| itsnotabigtruck | M4rtinK: perhaps? | 00:00 |
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| M4rtinK | http://apps.formeego.org/staging/applications/n9/pr1.0/harmattan/Graphics/mieru/ | 00:01 |
| M4rtinK | itsnotabigtruck: I have already a rating from you though :) | 00:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | right, lol | 00:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | M4rtinK: you had a version in staging before you uploaded this one, right | 00:02 |
| M4rtinK | yep | 00:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i hope the same thing that happened to mine doesn't happen to yours | 00:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which is bossbot clobbering the new version with the old version after the approval | 00:03 |
| M4rtinK | lets hope not :) | 00:03 |
| M4rtinK | did they do something about it ? | 00:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ad-hac's sorted out now but it required direct intervention | 00:03 |
| M4rtinK | I remember actually uploading multiple version of the currently stable package before promotion | 00:04 |
| M4rtinK | and I'm quite sure the right one was promoted | 00:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | weird | 00:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just loaded up crunchbang in a VM, so far, so good | 00:05 |
| M4rtinK | also some feedback for reviewers would be good | 00:05 |
| M4rtinK | I don't thing they get any currently | 00:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what sort of feedback? | 00:06 |
| M4rtinK | for the reviewers if you update the package | 00:07 |
| M4rtinK | which might be quite a frequent occurance, as this is the testing repository | 00:08 |
| M4rtinK | eq. reviewers find bugs you have missed -> you fix the bugs & update the package -> they are notified | 00:09 |
| M4rtinK | might not be an email, just a notification on the AFM website or in the app | 00:10 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | btw what do you think would the best approach for an app testing model | 00:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for a community app store thing | 00:14 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | obviously AFM's approach isn't really working out, but part of the problem is a lack of users | 00:15 |
| M4rtinK | its really chicken and egg | 00:19 |
| M4rtinK | no users -> not testers -> not apps in stable -> no users :) | 00:20 |
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| M4rtinK | and Ovi works currently quite OK | 00:21 |
| M4rtinK | on the other hand, if AFM supported shared libraries | 00:21 |
| M4rtinK | well that would something that Ovi just doesn't have :) | 00:21 |
| M4rtinK | also regarding testing, filling feedback in the AFM client would really help IMHO | 00:22 |
| M4rtinK | also maybe also easy from client registration | 00:22 |
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| M4rtinK | the current work-flow is quite complicated | 00:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's just that i'm thinking about making something with less OBS and more inception | 00:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i.e. installing from a trusted domain so that apps can assert inception-only privileges | 00:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so the question is, how to keep the garbage out without making insurmountable barriers | 00:25 |
| MohammadAG | if anyone feels like implementing swipe gestures (not the compositor thing) in an MWidget: http://pastebin.com/iZCqEkMC | 00:28 |
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| MohammadAG | I'm not sure why the directions are messed up, but it did take some time to figure out | 00:28 |
| M4rtinK | when we take packaging aside - OBS is nice but the current work-flow is currently VERY difficult to get handle of | 00:28 |
| MohammadAG | oh and MWidget::gestureEvent() should be a bool not a void, guess that's a bug in MTF | 00:28 |
| M4rtinK | the current QA mechanism is IMHO quite nice | 00:29 |
| M4rtinK | just nit enough people | 00:29 |
| M4rtinK | which might not be a problem for insception specific things | 00:29 |
| M4rtinK | as it seems to be quite popular already, at least on TMO | 00:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://www.meecatalog.com/ < wtf | 00:31 |
| MohammadAG | and lol: Documentation is like sex: when it is good, it is very, very good. And when it is bad, it is better than nothing. - Dick Brandon | 00:31 |
| e-yes_ | Sazpaimon, yes, multiboot is n900-specific, but you can reuse many ideas/codesnippets from it | 00:32 |
| M4rtinK | what about that webpage ? :) | 00:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | M4rtinK: the domain name | 00:34 |
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| M4rtinK | oh, like that repository browser ? | 00:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, lol | 00:44 |
| Sazpaimon | god damn finally got wubi working | 00:49 |
| Sazpaimon | now to flash this damn kernel | 00:49 |
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| Sazpaimon | and its still not working | 00:56 |
| Sazpaimon | i flash the kernel and initrd, and it doesnt enumerate properly to the OS | 00:56 |
| Sazpaimon | usb 2-1.4: device descriptor read/64, error -110 | 01:00 |
| Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, any ideas | 01:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: you said you flashed it? | 01:01 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah | 01:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | when i told you about it i specifically said not to flash it | 01:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you boot it | 01:02 |
| Sazpaimon | by that I mean i loaded flasher | 01:02 |
| Sazpaimon | *not* flashed it to the device | 01:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ah ok | 01:02 |
| Sazpaimon | sudo flasher --load -k vmlinuz-2.6.32.20112201-11.2-adaptation-n950-bootloader -n initrd.img-rescue-2.6.32.20112201-11.2-n950 --boot | 01:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, then i guess it doesn't work | 01:02 |
| Sazpaimon | tail -f /var/log/syslog | 01:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and it wasn't just windows incompatibility | 01:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | "awesome" | 01:02 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah really | 01:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, if you don't mind obliterating everything the full flash ought to clear things up...i'm out of other ideas | 01:03 |
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| Sazpaimon | guess I'll reflash my rootfs and see where that gets me | 01:03 |
| Sazpaimon | i have a nokia link backup from yesterday handy | 01:03 |
| Sazpaimon | well, that still didn't work | 01:10 |
| Sazpaimon | it does the nokia startup tune and restarts | 01:11 |
| Sazpaimon | that reflash i still used e-yes_'s kernel, let me use the one from the fiasco image now | 01:11 |
| Sazpaimon | flashed with regular kernel, still rebooting | 01:13 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: it definitely won't work with a non-stock kernel and stock rootfs | 01:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, if the changes are enough to make the modules incompatible | 01:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which would be the case with the e-yes kernel | 01:16 |
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| Sazpaimon | and like I said, used regular kernel with the same result | 01:18 |
| Sazpaimon | tried setting R&D flags: ERROR: SU_SET_PARAMETER_REQ terminated with error code 10: Security failure | 01:18 |
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| Sazpaimon | thats a new one | 01:20 |
| Sazpaimon | any idea why that may be | 01:20 |
| Sazpaimon | weird, restarted and tried again, now it worked | 01:21 |
| Sazpaimon | okay, turned off lifeguard reset | 01:21 |
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| Sazpaimon | disabling lifeguard rreset makes it boot, as expected | 01:23 |
| Sazpaimon | my status bar is missing | 01:25 |
| Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, you ever run into this? | 01:25 |
| Sazpaimon | also the screen wont lock | 01:26 |
| Sazpaimon | the app menu is all messed up, too | 01:27 |
| Sazpaimon | wifi hotspot is the first application | 01:27 |
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| Sazpaimon | phone is way down on the 4th row | 01:27 |
| Sazpaimon | i cant enable developer mode | 01:28 |
| Sazpaimon | i can't go online | 01:30 |
| Sazpaimon | like, selecting the connect button in settings doesnt do anything | 01:30 |
| Sazpaimon | keypad doesnt work | 01:31 |
| Sazpaimon | as in, it doesnt show up | 01:31 |
