| Sazpaimon | there's no "tracker-process" command on harmattan? | 00:03 |
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| Sazpaimon | weird | 00:03 |
| Sazpaimon | is there an equivalent now? | 00:03 |
| MohammadAG | there is, but don't -r! | 00:03 |
| Sazpaimon | wy not | 00:03 |
| MohammadAG | resetting the database deletes contacts | 00:03 |
| Sazpaimon | why | 00:03 |
| Sazpaimon | all my concats are on my sim | 00:04 |
| MohammadAG | contacts are stored in the tracker database now | 00:04 |
| MohammadAG | well, your decision | 00:04 |
| Sazpaimon | im just trying to restore my messages | 00:04 |
| Sazpaimon | I emptied /home/user/.cache/tracker/ and all my messages went away | 00:04 |
| Sazpaimon | would a hard reset of tracker fix that? | 00:05 |
| MohammadAG | fix what, you deleted your messages and want to get them back with a reset? | 00:05 |
| Sazpaimon | honestly, I'm not sure | 00:05 |
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| Sazpaimon | i dont know why the cache hasnt been rebuilt on its own | 00:05 |
| MohammadAG | uh weird | 00:06 |
| MohammadAG | tracker-processes is indeed not there | 00:06 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah, its gone | 00:06 |
| MohammadAG | I could've sworn it was there on PR1.0 | 00:06 |
| Sazpaimon | i'd take it from my N900, but i dont think that'd be a good idea | 00:06 |
| Sazpaimon | tracker probably changed too much | 00:06 |
| MohammadAG | it won't work | 00:06 |
| MohammadAG | the subsystem was totally changed afaik | 00:06 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah | 00:07 |
| Sazpaimon | so what do I need to do to rebuild my messages | 00:07 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder what tracker-report-corruption is | 00:07 |
| Sazpaimon | /usr/bin/tracker-report-corruption: line 15: /usr/sbin/rich-core-dumper: not found | 00:07 |
| MohammadAG | it's a script | 00:07 |
| MohammadAG | cat it | 00:07 |
| Sazpaimon | what is "rich-core-dumper" | 00:08 |
| MohammadAG | no idea | 00:08 |
| MohammadAG | but it doesn't seem to help | 00:08 |
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| Sazpaimon | i mean, I have a nokia link backup from november | 00:09 |
| Sazpaimon | but i wanted to see if the data is still there | 00:09 |
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| Sazpaimon | where is the actual store | 00:09 |
| Sazpaimon | like, the actual message data | 00:09 |
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| MohammadAG | Sazpaimon, found something | 00:10 |
| Sazpaimon | oh? | 00:10 |
| Sazpaimon | this was so much easier on harmattan | 00:10 |
| MohammadAG | not sure what it does, I advise everyone not to try it tracker-control --soft-reset | 00:10 |
| MohammadAG | fremantle* | 00:10 |
| Sazpaimon | *fremantle | 00:10 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah | 00:10 |
| Sazpaimon | whoops | 00:10 |
| Sazpaimon | all i needed was el-v1.db | 00:11 |
| Sazpaimon | and i was fine | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG | You can not use the --hard-reset and --soft-reset arguments together | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG | hard-reset | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG | soft-reset | 00:11 |
| Sazpaimon | unfortunately i got messages come in after the messages got blanked | 00:12 |
| Sazpaimon | so hopefully that wont screw it up | 00:12 |
| Sazpaimon | http://pastebin.com/D3YiU59c output of --soft-reset | 00:12 |
| Sazpaimon | still nothing but my sim contacts | 00:13 |
| MohammadAG | FYI there's a script | 00:13 |
| Sazpaimon | my skype and gtalk contacts arent getting imported | 00:13 |
| Sazpaimon | should I try --hard-reset now? | 00:13 |
| Sazpaimon | i'd like to know where the message database actually *is* first | 00:13 |
| MohammadAG | --hard-reset deletes user data afaik | 00:14 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah lets not do that yet | 00:14 |
| Sazpaimon | let me double check the source of n900-comhist-import | 00:15 |
| Sazpaimon | that might have the harmattan database | 00:15 |
| Sazpaimon | oh, it doesnt look like a database | 00:16 |
| MohammadAG | Sazpaimon, cat /etc/osso-rfs-scripts/messaging-rfs.sh | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | don't run it | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | there's tracker-control -c lemme see what that does | 00:18 |
| MohammadAG | -c removes all config files | 00:20 |
| MohammadAG | I think you'll have to restart | 00:21 |
| MohammadAG | here are the params http://meego.gitorious.org/tracker/tracker/blobs/PR-1.2/src/tracker-control/tracker-control-general.c#line74 | 00:21 |
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| MohammadAG | I better go sleep, been awake for over a day | 00:23 |
| MohammadAG | gotta love uni | 00:23 |
| Sazpaimon | I've restarted a few times already | 00:25 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah this still isnt working | 00:31 |
| Sazpaimon | and whenever I go to contacts, I get "cant import contacts" | 00:35 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | 'sup | 00:40 |
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| Venemo | MohammadAG, good night :) | 00:44 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | hmm, my wifi hotspot is working way better this time | 00:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the problem is that joikuspot only lets you go on 2.4ghz channels 1, 6, and 11 | 00:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and same with pretty much all the other mobile hotspot things out there | 00:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so if you're in a place where you need it (like an airport), there's often a bunch of other people with their own APs deployed on the same channel you're on | 00:47 |
| Sazpaimon | I just made a nokia link backup from this | 00:48 |
| Sazpaimon | its 25MB | 00:48 |
| Sazpaimon | my opld backups were like 10MB | 00:49 |
| Sazpaimon | i dont know what nokia link backs up | 00:49 |
| Sazpaimon | is there a tool that opens up the lbu files? | 00:49 |
| Sazpaimon | oh good | 00:50 |
| Sazpaimon | 7zip opens it | 00:50 |
| Tronic | itsnotabigtruck: It would appear that the adjacent channels actually overlap, so don't expect ch 10 to work fine when 11 is already taken. | 00:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Tronic: but e.g. ch 8 might work better | 00:51 |
| Tronic | Even so, I guess that ch 9 could still work decent if either 6 or 11 is taken, as long as both of them aren't. | 00:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 5gig would be even better, hardly anybody uses 5gig | 00:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | = boom, no interference | 00:51 |
| Tronic | Also most devices won't be able to connect with your 5 GHz network. | 00:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's pretty normal on laptops | 00:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and laptops are what you're normally connecting with | 00:52 |
| Sazpaimon | apparently this lbu file wont open correctly in 7zip | 00:54 |
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| Sazpaimon | it shows a few files | 00:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83253 "lady owned"? wtf :p | 01:00 |
| ajalkane | Geek version of selling women's underpants? | 01:03 |
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| Sazpaimon | i thought selling women | 01:06 |
| Sazpaimon | s \4 | 01:06 |
| Sazpaimon | fucking cat | 01:06 |
| Sazpaimon | i thought selling women's underpants *is* a geek thing | 01:07 |
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| ajalkane | It's not a normal man thing? I'm becoming a geek! | 01:07 |
| ajalkane | I think I should get the sunday geek award, because I'd rather buy a lady N900 rather than lady underpants. Massive geek points, I think. | 01:09 |
| ajalkane | Forgot to add the "used" part there. That's essential in figuring out the geek points. | 01:10 |
| ajalkane | With these nuggets of wisdom, I depart to sleep | 01:16 |
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| Sazpaimon | so how can i figure out why I keep getting "can't import contact | 01:22 |
| Sazpaimon | s" when loading my contacts app | 01:22 |
| * ieatlint will sell a nokia n900 wrapped in women's underwear | 01:26 | |
| Sazpaimon | used? | 01:27 |
| ieatlint | yes, getting a new n900 is hard these days | 01:27 |
| sahib_ | how I'd love to have my n900 back from the dead :-( | 01:27 |
| Sazpaimon | ieatlint, i meant the underwear | 01:28 |
| * Sazpaimon rimshot | 01:28 | |
| ieatlint | depends on whether you have a qualifier on what it was used for or by whom | 01:28 |
| Sazpaimon | as long as it comes with pictures, i dont care | 01:29 |
