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| gabriel9 | i did not play me3 but i just sow this and this is great :D | 00:33 |
| gabriel9 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_H3uWLW3N4&feature=player_embedded | 00:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | gabriel9: hahaha | 00:37 |
| gabriel9 | :D | 00:38 |
| gabriel9 | it is great vid | 00:38 |
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| gabriel9 | people are really upset becouse of end of the game | 00:39 |
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| Sazpaimon | rzr`, pung | 06:24 |
| Sazpaimon | in before he's not here for another 8 hours when im sleep | 06:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hey saz | 06:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 06:24 |
| Sazpaimon | hi | 06:24 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | well, it being 4:30Z... | 06:24 |
| Sazpaimon | whatever | 06:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://ccmixter.org/files/hisboyelroy/9184 < awesome song | 06:25 |
| Sazpaimon | its gonna be 1am and im going grocery shopping | 06:25 |
| Sazpaimon | whats his excuse | 06:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | part of the soundtrack for this http://www.indiedb.com/games/hacknet | 06:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 06:25 |
| Sazpaimon | i actually was going to go 12 hours ago | 06:25 |
| Sazpaimon | but i bought riven, the sequel to myst saturday | 06:26 |
| Sazpaimon | and i played the hell out of it all night | 06:26 |
| Sazpaimon | and fell asleep at 10am | 06:26 |
| Sazpaimon | whatever, supermarkets are open 24 hours | 06:26 |
| Sazpaimon | may as well use them | 06:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 06:27 |
| Sazpaimon | unless you live in the UK | 06:27 |
| Sazpaimon | where you legally have to be closed for a certain amount of timeon sunday | 06:27 |
| Sazpaimon | what a stupid law | 06:27 |
| Sazpaimon | that law protects nobody | 06:28 |
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| DavidTalmage_ | Hi. I'm having trouble downloading apps from the Nokia Store. All downloads fail. Can anyone here help me, please? | 06:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DavidTalmage_: you're not the first, but i'm not sure how to solve it | 06:36 |
| DavidTalmage_ | apt-get works. It's just installing with the store app and the application manager that are broken. | 06:37 |
| DavidTalmage_ | google isn't helping me. :-( | 06:37 |
| DavidTalmage_ | I asked the Nokia Store for help. It refused because my N9 isn't officially available in the USA. | 06:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DavidTalmage_: yeah, excellent nokia support as usual :/ they couldn't have helped anyway | 06:38 |
| DavidTalmage_ | Thanks for replying, itsnotabigtruck. | 06:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it being a client bug or some such | 06:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw get ad-hac - it'll re-enable the wifi hotspot feature on your n9 | 06:39 |
| DavidTalmage_ | I think so. Probably some state hanging around in the file system. | 06:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so the application manager is broken too, not just ovi store? | 06:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that sounds new | 06:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | get in the terminal, download a deb, and do: pkgmgr install-file -f package.deb | 06:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | see what happens | 06:39 |
| DavidTalmage_ | Yes. Both are broken for me. It's new. I'm sure it worked a couple of weeks ago. | 06:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that uses the backend to both of them | 06:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if pkgmgr works, the gui package manager ought to work | 06:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if all else fails you can always re-flash, though that's the easy way out :p | 06:40 |
| * DavidTalmage_ poking at the shell for a minute | 06:41 | |
| DavidTalmage_ | OK. I just tried 'pkgmgr install -p quickbeer' | 06:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that'll only work if quickbeer happens to be in one of your apt repositories | 06:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it probably isn't | 06:45 |
| DavidTalmage_ | Error: Failed to fetch exec:////usr/bin/osa --get 'quickbeer': Sub-process returned an error code | 06:45 |
| DavidTalmage_ | Hmm. | 06:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh, hrm | 06:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | try this | 06:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | wget https://bit.ly/yPNJjm | 06:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pkgmgr install-file -f ad-hac_1.0_all.deb | 06:46 |
| DavidTalmage_ | Is it in one of my repositories if 'pkgmgr list-available' prints it? | 06:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DavidTalmage_: if you have apps for meego added, it is | 06:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then you can do pkgmgr install -p ad-hac | 06:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh, if it = quickbeer, i don't think it's in a repo | 06:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's in ovi | 06:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but ovi is sort of integrated into apt now, which is what you just saw | 06:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | apt called out to ovi store assistant (osa), which failed | 06:47 |
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| * DavidTalmage_ installing wget, then fetching ad-hac ... | 06:50 | |
| DavidTalmage_ | ad-hac installed successfully | 06:52 |
| DavidTalmage_ | So now I need to diagnose osa. | 06:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | via pkgmgr? | 06:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ok, so it's not the package-manager stuff...but you said the package management gui wasn't working? | 06:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so if you, say, download a deb from the browser and tap it, it'll fail somehow | 06:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or it'll fail if you go to the uninstall screen? | 06:53 |
