IRC log of #harmattan for Monday, 2012-03-26

Sazpaimonthere's no "tracker-process" command on harmattan?00:03
Sazpaimonis there an equivalent now?00:03
MohammadAGthere is, but don't -r!00:03
Sazpaimonwy not00:03
MohammadAGresetting the database deletes contacts00:03
Sazpaimonall my concats are on my sim00:04
MohammadAGcontacts are stored in the tracker database now00:04
MohammadAGwell, your decision00:04
Sazpaimonim just trying to restore my messages00:04
SazpaimonI emptied /home/user/.cache/tracker/ and all my messages went away00:04
Sazpaimonwould a hard reset of tracker fix that?00:05
MohammadAGfix what, you deleted your messages and want to get them back with a reset?00:05
Sazpaimonhonestly, I'm not sure00:05
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Sazpaimoni dont know why the cache hasnt been rebuilt on its own00:05
MohammadAGuh weird00:06
MohammadAGtracker-processes is indeed not there00:06
Sazpaimonyeah, its gone00:06
MohammadAGI could've sworn it was there on PR1.000:06
Sazpaimoni'd take it from my N900, but i dont think that'd be a good idea00:06
Sazpaimontracker probably changed too much00:06
MohammadAGit won't work00:06
MohammadAGthe subsystem was totally changed afaik00:06
Sazpaimonso what do I need to do to rebuild my messages00:07
MohammadAGI wonder what tracker-report-corruption is00:07
Sazpaimon/usr/bin/tracker-report-corruption: line 15: /usr/sbin/rich-core-dumper: not found00:07
MohammadAGit's a script00:07
MohammadAGcat it00:07
Sazpaimonwhat is "rich-core-dumper"00:08
MohammadAGno idea00:08
MohammadAGbut it doesn't seem to help00:08
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Sazpaimoni mean, I have a nokia link backup from november00:09
Sazpaimonbut i wanted to see if the data is still there00:09
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Sazpaimonwhere is the actual store00:09
Sazpaimonlike, the actual message data00:09
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MohammadAGSazpaimon, found something00:10
Sazpaimonthis was so much easier on harmattan00:10
MohammadAGnot sure what it does, I advise everyone not to try it tracker-control --soft-reset00:10
Sazpaimonall i needed was el-v1.db00:11
Sazpaimonand i was fine00:11
MohammadAGYou can not use the --hard-reset and --soft-reset arguments together00:11
Sazpaimonunfortunately i got messages come in after the messages got blanked00:12
Sazpaimonso hopefully that wont screw it up00:12
Sazpaimon output of --soft-reset00:12
Sazpaimonstill nothing but my sim contacts00:13
MohammadAGFYI there's a script00:13
Sazpaimonmy skype and gtalk contacts arent getting imported00:13
Sazpaimonshould I try --hard-reset now?00:13
Sazpaimoni'd like to know where the message database actually *is* first00:13
MohammadAG--hard-reset deletes user data afaik00:14
Sazpaimonyeah lets not do that yet00:14
Sazpaimonlet me double check the source of n900-comhist-import00:15
Sazpaimonthat might have the harmattan database00:15
Sazpaimonoh, it doesnt look like a database00:16
MohammadAGSazpaimon, cat /etc/osso-rfs-scripts/messaging-rfs.sh00:17
MohammadAGdon't run it00:17
MohammadAGthere's tracker-control -c lemme see what that does00:18
MohammadAG-c removes all config files00:20
MohammadAGI think you'll have to restart00:21
MohammadAGhere are the params
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MohammadAGI better go sleep, been awake for over a day00:23
MohammadAGgotta love uni00:23
SazpaimonI've restarted a few times already00:25
Sazpaimonyeah this still isnt working00:31
Sazpaimonand whenever I go to contacts, I get "cant import contacts"00:35
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VenemoMohammadAG, good night :)00:44
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itsnotabigtruckhmm, my wifi hotspot is working way better this time00:45
itsnotabigtruckthe problem is that joikuspot only lets you go on 2.4ghz channels 1, 6, and 1100:46
itsnotabigtruckand same with pretty much all the other mobile hotspot things out there00:46
itsnotabigtruckso if you're in a place where you need it (like an airport), there's often a bunch of other people with their own APs deployed on the same channel you're on00:47
SazpaimonI just made a nokia link backup from this00:48
Sazpaimonits 25MB00:48
Sazpaimonmy opld backups were like 10MB00:49
Sazpaimoni dont know what nokia link backs up00:49
Sazpaimonis there a tool that opens up the lbu files?00:49
Sazpaimonoh good00:50
Sazpaimon7zip opens it00:50
Tronicitsnotabigtruck: It would appear that the adjacent channels actually overlap, so don't expect ch 10 to work fine when 11 is already taken.00:50
itsnotabigtruckTronic: but e.g. ch 8 might work better00:51
TronicEven so, I guess that ch 9 could still work decent if either 6 or 11 is taken, as long as both of them aren't.00:51
itsnotabigtruck5gig would be even better, hardly anybody uses 5gig00:51
itsnotabigtruck= boom, no interference00:51
TronicAlso most devices won't be able to connect with your 5 GHz network.00:52
itsnotabigtruckit's pretty normal on laptops00:52
itsnotabigtruckand laptops are what you're normally connecting with00:52
Sazpaimonapparently this lbu file wont open correctly in 7zip00:54
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Sazpaimonit shows a few files00:55
itsnotabigtruck "lady owned"? wtf :p01:00
ajalkaneGeek version of selling women's underpants?01:03
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Sazpaimoni thought selling women01:06
Sazpaimons \401:06
Sazpaimonfucking cat01:06
Sazpaimoni thought selling women's underpants *is* a geek thing01:07
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ajalkaneIt's not a normal man thing? I'm becoming a geek!01:07
ajalkaneI think I should get the sunday geek award, because I'd rather buy a lady N900 rather than lady underpants. Massive geek points, I think.01:09
ajalkaneForgot to add the "used" part there. That's essential in figuring out the geek points.01:10
ajalkaneWith these nuggets of wisdom, I depart to sleep01:16
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Sazpaimonso how can i figure out why I keep getting "can't import contact01:22
Sazpaimons" when loading my contacts app01:22
* ieatlint will sell a nokia n900 wrapped in women's underwear01:26
ieatlintyes, getting a new n900 is hard these days01:27
sahib_how I'd love to have my n900 back from the dead :-(01:27
Sazpaimonieatlint, i meant the underwear01:28
* Sazpaimon rimshot01:28
ieatlintdepends on whether you have a qualifier on what it was used for or by whom01:28
Sazpaimonas long as it comes with pictures, i dont care01:29
ieatlintthat'll be a statement you'll regret01:30
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Sazpaimonreally guys, before i restore this backup01:44
Sazpaimoni'd like to know if there's a way to recover my messages01:44
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auenfi5arent the messages stored in a db file?01:55