| ieatlint | that'll be a statement you'll regret | 01:30 |
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| Sazpaimon | really guys, before i restore this backup | 01:44 |
| Sazpaimon | i'd like to know if there's a way to recover my messages | 01:44 |
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| auenfi5 | arent the messages stored in a db file? | 01:55 |
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| Sazpaimon | auenf, on the N900, yeah | 02:15 |
| Sazpaimon | i dont know anything about how they are on the N9 | 02:15 |
| Sazpaimon | or, if they are, where they're stored | 02:15 |
| auenfi5 | web2sms code would help? | 02:16 |
| auenfi5 | it grabs messages from the db iirc | 02:17 |
| auenfi5 | iirc, you deleted tracker? | 02:17 |
| Sazpaimon | i deleted the tracker cache | 02:17 |
| auenfi5 | ok, so if its just tracker stuffing up, a 3rd party app that grabs the messages from the db should theoretically work? | 02:18 |
| auenfi5 | or would they use tracker also? | 02:18 |
| Sazpaimon | i tried that too | 02:18 |
| Sazpaimon | it didnt work | 02:18 |
| auenfi5 | what did you try? | 02:18 |
| Sazpaimon | https://github.com/wwwjfy/MeegoSMSBackupRestore/ | 02:19 |
| Sazpaimon | also, whenever i go into my contacts, a "Can't import contacts" message pops up | 02:19 |
| Sazpaimon | and my skype and gtalk contacts dont show | 02:19 |
| auenfi5 | err, is that for meego or harmattan? | 02:19 |
| Sazpaimon | harmattan | 02:20 |
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| auenfi5 | hmm, home/user/.cache/tracker is blocked by aegis | 02:27 |
| auenfi5 | ? | 02:27 |
| Sazpaimon | I'm in open mode | 02:27 |
| auenfi5 | i'm not :P | 02:27 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah i dont know if it is | 02:27 |
| auenfi5 | hmm, 'metadata' user | 02:28 |
| auenfi5 | ok, found where mms are stored :P | 02:30 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah i dont do mms | 02:30 |
| auenfi5 | i have 2 mms that fail to download | 02:30 |
| auenfi5 | they are contact cards from iphone | 02:30 |
| auenfi5 | s | 02:30 |
| Sazpaimon | are you on t-mobile usa? | 02:31 |
| auenfi5 | nope | 02:31 |
| Sazpaimon | ah | 02:31 |
| Sazpaimon | iirc there's a fix for that i think | 02:31 |
| auenfi5 | does the fix require PR1.2? | 02:31 |
| Sazpaimon | it's relavent to tmobile usa users only i think | 02:31 |
| * auenfi5 gets the full error... | 02:32 | |
| auenfi5 | downloading failed | 02:32 |
| Sazpaimon | the fix is on n9 quick tweak | 02:32 |
| Sazpaimon | but i dont know *what* the fix it | 02:32 |
| Sazpaimon | *is | 02:32 |
| auenfi5 | qtweak? | 02:32 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah | 02:33 |
| auenfi5 | i must need to update qtweak then... | 02:33 |
| auenfi5 | home/user/.local/share/tracker | 02:34 |
| Sazpaimon | thats where log files are stored i think | 02:34 |
| Sazpaimon | but i dont see anything else there | 02:34 |
| auenfi5 | theres a data folder | 02:35 |
| Sazpaimon | all that's in there is an empty .meta.isrunning file | 02:35 |
| auenfi5 | it needs metadata user also | 02:36 |
| Sazpaimon | i'm using root, full root | 02:36 |
| auenfi5 | can you look at those locations in your backup? | 02:37 |
| Sazpaimon | i dont know how to open a nokia link backup file | 02:37 |
| Sazpaimon | it opens in 7-zip, but its missing a lot of files | 02:38 |
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| auenfi5 | the backup *should* have the message store in there somewhere right? | 02:38 |
| Sazpaimon | i should hope so | 02:39 |
| auenfi5 | my backup folder isnt helping either | 02:46 |
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| auenfi5 | Sazpaimon, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1148731#post1148731 | 02:51 |
| auenfi5 | so sms' are considered 'cache' ? | 02:51 |
| Sazpaimon | wow | 02:58 |
| Sazpaimon | so you put the only copy of smses in a cache folderC? | 02:58 |
| auenfi5 | thats what it looks like to me | 02:59 |
| Sazpaimon | kinda defeats the purpose of the name "cache" | 02:59 |
| Sazpaimon | guess I'll restore this november backup | 03:00 |
| Sazpaimon | and nokia link doesnt let me specify *what* to restore | 03:00 |
| Sazpaimon | inb4 it just overwrites EVERYTHING | 03:00 |
| auenfi5 | nokia link backup? | 03:00 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah | 03:00 |
| Sazpaimon | nokia link | 03:00 |
| auenfi5 | i looked at the backup folder on the phone | 03:00 |
| auenfi5 | and the messages.zip looks a little light | 03:01 |
| Sazpaimon | i use nokia link to back up | 03:01 |
| Sazpaimon | where is messages.zip? | 03:01 |
| auenfi5 | home/user/MyDocs/.backups | 03:01 |
| Sazpaimon | empty | 03:01 |
| Sazpaimon | guess i'm using nokia link | 03:02 |
| auenfi5 | its where the backup went when OTA update | 03:02 |
| Sazpaimon | well i OTA updated to PR1.2 | 03:02 |
| Sazpaimon | and its empty | 03:02 |
| auenfi5 | did you make backup before? | 03:02 |
| auenfi5 | or you backed up in nokia link instead? | 03:02 |
| Sazpaimon | not on-device | 03:02 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah | 03:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | has anyone had windows 7 stall at the hibernate resume screen before? | 03:03 |
| auenfi5 | let me double check location... | 03:03 |
| Sazpaimon | RM696-07-1_PR_001:/home/user# file . |grep messages.zip | 03:03 |
| Sazpaimon | RM696-07-1_PR_001:/home/user# | 03:03 |
| Sazpaimon | nothing | 03:03 |
| auenfi5 | home/user/MyDocs/.backups/Backup0/ | 03:03 |
| Sazpaimon | erm | 03:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the windows logo continues to animate but ther'es no disk activity and it doesn't finish after a couple mins | 03:03 |
| auenfi5 | messaging.zip | 03:03 |
| Sazpaimon | RM696-07-1_PR_001:/home/user# find . |grep messages.zip | 03:03 |
| Sazpaimon | find: ./.slpgwd/layer: Permission denied | 03:03 |
| Sazpaimon | RM696-07-1_PR_001:/home/user# | 03:03 |
| Sazpaimon | oh | 03:03 |
| Sazpaimon | RM696-07-1_PR_001:/home/user# find . |grep messaging.zip | 03:03 |
| Sazpaimon | find: ./.slpgwd/layer: Permission denied | 03:03 |
| Sazpaimon | RM696-07-1_PR_001:/home/user# | 03:03 |
| Sazpaimon | nada | 03:03 |
| auenfi5 | messaging.zip 2012-Jan-11 09:40:56 94.8K application/zip | 03:04 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah i dont have it | 03:04 |
| auenfi5 | but of that 94K, guess how much of it is mms | 03:04 |
| Sazpaimon | hopefully restoring this backup doesnt remove *new* data | 03:05 |
| auenfi5 | 93.8K is mms | 03:05 |
| auenfi5 | and i dont think this on-device backup did actually backup sms' | 03:05 |
| auenfi5 | only .mms and .commhistoryd under home/user | 03:06 |
| Sazpaimon | considering how important it is to store them | 03:06 |
| auenfi5 | hmm, qmailstore.db only has emails? | 03:07 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah this backup overwrote everything | 03:10 |
| Sazpaimon | oh well | 03:10 |
| auenfi5 | would have expected that | 03:10 |
| auenfi5 | but it did restore messages? | 03:11 |
| Sazpaimon | "No messages" | 03:11 |
| auenfi5 | hmm, it didnt backup/restore that | 03:11 |
| Sazpaimon | its like its partially restored | 03:11 |
| auenfi5 | or tracker needs to index? | 03:11 |
| Sazpaimon | maybe | 03:11 |
| Sazpaimon | actually | 03:11 |
| Sazpaimon | nokia link says its still restoring | 03:11 |
| Sazpaimon | well its done | 03:13 |
| Sazpaimon | but still nothing | 03:13 |
| auenfi5 | meta.db exists now? | 03:13 |
| Sazpaimon | well | 03:18 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah | 03:18 |
| Sazpaimon | nmo:SMSMessage table is empty | 03:18 |
| auenfi5 | so nothing backs up sms' correctly? | 03:18 |
| Sazpaimon | maybe pc suite | 03:19 |
| Sazpaimon | like, old pc suite | 03:19 |
| Sazpaimon | well, i still have my N900 messages | 03:22 |
| Sazpaimon | i'll restore them | 03:22 |
| * Sazpaimon restores the latest nokia link backupp | 03:22 | |
| Sazpaimon | all i really wanted was that one text message i got last week from an old co-worker | 03:23 |
| Sazpaimon | i lost his number and he sent me a text last week | 03:23 |
| Sazpaimon | meant to get back to him | 03:23 |
| auenfi5 | hmm, nokia link and on-device backup dont backup sms' | 03:23 |
| auenfi5 | and latest nokia suite doesnt work with n9 | 03:23 |
| auenfi5 | so sms' are expendable? | 03:24 |
| Sazpaimon | you need the old pc suite | 03:24 |
| Sazpaimon | like, pre-nokia suite | 03:24 |
| auenfi5 | yea, 3.3 | 03:24 |
| auenfi5 | or pre-3.3 | 03:24 |
| Sazpaimon | i dont know how it works with it | 03:24 |
| auenfi5 | i setup someone i know with the old ver so they can sync with outlook | 03:24 |
| Sazpaimon | it must be because pc suite works with fremantle | 03:24 |
| auenfi5 | and made sure i unticked the auto updates | 03:24 |