| DavidTalmage_ | By "package management gui", I meant the app that tells me I have updates and lets me select the ones to install. | 06:54 |
| DavidTalmage_ | Are we talking about the same app? | 06:54 |
| DavidTalmage_ | Interesting: I just tried 'apt-get remove ad-hac'. | 06:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DavidTalmage_: yeah, that's what i mean | 06:55 |
| DavidTalmage_ | apt-get said it can't get the lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock | 06:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's because pkgmgr doesn't clean up after itself | 06:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | do: | 06:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | killall pkgmgrd | 06:56 |
| DavidTalmage_ | I can uninstall apps. | 06:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rm -f /var/lib/dpkg/lock | 06:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (as root) | 06:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and you're saying - that app, the one with the updates, is failing | 06:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and if so, how | 06:56 |
| DavidTalmage_ | killall said no process killed. | 06:57 |
| DavidTalmage_ | Then I re-ran apt-get and it removed ad-hac. | 06:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | go onto the next step | 06:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh ok | 06:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but - we need to narrow this down | 06:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what is and what isn't failing | 06:57 |
| DavidTalmage_ | So, yes, the one with the updates is failing. Also, the Nokia Store app is failing. | 06:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and if something is failing, precisely how | 06:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you aren't giving much detail | 06:58 |
| DavidTalmage_ | I was able to install the apps with upgrades using apt-get update && apt-get upgrade. | 06:58 |
| DavidTalmage_ | What detail would help you to help me? :-) | 06:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you know, like saying what actually doesn't work, for one | 06:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you're saying that more things are broken than ovi store | 06:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but that doesn't help | 06:59 |
| DavidTalmage_ | I think they're the same problem. | 06:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so what's the problem then | 06:59 |
| DavidTalmage_ | So let's start with the ovi store. | 06:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no, because ovi is more complicated | 07:00 |
| DavidTalmage_ | OK. | 07:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and it doesn't give good error messages | 07:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i want to know precisely what isn't working, and if it doesn't work, what happens when it doesn't work | 07:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you know, the basic info anyone needs to troubleshoot anything | 07:00 |
| DavidTalmage_ | Should we start with the package management gui? | 07:01 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | yeah | 07:02 |
| DavidTalmage_ | I'll tell you what I observed. However, there are no longer any updates. I installed them with apt-get. | 07:03 |
| DavidTalmage_ | The package management gui reported a number of updates. Droplan, MPD Remote, Recorder, tag-writing-plugin (I think). | 07:04 |
| DavidTalmage_ | There were some others. | 07:04 |
| DavidTalmage_ | On the "Updates" screen, I pressed "Update All". | 07:04 |
| DavidTalmage_ | The package management gui tried to download each package. For each one, it printed "Download failed" (or something with the same meaning). | 07:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | wait, those are ovi store apps | 07:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that ends up being the same problem you had before, with osa failing | 07:06 |
| DavidTalmage_ | Interesting. | 07:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i thought it was failing when you uninstall/install something | 07:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | sounds like it's not | 07:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it only fails when attempting to retrieve an ovi package | 07:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so then... | 07:07 |
| DavidTalmage_ | Ah. Sorry. I should have been more explicit. | 07:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | get back on the terminal, what happens if you do osa --get quickbeer | 07:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | directly | 07:07 |
| DavidTalmage_ | Yes, the downloads from ovi store all fail. | 07:07 |
| DavidTalmage_ | It prints a lot of stuff on the console. Looks like non-text, as if I cat-ed an executable. Also, there's some uuencoded or base64 encoded stuff | 07:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DavidTalmage_: yeah, that's expected | 07:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | probably should have told you to send stdout to /dev/null or something | 07:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ok, wait about a minute | 07:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then attempt the apt-get install quickbeer again | 07:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or pkgmgr install -p quickbeer | 07:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the output is a debian package, which mostly consists of a .tar.gz, so it should be unintelligible | 07:12 |
| DavidTalmage_ | quickbeer is being installed. | 07:12 |
| DavidTalmage_ | There's a message, also: QNetworkReplyImpl::_q_startOperation was called more than once | 07:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that can be ignored | 07:13 |
| DavidTalmage_ | thought so. | 07:13 |
| DavidTalmage_ | I'm going to try the ovi store again. | 07:15 |