| Sazpaimon | okay, I got the internet to work | 01:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: weird | 01:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | maybe your emmc is hosed somehow? | 01:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | try getting as much data off as possible, then do both main and emmc in one fell swoop | 01:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i mean, that's kind of a cop-out solution, there's probably a real solution out there | 01:33 |
| MohammadAG | anyone got Qt::TapAndHoldGesture working? | 01:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but i have no idea what it is | 01:33 |
| MohammadAG | it keeps triggering the event 3 times | 01:33 |
| Sazpaimon | let me install fingerterm | 01:34 |
| Sazpaimon | that should help | 01:34 |
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| Sazpaimon | since that doesnt use the vkb | 01:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | arg, rootstrap download is taking forever | 01:35 |
| Sazpaimon | oh | 01:36 |
| Sazpaimon | right | 01:36 |
| Sazpaimon | no nokia account set up | 01:36 |
| Sazpaimon | ergo, no ovi store | 01:36 |
| Sazpaimon | no wifi, so i cant ssh | 01:36 |
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| Sazpaimon | can someone snag a deb of fingerterm for me | 01:40 |
| Sazpaimon | maybe i can text myself a link and it will work | 01:40 |
| pa | doing gconftool-2 -recursive-list shows, at the end, some draft messages, that i cannot see anywhere else | 01:41 |
| pa | where are they stored? and how to delete them? | 01:41 |
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| Sazpaimon | uh wtf | 01:46 |
| Sazpaimon | installed developer mode | 01:46 |
| Sazpaimon | rebooted | 01:46 |
| Sazpaimon | everything is back to normal | 01:46 |
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| Sazpaimon | well, kind of | 01:47 |
| Sazpaimon | status bar is showing up | 01:47 |
| Sazpaimon | vkb still doesnt work | 01:48 |
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| Sazpaimon | well fingerterm installed, but it wont start :/ | 01:52 |
| pa | ok, removed | 01:54 |
| pa | hope those stuff are not saved also somewhere else | 01:54 |
| Sazpaimon | okay, managed to ssh in from sdk mode | 01:56 |
| Sazpaimon | "/opt/fingerterm/bin/fingerterm" Failed to connect to remote themedaemon. Retrying in one second. | 01:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: try devel-su -c 'devel-su /opt/fingerterm/bin/fingerterm user' | 01:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | unless you're already running as user | 01:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hrm | 01:58 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah i was running as root when i did that | 01:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | try invoker --type=e /opt/fingerterm/bin/fingerterm | 01:58 |
| Sazpaimon | failed to copy default config from resources | 01:58 |
| Sazpaimon | hm | 01:58 |
| Sazpaimon | what other command should i try | 01:59 |
| Sazpaimon | i see this in my syslog: | 02:01 |
| Sazpaimon | Mar 26 19:00:27 (2012) obexd[28903]: stat(/home/user/.obex-root): No such file or directory (2) | 02:01 |
| Sazpaimon | Mar 26 19:00:27 (2012) obexd[28903]: /usr/bin/obex-root-setup exited with status 1 | 02:01 |
| Sazpaimon | Mar 26 19:00:27 (2012) obexd[28903]: Unable to setup root folder /home/user/.obex-root | 02:01 |
| Sazpaimon | hm | 02:01 |
| Sazpaimon | i think I see the isue | 02:01 |
| Sazpaimon | and it may be my own supidity | 02:02 |
| Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, could you ls /home for me | 02:02 |
| Sazpaimon | then again it may not | 02:02 |
| Sazpaimon | does /home just have user and developer? | 02:02 |
| Sazpaimon | and lost+found | 02:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: i think so | 02:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i don't have a shell open on my phone atm | 02:03 |
| Sazpaimon | hm | 02:03 |
| Sazpaimon | for some strange reason,/home/user is owned by root | 02:04 |
| Sazpaimon | thats not good | 02:04 |
| Sazpaimon | and probably why those errors are there | 02:04 |
| Sazpaimon | strange because i didn't ever do that | 02:04 |
| Sazpaimon | yes and now magically everything seems to work | 02:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | weird... | 02:06 |
| Sazpaimon | hm | 02:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | flashing the rootfs doesn't touch /home so that's why that wasn't fixed | 02:07 |
| Sazpaimon | my status menu is setill weird | 02:07 |
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| Sazpaimon | *still | 02:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | flashing the emmc *might*, i'm not 100% sure | 02:07 |
| Sazpaimon | it shows up | 02:07 |
| Sazpaimon | but tapping it doesnt show the actual menu | 02:07 |
| Sazpaimon | it just dims the screen | 02:07 |
| Sazpaimon | and my lock screen isnt working still | 02:07 |
| Sazpaimon | whats the command for the lock screen again | 02:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no idea | 02:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | did you try rebooting after chowning ~ | 02:09 |
| Sazpaimon | yes | 02:10 |
| Sazpaimon | /home/user/.config is also owned by root:root | 02:10 |
| Sazpaimon | wtf | 02:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | better chown -hR user:users /home/user | 02:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or whatever it's supposed to be | 02:13 |
| Sazpaimon | that will chown aegis stuff too | 02:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i think it'll keep going if it runs into problems | 02:15 |
| Sazpaimon | either way, I think i took care of them all | 02:16 |
| Sazpaimon | only MyDocs is group owned by root | 02:16 |
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| Sazpaimon | i did that so root could do stuff in MyDocs | 02:16 |
| Sazpaimon | because lazy | 02:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just opensh up in order to do that | 02:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that activates dac_override | 02:17 |
| Sazpaimon | there was no opensh at the time | 02:17 |
| Sazpaimon | look at that | 02:17 |
| Sazpaimon | magically everything seems to be working | 02:17 |
| Sazpaimon | now to reload my backup | 02:18 |
| Sazpaimon | fun times | 02:18 |
| Sazpaimon | gotta reboot into windows for that | 02:19 |
| Sazpaimon | may as well disable R&D mode now, see if everything is in order | 02:19 |
| Sazpaimon | im kinda baffled as to why it did this | 02:20 |
| Sazpaimon | cleared R&D mode, no problems | 02:21 |
| * Sazpaimon boots back into windows | 02:22 | |
| Sazpaimon | alright, restore time | 02:27 |
| Sazpaimon | guess i should reflash openmode kernel first though | 02:27 |
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| Sazpaimon | okay, redid all my tweaks | 03:00 |
| Sazpaimon | good as new | 03:00 |
| Sazpaimon | after having the small icon set for so long, the normal icon size looks so huge | 03:00 |
| teleshoes | anyone know a thumbnail viewer for the n9? | 03:01 |
| teleshoes | or a way to manually add photos to the tracker so that they get picked up by Gallery? | 03:02 |
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| Sazpaimon | anyone know if el-v1.db from an N900 has contacts? | 03:12 |
| Sazpaimon | or just conversations | 03:12 |
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| teleshoes | i dont think it does | 03:18 |
| teleshoes | the events table stores the phone number in the rows; i would imagine it would store a uuid for a contact instead | 03:19 |
| Sazpaimon | weird, I used n900-comhist-import to re-import my N900 smses | 03:19 |
| Sazpaimon | and none of them are there | 03:19 |
| Sazpaimon | just a few of my skype messags | 03:19 |
| Sazpaimon | okay, fixed on reboot | 03:24 |
| Sazpaimon | only missing about 5 months of smses | 03:24 |
| Sazpaimon | could be worse | 03:25 |
| Sazpaimon | I have them all from august of 09 to november of 11 | 03:25 |
| teleshoes | now that you have them, you may be interested in smsbackuprestore | 03:25 |
| Sazpaimon | already installed it | 03:26 |
| auenfi5 | so the verdict of the story is not to delete tracker .cache ;) | 03:26 |
| teleshoes | the real moral is nokia is a jerk for using the tracker for everything | 03:26 |
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| teleshoes | take note smsbackuprestore v0.3 | 03:27 |
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| mtd | anybody seen this error before from tracker-store: Tracker-Critical **: Unable to create index for nie:informationElementDate: | 04:37 |
| mtd | I suspect that's the cause of tracker-store's terrible performance | 04:38 |
| teleshoes | in case anyones interested, i have toggling the torch/flashlight from the lockscreen working | 05:16 |
| teleshoes | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82538 | 05:16 |