| auenfi5 | but he still managed to update it and get nokia link installed :P | 03:25 |
| Sazpaimon | i have both installed just fine | 03:25 |
| auenfi5 | both installed is fine | 03:25 |
| auenfi5 | but if you have old suite and it updates to new ver that doesnt support n9 | 03:26 |
| auenfi5 | it tells you to download nokia link | 03:26 |
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| Sazpaimon | my N900 backup has all my messages from my E71 too | 03:27 |
| Sazpaimon | i hope | 03:28 |
| auenfi5 | i didnt get around to getting my messages off my 7710 onto my n82 | 03:28 |
| auenfi5 | nor from n82 to n900 | 03:28 |
| auenfi5 | or n900 to n9 | 03:28 |
| teleshoes | n900 to n9 was easy | 03:28 |
| teleshoes | thx to whats-his-face | 03:28 |
| auenfi5 | and i think my messages are still on my 7650 also | 03:28 |
| auenfi5 | i was waiting for PR1.1 before using that | 03:29 |
| auenfi5 | but PR1.1 came early jan | 03:29 |
| Sazpaimon | dfgkfdghf | 03:30 |
| Sazpaimon | i restore this new backup | 03:30 |
| Sazpaimon | "can't import contacts" | 03:30 |
| Sazpaimon | BUT OF COURSE THERE'S NO REASON | 03:31 |
| Sazpaimon | OR LOG FILE | 03:31 |
| auenfi5 | use the cloud :P | 03:31 |
| Sazpaimon | OR ANYTHING | 03:31 |
| teleshoes | try manually replacing meta.db | 03:31 |
| teleshoes | from the backup file | 03:31 |
| teleshoes | then do vcardexporter | 03:31 |
| Sazpaimon | im importing them from my skype account | 03:31 |
| teleshoes | then put back your old meta.db | 03:31 |
| teleshoes | sry | 03:31 |
| teleshoes | n/m | 03:31 |
| Sazpaimon | i even removed meta.db | 03:35 |
| Sazpaimon | and .contacts in /home/user | 03:35 |
| Sazpaimon | same deal | 03:35 |
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| Sazpaimon | i even did a tracker-config --hard-reset | 03:50 |
| Sazpaimon | same deal | 03:50 |
| Sazpaimon | :/ | 03:50 |
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| * mtd has 650k rdfs:Resource_dc:date rows in his n950 tracker db, and isn't even popular | 05:34 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | 3.2 works fine | 05:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but you *might* have to start with 3.0 and add the n9 before upgrading | 05:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 3.3 def won't work | 05:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 3.1 or 3.2 or something was when it renamed to nokia suite | 05:35 |
| mtd | Sazpaimon: you can get the tracker db from the backup | 05:35 |
| mtd | Sazpaimon: and then use sqlite command line interface to look at the data | 05:36 |
| mtd | Sazpaimon: it might be obvious where the messages table is | 05:36 |
| mtd | Sazpaimon: if you had syslog running the message will be in /var/log/syslog* | 05:36 |
| mtd | Sazpaimon: ...as well. | 05:36 |
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| Sazpaimon | mtd, yes but how do you open a nokia link backup | 05:49 |
| Sazpaimon | [22:36] <mtd> Sazpaimon: if you had syslog running the message will be in /var/log/syslog* | 05:51 |
| Sazpaimon | nothing in my syslog about contacts being imported | 05:51 |
| Sazpaimon | or rather, failing to be imported | 05:52 |
| mtd | Sazpaimon: by "the message" I mean "all i really wanted was that one text message" that you were talking about | 05:53 |
| mtd | Sazpaimon: backups are in MyDocs/.backups | 05:53 |
| Sazpaimon | no, thats long gone | 05:53 |
| Sazpaimon | and my .backups folder is empty | 05:54 |
| mtd | Sazpaimon: there is a contacts.zip that has the tracker database in it | 05:54 |
| Sazpaimon | nope, it's empty | 05:54 |
| Sazpaimon | in fact, its not even there | 05:54 |
| Sazpaimon | ls: /home/user/MyDocs/.backups: No such file or directory | 05:54 |
| mtd | Sazpaimon: ok, well when I said "get the tracker db from the backup", I meant the backup you were trying to restore | 05:54 |
| mtd | "Sazpaimon> i restore this new backup" | 05:55 |
| Sazpaimon | my backup is from nokia link | 05:55 |
| Sazpaimon | which *appears* to have a tracker db backup from looking at the the strings of the file | 05:55 |
| Sazpaimon | but when i restored it, there was nothing | 05:55 |
| mtd | Sazpaimon: no idea what "nokia link" is, but have you tried finding...ok, well, there you go | 05:55 |
| mtd | grab sqlite3 | 05:55 |
| Sazpaimon | http://europe.nokia.com/support/product-support/nokia-link | 05:56 |
| mtd | and start looking at the list of tables | 05:56 |
| Sazpaimon | i cant extract the nokia link backup file | 05:56 |
| Sazpaimon | its some weird format | 05:56 |
| Sazpaimon | i can partially open it in 7-zip, but it doesnt contain any of the files i see in the strings of the file | 05:56 |
| mtd | Sazpaimon: it might be a zip of zips | 05:57 |
| mtd | Sazpaimon: if you're on a POSIX machine, what does the "file" command tell you about that backup file(s)? | 05:57 |
| Sazpaimon | let me open up my interix shell | 05:58 |
| Sazpaimon | (interix = posix from microsoft) | 05:59 |
| mtd | Sazpaimon: better you than me :) | 05:59 |
| Sazpaimon | 357923040512255_20111109221127.lbu: data | 05:59 |
| Sazpaimon | so nothing that sticks out i guess | 06:00 |
| mtd | Sazpaimon: my n950's backup utility creates directories of zip files which are the subdirs from the device's /home/user/.cache directory | 06:00 |
| mtd | Sazpaimon: sucks | 06:00 |
| mtd | Sazpaimon: what does 7-zip think it is? | 06:00 |
| Sazpaimon | 7zip and winrar both see it as a zip file | 06:02 |
| Sazpaimon | but all the zip file contains is my sources.list.d folder and an "osaBackup" file | 06:02 |
| Sazpaimon | which looks to be base64 encoded files of installed ovi store packages | 06:02 |
| mtd | Sazpaimon: hmm, sorry, no ideas | 06:06 |
| auenfi5 | Sazpaimon, what is the first few chars in the file? | 06:06 |
| auenfi5 | zip's start with PK | 06:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: did these SMSes contain your secret intel or something - given the importance of your typical SMS it doesn't seem like a huge loss | 06:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also the file utility might be useful | 06:06 |
| Sazpaimon | they didn't | 06:07 |
| Sazpaimon | I just kinda would like to have them | 06:07 |
| Sazpaimon | i mean | 06:07 |
| bef0rd | you should have used smsbackup | 06:07 |
| mtd | itsnotabigtruck: it's a pain though | 06:07 |
| bef0rd | its on the forums | 06:07 |
| bef0rd | xD | 06:07 |
| Sazpaimon | i have all my smses from 2009 to november 2011 from my N900 backup | 06:07 |
| Sazpaimon | which, by the way | 06:08 |
| mtd | bef0rd: the backups should not be in some crazy opaque format either | 06:08 |
| Sazpaimon | is so much easier to maintain than the N9 | 06:08 |
| Sazpaimon | and much less volitile | 06:08 |
| Sazpaimon | but i digress | 06:08 |
| Sazpaimon | i can restore this N900 backup, sure | 06:08 |
| Sazpaimon | im positive i lost that one text from my old co worker | 06:08 |
| Sazpaimon | oh well | 06:09 |
| Sazpaimon | what's still a mystery is why my gtalk and skype contacts refuse to import' | 06:09 |
| mtd | Sazpaimon: if you are playing with strings and can guess some of the text of the SMS, well... | 06:09 |
| Sazpaimon | mtd, not if theyre compressed | 06:09 |
| Sazpaimon | find is "/home/user/MyDocs/.tmp/trackerbackup" | 06:10 |
| mtd | Sazpaimon: indeed. If you saw some sqlite strings, it doesn't sound like they're compressed. | 06:10 |
| Sazpaimon | which, by the way, is not on my device | 06:11 |
| Sazpaimon | either way, that doesnt matter | 06:11 |
| Sazpaimon | I didn't just file names | 06:11 |
| mtd | Sazpaimon: that's the file that's in my backup's contacts.zip file, and that file is the tracker db with your texts in it | 06:11 |
| Sazpaimon | it doesnt matter, the smses on my N900 are about the same anyway | 06:11 |
| mtd | Sazpaimon: ah, so you found that string? That's probably a zip file header, then. | 06:11 |
| Sazpaimon | my main concern is why I can't import contacts | 06:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | clearly this backup/restore business isn't really fully baked :( | 06:12 |
| Sazpaimon | if I go to my accounts, and disable then enable skype or google, and then go to contacts, I just get "can't import contacts" or something | 06:12 |
| bef0rd | Sazpaimon, what restore software did you use to create the backup? | 06:13 |
| Sazpaimon | nokia link | 06:13 |
| Sazpaimon | but that's irrelavent, this happened before any backup/restore process | 06:13 |
| Sazpaimon | and I have no idea why | 06:23 |
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| Jaya_the_Cat | hi, after I deployed my app in harmattan with Qt Creator, how to I run without Qt Creator? | 06:57 |
| Jaya_the_Cat | I mean, get it to the applications menu like all other apps | 06:57 |
| auenfi5 | .desktop file ? | 06:57 |