| DavidTalmage_ | The "My Stuff" page lists some of the packages I tried to download. I'm selecting "Ionic". | 07:17 |
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| DavidTalmage_ | First, it says "Waiting". Then "Downloading". Then "There was a problem downloading this item. Try again." | 07:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hm, maybe try it a few times | 07:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you asked me about this before, didn't you? | 07:20 |
| DavidTalmage_ | you mean before today? | 07:20 |
| DavidTalmage_ | Not on IRC and not intentionally. | 07:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah | 07:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hm | 07:21 |
| DavidTalmage_ | I asked about it on Nokia Developer a few minutes ago. | 07:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, the catch-all solution is to re-flash :p | 07:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also forget the nokia forums...go with tmo | 07:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though tmo has a rather excessive number of noobs, but the nokia forums aren't terribly better | 07:22 |
| jonni | and sometimes it helps that you run osa through strace, then you can see where osa stalls, atleast it helped me one one n9. | 07:22 |
| DavidTalmage_ | I just checked Nokia Developer. A guy from India referred me to http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/ | 07:22 |
| jonni | in that device there was stalling processes, that I needed to kill in order to get it working | 07:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hmm, good idea ^ | 07:23 |
| DavidTalmage_ | I can install strace. | 07:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | except...since pkgmgr worked a few mins ago, it looks like this is an intermediate problem | 07:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so it seems to be getting ugly | 07:24 |
| DavidTalmage_ | We observed that 'osa --get quickbeer' did something useful. | 07:25 |
| DavidTalmage_ | How do I run strace on the ovi store app? | 07:25 |
| jonni | in one another device, I was using nat wlan ap which was behind nat router (which will always fail for ovi store), was fixed when I moved connection only to be behind one nat, and not 2. | 07:26 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | *intermediate->intermittent | 07:27 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | jonni: that's...peculiar | 07:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ovi store fails on double nats? | 07:29 |
| DavidTalmage_ | AFAIK, nothing on my wifi network has changed. | 07:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DavidTalmage_: strace ovistoreclient, perhaps? | 07:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i haven't used strace, and it might be necessary to do something to filter down the noise | 07:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://www.youtuberepeat.com/watch/?v=UCKt8_OVXbs | 07:31 |
| DavidTalmage_ | I have another Nokia phone. It's an N8. It's on my WIFI network. It's installing Nokia Car Mode from the Nokia Store right now. | 07:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://support.publish.nokia.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Nokia_Store_Content_Guidelines_1.41.pdf the new ovi store requirements now include rather strict privacy rules | 07:36 |
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| DavidTalmage_ | N8 installation successful. | 07:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, i'm mostly out of ideas, besides wiping the phone...try the strace and see if you can see anything fishy going on | 07:37 |
| DavidTalmage_ | One more detail. Nokia Store says "Can't install. Installation package not found." | 07:38 |
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| jonni | ofcourse sometimes some packages are not avail to some regions, so you could try to install something else and see if it works. | 07:39 |
| jonni | or try to set http_proxy which is from different region. | 07:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but those packages wouldn't be shown in the ovi store, i'd assume | 07:42 |
| DavidTalmage_ | strace -o ovi -ff ovistoreclient | 07:42 |
| DavidTalmage_ | Fooey. Can't sign in. | 07:44 |
| DavidTalmage_ | Pressing the "Sign in" button seems to do nothing. | 07:44 |
| DavidTalmage_ | I tried downloading something without signing in. The "Download" button seems to have no effect. | 07:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DavidTalmage_: you need to run it as user | 07:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | try: | 07:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | devel-su -c 'devel-su -s /bin/develsh user' | 07:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then do the strace | 07:45 |
| DavidTalmage_ | I am running it as user | 07:46 |
| DavidTalmage_ | will try your way :-) | 07:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ok, assumed you were doing it from the developer account | 07:46 |
| DavidTalmage_ | seems to make no difference. | 07:50 |
| DavidTalmage_ | no useful response from "Sign in" button. | 07:50 |
| DavidTalmage_ | It blinks when I press it. that's it. | 07:50 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | weird | 07:52 |
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| DavidTalmage_ | There are 9 processes, apparently. strace gave me 9 files to look at. | 07:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, /me needs teh sleep | 07:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | night! | 07:55 |
| DavidTalmage_ | I'm going to look around for ovistoreclient temporary files. Later today. | 07:55 |
| DavidTalmage_ | Thanks a lot, itsnotabigtruck. | 07:55 |
| DavidTalmage_ | Time for me to sleep, too. | 07:56 |
| DavidTalmage_ | Thanks also, jonni. | 07:56 |
| DavidTalmage_ | Good night, all. | 07:56 |
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| chouchoune | hello | 09:56 |
| chouchoune | is there a way to have carddav support on Harmattan ? | 09:56 |