| teleshoes | you can push vol+ to toggle it | 05:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nice | 05:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | might be susceptible to pocket flashing though | 05:21 |
| teleshoes | yea, it auto-turns off after 5min- | 05:22 |
| teleshoes | but i also want to disable it when the screen is completely off | 05:22 |
| teleshoes | until then, i actually have it "hold volume down, double-tap volume up" | 05:22 |
| teleshoes | awkward, but id hate to burn out my flashbulb | 05:23 |
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| Sazpaimon | so | 05:56 |
| Sazpaimon | i made a kind of "boot menu" using text2screen and some basic config file | 05:56 |
| Sazpaimon | basically, when you start the phone, it shows a little countdown | 05:58 |
| Sazpaimon | and you press volup | 05:58 |
| Sazpaimon | and it shows a list of OSes | 05:58 |
| Sazpaimon | you press voldown to toggle through the list, and volup to boot it | 05:58 |
| teleshoes | nice | 05:58 |
| teleshoes | any chance for nemo support? | 05:59 |
| Sazpaimon | thats the idea | 05:59 |
| teleshoes | :D | 05:59 |
| Sazpaimon | if I can boot nemo via a chroot (like how nitdroid works) then yeah | 05:59 |
| teleshoes | beats having to flash it | 05:59 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah | 05:59 |
| Sazpaimon | nitroid boots fine with | 06:00 |
| Sazpaimon | with it | 06:00 |
| Sazpaimon | and regular harmattan of course | 06:00 |
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| teleshoes | hey, anyone know how to detect if the screen is off? | 06:43 |
| teleshoes | when on the lock screen, that is | 06:44 |
| teleshoes | /sys/devices/omapdss/display0/backlight/display0/brightness | 06:44 |
| teleshoes | gets set to 0 when the screen darkens, | 06:44 |
| teleshoes | but doesnt come back until you unlock the screen | 06:44 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | teleshoes: probably some mce/dsme dbus query for it | 07:03 |
| teleshoes | im looking, but not finding | 07:04 |
| teleshoes | mcetool doesnt have it in it, anyway | 07:04 |
| Sazpaimon | so someone stole my credit card details and bought things from aliexpress | 07:07 |
| teleshoes | thats balls | 07:07 |
| Sazpaimon | of all places, aliexpress | 07:07 |
| teleshoes | heh | 07:07 |
| Sazpaimon | i like those guys too | 07:07 |
| Sazpaimon | at least they got back to me | 07:07 |
| Sazpaimon | they confirmed that my details were used, and I asked them if they can supply the order details so i can report it to the police | 07:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | weird | 07:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | a while back somebody charged credit reports for other people on my card | 07:13 |
| Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, did you hear | 07:16 |
| Sazpaimon | i made a boot menu | 07:16 |
| Sazpaimon | kinda | 07:16 |
| Sazpaimon | its really just a junky bash script that works with text2screen and chroot | 07:16 |
| Sazpaimon | but it works | 07:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | heh | 07:19 |
| Sazpaimon | Im trying to see if its possible to boot nemo without repartitioning | 07:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | how does chroot interact with mounting | 07:20 |
| Sazpaimon | that is to say, just have the filesystem in the /home partition and boot that up | 07:20 |
| Sazpaimon | you can mount from within a chroot | 07:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | are all the paths relative to the current root, or the absolute root? | 07:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what about mounts outside the current root? | 07:20 |
| Sazpaimon | its happening from preinit, so you just chroot /mnt/os /sbin/init | 07:20 |
| Sazpaimon | and then the OS boots from there | 07:20 |
| Sazpaimon | its basically like when you have an initrd, and change the root and boot from that | 07:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm just not really sure how stuff works that early in the boot process and i'm worried it might be not quite the same as an absolute root | 07:21 |
| Sazpaimon | it works for androd | 07:21 |
| Sazpaimon | *android | 07:21 |
| Sazpaimon | thats how sillyboot works | 07:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i don't think a normal initrd involves chrooting for example | 07:21 |
| Sazpaimon | i always thought switch_root in an initrd did a chroot type thing | 07:22 |
| Sazpaimon | and runs init | 07:22 |
| Sazpaimon | looking at the busybox source code, it looks like thats what it does | 07:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hm | 07:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | makes sense, i suppose | 07:25 |
| Sazpaimon | right now i need to compile the harmattan kernel with the same settings as nemo's kernel | 07:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in the case of android-harmattan dual boot it would still probably be desirable to be able to un-android the kernel when running in harmattan | 07:25 |
| Sazpaimon | as well as android's settings | 07:25 |
| Sazpaimon | hopefully all 3 OSes can run off of the same kernel | 07:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also maybe a fancy gui menu could be made :D | 07:26 |
| Sazpaimon | at least, nemo and harmattan | 07:26 |
| Sazpaimon | from preinit? | 07:26 |
| Sazpaimon | i dont think so | 07:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | is it possible to access the framebuffer device? | 07:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | probably could do some x-free arrangement | 07:26 |
| Sazpaimon | maybe, but it wouldnt be worth it | 07:26 |
| Sazpaimon | especially with the limited button layout | 07:26 |
| Sazpaimon | i couldnt get evkey to recognize the power button | 07:27 |
| Sazpaimon | only volup and voldown | 07:27 |
| Sazpaimon | so voldown selects the OS, and volup boots it | 07:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it would be worth it to make it look cool :p | 07:28 |
| Sazpaimon | does fremantle have a gui boot menu for any of its boot menu things*? | 07:28 |
| Sazpaimon | ive never done multiboot on fremantle | 07:28 |
| Sazpaimon | and afiak its a different animal compared to HARM | 07:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also the related question is how would you access touchscreen input | 07:29 |
| Sazpaimon | i dont think it'd be possible that early in the boot process | 07:30 |
| Sazpaimon | i'll work on getting nemo booting in the morning | 07:30 |
| Sazpaimon | tired now | 07:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, one way to do it might be boot enough to run an x server, display the menu, then shut it down and chroot/exec | 07:30 |
| Sazpaimon | im actually surprised at how fast android boots after the first boot | 07:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but that's not very efficient | 07:31 |
| Sazpaimon | it only takes a few seconds | 07:31 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | btw | 07:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | has anyone figured out what this message means | 07:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | cellular: csd[627]: com.nokia.csd.simatk: simatk_report_event_notification:460 Building and sending ATK_REPORT_EVENT_NTF -message | 07:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | repeated every second in the syslog | 07:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it seems to happen on AT&T only | 07:41 |
| dm8tbr | itsnotabigtruck: it's obviously related to the SIM toolkit. which is e.g. used for a custom operator menu across phones | 07:42 |
| teleshoes | argh, every mce call for display off simply returns tklock mode | 07:42 |
| teleshoes | get_display_status, get_tklock_mode, get_inactivity_status | 07:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | dm8tbr: right but AT&T doesn't supply any sim atk menus | 07:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and it obviously isn't normal to spam the event log with messages every second | 07:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | especially since it doesn't happen on other carriers | 07:44 |
| tehdely | yeah i get those too | 07:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | all the other results about this say "don't worry about it" or nothing, but obviously there's some cause behind this | 07:45 |
| tehdely | and i'm on AT&T | 07:45 |
| tehdely | and nobody's offered a useful explanation | 07:45 |
| dm8tbr | itsnotabigtruck: they might do other stuff with the toolkit. e.g. enforced memory entries or data APN | 07:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | dm8tbr: well, the key is what EVENT_NTF actually means | 07:45 |
| tehdely | it probably means 'remote spy mode enabled, all sound being forwarded to NSA' | 07:45 |
| dm8tbr | notification? | 07:45 |
| tehdely | this is AT&T we're dealing with, after all | 07:46 |
