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| gabriel9 | evening | 00:05 |
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| gabriel9 | my god this Prometheus movie will be great | 00:05 |
| ajalkane | Ridley Scott can not fail us in sci-fi context. No, he can't. | 00:06 |
| ajalkane | He'd like to. But he's unable to. | 00:06 |
| ajalkane | Call it his weakness. | 00:06 |
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| ajalkane | I bet he hates all the sci-fi nerds clamoring over his movies. And he'd like to create a total flop of a sci-fi movie. | 00:06 |
| ajalkane | Poor guy. He can't. | 00:07 |
| gabriel9 | :D | 00:16 |
| gabriel9 | well this is not alien | 00:16 |
| gabriel9 | it is from the same universe | 00:16 |
| gabriel9 | but i think this will be better | 00:16 |
| ajalkane | Better than Alien and Bladerunner? | 00:16 |
| gabriel9 | the whole mith about prometheus is great | 00:16 |
| gabriel9 | well better then Alien, but not better then Bladerunner | 00:17 |
| gabriel9 | :) | 00:17 |
| gabriel9 | i always wodner who create that ship(from Alien 1) | 00:17 |
| ajalkane | well, H.R Giger... your answer is here: http://alienexplorations.blogspot.com/2010/03/design-of-derelict-gigers-work.html | 00:21 |
| gabriel9 | nice read | 00:23 |
| gabriel9 | i did not watch good sf fopr ages | 00:25 |
| ajalkane | there's not a whole lot of good sf besides books | 00:25 |
| ajalkane | because it has to be, like, be explosions and action and stuff. Which kinda misses the point what makes sf interesting. | 00:26 |
| gabriel9 | i agree | 00:31 |
| gabriel9 | there is just to much hollywod in movies thease days | 00:31 |
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| gabriel9 | sorry for bad Eng, i am working on it | 00:32 |
| gabriel9 | :) | 00:32 |
| gabriel9 | this one is not bad | 00:33 |
| gabriel9 | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1188729/ | 00:33 |
| gabriel9 | well not so bad, it can be watched | 00:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ajalkane: ping | 00:36 |
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| jpwhiting | hey all, is there a way to check power usage on N9? | 00:59 |
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| ieatlint | systeminfo app will tell you the current usage | 01:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jpwhiting: nokia energy profiler? | 01:02 |
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| jpwhiting | yep, trying that one now | 01:02 |
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| jpwhiting | itsnotabigtruck: can I get a total power used per second or something from nokia energy profiler? | 01:03 |
| ieatlint | energy profiler won't give specific info, and some in this channel will talk extensively about how inaccurate it is | 01:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hrm | 01:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i haven't actually tried EP yet | 01:03 |
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| ieatlint | as i understand, it's based solely on measuring the number of cpu interrupts an application causes | 01:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 01:04 |
| ieatlint | and then weighs it against other apps and the system services to determine a percentage of the power used by each item | 01:05 |
| ieatlint | but i'm not too clear on it myself :P | 01:05 |
| ieatlint | either way, i know it won't simply tell you that your app uses X mwh or anything | 01:05 |
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| ieatlint | you can get a reading for how much power the whole system is drawing from the battery though.. so you can make reasonable guesses to that by comparing the system power usage with your app on vs idle | 01:08 |
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| jpwhiting | ieatlint: well, I'd like to compare my app in active mode vs my app in idle mode | 01:09 |
| jpwhiting | with numbers to prove that it's using less energy in idle mode | 01:09 |
| ieatlint | there'll always be a bit of guess work in that | 01:10 |
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| jpwhiting | ieatlint: is there a way to get numbers from EP? | 01:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | Energy profiler is pretty good in general | 01:26 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 01:27 |
| SpeedEvil | complete bme* from shell | 01:27 |
| SpeedEvil | bme-datalogger - IIRC - is a quite nice shell program. | 01:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Pretty awesome really | 01:27 |
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| bradfo | anyway to sideload any of the card reader payment apps | 08:44 |
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| liar | hi, i have an issue with my n9: i can't install any software (aegis rejecting -- signature check failed) altough i've disabled all third party repositories, has anybody an idea what i could do? | 10:22 |