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| jonni | chouchoune: sure there is a way, you can get vCard data easily, you just have to code and compole carddav implementation yourself :) its on software you know :) | 10:13 |
| jonni | compole=compile | 10:13 |
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| chouchoune | jonni: yes, I know I can do it myself as for everything ;) | 10:38 |
| chouchoune | I was just asking if there is an implementation already ;) | 10:38 |
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| djszapiN9 | faenil, o/ | 10:44 |
| faenil | o/ djszapiN9 | 10:44 |
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| pa | cool, now N9 supports multiple gmail accounts :) | 12:09 |
| pa | (for contacts syncing) | 12:10 |
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| chouchoune | hi again | 12:18 |
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| chouchoune | do you know if it's possible to subscribe to a new clalendar on an already existing caldav account ? | 12:20 |
| chouchoune | I created a new calendar server-side but cannot use it on the device (and entries moved on the server create syncing errors on the N9) | 12:21 |
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| merlin1991 | how's the metapackage insinde scratchbox called? | 12:38 |
| merlin1991 | (I'm not sure if my upgrade from beta3 to final went smooth) | 12:38 |
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| xmlich02 | hey guys, is here someone to test my foursquare event feed application for meego? http://pcmlich.fit.vutbr.cz/tmp/meegosquare.png http://pcmlich.fit.vutbr.cz/meego/meegosquare_1.0_armel.deb | 13:11 |
| dm8tbr | nice | 13:15 |
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| mtd | anybody know how I can get tracker-store to vacuum / otherwise rebuild meta.db, without losing any of the data in it? | 14:48 |
| * mtd wonders about restoring from backup...hmmm | 14:48 | |
| sandst1 | mtd: you can't. on Harmattan Tracker has no journal file, so even tracker-control --soft-reset will wipe out everything | 14:51 |
| mtd | sandst1: oh, that's a shame. | 14:53 |
| mtd | guess I will trying backing up, then restoring from backup | 14:53 |
| * DavidTalmage_ wakes | 15:05 | |
| DavidTalmage_ | Hello, World! | 15:05 |
| DavidTalmage_ | Can anyone here help me diagnose a problem with ovistoreclient? | 15:05 |
| petteri | ? | 15:06 |
| DavidTalmage_ | peteri, was that ? for me? | 15:07 |
| petteri | yes | 15:07 |
| DavidTalmage_ | thanks. | 15:08 |
| petteri | you did not describe the problem | 15:08 |
| * mtd restore 158MB of tracker backup | 15:08 | |
| * mtd /restores | 15:08 | |
| DavidTalmage_ | I can install ovi store apps using apt-get but not using the ovi store client, /usr/bin/ovistoreclient. | 15:08 |
| DavidTalmage_ | ovistoreclient always says | 15:09 |
| DavidTalmage_ | "Can't install. Installation package not found." | 15:09 |
| DavidTalmage_ | For example, I tried downloading QuickBeer. With the client, I get that message. apt-get, on the other hand, happily installed it. | 15:10 |
| DavidTalmage_ | I wonder if ovistoreclient keeps state on my phone and if that state is bad. | 15:11 |
| petteri | strange. I have not seen that kind of problem | 15:13 |
| DavidTalmage_ | Nobody has. :-( | 15:14 |
| petteri | I have not used apt-get on my device, only ovi store and qtsdk | 15:14 |
| petteri | if I google your error message I get come hits, maybe try to look there | 15:14 |
| petteri | couple of | 15:14 |
| DavidTalmage_ | Not developer.nokia.com. Not Nokia's European customer support forum. Not Nokia's Australian customer support forum. | 15:15 |
| DavidTalmage_ | Google gave me nothing helpful. I went there first. | 15:15 |
| DavidTalmage_ | Late last night, itsnotabigtruck helped me diagnose. | 15:16 |
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| DavidTalmage_ | We determined it's something about ovistoreclient. | 15:17 |
| DavidTalmage_ | I tried strace on ovistoreclient. When I do that, I can't log into my account on the store. | 15:18 |
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| tgalal | Is there a documentation anywhere on how to add application specific fields for contacts? | 15:21 |
| tgalal | like for example contacts who have twitter accounts have button for twitter | 15:21 |
| tgalal | when clicked, it opens the twitter app | 15:21 |
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| merlin1991 | tgalal: see http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Best_practices_for_application_development_Integrating_account_management_to_applications.html | 15:37 |
| merlin1991 | I think with the proper "service" you'll get what you want | 15:38 |
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| tgalal | merlin1991: and what defines a proper service with such functions? | 15:40 |
| merlin1991 | tgalal I've only browsed over the docs there | 15:40 |
| merlin1991 | as far as I understood it, you can have your own field for contacts if you implement your own "service" | 15:41 |
| tgalal | merlin1991: cool. that would be a start. I've only created a provider. Thanks. | 15:43 |
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| DavidTalmage_ | In debugging my ovistoreclient problem I think I just bricked my phone. | 16:16 |
| DavidTalmage_ | TL;DR: apt-get autoremove is not your friend | 16:17 |
| petteri | at least reflashing the phone will probably make the ovi store work again :P | 16:19 |
| DavidTalmage_ | :P | 16:19 |
| phako | anyone speaking arabic here? | 16:19 |
| DavidTalmage_ | Is there any way to get N9 firmware without the Windows app NaviFirm? | 16:28 |
| jonni | search google and you find a version which runs with wine. | 16:28 |
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| DavidTalmage_ | That's it? Wine or Windows? OK. Thanks. | 16:29 |
| jonni | google will also find direct http links, but yes, wine or windows are you current options. | 16:30 |
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| DavidTalmage_ | jonni, thanks. | 16:35 |
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| pa | tgalal, you can probably have custom QContactDetail s | 16:49 |
| pa | i guess that's what you want | 16:50 |
