| crevetor | hi guys | 00:12 |
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| crevetor | does anyone know how to extract a fiasco image from the OCF ? | 00:12 |
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| jonni | crevetor: why do you need to do that? | 00:25 |
| jonni | (but you can easily find the answer howto do that with google) | 00:28 |
| crevetor | jonni: I tried google and didn't find | 00:30 |
| crevetor | Because I don'T have the fiasco image for my N950 | 00:31 |
| jonni | crevetor: google search "extract-OCF" and its the 1st hit | 00:31 |
| jonni | not that hard to find | 00:32 |
| crevetor | jonni: I guess I didn't trype the right thing. Thanks | 00:37 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | crevetor: with the windows version you can just un-7-zip it | 00:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 7-zip can extract almost anything | 00:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for everything else, there's mastercard | 00:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i mean, universal extractor | 00:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which is purpose-built for extracting installers | 00:42 |
| crevetor | lol | 00:47 |
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| AndrewX192 | First world problems: which device should I take when leaving the house. N900 or N9. | 01:35 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | n9, for sure | 01:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | unless there's something you routinely do on the 900 that you can't do with the n9, like crack wifi networks | 01:46 |
| tehdely | if you want to get a date, take the N9. it turns heads | 01:47 |
| tehdely | it's better than one of those mini-dogs | 01:47 |
| tehdely | or a nice cologne | 01:47 |
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| AndrewX192 | itsnotabigtruck: I still haven't got my VPN working 100% on the N9 | 01:57 |
| AndrewX192 | Aegis is always in the way | 01:57 |
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| villager | I always take both | 01:59 |
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| merlin1991 | AndrewX192: I bet itsnotabigtruck will suggest using inception ;) | 02:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | merlin1991: yup :p | 02:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | AndrewX192: use inception! hehe | 02:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it should be possible to set up a TUN device without inception, even, but maybe not, maybe you need mknod access | 02:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but maybe udev takes care of that biznus | 02:30 |
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| diorahman | nnapi.ovi.com is down? | 04:03 |
| diorahman | ping itsnotabigtruck | 04:03 |
| diorahman | nnapi.ovi.com | 04:03 |
| diorahman | ?? | 04:03 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | diorahman: hey | 04:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hm? | 04:10 |
| diorahman | itsnotabigtruck: nnapi.ovi.com is down? | 04:10 |
| diorahman | do you have sandboxed apps for trying it? | 04:10 |
| diorahman | I just need confirmation :-) thanks | 04:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | diorahman: well, i can ping it | 04:12 |
| diorahman | yes it is, but i couldn't consume it from my app, something wrong with mine i guess | 04:12 |
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| Sazpaimon | erm | 04:20 |
| Sazpaimon | so Im not sure what I did | 04:20 |
| Sazpaimon | but i picked up my N9 today | 04:20 |
| Sazpaimon | and it has a blinking white charging light | 04:20 |
| Sazpaimon | the hell? | 04:20 |
| sahib_ | doesn't all N9s have a blinking charging LED? | 04:21 |
| SpeedEvil | The charging light is white | 04:21 |
| SpeedEvil | in fact - the only LED is white | 04:21 |
| Sazpaimon | i mean rapidly blinking | 04:21 |
| Sazpaimon | not glowing | 04:22 |
| sahib_ | saw that on a another N9 a colleague of mine managed to fuck | 04:22 |
| sahib_ | up | 04:22 |
| sahib_ | in his case, it was that r&d mode was enabled | 04:22 |
| sahib_ | so, unset those flags with flasher and it should disappear | 04:22 |
| sahib_ | might wanna reflash it too | 04:22 |
| Sazpaimon | there we go | 04:23 |
| Sazpaimon | i just did a hard shutoff, waited a few seconds and started it up again | 04:23 |
| Sazpaimon | last time i booted it it just stopped working at the "volup for alternate os" screen | 04:23 |
| * Sazpaimon shrug | 04:23 | |
| Sazpaimon | working fine now | 04:24 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | what are some awesome visual styles for win7 | 04:26 |
| Sazpaimon | i like aero by itself | 04:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | by "visual styles" i mean those things you have to patch uxtheme.dll for | 04:26 |
| Sazpaimon | http://brsev.deviantart.com/art/Token-128429570 not a visual style but ive used this icon pack in the past | 04:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: hm, not bad, think i've seen those | 04:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the problem with changing icons is that it's impossible to do everything | 04:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and with monochromatic icons you really need to do everything because the exceptions look really out of place | 04:28 |
| Sazpaimon | they do | 04:28 |
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| Sazpaimon | so if I rm -rf /home/user/.cache/tracker/ | 04:28 |
| Sazpaimon | will that completely destroy all my messages? | 04:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ...possibly | 04:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pretty sure they're stored in some tracker-related directory and that might be the one | 04:29 |
| Sazpaimon | welp | 04:29 |
| Sazpaimon | guess i need to restore this backup from november | 04:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but that has cache in the name which implies it can be nuked without repercussions | 04:29 |
| Sazpaimon | well, i nuked it | 04:29 |
| Sazpaimon | and my messages are empty | 04:29 |
| Sazpaimon | so are my recent calls | 04:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i know that upgrading tracker (done during an ssu) deletes some sort of tracker data | 04:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hence the slowdown after the upgrade | 04:30 |
| Sazpaimon | what can I run to try and rebild the tracker cache | 04:30 |
| Sazpaimon | /usr/lib/tracker/tracker-store and /usr/lib/tracker/tracker-miner-fs are already running | 04:31 |
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| diorahman | itsnotabigtruck: ah, missing credentials | 05:14 |
| diorahman | itsnotabigtruck: but, I have my nokia account already | 05:14 |
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| psycho_oreos | any of you are able to install gnu-tar with at least PR1.1? | 06:15 |
| tehdely | i need to build gogoc | 06:18 |
| tehdely | so i can have ipv6 over 3G :) | 06:18 |
| tehdely | then i need to build asterisk and have it run on the phone and intercept my calls | 06:19 |
| tehdely | then i will be the awesomenest nerd on planet earth and my dong will grow to 2' | 06:19 |
| tehdely | this phone has totally changed my life guys | 06:19 |
| luke-jr | tehdely: if you can… | 06:24 |
| luke-jr | also, Asterisk doesn't support IPv6 | 06:24 |
| tehdely | doesn't have to | 06:24 |
| tehdely | although i think there is ipv6 support in the works | 06:25 |
| tehdely | the main use of asterisk will be developing a call filter/advanced call manager-like app on steroids | 06:25 |
| tehdely | i'd love to just have all incoming calls to my phone hit a custom dialplan | 06:26 |
| tehdely | before actually invoking the telephony app | 06:26 |
| tehdely | it should be possible, as long as asterisk is answering the calls. i can set up asterisk as a local SIP account and just use the dialer with that | 06:26 |
| tehdely | and asterisk is very lightweight | 06:26 |
| luke-jr | my cell service is IPv6 only | 06:39 |
| luke-jr | also, SIP doesn't really work over 3G | 06:39 |
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| teleshoes | heeyyya, is there an openmode kernel that lets me save passwords so i dont have to enter them at boot? | 06:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | luke-jr: ipv6...only? | 06:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what? | 06:43 |