| liar | for example it fails to install devtools-tracing | 10:23 |
| liar | if i do a device reset will that delete my data in MyDocs? | 10:29 |
| jonni | what pr are you running and have you managed to install anything in that pr before? | 10:33 |
| jonni | and have you installed any sw from 3rd party repoes? | 10:34 |
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| liar | jonni: PR1.2, and i've got vim installed from the rzr repository and one extra deb package (vgb) | 10:57 |
| liar | i also cannot install fennec from the store... | 10:57 |
| liar | jonni: and i've managed to install things before (some things from the store) | 10:59 |
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| Khertan | Morning | 11:02 |
| liar | i've got to reboot my computer, brb | 11:02 |
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| liar | jonni: any ideas? | 11:12 |
| jonni | liar: most likely you have broken your system with rzr repo and you need to reflash the whole system.... or you can do it on the hard way and fix it from commandline | 11:13 |
| liar | jonni: yeah i'd like to try the command line way but i don't know whats wrong so i don't know where to start... | 11:14 |
| jonni | and are you sure that it fails because signature check fail, and not because origin cannot be determined -- signature check failed error | 11:14 |
| jonni | well running dpkg is pretty informative, like dpkg -f install, apt-get update, apt-get install devtools-tracing, etc | 11:16 |
| liar | yes it's the origin cannot be determined one | 11:16 |
| jonni | which basicly means that rzr package didnt manage to install all its depencies, and you need first to fix them in order to continue | 11:17 |
| jonni | tmo forums has multiple threads about that | 11:17 |
| liar | and if i end up resetting my device, will that delete everything in MyDocs? | 11:19 |
| jonni | dont know what you mean by resetting, erase-user-data vs erase-mmc vs flash firmware vs flash emmc vs restting from UI? | 11:20 |
| jonni | erase-mmc and flashing emmc will delete everything in MyDocs. | 11:20 |
| liar | ah i didn't know there are different reset methods... | 11:21 |
| jonni | and flashing firmware wont, unless you paste special flags to flasher | 11:21 |
| liar | hm ok, thanks for the help | 11:27 |
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| jonni | but anyways everything is fixable by commandline, but if your not familiar with dpkg, then flashing is just easier. In my viewpoint rzr repo and all other 3rd party repoes should have big font 76 warning texts that do not add repo unless you are familiar with dpkg and are able to recover from any issue that you will get. | 11:31 |
| jonni | as if your not familiar with inner workings of dpkg&aegis combination, then its quite common to end up in the situation where you need to reflash your device. | 11:32 |
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| xmlich02 | I have problem with device storage and do not know how to fix it. When i use Settings - Device - Data storage - it reports Application data not available in mass storage mode. It happens when is device disconnected. | 14:23 |
| jonni | settings,accessories,usb you can manually just change the mode to sdk/sync and connect yourself | 14:26 |
| rdnzl | qml noob asks: when application is closed by swiping it down - is there an event i can use to do some cleanup? | 14:29 |
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| xmlich02 | i don't know why is not the /dev/mmcblk0p3 /home mounted. Anyone knows what can i do? | 14:46 |
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| jonni | reboot is always the 1st thing to try, and if you happen to have mount capas then you can try to mount it yourself. and if nothing else works then reflash emmc. | 14:58 |
| jonni | although mass storage is mmcblk0p1, so if you have p3 screwed then it has nothing to do with device storage | 15:00 |
| jonni | if you have p3 screwed then you need to reflash the firmware. | 15:02 |
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| lilltiger | So I am using the cutom kernel on my N9 and I wonder if I still can install the new update? | 17:43 |
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| pa | does anybody know where is the current wallpaper kept? | 17:53 |
| teleshoes | /usr/share/themes/blanco/meegotouch/images/backgrounds/meegotouch-desktop-bg.jpg | 17:54 |
| pa | ah thanks! that's the one that is shown in the lock scren? | 17:55 |
| teleshoes | no sorry | 17:55 |
| pa | i mean the one that is shown after you crop it | 17:55 |
| pa | coz apparently theres no way not to crop the wallpaper | 17:55 |
| teleshoes | thats the background for the home-screen-thing | 17:55 |
| pa | ah | 17:55 |
| teleshoes | just make it a 480x854 jpeg somewhere else | 17:55 |
| pa | i made it so | 17:56 |
| pa | but when i choose it | 17:56 |
| pa | the system makes me crop it | 17:56 |
| pa | no matter what | 17:56 |
| pa | and the bloody app cuts a part | 18:02 |