| tehdely | itsnotabigtruck is a very suspicious character | 07:46 |
| tehdely | i heard he has even worn a hoodie | 07:46 |
| dm8tbr | itsnotabigtruck: you could just disable the simatk process? | 07:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | dm8tbr: also, data APNs don't have anything to do with simatk afaik | 07:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and on the N9 they're determined by looking them up in a table, or i think it also supports OMA DP | 07:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or whatever it's called | 07:47 |
| dm8tbr | itsnotabigtruck: I never looked deeper into what ATK can do, just saying there's more to it than just the menu. | 07:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm not really sure though | 07:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, looking at the spec for it, it's way more than menus | 07:48 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | so it looks like the sim can ask to be notified about 'events' | 08:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | dm8tbr: you're right, ntf has to be notification, just noticed the function's called report_event_notification, lol | 08:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but then, does that mean csd logs every time it pushes event info, and why is it happening so often for at&t in particular | 08:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts/102200_102299/102223/09.00.00_60/ts_102223v090000p.pdf see section 7.5, there's a lot of events | 08:06 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | a 2.5" hdd generates a really surprising amount of noise | 08:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | itsnotabigtruck: Depends on the HD | 08:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Some can be near-silent | 08:31 |
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| * mtd has fixed (mostly) tracker-store hogging CPU! Index was missing on "nie:InformationElement_nie:informationElementDate" (ID, "nie:informationElementDate") | 09:18 | |
| mtd | touchdown - that was a bear :/ | 09:19 |
| * mtd has no idea how tracker managed to lose that index, and then corrupt the referential integrity of that table, preventing the index being re-added automatically (as it appears to try to do at startup) | 09:19 | |
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| SpeedEvil | bWoo! | 09:54 |
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| gabriel9|work | morning | 10:06 |
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| mtd | wow, the facebook app prepares some stupidly large sqlite queries: 1067495 characters long | 10:23 |
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| mtd | $ grep facebook ~/.local/share/tracker/tracker-store.log | wc -L | 10:23 |
| mtd | s/facebook app/facebook messaging plugin/ | 10:24 |
| keitsi | mtd, no wonder, the facebook app seems very slow at times | 10:25 |
| keitsi | that's why I prefer fMobi | 10:25 |
| mtd | it's some terrible join across all the contacts with a facebook ID, which clearly should be a dynamic join rather than a prepared statement. | 10:26 |
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| frals | keitsi: except, the facebook app does not use tracker in that way... | 10:44 |
| * mtd was talking about the facebook messaging "plugin" (not sure what the right term is; telepathy provider?) | 10:57 | |
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| MohammadAG | I'm not sure why the Facebook app is slow | 11:05 |
| MohammadAG | Facebook data processing shouldn't be that hard | 11:05 |
| MohammadAG | Sociality is quite fast | 11:05 |
| MohammadAG | And uses a shitload of caching in RAM, yet still uses about 12-15MBs with heavy usage | 11:06 |
| MohammadAG | And it's all in one thread as of now | 11:06 |
| gabriel9|work | who knows what it does in background | 11:45 |
| gabriel9|work | is it native qtquick? | 11:46 |
| gabriel9|work | and is it posible to mix qtquick with html in some dark magic way? | 11:46 |
| * mtd never noticed how tracker-store is getting crushed by prepared statements. current favouriteL | 11:47 | |
| mtd | ...favourite: 'SELECT 1 FROM (SELECT 1)' | 11:47 |
| mtd | genius | 11:47 |
| flux | you need to have an ORM to get that :) | 11:48 |
| mtd | ...for extra bonus points, it's being prepared multiple times...#2 on the top-ten most prepared prepared statements! | 11:48 |
| mtd | flux: heheh | 11:48 |
| mtd | in case anyone has debugging on: grep "Preparing query" ~/.local/share/tracker/tracker-store.log | cut -c 1-200 | cut -c 50- | sort | uniq -c | sort -n | tail | 11:49 |
| mtd | to make your own top-ten list | 11:49 |
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| * mtd is missing how to use strace under aegis; I'm getting "attach: ptrace(PTRACE_ATTACH, ...): Operation not permitted" even though I'm running develsh | 12:27 | |
| mtd | anyone strace'd a process on n950? | 12:27 |
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| jonni | mtd: and you have checked with accli -I that you have CAP::sys_ptrace? | 12:52 |
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| mtd | jonni: no but thanks for the tip: user@RM680:~$ accli -I | grep ptra CAP::sys_ptrace | 13:13 |
| mtd | err...multi-line past is stupid but yes, I have it | 13:13 |
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| jonni | and the process that your trying to attach, was started with that capa too? or what process are you trying to debug? | 13:28 |
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| diorahman | there is no IAP for harmattan :-( | 13:33 |
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| Khertan_W | Morning | 13:41 |
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| nebulon | Hi can anyone help me with this problem: "/bin/develsh: Operation not permitted" | 13:47 |
| nebulon | whenever I try to ssh into the device as "developer" | 13:47 |
| nebulon | even as root on the phone terminal, I get that message when trying to execute /bin/develsh | 13:47 |
| petteri | i just ssh as user and then login as root with devel-su | 13:48 |
| petteri | I mostly use the usb interface/cable connection as the terminal is really laggy otherwise | 13:50 |
| nebulon | petteri: what is the "user" password, then? | 13:50 |
| nebulon | it is not the one shown in the sdk-connection tool | 13:50 |
| psycho_oreos | "rootme" for devel-su | 13:51 |
| nebulon | that I know..but for the ssh login | 13:52 |
| petteri | i think i used passwd to change the user password, not sure | 13:52 |
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| nebulon | ah | 13:52 |
| nebulon | petteri: so easy..thanks for the hint ;-) | 13:54 |
| psycho_oreos | any of you are running openmode kernel on pr1.1 (nokia n9 to be precise). I just want to know if you can restore backups that were made when aegis was in effect prior to flashing into openmode kernel | 13:54 |
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| pawky | psycho_oreos: I think you will run into some aegis issues.. wont you? | 14:24 |
| psycho_oreos | pawky, yeah I don't know about that (and in some cases I hope not). | 14:25 |
| pawky | I am pretty sure you will... go ask mr Aegis himself djszapi. He knows aaaal about it ;-) | 14:25 |
| psycho_oreos | o.O | 14:26 |
| pawky | but to my knowledge some parts are encrypted with the original user running... | 14:26 |
| pawky | and with the flash, you will not be able to decrypt these things.. | 14:27 |
| pawky | there might be a slight risk you F... up your unit and might have to reflash it.. thus I wouldn't recommend it | 14:27 |
| pawky | or reflash.... reset it at least.. | 14:28 |
| psycho_oreos | pawky, with the aegis on, its even more lame imo :) | 14:28 |
| psycho_oreos | unnecessary security/DRM crap | 14:28 |
| pawky | well.. yes, and no... | 14:28 |
| pawky | its a fairly smart design idea, no one who finds your unit or steal it will be able to easily get your information.. | 14:29 |
| pawky | then again, the implementation has its flaws in itself... and you should be able to disable it if wanting to.. | 14:29 |
| psycho_oreos | that's what a lock code is for with automatic lock | 14:29 |
| psycho_oreos | oh and 10 (but should be a lot less than that) password attempts before resetting | 14:30 |
| pa | deb http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/ harmattan/sdk free non-free | 14:30 |
| pa | why cant i access it from firefox? | 14:30 |
| pawky | well... if you mean just locking your phone, it wont work that well through the USB | 14:30 |
| psycho_oreos | because its not meant to be browsed publicly pa | 14:30 |
| pa | i see | 14:30 |
| pa | is there a way i can download fuse-utils from there? | 14:31 |
| pa | (if it's there) | 14:31 |
| pa | i mean, i need the .deb | 14:31 |
| psycho_oreos | pawky, how do you mean? if developer mode wasn't enabled and one can't get to enumerate block devices, how can one have access to the contents of n9? | 14:31 |