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Sazpaimonauenf, on the N900, yeah02:15
Sazpaimoni dont know anything about how they are on the N902:15
Sazpaimonor, if they are, where they're stored02:15
auenfi5web2sms code would help?02:16
auenfi5it grabs messages from the db iirc02:17
auenfi5iirc, you deleted tracker?02:17
Sazpaimoni deleted the tracker cache02:17
auenfi5ok, so if its just tracker stuffing up, a 3rd party app that grabs the messages from the db should theoretically work?02:18
auenfi5or would they use tracker also?02:18
Sazpaimoni tried that too02:18
Sazpaimonit didnt work02:18
auenfi5what did you try?02:18
Sazpaimonalso, whenever i go into my contacts, a "Can't import contacts" message pops up02:19
Sazpaimonand my skype and gtalk contacts dont show02:19
auenfi5err, is that for meego or harmattan?02:19
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auenfi5hmm, home/user/.cache/tracker is blocked by aegis02:27
SazpaimonI'm in open mode02:27
auenfi5i'm not :P02:27
Sazpaimonyeah i dont know if it is02:27
auenfi5hmm, 'metadata' user02:28
auenfi5ok, found where mms are stored :P02:30
Sazpaimonyeah i dont do mms02:30
auenfi5i have 2 mms that fail to download02:30
auenfi5they are contact cards from iphone02:30
Sazpaimonare you on t-mobile usa?02:31
Sazpaimoniirc there's a fix for that i think02:31
auenfi5does the fix require PR1.2?02:31
Sazpaimonit's relavent to tmobile usa users only i think02:31
* auenfi5 gets the full error...02:32
auenfi5downloading failed02:32
Sazpaimonthe fix is on n9 quick tweak02:32
Sazpaimonbut i dont know *what* the fix it02:32
auenfi5i must need to update qtweak then...02:33
Sazpaimonthats where log files are stored i think02:34
Sazpaimonbut i dont see anything else there02:34
auenfi5theres a data folder02:35
Sazpaimonall that's in there is an empty .meta.isrunning file02:35
auenfi5it needs metadata user also02:36
Sazpaimoni'm using root, full root02:36
auenfi5can you look at those locations in your backup?02:37
Sazpaimoni dont know how to open a nokia link backup file02:37
Sazpaimonit opens in 7-zip, but its missing a lot of files02:38
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auenfi5the backup *should* have the message store in there somewhere right?02:38
Sazpaimoni should hope so02:39
auenfi5my backup folder isnt helping either02:46
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auenfi5so sms' are considered 'cache' ?02:51
Sazpaimonso you put the only copy of smses in a cache folderC?02:58
auenfi5thats what it looks like to me02:59
Sazpaimonkinda defeats the purpose of the name "cache"02:59
Sazpaimonguess I'll restore this november backup03:00
Sazpaimonand nokia link doesnt let me specify  *what* to restore03:00
Sazpaimoninb4 it just overwrites EVERYTHING03:00
auenfi5nokia link backup?03:00
Sazpaimonnokia link03:00
auenfi5i looked at the backup folder on the phone03:00
auenfi5and the looks a little light03:01
Sazpaimoni use nokia link to back up03:01
Sazpaimonwhere is
Sazpaimonguess i'm using nokia link03:02
auenfi5its where the backup went when OTA update03:02
Sazpaimonwell i OTA updated to PR1.203:02
Sazpaimonand its empty03:02
auenfi5did you make backup before?03:02
auenfi5or you backed up in nokia link instead?03:02
Sazpaimonnot on-device03:02
itsnotabigtruckhas anyone had windows 7 stall at the hibernate resume screen before?03:03
auenfi5let me double check location...03:03
SazpaimonRM696-07-1_PR_001:/home/user# file . |grep messages.zip03:03
itsnotabigtruckthe windows logo continues to animate but ther'es no disk activity and it doesn't finish after a couple mins03:03
SazpaimonRM696-07-1_PR_001:/home/user# find . |grep messages.zip03:03
Sazpaimonfind: ./.slpgwd/layer: Permission denied03:03
SazpaimonRM696-07-1_PR_001:/home/user# find . |grep messaging.zip03:03
Sazpaimonfind: ./.slpgwd/layer: Permission denied03:03
Sazpaimonnada03:03 2012-Jan-11 09:40:56 94.8K application/zip03:04
Sazpaimonyeah i dont have it03:04
auenfi5but of that 94K, guess how much of it is mms03:04
Sazpaimonhopefully restoring this backup doesnt remove *new* data03:05
auenfi593.8K is mms03:05
auenfi5and i dont think this on-device backup did actually backup sms'03:05
auenfi5only .mms and .commhistoryd under home/user03:06
Sazpaimonconsidering how important it is to store them03:06
auenfi5hmm, qmailstore.db only has emails?03:07
Sazpaimonyeah this backup overwrote everything03:10
Sazpaimonoh well03:10
auenfi5would have expected that03:10
auenfi5but it did restore messages?03:11
Sazpaimon"No messages"03:11
auenfi5hmm, it didnt backup/restore that03:11
Sazpaimonits like its partially restored03:11
auenfi5or tracker needs to index?03:11
Sazpaimonnokia link says its still restoring03:11
Sazpaimonwell its done03:13
Sazpaimonbut still nothing03:13
auenfi5meta.db exists now?03:13
Sazpaimonnmo:SMSMessage table is empty03:18
auenfi5so nothing backs up sms' correctly?03:18
Sazpaimonmaybe pc suite03:19
Sazpaimonlike, old pc suite03:19
Sazpaimonwell, i still have my N900 messages03:22
Sazpaimoni'll restore them03:22
* Sazpaimon restores the latest nokia link backupp03:22
Sazpaimonall i really wanted was that one text message i got last week from an old co-worker03:23
Sazpaimoni lost his number and he sent me a text last week03:23
Sazpaimonmeant to get back to him03:23
auenfi5hmm, nokia link and on-device backup dont backup sms'03:23
auenfi5and latest nokia suite doesnt work with n903:23
auenfi5so sms' are expendable?03:24
Sazpaimonyou need the old pc suite03:24
Sazpaimonlike, pre-nokia suite03:24
auenfi5yea, 3.303:24
auenfi5or pre-3.303:24
Sazpaimoni dont know how it works with it03:24
auenfi5i setup someone i know with the old ver so they can sync with outlook03:24
Sazpaimonit must be because pc suite works with fremantle03:24
auenfi5and made sure i unticked the auto updates03:24
auenfi5but he still managed to update it and get nokia link installed :P03:25
Sazpaimoni have both installed just fine03:25
auenfi5both installed is fine03:25
auenfi5but if you have old suite and it updates to new ver that doesnt support n903:26
auenfi5it tells you to download nokia link03:26
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Sazpaimonmy N900 backup has all my messages from my E71 too03:27
Sazpaimoni hope03:28
auenfi5i didnt get around to getting my messages off my 7710 onto my n8203:28
auenfi5nor from n82 to n90003:28
auenfi5or n900 to n903:28
teleshoesn900 to n9 was easy03:28
teleshoesthx to whats-his-face03:28
auenfi5and i think my messages are still on my 7650 also03:28
auenfi5i was waiting for PR1.1 before using that03:29
auenfi5but PR1.1 came early jan03:29
Sazpaimoni restore this new backup03:30
Sazpaimon"can't import contacts"03:30
SazpaimonOR LOG FILE03:31
auenfi5use the cloud :P03:31
SazpaimonOR ANYTHING03:31
teleshoestry manually replacing meta.db03:31
teleshoesfrom the backup file03:31
teleshoesthen do vcardexporter03:31
