IRC log of #harmattan for Tuesday, 2012-03-27

itsnotabigtruckM4rtinK: perhaps?00:00
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M4rtinKitsnotabigtruck: I have already a rating from you though :)00:02
itsnotabigtruckright, lol00:02
itsnotabigtruckM4rtinK: you had a version in staging before you uploaded this one, right00:02
itsnotabigtrucki hope the same thing that happened to mine doesn't happen to yours00:03
itsnotabigtruckwhich is bossbot clobbering the new version with the old version after the approval00:03
M4rtinKlets hope not :)00:03
M4rtinKdid they do something about it ?00:03
itsnotabigtruckad-hac's sorted out now but it required direct intervention00:03
M4rtinKI remember actually uploading multiple version of the currently stable package before promotion00:04
M4rtinKand I'm quite sure the right one was promoted00:04
itsnotabigtruckjust loaded up crunchbang in a VM, so far, so good00:05
M4rtinKalso some feedback for reviewers would be good00:05
M4rtinKI don't thing they get any currently00:05
itsnotabigtruckwhat sort of feedback?00:06
M4rtinKfor the reviewers if you update the package00:07
M4rtinKwhich might be quite a frequent occurance, as this is the testing repository00:08
M4rtinKeq. reviewers find bugs you have missed -> you fix the bugs & update the package -> they are notified00:09
M4rtinKmight not be an email, just a notification on the AFM website or in the app00:10
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itsnotabigtruckbtw what do you think would the best approach for an app testing model00:14
itsnotabigtruckfor a community app store thing00:14
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itsnotabigtruckobviously AFM's approach isn't really working out, but part of the problem is a lack of users00:15
M4rtinKits really chicken and egg00:19
M4rtinKno users -> not testers -> not apps in stable -> no users :)00:20
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M4rtinKand Ovi works currently quite OK00:21
M4rtinKon the other hand, if AFM supported shared libraries00:21
M4rtinKwell that would something that Ovi just doesn't have :)00:21
M4rtinKalso regarding testing, filling feedback in the AFM client would really help IMHO00:22
M4rtinKalso maybe also easy from client registration00:22
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M4rtinKthe current work-flow is quite complicated00:23
itsnotabigtruckit's just that i'm thinking about making something with less OBS and more inception00:23
itsnotabigtrucki.e. installing from a trusted domain so that apps can assert inception-only privileges00:24
itsnotabigtruckso the question is, how to keep the garbage out without making insurmountable barriers00:25
MohammadAGif anyone feels like implementing swipe gestures (not the compositor thing) in an MWidget:
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MohammadAGI'm not sure why the directions are messed up, but it did take some time to figure out00:28
M4rtinKwhen we take packaging aside - OBS is nice but the current work-flow is currently VERY difficult to get handle of00:28
MohammadAGoh and MWidget::gestureEvent() should be a bool not a void, guess that's a bug in MTF00:28
M4rtinKthe current QA mechanism is IMHO quite nice00:29
M4rtinKjust nit enough people00:29
M4rtinKwhich might not be a problem for insception specific things00:29
M4rtinKas it seems to be quite popular already, at least on TMO00:30
itsnotabigtruck < wtf00:31
MohammadAGand lol: Documentation is like sex: when it is good, it is very, very good. And when it is bad, it is better than nothing. - Dick Brandon00:31
e-yes_Sazpaimon, yes, multiboot is n900-specific, but you can reuse many ideas/codesnippets from it00:32
M4rtinKwhat about that webpage ? :)00:32
itsnotabigtruckM4rtinK: the domain name00:34
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M4rtinKoh, like that repository browser ?00:41
itsnotabigtruckyeah, lol00:44
Sazpaimongod damn finally got wubi working00:49
Sazpaimonnow to flash this damn kernel00:49
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Sazpaimonand its still not working00:56
Sazpaimoni flash the kernel and initrd, and it doesnt enumerate properly to the OS00:56
Sazpaimonusb 2-1.4: device descriptor read/64, error -11001:00
Sazpaimonitsnotabigtruck, any ideas01:00
itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon: you said you flashed it?01:01
itsnotabigtruckwhen i told you about it i specifically said not to flash it01:02
itsnotabigtruckyou boot it01:02
Sazpaimonby that I mean i loaded flasher01:02
Sazpaimon*not* flashed it to the device01:02
itsnotabigtruckah ok01:02
Sazpaimonsudo flasher --load -k vmlinuz- -n initrd.img-rescue- --boot01:02
itsnotabigtruckwell, then i guess it doesn't work01:02
Sazpaimontail -f /var/log/syslog01:02
itsnotabigtruckand it wasn't just windows incompatibility01:02
Sazpaimonyeah really01:02
itsnotabigtruckanyway, if you don't mind obliterating everything the full flash ought to clear things up...i'm out of other ideas01:03
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Sazpaimonguess I'll reflash my rootfs and see where that gets me01:03
Sazpaimoni have a nokia link backup from yesterday handy01:03
Sazpaimonwell, that still didn't work01:10
Sazpaimonit does the nokia startup tune and restarts01:11
Sazpaimonthat reflash i still used e-yes_'s kernel, let me use the one from the fiasco image now01:11
Sazpaimonflashed with regular kernel, still rebooting01:13
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itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon: it definitely won't work with a non-stock kernel and stock rootfs01:15
itsnotabigtruckwell, if the changes are enough to make the modules incompatible01:16
itsnotabigtruckwhich would be the case with the e-yes kernel01:16
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Sazpaimonand like I said, used regular kernel with the same result01:18
Sazpaimontried setting R&D flags: ERROR: SU_SET_PARAMETER_REQ terminated with error code 10: Security failure01:18
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Sazpaimonthats a new one01:20
Sazpaimonany idea why that may be01:20
Sazpaimonweird, restarted and tried again, now it worked01:21
Sazpaimonokay, turned off lifeguard reset01:21
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Sazpaimondisabling lifeguard rreset makes it boot, as expected01:23
Sazpaimonmy status bar is missing01:25
Sazpaimonitsnotabigtruck, you ever run into this?01:25
Sazpaimonalso the screen wont lock01:26
Sazpaimonthe app menu is all messed up, too01:27
Sazpaimonwifi hotspot is the first application01:27
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Sazpaimonphone is way down on the 4th row01:27
Sazpaimoni cant enable developer mode01:28
Sazpaimoni can't go online01:30
Sazpaimonlike, selecting the connect button in settings doesnt do anything01:30
Sazpaimonkeypad doesnt work01:31
Sazpaimonas in, it doesnt show up01:31
Sazpaimonokay, I got the internet to work01:32
itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon: weird01:32
itsnotabigtruckmaybe your emmc is hosed somehow?01:33