| bef0rd | it should appear on the menu | 06:57 |
| bef0rd | if you are using the qt creator thing | 06:57 |
| bef0rd | there must be a new icon the menu | 06:58 |
| Jaya_the_Cat | I did put a PNG file there | 06:58 |
| Jaya_the_Cat | uploaded the new .deb, but nothing | 06:58 |
| Jaya_the_Cat | it runs with Qt Creator, but I can't run it without :( | 06:58 |
| bef0rd | "there" ? | 06:58 |
| bef0rd | there is an specific name for the icon | 06:58 |
| bef0rd | also tere must be a .desktop file as auenfi5 mentioned | 06:59 |
| Jaya_the_Cat | "there" was in the deploy menu, where I would chose a PNG icon, but I'll check out this .desktop file, because I didn't look at it | 06:59 |
| Jaya_the_Cat | thanks, I think I have direction now :) | 07:00 |
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| Jaya_the_Cat | yep, that's exactly what I'm missing, thanks auenf and bef0rd | 07:05 |
| auenfi5 | np | 07:06 |
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| franz` | is there anything different than usual on harmattan's iptables? | 07:48 |
| franz` | trying to add a log rule to OUTPUT, and it just says "No chain/target/match by that name." | 07:49 |
| franz` | it doesn't have the ipt_LOG kernel module oh | 07:50 |
| franz` | oh yes, tcpdump is on the nokia repos, yay | 07:58 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | franz`: yeah, there's a ton of stuff missing | 08:11 |
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| AndrewX192 | I managed to break contacts/messaging pretty bad today | 08:57 |
| AndrewX192 | Got them out of sync, messages created a few "unknown" contacts which it coulden't deal with | 08:57 |
| AndrewX192 | Had to kill the associated processes before it came back to normal | 08:57 |
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| ZogG_laptop | morning | 09:35 |
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| gabriel9|work | morning | 10:01 |
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| mtd | anyone tried running "ANALYZE;" on the Harmattan tracker sqlite database? | 10:16 |
| * mtd wonders if it will make any difference to performance | 10:17 | |
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| gabriel9|work | nop | 10:42 |
| gabriel9|work | i still strugle with windows and tabs | 10:42 |
| gabriel9|work | :/ | 10:42 |
| ab | Sazpaimon, before complaining at Nokia not understanding what cache is, make sure you are aware of http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html and that Tracker is a healthy upstream project that follows XDG spec. If you want Tracker to change its use of XDG, complain at GNOME bugzilla. | 10:48 |
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| pa | ab, got one of those for 399 :) | 11:19 |
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| ab | pa, this week Gigantti sells N9/16GB for 299 | 11:19 |
| pa | well 64 >> 16 :) | 11:19 |
| pa | and i have a 16 already | 11:19 |
| pa | paid around 350 | 11:19 |
| ab | I guess they all have a lot of Lumias to sell and need to get rid of the N9s as it is extremely hard to explain why and what to buy | 11:20 |
| pa | i mean , 64 would be good for dual boot | 11:21 |
| pa | so now i have to think what to do with the 16 | 11:25 |
| pa | either giving to someone (good idea, but i have the impression is a little fragile, with its little lit for the usb and stuff) | 11:25 |
| pa | or selling it | 11:25 |
| psycho_oreos | could probably experiment with openmode, incept, etc | 11:29 |
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| pa | well.. i would, if i was a millionaire :) | 11:29 |
| djszapi | hey, how can I send a text to a modem properly in minicom ? I see only file sending option, but that is a bit painful, if I would just like to send "hello world" quickly. | 11:30 |
| pawky | AT "hello world" ? | 11:51 |
| djszapi | it is not AT based. | 11:51 |
| pawky | "hello world" ? :-) | 11:51 |
| djszapi | does not work. | 11:52 |
| djszapi | I believe, that sends out the " as a character just like anything else. | 11:52 |
| djszapi | if I put "hello world" into a file and then ctrl-a S, then it works. | 11:52 |
| djszapi | but it is cumbersome to make a file for a word :) | 11:52 |
| deram | copypaste to thet window? | 11:52 |
| pawky | i meant to only write hello world.. | 11:53 |
| pawky | so.. you have already a connection to the modem? | 11:53 |
| djszapi | pawky: that is the main issue; minicom does not work like that. | 11:54 |
| djszapi | deram: copy/paste is not any different from typing. | 11:54 |
| deram | minicom sure does send all letters ypu type to the device in the other end of the cable | 11:54 |
| pawky | It was a while ago.. but after setting up the communication between the modem and minicom one just types whatever one wants | 11:54 |
| deram | if not, you are doing something wrong | 11:54 |
| pawky | deram:second that | 11:55 |
| djszapi | deram: not really, no. | 11:55 |
| pawky | need to set things up first with something like Ctrl-O-Z or something.. | 11:55 |
| djszapi | if you start typing the characters, it does not go out as you would expect. | 11:55 |
| pawky | it should | 11:55 |
| djszapi | no, it does not :) | 11:55 |
| pawky | maybe you don't see it with echo off.. | 11:55 |
| djszapi | have you ever tried ? | 11:55 |
| pawky | yes.. lots of times.. | 11:55 |
| djszapi | meh, it is not about echo. | 11:56 |
| deram | djszapi: I use minicom frequently, and it does just that | 11:56 |
| pawky | i agree.. | 11:56 |
| djszapi | deram: cannot really see that practice. | 11:56 |
| djszapi | if I type anything, I do not get any response. | 11:56 |
| djszapi | if I send the string in one bunch without the latency of typing, it is all fine | 11:56 |
| pawky | then your not connected rightly | 11:56 |
| deram | everything you type, it sends to the serial port, and everything the other device prints, is printed on minicom window | 11:56 |
| djszapi | ofc I do :) | 11:56 |
| djszapi | otherwise sending the string from the file would not work. | 11:57 |
| djszapi | deram: you did not get the point | 11:57 |
| djszapi | deram: typing has a latency. | 11:57 |
| djszapi | which ends up dropping the typed string with frame error. | 11:57 |
| deram | ok. so your modem does not like latency, is that what you are saying? | 11:57 |
| pawky | flow control issues? | 11:57 |
| djszapi | which is not quite what you would expect. | 11:57 |
| djszapi | deram: well, I do not know. It never worked to me with direct typing either for GSM modems 7-8 years ago. | 11:58 |
| djszapi | but it surely does not work in this case. | 11:58 |
| djszapi | Hence, I would expect something that the windows software has: sending a string explicitely in one bunch without always creating a file. | 11:58 |
| deram | minicom is old software, not in much use nowadays | 12:00 |
| djszapi | that is why I would expect it provides the basic needs... | 12:00 |
| djszapi | in a stable way. Hence, I am kinda very surprised I have the same issues like I had 7-8 years ago. | 12:01 |
| pawky | well.. writing characters should send them over the line.. | 12:01 |
| pawky | a terminal is a terminal | 12:01 |
| djszapi | pawky: not really, no. | 12:01 |
| djszapi | thing is that, the relevant windows software also has a send option where you can type the string out and then ok. Hence, the string sent out, worked, done. | 12:01 |
| deram | some serial terminal emulators do have "line buffered" mode. maybe this is what you'd need | 12:02 |
| deram | also, your modem might be wanting <cr><lf> type newlines... | 12:03 |
| djszapi | well, I was kinda thinking 7-8 years ago, they were going to add this feature, but they have not apparently done that... | 12:03 |
| djszapi | minicom is just ... well, used by many hackers, so it should ship such a thing IMO | 12:04 |
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| djszapi | yes, but that is not the point | 12:04 |
| deram | you know, you could do something like cat /dev/ttyS0 & echo hello world >/dev/ttyS0, if you don't like what the minicom provides | 12:05 |
| djszapi | "&" ? | 12:05 |
| djszapi | well, it can surely be hacked around. | 12:06 |
| deram | you need to leave that cat in background | 12:06 |
| djszapi | but I would kinda expect this simple feature what other softwares like the aforementioned Windows one handles. | 12:06 |
| deram | I have never seen a device, which needs that type of behavior. | 12:06 |
| djszapi | great, but it does not mean there are not many :) | 12:07 |
| deram | so you should probably use your device as a base for a bug/feature request | 12:07 |
| djszapi | I have just apparently found those devices only. | 12:07 |
| djszapi | well, I reported it 7-8 years ago back then :) | 12:07 |
| deram | or you have some sort of flow control issues, and send file command does not trigger those... | 12:08 |