| pa | coz i have to install it forcing the deps | 14:31 |
| pawky | psycho_oreos: by using some creative thinking and a hammer?... :-) | 14:33 |
| pawky | or screwdriver... if prefered.. | 14:33 |
| jonni | pa: packages from that repo are not meant for the device. those packages are meant for scratchbox only. | 14:33 |
| pa | ah i see | 14:34 |
| pa | so no sshfs on the device? | 14:34 |
| pawky | well...you have openvpn do you not? :-) | 14:35 |
| psycho_oreos | pawky, apart from that single rather pointless (which is almost unlikely to happen with stolen phones) case, I see aegis is nothing more than nokia's way of enforcing DRM absurdly | 14:35 |
| jonni | you dont have mount command access on device by default, but other way around works, you can sshfs mount your N9 from ubuntu. | 14:35 |
| pa | true, but only as user | 14:35 |
| jonni | you can sshfs root too, if you google a bit | 14:36 |
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| pawky | psycho_oreos: well.. hear ye, I am in full agreement with you there... but the idea, the thought of encrypting your data might still be ok.. if its a volentary thing.. | 14:36 |
| torarne[home] | jonni: sshfs works if you use inception | 14:36 |
| torarne[home] | pa: —^ | 14:36 |
| jonni | torarne[home]: I said "by default" | 14:37 |
| * torarne[home] missed that :) | 14:37 | |
| psycho_oreos | pawky, I hate to dig up headstone stuff, but there is a thing called truecrypt and that there is a fremantle owner trying to make full encryption work on his device. nokia could have improvised on that basic fundamentals but no, they had to overengineer something like aegis whereby it controls anything and everything. Too much resources is being spent on unnecessary junk imo | 14:38 |
| pa | torarne[home], what do you mean? if i manage to install it with all the dependencies in place, it wouldnt still work without incepting? | 14:39 |
| pa | i mean atm i have a dependency problem | 14:39 |
| pawky | ok... i give up... what i meant is, the idea Nokia provides encryption for those who has no clue what happens behind the curtains, is a good thing... | 14:40 |
| pawky | but it should be something that we who do know... (or atleast think we do) can disable... | 14:40 |
| torarne[home] | pa: i mean if you incept installing opensh, you can mount from within that | 14:40 |
| pa | i see | 14:40 |
| pa | thanks | 14:40 |
| psycho_oreos | nokia likes to overengineer things, much like how they scrapped the idea of selling N950 and make more of them but instead create a whole new device, dubbed it as n9 and publicly state this will be their last maemo/meego venture | 14:41 |
| pawky | i am not so sure about it actually being a whole new device.. component wise.. | 14:42 |
| psycho_oreos | I wouldn't think the manufacturers would kindly spend time on pulling chips off N950 board and replacing the appropriate ones to be placed on n9. Let alone the creation of a completely new case, plus this so-called gorilla glass | 14:43 |
| psycho_oreos | then again I don't have N950 | 14:43 |
| pawky | well.. to my knowledge the N9 has a far better screen compared to the N950.. its the lack of a keyboard that irritates me at times.. | 14:46 |
| psycho_oreos | I loathed and I still do loathe at the sight of keyboard-less `clean' looking device | 14:47 |
| psycho_oreos | it still sickens me when I could have easily went for android had they not been using dalvik vm | 14:47 |
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| pawky | well... you can put in whatever OS you want in either an android phone or the Nokia.. | 14:49 |
| psycho_oreos | bottom line is that nokia likes to overengineer.. like the security with aegis, like the N950/n9 case (note how I deliberately used lowercase when describing n9 to note its inferiority compared to the rest of the maemo heritage/lineage) | 14:49 |
| petteri | n950/N9 :) | 14:51 |
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| pawky | well... all I am saying.. the thought of encrypting user data is not a bad thing... its enforcing upon all users that is... | 14:52 |
| psycho_oreos | no, n9 is inferior, in literally every aspect | 14:52 |
| pawky | wether N9 is inferior or not, is a totally different matter.. | 14:52 |
| pawky | and overengineering is not a bad thing in my oppinion.. i like over engineered things.. | 14:53 |
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| djszapi | time to leave :) | 14:53 |
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| psycho_oreos | its just a crippling backward step just for it to be dubbed `stylish'. Its not nokia's tablet style, its lame-o-rama iphone wannabe style | 14:53 |
| pawky | djszapi: could you ever imagine me saying these words here in the forum ;-) | 14:53 |
| psycho_oreos | right, like overcooked pork roast | 14:53 |
| pawky | Well you could always use the N900, if you do not like the "over engineered N9"... | 14:54 |
| pawky | that one is a great phone to.. | 14:54 |
| pawky | perfect hacker phone.. | 14:54 |
| psycho_oreos | pawky, great internet tablet with phone functionality in which one could only wished N950 were publicly available | 14:55 |
| deram | n900 is far from perfect, but it was good enough | 14:55 |
| pawky | i believe Nokias sellout to Microsoft is the issue here... | 14:55 |
| deram | had 810 been phone... | 14:56 |
| pawky | deram: my N900 was perfect... | 14:56 |
| psycho_oreos | someone on tmo thread did tried to make a phone out of N810 | 14:56 |
| pawky | still is a matter of fact.. | 14:56 |
| deram | pawky: I'd have liked 810 with phone capabilities more | 14:56 |
| pawky | psycho_oreos: its called SIP phone.. | 14:56 |
| pawky | deram: its called a N900... | 14:57 |
| psycho_oreos | everytime I ran my N900 (which every so often these days it sees itself sitting inside its original box), my N900 teases me with all its former glory | 14:57 |
| deram | pawky: the keyboard for example is inferior in n900 | 14:57 |
| psycho_oreos | pawky, hey well at least it was somewhat an innovation :) | 14:57 |
| deram | and the form factor of 810 would have been better suited for my needs. | 14:57 |
| pawky | my N900 has a great form factor :-) | 14:58 |
| MohammadAG | Got 80WPM on the kn | 14:58 |
| psycho_oreos | the N950 looked nice with that E7 lookalike or identical shell | 14:58 |
| MohammadAG | Kb | 14:58 |
| pawky | it has a keoboard.. a camera lens shield.. great resolution.. | 14:58 |
| pawky | (keyboard) | 14:58 |
| psycho_oreos | I didn't quite like the little backstand on N900 but N900 is the only maemo device I have apart from n9 | 14:59 |
| pawky | well.. its at the back.. it makes the phone stand.. what more could one expect? :-) | 14:59 |
| psycho_oreos | pawky, something like N8x0 series kickstand :D | 14:59 |
| pawky | I can kick mine while it stands... for sure... :-D | 15:01 |
| pawky | would be a bit sad though.. | 15:01 |
| psycho_oreos | I was really fast with the age old T9 keyboard (n95-1 days), then after getting used to N900's hw keyboard, I was tapping away happily. I wrote excessive long lines with the hardware keyboard on N900 (till the paint on the keys started peeling off). These days with vkb on n9, it makes me cringe everytime I tap on the screen just to print a letter | 15:01 |
| psycho_oreos | try really sad instead of a bit :p | 15:02 |
| pawky | well.. for people in love, "get a room" for people who types a lot... "get a keyboard"... | 15:02 |
| pawky | :- | 15:03 |
| pawky | :-) | 15:03 |
| psycho_oreos | I'd rather moan about n9's pathetic-ness :) | 15:03 |
| psycho_oreos | its called sharing the love :p | 15:03 |
| pawky | mine works well... better than I thought, to be honest.. | 15:03 |
| * mgedmin ♥ his N9 | 15:04 | |
| psycho_oreos | mgedmin, sell me your N950 then ;p j/k | 15:04 |
| mgedmin | I'd be happy to, if I owned one | 15:04 |
| pawky | yeah thats what I am waiting for.. a N950 sellout... :-D | 15:05 |
| pawky | come on you little developers... give up developping and sell them to us lUsers... :-) | 15:05 |
| psycho_oreos | the other week I broke the vkb on n9. Months ago before n9 was slated for release, I constantly voiced my concerns for the fragility of vkb, it was apparent on N900 and I basically ate my own poison when I locked my lock screen and the vkb actually broke :p | 15:06 |
| pawky | well.. I rather tend to break the whole unit.. mostly by just owning them.. I am on my third now.. but the keyboard still works.. :-) | 15:07 |
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| mgedmin | how did you break the vkb? | 15:07 |
| psycho_oreos | don't ask :) | 15:07 |
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| psycho_oreos | I wish I could break my n9, by using it as a hammer and repeatedly smacking Elop's head with it just like that couple's fight where the female smacked her male partner in the head with an ipod | 15:08 |