itsnotabigtrucktry getting as much data off as possible, then do both main and emmc in one fell swoop01:33
itsnotabigtrucki mean, that's kind of a cop-out solution, there's probably a real solution out there01:33
MohammadAGanyone got Qt::TapAndHoldGesture working?01:33
itsnotabigtruckbut i have no idea what it is01:33
MohammadAGit keeps triggering the event 3 times01:33
Sazpaimonlet me install fingerterm01:34
Sazpaimonthat should help01:34
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Sazpaimonsince that doesnt use the vkb01:35
itsnotabigtruckarg, rootstrap download is taking forever01:35
Sazpaimonno nokia account set up01:36
Sazpaimonergo, no ovi store01:36
Sazpaimonno wifi, so i cant ssh01:36
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Sazpaimoncan someone snag a deb of fingerterm for me01:40
Sazpaimonmaybe i can text myself a link and it will work01:40
padoing gconftool-2 -recursive-list shows, at the end, some draft messages, that i cannot see anywhere else01:41
pawhere are they stored? and how to delete them?01:41
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Sazpaimonuh wtf01:46
Sazpaimoninstalled developer mode01:46
Sazpaimoneverything is back to normal01:46
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Sazpaimonwell, kind of01:47
Sazpaimonstatus bar is showing up01:47
Sazpaimonvkb still doesnt work01:48
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Sazpaimonwell fingerterm installed, but it wont start :/01:52
paok, removed01:54
pahope those stuff are not saved also somewhere else01:54
Sazpaimonokay, managed to ssh in from sdk mode01:56
Sazpaimon"/opt/fingerterm/bin/fingerterm" Failed to connect to remote themedaemon. Retrying in one second.01:56
itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon: try devel-su -c 'devel-su /opt/fingerterm/bin/fingerterm user'01:58
itsnotabigtruckunless you're already running as user01:58
Sazpaimonyeah i was running as root when i did that01:58
itsnotabigtrucktry invoker --type=e /opt/fingerterm/bin/fingerterm01:58
Sazpaimonfailed to copy default config from resources01:58
Sazpaimonwhat other command should i try01:59
Sazpaimoni see this in my syslog:02:01
SazpaimonMar 26 19:00:27 (2012) obexd[28903]: stat(/home/user/.obex-root): No such file or directory (2)02:01
SazpaimonMar 26 19:00:27 (2012) obexd[28903]: /usr/bin/obex-root-setup exited with status 102:01
SazpaimonMar 26 19:00:27 (2012) obexd[28903]: Unable to setup root folder /home/user/.obex-root02:01
Sazpaimoni think I see the isue02:01
Sazpaimonand it may be my own supidity02:02
Sazpaimonitsnotabigtruck, could you ls /home for me02:02
Sazpaimonthen again it may not02:02
Sazpaimondoes /home just have user and developer?02:02
Sazpaimonand lost+found02:02
itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon: i think so02:03
itsnotabigtrucki don't have a shell open on my phone atm02:03
Sazpaimonfor some strange reason,/home/user is owned by root02:04
Sazpaimonthats not good02:04
Sazpaimonand probably why those errors are there02:04
Sazpaimonstrange because i didn't ever do that02:04
Sazpaimonyes and now magically everything seems to work02:06
itsnotabigtruckflashing the rootfs doesn't touch /home so that's why that wasn't fixed02:07
Sazpaimonmy status menu is setill weird02:07
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itsnotabigtruckflashing the emmc *might*, i'm not 100% sure02:07
Sazpaimonit shows up02:07
Sazpaimonbut tapping it doesnt show the actual menu02:07
Sazpaimonit just dims the screen02:07
Sazpaimonand my lock screen isnt working still02:07
Sazpaimonwhats the command for the lock screen again02:09
itsnotabigtruckno idea02:09
itsnotabigtruckdid you try rebooting after chowning ~02:09
Sazpaimon/home/user/.config is also owned by root:root02:10
itsnotabigtruckbetter chown -hR user:users /home/user02:13
itsnotabigtruckor whatever it's supposed to be02:13
Sazpaimonthat will chown aegis stuff too02:14
itsnotabigtrucki think it'll keep going if it runs into problems02:15
Sazpaimoneither way, I think i took care of them all02:16
Sazpaimononly MyDocs is group owned by root02:16
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Sazpaimoni did that so root could do stuff in MyDocs02:16
Sazpaimonbecause lazy02:16
itsnotabigtruckjust opensh up in order to do that02:17
itsnotabigtruckthat activates dac_override02:17
Sazpaimonthere was no opensh at the time02:17
Sazpaimonlook at that02:17
Sazpaimonmagically everything seems to be working02:17
Sazpaimonnow to reload my backup02:18
Sazpaimonfun times02:18
Sazpaimongotta reboot into windows for that02:19
Sazpaimonmay as well disable R&D mode now, see if everything is in order02:19
Sazpaimonim kinda baffled as to why it did this02:20
Sazpaimoncleared R&D mode, no problems02:21
* Sazpaimon boots back into windows02:22
Sazpaimonalright, restore time02:27
Sazpaimonguess i should reflash openmode kernel first though02:27
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Sazpaimonokay, redid all my tweaks03:00
Sazpaimongood as new03:00
Sazpaimonafter having the small icon set for so long, the normal icon size looks so huge03:00
teleshoesanyone know a thumbnail viewer for the n9?03:01
teleshoesor a way to manually add photos to the tracker so that they get picked up by Gallery?03:02
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Sazpaimonanyone know if el-v1.db from an N900 has contacts?03:12
Sazpaimonor just conversations03:12
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teleshoesi dont think it does03:18
teleshoesthe events table stores the phone number in the rows; i would imagine it would store a uuid for a contact instead03:19
Sazpaimonweird, I used n900-comhist-import to re-import my N900 smses03:19
Sazpaimonand none of them are there03:19
Sazpaimonjust a few of my skype messags03:19
Sazpaimonokay, fixed on reboot03:24
Sazpaimononly missing about 5 months of smses03:24
Sazpaimoncould be worse03:25
SazpaimonI have them all from august of 09 to november of 1103:25
teleshoesnow that you have them, you may be interested in smsbackuprestore03:25
Sazpaimonalready installed it03:26
auenfi5so the verdict of the story is not to delete tracker .cache ;)03:26
teleshoesthe real moral is nokia is a jerk for using the tracker for everything03:26
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teleshoestake note smsbackuprestore v0.303:27
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mtdanybody seen this error before from tracker-store: Tracker-Critical **: Unable to create index for nie:informationElementDate:04:37
mtdI suspect that's the cause of tracker-store's terrible performance04:38
teleshoesin case anyones interested, i have toggling the torch/flashlight from the lockscreen working05:16
teleshoesyou can push vol+ to toggle it05:17
itsnotabigtruckmight be susceptible to pocket flashing though05:21
teleshoesyea, it auto-turns off after 5min-05:22
teleshoesbut i also want to disable it when the screen is completely off05:22
teleshoesuntil then, i actually have it "hold volume down, double-tap volume up"05:22
teleshoesawkward, but id hate to burn out my flashbulb05:23