| deram | or something else.. | 12:08 |
| djszapi | hat do you mean ? | 12:08 |
| djszapi | hw/sw flowcontrol is off, as it should be | 12:08 |
| djszapi | since it is not a half-duplex thingie after all. | 12:08 |
| deram | you know, flow control has nothing to do with duplexity | 12:09 |
| djszapi | well, afaik it has. | 12:09 |
| deram | it is handles producer consumer syncronization when device you are sending stuff has filled all the buffers | 12:09 |
| djszapi | but in any case, it is "OFF" as it is expected. | 12:09 |
| djszapi | and even if that was not the case, I tried it days ago with ON while the first tries... | 12:10 |
| djszapi | so not really a topic to be discussed :) | 12:10 |
| deram | most hacking cases should have it off | 12:10 |
| deram | so back to the original.. minicom is shitty software as it does not have feature X as windows terminal has it... | 12:11 |
| djszapi | this is certainly a lacking feature, yes. | 12:11 |
| pa | if i buy a branded phone (mine was branded telenor), and i flash with 001 for example. then it breaks. Do i have to reflash with the original country code firmware before sending it to nokia for repairing? | 12:12 |
| deram | certainly, but if no-one else needs it, then go file a request, or patch it yourself | 12:12 |
| djszapi | deram: like I said, I did 7-8 years ago | 12:12 |
| deram | then you should probably move to another program as you and the developers do not share the vision how this should be handled | 12:13 |
| djszapi | you make this situation utterly antagonist :) | 12:14 |
| djszapi | it is really not like that... | 12:14 |
| deram | no, you do.. | 12:14 |
| djszapi | huh ? | 12:14 |
| djszapi | by providing a feedback about a lacking feature ? | 12:14 |
| deram | to very wrong channel | 12:14 |
| deram | maybe it is lacking feature, but none of this channel is responsible for it not being implemented | 12:15 |
| djszapi | meh | 12:15 |
| deram | terminal software used to have linebuffering capabilities back when they were used frequently.. Can't tell why minicom would be lacking this feature. | 12:18 |
| deram | and minicom is not the only software for this purpose.. | 12:20 |
| deram | cutecom is line oriented (as opposed to minicom character oriented) | 12:21 |
| phako | what the hell is Packet::ErrorPacket: "requested pixmap 'icon-l-folder-empty' QSize(0, 0) already acquired by client" supposed to mean? | 12:23 |
| phako | it means "I don't have that icon" | 12:25 |
| phako | -.- | 12:25 |
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| pa | i read that mce::DeviceModeControl aegis credential does not work on PR1.2? possible? | 12:27 |
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| pa | shit, it is | 12:38 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 12:38 |
| SpeedEvil | What's that - flight/... mode? | 12:38 |
| pa | well, i wanted to use it for switching on/off the internet connections | 12:39 |
| pa | jeez | 12:39 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 12:41 |
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| mtd | anyone imported contacts from a tracker database? | 12:48 |
| * mtd has non-overlapping sets of contacts and messages in non-overlapping backups that I'd like to merge | 12:48 | |
| phako | complex solution: drop the database in a desktop instance of tracker, use qtcontacts-tracker's tools to dump a vcar file and import that. | 12:49 |
| pa | mtd, i guess you cant access those contacts in the backups via qtmobility, can you? | 12:49 |
| phako | *vcard | 12:49 |
| mtd | pa: hmm, is there a way to point qtmobility at a specific sqlitedb? | 12:50 |
| mtd | phako: ah, good one | 12:50 |
| pa | that i dont know.. maybe some guys with more knowledge of the platform can tell you | 12:50 |
| * mtd goes to find qtcontacts-tracker for fedora | 12:50 | |
| phako | upstream: http://gitorious.org/qtcontacts-tracker/qtcontacts-tracker | 12:51 |
| phako | I think it has a specfile for meego | 12:51 |
| mtd | phako: ah, thanks, promising though | 12:57 |
| phako | mtd: I just see that the tools included there only dump one contact | 12:58 |
| phako | let me paste my dumper | 12:58 |
| * mtd wonders about python on-device dump to vcard | 12:58 | |
| phako | http://fpaste.org/bpyR/ | 12:59 |
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| marcus | hi all. is there a way to modify the timestamp of a firmware image to bypass the downgrade disallowed message (or any other workaround for that)? | 13:50 |
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| jonni | marcus: for 3rd parties no. If you are nokia care or internal, then yes. | 14:15 |
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| marcus | even coldflashing does not work? | 14:20 |
| marcus | as with 1.2 i have craches in fenix very often (if the network connectivity is poor). afterwards it does no longer start, so i have to reboot | 14:21 |
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| jonni | you can always reflash the same version that you currently have, but if you try to switch variants then you hit the downgrade feature. | 14:23 |
| marcus | jonni, ok, as reflashing will not solve that problem. is there something like a bugtracker of these kind of things? | 14:23 |
| jonni | have you tried --erase-user-data=secure to have good full refhash? and which email accounts crashes for you imap, mfe or something else? | 14:25 |
| jonni | bugtracker is already closed, and only critical showstoppers are accepted anymore. | 14:26 |
| marcus | which means there is no real update planned anymore? | 14:28 |
| marcus | btw. i am using exchange and imap | 14:29 |
| marcus | both worked correctly in PR1.1 | 14:29 |
| marcus | btw. i have flashed both root and EMMC. do i still have to --erase-user-data=secure? | 14:32 |
| jonni | well if there is some conflicting data in cal which screws up mail, then you need to add that secure wipe, since flashing root and emmc doesnt clear cal. | 14:36 |
| jonni | or you can wait and hope that next possible pr release would fix your problems. But as mail works fine in most of the people in pr1.2, I would be that its broken for you if you restored any backups or havent secure wiped. | 14:37 |
| jonni | be=bet | 14:38 |
| marcus | ok, i will try that. besides that the music application often stucks while searching through a large music collection | 14:39 |
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| Khertan | It's me or noone care about QA in Apps4MeeGo ? | 14:44 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: Will be in-client hopefully this week. | 14:45 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: I hope that will improve it a lot. | 14:45 |
| Khertan | X-Fade, will be better ... thx to devel of the client :) | 14:45 |
| Khertan | a question for you, i hear from a troller (djas...) that cobs could be closed in few time | 14:47 |
| Khertan | that's true ? cobs is payed by who ? LF ? | 14:47 |
| X-Fade | cobs is payed by LF. | 14:47 |
| X-Fade | And yes, it can close, but we have been given no date yet. So no real hurry atm. | 14:48 |
| X-Fade | Plus we have maemo.org OBS functional as a backup. | 14:48 |
| Khertan | will be funny that maemo.org (still payed by Nokia ? ) will survive to MeeGo infrastructure :) | 14:49 |
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| marcus | are there any plans to build an open mobile phone hardware, if nokia is planning to drop harmattan support in the future? | 14:52 |
| javispedro | who was from here that owned a 5820TG? faenil? | 14:52 |
| javispedro | ~seen faenil | 14:52 |
| infobot | faenil <~faenil@131.114.170.230> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 20h 37m 22s ago, saying: 'can anyone help me in pm with a constructor and q_property issue?'. | 14:52 |
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| gabriel9|work | http://www.javacodegeeks.com/2011/07/funny-source-code-comments.html | 16:07 |
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| pa | anyway.. its strange that nokia at this point doesnt try to rebel against microsoft stop against competing platforms. M$ is fucked without nokia, so i guess nokia would have some contractual power to restart the maemo division. after all itùs not competing at all, and the only thing it can achieve is android market erosion. | 16:14 |
| marcus | for me the question is if it's possible to keep a vital community in post-nokia times | 16:19 |
| marcus | and perhaps develop new devices with another (open) vendor | 16:19 |
| pa | with harmattan you mean? | 16:19 |
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| marcus | jup | 16:19 |
| pa | its more likely to happen with nemo, i gues | 16:20 |
| marcus | you mean mer? | 16:20 |