Sazpaimonim importing them from my skype account03:31
teleshoesthen put back your old meta.db03:31
Sazpaimoni even removed meta.db03:35
Sazpaimonand .contacts in /home/user03:35
Sazpaimonsame deal03:35
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Sazpaimoni even did a tracker-config --hard-reset03:50
Sazpaimonsame deal03:50
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* mtd has 650k rdfs:Resource_dc:date rows in his n950 tracker db, and isn't even popular05:34
itsnotabigtruck3.2 works fine05:35
itsnotabigtruckbut you *might* have to start with 3.0 and add the n9 before upgrading05:35
itsnotabigtruck3.3 def won't work05:35
itsnotabigtruck3.1 or 3.2 or something was when it renamed to nokia suite05:35
mtdSazpaimon: you can get the tracker db from the backup05:35
mtdSazpaimon: and then use sqlite command line interface to look at the data05:36
mtdSazpaimon: it might be obvious where the messages table is05:36
mtdSazpaimon: if you had syslog running the message will be in /var/log/syslog*05:36
mtdSazpaimon: well.05:36
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Sazpaimonmtd, yes but how do you open a nokia link backup05:49
Sazpaimon[22:36] <mtd> Sazpaimon: if you had syslog running the message will be in /var/log/syslog*05:51
Sazpaimonnothing in my syslog about contacts being imported05:51
Sazpaimonor rather, failing to be imported05:52
mtdSazpaimon: by "the message" I mean "all i really wanted was that one text message" that you were talking about05:53
mtdSazpaimon: backups are in MyDocs/.backups05:53
Sazpaimonno, thats long gone05:53
Sazpaimonand my .backups folder is empty05:54
mtdSazpaimon: there is a that has the tracker database in it05:54
Sazpaimonnope, it's empty05:54
Sazpaimonin fact, its not even there05:54
Sazpaimonls: /home/user/MyDocs/.backups: No such file or directory05:54
mtdSazpaimon: ok, well when I said "get the tracker db from the backup", I meant the backup you were trying to restore05:54
mtd"Sazpaimon> i restore this new backup"05:55
Sazpaimonmy backup is from nokia link05:55
Sazpaimonwhich *appears* to have a tracker db backup from looking at the the strings of the file05:55
Sazpaimonbut when i restored it, there was nothing05:55
mtdSazpaimon: no idea what "nokia link" is, but have you tried finding...ok, well, there you go05:55
mtdgrab sqlite305:55
mtdand start looking at the list of tables05:56
Sazpaimoni cant extract the nokia link backup file05:56
Sazpaimonits some weird format05:56
Sazpaimoni can partially open it in 7-zip, but it doesnt contain any of the files i see in the strings of the file05:56
mtdSazpaimon: it might be a zip of zips05:57
mtdSazpaimon: if you're on a POSIX machine, what does the "file" command tell you about that backup file(s)?05:57
Sazpaimonlet me open up my interix shell05:58
Sazpaimon(interix = posix from microsoft)05:59
mtdSazpaimon: better you than me :)05:59
Sazpaimon357923040512255_20111109221127.lbu: data05:59
Sazpaimonso nothing that sticks out i guess06:00
mtdSazpaimon: my n950's backup utility creates directories of zip files which are the subdirs from the device's /home/user/.cache directory06:00
mtdSazpaimon: sucks06:00
mtdSazpaimon: what does 7-zip think it is?06:00
Sazpaimon7zip and winrar both see it as a zip  file06:02
Sazpaimonbut all the zip file contains is my sources.list.d folder and an "osaBackup" file06:02
Sazpaimonwhich looks to be base64 encoded files of installed ovi store packages06:02
mtdSazpaimon: hmm, sorry, no ideas06:06
auenfi5Sazpaimon, what is the first few chars in the file?06:06
auenfi5zip's start with PK06:06
itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon: did these SMSes contain your secret intel or something - given the importance of your typical SMS it doesn't seem like a huge loss06:06
itsnotabigtruckalso the file utility might be useful06:06
Sazpaimonthey didn't06:07
SazpaimonI just kinda would like to have them06:07
Sazpaimoni mean06:07
bef0rdyou should have used smsbackup06:07
mtditsnotabigtruck: it's a pain though06:07
bef0rdits on the forums06:07
Sazpaimoni have all my smses from 2009 to november 2011 from my N900 backup06:07
Sazpaimonwhich, by the way06:08
mtdbef0rd: the backups should not be in some crazy opaque format either06:08
Sazpaimonis so much easier to maintain than the N906:08
Sazpaimonand much less volitile06:08
Sazpaimonbut i digress06:08
Sazpaimoni can restore this N900 backup, sure06:08
Sazpaimonim positive i lost that one text from my old co worker06:08
Sazpaimonoh well06:09
Sazpaimonwhat's still a mystery is why my gtalk and skype contacts refuse to import'06:09
mtdSazpaimon: if you are playing with strings and can guess some of the text of the SMS, well...06:09
Sazpaimonmtd, not if theyre compressed06:09
Sazpaimonfind is "/home/user/MyDocs/.tmp/trackerbackup"06:10
mtdSazpaimon: indeed.  If you saw some sqlite strings, it doesn't sound like they're compressed.06:10
Sazpaimonwhich,  by the way, is not on my device06:11
Sazpaimoneither way, that doesnt matter06:11
SazpaimonI didn't just file names06:11
mtdSazpaimon: that's the file that's in my backup's file, and that file is the tracker db with your texts in it06:11
Sazpaimonit doesnt matter, the smses on my N900 are about the same anyway06:11
mtdSazpaimon: ah, so you found that string?  That's probably a zip file header, then.06:11
Sazpaimonmy main concern is why I can't import contacts06:12
itsnotabigtruckclearly this backup/restore business isn't really fully baked :(06:12
Sazpaimonif I go to my accounts, and disable then enable skype or google, and then go to contacts, I just get "can't import contacts" or something06:12
bef0rdSazpaimon, what restore software did you use to create the backup?06:13
Sazpaimonnokia link06:13
Sazpaimonbut that's irrelavent, this happened before any backup/restore process06:13
Sazpaimonand I have no idea why06:23
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Jaya_the_Cathi, after I deployed my app in harmattan with Qt Creator, how to I run without Qt Creator?06:57
Jaya_the_CatI mean, get it to the applications menu like all other apps06:57
auenfi5.desktop file ?06:57
bef0rdit should appear on the menu06:57
bef0rdif you are using the qt creator thing06:57
bef0rdthere must be a new icon the menu06:58
Jaya_the_CatI did put a PNG file there06:58
Jaya_the_Catuploaded the new .deb, but nothing06:58
Jaya_the_Catit runs with Qt Creator, but I can't run it without :(06:58
bef0rd"there" ?06:58
bef0rdthere is an specific name for the icon06:58
bef0rdalso tere must be a .desktop file as auenfi5 mentioned06:59
Jaya_the_Cat"there" was in the deploy menu, where I would chose a PNG icon, but I'll check out this .desktop file, because I didn't look at it06:59
Jaya_the_Catthanks, I think I have direction now :)07:00
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Jaya_the_Catyep, that's exactly what I'm missing, thanks auenf and bef0rd07:05