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Sazpaimoni made a kind of "boot menu" using text2screen and some basic config file05:56
Sazpaimonbasically, when you start the phone, it shows a little countdown05:58
Sazpaimonand you press volup05:58
Sazpaimonand it shows a list of OSes05:58
Sazpaimonyou press voldown to toggle through the list, and volup to boot it05:58
teleshoesany chance for nemo support?05:59
Sazpaimonthats the idea05:59
Sazpaimonif I can boot nemo via a chroot (like how nitdroid works) then yeah05:59
teleshoesbeats having to flash it05:59
Sazpaimonnitroid boots fine with06:00
Sazpaimonwith it06:00
Sazpaimonand regular harmattan of course06:00
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teleshoeshey, anyone know how to detect if the screen is off?06:43
teleshoeswhen on the lock screen, that is06:44
teleshoesgets set to 0 when the screen darkens,06:44
teleshoesbut doesnt come back until you unlock the screen06:44
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itsnotabigtruckteleshoes: probably some mce/dsme dbus query for it07:03
teleshoesim looking, but not finding07:04
teleshoesmcetool doesnt have it in it, anyway07:04
Sazpaimonso someone stole my credit card details and bought things from aliexpress07:07
teleshoesthats balls07:07
Sazpaimonof all places, aliexpress07:07
Sazpaimoni like those guys too07:07
Sazpaimonat least they got back to me07:07
Sazpaimonthey confirmed that my details were used, and I asked them if they can supply the order details so i can report it to the police07:08
itsnotabigtrucka while back somebody charged credit reports for other people on my card07:13
Sazpaimonitsnotabigtruck, did you hear07:16
Sazpaimoni made a boot menu07:16
Sazpaimonits really just a junky bash script that works with text2screen and chroot07:16
Sazpaimonbut it works07:17
SazpaimonIm trying to see if its possible to boot nemo without repartitioning07:19
itsnotabigtruckhow does chroot interact with mounting07:20
Sazpaimonthat is to say, just have the filesystem in the /home partition and boot that up07:20
Sazpaimonyou can mount from within a chroot07:20
itsnotabigtruckare all the paths relative to the current root, or the absolute root?07:20
itsnotabigtruckwhat about mounts outside the current root?07:20
Sazpaimonits happening from preinit, so you just chroot /mnt/os /sbin/init07:20
Sazpaimonand then the OS boots from there07:20
Sazpaimonits basically like when you have an initrd, and change the root and boot from that07:21
itsnotabigtrucki'm just not really sure how stuff works that early in the boot process and i'm worried it might be not quite the same as an absolute root07:21
Sazpaimonit works for androd07:21
Sazpaimonthats how sillyboot works07:21
itsnotabigtrucki don't think a normal initrd involves chrooting for example07:21
Sazpaimoni always thought switch_root in an initrd did a chroot type thing07:22
Sazpaimonand runs init07:22
Sazpaimonlooking at the busybox source code, it looks like thats what it does07:23
itsnotabigtruckmakes sense, i suppose07:25
Sazpaimonright now i need to compile the harmattan kernel with the same settings as nemo's kernel07:25
itsnotabigtruckin the case of android-harmattan dual boot it would still probably be desirable to be able to un-android the kernel when running in harmattan07:25
Sazpaimonas well as android's settings07:25
Sazpaimonhopefully all 3 OSes can run off of the same kernel07:26
itsnotabigtruckalso maybe a fancy gui menu could be made :D07:26
Sazpaimonat least, nemo and harmattan07:26
Sazpaimonfrom preinit?07:26
Sazpaimoni dont think so07:26
itsnotabigtruckis it possible to access the framebuffer device?07:26
itsnotabigtruckprobably could do some x-free arrangement07:26
Sazpaimonmaybe, but it wouldnt be worth it07:26
Sazpaimonespecially with the limited button layout07:26
Sazpaimoni couldnt get evkey to recognize the power button07:27
Sazpaimononly volup and voldown07:27
Sazpaimonso voldown selects the OS, and volup boots it07:27
itsnotabigtruckit would be worth it to make it look cool :p07:28
Sazpaimondoes fremantle have a gui boot menu for any of its boot menu things*?07:28
Sazpaimonive never done multiboot on fremantle07:28
Sazpaimonand afiak its a different animal compared to HARM07:28
itsnotabigtruckalso the related question is how would you access touchscreen input07:29
Sazpaimoni dont think it'd be possible that early in the boot process07:30
Sazpaimoni'll work on getting nemo booting in the morning07:30
Sazpaimontired now07:30
itsnotabigtruckwell, one way to do it might be boot enough to run an x server, display the menu, then shut it down and chroot/exec07:30
Sazpaimonim actually surprised at how fast android boots after the first boot07:31
itsnotabigtruckbut that's not very efficient07:31
Sazpaimonit only takes a few seconds07:31
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itsnotabigtruckhas anyone figured out what this message means07:40
itsnotabigtruckcellular: csd[627]: simatk_report_event_notification:460 Building and sending ATK_REPORT_EVENT_NTF -message07:40
itsnotabigtruckrepeated every second in the syslog07:41
itsnotabigtruckit seems to happen on AT&T only07:41
dm8tbritsnotabigtruck: it's obviously related to the SIM toolkit. which is e.g. used for a custom operator menu across phones07:42
teleshoesargh, every mce call for display off simply returns tklock mode07:42
teleshoesget_display_status, get_tklock_mode, get_inactivity_status07:43
itsnotabigtruckdm8tbr: right but AT&T doesn't supply any sim atk menus07:44
itsnotabigtruckand it obviously isn't normal to spam the event log with messages every second07:44
itsnotabigtruckespecially since it doesn't happen on other carriers07:44
tehdelyyeah i get those too07:45
itsnotabigtruckall the other results about this say "don't worry about it" or nothing, but obviously there's some cause behind this07:45
tehdelyand i'm on AT&T07:45
tehdelyand nobody's offered a useful explanation07:45
dm8tbritsnotabigtruck: they might do other stuff with the toolkit. e.g. enforced memory entries or data APN07:45
itsnotabigtruckdm8tbr: well, the key is what EVENT_NTF actually means07:45
tehdelyit probably means 'remote spy mode enabled, all sound being forwarded to NSA'07:45
tehdelythis is AT&T we're dealing with, after all07:46
tehdelyitsnotabigtruck is a very suspicious character07:46
tehdelyi heard he has even worn a hoodie07:46
dm8tbritsnotabigtruck: you could just disable the simatk process?07:46
itsnotabigtruckdm8tbr: also, data APNs don't have anything to do with simatk afaik07:47
itsnotabigtruckand on the N9 they're determined by looking them up in a table, or i think it also supports OMA DP07:47
itsnotabigtruckor whatever it's called07:47
dm8tbritsnotabigtruck: I never looked deeper into what ATK can do, just saying there's more to it than just the menu.07:48
itsnotabigtrucki'm not really sure though07:48
itsnotabigtruckyeah, looking at the spec for it, it's way more than menus07:48
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itsnotabigtruckso it looks like the sim can ask to be notified about 'events'08:03