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| pa | ah ok | 18:06 |
| pa | i got how to get it full | 18:06 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | lilltiger: the new update? | 18:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pr1.3 is out? | 18:13 |
| phako | itsnotabigtruck: nope | 18:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | phako: i'd have been quite surprised if it was...then what is lilltiger talking about | 18:14 |
| phako | maybe he finally received 1.2? | 18:15 |
| phako | or it was a hypothetical question for future update | 18:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh, must be | 18:15 |
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| lilltiger | itsnotabigtruck: yes the new that came today here in sweden | 18:50 |
| lilltiger | 30.2012.07-1.339.03.1 | 18:52 |
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| lilltiger | is the version of it | 18:52 |
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| teleshoes | anyone know how to get a faster dpkg? | 19:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lilltiger: ok, that's PR1.2 | 19:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and it's been around for a while | 19:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but i guess the swedish country variant just arrived | 19:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you could have loaded the worldwide version a month or so ago :p | 19:27 |
| lilltiger | hmm, but I got ne back then as well | 19:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | teleshoes: it's slow because /usr/bin/dpkg is actually part of aegis, and it's a gigantic, inefficient, perl script | 19:27 |
| teleshoes | right | 19:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and i don't think you can do anything about that if you want aegis to stay in sync, without perhaps rewriting it properly | 19:28 |
| teleshoes | mm; and if i didnt care about aegis? | 19:28 |
| lilltiger | but indeed seems like i only have 1.1 installed | 19:28 |
| lilltiger | But can I upgrade to 1.2 when using the open kernel? | 19:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | teleshoes: well, even in open mode, if you cut aegis-install out of the equation, anything that needs to assert privileges won't work | 19:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lilltiger: i don't think you can, at least, i wouldn't advise it | 19:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm not sure if anyone's tested it | 19:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | upgrading from 1.2 with open kernel to 1.3 definitely won't work | 19:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | actually, yeah, don't try it | 19:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in either scenario it won't work properly | 19:29 |
| teleshoes | i tried it! dont do it | 19:29 |
| teleshoes | pr1.1 to pr1.2 ssu? | 19:29 |
| teleshoes | didnt go well | 19:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lilltiger: instead you should flash your phone with a firmware image | 19:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | now that they released an update for variant 339 you could download and flash that | 19:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | however, there's no real advantage to those variant versions and you'll have to wait forever for 1.3 then | 19:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so i'd recommend downloading and flashing 1.2 variant 001 instead | 19:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82693 | 19:31 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | lilltiger: so what you would do is flash the main image only | 19:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then flash the hacked kernel for 1.2 | 19:31 |
| lilltiger | but wont i get the aegis crap back then? | 19:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in fact i think you could do it like | 19:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | flasher -f -F main.img --kernel=hackedzimage | 19:32 |
| teleshoes | openmode kernel 1.2 here: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/1.2/openmode-kernel/zImage-2.6.32.48-dfl61-20115101 | 19:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lilltiger: yeah, so download the 001 image using navifirm (follow my guide) | 19:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and download that hacked kernel that teleshoes linked | 19:33 |
| lilltiger | k | 19:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then, when you get to the line under "replace operating system" | 19:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | use the command i just stated instead | 19:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | where hackedzimage is the kernel you downloaded | 19:33 |