| pa | by the way, what's the way to get an application into ovi store? from what i heared it cant put any file into /usr. does it also have to have a gui, or can it be a command line tool only? | 16:51 |
| tgalal | pa: but does that offer the possibility to open an app onclick? | 16:51 |
| pa | tgalal, what do you mean? | 16:51 |
| pa | that's a contact detail | 16:52 |
| tgalal | I mean like if you setup a twitter account | 16:52 |
| pa | that you can access via QContactManager | 16:52 |
| tgalal | now your contacts have a twitter button in contacts application | 16:52 |
| tgalal | when you tap, the button, the twitter application opens | 16:52 |
| tgalal | it's not a normal contact field if you know what I mean | 16:52 |
| pa | hm | 16:52 |
| pa | im not sure how this works to be honest. normally , for example, skype contacts have a different sync target | 16:53 |
| pa | but you can merge them | 16:53 |
| pa | with native contacts. you should check what fields are added | 16:53 |
| pa | (what QContactAttributes) | 16:54 |
| pa | if that's how it works | 16:54 |
| pa | i didnt have too much time for investigating this. atm i just create standard phone contacts | 16:54 |
| DavidTalmage_ | When I download the firmware using NaviFirm, do I need anything other than DFL61_HARMATTAN_30.2012.07-1_PR_LEGACY_009-OEM1-958_ARM.bin ? | 16:56 |
| pa | by the way, nokia closed bugzilla for N9 | 16:57 |
| DavidTalmage_ | NaviFirm wants to download some other, smaller files. | 16:57 |
| pa | hope it's not the beginning of the end | 16:57 |
| leinir | pa: the beginning of the end was in february two years ago :P | 17:00 |
| Richlv | <pa> by the way, nokia closed bugzilla for N9 | 17:10 |
| Richlv | mm ? | 17:10 |
| Richlv | "Harmattan Bugzilla Closed for New Bugs" | 17:10 |
| Richlv | ohcrap | 17:10 |
| Richlv | indeed | 17:10 |
| Richlv | :( | 17:10 |
| Richlv | where's the hitman fund for eflop ? :> | 17:10 |
| Richlv | (it's funny, laugh) | 17:10 |
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| pa | he he | 18:43 |
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| sahib_ | hmm... is QCA/QtCrypto not available in the default SB rootstrap? | 19:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh wonderful | 19:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DavidTalmage_: if apt prompts you to remove mp-harmattan-009-pr | 19:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or displays something like 100 autoremovable packages | 19:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | stop immediately! you're about to screw things up | 19:08 |
| DavidTalmage_ | itsnotabigtruck: I learned that the hard way. | 19:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you remove the "system metapackage" apt will think that the entire system is autoremovable, and then the next time you use pkgmgr it'll do that automatically | 19:08 |
| DavidTalmage_ | Funny. First, I removed ovistoreclient, thinking I could reinstall and fix him. apt-get also removed ovistoreclient-guard and mp-harmattan-009-pr. | 19:09 |
| DavidTalmage_ | I didn't think anything of it. | 19:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, anyway...now you have an excuse to reflash which will probably solve the problem | 19:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 19:10 |
| DavidTalmage_ | At the same time, apt-get suggested autoremoving lots of packages. | 19:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the original one, that is | 19:10 |
| DavidTalmage_ | yeah. 1.16Gb and a few hours of downloading time later ... :-) | 19:11 |
| DavidTalmage_ | Can I have merit badge for this? | 19:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 19:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there shouldn't be any need to do the emmc, just the rootfs | 19:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in fact you could use NSU to fix it probably, the official nokia supported solution | 19:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | as opposed to the evil evil dangerous flasher >_> | 19:12 |
| Corsac | btw if you have a download url for the pr1.2 image (last time I looked at what nokia updater downloaded but...) | 19:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Corsac: just use one of the various incarnations of navifirm, or that nokia firmwares website | 19:13 |
| DavidTalmage_ | http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/p/d/fds_fire/1202/2419/6514978516/FB2CF12A_DFL61_HARMATTAN_30.2012.07-1_PR_LEGACY_009-OEM1-958_ARM.bin | 19:13 |
| Corsac | itsnotabigtruck: that nokia firmwares website? | 19:13 |
| DavidTalmage_ | This is what I'm downloading. | 19:13 |
| Corsac | DavidTalmage_: thanks | 19:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Corsac: it's linked from my flashing guide | 19:13 |
| Corsac | url to your flashing guide? :) | 19:13 |
| DavidTalmage_ | It's the URL that NaviFirm Plus gave me. | 19:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also remember that if you flash 009 firmware, you can't flash <009 firmware anymore until you go to pr1.3 | 19:14 |
| Corsac | well, it's more about reflashing than updating | 19:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Corsac: right, i'm just saying that you should keep your variant as low as possible | 19:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you have 001, don't flash 009, flash 001 | 19:14 |
| Corsac | ah ok | 19:14 |
| DavidTalmage_ | Oh, so I should download the previous version and do an OTA update? | 19:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though when pr1.3 comes out, you can then download the PR1.3 001 image and flash that over your PR1.2 009 | 19:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DavidTalmage_: no, you can't do that...no one said that | 19:15 |
| DavidTalmage_ | I'm confused, then. | 19:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DavidTalmage_: check out my flashing guide | 19:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it includes a detailed description of how nokia's ridiculous downgrade blocking scheme works | 19:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you're already on PR1.2 009, so you can't flash an image with a version lower than PR1.2, or a PR1.2 image with a variant lower than 009 | 19:16 |
