:53 |
| teleshoes | As bash for Debian is destined to provide a working /bin/sh (pointing to | 06:53 |
| teleshoes | /bin/bash) your link will be overwritten by a default link. | 06:53 |
| teleshoes | If you don't want further upgrades to overwrite your customization, please | 06:53 |
| teleshoes | read /usr/share/doc/bash/README.Debian.gz for a more permanent solution. | 06:53 |
| teleshoes | [Press RETURN to continue] | 06:53 |
| teleshoes | and it doesnt actually show up in my ssh bootstrapper because of line buffering | 06:54 |
| teleshoes | gets me every time | 06:54 |
| Sazpaimon | okay, this begets me a zImage that's only about 100 bytes different | 06:55 |
| Sazpaimon | not exactly the same, but closer than what I got | 06:55 |
| Sazpaimon | *got with scratchbox | 06:55 |
| Sazpaimon | let me flash it and see what happens | 06:55 |
| teleshoes | whats in this kernel youre makin? | 06:55 |
| Sazpaimon | its the nitdroid kernel | 06:56 |
| Sazpaimon | with some changes to hopefully allow it to boot nemo too | 06:56 |
| Sazpaimon | nope, this wont boot either | 06:59 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon teleshoes: so, any advice on the credential selection issue | 07:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the full blown wildcard selection thing seems like too much | 07:00 |
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| teleshoes | at least allow enumerated +PERM -PERM args | 07:03 |
| teleshoes | no need for -PERM, i guess | 07:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | teleshoes: well, would it start from the empty set or the inherited set | 07:03 |
| teleshoes | inherited set, mm | 07:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if it inherits stuff it makes sense to have -perm | 07:04 |
| teleshoes | so -perm | 07:04 |
| teleshoes | ok, so yea, just enumerate -perm +perm | 07:04 |
| teleshoes | very important feature | 07:04 |
| teleshoes | is -h | 07:04 |
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| teleshoes | or whatever | 07:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but aegis-exec already offers that kind of thing | 07:04 |
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| teleshoes | to list the perms | 07:04 |
| teleshoes | true | 07:04 |
| teleshoes | so maybe its not terrible useful | 07:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | e.g. inceptdo aegis-exec -c -a perm -a perm -a perm sh | 07:04 |
| teleshoes | mmhmm | 07:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | vs inceptdo +perm +perm +perm sh | 07:05 |
| teleshoes | the perms are well defined? | 07:05 |
| teleshoes | i mean, there is an easy way to list them? | 07:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's not very easy to list all of them | 07:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | at least without having a program that asserts all of them like opensh | 07:05 |
| teleshoes | it would be nice, then, if this could | 07:06 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | were it all or nothing one could jut do | 07:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | inceptdo accli -I | 07:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | one thing is that if all credentials are asserted, the source id check is really problematic | 07:07 |
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| Sazpaimon | nope, this other branch of the N9 nitdroid kernel also wont boot | 07:11 |
| * Sazpaimon rolls eyes | 07:11 | |
| Sazpaimon | guess Ill yell at e-yes when he comes around | 07:11 |
| teleshoes | hey, itsnotabigtruck, you were the one who was talking with MohammadAG about getting a binary repo set up for 1.2 sources right? | 07:13 |
| teleshoes | anything come out of that? | 07:13 |
| Sazpaimon | teleshoes, yes | 07:16 |
| Sazpaimon | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/n9sources_repo | 07:16 |
| teleshoes | no, a binary repo | 07:16 |
| Sazpaimon | oh | 07:16 |
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| Sazpaimon | misread, sorry | 07:16 |
| teleshoes | ;) | 07:16 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | teleshoes: nope, nothing on that front | 07:23 |
| teleshoes | damn | 07:23 |
| teleshoes | i especially want python-pyside.qttest | 07:23 |
| teleshoes | and libc6-dev, of course | 07:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rgmp9/boston_dynamics_incredible_jumping_robot/c45qb4i?context=2 | 07:28 |
| teleshoes | holy shit thats cool | 07:29 |
| teleshoes | lool | 07:29 |
| teleshoes | hey so when im installing a bunch of debs with aegis-fixed-origin | 07:30 |
| teleshoes | the phone occasionally reboots | 07:30 |
| teleshoes | right in the middle | 07:31 |
| teleshoes | i just resume, maybe do a dpkg --config -a | 07:31 |
| teleshoes | and its aight | 07:31 |
| teleshoes | but it took me 4 reboots just now to install these | 07:31 |