itsnotabigtruckdm8tbr: you're right, ntf has to be notification, just noticed the function's called report_event_notification, lol08:03
itsnotabigtruckbut then, does that mean csd logs every time it pushes event info, and why is it happening so often for at&t in particular08:04
itsnotabigtruck see section 7.5, there's a lot of events08:06
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itsnotabigtrucka 2.5" hdd generates a really surprising amount of noise08:22
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SpeedEvilitsnotabigtruck: Depends on the HD08:31
SpeedEvilSome can be near-silent08:31
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* mtd has fixed (mostly) tracker-store hogging CPU! Index was missing on "nie:InformationElement_nie:informationElementDate" (ID, "nie:informationElementDate")09:18
mtdtouchdown - that was a bear :/09:19
* mtd has no idea how tracker managed to lose that index, and then corrupt the referential integrity of that table, preventing the index being re-added automatically (as it appears to try to do at startup)09:19
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mtdwow, the facebook app prepares some stupidly large sqlite queries: 1067495 characters long10:23
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mtd$ grep facebook ~/.local/share/tracker/tracker-store.log | wc -L10:23
mtds/facebook app/facebook messaging plugin/10:24
keitsimtd, no wonder, the facebook app seems very slow at times10:25
keitsithat's why I prefer fMobi10:25
mtdit's some terrible join across all the contacts with a facebook ID, which clearly should be a dynamic join rather than a prepared statement.10:26
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fralskeitsi: except, the facebook app does not use tracker in that way...10:44
* mtd was talking about the facebook messaging "plugin" (not sure what the right term is; telepathy provider?)10:57
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MohammadAGI'm not sure why the Facebook app is slow11:05
MohammadAGFacebook data processing shouldn't be that hard11:05
MohammadAGSociality is quite fast11:05
MohammadAGAnd uses a shitload of caching in RAM, yet still uses about 12-15MBs with heavy usage11:06
MohammadAGAnd it's all in one thread as of now11:06
gabriel9|workwho knows what it does in background11:45
gabriel9|workis it native qtquick?11:46
gabriel9|workand is it posible to mix qtquick with html in some dark magic way?11:46
* mtd never noticed how tracker-store is getting crushed by prepared statements. current favouriteL11:47
mtd...favourite:  'SELECT 1 FROM (SELECT 1)'11:47
fluxyou need to have an ORM to get that :)11:48
mtd...for extra bonus points, it's being prepared multiple times...#2 on the top-ten most prepared prepared statements!11:48
mtdflux: heheh11:48
mtdin case anyone has debugging on: grep "Preparing query" ~/.local/share/tracker/tracker-store.log | cut -c 1-200 | cut -c 50- | sort | uniq -c | sort -n | tail11:49
mtdto make your own top-ten list11:49
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* mtd is missing how to use strace under aegis; I'm getting "attach: ptrace(PTRACE_ATTACH, ...): Operation not permitted" even though I'm running develsh12:27
mtdanyone strace'd a process on n950?12:27
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jonnimtd: and you have checked with accli -I that you have CAP::sys_ptrace?12:52
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mtdjonni: no but thanks for the tip: user@RM680:~$ accli -I | grep ptra CAP::sys_ptrace13:13
mtderr...multi-line past is stupid but yes, I have it13:13
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jonniand the process that your trying to attach, was started with that capa too? or what process are you trying to debug?13:28
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diorahmanthere is no IAP for harmattan :-(13:33
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nebulonHi can anyone help me with this problem: "/bin/develsh: Operation not permitted"13:47
nebulonwhenever I try to ssh into the device as "developer"13:47
nebuloneven as root on the phone terminal, I get that message when trying to execute /bin/develsh13:47
petterii just ssh as user and then login as root with devel-su13:48
petteriI mostly use the usb interface/cable connection as the terminal is really laggy otherwise13:50
nebulonpetteri: what is the "user" password, then?13:50
nebulonit is not the one shown in the sdk-connection tool13:50
psycho_oreos"rootme" for devel-su13:51
nebulonthat I know..but for the ssh login13:52
petterii think i used passwd to change the user password, not sure13:52
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nebulonpetteri: so easy..thanks for the hint ;-)13:54
psycho_oreosany of you are running openmode kernel on pr1.1 (nokia n9 to be precise). I just want to know if you can restore backups that were made when aegis was in effect prior to flashing into openmode kernel13:54
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pawkypsycho_oreos: I think you will run into some aegis issues..  wont you?14:24
psycho_oreospawky, yeah I don't know about that (and in some cases I hope not).14:25
pawkyI am pretty sure you will... go ask mr Aegis himself djszapi. He knows aaaal about it ;-)14:25
pawkybut to my knowledge some parts are encrypted with the original user running...14:26
pawkyand with the flash, you will not be able to decrypt these things..14:27
pawkythere might be a slight risk you F... up your unit and might have to reflash it.. thus I wouldn't recommend it14:27
pawkyor reflash.... reset it at least..14:28
psycho_oreospawky, with the aegis on, its even more lame imo :)14:28
psycho_oreosunnecessary security/DRM crap14:28
pawkywell.. yes, and no...14:28
pawkyits a fairly smart design idea, no one who finds your unit or steal it will be able to easily get your information..14:29
pawkythen again, the implementation has its flaws in itself... and you should be able to disable it if wanting to..14:29
psycho_oreosthat's what a lock code is for with automatic lock14:29
psycho_oreosoh and 10 (but should be a lot less than that) password attempts before resetting14:30
padeb harmattan/sdk free non-free14:30
pawhy cant i access it from firefox?14:30
pawkywell... if you mean just locking your phone, it wont work that well through the USB14:30
psycho_oreosbecause its not meant to be browsed publicly pa14:30
pai see14:30
pais there a way i can download fuse-utils from there?14:31
pa(if it's there)14:31
pai mean, i need the .deb14:31
psycho_oreospawky, how do you mean? if developer mode wasn't enabled and one can't get to enumerate block devices, how can one have access to the contents of n9?14:31
pacoz i have to install it forcing the deps14:31
pawkypsycho_oreos: by using some creative thinking and a hammer?... :-)14:33
pawkyor screwdriver... if prefered..14:33
jonnipa: packages from that repo are not meant for the device. those packages are meant for scratchbox only.14:33
paah i see14:34
paso no sshfs on the device?14:34 have openvpn do you not? :-)14:35