| lilltiger | althought, is it worth the upgrade, and is 1.3 on it's way, maybe better to wait for it? | 19:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | alternatively, you could skip all this open mode business and get incepted instead | 19:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | where you would go to closed mode, then install inception and take control of aegis | 19:34 |
| lilltiger | hmm, maybe | 19:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lilltiger: 1.3's on its way but it'll still be weeks before it's released, no doubt | 19:35 |
| teleshoes | lilltiger: it is worth it to upgrade, pr1.3 is not imminent | 19:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and then you have to wait even longer if you want to use a hacked open mode kernel | 19:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | since they generally take their time with source code releases | 19:35 |
| lilltiger | well just weeks are nothing rely, and tbh i doubt i have any use of anything they added in 1.2 | 19:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so yeah, option a) open mode route - do what i just discussed | 19:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | option b) inception route - do a "comprehensive reset" with pr1.2, skip the open mode kernel, install inception after enabling dev mode | 19:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and pr1.2 is a definite upgrade | 19:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you should install it | 19:37 |
| teleshoes | lilltiger pr1.2 is nice; everything is a bit snappier, a bit more cleaned up. its not just new features | 19:38 |
| lilltiger | i read thriught the changes and seemd to be nothing i want¨ | 19:38 |
| teleshoes | i agree no new, exciting features; its the tons of small things that make it worthwhile | 19:38 |
| lilltiger | well ill see what ill do, I just use it for podcast right now anyway :P | 19:39 |
| teleshoes | heh | 19:39 |
| lilltiger | I dont evean have a sim-car in it | 19:39 |
| lilltiger | card | 19:39 |
| lilltiger | thought I had it since it was realeased :) | 19:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | note that if you go the inception route you'll probably have less trouble going to pr1.3 | 19:41 |
| teleshoes | ? | 19:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though, don't install pr1.3 until you check what the inception status is | 19:41 |
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| teleshoes | i thought there would be a pr1.3 openmode kernel for sure, while probably not inception | 19:42 |
| teleshoes | or do you just mean that we wont have to wait weeks for the sources if we're incepting | 19:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | teleshoes: for open mode: can't have a hacked kernel until you have kernel sources | 19:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and nokia doesn't release those until well after the release itself | 19:43 |
| teleshoes | mm, and those take weeks judgin by the past | 19:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | somebody has to put in a source code request, which they take their time in fulfilling, which they respond to with a dvd sent by snail mail :p | 19:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though you can go into open mode without hacking the kernel | 19:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | as for inception, don't bet on nokia stopping it for long :p | 19:45 |
| teleshoes | oh? thats intriguing | 19:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGscoaUWW2M | 19:45 |
| teleshoes | thanks for that | 19:47 |
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| teleshoes | so im torn between liking the idea of role-based permission sets, with the user at the controls, telling their apps what they can and cant do instead of vice-versa, | 19:49 |
| teleshoes | and just fucking hating aegis with a passion | 19:49 |
| teleshoes | with inception, ill never have a fast dpkg, and i wont just be able to throw debs from squeeze in will-he, nill-he | 19:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | teleshoes: and that's the problem with aegis, it doesn't have roles | 19:51 |
| teleshoes | with open!mode, i wont get the comfort and stability afforded by a sensible security framework | 19:51 |
| teleshoes | mm | 19:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also what's up with this ridiculous "open!mode" nomenclature of doc's | 19:51 |
| teleshoes | i know, right | 19:51 |
| teleshoes | at least its unambiguous | 19:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, "hacked kernel" or something works | 19:52 |
| teleshoes | you can hack a kernel to do lots of things | 19:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, like i said before, you can't just lose aegis-install entirely | 19:52 |
| teleshoes | open!mode means 'minimally hacked to cripple aegis as much as possible without breaking things' | 19:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | even in "open!mode" | 19:53 |