| teleshoes | ad-hac_1.0_all.deb adobe-flashplayer_4_448620.0.0-73.1_armel.deb btinput_1_432400.0.0_armel.deb btinput-terminal_1_445544.0.0_armel.deb emumaster_0_367960.2.2_armel.deb fbreader_0_403398.99.5_armel.deb fennec_11_443205.0.0.1_armel.deb folder-gallery_1.10.2_armel_harmattan.deb gconfik_1.1.0_armel.deb gstreamer0.10-tools_0.10.34-0maemo2+0m6_armel.deb libgtkspell0_2.0.16-1_armel.deb liblaunchpad-integration1_0.1.35_armel.de | 07:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | wtf | 07:32 |
| teleshoes | dunno | 07:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw why are you installing all of those with fixed origin | 07:33 |
| teleshoes | im not sure whether it would or wouldnt have rebooted 4x with inception | 07:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | shouldn't be necessary for any of them | 07:33 |
| teleshoes | it is for most of em | 07:33 |
| teleshoes | just not all | 07:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not ad-hac, flash, bitinput, emumaster, gstreamer tools, ... | 07:33 |
| teleshoes | right | 07:33 |
| teleshoes | those are fine | 07:33 |
| teleshoes | libgtkspell, liblaunchpad, libpurple, pidgin | 07:34 |
| teleshoes | mplayer, i think | 07:34 |
| teleshoes | some, not most | 07:34 |
| teleshoes | probably 6 of them | 07:34 |
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| teleshoes | i incept everything i download from the ovi store for no reason | 07:35 |
| teleshoes | i should separate out loose debs that come from the store and loose debs that are hacked together nonsense | 07:36 |
| teleshoes | like my pidgin | 07:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you can check if something is an ovi package with ar t | 07:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | see if it has an _x509sig | 07:36 |
| Sazpaimon | if anyone sees e-yes and im not here, can you ask him how the dualboot kernel is built and what sources are used for it | 07:40 |
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| x29a | heyho folks, i was wondering if anybody had experience with accessing the wireless lan low level scan features. i think i am on track with the osso-wlan lib, but i fear permission restrictions. since i dont own an n9 yet, its more a theoretical question, im just looking for good entrypoints to the problem | 14:23 |
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| rigo | x29a, you should own an N9 :) | 15:20 |
| rigo | I had some experience with aegis, the security system, that tells me that in order to get low level access to the wlan scan etc, you need to talk to itsnotabigtruck | 15:21 |
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| jonni | heh scary, I nuked my imei to 000000000000000 by 'accident'(by playing with things I shoudnt have) :-), luckily I had backup | 15:37 |
| alterego | What? | 15:38 |
| alterego | You changed the IMEI of your phone?! | 15:38 |
| alterego | That shouldn't be possible .. | 15:39 |
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| flux | jonni, it would've been interesting to know if that's the IMEI it also told the phone network :) | 15:44 |
| jonni | heh, I also changed the mac in the wlan0, which isnt possible either :) | 15:46 |
| alterego | Changing the MAC is possible. | 15:47 |
| alterego | The IMEI should be protected on the baseband. | 15:47 |
| jonni | anyways I changed things back to normal. It might be that with RDC I had a bit too much power to mess with things :) | 15:48 |
| Tronic | RDC? | 15:49 |
| rigo | nah, changing the mac in the wlan is easy in linux | 15:50 |
| jonni | R&D certificate | 15:50 |
| rigo | I have a friend who has done a script to change mac every 10min so that you don't need a subscription at CDG Airport ... | 15:50 |
| pawky | I am all ears in how you succeeded to change the IMEI :-D | 15:50 |
| pawky | if you could do that, I suppose you could also change it to whatever :-) | 15:51 |
| rigo | hey, I wouldn't publish that, because IMEI is a security in case of stolen phones | 15:51 |
| pawky | then Nokia phones could be a cheap alternative in the long run ;-) | 15:51 |
| rigo | AFAIK | 15:51 |
| jonni | heh, sorry wont give out details... but might raise internal bug report :) | 15:51 |
| pawky | come on... don't be shy :-) | 15:51 |
| pawky | I thought it was burned into a ROM... | 15:52 |
| rigo | interesting economic model: By making IMEI changeable, phones are stolen more often, thus people will by new phones from insurance | 15:52 |
| jonni | pawky: heh, and there was a side effect that phone doesnt boot and is not flashable before you do some revocy actions :) | 15:52 |
| jonni | so basicly it causes a brick if normal people would try it | 15:53 |
| pawky | yeah.. 00000 would... but how about putting another IMEI there? :-) | 15:53 |
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| jonni | not even trying, I have no interest to test that further, it was just accident when I tried to do something else :) | 15:54 |
| pawky | if you succeed to get it to be 0000, i assume either you just made it none readable, or its in the flash :-) | 15:54 |