| psycho_oreos | s/E/F/ | 15:09 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: I wish I could break my n9, by using it as a hammer and repeatedly smacking Flop's head with it just like that couple's fight where the female smacked her male partner in the head with an ipod | 15:09 |
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| pawky | I would recommend a hammer, if one is into such things... | 15:13 |
| pawky | phones won't really cut it.. | 15:13 |
| psycho_oreos | n9 is a much better tool for that, afterall n9 is designed to mimick like iphone/ipod no? :) plus repeatedly smacking a failure in the head with a product of his creation is far more creative than using a hammer | 15:14 |
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| pawky | I am not so sure Elop is the one creating the N9... | 15:16 |
| psycho_oreos | He wasn't but he's directly responsible for the un-necessary creation of things known as shit | 15:16 |
| psycho_oreos | i.e. aegis, i.e. n9 | 15:17 |
| psycho_oreos | he may not have directly stopped the production but his decision through his choice of words made it directly his fault | 15:18 |
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| sigmaorion | is there any telnet client for harmattan? | 15:25 |
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| pawky | yes.. | 15:36 |
| pawky | have you tried to write telnet? | 15:36 |
| pawky | its there, at least after installing developer tools | 15:36 |
| pawky | putting the unit in developer mode.. i meant.. | 15:38 |
| sigmaorion | yeap, I tried, but its not there! | 15:40 |
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| psycho_oreos | search in the repo, if not, add the extra missing repositories (harmattan-dev, rzr) | 15:45 |
| * Khertan_W try to discover how to avoid gmail ... phone isp let me use only port 80 and 443 ... it s a problem for imap access on n950, but gmail exchange works | 15:56 | |
| Khertan_W | still no way to setup a vpn on harmattan ? | 15:57 |
| nid0 | dyou control your imap mailserver? | 16:01 |
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| Corsac | itsnotabigtruck: when do you port strongswan? :) | 16:04 |
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| jonni | Khertan_W: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4226&highlight=openvpn | 16:05 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Corsac: i kinda gave up on it | 16:19 |
| sigmaorion | pawky, sorry, I was disconnected... I get "not found" when I type "telnet" at the console, even as root | 16:20 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | it looks like it's not really practical without heavy-duty kernel hacking and there's a major complication due to policy routing being disabled | 16:20 |
| sigmaorion | I guess it's not included in the utilities... | 16:20 |
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| Corsac | itsnotabigtruck: arg, did you try to file a bug? | 16:22 |
| alterego | Anyone know where the one click flasher is for the N9? | 16:24 |
| alterego | I want to reflash mine .. | 16:24 |
| jonni | no one click flasher as such, but you can download nsu | 16:24 |
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| alterego | Ah, good point. | 16:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | alterego: use flasher and the fw image from navifirm, see my guide | 16:24 |
| * alterego gives that a go. | 16:24 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | oneclickflasher is just those 2 bundled together (but with an n950 image instead of n9) | 16:25 |
| alterego | Yes, I know | 16:25 |
| alterego | I have flasher and images, just not official PR images. | 16:25 |
| Khertan_W | jonni: oh thx i'ven't notice that tun/tap module are now available in kernel | 16:25 |
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| alterego | And I'd rather not void the warranty on my personal N9 ;) | 16:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it won't void the warranty, well, unless you do something abnormal | 16:27 |
| alterego | Where are you're instructions then? | 16:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82693 | 16:28 |
| pawky | sigmaorion: hmm... yeah, sorry I can see I installed it separately.. | 16:29 |
| pawky | sigmaorion: telnet_0.17-maemo2_armel.deb | 16:29 |
| jonni | RM696-07-1_PR_001:~# vpnc --version | 16:29 |
| jonni | vpnc version 0.5.3 | 16:29 |
| jonni | ;-) | 16:29 |
| pawky | jonni: where did you find it ? :-) | 16:30 |
| sigmaorion | pawky, yeap, I downloaded that package but I get "invalid package", I guess... let me try again! | 16:30 |
| pawky | jonni: as you might remember, i would like to install it but never found the vpnc package to download.. | 16:31 |
| pawky | sigmaorion: md5sum 48e995e28bd46294ced12225b25c2fe5 | 16:33 |
| pawky | sigmaorion: if i got all the characters and numbers right.. | 16:33 |
| sigmaorion | pawky, it's installing now, may be it was another file with a similar name | 16:33 |
| pawky | :-) | 16:34 |
| sigmaorion | pawky, it works now!!! Thanks a lot!!!!!!!! | 16:34 |
| sigmaorion | I really needed this! | 16:34 |
| sigmaorion | now I can configure the routers on-the-go.. hehe! | 16:34 |
| pawky | sigmaorion: yup.. | 16:35 |
| pawky | i really need vpnc... | 16:35 |
| jonni | pawky: I dont think that there are public harmattan deb avail, ie you need to compile it yourself, fremantle instructions should give good hints http://www.tbi.univie.ac.at/~xtof/N900/vpnc-N900.html | 16:35 |
| pawky | cannot anybody who already compiled it put it on the web? :-) | 16:35 |
| pawky | I cannot say I do have any developer suite for armel up and running... :-( | 16:36 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | pawky: just build vpnc's debian package from scratchbox | 16:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | boom done | 16:41 |
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| pawky | i am all ears.. | 16:41 |
| pawky | itsnotabigtruck: ok... seems to be a spare time evening event.. | 16:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pawky: download the files, dpkg-source -x, dpkg-buildpackage -b -rfakeroot | 16:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the 1st one you point at the dsc file, the 2nd one you do from inside the new directory with the stuff in it | 16:44 |
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| pawky | I assume thats when using Debian or Ubuntu... and not on the phone right? | 16:45 |
| pawky | and I need to install the scratchbox environment first.. | 16:46 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | yeah | 16:46 |
| pawky | right.. thus an evening event it is then.. :-) | 16:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just do it, anyone who's serious needs scratchbox loaded | 16:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but yeah, not that quick | 16:46 |
| pa | anyone using the emulator here? | 16:51 |
| pa | is it supposed to be deadly slow? | 16:51 |
| pawky | i hope more slow than deadly... ;-) | 16:56 |
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| mgedmin | yeah, the emulator is unusably slow | 17:06 |
| mgedmin | the simulator, on the other hand, is okay | 17:06 |
| mgedmin | but not 100% accurate | 17:06 |
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| Sazpaimon | im trying to build the nitdroid kernel and it doesnt seem to be working | 17:27 |
| Sazpaimon | im not sure which config e-yes used for the dualboot binary he distributed | 17:28 |
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| pa | do i have mce-dev with qtsdk? | 17:37 |
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| Sazpaimon | theres no special process to building the kernel right? | 17:48 |
| Sazpaimon | just make defconfig_file | 17:48 |
| Sazpaimon | and make | 17:48 |
| Sazpaimon | in scratchbox | 17:48 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: and then make modules, yeah | 17:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or... | 17:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | do dpkg-buildpackage -b -rfakeroot | 17:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but that will build the kernel 3 times to make all the packages | 17:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also not sure if e-yes's kernel plays nice with the packaging stuff | 17:51 |
| Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, why should I need to make modules | 17:55 |
| Sazpaimon | theyre on the device already | 17:55 |
| Sazpaimon | i only should need the zImage | 17:55 |
| Sazpaimon | either way, I checked out the latest source from the nitdroid repository, and build the zimage, the file size doesnt match the binary he made though | 17:55 |
| Sazpaimon | and the volup/voldown keys dont work to trigger the boot menu | 17:56 |
| Sazpaimon | and it doenst actually boot the OS | 17:56 |
| Sazpaimon | im assuming it kernel panics somewhere | 17:56 |