| teleshoes | in pr1.1, aegis-install would fail all the time | 19:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because then if you install a package it won't obtain any permission grants | 19:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so some things will break | 19:53 |
| teleshoes | and it didnt matter | 19:53 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | what do you mean "would fail all the time" | 19:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | remember that most packages don't actually make permission assertions | 19:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it's the ones that do that you have to worry about | 19:53 |
| teleshoes | when installing a package that made bad permission assertions, it would fail, dpkg would continue, | 19:53 |
| teleshoes | and everything would still work | 19:54 |
| teleshoes | er, 'made bad perm assertions' isnt exactly what i mean | 19:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | aegis-install keeps going if you make a permission request you're not allowed to | 19:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it just excludes the permissions that weren't allowed | 19:54 |
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| teleshoes | i guess thats what i mean | 19:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's not a failure, more like a warning | 19:55 |
| teleshoes | tho it DID fail on openmode, and didnt on open!mode | 19:55 |
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| teleshoes | the open!mode kernel on pr1.1 seemed to be losing aegis-install entirely | 19:56 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | except it doesn't, changing the kernel doesn't do anything to userland | 19:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | going into open mode does change the behavior of aegis-install a little | 19:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it doesn't disable or override it entirely | 19:57 |
| teleshoes | so, aegis never stopped me from doing any obscene things in open!mode on pr1.1 | 19:58 |
| teleshoes | like installing dpkg from debian squeeze | 19:58 |
| teleshoes | or su-ing as user | 19:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hmm | 19:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | aegis-install diverts dpkg to dpkg.real | 19:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so if you swapped out dpkg, you probably actually replaced dpkg.real | 19:59 |
| teleshoes | probably; i broke lots of things and had to reflash | 20:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that wouldn't stop aegis-install from doing its thing, it might cause some weird results though | 20:00 |
| teleshoes | im not sure whether i actually got dpkg from debian working | 20:01 |
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| teleshoes | what im asking is why aegis-install is vital, if the place where the assertions in the installed application actually happen is in the kernel | 20:02 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | teleshoes: because aegis-install is what updates the aegis configuration | 20:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it tells the k-mode aegis stuff what to do | 20:03 |
| teleshoes | i see | 20:03 |
| teleshoes | so, ill just have to do deal with dpkg -s taking a full second | 20:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw, has anyone seen djszapi around | 20:04 |
| teleshoes | during which perl is mostly just compiling | 20:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: so what was decided about whatsapp port yesterday? | 20:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: not sure anything was :p hopefully tgalal will end up going with telepathy | 20:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | probably could have been more tactful about the whole thing | 20:07 |
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| djszapi | hey, is the Qt Ambassador phone we got a gift ? | 20:08 |
| teleshoes | does anyone know if nemo is usable on the n9 yet? | 20:09 |
| djszapi | it is not. | 20:09 |
| teleshoes | aww | 20:09 |
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| faenil | hey guys :) | 20:09 |
| faenil | OT question, does anyone know how to tell your computer (win, lin, osx) to only accept DHCP offers from a particular IP? | 20:10 |
| teleshoes | thats pretty darn ot, indeed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DHCP_snooping | 20:12 |
| djszapi | teleshoes: nemo is IMO worse than ever. | 20:12 |
| teleshoes | awwwwwww | 20:12 |
| teleshoes | how so? | 20:13 |
| djszapi | probably lack of QA process against regressions. | 20:13 |
| jonni | faenil: dhclient -s IP | 20:14 |
| teleshoes | do you happen to know if, and how well, nemo does telephony/sms these days? | 20:15 |
| djszapi | teleshoes: sms does not work for me | 20:16 |
| faenil | jonni, ok so that only SENDS your dhcp messages to that server :) | 20:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: do better if you can | 20:16 |