| jonni | just noticed that when I did accli -I and it returned bunch of zeroes as imei. | 15:55 |
| pawky | hmm.. a new world opens up... suddenly its not as obvious any more wether an IMEI is enough proof if someone has been at a specific spot at a specific time any more :-) | 15:56 |
| pawky | very interesting... ;-) | 15:56 |
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| jonni | I didnt make any calls, so it still might be that basebands reports right imei to the world. | 15:57 |
| jonni | most likely accli just gets imei from some other world readable place | 15:58 |
| flux | pawky, I think some old certain version of a Nokia phone was popular among certain people for its mutable IMEI.. | 15:58 |
| flux | perhaps other reasons as well | 15:58 |
| flux | or only :-) | 15:58 |
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| alterego | Anyone know how to properly cope with switching in/out of an application that uses a QML ShaderEffectItem? | 16:23 |
| alterego | It loses the GL context and can't get it back. | 16:23 |
| tomma | make it not to luse gl context | 16:24 |
| alterego | Erm .. | 16:24 |
| tomma | lose | 16:24 |
| alterego | Then you can't use shader items .. | 16:24 |
| tomma | for example with quick 3d you need to set QGlWidget as viewport | 16:25 |
| alterego | Hmm, | 16:25 |
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| macmaN | sup peep | 17:13 |
| macmaN | peeps* | 17:13 |
| macmaN | is there an internet access point shortcut app available yet? | 17:13 |
| macmaN | id like to get connected to my 3G with single-click | 17:14 |
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| macmaN | wait damn | 17:14 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | x29a: i don't think you need very special permissions for wifi scanning | 18:06 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | just make sure you identify and assert all the permissions you need | 18:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | e.g. iktwo released a wlan scanner that didn't work due to ignoring aegis permissions entirely | 18:07 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | btw has anyone seen ajalkane around | 18:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | looks like last time he was here was a few days ago | 18:14 |
| bef0rd | ~seen ajalkane | 18:16 |
| * bef0rd slaps infobot | 18:16 | |
| infobot | ajalkane <~ajalkane@a88-115-212-112.elisa-laajakaista.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 2d 16h 59m 42s ago, saying: 'With these nuggets of wisdom, I depart to sleep'. | 18:16 |
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| Sazpaimon | in R&D mode, the charging indicator blinks rapidly | 18:20 |
| Sazpaimon | is that like, disk activity? | 18:20 |
| Sazpaimon | same with the red LED around the flash | 18:20 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://i.imgur.com/P5Yfz.png | 18:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's metal bands per capita | 18:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | " | 18:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Scandinavia is pretty fucking metal. (i.imgur.com)" | 18:24 |
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| Corsac | mhmh, is Elliot Walk around? | 18:52 |
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| Sazpaimon | tgalal, you should troll the whatsapp beggers by saying "every time someone asks for an update, the project will get delayed a week" | 20:13 |
| Sazpaimon | just saying | 20:13 |
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| Sazpaimon | e-yes, did you do anything different with the dualboot binary youre distributing other than change CONFIG_LOCALVERSION to add the timestamp? | 20:52 |
| Sazpaimon | and is it the same as nitdroid-n9-2.6.32_draft3 | 20:53 |
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| Sazpaimon | e-yes_, you get my last message? | 20:56 |
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| e-yes_ | Sazpaimon, it's one of builds from draft3 branch | 21:05 |
| e-yes_ | Sazpaimon, why are you asking? | 21:05 |
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| Sazpaimon | e-yes_, was trying to get it to build | 21:10 |
| Sazpaimon | i couldnt get it to boot, but then finally noticed that CONFIG_LOCALVERSION was set to just -dfl61 | 21:11 |
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| Sazpaimon | setting it to -dfl61-20115101 made it work, since thats what /lib/modules was expecting | 21:11 |
| e-yes_ | root@android:/ # uname -a | 21:11 |
| e-yes_ | Linux localhost 2.6.32.48-dfl61-20115101 #6 PREEMPT Sat Mar 17 23:09:26 MSK 2012 armv7l GNU/Linux | 21:11 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah | 21:12 |
| Sazpaimon | but doing just make zImage with the nitdroid defconfig gave me 2.6.32.48-dfl61 | 21:12 |
| e-yes_ | yeah, make tries to take localversion by parsing ../../changelog.Debian | 21:14 |
| Sazpaimon | ah | 21:14 |