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| Sazpaimon | i guess ill check with e-yes when he comes around | 18:02 |
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| Siva | Hi has anyone tried QML Sheet? | 18:54 |
| torarne[home] | hmm, i can't seem to bring up the maemo-display-name or icon for my package, even when copying the fields from another control file | 18:54 |
| torarne[home] | is the package manager on the device caching the info somehow, using stale info? or what could be going on? | 18:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | torarne[home]: how are you installing your package | 18:55 |
| torarne[home] | pkgmngr install-file -f | 18:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | unless you use pkgmgr to install, it doesn't refresh until next time pkgmgrd is started i think | 18:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hmm, then it should be instant | 18:55 |
| torarne[home] | the description field and version updates | 18:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | are you specifying it as XSBC-Maemo-Display-Name? | 18:55 |
| torarne[home] | after each install | 18:55 |
| torarne[home] | but not the display-name or icon, the icon is generic, and the name is same as pacakge | 18:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (the S and C are optional but the X and B are needed) | 18:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also the icon should be XB-Maemo-Icon-26 iirc | 18:56 |
| torarne[home] | let me try a verbatim copy of a file i know works | 18:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | torarne[home]: close application manager, killall pkgmgrd, reopen app manager | 19:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ahhhhh lag | 19:01 |
| torarne[home] | there seems to be some caching going on, because i tried a new pacakge, and missed the arch, set it to all | 19:04 |
| torarne[home] | then it complains about the package having the wrong arch | 19:04 |
| torarne[home] | even after i update it to armel | 19:04 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | btw what's mounted on /var/tmp on harmattan | 19:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the tmpfs at /tmp is miniscule so it's useless for anything substantial | 19:06 |
| torarne[home] | tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,noatime,size=4096k) | 19:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but what about /var/tmp | 19:06 |
| torarne[home] | i dont have that mount :/ | 19:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also are you sure you used the right package? changing the architecture changes the output filename | 19:07 |
| pa | still cant register to tmo | 19:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, that must mean it's stored on the rootfs then | 19:07 |
| pa | wtf | 19:07 |
| torarne[home] | itsnotabigtruck: yeah, would seem so (root fs) | 19:08 |
| pa | do you think it's because i suck in math and i answer wrong to the spam check level2 question? (what is the square root of sixty four) | 19:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 19:19 |
| pa | nothing.. im a spammer | 19:19 |
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| torarne[home] | itsnotabigtruck: this is really weird, i've copied an existing control file, just change the package name and display name, and packaged it, and it still shows up with the vanilla name and icon | 19:48 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | torarne[home]: post your control file on https://crypty.ch | 19:52 |
| torarne[home] | itsnotabigtruck: https://crypty.ch/p/NrkoHR25#151c126d92b1850621de1d6db5fa8488 | 19:57 |
| torarne[home] | itsnotabigtruck: that's the same file as copied from another package that works fine, with added fucks ;) | 19:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | torarne[home]: lol | 19:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, by all standards that ought to work | 19:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | does it look as expected if you dpkg -I the package? | 19:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and are you 100% sure you're copying in the right package | 19:59 |
| torarne[home] | itsnotabigtruck: yepp, if i modify the description it changes in the ui | 19:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i've made that mistake before, where i bumped the version then scp'd in the package with the old filename | 20:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | since changing package name / version / arch changes the name and it's easy to forget with the old files left around | 20:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, hmm | 20:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and did you try that pkgmgrd killing stuff? | 20:00 |
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| torarne[home] | yepp | 20:02 |
| torarne[home] | hmm, weird, when i use pkgmgr package-details on the original pacakge, it has a DisplayName field | 20:04 |
| torarne[home] | but not for my pacakge | 20:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | how about the dpkg -I check | 20:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if it doesn't have a line saying Maemo-Display-Name in the output it's definitely not going to work | 20:05 |
| torarne[home] | but that's the thing, the package that works has DisplayName: Snowshoe Mobile | 20:05 |
| torarne[home] | while mine has XSBC-Maemo-Display-Name: Snowshoe Mobile Fuck | 20:05 |
| torarne[home] | as if it wasnt parsed | 20:05 |
| torarne[home] | mine has Repository: local-file | 20:08 |
| torarne[home] | perhaps that thing only works with remote repos? | 20:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | torarne[home]: waaaaaaait | 20:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | where are you putting the line | 20:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | this is why i told you to check dpkg -I | 20:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | twice | 20:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which it doesn't look like you checked | 20:13 |
| torarne[home] | ah, iiiii, not lllll | 20:14 |
| torarne[home] | sorrry man, bad font | 20:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | dpkg-buildpackage parses debian/control and puts the lines in the 3 different control files (source control, binary control, changes control) | 20:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the XSBC prefix isn't supposed to go in the final files, it's for dpkg-buildpackage's use | 20:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | actually it's dpkg-genchanges or some helper utility like that | 20:14 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | that's why the prefix is there, since you're adding a field it doesn't know about you have to tell it where it's supposed to be included | 20:15 |
| torarne[home] | aaah, mystery solved! | 20:15 |
| torarne[home] | i wasnt using dpkg-buildpackage | 20:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so if you're doing some sort of non-standard package build you have to lose the prefix, or better yet, so it the proper way | 20:15 |
| torarne[home] | right | 20:15 |
| torarne[home] | so i just removed the prefix and now it works | 20:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you aren't, then what *are* you using? | 20:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | qt creator uses dpkg-buildpackage under the hood | 20:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | using dpkg -b is bad | 20:16 |
| torarne[home] | https://github.com/jordansissel/fpm | 20:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for one your package probably lacks aegis hashes | 20:16 |
| torarne[home] | what are they? i see the other package has digsigsums and md5sums | 20:18 |
| torarne[home] | and Aegis-Manifest: empty | 20:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | torarne[home]: ah, think about switching to dpkg-buildpackage instead | 20:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's a lot of magic that fpm probably isn't doing | 20:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | md5sums is just a list of md5 hashes of all the files, ot sure if it's used fr anything | 20:19 |
| torarne[home] | so it seems | 20:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | digsigsums is aegis specific and it has the hashes that get added to the ref hashlist | 20:19 |
| torarne[home] | if i can get away with 1% of the magic manually if that's whats needed im fine | 20:19 |
| torarne[home] | itsnotabigtruck: is that in the control.tar.gz or how is that bundled? | 20:20 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | torarne[home]: yeah, digsigsums, md5sums, and conffiles go in control | 20:20 |