psycho_oreospawky, apart from that single rather pointless (which is almost unlikely to happen with stolen phones) case, I see aegis is nothing more than nokia's way of enforcing DRM absurdly14:35
jonniyou dont have mount command access on device by default, but other way around works, you can sshfs mount your N9 from ubuntu.14:35
patrue, but only as user14:35
jonniyou can sshfs root too, if you google a bit14:36
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pawkypsycho_oreos: well.. hear ye, I am in full agreement with you there... but the idea, the thought of encrypting your data might still be ok.. if  its a volentary thing..14:36
torarne[home]jonni: sshfs works if you use inception14:36
torarne[home]pa: —^14:36
jonnitorarne[home]: I said "by default"14:37
* torarne[home] missed that :)14:37
psycho_oreospawky, I hate to dig up headstone stuff, but there is a thing called truecrypt and that there is a fremantle owner trying to make full encryption work on his device. nokia could have improvised on that basic fundamentals but no, they had to overengineer something like aegis whereby it controls anything and everything. Too much resources is being spent on unnecessary junk imo14:38
patorarne[home], what do you mean? if i manage to install it with all the dependencies in place, it wouldnt still work without incepting?14:39
pai mean atm i have a dependency problem14:39
pawkyok... i give up...  what i meant is, the idea Nokia provides encryption for those who has no clue what happens behind the curtains, is a good thing...14:40
pawkybut it should be something that we who do know... (or atleast think we do) can disable...14:40
torarne[home]pa: i mean if you incept installing opensh, you can mount from within that14:40
pai see14:40
psycho_oreosnokia likes to overengineer things, much like how they scrapped the idea of selling N950 and make more of them but instead create a whole new device, dubbed it as n9 and publicly state this will be their last maemo/meego venture14:41
pawkyi am not so sure about it actually being a whole new device.. component wise..14:42
psycho_oreosI wouldn't think the manufacturers would kindly spend time on pulling chips off N950 board and replacing the appropriate ones to be placed on n9. Let alone the creation of a completely new case, plus this so-called gorilla glass14:43
psycho_oreosthen again I don't have N95014:43
pawkywell.. to my knowledge the N9 has a far better screen compared to the N950.. its the lack of a keyboard that irritates me at times..14:46
psycho_oreosI loathed and I still do loathe at the sight of keyboard-less `clean' looking device14:47
psycho_oreosit still sickens me when I could have easily went for android had they not been using dalvik vm14:47
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pawkywell... you can put in whatever OS you want in either an android phone or the Nokia..14:49
psycho_oreosbottom line is that nokia likes to overengineer.. like the security with aegis, like the N950/n9 case (note how I deliberately used lowercase when describing n9 to note its inferiority compared to the rest of the maemo heritage/lineage)14:49
petterin950/N9 :)14:51
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pawkywell... all I am saying.. the thought of encrypting user data is not a bad thing... its enforcing upon all users that is...14:52
psycho_oreosno, n9 is inferior, in literally every aspect14:52
pawkywether N9 is inferior or not, is a totally different matter..14:52
pawkyand overengineering is not a bad thing in my oppinion.. i like over engineered things..14:53
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djszapitime to leave :)14:53
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psycho_oreosits just a crippling backward step just for it to be dubbed `stylish'. Its not nokia's tablet style, its lame-o-rama iphone wannabe style14:53
pawkydjszapi: could you ever imagine me saying these words here in the forum ;-)14:53
psycho_oreosright, like overcooked pork roast14:53
pawkyWell you could always use the N900, if you do not like the "over engineered N9"...14:54
pawkythat one is a great phone to..14:54
pawkyperfect hacker phone..14:54
psycho_oreospawky, great internet tablet with phone functionality in which one could only wished N950 were publicly available14:55
deramn900 is far from perfect, but it was good enough14:55
pawkyi believe Nokias sellout to Microsoft is the issue here...14:55
deramhad 810 been phone...14:56
pawkyderam: my N900 was perfect...14:56
psycho_oreossomeone on tmo thread did tried to make a phone out of N81014:56
pawkystill is a matter of fact..14:56
derampawky: I'd have liked 810 with phone capabilities more14:56
pawkypsycho_oreos: its called SIP phone..14:56
pawkyderam: its called a N900...14:57
psycho_oreoseverytime I ran my N900 (which every so often these days it sees itself sitting inside its original box), my N900 teases me with all its former glory14:57
derampawky: the keyboard for example is inferior in n90014:57
psycho_oreospawky, hey well at least it was somewhat an innovation :)14:57
deramand the form factor of 810 would have been better suited for my needs.14:57
pawkymy N900 has a great form factor :-)14:58
MohammadAGGot 80WPM on the kn14:58
psycho_oreosthe N950 looked nice with that E7 lookalike or identical shell14:58
pawkyit has a keoboard.. a camera lens shield.. great resolution..14:58
psycho_oreosI didn't quite like the little backstand on N900 but N900 is the only maemo device I have apart from n914:59
pawkywell.. its at the back.. it makes the phone stand.. what more could one expect? :-)14:59
psycho_oreospawky, something like N8x0 series kickstand :D14:59
pawkyI can kick mine while it stands... for sure... :-D15:01
pawkywould be a bit sad though..15:01
psycho_oreosI was really fast with the age old T9 keyboard (n95-1 days), then after getting used to N900's hw keyboard, I was tapping away happily. I wrote excessive long lines with the hardware keyboard on N900 (till the paint on the keys started peeling off). These days with vkb on n9, it makes me cringe everytime I tap on the screen just to print a letter15:01
psycho_oreostry really sad instead of a bit :p15:02
pawkywell.. for people in love, "get a room" for people who types a lot... "get a keyboard"...15:02
psycho_oreosI'd rather moan about n9's pathetic-ness :)15:03
psycho_oreosits called sharing the love :p15:03
pawkymine works well... better than I thought, to be honest..15:03
* mgedmin ♥ his N915:04
psycho_oreosmgedmin, sell me your N950 then ;p j/k15:04
mgedminI'd be happy to, if I owned one15:04
pawkyyeah thats what I am waiting for.. a N950 sellout... :-D15:05
pawkycome on you little developers... give up developping and sell them to us lUsers... :-)15:05
psycho_oreosthe other week I broke the vkb on n9. Months ago before n9 was slated for release, I constantly voiced my concerns for the fragility of vkb, it was apparent on N900 and I basically ate my own poison when I locked my lock screen and the vkb actually broke :p15:06
pawkywell.. I rather tend to break the whole unit.. mostly by just owning them.. I am on my third now.. but the keyboard still works.. :-)15:07