| luke-jr | itsnotabigtruck: ? | 06:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | how could any isp get away with that on an internet where less than tenth of a percent of sites have ipv6 | 06:43 |
| luke-jr | there is NAT64 of course | 06:43 |
| luke-jr | they have an IPv6 subnet mapped to the IPv4 world | 06:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | psycho_oreos: oh no...don't fsck your phone again, please | 07:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DO NOT INSTALL TAR, or anything else provided by busybox, unless you know the aegis implications and take care of them | 07:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | luke-jr: that's very lame :( | 07:03 |
| luke-jr | itsnotabigtruck: not at all | 07:03 |
| psycho_oreos | itsnotabigtruck, why? it used to work with PR1.0 and now dpkg-divert prevents gnu-tar from installinng | 07:08 |
| psycho_oreos | s/installinng/installing/ | 07:09 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: itsnotabigtruck, why? it used to work with PR1.0 and now dpkg-divert prevents gnu-tar from installing | 07:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | psycho_oreos: i know somebody already screwed up their phone severely installing tar, i thought it was you | 07:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it caused a hash mismatch | 07:13 |
| psycho_oreos | itsnotabigtruck, there's two tar packages, one is tar and the other is gnu-tar. If one tries to download and install the original tar it would have removed a whole bunch of conflicts and therefore potentially brick the setup. The other is a less pervasive way which in theory only redirects /bin/tar to something like /bin/tar.orig iinm | 07:15 |
| psycho_oreos | and like I said, it used to work with PR1.0 without any problems, but now with PR1.1 it prevents me from creating a redirect when there's no redirects for /bin/tar | 07:16 |
| tehdely | 03:39 < luke-jr> my cell service is IPv6 only | 07:16 |
| tehdely | lucky bastard ;) | 07:16 |
| tehdely | AT&T Mobility will probably be there in another... 20 years | 07:16 |
| tehdely | *sigh* | 07:16 |
| tehdely | also, i'm only planning on doing SIP to 127.0.0.1. so no NAT / 3G implications. | 07:17 |
| tehdely | basically set up a SIP account that is, in fact, an asterisk running on the phone. and asterisk will broker calls out via cellular as well as via IAX2 to other asterisks | 07:17 |
| tehdely | 03:42 < teleshoes> heeyyya, is there an openmode kernel that lets me save passwords so i dont have to enter them at boot? | 07:18 |
| teleshoes | mm? | 07:18 |
| tehdely | teleshoes: it's not a kernel issue, it's a keys issue. you can have saved passwords + openmode provided that you "open" the phone immediately after you've reflashed | 07:18 |
| teleshoes | open? | 07:18 |
| teleshoes | i flashed the emmc, firmware, and kernel together | 07:19 |
| teleshoes | boot immediately | 07:19 |
| tehdely | i followed itsnotabigtruck's instructions | 07:19 |
| teleshoes | enter the accounts | 07:19 |
| teleshoes | reboot | 07:19 |
| tehdely | and i have open mode + saved passwords | 07:19 |
| tehdely | that persist across boots | 07:19 |
| teleshoes | pr1.2, yea? | 07:19 |
| tehdely | yes | 07:19 |
| tehdely | i had to do it precisely as follows: | 07:19 |
| teleshoes | k, i must be doing something bad | 07:19 |
| tehdely | flash pr1.2 + emmc | 07:19 |
| tehdely | POWER OFF PHONE | 07:19 |
| tehdely | get flasher ready, attach phone | 07:19 |
| tehdely | boot open mode kernel | 07:19 |
| tehdely | reboot phone again into pr1.2 | 07:19 |
| tehdely | it has to boot _fresh_ into open mode | 07:19 |
| tehdely | if it's booted into secure mode even one time | 07:20 |
| tehdely | saved passwords will likely not work | 07:20 |
| teleshoes | mm, ive heard that before | 07:20 |
| teleshoes | i flashed them without rebooting in between | 07:20 |
| tehdely | if the phone so much as even starts to boot into secure mode, you're screwed | 07:20 |
| tehdely | key generation happens quite early in the boot process | 07:20 |
| luke-jr | tehdely: so why not switch to T-Mobile too? ;) | 07:20 |
| teleshoes | im quite certain that ive got it not booting between | 07:21 |
| tehdely | luke-jr: well, i could, except i'm on a family plan with my boyfriend's iPhone | 07:21 |
| tehdely | double-sigh | 07:21 |
| luke-jr | jailbreak it | 07:21 |
| teleshoes | jail break...tmobile? | 07:21 |
| tehdely | luke-jr: that's not the point, it won't get 3G on T-mo | 07:21 |
| tehdely | no support for AWS | 07:21 |
| tehdely | only Nokia makes pentaband phones :/ | 07:21 |
| tehdely | i could get 3G on T-Mo, but he wouldn't | 07:21 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 07:22 |
| tehdely | so is t-mobile US actually IPv6-native? are you telling the truth? | 07:22 |
| luke-jr | teleshoes: jailbreak iPhone | 07:22 |
| teleshoes | oh ew | 07:22 |
| luke-jr | tehdely: you have to enable it, but yes | 07:22 |
| tehdely | fuckers | 07:22 |
| tehdely | i'm jealous | 07:22 |
| tehdely | my plan is to compile gogoc | 07:22 |
| luke-jr | tehdely: the best part is, you get to bypass the whole customer support bs and email the engineers directly :P | 07:22 |
| tehdely | and just bring up a freenet6 tunnel whenever it associates with an AP | 07:22 |
| tehdely | i believe in IPv6 everywhere | 07:23 |
| tehdely | it's part of a wholesome and honorable existance | 07:23 |
| tehdely | anyhow, off to bed n stuff | 07:24 |
| tehdely | JEALOUS | 07:24 |
| tehdely | UGH | 07:24 |
| luke-jr | XD | 07:24 |
| tehdely | :P | 07:24 |
| AndrewX192 | lol | 07:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | luke-jr: you're on t-mobile? i thought the ipv6 trial was dual stack | 07:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the thing is that ipv6 is cool, but ipv4 is practical | 07:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | having both is ideal | 07:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | having ipv6 only is a significant limitation | 07:34 |
| luke-jr | itsnotabigtruck: I have full IPv4 access with IPv6-only stack | 07:34 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | luke-jr: well, NATted ipv4 access...though on phones it's normal to have incoming traffic blocked anyway | 07:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or to be behind an ipv4 nat | 07:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it would be catastrophic if that sort of thing was deployed on residential internet | 07:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but the isps are itching to do exactly that, it's the only reason they're interested in ipv6 | 07:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | delivering less for more | 07:37 |
| luke-jr | IPv6 isn't less | 07:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | luke-jr: NAT64 is less than ipv4 native | 07:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's not opinion, that's fact | 07:42 |
| luke-jr | no telco provides IPv4 native. | 07:43 |
| luke-jr | for cellular | 07:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | since it means you can't host stuff to 99.9% of the internet | 07:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, it's unusual for mobile | 07:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's not unusual for residential | 07:43 |
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| virtuald | luke-jr: in sweden they do but we're a small nation | 08:16 |
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| djszapi | Hey! Any musicians here ? I am about to write an music educational application, and was wondering if anybody is interested in this topic to provide feedback. | 12:12 |
| ieatlint | ooh, it looks like a panorama app is coming to the n9 | 12:31 |
| ieatlint | interestingly, a panorama feature was just added by nokia the lumias, but it has significantly less functionality as compared to the symbian/maemo versions | 12:32 |
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| djszapi | it seems people like Lumia | 12:32 |
| ieatlint | all i hear is that it's the best windows phones out | 12:34 |
| ieatlint | but the review of windows phone varies a lot more | 12:34 |
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| ieatlint | so nokia accomplished their goal to be the main wp7 maker, but wp7 has yet to prove itself as a competitor to apple/android | 12:35 |
| ieatlint | and the app system on the lumias is almost bizarrely fractured... there are two competing maps apps, both with different features/benefits | 12:37 |
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| djszapi | you think ? | 12:38 |