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franz`is there anything different than usual on harmattan's iptables?07:48
franz`trying to add a log rule to OUTPUT, and it just says "No chain/target/match by that name."07:49
franz`it doesn't have the ipt_LOG kernel module oh07:50
franz`oh yes, tcpdump is on the nokia repos, yay07:58
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itsnotabigtruckfranz`: yeah, there's a ton of stuff missing08:11
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AndrewX192I managed to break contacts/messaging pretty bad today08:57
AndrewX192Got them out of sync, messages created a few "unknown" contacts which it coulden't deal with08:57
AndrewX192Had to kill the associated processes before it came back to normal08:57
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mtdanyone tried running "ANALYZE;" on the Harmattan tracker sqlite database?10:16
* mtd wonders if it will make any difference to performance10:17
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gabriel9|worki still strugle with windows and tabs10:42
abSazpaimon, before complaining at Nokia not understanding what cache is, make sure you are aware of and that Tracker is a healthy upstream project that follows XDG spec. If you want Tracker to change its use of XDG, complain at GNOME bugzilla.10:48
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paab, got one of those for 399 :)11:19
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abpa, this week Gigantti sells N9/16GB for 29911:19
pawell 64 >> 16 :)11:19
paand i have a 16 already11:19
papaid around 35011:19
abI guess they all have a lot of Lumias to sell and need to get rid of the N9s as it is extremely hard to explain why and what to buy11:20
pai mean , 64 would be good for dual boot11:21
paso now i have to think what to do with the 1611:25
paeither giving to someone (good idea, but i have the impression is a little fragile, with its little lit for the usb and stuff)11:25
paor selling it11:25
psycho_oreoscould probably experiment with openmode, incept, etc11:29
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pawell.. i would, if i was a millionaire :)11:29
djszapihey, how can I send a text to a modem properly in minicom ? I see only file sending option, but that is a bit painful, if I would just like to send "hello world" quickly.11:30
pawkyAT "hello world" ?11:51
djszapiit is not AT based.11:51
pawky"hello world" ? :-)11:51
djszapidoes not work.11:52
djszapiI believe, that sends out the " as a character just like anything else.11:52
djszapiif I put "hello world" into a file and then ctrl-a S, then it works.11:52
djszapibut it is cumbersome to make a file for a word :)11:52
deramcopypaste to thet window?11:52
pawkyi meant to only write hello world..11:53
pawkyso.. you have already a connection to the modem?11:53
djszapipawky: that is the main issue; minicom does not work like that.11:54
djszapideram: copy/paste is not any different from typing.11:54
deramminicom sure does send all letters ypu type to the device in the other end of the cable11:54
pawkyIt was a while ago.. but after setting up the communication between the modem and minicom one just types whatever one wants11:54
deramif not, you are doing something wrong11:54
pawkyderam:second that11:55
djszapideram: not really, no.11:55
pawkyneed to set things up first with something like Ctrl-O-Z or something..11:55
djszapiif you start typing the characters, it does not go out as you would expect.11:55
pawkyit should11:55
djszapino, it does not :)11:55
pawkymaybe you don't see it with echo off..11:55
djszapihave you ever tried ?11:55
pawkyyes.. lots of times..11:55
djszapimeh, it is not about echo.11:56
deramdjszapi: I use minicom frequently, and it does just that11:56
pawkyi agree..11:56
djszapideram: cannot really see that practice.11:56
djszapiif I type anything, I do not get any response.11:56
djszapiif I send the string in one bunch without the latency of typing, it is all fine11:56
pawkythen your not connected rightly11:56
derameverything you type, it sends to the serial port, and everything the other device prints, is printed on minicom window11:56
djszapiofc I do :)11:56
djszapiotherwise sending the string from the file would not work.11:57
djszapideram: you did not get the point11:57
djszapideram: typing has a latency.11:57
djszapiwhich ends up dropping the typed string with frame error.11:57
deramok. so your modem does not like latency, is that what you are saying?11:57
pawkyflow control issues?11:57
djszapiwhich is not quite what you would expect.11:57
djszapideram: well, I do not know. It never worked to me with direct typing either for GSM modems 7-8 years ago.11:58
djszapibut it surely does not work in this case.11:58
djszapiHence, I would expect something that the windows software has: sending a string explicitely in one bunch without always creating a file.11:58
deramminicom is old software, not in much use nowadays12:00
djszapithat is why I would expect it provides the basic needs...12:00
djszapiin a stable way. Hence, I am kinda very surprised I have the same issues like I had 7-8 years ago.12:01
pawkywell.. writing characters should send them over the line..12:01
pawkya terminal is a terminal12:01
djszapipawky: not really, no.12:01
djszapithing is that, the relevant windows software also has a send option where you can type the string out and then ok. Hence, the string sent out, worked, done.12:01
deramsome serial terminal emulators do have "line buffered" mode. maybe this is what you'd need12:02
deramalso, your modem might be wanting <cr><lf> type newlines...12:03
djszapiwell, I was kinda thinking 7-8 years ago, they were going to add this feature, but they have not apparently done that...12:03
djszapiminicom is just ... well, used by many hackers, so it should ship such a thing IMO12:04
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djszapiyes, but that is not the point12:04
deramyou know, you could do something like cat /dev/ttyS0 & echo hello world >/dev/ttyS0, if you don't like what the minicom provides12:05
djszapi"&" ?12:05
djszapiwell, it can surely be hacked around.12:06
deramyou need to leave that cat in background12:06
djszapibut I would kinda expect this simple feature what other softwares like the aforementioned Windows one handles.12:06
deramI have never seen a device, which needs that type of behavior.12:06
djszapigreat, but it does not mean there are not many :)12:07
deramso you should probably use your device as a base for a bug/feature request12:07
djszapiI have just apparently found those devices only.12:07
djszapiwell, I reported it 7-8 years ago back then :)12:07
deramor you have some sort of flow control issues, and send file command does not trigger those...12:08
deramor something else..12:08
djszapihat do you mean ?12:08
djszapihw/sw flowcontrol is off, as it should be12:08