| Corsac | itsnotabigtruck: url for the flashing guide? :) | 19:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh come on, just google it :p talk.maemo.org flashing guide n9 | 19:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ought to work | 19:17 |
| DavidTalmage_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82693 | 19:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yep | 19:18 |
| * DavidTalmage_ reading the flashing guide | 19:18 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | when PR1.3 comes out, you should probably avoid SSUing | 19:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | instead wait for the 001 image to come out and flash to that | 19:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because when the version goes up, the variant is allowed to go back down | 19:18 |
| teleshoes | what is ssuing? | 19:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | teleshoes: ota upgrade | 19:19 |
| teleshoes | tanks | 19:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it's not actually called that, it's called ssu | 19:19 |
| teleshoes | kaye | 19:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (seamless software upgrade, or something like that) | 19:19 |
| teleshoes | plausibly bureaucratic | 19:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 19:19 |
| teleshoes | question! is zImage-2.6.32.48-dfl61-20115101{md5 e95a0c5fc8a500008707a2f74d7642c6} the openmode!est kernel available atm? | 19:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no idea | 19:20 |
| teleshoes | k | 19:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just incept it and aegisctl -skx it :p | 19:20 |
| teleshoes | waiting to byte that bullet | 19:21 |
| DavidTalmage_ | itsnotabigtruck: I chose 009 because NaviFirm told me it corresponds to the product code of my phone. | 19:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DavidTalmage_: right, you have to choose 009 because your phone's already on 009 | 19:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so you need to follow the same or higher rule | 19:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 009 is the highest generic code | 19:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | whereas corsac probably isn't on 009, so s/he shouldn't install 009 | 19:21 |
| Corsac | well, my N9 came back from repair with PR1.2 but it's into warranty now, so … | 19:22 |
| DavidTalmage_ | Apparently, my phone is Norewegian. I got it in Munich at QtDevDays. All of the phones they gave out that week were from Norway. | 19:22 |
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| leinir | DavidTalmage_: *nods* Yup - Norwegian quick-start guide and everything ;) | 19:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm feeling a bit less bitter about not receiving a conference giveaway phone when i noticed the registration fees for said conferences are significantly higher than the msrp of the phone :p | 19:23 |
| pa | DavidTalmage_, cool :) | 19:23 |
| pa | did you get it for free? | 19:23 |
| CissWit | i have the 232 variant, i'm considering flashing to 001 PR1.2, but can't find references about incompatibilities. | 19:23 |
| CissWit | if there's some | 19:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | CissWit: there are none, just do it | 19:24 |
| DavidTalmage_ | Yes, I did. I have another one from QtDevDays in San Francisco. Also a freebie. I haven't used it yet. | 19:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 99% of the problems experienced have been due to people changing their product codes | 19:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | don't do that | 19:24 |
| pa | i should start going to such events :) | 19:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | otherwise there's basically zero risk assuming you have your data backed up | 19:25 |
| DavidTalmage_ | Thanks. Not planning to change the product code. | 19:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pa: but you have to pay $800 or so to go last i checked | 19:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | normally your employer would pay that | 19:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and then of course there's airfare | 19:25 |
| CissWit | itsnotabigtruck: i've been reading here that there's problem on restoring backup from an other variant, but can't remember who told me that. | 19:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's not an option if you aren't in the qt business though | 19:25 |
| pa | i see | 19:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's certainly not a way to get a "free phone" | 19:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | your ticket paid for the phone | 19:26 |
| pa | well, i dont do much with qt, nothing heavy at least | 19:26 |
| pa | so no, probably it wouldnt work out | 19:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | whereas with the lumia giveaway from nokia, that really was a free phone | 19:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | assuming you signed up for launchpad somewhere between november 2010 and october 2011 or so | 19:27 |
| pa | i see | 19:27 |
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| pa | i staid out of the smartphone world until 3 weeks ago :) | 19:27 |
| DavidTalmage_ | He's right. I paid for all of the travel myself for both conferences. | 19:27 |
| pa | by the way, do you know whether prerequisites to get an app accepted in ovi store are up somewhere ? | 19:27 |
| luke-jr | DavidTalmage_: you have a spare N950? | 19:28 |
| luke-jr | DavidTalmage_: is it for sale? <.< | 19:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i was following meego a little bit but not close enough to know about any of this nokia business until after all the promotions and giveaways :( | 19:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i didn't know the N9 wasn't going to be running meego proper, and all info about harmattan is pretty deeply buried away on the meego website | 19:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | intel was going to be pushing its intel-inside meego phone that never happened | 19:30 |