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| gabriel9 | djszapi: nice khangman | 12:53 |
| gabriel9 | i voted and written review | 12:54 |
| gabriel9 | my friends who work for MS(partners) don't like WP :D | 12:54 |
| gabriel9 | every one of them use droid or iOS. But i must add one iUser will switch to N9. He said it have more style(and he is designer) :) | 12:54 |
| djszapi | thanks for the khangman review :) | 12:55 |
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| ieatlint | uh, with the map thing, yes, bing maps offers decent search, faster load times | 12:57 |
| ieatlint | the nokia maps offers offline maps, and a few others benefits, but it's search is terrible, at least in the US | 12:58 |
| ieatlint | but mid summer it will be pretty evident if the wp7 gamble succeeded | 13:03 |
| ieatlint | my money is on nokia selling off its smartphone business and proceeding with its larger business of selling feature phones, perhaps with meltemi | 13:04 |
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| djszapi | ieatlint: you mean the next billion devices.. | 13:22 |
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| petteri | heheh, earlier this week there was qt code with melteni text on the copyright. After someone noticed that nokia rewrote the whole git history to get rid of it :D | 13:27 |
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| ieatlint | heh, seems rediculous... meltemi is a widely known "secret", and it's obviously not a marketing name, so references to it are pretty meh | 13:31 |
| ieatlint | the only thing something like that confirms is that meltemi wouldn't be canceled [yet] | 13:32 |
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| Avengence | T-Mobile is using IPv6 in the US? here I'm stuck with a damn 10.something behind a crappy NAT. If they gave me IPv6 I wouldn't mind the NAT64 | 13:39 |
| ieatlint | Avengence: it's in testing still i think, and you have to opt-in and manually configure your access point | 13:40 |
| ieatlint | but you get a public ip | 13:40 |
| Avengence | luke-jr: all the US providers have some option to get a real IPv4 address (maybe even static) by using a separate APN. generally its for businesses subscribing numerous devices | 13:42 |
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| pa | do you know whether the "Settings" application is open source? meaning if it is in the dvd with the pr1.2 sources | 13:50 |
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| djszapi | pa: why would you need it ? | 13:55 |
| djszapi | why not qml settings page like I did in few applications ? | 13:56 |
| djszapi | my project is fully open source and even governed. | 13:56 |
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| pa | djszapi, im trying to find out what i have to do to toggle wlan on and off | 13:56 |
| pa | so far im digging into dbus and gconf, but i cant find the right settings i have to change | 13:57 |
| pa | so i thought i could look into the settings app to see what it does | 13:57 |
| djszapi | well, it is simple to grep for that in the public SDK | 13:58 |
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| djszapi | SDK Sources* | 13:58 |
| pa | ah i see, thanks, i can try | 13:59 |
| ieatlint | is it normal for others with an n9 to consistently have their ram usage in the 85-90% range, even after just booting and having started nothing but terminal? | 14:00 |
| pa | djszapi, you mean the scratchbox, right? | 14:02 |
| djszapi | pa: no | 14:02 |
| djszapi | http://pastebin.com/V7RLdXGZ | 14:02 |
| djszapi | http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7082963/Harmattan_PR1.2_source_code -> there is a nice file list on piratebay. | 14:03 |
| djszapi | no idea why http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/1.2-2/ does not provide that... | 14:03 |
| ieatlint | pa: are you sure QNetworkConfigurationManager doesn't allow you to turn on/off the wifi connection? | 14:04 |
| ieatlint | i really don't know how well it was implemented on harmattan.. | 14:04 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: no because the class name is too short. | 14:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: isn't 100% RAM usage normal for all linux machines, even the fsckdup versions? | 14:05 |
| ieatlint | :P | 14:06 |
| ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: not in my normal experience.. | 14:06 |
| pa | ieatlint, thanks for the tip, i can check it now | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, not as long as your storage transfer was less than free RAM, so not even buffers had a chance to fill up | 14:07 |
| ieatlint | hmmm, so what you're saying is my ram usage isn't 87%, but rather that's largely buffers that are using ram with a low priority to otherwise speed the system up? | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | unlikely situation for a small system with many heavy processes, like HARM | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, that's what linux does | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | no idea how many green, blue, and red bars your htop mem usage bar shows, though | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | N950: >>Mem: 753100K used, 255564K free, 0K shrd, 53584K buff, 368128K cached<< (top) | 14:10 |
| ieatlint | yeah, i installed lpsmagic and was a bit surprised, it seems that indeed the only pieces of useful info for me are the date and battery charge level | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# free | 14:11 |
| ieatlint | yay for open source apps so that i can change things to suit my needs | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | total used free shared buffers | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Mem: 1008664 753100 255564 0 53584 | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | -/+ buffers: 699516 309148 | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Swap: 262136 4716 257420 | 14:11 |
| djszapi | open source is overrated... | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | all meamo systems use swappiness=100 IIRC | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | by default | 14:13 |
| ieatlint | djszapi: you're tempting a religious conversation, and quite possibly trolling | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | which - again IIRC - means that system rather swaps out stuff to make space for cache | 14:13 |
| * DocScrutinizer praises /ignore | 14:14 | |
| ieatlint | :P | 14:14 |
| * ieatlint resisted the urge to show up at a talk rms was giving last weekend in order to troll him | 14:15 | |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway don't hesitate to ping me when a +q or +b seems due. I might not have noticed it | 14:15 |
| ieatlint | nah, nothing like that is warranted | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | though "trolling" is an almost perfect buzzword as well :-D | 14:15 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: hmm, sure... :p would have been better to join #linux, and say "linux is overrated" as a joining post =) | 14:16 |
| ieatlint | djszapi: if you'd done that, they have entirely ignored you or just banned you without discussion | 14:17 |
| djszapi | thanks for breaking the fun :p | 14:18 |
| ieatlint | same as if you went into #linux and said "dude, it's gnu/linux, and you guys are going away once hurd comes out" | 14:18 |
| * DocScrutinizer considers setting up autoresponder: <auto regex="*djszapi*troll*">/mode #harmattan *djszapi*!*@* +q</auto> | 14:18 | |
| DocScrutinizer | dang, I probably should do *exactly* that, since my /ignore somewhat defeats the purpose of chanop | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | OTOH purpose of chanop is to save users from suffering by other users trolling, so it's probably a sane thing to put decision about bans into hand of all chan users | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, let's test how a semi-automatic setup pans out | 14:22 |
| djszapi | so no musicians ? :) | 14:33 |
| djszapi | even hobbyists ? | 14:34 |
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| pa | ieatlint, i checked that class, but im not sure it is possible to enable/disable wlan. it looks like it tells if wlan is enabled or disabled, but it doesnt look like it is possible to set it | 14:36 |
| ieatlint | yeah, i don't see an obvious method to do it, but i didn't look too hard | 14:39 |
| ieatlint | i did see this enum value for capabilities though, "QNetworkConfigurationManager::CanStartAndStopInterfaces" | 14:39 |