| pa | yes, i doubt nokia will ever release the source of the pieces that are now closed | 16:20 |
| marcus | but is mer ready to be run on a mobile device with support for the important features (telephony, data, bluetooth ..)? | 16:21 |
| pa | probably not, i dont know.. there was a post on triple boot on N9 with nitdroid, harmattan and nemo, but it was only about installing it | 16:22 |
| dm8tbr | for a community driven OS, Mer/Nemo actually works pretty well on the N950 | 16:22 |
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| marcus | does it also support the phone functionality dm8tbr ? | 16:24 |
| dm8tbr | yes | 16:26 |
| dm8tbr | I've made phone calls with it | 16:26 |
| pa | is the project germany-driven? | 16:26 |
| dm8tbr | what makes you think so? | 16:27 |
| pa | i just wonder | 16:27 |
| marcus | is the ui that is used in harmattan closed source? | 16:28 |
| pa | yes | 16:28 |
| pa | pity tho.. i love it | 16:28 |
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| MohammadAG | Tmo right now: someone announces that iOS is jailbroken, others ask if this makes the N9 overclockable | 16:43 |
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| jreznik | marcus: mostly closed source but some bits are open source (but still not open as because of aegis...) | 17:09 |
| Sazpaimon | pa, i think the issue is nokia storing conversations in the meta.db cache file and nowhere else | 17:10 |
| Sazpaimon | i dont think it's tracker related | 17:10 |
| Sazpaimon | I could be wrong on that though | 17:10 |
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| pa | does lumia and N9 have the same battery? | 18:06 |
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| pa | seems not | 18:10 |
| pa | but someone here was saying that n9 never really powers off | 18:11 |
| pa | what happens if i power it off to replace the battery? | 18:11 |
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| ZogG_laptop | sup guys | 18:26 |
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| jonni | pa: lumia800 and N9 has same battery | 18:39 |
| pa | ah thanks.. hope these batteries will be easy to find once they will begin dying | 18:42 |
| deram | any idea how easy/hard it will be to change that battery? | 18:45 |
| pa | yes, there's a video showing how to disassemble the N9 | 18:46 |
| pa | not easy | 18:46 |
| pa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSJtUbnM46E | 18:47 |
| jonni | semi easy | 18:49 |
| deram | yes.. it's not worst case to get the battery out.. | 18:51 |
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| * Khertan hope n950 battery will not be too hard to replace | 19:00 | |
| Khertan | or that meltemi phone will be good | 19:01 |
| Khertan | after all ... meltemi is just an other wind name, in the pure Maemo tradition :) | 19:01 |
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| Khertan | I ve just discover that pkgmgr let user install package ... | 19:14 |
| Khertan | ouch ! | 19:14 |
| Khertan | this mean that a simple apps can install thing in the os ! | 19:14 |
| Khertan | wtf ???? | 19:14 |
| jonni | heh :) it can only install user/ packages | 19:14 |
| jonni | it cannot install !=user packages | 19:15 |
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| rlinfati | is Patrick Ernzer here ? | 19:17 |
| Khertan | jonni, yeah ... not so difficult to do user/packages | 19:19 |
| Khertan | jonni, i forge them in python on device | 19:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rlinfati: it doesn't appear so | 19:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | his nick is pcfe | 19:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | looks like he's on IRC right now, but not this channel | 19:19 |
| jonni | Khertan: well anyways any ovi store app can get root, so they can install non user packages as well. | 19:20 |
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| djszapi | how much time does it take for the Ovi store client to get my profile updated with the publisher logo ? | 19:20 |
| Khertan | jonni, root ? only via post/pre install script ? | 19:20 |
| djszapi | or shall I upload a photo somewhere else to appear in that client ? | 19:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it does mean however that any app can easily assert any developer credential without even exploiting anything | 19:21 |
| Khertan | djszapi, go back to android | 19:21 |
| Khertan | :) | 19:21 |
| jonni | Khertan: doesnt even need to be any script, you app can get root + user | 19:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 19:21 |
| Khertan | jonni, i was thinking that only during install of a deb package root was permitted for pre/post install/rm script | 19:22 |
| Khertan | jonni, you mean that any apps from ovi can request root acces ? | 19:22 |
| Khertan | jonni, without even letting user know the problem that can be ? | 19:22 |
| Aard | Khertan: you can ask aegis to give your application root permissions. I'm not sure if that'd pass ovi qa, though, but it's user installable (through downloading from browser, for example) | 19:23 |
| MohammadAG | does anyone know where I can get a specsheet pdf of a Nokia device? | 19:23 |
| MohammadAG | the lumia 800 to be specific | 19:23 |
| pa | did i understand wrong, or there is a way to install apps on N9 like on the android market, where you can select what you want to install on the market, and it gets "dropped" into the device? | 19:23 |
| jonni | Khertan: any app can apply root capa for their binary in ovi store. end user is never notified if the app is runned as user or if it also has capa for root. | 19:23 |
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| Khertan | jonni, yeah ... but at least ... i can verify easily capa for root if it s managed by aegis | 19:25 |
| jonni | well yes you can check from restok what capas the application have requested. | 19:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | MohammadAG: i don't think nokia officially releases real specs...maybe you can find a teardown somewhere | 19:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | iirc it has a snapdragon and 512 megs of ram inside | 19:26 |
| MohammadAG | itsnotabigtruck, need some sort of official document | 19:27 |
| MohammadAG | for customs | 19:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i think there's some limited spec info on the nokia dev site | 19:27 |
| Khertan | jonni, just hope there will be no security hole in flash ... or webbrowser | 19:27 |
| MohammadAG | I sent him a 46 page FCC catalog, apparently it's not good | 19:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh, hrm | 19:27 |
| Khertan | jonni, else we will have surprise | 19:27 |
| Khertan | with a package manager letting user install things | 19:27 |
| jonni | MohammadAG: howabout http://www.nokia.com/gb-en/products/phone/lumia800/specifications/ | 19:29 |
| MohammadAG | jonni, pdf :/ | 19:29 |
| MohammadAG | or some way to print all "elements" | 19:30 |
| jonni | MohammadAG: http://press.nokia.com/wp-content/uploads/mediaplugin/doc/nokia-lumia-800-data-sheet.pdf | 19:32 |
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| Khertan | hum ... what to do when community OBS didn't want to trigger rebuild ? | 19:36 |
| pa | is it normal i cant register to tmo? | 19:38 |
| pa | it says im a spammer | 19:38 |
| Khertan | of course you are a spammer ! | 19:39 |
| Khertan | too short nickname ? | 19:40 |
| pa | 8 letters | 19:40 |
| pa | and it shows up green | 19:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Khertan: check for errors | 19:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | usually it's that something is unresolvable | 19:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or the stuff didn't actually get updated | 19:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you can force a rebuild using a link at the bottom of the build log | 19:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | MohammadAG: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/Lumia_800/ | 19:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | MohammadAG: that's actually pretty comprehensive | 19:42 |
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| Khertan | itsnotabigtruck, yeah it s the problem rebuild didn't rebuild, and build log is empty :) | 19:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Khertan: got a link to the obs page | 19:47 |
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| rlinfati | tip, install all devtools : for i in $(pkgmgr list-available | grep devtool | cut -f1 -d\ ) ; do echo pkgmgr install -p $i ; done | 19:50 |
| Khertan | itsnotabigtruck, look like it was a problem in the webinterface ... as now there is a build log | 19:53 |
| Khertan | and it s succeed | 19:53 |