djszapisince it is not a half-duplex thingie after all.12:08
deramyou know, flow control has nothing to do with duplexity12:09
djszapiwell, afaik it has.12:09
deramit is handles producer consumer syncronization when device you are sending stuff has filled all the buffers12:09
djszapibut in any case, it is "OFF" as it is expected.12:09
djszapiand even if that was not the case, I tried it days ago with ON while the first tries...12:10
djszapiso not really a topic to be discussed :)12:10
derammost hacking cases should have it off12:10
deramso back to the original.. minicom is shitty software as it does not have feature X as windows terminal has it...12:11
djszapithis is certainly a lacking feature, yes.12:11
paif i buy a branded phone (mine was branded telenor), and i flash with 001 for example. then it breaks. Do i have to reflash with the original country code firmware before sending it to nokia for repairing?12:12
deramcertainly, but if no-one else needs it, then go file a request, or patch it yourself12:12
djszapideram: like I said, I did 7-8 years ago12:12
deramthen you should probably move to another program as you and the developers do not share the vision how this should be handled12:13
djszapiyou make this situation utterly antagonist :)12:14
djszapiit is really not like that...12:14
deramno, you do..12:14
djszapihuh ?12:14
djszapiby providing a feedback about a lacking feature ?12:14
deramto very wrong channel12:14
derammaybe it is lacking feature, but none of this channel is responsible for it not being implemented12:15
deramterminal software used to have linebuffering capabilities back when they were used frequently.. Can't tell why minicom would be lacking this feature.12:18
deramand minicom is not the only software for this purpose..12:20
deramcutecom is line oriented (as opposed to minicom character oriented)12:21
phakowhat the hell is Packet::ErrorPacket: "requested pixmap 'icon-l-folder-empty' QSize(0, 0) already acquired by client"  supposed to mean?12:23
phakoit means "I don't have that icon"12:25
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pai read that mce::DeviceModeControl aegis credential does not work on PR1.2? possible?12:27
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pashit, it is12:38
SpeedEvilWhat's that - flight/... mode?12:38
pawell, i wanted to use it for switching on/off the internet connections12:39
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mtdanyone imported contacts from a tracker database?12:48
* mtd has non-overlapping sets of contacts and messages in non-overlapping backups that I'd like to merge12:48
phakocomplex solution: drop the database in a desktop instance of tracker, use qtcontacts-tracker's tools to dump a vcar file and import that.12:49
pamtd, i guess you cant access those contacts in the backups via qtmobility, can you?12:49
mtdpa: hmm, is there a way to point qtmobility at a specific sqlitedb?12:50
mtdphako: ah, good one12:50
pathat i dont know.. maybe some guys with more knowledge of the platform can tell you12:50
* mtd goes to find qtcontacts-tracker for fedora12:50
phakoI think it has a specfile for meego12:51
mtdphako: ah, thanks, promising though12:57
phakomtd: I just see that the tools included there only dump one contact12:58
phakolet me paste my dumper12:58
* mtd wonders about python on-device dump to vcard12:58
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marcushi all. is there a way to modify the timestamp of a firmware image to bypass the downgrade disallowed message (or any other workaround for that)?13:50
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jonnimarcus: for 3rd parties no. If you are nokia care or internal, then yes.14:15
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marcuseven coldflashing does not work?14:20
marcusas with 1.2 i have craches in fenix very often (if the network connectivity is poor). afterwards it does no longer start, so i have to reboot14:21
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jonniyou can always reflash the same version that you currently have, but if you try to switch variants then you hit the downgrade feature.14:23
marcusjonni, ok, as reflashing will not solve that problem. is there something like a bugtracker of these kind of things?14:23
jonnihave you tried --erase-user-data=secure to have good full refhash? and which email accounts crashes for you imap, mfe or something else?14:25
jonnibugtracker is already closed, and only critical showstoppers are accepted anymore.14:26
marcuswhich means there is no real update planned anymore?14:28
marcusbtw. i am using exchange and imap14:29
marcusboth worked correctly in PR1.114:29
marcusbtw. i have flashed both root and EMMC. do i still have to  --erase-user-data=secure?14:32
jonniwell if there is some conflicting data in cal which screws up mail, then you need to add that secure wipe, since flashing root and emmc doesnt clear cal.14:36
jonnior you can wait and hope that next possible pr release would fix your problems. But as mail works fine in most of the people in pr1.2, I would be that its broken for you if you restored any backups or havent secure wiped.14:37
marcusok, i will try that. besides that the music application often stucks while searching through a large music collection14:39
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KhertanIt's me or noone care about QA in Apps4MeeGo ?14:44
X-FadeKhertan: Will be in-client hopefully this week.14:45
X-FadeKhertan: I hope that will improve it a lot.14:45
KhertanX-Fade, will be better ... thx to devel of the client :)14:45
Khertana question for you, i hear from a troller (djas...) that cobs could be closed in few time14:47
Khertanthat's true ? cobs is payed by who ? LF ?14:47
X-Fadecobs is payed by LF.14:47
X-FadeAnd yes, it can close, but we have been given no date yet. So no real hurry atm.14:48
X-FadePlus we have OBS functional as a backup.14:48
Khertanwill be funny that (still payed by Nokia ? ) will survive to MeeGo infrastructure :)14:49
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marcusare there any plans to build an open mobile phone hardware, if nokia is planning to drop harmattan support in the future?14:52
javispedrowho was from here that owned a 5820TG? faenil?14:52
javispedro~seen faenil14:52
infobotfaenil <~faenil@> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 20h 37m 22s ago, saying: 'can anyone help me in pm with a constructor and q_property issue?'.14:52
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paanyway.. its strange that nokia at this point doesnt try to rebel against microsoft stop against competing platforms. M$ is fucked without nokia, so i guess nokia would have some contractual power to restart the maemo division. after all itùs not competing at all, and the only thing it can achieve is android market erosion.16:14
marcusfor me the question is if it's possible to keep a vital community in post-nokia times16:19