| pa | yes, that i saw | 14:39 |
| ieatlint | which implies to me it can, but who knows | 14:39 |
| ieatlint | and who knows how well it's supported on harmattan even if so | 14:39 |
| pa | i can try to grep in the harmattan source, as last chance | 14:42 |
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| torarne1 | so what's the latests news on the apt-repo signing stuff? | 15:23 |
| torarne1 | from what i've understood the sdk repo at http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com is unusable without being signed | 15:24 |
| torarne1 | unless you manually incept each deb from the apt cache | 15:24 |
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| torarne1 | or is there a way using inception to mass-override the signing issue? | 15:25 |
| torarne1 | using opensh or aegisctrl perhaps? | 15:25 |
| djszapi | you should not use that repo at all | 15:25 |
| djszapi | if anything works in that repository on the device, that is pure luck as they say. | 15:27 |
| torarne1 | because... | 15:27 |
| djszapi | because it was never meant for device. Simple. | 15:27 |
| djszapi | it is an SDK repository for building packages in sb or madde. | 15:28 |
| torarne1 | right, but practically what would be the difference between wget from that repo and wget "for the device"? | 15:28 |
| djszapi | well, you can just see... | 15:29 |
| djszapi | wget from that repo does not work normally. | 15:29 |
| torarne1 | in what way? | 15:30 |
| djszapi | well, can you install it without doing that manually ? | 15:31 |
| djszapi | iow, they provide zero support for the device with that repository. | 15:31 |
| torarne1 | that's a circular argument | 15:31 |
| torarne1 | it's different because it's different... | 15:32 |
| djszapi | no, it is your poor understanding | 15:32 |
| djszapi | it does not work for anybody to install it without doing manually. | 15:32 |
| djszapi | aka. why spend more time with it, if they do not support this mode ? | 15:32 |
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| djszapi | I see no point in that... | 15:33 |
| torarne1 | wow, just wow | 15:33 |
| djszapi | that is why the bug was opened for my suggestion after opening one internally too, and went nowhere. | 15:33 |
| djszapi | but as the figure shows, they seriously do not care. | 15:34 |
| djszapi | so better just get rid of stuff, and put things into a community repository. | 15:34 |
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| djszapi | wow, you are active in the tuxguitar project :) | 15:51 |
| djszapi | or was at some point. | 15:51 |
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| torarne1 | anyone know what's the issue when getting "Invalid installation package" when installing a .deb from the download manager? It works fine if I install it manually using dpkg | 16:20 |
| djszapi | you wanna see the console output as well, I bet... | 16:21 |
| torarne1 | what do you mean? | 16:22 |
| djszapi | you know console :) | 16:22 |
| djszapi | run the pkgmgr from console, etc | 16:22 |
| torarne1 | ah, right | 16:24 |
| torarne1 | hmm, it complains about it not being a user package, but i've set the section to user/system | 16:29 |
| djszapi | you did set it wrong then :) | 16:29 |
| djszapi | double check the control file. | 16:29 |
| djszapi | or you did not rebuild it properly etc | 16:32 |
| torarne1 | weird, same thing | 16:33 |
| djszapi | though, what is your app about ? | 16:33 |
| djszapi | you sure it should be in "system" ? | 16:33 |
| torarne1 | it's a meta-package | 16:34 |
| torarne1 | i want to create a package that adds a repo and the right key for that repo | 16:34 |
| djszapi | I would not personally put it into the system category. | 16:35 |
| torarne1 | ok. that's fine, i can use other, or something else | 16:35 |
| djszapi | I would rather use it as a "utilities" category. | 16:35 |
| torarne1 | ok | 16:35 |
| torarne1 | wonder why it doesnt work though | 16:35 |
| djszapi | paste the control file, please. | 16:36 |
| djszapi | and the output of the dpkg-buildpackage build. | 16:36 |
| torarne1 | whats does "Maemo-Flags: visible" do? | 16:36 |
| djszapi | same, but do not use that. | 16:36 |
| djszapi | it is buggy. | 16:36 |
| torarne1 | https://gist.github.com/2194033 | 16:36 |
| torarne1 | k | 16:36 |
| djszapi | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Apps/Packaging -> other is not really here :) | 16:37 |
| torarne1 | :) i know, tried that over system | 16:37 |
| djszapi | so please paste the build output. | 16:37 |
| torarne1 | dpkg-deb: building package `mypackage' in `mypackage.deb'. | 16:39 |
| djszapi | full output. | 16:39 |
| torarne1 | home/user/MyDocs/.downloads # /usr/bin/pkgmgr install-file -f mypackage.deb | 16:39 |
| torarne1 | Error: Package 'mypackage' installed version '0.10' is not user package | 16:39 |
| torarne1 | that is the full output | 16:40 |
| djszapi | build output. | 16:40 |
| torarne1 | it's a meta pacakge, it has a 3 files, DEBIAN/control (+ a preinst and postinst) | 16:41 |
| djszapi | does not matter, either provide the output, I cannot help. | 16:41 |
| djszapi | or* | 16:41 |
| djszapi | the problem needs to be debugged :-) | 16:41 |
| torarne1 | output of what? dpkg —build? | 16:41 |
| djszapi | though, you might wanna install it as developer | 16:42 |
| djszapi | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot | 16:42 |
| torarne1 | ah, i used dpkg —build | 16:43 |
| torarne1 | djszapi: https://gist.github.com/2194639 | 16:56 |
| djszapi | and does not still work ? | 16:57 |
| djszapi | though, you also wanna use source format 3, on a side note. | 16:58 |
| torarne1 | ok | 16:58 |
| torarne1 | nope, same error :/ | 16:58 |
| torarne1 | https://gist.github.com/2194748 | 16:59 |
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| torarne1 | ah, dang, dpkg had an earlier version registered, i had to purge that one first, then pkgmngr did its job | 17:07 |
| torarne1 | well, it fails in a different place, but that explains the no user package error | 17:08 |
| torarne1 | all right, everything works now | 17:24 |
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| djszapiN9 | how can i make my review non-anonymous in this ovi store client ? | 18:12 |
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| faenil | can anyone help me in pm with a constructor and q_property issue? | 18:15 |
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| djszapi | also, how can I upload a picture about me to the publisher account ? | 18:23 |
| djszapi | right, that one found. | 18:24 |
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| gabriel9 | djszapi: ping | 19:19 |
| djszapi | pong | 19:19 |
| gabriel9 | did you solve that non-anonymous problem in ovi store? | 19:20 |
| djszapi | nope | 19:20 |
| gabriel9 | i also try to become non-anonymous | 19:21 |
| gabriel9 | :D | 19:21 |
| djszapi | publisher logo did not get published either the last few hours. | 19:22 |
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| gabriel9 | do you guys have something like this in your countries? | 19:31 |
| gabriel9 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3dqs1YJu70 | 19:31 |
| gabriel9 | swit jisus | 19:31 |
| tehdely | lol turbofolk | 19:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 'sup | 19:36 |
| gabriel9 | you know turbofolk? | 19:36 |
| tehdely | i know of it yes | 19:36 |
| tehdely | jeje | 19:36 |
| SpeedEvil | UK morning TV. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=sTPQkQTbmiU#t=322s | 19:37 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNb5ZPsNGzc - UK evening TV | 19:38 |
| gabriel9 | my friend just removed one of his testicles becouse of cancer :( | 19:39 |
| tehdely | rough | 19:39 |
| gabriel9 | yes, really bad | 19:39 |
| tehdely | gonna be a lot more people getting cancer the next 10-20 yrs because of the nuclear accident | 19:40 |
| gabriel9 | and now he can't have babies | 19:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | gabriel9: :( a whole lot better than having your life removed though | 19:40 |
| gabriel9 | and food is also guilty | 19:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | isn't testicular cancer one of the more recoverable ones | 19:40 |
| tehdely | well, the fallout is in the food. that's the problem :/ | 19:40 |
| gabriel9 | he is OK now | 19:40 |
| tehdely | yeah i would prly take the loss of my nads pretty serious if i thought i was going to have kids | 19:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | tehdely: i highly doubt there's any significant amount of fallout outside japan | 19:40 |
