IRC log of #harmattan for Wednesday, 2012-03-21

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Guest64870hi, i've totally screwed up the software on my nokia n9. the device tells me to update it with the nokia software updater... but i am on linux and afaik the nokia software updater is win/mac only... what is the easiest way to restore my device?01:15
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Guest64870whenever i power the device on it says: "Device not working properly, Try updating the device software with Nokia Software Updater. If the problem persists, contact the neaerst Nokia Care point. Security problem (upstart): /etc/init.conf integrity failure"01:16
gabriel9reflash it01:17
gabriel9you can find tutorial on talk.maemo.org01:17
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Guest64870gabriel9: will that void the warranty?01:36
Guest64870or is that only if i would flash the open mode kernel?01:36
gabriel9you can find your firmware01:39
gabriel9and the use it01:39
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gabriel9i think it will not void warranty01:39
teleshoesflashing doesnt void your warranty01:39
teleshoesflashing the openmode kernel DOES void your warranty, like you say01:40
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luke-jrteleshoes: no, it doesn't.01:47
teleshoesnokia claims that it does; this is different than saying that a warranty claim will fail01:48
luke-jrteleshoes: if they refuse to honour it on that basis, you can sue them and win.01:48
teleshoesthere are plenty of places where it is illegal to deny a hardware repair warranty claim based on software changes01:49
teleshoesthere are also plenty of places where it is not illegal to do so01:49
teleshoesthe warranty nokia provides is void under whatever terms nokia specifies01:50
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teleshoesflashing an openkernel is against the terms of nokia's warranty, and gives you a big scary warning saying its permanently void01:52
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AndrewX192Any ideas on having two network connections on the N9 at once? (eg wifi AND 3G?)03:53
AndrewX192I need to use up the rest of my dataplan before I switch SIM cards, and I figured - why not upload part of  this server image (multiple GB), but I'd rather not have to copy it to the device first03:53
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bef0rdhi ha ho06:54
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AndrewX192Sigh, I know I shouldn't have put my new SIM card in the N90006:57
AndrewX192Now I'm using it more than the N906:57
Enforcermy sim doesnt fit in the n900 anymore06:57
AndrewX192I haven't got the new one trimmed yet06:58
AndrewX192Currently I have 2 devices with 2 phone numbers06:58
bef0rdsame here07:02
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psycho_oreosIs it just me or does nokia not provide flashing harmattan under linux with tarballs? The readme on the website stated it comes out in both Debian as well as tarballs but I have not seen the tarballs for the flasher tool for harmattan.08:20
itsnotabigtruckpsycho_oreos: debs only08:22
itsnotabigtruckyou could extract the deb though08:22
itsnotabigtruckusing ar (from binutils) and tar08:22
itsnotabigtruckor just use debian because it's better :p08:22
psycho_oreosheh I thought so, debs only. Debian maybe superior in some ways that I won't deny but there are cases where I won't agree :)08:23
psycho_oreosThanks for your input08:23
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psycho_oreosheh no dice with either ar or tar tool, luckily there's dpkg package in the archive for my distro08:28
itsnotabigtruckpsycho_oreos: a deb is an ar archive with some tar archives inside08:29
itsnotabigtrucki think you want something like08:29
itsnotabigtruckar x package.deb data.tar.gz08:29
itsnotabigtrucktar xvf data.tar.gz08:29
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psycho_oreos`ar t' doesn't work yet `ar x' works ._.08:32
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tbfseems is down?10:06
phakotbf: it's usually in the morning10:07
tbfphako: odd.10:07
phakomaybe it breaks down during the night and the guy that turns the machine on again just gets up at ~10 CET ;)10:09
gabriel9|workthis morning it was OK10:14
gabriel9|workand that was one hour ago10:14
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MohammadAGIt's Up again12:47
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xmlich02i am trying to compile qml application in scratchbox. I found, that the PKGCONFIG += meegotouch-boostable is not enough it is necessary to add also PKGCONFIG += qdeclarative-boostable (i wonder, why are there two so similar packages)15:40
jonniother api was renamed and depraceted.15:44
Sazpaimonrzr, are you around?15:45
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RST38hMeanwhile: HP finally decides the future of the PC: It's a printer accessory16:52
KhertanRST38h: hum ... so they plan to release a new device : the tablet 10" injekt scanner fax copy printer16:54
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RST38hKhertan: I think they are not THAT inventive17:02