marcusand perhaps develop new devices with another (open) vendor16:19
pawith harmattan you mean?16:19
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paits more likely to happen with nemo, i gues16:20
marcusyou mean mer?16:20
payes, i doubt nokia will ever release the source of the pieces that are now closed16:20
marcusbut is mer ready to be run on a mobile device with support for the important features (telephony, data, bluetooth ..)?16:21
paprobably not, i dont know.. there was a post on triple boot on N9 with nitdroid, harmattan and nemo, but it was only about installing it16:22
dm8tbrfor a community driven OS, Mer/Nemo actually works pretty well on the N95016:22
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marcusdoes it also support the phone functionality dm8tbr ?16:24
dm8tbrI've made phone calls with it16:26
pais the project germany-driven?16:26
dm8tbrwhat makes you think so?16:27
pai just wonder16:27
marcusis the ui that is used in harmattan closed source?16:28
papity tho.. i love it16:28
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MohammadAGTmo right now: someone announces that iOS is jailbroken, others ask if this makes the N9 overclockable16:43
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jreznikmarcus: mostly closed source but some bits are open source (but still not open as because of aegis...)17:09
Sazpaimonpa, i think the issue is nokia storing conversations in the meta.db cache file and nowhere else17:10
Sazpaimoni dont think it's tracker related17:10
SazpaimonI could be wrong on that though17:10
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padoes lumia and N9 have the same battery?18:06
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paseems not18:10
pabut someone here was saying that n9 never really powers off18:11
pawhat happens if i power it off to replace the battery?18:11
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ZogG_laptopsup guys18:26
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jonni pa: lumia800 and N9 has same battery18:39
paah thanks.. hope these batteries will be easy to find once they will begin dying18:42
deramany idea how easy/hard it will be to change that battery?18:45
payes, there's a video showing how to disassemble the N918:46
panot easy18:46
jonnisemi easy18:49
deramyes.. it's not worst case to get the battery out..18:51
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* Khertan hope n950 battery will not be too hard to replace19:00
Khertanor that meltemi phone will be good19:01
Khertanafter all ... meltemi is just an other wind name, in the pure Maemo tradition :)19:01
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KhertanI ve just discover that pkgmgr let user install package ...19:14
Khertanouch !19:14
Khertanthis mean that a simple apps can install thing in the os !19:14
Khertanwtf ????19:14
jonniheh :) it can only install user/ packages19:14
jonniit cannot install !=user packages19:15
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rlinfatiis  Patrick Ernzer here ?19:17
Khertanjonni, yeah ... not so difficult to do user/packages19:19
Khertanjonni, i forge them in python on device19:19
itsnotabigtruckrlinfati: it doesn't appear so19:19
itsnotabigtruckhis nick is pcfe19:19
itsnotabigtrucklooks like he's on IRC right now, but not this channel19:19
jonniKhertan: well anyways any ovi store app can get root, so they can install non user packages as well.19:20
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djszapihow much time does it take for the Ovi store client to get my profile updated with the publisher logo ?19:20
Khertanjonni, root ? only via post/pre install script ?19:20
djszapior shall I upload a photo somewhere else to appear in that client ?19:20
itsnotabigtruckit does mean however that any app can easily assert any developer credential without even exploiting anything19:21
Khertandjszapi, go back to android19:21
jonniKhertan: doesnt even need to be any script, you app can get root + user19:21
Khertanjonni, i was thinking that only during install of a deb package root was permitted for pre/post install/rm script19:22
Khertanjonni, you mean that any apps from ovi can request root acces ?19:22
Khertanjonni, without even letting user know the problem that can be ?19:22
AardKhertan: you can ask aegis to give your application root permissions. I'm not sure if that'd pass ovi qa, though, but it's user installable (through downloading from browser, for example)19:23
MohammadAGdoes anyone know where I can get a specsheet pdf of a Nokia device?19:23
MohammadAGthe lumia 800 to be specific19:23
padid i understand wrong, or there is a way to install apps on N9 like on the android market, where you can select what you want to install on the market, and it gets "dropped" into the device?19:23
jonniKhertan: any app can apply root capa for their binary in ovi store. end user is never notified if the app is runned as user or if it also has capa for root.19:23
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Khertanjonni, yeah ... but at least ... i can verify easily capa for root if it s managed by aegis19:25
jonniwell yes you can check from restok what capas the application have requested.19:26
itsnotabigtruckMohammadAG: i don't think nokia officially releases real specs...maybe you can find a teardown somewhere19:26
itsnotabigtruckiirc it has a snapdragon and 512 megs of ram inside19:26
MohammadAGitsnotabigtruck, need some sort of official document19:27
MohammadAGfor customs19:27
itsnotabigtrucki think there's some limited spec info on the nokia dev site19:27
Khertanjonni, just hope there will be no security hole in flash ... or webbrowser19:27
MohammadAGI sent him a 46 page FCC catalog, apparently it's not good19:27
itsnotabigtruckoh, hrm19:27
Khertanjonni, else we will have surprise19:27
Khertanwith a package manager letting user install things19:27
jonniMohammadAG: howabout
MohammadAGjonni, pdf :/19:29
MohammadAGor some way to print all "elements"19:30
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Khertanhum ... what to do when community OBS didn't want to trigger rebuild ?19:36
pais it normal i cant register to tmo?19:38
pait says im a spammer19:38
Khertanof course you are a spammer !19:39
Khertantoo short nickname ?19:40
pa8 letters19:40
paand it shows up green19:40
itsnotabigtruckKhertan: check for errors19:40
itsnotabigtruckusually it's that something is unresolvable19:40
itsnotabigtruckor the stuff didn't actually get updated19:41
itsnotabigtruckyou can force a rebuild using a link at the bottom of the build log19:41
itsnotabigtruckMohammadAG: that's actually pretty comprehensive19:42
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Khertanitsnotabigtruck, yeah it s the problem rebuild didn't rebuild, and build log is empty :)19:47
itsnotabigtruckKhertan: got a link to the obs page19:47