| tehdely | itsnotabigtruck: au contraire my friend, it's quite bad | 19:41 |
| tehdely | especially on the west coast + hawaii | 19:41 |
| tehdely | bay area milk has been testing above safe levels for nearly a year now | 19:41 |
| gabriel9 | my grandpa have 82 years and he was only one time at the doctor | 19:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's no fallout on the west coast...i bet you're going off of that hoax map | 19:41 |
| tehdely | no that map was bupkus | 19:41 |
| gabriel9 | he is more healthy then me :/ | 19:41 |
| tehdely | i'm going off of the EPA | 19:41 |
| tehdely | who downplays things | 19:41 |
| tehdely | so it's probably worse | 19:41 |
| gabriel9 | but he only eats what he grows and he live in mountains | 19:41 |
| tehdely | cancer's a bitch. i hope i reduced my risk by stopping smoking 5+years ago | 19:42 |
| tehdely | lot of lung cancer in my family | 19:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the point is that fukushima was way worse than everybody thought it was going to be, but the anti-nuclear campaigners had a field day with it and totally exaggerated it beyond reality | 19:42 |
| gabriel9 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9lquok4Pdk | 19:42 |
| tehdely | itsnotabigtruck: according to whom? it's definitely a worse accident than chernobyl on nearly every qualitative measurement | 19:43 |
| tehdely | i mean, people were claiming it's the apocalypse | 19:43 |
| SpeedEvil | It's fucking depressing that Japan has effectively killed new nuclear in many places | 19:43 |
| tehdely | but i think causing 10s of millions of new cancer cases is pretty bad | 19:43 |
| tehdely | SpeedEvil: japan has effectively killed their ability to conduct agriculture on half the island | 19:43 |
| gabriel9 | it is slow killer | 19:43 |
| SpeedEvil | 10s of millions is - I expect high | 19:43 |
| tehdely | doing away with nuclear is an acceptable sacrifice after that | 19:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | tehdely: It's really not that bad | 19:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | chernobyl radiated something like half of ukraine and spread radioactive ash everywhere | 19:44 |
| tehdely | itsnotabigtruck: fukushima radiated most of honshu | 19:44 |
| tehdely | there's areas of tokyo that are more radioactive than the mandatory evacuation zones in ukraine+belarus | 19:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ukraine is a lot bigger than japan, land-wise | 19:44 |
| tehdely | but the japanese government has been remiss to do anything about it | 19:44 |
| tehdely | because how do you evacuate a city of 30 million people? you don't | 19:44 |
| tehdely | you just hope not too many get sick | 19:44 |
| tehdely | itsnotabigtruck: it's belarus that was destroyed by chernobyl | 19:44 |
| tehdely | ukraine got a dusting by comparison | 19:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and the radiation was mostly confined to japan | 19:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the big problem is that japan is a highly dense country and lots of people were affected | 19:45 |
| tehdely | tons. and they will continue to be | 19:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the main victims of chernobyl were the cleanup crews | 19:45 |
| tehdely | that is a lie | 19:45 |
| tehdely | the main victims of chernobyl are the children of belarus | 19:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but in terms of actual radioactive output chernobyl was waaaaay worse | 19:45 |
| tehdely | who have been dealing with heart problems | 19:45 |
| tehdely | and GI probles | 19:45 |
| tehdely | and birth defects | 19:45 |
| tehdely | for 20 years now | 19:45 |
| gabriel9 | what about that vaccine for cancer | 19:45 |
| tehdely | itsnotabigtruck: i don't see how you can make that claim, seeing as fuku ejected the contents of two whole reactors right into the air | 19:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which probably can't be definitively assigned to chernobyl | 19:46 |
| gabriel9 | i dont know but in Faludza Irak, there is no more babies | 19:46 |
| tehdely | itsnotabigtruck: what the else coudl it be assigned to? the health of belarus took a sharp dive after the accident and never recovered | 19:46 |
| gabriel9 | every one is sick on childbirth | 19:46 |
| tehdely | were all those people just "stressed out"? that's what the nuke industry says | 19:46 |
| tehdely | gabriel9: yeah and that's just from depleted uranium + white phosphorys | 19:46 |
| tehdely | now imagine the entire inventory of a few reactors + spent fuel pools deposited over a landscape | 19:47 |
| gabriel9 | thats the worst part | 19:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, it could have had something to do with the post-soviet era | 19:47 |
| gabriel9 | we take to easy nuclear power | 19:47 |
| tehdely | itsnotabigtruck: post-soviet era began in 1991 | 19:47 |
| tehdely | belarus health declined in 1986 | 19:47 |
| tehdely | there's a clear demarcation in nearly every measure of health | 19:47 |
| tehdely | and the country has never recovered, whereas other post-soviet countries have | 19:47 |
| tehdely | the accident is clearly responsible. but we don't want to blieve such things because there's still this idea that nuclear power is this cheap savior of a green future | 19:47 |
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| tehdely | so we want to bleieve in it | 19:47 |
| tehdely | because nobody likes burning coal... | 19:48 |
| gabriel9 | i agree | 19:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because it could be...the problem is the capital costs of nuclear plants | 19:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if we don't have nuclear, then we're burning fossil fuels | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | the cores of fuku still in containments, or below. Will get worse if they eventually hit ground water | 19:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you know what all the anti-nuclear campaigners got us over the past 50 years? | 19:48 |
| tehdely | DocScrutinizer: the cores of reactors 1+3 were substnatially ejected | 19:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | coal plants, and natural gas plants | 19:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and lots of them | 19:48 |
| tehdely | NRC memos reveal fuel parts all over the site | 19:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | huge co2 output | 19:48 |
| tehdely | tepco had to bury large chunks of core materials onsite | 19:48 |
| tehdely | those weren't just "hydrogen explosions" | 19:48 |
| tehdely | all the info is out now | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | tehdely: nah | 19:49 |
| tehdely | but the disinformation from the week after the accident is what most people remembmer | 19:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so would you rather invest in better nuclear technology, or would you like to put energy back in the stone age and keep burning stuff and exaggerating global warming | 19:49 |
| tehdely | frankly, i don't think we have a good handle on "nuclear technology". i think nuclear power is a scam to sell reactors, and generate plutonium for weapons programs | 19:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | gotta run, later! | 19:49 |
| tehdely | it is the most expensive form of power generation, we don't know how to safely operate it | 19:49 |
| gabriel9 | we need new power sources | 19:50 |
| tehdely | it's not compatible with the human race | 19:50 |
| SpeedEvil | You're arguing about 50 year old technology. | 19:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Newer reactors are _quite_ different. | 19:50 |
| tehdely | they always say that | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | yet I like to agree with tehdely | 19:50 |
| gabriel9 | did anyone watched ZeitGeist? They have some nice ideas | 19:50 |
| tehdely | but at the time of chernobyl, the RBMK was considered an "unusually safe" design | 19:50 |
| tehdely | and after chernobyl, everyone said that "that could never happen here for $REASON and $REASON" | 19:50 |
| SpeedEvil | tehdely: No, it wasn't. | 19:50 |
| tehdely | there will always be people to reassure... | 19:50 |
| SpeedEvil | tehdely: It had a positive void coefficient, and no secondary containment. | 19:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Only someone on crack would call that an unusually safe design. | 19:51 |
| tehdely | and look at fukushima... negative void coefficient | 19:51 |