RST38hKhertan: Just going to bundle their PCs with their printers, for free =)17:02
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KhertanRST38h: hum ... printer are already almost free ... they will have two option ... more expensive cardridge or ... sell drivers :)17:13
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RST38hKhertan: They will use expendable RAM and charge you for RAM replacement every 3 months17:16
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pado you think it's possible to use FCam to stream over usb?17:30
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MohammadAGsuppose I have tar.gz and .dsc files with no .changes file17:57
MohammadAGcan I make a repo?17:57
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Jeffrey04does anyone know how n9 automatically merge twitter contacts?18:11
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teleshoesanybody know how to get email not to reprompt for password while using the openkernel?19:17
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franz`does harmattan have an equivalent of /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu, for .desktop files?19:27
teleshoesi forget what that is19:27
franz` seems it isn't available for developers officially, but surely the status menu is loading what it has from somewhere19:28
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franz`oh, /usr/share/meegotouch/applicationextensions, found it19:32
teleshoeswhoa thanks19:32
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RST38hMeanwhile: The Supreme Court issued a unanimous opinion yesterday holding that 'to transform an unpatentable law of nature into a patent-eligible application of such a law, a patent must do more than simply state the law of nature while adding the words "apply it."19:41
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SpeedEvilNow if they'd only hold that a patent must be novel and unobvious.19:45
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rhkfinAnyone have a clue: a friend of mine has N9 and his calendar is somehow broken, complaining something about not enough space or similar. How does one handle the .calendar folder? It's owned by user calendar, can't access it with devel-su21:32
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Saviqhey there, trying to find a way to play videos over UPnP on the N9, any pointers?21:38
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teleshoesso i was poking around here for an SMS backup/restore program awhile back21:40
teleshoeswwwjfy just made a perfect one21:40
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teleshoesfast, command line, human readable exports/imports21:41
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* RST38h moos at javispedro21:43
javispedroRST38h: sadly, it seems that the battery life on the galaxy note is .. deceiving21:49
RST38hjavispedro: it should do obligatory 12 hours21:50
RST38hThe battery there is huge21:50
RST38hbut no, it is obviously no nokia, so do not expect it to have decent battery life =)21:51
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javispedroseems that in full use it is even worse than n950, according to a fellow it does not even reach 3h21:52
RST38hnooo waaay21:52
RST38hn950 does two days here21:52
javispedrofull use, i.e. gaming, gps21:53
RST38hgaming = 5hrs21:53
javispedrothat is what I get more or less with the n95021:53
RST38hbut, I mean, don't we already know that based on n900?21:53
javispedrotbh I didn't know samsung had a problem with battery lifes =)21:54
RST38hAndroid phones all have this problem21:54
RST38hComes from higher-specced hardware, unoptimized Linux kernels, and power-hungry apps21:55
RST38hNote is really no different than the rest21:55
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DocScrutinizerthe result of relying on wakelocks rather than proper apps that don't spin idle21:55
RST38hYou are just coming from a system that uses low-specced SoC with highly optimized platform21:55
RST38hBTW, the AT&T Note (SGH-I717) looks better than the normal one (I70xx)21:56
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javispedrooh, this reminds me of something funny21:56
RST38hSGH has got four normal Android buttons. I70xx only got one ugly rectangular button a la iPhone21:56
javispedrowhen samsung launches several variants under the same name => fragmentation, sky falls21:57
javispedrowhen apple decides to so with the ipad => drooling all over the place21:57
javispedro*to do so21:57
GeneralAntillesApple is Magic21:58
RST38hturns people into fruits and vegetables, indeed21:58
RST38halso, apple's trick is not fragmentation, they are simply gonna make the previous model obsolete, forcing the faithful to shell out for the new one21:58
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javispedro(nothing of interest or new, though)22:00
RST38hjavispedro: Russians claim the Note may eat up to 0.5A from its battery22:01
javispedroRST38h: seems small22:02
javispedrothis guy actually said that 2 hours and a half :P22:02
RST38hjavispedro: I doubt him22:03