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rlinfatitip, install all devtools : for i in $(pkgmgr list-available | grep devtool | cut -f1 -d\ ) ; do echo pkgmgr install -p $i ; done19:50
Khertanitsnotabigtruck, look like it was a problem in the webinterface ... as now there is a build log19:53
Khertanand it s succeed19:53
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paexcuse my silly question, but what password do i need to git clone projects on
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KhertanIt s funny to see that a security PasswdGenerator based on hashed is more downloaded from china than every other country together !20:17
KhertanMouarf !20:17
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MohammadAGdebugging without a debugger is fun20:33
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itsnotabigtruckKhertan: why is that?20:36
itsnotabigtruckthere seems to be an unusually large number of chinese N9 users so it's only natural there'd be a lot of chinese downloads20:38
itsnotabigtruckare there any chinese language n9 forums/sites out there?20:38
itsnotabigtrucki know there's a russian one20:38
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MohammadAGis there a way for an app to know its own memory usage?20:43
MohammadAGI'm using caching a lot, so I'd like to know that after a certain amount of memory used up in RAM I'd like to do some cleaning up20:44
MohammadAGthough I'm happy that with all the caching I'm doing the app normally uses up less than 15MBs of RAM, <3 MTF20:44
itsnotabigtruckMohammadAG: probably by catting something in proc20:46
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MohammadAGitsnotabigtruck, not that way :/21:14
itsnotabigtruckfailing that, read /proc/self/stat and parse it21:17
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DocScrutinizeritsnotabigtruck: :nod:21:17
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DocScrutinizernevertheless such a design is kinky. An app should *know* about own ram-usage, I mean how could it not?21:22
DocScrutinizereach time the app allocates mem, there's some tally to sum up how much it already allocated21:23
DocScrutinizerand honestly, an app doesn't even want to know how much mem got allocated. It should simply not be greedy on mem21:24
itsnotabigtruckgood point...21:25
itsnotabigtruckMohammadAG: just keep track of the size of your own cache21:25
DocScrutinizerthere are for sure better indicators if some cache is outdated and probably useless, and thus should get freed, rather than monitoring the total of mem usage21:25
itsnotabigtruckwithout asking the OS21:25
itsnotabigtrucke.g. set a limit on the number of entries, or total size of entries, or whatever21:25
DocScrutinizerot timeout21:26
Sazpaimonmy phone is suddenly going through a reboot loop21:26
DocScrutinizerway saner metrics regarding you deal with an interactive app21:26
Sazpaimonwhat do I do to debug this21:27
Sazpaimonturn on r&d mode?21:27
DocScrutinizerif it's npot interactive, then you never want to go into such things like event triggered garbage collection (freeing cache is nothing else than a garbage collection)21:27
DocScrutinizerSazpaimon: might or might not help21:28
SazpaimonI have the nitdroid alpha installed, i can always boot into that to see what's up21:28
DocScrutinizeroooh, HARM :-/ no use in R&D afaik21:29
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itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon: probably can't do much without wiping21:29
Sazpaimonactually doesn't seem like android is starting up either21:29
itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon: actually, if you have nitdroid, that means you have om, right21:30
itsnotabigtruckif you have om, try the rescue kernel21:30
Sazpaimontried starting nitdroid, shuts down after a few seconds21:30
Sazpaimonlink to rescue kernel21:30
DocScrutinizerwell, it's again with multiboot, so what do you expect21:31
Sazpaimonits been working fine with nitroid installed21:31
Sazpaimongranted, i havent really used it21:31
infobotsomebody said maemo-multiboot was deprecated, and a horrible hack.  PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED21:31
DocScrutinizernot a bit rusty21:32
Sazpaimonafaik N9's "multiboot" isn't really the same thing as fremantle's21:32
itsnotabigtruckbtw does the nokia provided MOSLO engage open mode? i think it's for N950 only anyway21:32
Sazpaimonall the multiboot loader does is chroot into the android directory and run /init21:32
Sazpaimonthat's beside the point, though21:33
itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon: so the nitdroid dualboot runs both harmattan and android on an android kernel?21:33
DocScrutinizerumm, you don't want to tell me nitridiot runs on "stock" linux kernel? o.O21:33
Sazpaimonthe nitdroid kernel is the harmattan kernel with android patches21:33
Sazpaimonwell, harmattan open mode kernel21:33
DocScrutinizerwithout wakelocks and shit? impossible21:34
itsnotabigtruckright, that's what i mean by "an android kernel"21:34
itsnotabigtruckwith the android stuff21:34
DocScrutinizerand you wonder why it bootloops? LOL21:35
SazpaimonDocScrutinizer, yeah except its been working fine for the last few days21:35
Sazpaimonwith absolutely no issues21:35
DocScrutinizeryeah, multiboot always does, until you shut down device during a critical period where it messes with kernel by copying modules from there to there etc21:36
DocScrutinizereven flashing kernel iirc21:37
Sazpaimonwhat are you talking about?21:37
Sazpaimonive rebooted countless times since i last flashed the kernel21:37
DocScrutinizerI'm getting panic when flashing device via PC21:37
DocScrutinizerI'd not tuch multiboot with a 10 feet pole21:38
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer: why would it need to copy modules around...21:38
DocScrutinizerto match the kernel it's going to flash immv actionediately after that m21:38
DocScrutinizerto match the kernel it's going to flash immediately after that mv action21:39
itsnotabigtruckoh right21:39
Sazpaimonbut the kernel's already flashes21:39
itsnotabigtruckwell, switching a symlink is a near-instant operation21:39
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itsnotabigtruckbut you can't atomically flash and switch the modules, yeah21:40
DocScrutinizernope, at least not on N900. For all I know multiboot is actually flashing the kernel for next boot on every boot21:40
itsnotabigtruckwhy would it do that21:40
itsnotabigtruckif it uses one kernel for both21:40
DocScrutinizermhm, using andridiot kernel for HARM?21:40
itsnotabigtruckalso, how about using kexec21:41
DocScrutinizerafaik it never worked21:41
SazpaimonDocScrutinizer, well its been working fine here21:41
DocScrutinizeruhuh, kexec??21:41
Sazpaimonno, using android kernel on HARM21:41
DocScrutinizeror andri-kernel for HARM? or what?21:42