| tehdely | but it still managed to eject its core | 19:51 |
| tehdely | that stuff's not at the bottom of the RPVs, i'm sorry | 19:51 |
| tehdely | it is in reactor 2 | 19:51 |
| tehdely | but not in 1+3 | 19:51 |
| SpeedEvil | If you don't manage the decay heat properly - sure. Modern reactors are designed to manage the decay heat properly for long periods without active managment | 19:52 |
| tehdely | by the time a reactor is paid off, it's past its useful life spana | 19:52 |
| tehdely | and then the extensions start... | 19:52 |
| tehdely | and assuming you actually do decommission it when you're supposed to, it's almost as expensive as it cost to build the thing | 19:52 |
| tehdely | and that's not even factoring in that nuclear operators don't have to carry insurance for the costs of an actual meltdown | 19:52 |
| tehdely | becuase the price woudl be so catastrophically high that you could never profitably generate pwoer | 19:52 |
| tehdely | not that you really can anyway... nuclear is a swindle | 19:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Anyway - quite off-topic - I'm not going into this here. | 19:53 |
| tehdely | just trying to spread awareness ;) | 19:53 |
| gabriel9 | it is a good talk :) I am glad to see that there is people who think about this problem :) | 19:54 |
| gabriel9 | we shall continue on this when we have nuclear power cells in our N9 :) | 19:54 |
| tehdely | anything is possible with qt | 19:55 |
| gabriel9 | i know | 19:55 |
| gabriel9 | see ya, i must go for climbing :) | 19:57 |
| tehdely | i was gonna go surf but it just rained heavily :/ | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | those idiot engineers in their hybris are not able to manage 30 years of safe operation of a nuclear power plant. So how will they manage to deposit nuklear waste in a way it keeps safe for 10^6 years? | 19:57 |
| tehdely | ^ thank you | 19:57 |
| tehdely | plus, the people responsible for regulating it invariably come from the very industry they regulate | 19:58 |
| tehdely | that model has done wonders with our food safety... | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 19:58 |
| tehdely | i would be in favor of nuclear if there were a good supply of incorruptible, honest people at all levels of government and industry | 19:58 |
| tehdely | every accident has been human error compounded on graft compounded on more error compounded on corruption compounded on lies | 19:59 |
| tehdely | and as long as we continue to be human, these things will continue to happen. better to accept that we're not a responsible enough species to split the atom | 19:59 |
| tehdely | and leave it to more qualified planets... | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | 10..30% of what man does are dangerous nonsense - always been. The difference though: leaving out the pyramids it's been only last 50 to 100 years man learnt to build dangerous nonsense BS that lasts significantly longer than a single man's lifespan | 20:01 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.biglolz.com/funny-pics/5438/ | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | and man has not yet learnt to deal with that fact and take responsibility | 20:01 |
| tehdely | we're not a very responsible species | 20:02 |
| tehdely | nor united enough to deal with the sort of planet-wide problems that we, as individuals, now create | 20:02 |
| tehdely | very interesting times coming up, for sure... | 20:02 |
| gabriel9 | dark times | 20:03 |
| gabriel9 | in my country every war was started with this kind of crysis | 20:03 |
| tehdely | are you in bih? | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | wars are very short term | 20:03 |
| gabriel9 | yes | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | DDT for example was an early case of long term bullshit | 20:03 |
| tehdely | yes people have a nasty habit of starting world wars in sarajevo ;) | 20:04 |
| gabriel9 | well when i say my country i say Serbia and Republic Serbska :) | 20:04 |
| gabriel9 | huh, that Gavrilo | 20:04 |
| tehdely | i wonder if he had any idea... | 20:04 |
| gabriel9 | i don't know was he right to do souch a thing | 20:04 |
| gabriel9 | you can't kill emperor only son | 20:05 |
| gabriel9 | you just don't do that | 20:05 |
| tehdely | yeah if your'e going to attack a royal family, you do it right... like the bolsheviks did to the romanovs | 20:05 |
| gabriel9 | and why in the seven suns he must be a Serb :/ | 20:05 |
| tehdely | you gotta get them all! :P | 20:05 |
| gabriel9 | no, they are like icons to their people | 20:05 |
| gabriel9 | if you touch them, you do harm to every living soul | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | WTF?! is http://www.biglolz.com/funny-pics/5438/ downloading a system update to my machine or what? | 20:06 |
| tehdely | gabriel9: i'm not big on icons myself, but i agree on the impact... | 20:06 |
| tehdely | it was a different time back then, too | 20:06 |
| gabriel9 | much different | 20:06 |
| tehdely | people believed in things bigger than their own nation | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | aborted loading at 34% after 120s of full DSL bandwidth blast | 20:07 |
| tehdely | even if you were not austrian, you might be loyal to the austrian emperor because he was your emperor... | 20:07 |
| gabriel9 | yes | 20:07 |
| gabriel9 | where are you from? | 20:07 |
| tehdely | i'm american | 20:07 |
| tehdely | half my family is slovenian | 20:07 |
| tehdely | hence the somewhat-familiarity | 20:07 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Video ads | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | crap! | 20:07 |
| gabriel9 | yes you are from this hell :) | 20:08 |
| gabriel9 | and you know bad things when you see them | 20:08 |
| tehdely | jeje | 20:09 |
| gabriel9 | one who gets burned on the milk, he blow in yogurt :D | 20:09 |
| gabriel9 | man i just wish to people stop doing stupid things | 20:09 |
| gabriel9 | every day i hear there will be war O_o | 20:10 |
| tehdely | i have no control over it | 20:10 |
| gabriel9 | who have ? :D | 20:10 |
| tehdely | my rule is to just try to be a good person and hope i've touched some peoples' lives in a good way | 20:10 |
| gabriel9 | me too, and bocouse of that i have no monney. I give it all :D | 20:11 |
| tehdely | i had that problem for a while, heh | 20:11 |
| gabriel9 | shit i have to go | 20:11 |
| tehdely | now today... i just want to eat | 20:11 |
| gabriel9 | i'm late | 20:11 |
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| tehdely | i think that is all i will get done today | 20:11 |
| tehdely | ciao gabriel | 20:11 |
| gabriel9 | here is some nice thingy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=870cSxoRVK8 | 20:11 |
| gabriel9 | ciao to all of you | 20:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | frals: sup | 20:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | btw anyone had notifications stucked that you can't clean them(twitter eg) | 20:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | gabriel9: ciao bambina =* | 20:14 |
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| Venemo | good morning | 21:07 |
| Venemo | djszapiN9, hi :) | 21:08 |
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| Venemo | is the N9 equally as snappy as the N950? | 21:37 |
| Tronic | Should be pretty much equal. | 21:41 |
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| tehdely | take N950, remove keyboard, add NFC | 21:45 |
| tehdely | there's your N9 | 21:45 |
| flux | tehdely, switch panel | 21:49 |
| tehdely | yeah, aluminum -> plastic | 21:49 |
| flux | no, I mean the LCD panel | 21:49 |
| tehdely | oh right | 21:49 |
| tehdely | that too | 21:49 |
| tehdely | i wonder if i wouldn't have been better off with an N950. problem is you can't just by one | 21:49 |
| tehdely | *buy | 21:49 |
| tehdely | but my N9 is such a fragile pretty thing, and i like to abuse my phones. i've had to be kinda delicate with it | 21:50 |
| tehdely | shouldn't have gotten the white one... | 21:50 |
| flux | second problem is that N950 isn't a complete product (but that's of course because they never sold it as such) | 21:50 |
| flux | tehdely, I've wondered, and I'm not the only one, perhaps you can satisfy my curiosity.. why do people get the white one?-) | 21:51 |
| tehdely | because it's beautiful | 21:51 |
| tehdely | but what i neglected to consider, was that the lacquer shell is more vulnerable to scratches and dings | 21:51 |
| ab | flux, my wife, for example, liked the white one. | 21:51 |