| torarne[home] | so digisums is the aegis file? | 20:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the Aegis-Manifest line doesn't do anything and can be ignored, but if your package has an aegis manifest you need to add it as an archive membernamed _aegis | 20:21 |
| torarne[home] | i see | 20:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in the deb ar archive, not in the tar.gzs | 20:21 |
| torarne[home] | right | 20:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it might be a good idea to define an empty set policy for aegis, then add extra credentials as you go along | 20:22 |
| torarne[home] | what happens when im missing digisums? | 20:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i.e. least privilege | 20:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it own't be possible to run your stuff outside of developer mode | 20:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and the aegis policy probably won't activate | 20:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you have a manifest | 20:22 |
| torarne[home] | ah, i see. by "outside of developer mode", you mean if someone has developer mode turned off? | 20:23 |
| torarne[home] | and then installs my pacakge? | 20:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah | 20:23 |
| torarne[home] | interesting | 20:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | when developer mode is off, relaxed mode is off, which means scripts/executables can only be run if they're on the hash list | 20:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | note that turning off developer mode using the switch won't undo that | 20:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | uninstalling aegis-dev-mode will undo that however | 20:24 |
| torarne[home] | ah, i see, so i cant test on my own device without uninstalling that one | 20:25 |
| torarne[home] | good to know | 20:25 |
| torarne[home] | thanks for picking your brain :) | 20:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also you can turn off relaxed mode for the current boot with aegisctl -r | 20:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in fact that's a better way to test | 20:25 |
| torarne[home] | ah, nice! | 20:25 |
| torarne[home] | so i guess as long as i manage to generate digisums for my executable, i can just stuff it into the conreols and im good right? | 20:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though you'll need inception + opensh (or aegis-dss-tools) + aegisctl for that | 20:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | probably...but that way won't be pretty | 20:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you're really better off doing it the debian way, it's surprisingly easy | 20:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also that way you'll have a DSC and tar.gz that you can upload to OBS, and through that to apps for meego | 20:26 |
| torarne[home] | god point | 20:27 |
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| torarne[home] | i guess the qtsdk/madde stuff has special versions of the debain scripts that also generate the digisums and embeds the aegis manifesT? | 20:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | torarne[home]: yeah, and scratchbox too | 20:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | use scratchbox though | 20:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i just mentioned dsc files, i don't think it's easy to get those out of qtc | 20:30 |
| torarne[home] | no can sb, cross-compiling on mac :) | 20:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | vm running linux :p | 20:30 |
| torarne[home] | :P | 20:31 |
| torarne[home] | not enough space on small ssd :P | 20:31 |
| torarne[home] | buy new ssd you say… ? | 20:31 |
| torarne[home] | good point | 20:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 20:32 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | depending on your laptop youmight be able to install a second drive for bulk storage, though that probably isn't good for battery | 20:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though if it's a desktop then that's not a problem at all | 20:33 |
| torarne[home] | im just gonna go for the madde-bundled deb-helpers, should be fine | 20:33 |
| pa | how does it exactly work with scratchbox? say you code your nice little application with qtcreator. then? | 20:39 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://invisiblebread.com/2012/03/computer-repair/ | 21:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pa: not really sure how to convert a qt creator project to a debian source package | 21:19 |
| pa | itsnotabigtruck, so how do you create an N9 app directory tree and files? by hand? or do you have a template? | 21:24 |
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| rhkfin | I have N950 PR1.2beta that refuses to update Twitter, Facebook & Drive. Any ideas what to do or flash PR1.2? | 21:32 |
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| henkie- | what kind of development environment is needed / recommended for the n9? I am looking at qt-creator, but it seems a bit broken | 21:51 |
| henkie- | also it doesnt seem to 'know' my phone (resolution, widgets?, emulator) | 21:52 |
| phako | henkie-: did you download the stand-alone version or the SDK? | 21:53 |
| phako | if you downloaded the SDK, did you install the extended stuff? | 21:53 |
| henkie- | I have the SDK | 21:54 |
| henkie- | yes, I have checked most of the harmattan stuff in the installer | 21:55 |
| henkie- | maybe the problem is, I also have qt-creator installed from my disto | 21:56 |
| henkie- | anyway, the help of qt-creator seems completely broken also | 21:56 |
| henkie- | It reports --> "The page could not be found | 21:56 |
| henkie- | 'http://www.google-analytics.com/ga.js | 21:56 |
| henkie- | Error: Error downloading http://www.google-analytics.com/ga.js - server replied: Forbidden' " | 21:56 |
| rhkfin | Where do I find info on using N9 backup tool - what does it store & where, in which format etc.. | 21:57 |
| henkie- | as far as I can see, I have the offline documentation installed | 21:57 |
| henkie- | not sure why it would call google-analytics | 21:58 |
| henkie- | http://abcnews.go.com/US/disruptive-pilot-locked-cockpit-diverts-jetblue-flight/story?id=16013298 | 22:01 |
| henkie- | oops wrong channel, sorry | 22:01 |
| phako | henkie-: sorry, no idea | 22:01 |
| henkie- | too bad | 22:02 |
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| henkie- | i'll try again as other user, maybe my settings are messing things up, thanks tho :) | 22:03 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | pa: dh_make is the usual way to do it | 22:09 |
| pa | ah thanks | 22:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you need a debian directory with control, rules, compat, copyright, maybe a couple others in it | 22:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh and changelog | 22:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | control is where the metadata goes, changelog is...a changelog (it's where the version comes from too), copyright has the license info | 22:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rules controls the build process | 22:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | as of a couple years ago, it's possible to have a super-trivial rules file that automatically handles autoconf and regular old gnu make builds | 22:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not sure if it knows about qmake though | 22:11 |
| phako | it does | 22:27 |
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| rhkfin | thp: Damn the captcha in your blog, I tried to write a comment but after 8 captcha trials I give up. | 22:30 |
| rhkfin | thp: Was about to ask what files to backup before reflashing to be able to restore brain party (which is SO cool, thanks for porting it!!!) | 22:31 |
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| gabriel9 | howdy | 23:14 |
| gabriel9 | anyone near Banja Luka? I'm baking pancakes. | 23:15 |
| thp | rhkfin: it's actually a blogger feature where old blog posts have moderation-only comments (so i have to manually review and confirm them, which i've done now) | 23:18 |
| thp | rhkfin: brain party is available from maemo extras, so no need to backup anything (or do you mean your play progress/"brain weight" stats?) | 23:18 |
| rhkfin | thp: ah, ok :) Got kind of frustrated seeing the same screen appear all the time again :) | 23:19 |
| rhkfin | thp: I'd like to backup the progress (on N9) | 23:19 |
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| thp | rhkfin: /home/user/.brainparty should be what you want to backup/restore | 23:27 |
| rhkfin | thanks | 23:28 |
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| rishi | I was curious to know how the support for Exchange servers has been implemented in the N9. It uses Exchange ActiveSync as the protocol, right? | 23:35 |
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