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| pa | excuse my silly question, but what password do i need to git clone projects on projects.developer.nokia.com? | 20:06 |
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| Khertan | It s funny to see that a security PasswdGenerator based on hashed is more downloaded from china than every other country together ! | 20:17 |
| Khertan | Mouarf ! | 20:17 |
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| MohammadAG | debugging without a debugger is fun | 20:33 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Khertan: why is that? | 20:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there seems to be an unusually large number of chinese N9 users so it's only natural there'd be a lot of chinese downloads | 20:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | are there any chinese language n9 forums/sites out there? | 20:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i know there's a russian one | 20:38 |
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| MohammadAG | is there a way for an app to know its own memory usage? | 20:43 |
| MohammadAG | I'm using caching a lot, so I'd like to know that after a certain amount of memory used up in RAM I'd like to do some cleaning up | 20:44 |
| MohammadAG | though I'm happy that with all the caching I'm doing the app normally uses up less than 15MBs of RAM, <3 MTF | 20:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | MohammadAG: probably by catting something in proc | 20:46 |
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| MohammadAG | itsnotabigtruck, not that way :/ | 21:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | MohammadAG: http://linux.die.net/man/2/getrusage | 21:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | failing that, read /proc/self/stat and parse it | 21:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | itsnotabigtruck: :nod: | 21:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nevertheless such a design is kinky. An app should *know* about own ram-usage, I mean how could it not? | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | each time the app allocates mem, there's some tally to sum up how much it already allocated | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | and honestly, an app doesn't even want to know how much mem got allocated. It should simply not be greedy on mem | 21:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | good point... | 21:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | MohammadAG: just keep track of the size of your own cache | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are for sure better indicators if some cache is outdated and probably useless, and thus should get freed, rather than monitoring the total of mem usage | 21:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | without asking the OS | 21:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | e.g. set a limit on the number of entries, or total size of entries, or whatever | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | ot timeout | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | or* | 21:26 |
| Sazpaimon | great | 21:26 |
| Sazpaimon | my phone is suddenly going through a reboot loop | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | way saner metrics regarding you deal with an interactive app | 21:26 |
| Sazpaimon | what do I do to debug this | 21:27 |
| Sazpaimon | turn on r&d mode? | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it's npot interactive, then you never want to go into such things like event triggered garbage collection (freeing cache is nothing else than a garbage collection) | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sazpaimon: might or might not help | 21:28 |
| Sazpaimon | I have the nitdroid alpha installed, i can always boot into that to see what's up | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | oooh, HARM :-/ no use in R&D afaik | 21:29 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: probably can't do much without wiping | 21:29 |
| Sazpaimon | actually doesn't seem like android is starting up either | 21:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: actually, if you have nitdroid, that means you have om, right | 21:30 |
| Sazpaimon | yes | 21:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you have om, try the rescue kernel | 21:30 |
| Sazpaimon | tried starting nitdroid, shuts down after a few seconds | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah | 21:30 |
| Sazpaimon | link to rescue kernel | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, it's again with multiboot, so what do you expect | 21:31 |
| Sazpaimon | its been working fine with nitroid installed | 21:31 |
| Sazpaimon | granted, i havent really used it | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~maemo-multiboot | 21:31 |
| infobot | somebody said maemo-multiboot was deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | not a bit rusty | 21:32 |
| Sazpaimon | afaik N9's "multiboot" isn't really the same thing as fremantle's | 21:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw does the nokia provided MOSLO engage open mode? i think it's for N950 only anyway | 21:32 |
| Sazpaimon | all the multiboot loader does is chroot into the android directory and run /init | 21:32 |
| Sazpaimon | that's beside the point, though | 21:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: so the nitdroid dualboot runs both harmattan and android on an android kernel? | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, you don't want to tell me nitridiot runs on "stock" linux kernel? o.O | 21:33 |
| Sazpaimon | the nitdroid kernel is the harmattan kernel with android patches | 21:33 |
| Sazpaimon | well, harmattan open mode kernel | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | without wakelocks and shit? impossible | 21:34 |
| Sazpaimon | https://gitorious.org/android-n900/kernel-ng/ | 21:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | right, that's what i mean by "an android kernel" | 21:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | with the android stuff | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | and you wonder why it bootloops? LOL | 21:35 |
| Sazpaimon | DocScrutinizer, yeah except its been working fine for the last few days | 21:35 |
| Sazpaimon | with absolutely no issues | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, multiboot always does, until you shut down device during a critical period where it messes with kernel by copying modules from there to there etc | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | even flashing kernel iirc | 21:37 |
| Sazpaimon | what are you talking about? | 21:37 |
| Sazpaimon | ive rebooted countless times since i last flashed the kernel | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm getting panic when flashing device via PC | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd not tuch multiboot with a 10 feet pole | 21:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: why would it need to copy modules around... | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | to match the kernel it's going to flash immv actionediately after that m | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ughh | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | to match the kernel it's going to flash immediately after that mv action | 21:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh right | 21:39 |
| Sazpaimon | but the kernel's already flashes | 21:39 |
| Sazpaimon | *flashed | 21:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, switching a symlink is a near-instant operation | 21:39 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | but you can't atomically flash and switch the modules, yeah | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, at least not on N900. For all I know multiboot is actually flashing the kernel for next boot on every boot | 21:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | why would it do that | 21:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if it uses one kernel for both | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm, using andridiot kernel for HARM? | 21:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, how about using kexec | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik it never worked | 21:41 |
| Sazpaimon | DocScrutinizer, well its been working fine here | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhuh, kexec?? | 21:41 |
| Sazpaimon | no, using android kernel on HARM | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | or andri-kernel for HARM? or what? | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 21:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: regarding kexec, what were the problems | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | I already said it: | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | and you wonder why it bootloops? LOL | 21:42 |