RST38hjavispedro: Probably more like 3-5hrs22:03
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RST38hjavispedro: I am reading an extremely elaborate Note FAQ on 4PDA. Will let you know of anything specific in a moment.22:05
javispedrohave to leave for an hour though now22:05
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GeneralAntillesI wish Apple hadn't been corrupted by the hipsters.22:06
GeneralAntillesDamn them.22:06
RST38h9:36 when playing video22:07
RST38hGeneral, Apple *ARE* the hipsters22:07
RST38hThe original ones22:08
GeneralAntillesTo a certain extent22:08
GeneralAntillesBut the old Apple at least used to help people do productive things.22:09
GeneralAntillesNot just sell them music videos and fashion accessories.22:09
RST38hwell, the concept has changed22:09
rigoRST38h, do you have a link for the Subpreme Court argument? This really seems to be a shift22:10
RST38hSubprime Court - nice.22:10
rigothanks, found it, via /.22:11
GeneralAntillesSCOTUS argument?22:12
* GeneralAntilles too lazy to check scrollback.22:13
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rigowith a link to the PDF22:21
rigothe PDF is better than reading the usual troll-sink22:21
GeneralAntillesThat's two unanimous decisions in tow days.22:21
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RST38hjavispedro: 9+ hours of video playback22:56
RST38hjavispedro: 2.5 days of usage22:56
RST38hthese are numbers for the N7000 model, reported by real users22:56
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javispedrostupid qt creator correctly aligns continuations lines using spaces (as I configured it to), then dutilty proceeds to replace the spaces with tabs when saving the file (STUPID)23:22
DocScrutinizernice catch23:23
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MohammadAGhave fun23:26
MohammadAGdeb-src harmattan-1.2 free23:27
javispedrolol, I had the same idea ( )23:27
javispedroin any case, I prefer YOU paying the bandwidth >:)23:27
MohammadAGI don't think there's a bandwidth limit23:28
teleshoesMohammadAG whoa thanks23:28
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DocScrutinizerwhich flavour?23:29
MohammadAGteleshoes, you're the guy who wanted the libc6 sources right?23:29
MohammadAGm7 is there23:29
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, PR1.223:29
DocScrutinizerthe new or the old one?23:29
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, new afaik23:29
DocScrutinizeryou're aware of the two versions on my server?23:30
DocScrutinizeranyway, I'm out - dinner due23:31
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, nope23:34
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itsnotabigtrucknow what we need is binary packages of all that stuff23:42
itsnotabigtruckit would be cool to have a repo with binary (normal and -dev) packages of everything in the sources release23:42
itsnotabigtruckbuilding it would take forever though23:42
teleshoesbins would be nice23:43
itsnotabigtruckit would be nicer if nokia would just release those though (which they already have) :( along with the up-to-date nokia-binaries stuff too23:43
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MohammadAG<itsnotabigtruck> now what we need is binary packages of all that stuff23:47
MohammadAG<itsnotabigtruck> it would be cool to have a repo with binary (normal and -dev) packages of everything in the sources release23:47
MohammadAGmake me a script and I'll have that ready at some point :P23:47
MohammadAGgot a quad core i5 at home doing nothing23:48
itsnotabigtruckMohammadAG: heh23:48
MohammadAGno seriously23:48
MohammadAGI'll build them and upload, net's fast on that server23:48
rm_workthere needs to be a way to connect people who have time and motivation to do this stuff, but don't have the resources, with people who have vast computing resources but no time23:49
itsnotabigtruckthe main problem is sequencing, how to re-arrange the builds so that everything is built against pr1.2 packages23:49
itsnotabigtruckthat won't be possible for open source packages that depend on closed source 1.2 packages23:49
MohammadAGwell, easy23:49
itsnotabigtruckbut it is possible for open source packages that depend on other os 1.2 packages23:49
rm_workI have basically unlimited storage space / bandwidth on a 100Mbit connection... and a quad-core i5 that sits idle 99% of the time23:50
MohammadAGbuild all packages, install them, then rebuild them again :P23:50
rm_workbut no time to deal with the stuff23:50
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MohammadAGrm_work, a script can deal with them23:50
rm_workI finally got packrat updates scripted...23:50
MohammadAGbasically it needs to apt-get every package23:50
MohammadAGenter the working directory23:50
MohammadAGrun dpkg-buildpackage -b -us -uc23:51
rm_workwhich is why it is (hopefully) actually stable/updated now23:51
MohammadAGexit working directory23:51
rm_workalthough if the wiki changed, my script may have broken23:51
MohammadAGrm -rf working directory, go to next package23:51
infobotfrom memory, packrat is a cute little rodent that keeps everything it finds.