| teleshoes | :( | 20:16 |
| teleshoes | meego seems like it could eventually be a really cool operating system | 20:16 |
| djszapi | teleshoes: and afaih for some other people either. :/ | 20:16 |
| faenil | teleshoes, I don't have access to switches of the network | 20:17 |
| faenil | teleshoes, we're users, and there are a lot of rogue dhcp servers (basically routers of other people which don't let you turn DHCP off in their firmware) | 20:17 |
| teleshoes | what jonni said is what you want, for linux | 20:17 |
| faenil | teleshoes, yeah, more or less :) the problem is I'd need to only apply that on some wifi connections, not all | 20:18 |
| teleshoes | ZogG_laptop, are you a nemo-er? | 20:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | teleshoes: meh, i'm noob | 20:19 |
| djszapi | teleshoes: I used to developer for that, and it was really prospereous back then at meego times. | 20:20 |
| djszapi | even before it was called meego developer edition. | 20:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | when there were no computers | 20:20 |
| djszapi | I have always been told it was getting better, but nowadays even the functionalities do not work which worked one year ago for the community edition. | 20:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | back than at 100 BC | 20:20 |
| djszapi | develop* | 20:21 |
| jonni | faenil: well you can always setup iptables to filter ports 67 and 68 and only allow specific ip through. | 20:21 |
| teleshoes | mm | 20:21 |
| faenil | jonni, yeah, I could, but I need something idiot-proof :) | 20:21 |
| teleshoes | regression qa can be rough, especially in such an environment | 20:21 |
| jonni | faenil: iptables is idiot-proof | 20:22 |
| faenil | jonni, to people who don't know what an ip is? | 20:22 |
| jonni | faenil: you make a script that they execute | 20:22 |
| faenil | yes that could be an idea, but how to make it only work when connected to a particular connection | 20:23 |
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| faenil | I could tell them to run it before connecting and run the "disable" script after disconnecting... | 20:24 |
| MohammadAG | /home/mohammad/QtSDK/Madde/sysroots/harmattan_sysroot_10.2011.34-1_slim/usr/include/meegotouch/mseparatormodel.h:33: error: expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before 'class' | 20:25 |
| MohammadAG | the fuck | 20:25 |
| djszapi | MohammadAG: your include path is okay ? | 20:25 |
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| djszapi | meegotouch has a funny including style :) | 20:26 |
| MohammadAG | djszapi, nothing changed | 20:26 |
| djszapi | sure...but perhaps you use a new include file which is not proper. | 20:27 |
| djszapi | it happens with meegotouch. | 20:27 |
| djszapi | check out the header file at that line | 20:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: ping | 20:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: query? | 20:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: ping | 20:29 |
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| teleshoes | hey, anyone know how to control the camera led flash? | 20:36 |
| teleshoes | on an n9 | 20:36 |
| teleshoes | there are apps in the app store, but none are open source, so i cant figure out what theyre doing | 20:36 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i think there are oprnsource ones as well | 20:37 |
| teleshoes | oh? | 20:37 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | teleshoes: probably qcamera | 20:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you could always try REing them ;) | 20:40 |
| teleshoes | ...or its FCam::N9::Flash | 20:42 |
| teleshoes | just found that on harmattan-dev | 20:42 |
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| teleshoes | ugh, i dont have scratchbox working for pr1.2, and i cant install g++ on the phone | 20:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | teleshoes: fcam is a little overkill, it wasn't added until 1.2 | 20:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though it was backported | 20:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so you can get it installed back to 1.0 | 20:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's a super low level camera control system | 20:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and i want to see some cool stuff built with it but no one's interested | 20:54 |
| teleshoes | sounds pretty cool | 20:54 |
| teleshoes | all i want tho, | 20:55 |
| teleshoes | is flash control from the command line | 20:55 |
| teleshoes | so yea, its overkill | 20:55 |
| teleshoes | i was kinda hoping there was a dbus signal for it | 20:55 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, ? | 20:56 |
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| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: query? | 20:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: solved that 2nd empty reply bug in imgrup btw with help +) | 20:57 |