| tehdely | and mine already got a nice bite out of the corner | 21:51 |
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| flux | the surface seems so much nicer in the other colors, when you handle it | 21:52 |
| tehdely | well it's polished lacquer, not rough polycarbonate | 21:52 |
| tehdely | it feels like a work of art | 21:52 |
| tehdely | and i am vain | 21:52 |
| Venemo | mhm | 21:52 |
| Venemo | tehdely & flux :) | 21:52 |
| tehdely | i sorta wish i had gotten one of the other colors, though. because i wouldnt' be treating my phone so gingerly | 21:53 |
| tehdely | i've always beat the shit out of my symbian handsets | 21:53 |
| tehdely | my C6-01 was a rock | 21:53 |
| Venemo | tehdely, well, believe me, the N9 can take a lot more beating than the N950 | 21:53 |
| tehdely | interesting, i would've figured it was the oter way around | 21:53 |
| tehdely | what' sthe first thing to break on the N950? the keyboard hinge? | 21:53 |
| flux | I guess n950 is heavier, so impacts it gets are already higher due to that? | 21:54 |
| flux | (assuming impacts = mostly dropping) | 21:54 |
| Venemo | eg. my N950 fell one or two times, and the painting is coming off... | 21:54 |
| tehdely | oh cause it's painted aluminum... | 21:54 |
| tehdely | good point | 21:54 |
| Venemo | the hinge is pretty good, the weak point of the device is the screen | 21:55 |
| tehdely | it's gorilla glass, right? | 21:55 |
| Venemo | theoretically yes | 21:56 |
| Venemo | afaik | 21:56 |
| tehdely | i remember being kinda disappointed by the design | 21:56 |
| tehdely | it looks like an incomplete engineering prototype | 21:56 |
| tehdely | but i've heard some people say the N950 was actually wha tthe N9 was originally going to be | 21:57 |
| Venemo | however, I haven't heard about any other N950 fault, but the screen. eg. my original N950's screen went nuts. fortunately, Nokia sent me another one. | 21:57 |
| tehdely | i wish i had been a Nokia developer at the right time :/ | 21:57 |
| Venemo | tehdely, yeah, that's what I think too, but it's just a guess | 21:57 |
| tehdely | is there a way i can go back in time, pay my dues, and get a bunch of free stuff n' love from Nokia | 21:58 |
| Venemo | tehdely, you need to go back as far as 2007 or 2008, contribute to Maemo 4, then you could get a free N900 too | 21:58 |
| tehdely | heh | 21:58 |
| Venemo | I myself only joined the community in 2010 | 21:59 |
| tehdely | i'm not sure if i've joined the community yet | 21:59 |
| tehdely | but i bought the phone and i hang out in IRC | 21:59 |
| tehdely | and already have strong opinions about things i don't know much about | 21:59 |
| Venemo | for example? | 21:59 |
| tehdely | oh i was arguing with people about how Inception was the greatest thing since sliced bread | 21:59 |
| tehdely | and i'd been here for like | 21:59 |
| tehdely | 3 days | 21:59 |
| tehdely | i have since calmed! | 22:00 |
| Venemo | oh, do I see it right that you have the white one? | 22:00 |
| tehdely | yes | 22:00 |
| Venemo | me wants that too | 22:00 |
| tehdely | let me tell ya, it turns heads | 22:00 |
| tehdely | i have actually had people come up and want to fondle my phone | 22:00 |
| tehdely | plus it's kind of a mystery item in the US | 22:00 |
| Venemo | hehe, yeah | 22:03 |
| Venemo | I only have that black lumia, and even that turns heads too... :D | 22:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: sup man | 22:14 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop, hey, hey! I'm fine, thanks :) | 22:16 |
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| Venemo | tehdely, btw, where did you get that white N9? | 22:17 |
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| tehdely | found an importer in Fresno | 22:18 |
| tehdely | who had an amazon storefront | 22:18 |
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| tehdely | was going to have a friend in helsinki buy one at verkkokauppa and ship to me | 22:19 |
| tehdely | but it would've been crazy expensive | 22:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | to buy what? | 22:20 |
| tehdely | to buy an N9 and have it shipped here | 22:21 |
| tehdely | for one, it would've been almost impossible to get VAT back | 22:21 |
| tehdely | so tack on VAT + shipping and it would've run me ~$800 to get the phone | 22:21 |
| tehdely | whereas local guy sold it for $630 | 22:21 |
| ab | N9/64GB is 399EUR right now at Verkkokauppa | 22:22 |
| pa | again? | 22:22 |
| pa | cool | 22:22 |
| ab | yes | 22:22 |
| Venemo | wut? | 22:22 |
| tehdely | i assume that is before VAT | 22:22 |
| ab | no | 22:23 |
| pa | normally not | 22:23 |
| ab | end price, including 23% VAT | 22:23 |
| tehdely | wow | 22:23 |
| ab | http://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/26048/dccft/Nokia-N9-alypuhelin-64GB-musta | 22:23 |
| tehdely | that is quite a discount | 22:23 |
| Venemo | no, it's €540 http://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/26390/ddtsg/Nokia-N9-alypuhelin-64GB-valkoinen | 22:23 |
| Venemo | 530 | 22:23 |
| Venemo | sorry | 22:23 |
| tehdely | ah i forget though, i think the white one is at a premium | 22:23 |
| ab | yes, the cheapest one I've found besides Verkkokauppa is 498EUR at GSM Store | 22:23 |
| Venemo | aw, they're charging extra for the white? those bastards. | 22:23 |
| ab | I bought it there, including the white one, both were for 498 EUR | 22:23 |
| tehdely | wow | 22:24 |
| tehdely | i wish they shipped to US | 22:24 |
| tehdely | i would have bought from them | 22:24 |
| ab | next day the white one rose to 529 | 22:24 |
| Venemo | loll | 22:24 |
| ab | and the next day after that Verkkokauppa pushd the black one to 399 | 22:24 |
| ab | it was 598 at the time | 22:24 |
| tehdely | so what you're saying is i need to buy another white N9 ;) | 22:24 |
| tehdely | keep it as a spare | 22:24 |
| tehdely | for when this one dies lol | 22:25 |
| Venemo | lol | 22:25 |
| tehdely | i took out a policy on it actually | 22:25 |
| tehdely | from a US company | 22:25 |
| tehdely | if i break it they'll cut me a check for the price | 22:25 |
| Venemo | tehdely, btw, how well does the white one tolerate the beating you're givin it? | 22:25 |
| tehdely | but the q: is, will there be an N9 to buy in a few years? | 22:25 |
| tehdely | Venemo: well, it took a nice ding right by the headphone jack when i dropped it about 3' onto concrete | 22:25 |
| tehdely | other than that, well | 22:25 |
| ab | I think N9s are to be sold at least through this year | 22:25 |
| tehdely | i kinda baby it though | 22:25 |
| tehdely | i was thinking of repairing the ding like you would a ski, with some P-TEX | 22:26 |
| ab | as long as it gives Nokia a revenue and Salo factory is churning devices out before getting shut down | 22:26 |
| tehdely | but i'd probably screw it up | 22:26 |
| Venemo | tehdely, did the white one really have that awesome leather case instead of that crappy-looking silicone thing? | 22:26 |
| tehdely | yes | 22:26 |
| Venemo | awesome. | 22:26 |
| tehdely | and i keep it in the leather sleeve most of the time | 22:26 |
| ab | Venemo, yes, awesome | 22:26 |
| tehdely | i think tone of the reasons for the sleeve is it's a bit more delicate | 22:26 |
| tehdely | the white N9 is sort of "special" | 22:26 |
| Venemo | well, the silicone case is just ugly. | 22:26 |
| tehdely | some guy on engadget was fawning over it when it was released | 22:26 |
| tehdely | he called it a Rare Unicorn Beast | 22:26 |
| Venemo | I can tell that from the lumia | 22:27 |
| ab | Venemo, I even bought my wife a red Golla leather case to trade on the black one she's got with the white n9 | 22:27 |
| tehdely | http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/08/white-nokia-n9-hands-on-behold-the-last-unicorn-video/ | 22:27 |
| tehdely | see if you can get through the video | 22:27 |
| tehdely | i imagine his other hand is in his pants | 22:27 |
| Venemo | already seen it I think | 22:27 |
| Venemo | lol | 22:27 |
| tehdely | "the rarest of rarest of unicorn beasts" | 22:28 |
| Venemo | :D | 22:28 |
| ab | Venemo, those silicone cases... we were given them when developing N9 in order to hide the device when transporting. | 22:28 |
| ab | it is exactly same as at that time | 22:28 |
| tehdely | "white, piano lacquer N9... i'll let that sink in for a second" | 22:28 |
| tehdely | this guy is so effusive | 22:28 |
| ab | so you can consider yourself privvy to Nokia's development process :) | 22:29 |
| Venemo | ab, well, I still think it looks ugly, sorry. | 22:29 |