| Sazpaimon | you arent making any sense? | 21:42 |
| Sazpaimon | are you drinking? | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | itsnotabigtruck: dunno, sth with BL afaik | 21:42 |
| Sazpaimon | the kernel was working fine | 21:42 |
| Sazpaimon | for days | 21:42 |
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| Sazpaimon | it was working on both harmattan and android back and forth | 21:43 |
| Sazpaimon | now its bootlooping and its suddenly now the kernel's fault? | 21:43 |
| Sazpaimon | what? | 21:43 |
| Sazpaimon | im not sure if the zImage e-yes_ posted is the same as on his repository though | 21:44 |
| Sazpaimon | it should be, since the kernel boots both android and HARM | 21:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: doesn't kexec skip the bootloader entirely | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, and that's creating the problem | 21:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but that could be the problem, special logic might be needed to de-init the hardware | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 21:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, i guess the question is - what is nitdroid doing w/r/t switching modules or whatever, and - if nitdroid is doing stupid, then what's a better way to do it | 21:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | *doing something stupid, accidentally'd a word | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | the question is: why andridiot at all? | 21:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: because people like it and it has lots of apps, that's obvious | 21:46 |
| Sazpaimon | anyway, time to figure out the *true* cause of this bootloop | 21:47 |
| Sazpaimon | and its not rebooting immediately | 21:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you're interested in alternative OSes at all, android is the only practical alternative | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | then it's as well obvious that genuine andrivices are cheaper and better hw than those Nokia "linux" phones | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | and work way better with their genuine OS | 21:48 |
| Sazpaimon | it actually starts the OS, does the nokia tune, shows the loading animation, *then* reboots | 21:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: do the rescue kernel (just google 'n950 rescue kernel' or some such), then mount your phoine from linux | 21:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | check if there's something up with /lib/modules | 21:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: 'cept that we all already own N9s, and the N9 is much nicer looking aesthetically | 21:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also my new USB lid *finally* shipped today, lol | 21:49 |
| Sazpaimon | http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/n950liberator/vmlinuz-2.6.32.20112201-11.2-adaptation-n950-bootloader | 21:49 |
| Sazpaimon | thats what i come up with | 21:49 |
| e-yes_ | DocScrutinizer, btw, multiboot doesn't copy modules | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe it 'only' flashes kernel | 21:49 |
| Sazpaimon | e-yes_, fyi, I'm tweaking sillyboot to have a menu-type system | 21:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: http://wiki.meego.com/N950/Fixing_MALF_state | 21:50 |
| Sazpaimon | so it can boot both android and nemo | 21:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, that's the one, you need the initrd too | 21:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you boot that from flasher (don't flash it!) | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not at all interested in details of multiboot | 21:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | warning: if you aren't in open mode already you will be after booting this kernel | 21:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in fact it would be a good idea to put that in the wiki page | 21:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | bbl | 21:51 |
| e-yes_ | Sazpaimon, cool. i hope you already seen multiboot srcs? | 21:51 |
| Sazpaimon | e-yes_, by that you mean kernel-ng? | 21:52 |
| e-yes_ | no | 21:52 |
| e-yes_ | https://gitorious.org/android-n900/multiboot/ | 21:53 |
| Sazpaimon | isn't this n900 specific? | 21:53 |
| Sazpaimon | what im trying to do is get sillyboot to load nemo the same way it loads android via chroot and init scripts from there | 21:54 |
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| Sazpaimon | is this recuse kernel supposed to make the device a mass storage device? | 22:21 |
| Sazpaimon | because it isn't | 22:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: yep | 22:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | is it not working? :( | 22:21 |
| jpwhiting | hey all, has anyone here packaged multiple projects into one harmattan deb package before? | 22:21 |
| Sazpaimon | well, im trying to get windows to redirect it to virtualbox | 22:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: did you load the initrd with it? | 22:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ahhhh | 22:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's what i tried too | 22:22 |
| jpwhiting | or know documentation about how to do so | 22:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it didn't work | 22:22 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | it reboots when it sees the usb disconnect | 22:22 |
| Sazpaimon | and windows is reporting the device as "malfunctioned" | 22:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which is what happens when you hook a device up to virtualbox | 22:22 |
| jpwhiting | say build and package a library project and an application project into one .deb so it can be installed from ovi at once? | 22:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you need to do it from a true linux | 22:22 |
| Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, its not even at the point where it becomes a mass storage device in windows | 22:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jpwhiting: it's definitely possible to do that with a regular debian build | 22:23 |
| Sazpaimon | its just reported to windows as malfunctioned | 22:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no idea about qt creator | 22:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which is weird | 22:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: yeah, windows doesn't seem to like it either | 22:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | try burning an ubuntu live cd | 22:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | install the flasher deb once you boot up | 22:23 |
| Sazpaimon | i have them all at home :/ | 22:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then perform the load and see if it works | 22:23 |
| * Sazpaimon at work right now | 22:23 | |
| jpwhiting | itsnotabigtruck: well, qt creator just installs into a subdir of the build dir, so maybe if I build them all into the same build dir or something they can be packaged together? | 22:23 |
| jpwhiting | something like build/projectname/debian is what it uses now, but build/global/debian could be used instead maybe | 22:24 |
| jpwhiting | I was hoping qt creator made this simple, but maybe it doesn't | 22:24 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | jpwhiting: yeah, install it into build/projectname/opt/projectname/lib | 22:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or something like that | 22:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the stuff needs to be installed into the staging tree at the right place | 22:26 |
| jpwhiting | yeah | 22:26 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | if you were using a simple makefile and dpkg-buildpackage you'd just add another line to your install target | 22:27 |
| jpwhiting | well, qt creator is calling dpkg-buildpackage | 22:27 |
| jpwhiting | what would the one line be? | 22:27 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | jpwhiting: install blahblahblah blahblahblah :p | 22:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but you can't control the makefile directly, you have to use qmake, since you're using qt creator | 22:34 |
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| jpwhiting | itsnotabigtruck: yep, maybe I can make a master project that includes the others and builds them and packages them for harmattan | 22:35 |
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| M4rtinK | anyone interested in doing some Apps for Meego QA ? :) | 23:59 |
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