MohammadAGitsnotabigtruck, think you can do that?23:51
itsnotabigtruckMohammadAG: that can probably be arranged23:52
MohammadAGhave it ready by Friday :P23:52
MohammadAGI was being serious with a smiley face :P23:52
itsnotabigtruckthe two pass build won't work if any of the 1.2 sources depend on the 1.2 versions of other packages23:52
MohammadAGif it fails go to next packages23:52
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javispedroyou know, a idling quad core i5 is not necessarily a bad thing...23:53
javispedroidle consumption is pretty low on these things these days ;P23:53
MohammadAGit's off for me :p23:53
MohammadAGUbuntu got borked on it23:53
rm_workmy power bill is stupid anyways, some more building on my PC won't even dent it23:53
javispedrosave the planet! install ubuntu!23:54
MohammadAGnot really, PM probably sucks on ubuntu23:54
MohammadAGanother day another sony console gets hacked23:54
javispedroit'll bork your computer and then you'll have to switch it off23:54
rm_workMohammadAG: what is it this time? I haven't been paying attention23:54
rm_workGeneralAntilles: how goes it23:54
MohammadAGrm_work, PS Vita kernel hack23:55
rm_workheh nice23:55
GeneralAntillesrm_work, tired.23:55
rm_workGeneralAntilles: same23:55
rm_workI like to actually poke people here once every month or three just to see if they're still around23:55
rm_worka surprising number are :P23:55
rm_workHow active are you here these days?23:55
javispedrohard for Elop to get rid of the Maemo scum, seems23:56
rm_workwe hang in there23:56
rm_workthough not doing a whole lot these days AFAICT23:56
rm_workmaybe i'm missing the major innovation <_<23:56
GeneralAntillesI don't do shit.23:56
itsnotabigtruckso i guess the build dependencies need to be looked up and all the open source packages toposorted23:56
rm_workbut it looks like they killed 99% of the motivation by completely killing our devices in the market <_<23:56
itsnotabigtruckwith packages that aren't in the source repo dropped23:56
* javispedro suggest dumping them all in the OBS23:57
GeneralAntillesThis window is always up here, and I occasionally pay attention, but nothing actually productive.23:57
GeneralAntillesWell, excepting mwkn.net23:57
rm_workGeneralAntilles: heh yeah. so basically what i do23:57
rm_workwell, that's more23:57
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GeneralAntillesBut that's 60% Jaffa, 40% fiferboy and about 10% me these days. *g*23:57
rm_worki can't believe there still *is* a Maemo Council23:57
GeneralAntilless/Maemo Council/Maemo Community Council/23:57
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rm_worki was being lazy <_<23:58
GeneralAntillesDespite SD69's best efforts to make it as confusing as possible they don not own the brand.23:58
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rm_workI think i missed something :P23:59
GeneralAntillesGoddamn the wiki is slow today.23:59
GeneralAntillesWell, he's on that page23:59
javispedrofunny that the last council member alive is still pretty much unknown :)23:59
GeneralAntillesRM Bauer23:59
rm_workthat bastard23:59
GeneralAntillesWell, not unknown, but mostly a Talk person.23:59

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