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mgedminhow did you break the vkb?15:07
psycho_oreosdon't ask :)15:07
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psycho_oreosI wish I could break my n9, by using it as a hammer and repeatedly smacking Elop's head with it just like that couple's fight where the female smacked her male partner in the head with an ipod15:08
infobotpsycho_oreos meant: I wish I could break my n9, by using it as a hammer and repeatedly smacking Flop's head with it just like that couple's fight where the female smacked her male partner in the head with an ipod15:09
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pawkyI would recommend a hammer, if one is into such things...15:13
pawkyphones won't really cut it..15:13
psycho_oreosn9 is a much better tool for that, afterall n9 is designed to mimick like iphone/ipod no? :) plus repeatedly smacking a failure in the head with a product of his creation is far more creative than using a hammer15:14
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pawkyI am not so sure Elop is the one creating the N9...15:16
psycho_oreosHe wasn't but he's directly responsible for the un-necessary creation of things known as shit15:16
psycho_oreosi.e. aegis, i.e. n915:17
psycho_oreoshe may not have directly stopped the production but his decision through his choice of words made it directly his fault15:18
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sigmaorionis there any telnet client for harmattan?15:25
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pawkyhave you tried to write telnet?15:36
pawkyits there, at least after installing developer tools15:36
pawkyputting the unit in developer mode.. i meant..15:38
sigmaorionyeap, I tried, but its not there!15:40
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psycho_oreossearch in the repo, if not, add the extra missing repositories (harmattan-dev, rzr)15:45
* Khertan_W try to discover how to avoid gmail ... phone isp let me use only port 80 and 443 ... it s a problem for imap access on n950, but gmail exchange works15:56
Khertan_Wstill no way to setup a vpn on harmattan ?15:57
nid0dyou control your imap mailserver?16:01
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Corsacitsnotabigtruck: when do you port strongswan? :)16:04
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itsnotabigtruckCorsac: i kinda gave up on it16:19
sigmaorionpawky, sorry, I was disconnected... I get "not found" when I type "telnet" at the console, even as root16:20
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itsnotabigtruckit looks like it's not really practical without heavy-duty kernel hacking and there's a major complication due to policy routing being disabled16:20
sigmaorionI guess it's not included in the utilities...16:20
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Corsacitsnotabigtruck: arg, did you try to file a bug?16:22
alteregoAnyone know where the one click flasher is for the N9?16:24
alteregoI want to reflash mine ..16:24
jonnino one click flasher as such, but you can download nsu16:24
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alteregoAh, good point.16:24
itsnotabigtruckalterego: use flasher and the fw image from navifirm, see my guide16:24
* alterego gives that a go.16:24
itsnotabigtruckoneclickflasher is just those 2 bundled together (but with an n950 image instead of n9)16:25
alteregoYes, I know16:25
alteregoI have flasher and images, just not official PR images.16:25
Khertan_Wjonni: oh thx i'ven't notice that tun/tap module are now available in kernel16:25
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alteregoAnd I'd rather not void the warranty on my personal N9 ;)16:25
itsnotabigtruckit won't void the warranty, well, unless you do something abnormal16:27
alteregoWhere are you're instructions then?16:27
pawkysigmaorion: hmm... yeah, sorry I can see I installed it separately..16:29
pawkysigmaorion: telnet_0.17-maemo2_armel.deb16:29
jonniRM696-07-1_PR_001:~# vpnc --version16:29
jonnivpnc version 0.5.316:29
pawkyjonni: where did you find it ? :-)16:30
sigmaorionpawky, yeap, I downloaded that package but I get "invalid package", I guess... let me try again!16:30
pawkyjonni: as you might remember, i would like to install it but never found the vpnc package to download..16:31
pawkysigmaorion: md5sum 48e995e28bd46294ced12225b25c2fe516:33
pawkysigmaorion: if i got all the characters and numbers right..16:33
sigmaorionpawky, it's installing now, may be it was another file with a similar name16:33
sigmaorionpawky, it works now!!! Thanks a lot!!!!!!!!16:34
sigmaorionI really needed this!16:34
sigmaorionnow I can configure the routers on-the-go.. hehe!16:34
pawkysigmaorion: yup..16:35
pawkyi really need vpnc...16:35
jonnipawky: I dont think that there are public harmattan deb avail, ie you need to compile it yourself, fremantle instructions should give good hints
pawkycannot anybody who already compiled it put it on the web? :-)16:35
pawkyI cannot say I do have any developer suite for armel up and running... :-(16:36
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itsnotabigtruckpawky: just build vpnc's debian package from scratchbox16:41
itsnotabigtruckboom done16:41
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pawkyi am all ears..16:41
pawkyitsnotabigtruck: ok... seems to be a spare time evening event..16:43
itsnotabigtruckpawky: download the files, dpkg-source -x, dpkg-buildpackage -b -rfakeroot16:43
itsnotabigtruckthe 1st one you point at the dsc file, the 2nd one you do from inside the new directory with the stuff in it16:44
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pawkyI assume thats when using Debian or Ubuntu... and not on the phone right?16:45
pawkyand I need to install the scratchbox environment first..16:46
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pawkyright.. thus an evening event it is then.. :-)16:46
itsnotabigtruckjust do it, anyone who's serious needs scratchbox loaded16:46
itsnotabigtruckbut yeah, not that quick16:46
paanyone using the emulator here?16:51
pais it supposed to be deadly slow?16:51
pawkyi hope more slow than deadly... ;-)16:56
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mgedminyeah, the emulator is unusably slow17:06
mgedminthe simulator, on the other hand, is okay17:06
mgedminbut not 100% accurate17:06
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Sazpaimonim trying to build the nitdroid kernel and it doesnt seem to be working17:27
Sazpaimonim not sure which config e-yes used for the dualboot binary he distributed17:28
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pado i have mce-dev with qtsdk?17:37
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Sazpaimontheres no special process to building the kernel right?17:48
Sazpaimonjust make defconfig_file17:48
Sazpaimonand make17:48
Sazpaimonin scratchbox17:48
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itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon: and then make modules, yeah17:50
itsnotabigtruckdo dpkg-buildpackage -b -rfakeroot17:50
itsnotabigtruckbut that will build the kernel 3 times to make all the packages17:50