| pa | yes | 19:30 |
| pa | and they are silly supporting android | 19:30 |
| pa | i saw this ICS on the galaxy S2 (still one of the most powerful soc around) | 19:30 |
| pa | it lags like hell | 19:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah...the N9 would be amazing with the state of the art hardware inside, but atm it seems like they're mostly just throwing CPU power at android because it's too damn slow without it | 19:31 |
| pa | i mean with an omap4 or 5 it would be a perfect server, too :) | 19:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 19:33 |
| DavidTalmage_ | luke-jr: Not for sale, no. Nokia gave it to me for development use. I feel that I should honor that. | 19:33 |
| luke-jr | DavidTalmage_: I'd use it for development. | 19:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | luke-jr: most n950s are tied up on contracts | 19:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and are theoretically owned by nokia, and can be clawed back | 19:33 |
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| DavidTalmage_ | luke-jr: really, I have a use for it. I have a mesh networking experiment coming up in the next quarter. | 19:35 |
| DavidTalmage_ | luke-jr: hope you find one, though. | 19:36 |
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| luke-jr | DavidTalmage_: i c | 19:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DavidTalmage_: that's the problem, basically everyone who wasn't here in may or whenever is sol | 19:36 |
| DavidTalmage_ | itsnotabigtruck: I read your "Comprehensive Firmware Flashing Guide for N9". It's good. Now waiting for the download. | 19:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | they could do another CDP-type thing and empty out their inventory, but they won't | 19:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i think they already ruled that out | 19:37 |
| pa | that sucks | 19:37 |
| DavidTalmage_ | Amazon carries them for about $460. | 19:38 |
| pa | they are probably afraid people would develop for N9 :) | 19:38 |
| DavidTalmage_ | I have to step away for a while. | 19:38 |
| DavidTalmage_ | Thanks for your help! | 19:39 |
| * DavidTalmage_ coffee break | 19:39 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | DavidTalmage_: N950s? i don't think so | 19:39 |
| DavidTalmage_ | Oh, no. N9s. | 19:39 |
| DavidTalmage_ | Oh. I'm rereading luke-jr's question. | 19:39 |
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| DavidTalmage_ | luke-jr: I have two N9s, not two N950s. | 19:39 |
| luke-jr | oh | 19:39 |
| * luke-jr has no interest in N9 <.< | 19:40 | |
| pa | DavidTalmage_, do you sell one n9? :) | 19:40 |
| DavidTalmage_ | :-) | 19:40 |
| * DavidTalmage_ Really, must have coffee. Back in an hour. | 19:40 | |
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| ZogG_N9 | X-Fade, ping | 20:06 |
| ZogG_N9 | ~ping | 20:07 |
| infobot | ~pong | 20:07 |
| ZogG_N9 | everytime no one says anything here more than for minute i feel like i'm timeouted | 20:08 |
| ZogG_N9 | =) | 20:08 |
| ZogG_N9 | =( | 20:11 |
| ZogG_N9 | itsnotabigtruck, i know u are 24/7 here | 20:11 |
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| faenil | yo people sup here? :D | 20:16 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | lol @ zog | 20:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hey faenil | 20:23 |
| faenil | heya :D | 20:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://ccmixter.org/files/hisboyelroy/9184 < check it out | 20:24 |
| faenil | itsnotabigtruck, what's that? | 20:36 |
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| blueslee | DocScrutinizer: ping | 20:57 |
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| blueslee | DocScrutinizer: any issues so far with the open kernel for n9/pr1.2? | 21:02 |
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| tgalal | does any body have an answer to this post by aflegg??? http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Discussion/showthread.php?227356-MeeGo-Sharing-Framework-plugin-in-Harmattan&p=885360&viewfull=1#post885360 | 21:42 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | tgalal: unrelated, but is there some reason you aren't using telepathy for your whatsapp app? | 21:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i saw a screenshot of it and it looked like you were trying to mimick the native interface, rather than actually using the native interface yourself | 21:44 |
| tgalal | itsnotabigtruck: because there are some features that aren't provided by the native interface, live delivery statuses, and last seen on | 21:44 |
| tgalal | like* | 21:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | tgalal: but the benefits of integration vastly outweigh that | 21:45 |
| tgalal | well I'm trying to integrate other pieces as mush as I could, at least for now. | 21:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it saves you time trying to make a carbon copy of what nokia already did, and it would make it work just like sms, google talk, ebuddy xms, etc. | 21:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and going with telepathy basically means rewriting so it would be preferable to go down that path before the whole thing is finished and it's too late | 21:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i mean, i don't care that much, i don't use whatsapp myself | 21:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | all that's really required is a telepathy CM and an accounts-ui plugin (for adding the account) | 21:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i don't know how whatsapp authenticates, you might have to do some stuff with signon too | 21:50 |