| e-yes_ | http://pastebin.com/GcJpWGHC | 21:14 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah | 21:14 |
| Sazpaimon | just cp debian/changelog to ../../changelog.Debian | 21:15 |
| Sazpaimon | I'll remember that next time | 21:15 |
| Sazpaimon | anyway, I added some patches from nemo to attempt to get it to boot with sillyboot, but its just shutting down... | 21:16 |
| Sazpaimon | an strace isnt helping, it just gives me an empty strace log | 21:16 |
| e-yes_ | it==nitdroid? | 21:16 |
| Sazpaimon | no, nemo | 21:16 |
| Sazpaimon | trying to build a kernel that supports nitdroid, harmattan and nemo | 21:17 |
| Sazpaimon | strange that nemo's init isnt even doing anything | 21:17 |
| e-yes_ | ah. btw, how functional nemo is? is it something i have to try? or may be it's on some early development stage? | 21:18 |
| e-yes_ | btw, try to add "2>&1" before redirecting strace's output | 21:18 |
| Sazpaimon | i havent gotten a lot of use out of it | 21:18 |
| tehdely | i find that strace works better if i pronounce it like it was italian | 21:18 |
| tehdely | estratchay | 21:18 |
| Sazpaimon | im just doing exec /usr/bin/strace -o /init.strace.log -f -s 128 /usr/sbin/chroot /mnt/$(printf "%s" $os |cut -d'|' -f2) $(printf "%s" $os |cut -d'|' -f3) | 21:19 |
| Sazpaimon | those printtfs are the mountpoint and init script of the selected os | 21:19 |
| Sazpaimon | it works for nitdroid, it populates the init.strace.log file just fine | 21:19 |
| Sazpaimon | nemo, though, just gives me an empty file | 21:19 |
| Sazpaimon | as far as nemo's usability, its not bad | 21:20 |
| Sazpaimon | but yeah, i'll append > log 2>&1 to that entire command | 21:22 |
| Sazpaimon | might help | 21:22 |
| Sazpaimon | also 0 bytes | 21:26 |
| Sazpaimon | really weird | 21:26 |
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| bindi | I would kill for an harmattan OS on a device like.. say.. my galaxy nexus | 22:42 |
| Sazpaimon | bindi, then do it | 22:49 |
| bindi | can't :p | 22:49 |
| Sazpaimon | can't what? kill for it? | 22:49 |
| bindi | lol | 22:49 |
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| Sazpaimon | you wouldnt need to kill for it, maybe just hold someone at gunpoint | 22:50 |
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| rigo | bindi, do you have an N9? | 23:06 |
| bindi | sure | 23:06 |
| bindi | well, my mum does :D | 23:06 |
| rigo | so much slower that you dream harmattan on something like galaxy? | 23:06 |
| bindi | i just like the UI | 23:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | bindi: or you could wait for n9s to get a little cheaper and just buy one | 23:07 |
| bindi | or UX or w/e you call it | 23:07 |
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| bindi | itsnotabigtruck: nah, already got the galaxy nexus, i'll stick to it hardware-wise and all that :P | 23:07 |
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| Sazpaimon | alright, got busybox telnetd working | 23:09 |
| Sazpaimon | now to figure out why nemo isnt booting | 23:09 |
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| Sazpaimon | or telnet can immediately close the connection, sure that works too | 23:18 |
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| teleshoes | hey | 23:31 |
| teleshoes | does anybody know where "Turn display on by double tapping" is? | 23:31 |
| teleshoes | is it a gconf? | 23:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it must be | 23:32 |
| teleshoes | i certainly hope so, but i missed it somehow | 23:32 |
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| teleshoes | hey, where is the gconf on the filesystem on dis ting anyway? | 23:39 |
| frals | gconftool-2 -R / not good enough? | 23:44 |
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| teleshoes | i wanted to find the schemas | 23:46 |
| teleshoes | found em | 23:46 |
| teleshoes | /usr/share/gconf/schemas | 23:46 |
| teleshoes | but yea, itd be nice to actually have my values be greppable | 23:46 |
| teleshoes | a la ~/.gconf | 23:46 |
| teleshoes | on debian systems | 23:46 |
| teleshoes | %gconf.xml | 23:46 |
| teleshoes | i guess 'gconftool-2 -R /' is better anyway | 23:47 |
| teleshoes | thanks | 23:47 |
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| djszapi | bef0rd: hey :) | 23:50 |
| djszapi | what partitioning backend do you have on Mac ? | 23:50 |
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| bef0rd | djszapi, partitioning backend? not sure what is that, I'm using the same defualt partitioning scheme GPT I believe | 23:54 |
| djszapi | bef0rd: we have libparted and udisks on linux | 23:54 |
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| djszapi | bef0rd: does any of those present on Mac ? | 23:59 |
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| djszapi | bef0rd: for instance, if you would like to build a qt based partitioner ? | 23:59 |
| bef0rd | yea, I've no idea | 23:59 |
| bef0rd | sorry | 23:59 |
| bef0rd | xD | 23:59 |
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