itsnotabigtruckalso not sure if e-yes's kernel plays nice with the packaging stuff17:51
Sazpaimonitsnotabigtruck, why should I need to make modules17:55
Sazpaimontheyre on the device already17:55
Sazpaimoni only should need the zImage17:55
Sazpaimoneither way, I checked out the latest source from the nitdroid repository, and build the zimage, the file size doesnt match the binary he made though17:55
Sazpaimonand the volup/voldown keys dont work to trigger the boot menu17:56
Sazpaimonand it doenst actually boot the OS17:56
Sazpaimonim assuming it kernel panics somewhere17:56
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Sazpaimoni guess ill check with e-yes when he comes around18:02
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SivaHi has anyone tried QML Sheet?18:54
torarne[home]hmm, i can't seem to bring up the maemo-display-name or icon for my package, even when copying the fields from another control file18:54
torarne[home]is the package manager on the device caching the info somehow, using stale info? or what could be going on?18:54
itsnotabigtrucktorarne[home]: how are you installing your package18:55
torarne[home]pkgmngr install-file -f18:55
itsnotabigtruckunless you use pkgmgr to install, it doesn't refresh until next time pkgmgrd is started i think18:55
itsnotabigtruckhmm, then it should be instant18:55
torarne[home]the description field and version updates18:55
itsnotabigtruckare you specifying it as XSBC-Maemo-Display-Name?18:55
torarne[home]after each install18:55
torarne[home]but not the display-name or icon, the icon is generic, and the name is same as pacakge18:56
itsnotabigtruck(the S and C are optional but the X and B are needed)18:56
itsnotabigtruckalso the icon should be XB-Maemo-Icon-26 iirc18:56
torarne[home]let me try a verbatim copy of a file i know works18:58
itsnotabigtrucktorarne[home]: close application manager, killall pkgmgrd, reopen app manager19:00
itsnotabigtruckahhhhh lag19:01
torarne[home]there seems to be some caching going on, because i tried a new pacakge, and missed the arch, set it to all19:04
torarne[home]then it complains about the package having the wrong arch19:04
torarne[home]even after i update it to armel19:04
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itsnotabigtruckbtw what's mounted on /var/tmp on harmattan19:05
itsnotabigtruckthe tmpfs at /tmp is miniscule so it's useless for anything substantial19:06
torarne[home]tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,noatime,size=4096k)19:06
itsnotabigtruckbut what about /var/tmp19:06
torarne[home]i dont have that mount :/19:07
itsnotabigtruckalso are you sure you used the right package? changing the architecture changes the output filename19:07
pastill cant register to tmo19:07
itsnotabigtruckalso, that must mean it's stored on the rootfs then19:07
torarne[home]itsnotabigtruck: yeah, would seem so (root fs)19:08
pado you think it's because i suck in math and i answer wrong to the spam check level2 question? (what is the square root of sixty four)19:17
panothing.. im a spammer19:19
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torarne[home]itsnotabigtruck: this is really weird, i've copied an existing control file, just change the package name and display name, and packaged it, and it still shows up with the vanilla name and icon19:48
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itsnotabigtrucktorarne[home]: post your control file on https://crypty.ch19:52
torarne[home]itsnotabigtruck: that's the same file as copied from another package that works fine, with added fucks ;)19:57
itsnotabigtrucktorarne[home]: lol19:59
itsnotabigtruckwell, by all standards that ought to work19:59
itsnotabigtruckdoes it look as expected if you dpkg -I the package?19:59
itsnotabigtruckand are you 100% sure you're copying in the right package19:59
torarne[home]itsnotabigtruck: yepp, if i modify the description it changes in the ui19:59
itsnotabigtrucki've made that mistake before, where i bumped the version then scp'd in the package with the old filename20:00
itsnotabigtrucksince changing package name / version / arch changes the name and it's easy to forget with the old files left around20:00
itsnotabigtruckwell, hmm20:00
itsnotabigtruckand did you try that pkgmgrd killing stuff?20:00
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torarne[home]hmm, weird, when i use pkgmgr package-details on the original pacakge, it has a DisplayName field20:04
torarne[home]but not for my pacakge20:04
itsnotabigtruckhow about the dpkg -I check20:04
itsnotabigtruckif it doesn't have a line saying Maemo-Display-Name in the output it's definitely not going to work20:05
torarne[home]but that's the thing, the package that works has DisplayName: Snowshoe Mobile20:05
torarne[home]while mine has XSBC-Maemo-Display-Name: Snowshoe Mobile Fuck20:05
torarne[home]as if it wasnt parsed20:05
torarne[home]mine has Repository: local-file20:08
torarne[home]perhaps that thing only works with remote repos?20:08
itsnotabigtrucktorarne[home]: waaaaaaait20:13
itsnotabigtruckwhere are you putting the line20:13
itsnotabigtruckthis is why i told you to check dpkg -I20:13
itsnotabigtruckwhich it doesn't look like you checked20:13
torarne[home]ah, iiiii, not lllll20:14
torarne[home]sorrry man, bad font20:14
itsnotabigtruckdpkg-buildpackage parses debian/control and puts the lines in the 3 different control files (source control, binary control, changes control)20:14
itsnotabigtruckthe XSBC prefix isn't supposed to go in the final files, it's for dpkg-buildpackage's use20:14
itsnotabigtruckactually it's dpkg-genchanges or some helper utility like that20:14
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itsnotabigtruckthat's why the prefix is there, since you're adding a field it doesn't know about you have to tell it where it's supposed to be included20:15
torarne[home]aaah, mystery solved!20:15
torarne[home]i wasnt using dpkg-buildpackage20:15
itsnotabigtruckso if you're doing some sort of non-standard package build you have to lose the prefix, or better yet, so it the proper way20:15
torarne[home]so i just removed the prefix and now it works20:15
itsnotabigtruckif you aren't, then what *are* you using?20:16
itsnotabigtruckqt creator uses dpkg-buildpackage under the hood20:16
itsnotabigtruckusing dpkg -b is bad20:16
itsnotabigtruckfor one your package probably lacks aegis hashes20:16
torarne[home]what are they? i see the other package has digsigsums and md5sums20:18
torarne[home]and Aegis-Manifest: empty20:18
itsnotabigtrucktorarne[home]: ah, think about switching to dpkg-buildpackage instead20:18
itsnotabigtruckthere's a lot of magic that fpm probably isn't doing20:19
itsnotabigtruckmd5sums is just a list of md5 hashes of all the files, ot sure if it's used fr anything20:19
torarne[home]so it seems20:19
itsnotabigtruckdigsigsums is aegis specific and it has the hashes that get added to the ref hashlist20:19
torarne[home]if i can get away with 1% of the magic manually if that's whats needed im fine20:19
torarne[home]itsnotabigtruck: is that in the control.tar.gz or how is that bundled?20:20