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer: regarding kexec, what were the problems21:42
DocScrutinizerI already said it:21:42
DocScrutinizerand you wonder why it bootloops? LOL21:42
Sazpaimonyou arent making any sense?21:42
Sazpaimonare you drinking?21:42
DocScrutinizeritsnotabigtruck: dunno, sth with BL afaik21:42
Sazpaimonthe kernel was working fine21:42
Sazpaimonfor days21:42
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Sazpaimonit was working on both harmattan and android back and forth21:43
Sazpaimonnow its bootlooping and its suddenly now the kernel's fault?21:43
Sazpaimonim not sure if the zImage e-yes_ posted is the same as on his repository though21:44
Sazpaimonit should be, since the kernel boots both android and HARM21:44
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer: doesn't kexec skip the bootloader entirely21:44
DocScrutinizeryes, and that's creating the problem21:45
itsnotabigtruckbut that could be the problem, special logic might be needed to de-init the hardware21:45
itsnotabigtruckanyway, i guess the question is - what is nitdroid doing w/r/t switching modules or whatever, and - if nitdroid is doing stupid, then what's a better way to do it21:45
itsnotabigtruck*doing something stupid, accidentally'd a word21:46
DocScrutinizerthe question is: why andridiot at all?21:46
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer: because people like it and it has lots of apps, that's obvious21:46
Sazpaimonanyway, time to figure out the *true* cause of this bootloop21:47
Sazpaimonand its not rebooting immediately21:47
itsnotabigtruckif you're interested in alternative OSes at all, android is the only practical alternative21:47
DocScrutinizerthen it's as well obvious that genuine andrivices are cheaper and better hw than those Nokia "linux" phones21:47
DocScrutinizerand work way better with their genuine OS21:48
Sazpaimonit actually starts the OS, does the nokia tune, shows the loading animation, *then* reboots21:48
itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon: do the rescue kernel (just google 'n950 rescue kernel' or some such), then mount your phoine from linux21:48
itsnotabigtruckcheck if there's something up with /lib/modules21:48
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer: 'cept that we all already own N9s, and the N9 is much nicer looking aesthetically21:49
itsnotabigtruckalso my new USB lid *finally* shipped today, lol21:49
Sazpaimonthats what i come up with21:49
e-yes_DocScrutinizer, btw, multiboot doesn't copy modules21:49
DocScrutinizermaybe it 'only' flashes kernel21:49
Sazpaimone-yes_, fyi, I'm tweaking sillyboot to have a menu-type system21:49
Sazpaimonso it can boot both android and nemo21:50
itsnotabigtruckyeah, that's the one, you need the initrd too21:50
itsnotabigtruckyou boot that from flasher (don't flash it!)21:50
DocScrutinizerI'm not at all interested in details of multiboot21:50
itsnotabigtruckwarning: if you aren't in open mode already you will be after booting this kernel21:50
itsnotabigtruckin fact it would be a good idea to put that in the wiki page21:50
e-yes_Sazpaimon, cool. i hope you already seen multiboot srcs?21:51
Sazpaimone-yes_, by that you mean kernel-ng?21:52
Sazpaimonisn't this n900 specific?21:53
Sazpaimonwhat im trying to do is get sillyboot to load nemo the same way it loads android via chroot and init scripts from there21:54
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gabriel9Arch +N9 + ssh i don't need to go out of bed :)22:10
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Sazpaimonis this recuse kernel supposed to make the device a mass storage device?22:21
Sazpaimonbecause it isn't22:21
itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon: yep22:21
itsnotabigtruckis it not working? :(22:21
jpwhitinghey all, has anyone here packaged multiple projects into one harmattan deb package before?22:21
Sazpaimonwell, im trying to get windows to redirect it to virtualbox22:22
itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon: did you load the initrd with it?22:22
itsnotabigtruckthat's what i tried too22:22
jpwhitingor know documentation about how to do so22:22
itsnotabigtruckit didn't work22:22
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itsnotabigtruckit reboots when it sees the usb disconnect22:22
Sazpaimonand windows is reporting the device as "malfunctioned"22:22
itsnotabigtruckwhich is what happens when you hook a device up to virtualbox22:22
jpwhitingsay build and package a library project and an application project into one .deb so it can be installed from ovi at once?22:22
itsnotabigtruckyou need to do it from a true linux22:22
Sazpaimonitsnotabigtruck, its not even at the point where it becomes a mass storage device in windows22:23
itsnotabigtruckjpwhiting: it's definitely possible to do that with a regular debian build22:23
Sazpaimonits just reported to windows as malfunctioned22:23
itsnotabigtruckno idea about qt creator22:23
itsnotabigtruckwhich is weird22:23
itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon: yeah, windows doesn't seem to like it either22:23
itsnotabigtrucktry burning an ubuntu live cd22:23
itsnotabigtruckinstall the flasher deb once you boot up22:23
Sazpaimoni have them all at home :/22:23
itsnotabigtruckthen perform the load and see if it works22:23
* Sazpaimon at work right now22:23
jpwhitingitsnotabigtruck: well, qt creator just installs into a subdir of the build dir, so maybe if I build them all into the same build dir or something they can be packaged together?22:23
jpwhitingsomething like build/projectname/debian is what it uses now, but build/global/debian could be used instead maybe22:24
jpwhitingI was hoping qt creator made this simple, but maybe it doesn't22:24
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itsnotabigtruckjpwhiting: yeah, install it into build/projectname/opt/projectname/lib22:26
itsnotabigtruckor something like that22:26
itsnotabigtruckthe stuff needs to be installed into the staging tree at the right place22:26
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itsnotabigtruckif you were using a simple makefile and dpkg-buildpackage you'd just add another line to your install target22:27
jpwhitingwell, qt creator is calling dpkg-buildpackage22:27
jpwhitingwhat would the one line be?22:27
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itsnotabigtruckjpwhiting: install blahblahblah blahblahblah :p22:33
itsnotabigtruckbut you can't control the makefile directly, you have to use qmake, since you're using qt creator22:34
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jpwhitingitsnotabigtruck: yep, maybe I can make a master project that includes the others and builds them and packages them for harmattan22:35
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M4rtinKanyone interested in doing some Apps for Meego QA ? :)23:59
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