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| MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, you didn't send any | 20:58 |
| teleshoes | ugh, i hate not being able to just compile things on-device | 20:58 |
| MohammadAG | you could install g++ | 20:58 |
| teleshoes | cant | 20:58 |
| MohammadAG | why? | 20:58 |
| teleshoes | g++-4.4: Depends: libstdc++6-4.4-dev (= 4.4.1-0maemo14+0m6) but it is not going to be installed | 20:58 |
| MohammadAG | ok so apt-get install libstdc++6-4.4-dev and see why | 20:59 |
| teleshoes | its libc6-dev | 20:59 |
| teleshoes | libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.10-0maemo18.1+0m6) but 2.10-0maemo20+0m7 is to be installed | 20:59 |
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| teleshoes | MohammadAG do you have g++ installed on pr1.2? | 21:13 |
| xmlich02 | hi, i reflashed my n9 and tried to configure caldav with my gmail account. The configuration dialog report full storage (the device is "empty"). The /var/log/syslog contains a lot of debugging messages regarding to caldav plugin http://pastebin.com/aANGtjBd | 21:13 |
| MohammadAG | teleshoes, I don't but it should be possible | 21:14 |
| MohammadAG | get libc6-dev version ...m7 | 21:14 |
| teleshoes | i couldnt find the deb | 21:17 |
| teleshoes | i dont think it exists | 21:23 |
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| MohammadAG | teleshoes, could be missing from the repos, but it definitely exists | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 21:34 |
| teleshoes | its def missing from the repos | 21:34 |
| teleshoes | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan/free/e/eglibc | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG | no sources available | 21:34 |
| teleshoes | mm | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG | couldn't this be moved to court? | 21:34 |
| teleshoes | yea | 21:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | ping divan | 21:36 |
| divan | ZogG_laptop: pong | 21:36 |
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| teleshoes | so does anybody know anything about this whole theres-no-gcc-for-pr1.2 thing? | 21:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | divan_: ? | 21:41 |
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| jonni | teleshoes: there has never been gcc provided that you can run inside N9, not for PR1.0, PR1.1, PR1.1.1, PR1.2, or possible future pr releases. You are supposed to use gcc in sdk. | 22:12 |
| teleshoes | huh? | 22:12 |
| teleshoes | i tooootally compiled things all the time in pr1.1 | 22:12 |
| jonni | then you needed have used external repoes. | 22:12 |
| teleshoes | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan/free/e/eglibc | 22:13 |
| teleshoes | on-device | 22:13 |
| jonni | that is external repo which is not meant for N9 | 22:13 |
| MohammadAG | jonni, does it matter really? | 22:13 |
| teleshoes | it certainly does not | 22:13 |
| MohammadAG | rootfs is 4GBs, might as well do native compiling | 22:13 |
| MohammadAG | it did matter on the N900, cause rootfs was 256MBs and you had to use a chroot in /opt | 22:14 |
| jonni | well ofcourse you can compile small project inside N9, but N9 doesnt have enough memory for example to link qtwebkit. | 22:14 |
| teleshoes | yea, and undertaking a real serious compilation on such a tiny cpu would be silly anyway | 22:14 |
| MohammadAG | 1GB of RAM isn't enough? | 22:14 |
| teleshoes | but to compile Term::ReadKey perl module | 22:14 |
| jonni | qtwebkit takes about 1.5GB ram to link. | 22:14 |
| teleshoes | so compiling a few little things on-device is pretty damn useful | 22:15 |
| teleshoes | especially when developing | 22:16 |
| teleshoes | i got quite comfortable developing non-gui projects without the sdk | 22:17 |
| teleshoes | and now i cant | 22:17 |
| teleshoes | without package dependency fuckery | 22:17 |
| jonni | it depends sometime its usefull, usually I just use sshfs and compile in sdk to path which is directly mounted on device. | 22:18 |
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| RzR | jonni: do u use sshfs on harmattan ? | 22:19 |
| RzR | jonni: on device i mean ? | 22:20 |
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| jonni | rzr: mount device to my linux with sshfs, ie. sshfs root@192.168.2.15:/ /mnt/ | 22:32 |
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| pa | two questions: is it possible to have a contact shown only within its group in the contact manager? | 22:33 |
| pa | and are hierarchical groups possible? | 22:33 |
| jonni | afaik answer is no and no. | 22:34 |
| rzr | jonni: i do that too but i also tested on device too | 22:34 |
| pa | ok, thanks | 22:35 |
| pa | so i guess basically i should code my own contact manager to do that.. | 22:35 |
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| pa | well, i guess i should first support google groups :p | 22:38 |
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