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itsnotabigtrucktorarne[home]: yeah, digsigsums, md5sums, and conffiles go in control20:20
torarne[home]so digisums is the aegis file?20:21
itsnotabigtruckthe Aegis-Manifest line doesn't do anything and can be ignored, but if your package has an aegis manifest you need to add it as an archive membernamed _aegis20:21
torarne[home]i see20:21
itsnotabigtruckin the deb ar archive, not in the tar.gzs20:21
itsnotabigtruckit might be a good idea to define an empty set policy for aegis, then add extra credentials as you go along20:22
torarne[home]what happens when im missing digisums?20:22
itsnotabigtrucki.e. least privilege20:22
itsnotabigtruckit own't be possible to run your stuff outside of developer mode20:22
itsnotabigtruckand the aegis policy probably won't activate20:22
itsnotabigtruckif you have a manifest20:22
torarne[home]ah, i see. by "outside of developer mode", you mean if someone has developer mode turned off?20:23
torarne[home]and then installs my pacakge?20:23
itsnotabigtruckwhen developer mode is off, relaxed mode is off, which means scripts/executables can only be run if they're on the hash list20:24
itsnotabigtrucknote that turning off developer mode using the switch won't undo that20:24
itsnotabigtruckuninstalling aegis-dev-mode will undo that however20:24
torarne[home]ah, i see, so i cant test on my own device without uninstalling that one20:25
torarne[home]good to know20:25
torarne[home]thanks for picking your brain :)20:25
itsnotabigtruckalso you can turn off relaxed mode for the current boot with aegisctl -r20:25
itsnotabigtruckin fact that's a better way to test20:25
torarne[home]ah, nice!20:25
torarne[home]so i guess as long as i manage to generate digisums for my executable, i can just stuff it into the conreols and im good right?20:26
itsnotabigtruckthough you'll need inception + opensh (or aegis-dss-tools) + aegisctl for that20:26
itsnotabigtruckprobably...but that way won't be pretty20:26
itsnotabigtruckyou're really better off doing it the debian way, it's surprisingly easy20:26
itsnotabigtruckalso that way you'll have a DSC and tar.gz that you can upload to OBS, and through that to apps for meego20:26
torarne[home]god point20:27
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torarne[home]i guess the qtsdk/madde stuff has special versions of the debain scripts that also generate the digisums and embeds the aegis manifesT?20:29
itsnotabigtrucktorarne[home]: yeah, and scratchbox too20:29
itsnotabigtruckuse scratchbox though20:29
itsnotabigtrucki just mentioned dsc files, i don't think it's easy to get those out of qtc20:30
torarne[home]no can sb, cross-compiling on mac :)20:30
itsnotabigtruckvm running linux :p20:30
torarne[home] not enough space on small ssd :P20:31
torarne[home]buy new ssd you say… ?20:31
torarne[home]good point20:31
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itsnotabigtruckdepending on your laptop youmight be able to install a second drive for bulk storage, though that probably isn't good for battery20:33
itsnotabigtruckthough if it's a desktop then that's not a problem at all20:33
torarne[home]im just gonna go for the madde-bundled deb-helpers, should be fine20:33
pahow does it exactly work with scratchbox? say you code your nice little application with qtcreator. then?20:39
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itsnotabigtruckpa: not really sure how to convert a qt creator project to a debian source package21:19
paitsnotabigtruck, so how do you create an N9 app directory tree and files? by hand? or do you have  a template?21:24
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rhkfinI have N950 PR1.2beta that refuses to update Twitter, Facebook & Drive. Any ideas what to do or flash PR1.2?21:32
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henkie-what kind of development environment is needed / recommended for the n9?  I am looking at qt-creator, but it seems a bit broken21:51
henkie-also it doesnt seem to 'know' my phone (resolution, widgets?, emulator)21:52
phakohenkie-: did you download the stand-alone version or the SDK?21:53
phakoif you downloaded the SDK, did you install the extended stuff?21:53
henkie-I have the SDK21:54
henkie-yes, I have checked most of the harmattan stuff in the installer21:55
henkie-maybe the problem is, I also have qt-creator installed from my disto21:56
henkie-anyway, the help of qt-creator seems completely broken also21:56
henkie-It reports  --> "The page could not be found21:56
henkie-Error: Error downloading - server replied: Forbidden'  "21:56
rhkfinWhere do I find info on using N9 backup tool - what does it store & where, in which format etc..21:57
henkie-as far as I can see, I have the offline documentation installed21:57
henkie-not sure why it would call google-analytics21:58
henkie-oops wrong channel, sorry22:01
phakohenkie-: sorry, no idea22:01
henkie-too bad22:02
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henkie-i'll try again as other user, maybe my settings are messing things up, thanks tho  :)22:03
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itsnotabigtruckpa: dh_make is the usual way to do it22:09
paah thanks22:09
itsnotabigtruckyou need a debian directory with control, rules, compat, copyright, maybe a couple others in it22:10
itsnotabigtruckoh and changelog22:10
itsnotabigtruckcontrol is where the metadata goes, changelog is...a changelog (it's where the version comes from too), copyright has the license info22:10
itsnotabigtruckrules controls the build process22:11
itsnotabigtruckas of a couple years ago, it's possible to have a super-trivial rules file that automatically handles autoconf and regular old gnu make builds22:11
itsnotabigtrucknot sure if it knows about qmake though22:11
phakoit does22:27
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rhkfinthp: Damn the captcha in your blog, I tried to write a comment but after 8 captcha trials I give up.22:30
rhkfinthp: Was about to ask what files to backup before reflashing to be able to restore brain party (which is SO cool, thanks for porting it!!!)22:31
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gabriel9anyone near Banja Luka? I'm baking pancakes.23:15
thprhkfin: it's actually a blogger feature where old blog posts have moderation-only comments (so i have to manually review and confirm them, which i've done now)23:18
thprhkfin: brain party is available from maemo extras, so no need to backup anything (or do you mean your play progress/"brain weight" stats?)23:18
rhkfinthp: ah, ok :) Got kind of frustrated seeing the same screen appear all the time again :)23:19
rhkfinthp: I'd like to backup the progress (on N9)23:19
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thprhkfin: /home/user/.brainparty should be what you want to backup/restore23:27
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rishiI was curious to know how the support for Exchange servers has been implemented in the N9. It uses Exchange ActiveSync as the protocol, right?23:35
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