| Venemo | tehdely :D | 22:29 |
| ab | Venemo, that was the point! | 22:29 |
| tehdely | ab i believe we are all privy to Nokia's development process | 22:29 |
| tehdely | i think that's the agreement you sign when you buy a Maemo or MeeGo phone | 22:29 |
| tehdely | "hello, you are now a guinea pig" | 22:29 |
| tehdely | "enjoy the ride!' | 22:29 |
| Venemo | ab, I'm already privvy to Nokia's development process, considering my N950 :) | 22:29 |
| * tehdely enjoys | 22:29 | |
| ab | Venemo, that's far from being privvy ;) | 22:31 |
| Venemo | ab, wut? N950 is not privvy? | 22:31 |
| ab | that's just a sign of being "selected" | 22:31 |
| beford | n9 white looks awesome | 22:31 |
| beford | :C | 22:31 |
| ab | Privvy ones have N9s with their name painted on them | 22:31 |
| ab | originally we were promised to even have position painted | 22:32 |
| Venemo | ab, btw, that awful silicone thing came with my Lumia too, it's dislike at first sight. I don't yet have the N9 though. I'll need a few hundred more downloads for my app before I can :) | 22:32 |
| beford | nokia gives free devices for free apps? | 22:32 |
| Venemo | umm, nope | 22:32 |
| ab | Venemo, you now can see that Elop ripped Harmattan development absolutely, even awful cases were ripped off :) | 22:32 |
| beford | xD | 22:32 |
| Venemo | beford, it's set to the lowest possible price :) | 22:33 |
| beford | oh yea | 22:33 |
| Venemo | ab, indeed. | 22:33 |
| beford | I finally reached 100 eu this month :D | 22:33 |
| Venemo | ab, so, do I get it right that you are/were in the Harmattan team? | 22:33 |
| ab | Venemo, yes, and N900 as well. | 22:34 |
| Venemo | ab, thanks for all the good work :) | 22:34 |
| ab | I left a day before official release which allowed Nokia to avoid giving me any kind of bonus and a spare N9 ;) | 22:34 |
| Venemo | ab, why did you leave? | 22:35 |
| ab | but my work finally went out with PR1.2 | 22:35 |
| Venemo | oh, that late? | 22:35 |
| ab | Venemo, that's what you get as an architect | 22:35 |
| Venemo | ab, what were you working on? | 22:35 |
| ab | when people work on releases, you work on releases+2 | 22:35 |
| ab | Venemo, Camera, Gallery, all media stuff | 22:36 |
| ab | and Sharing | 22:36 |
| ab | and Feed Reader | 22:36 |
| Venemo | ab, awesome work | 22:36 |
| tehdely | kinda curious | 22:36 |
| tehdely | i know a lot of people who worked on HARM have left | 22:37 |
| tehdely | where have people been going to? | 22:37 |
| tehdely | i hear there's a lot of startups in finland now with ex-nokia talent | 22:37 |
| ab | that's also happened | 22:37 |
| tehdely | time to meditate... | 22:39 |
| * tehdely & | 22:39 | |
| ab | :) | 22:39 |
| Venemo | :) | 22:39 |
| ab | Nokia also built a project to spin a lot of startups | 22:40 |
| Venemo | so anyway, is the material of the white N9 any worse than the other variants? | 22:40 |
| ab | if you come with an idea and a business plan, you'll get small investment from them, several 10Ks | 22:40 |
| phako | ab: IIRC there are people who left after the launch who also didn't get one | 22:40 |
| ab | phako, I had to be there by September 2011 in order to get one | 22:41 |
| phako | bah | 22:41 |
| ab | regarding startups, it all was summed up in a single paragraph here: http://press.nokia.com/2011/06/22/nokia-renews-mission-for-mobile-and-location-based-services-appoints-michael-halbherr-executive-vice-president/ | 22:43 |
| ab | second to end before "About Nokia" | 22:44 |
| luke-jr | ab: is "handheld computer to succeed the N810/N900" count as an idea and a business plan? | 22:44 |
| ab | luke-jr, lol. | 22:44 |
| phako | well it doesn't interfere with nokia's business plan *g* | 22:44 |
| luke-jr | N9 is a complete joke | 22:44 |
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| Venemo | luke-jr, joke? why do you think so? | 22:47 |
| luke-jr | Venemo: capacitive ts, no keyboard | 22:47 |
| luke-jr | are the big flaws | 22:48 |
| luke-jr | also that DRM crap | 22:48 |
| Venemo | well, after getting used to capacitive, I'd never go back to the resistive screen | 22:48 |
| luke-jr | how's the stylus resolution? | 22:48 |
| Venemo | honestly, I never really liked the stylus. anyway, this is a subjective thing which isn't worth arguing about | 22:50 |
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| ZogG_laptop | for phone it's enuf finger | 22:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | why would you want exact pixels? | 22:58 |
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| Sazpaimon | so if I rm -rf /home/user/.cache/tracker/ does that completely kill my messages and stuff? | 23:41 |
| Sazpaimon | because my messages and call log are empty, and for some reason, my gtalk and skype contacts arent being added to my contacts list | 23:42 |
| Venemo | Sazpaimon, yes, and contacts too | 23:44 |
| Venemo | I did that once, all my contacts were gone | 23:44 |
| Sazpaimon | why call it cache? | 23:44 |
| Sazpaimon | if its actually, you know | 23:44 |
| Sazpaimon | important | 23:45 |
| Venemo | hm? | 23:45 |
| ajalkane | cultural differences? | 23:45 |
| Sazpaimon | cache implies volitile data | 23:45 |
| Sazpaimon | no | 23:45 |
| Sazpaimon | a cache is almost always temporary data | 23:45 |
| Sazpaimon | in fact, i'd say *always* | 23:45 |
| Sazpaimon | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cache_%28computing%29 | 23:45 |
| ajalkane | In some cultures "cache" means a storage of "finder's keepers" | 23:46 |
| ajalkane | ie. you left it there, I can take it if I find it | 23:46 |
| pa | it should be called database, rahter | 23:46 |
| Sazpaimon | no, that's what cache means | 23:46 |
| Sazpaimon | in the real world | 23:46 |
| Sazpaimon | but in computing, a cache is temporary storage of data for easier access | 23:47 |
| Sazpaimon | which, yes, seems strange that the same world means pretty different things | 23:47 |
| Corsac | well, the real problem is that tracker is used to store data | 23:47 |
| Corsac | and not just indexing | 23:47 |
| ajalkane | But Nokia employs people from several different countries and cultures. SOme of them do not live in the computer world, but in real world. And they might find "cache" and appropriate name for "finder's keepers" | 23:48 |
| ajalkane | I'm not arguing it's the correct interpretation. Because my judgement might be biased because I'm mainly a creature of computer world. | 23:49 |
| Venemo | ajalkane, that's one of the most ridiculous things I've heard in my life | 23:49 |
| Sazpaimon | i'm sorry but, if the term cache has been used in computing for decades, without such a problem like this | 23:49 |
| Sazpaimon | and nokia is the first company ever | 23:49 |
| Sazpaimon | in the history of companies | 23:49 |
| Sazpaimon | in the history of programming | 23:49 |
| Sazpaimon | in the history of the world | 23:49 |
| Sazpaimon | to get it wrong | 23:49 |
| Sazpaimon | uh | 23:49 |
| ajalkane | Venemo: I know... took me a while to craft such a ridiculous explanation. | 23:49 |
| Sazpaimon | no, it doesnt make any sense, if I clear the cache directory, tracker should rebuild it | 23:50 |
| Sazpaimon | i also checked my tracker-miner-fs.log file | 23:50 |
| Sazpaimon | i see a lot of | 23:50 |
| Sazpaimon | "24 Mar 2012, 13:42:38: Tracker-Critical **: Could not execute sparql: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus) | 23:50 |
| Sazpaimon | " | 23:50 |
| ajalkane | I have a lingering feeling the platform didn't expect users to drop into shell and firebomb the .cache directory with their "rm -rf" missiles | 23:51 |
| Sazpaimon | then they shouldnt call it a cache | 23:52 |
| ajalkane | Anyway... weird wording to choose for storing such critical data | 23:52 |
| ajalkane | Kind of like putting it into /tmp | 23:52 |
| MohammadAG | if anyone feels like changing the wallpaper of the lockscreen through gconf | 23:54 |
| MohammadAG | gconftool-2 -s /desktop/meego/background/portrait/picture_filena | 23:54 |
| MohammadAG | me -t string | 23:54 |
| MohammadAG | gconftool-2 -s /desktop/meego/background/portrait/picture_filename -t string /path/to/file | 23:54 |
| MohammadAG | if it's documented somewhere, well, I wasted 5 mins | 23:54 |
| ajalkane | Does it mean I have too little alcohol when I'm licking spilled red wine from the table? | 23:56 |
| Venemo | ajalkane, nope. it means you had too much | 23:56 |
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| ajalkane | Okay... all's well then. | 23:57 |
| MohammadAG | are the widget galleries available as debs? | 23:59 |
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