| tgalal | itsnotabigtruck: I understand your point, using the native APIs would save a lot of headache, but I don't wan't to sacrifice those features, specially the delivery status. If you know any whatsapp users you'd know this is important to them. Ask any BBM users why they use bbm, first things they mention would include delivery reports. | 21:50 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | tgalal: are you sure delivery reporting can't be done | 21:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because that's already supported by the sms feature | 21:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which is built on telepathy | 21:51 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | and, i don't know any bbm users, or whatsapp users either...neither of them are popular at all in north america | 21:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | blackberries are for execs and salesmen who email all the time | 21:52 |
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| tgalal | itsnotabigtruck: yeah that's not the same everywhere. Everyone here uses whatsapp or a blackberry with bbm | 21:52 |
| tgalal | adding to that, documentation is crap | 21:53 |
| sahib_ | did you have to reverse engineer the whatsapp protocol, or is that out in the wild someplace? | 21:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/doc/telepathy-glib/telepathy-glib-enums.html#TpChannelTextMessageType | 21:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | telepathy clearly has documented delivery reporting apis | 21:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the nokia stuff isn't very well documented, like accounts-ui | 21:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but you were going to implement one of those in either case | 21:55 |
| tgalal | itsnotabigtruck: yeah and telepathy supports "user is typing" too I guess, but the UI doesn't | 21:55 |
| ZogG_N9 | tgalal, doesnt it work as in xmpp? | 21:56 |
| tgalal | sahib_: I reversed it | 21:56 |
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| tgalal | ZogG_N9: yeah it's pretty much the same, except with the login | 21:57 |
| tgalal | and | 21:57 |
| ZogG_N9 | so delivery should be the same, no? | 21:57 |
| tgalal | messages are encoded before being sent, decoded when received | 21:57 |
| tgalal | ZogG_N9: does the UI show delivery status for any of the existent protocols ? | 21:58 |
| tgalal | well except SMS | 21:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the point is, the users will be better off if you actually integrate into the system | 21:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it would make it infinitely more useful because then it'll work just like sms | 21:58 |
| ZogG_N9 | jabber? | 21:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which, mind you, is the entire point of this thing | 21:58 |
| ZogG_N9 | lemme check | 21:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and i'm more than a little bit tired of low quality apps implemented without the proper system apis, the proper fonts, the proper design conventions, the proper package control fields, the proper anything | 21:59 |
| tgalal | itsnotabigtruck: I understand your point. And actually what I'm trying to do (currently) is to have everything that could be native, native. | 22:00 |
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| tgalal | and if I'm not going for a telepathy plugin | 22:00 |
| ZogG_N9 | tgalal, no, but you can talk to icoderus | 22:00 |
| tgalal | that would be everything but chat | 22:00 |
| tgalal | conversations I mean | 22:00 |
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| tgalal | in fact I did create the accounts plugin already | 22:00 |
| ZogG_N9 | tgalal, awesome | 22:01 |
| tgalal | whole registration process is now via accounts plugin | 22:01 |
| ZogG_N9 | tgalal, wait but why dont you use delievery from xmpp | 22:01 |
| ZogG_N9 | i know it has it | 22:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | tgalal: but the telepathy integration is the only integration that matters much | 22:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you want it to work natively, and you're doing a messaging app, then everything points toward telepathy | 22:02 |
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| ZogG_N9 | agreed | 22:02 |
| tgalal | itsnotabigtruck: hmm we do have a python binding for telepathy right? | 22:03 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | tgalal: yeah...i'm not sure if it's shipped with the nokia repos but it exists | 22:03 |
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| ZogG_N9 | tgalal, have tweeter? | 22:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's also qt and glib-based c/c++ apis | 22:03 |
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| tgalal | ZogG_N9: twitter account? | 22:04 |
| ZogG_N9 | tgalal, contact him thru tweeter or TMO | 22:04 |
| ZogG_N9 | i bet him can help with it | 22:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_N9: has coderus done a telepathy cm before | 22:04 |
| tgalal | ZogG_N9: I guess I will | 22:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | extraplugins ships an already-made cm (telepathy-haze) | 22:05 |
| ZogG_N9 | he made jabber support | 22:05 |
| ZogG_N9 | even chat | 22:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_N9: see above | 22:05 |
| ZogG_N9 | itsnotabigtruck, what exactly? | 22:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_N9: extraplugins is a bunch of account plugins on top of telepathy-haze | 22:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which is an already existing connection manager (cm) that bridges telepathy and libpurple (pidgin) | 22:06 |
| ZogG_N9 | so? | 22:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i.e. he didn't write anything to do with telepathy | 22:06 |
| ZogG_N9 | thats what he used | 22:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | right, he used something, he didn't write a connection manager | 22:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | tgalal needs to write a cm | 22:06 |
| ZogG_N9 | oh | 22:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | sazpaimon has been working on a telepathy-based steam chat integration, but it's using a modified telepathy-haze plus an existing pidgin/purple plugin | 22:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so that's a no go too | 22:07 |
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| ZogG_N9 | =/ | 22:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | maybe look at the code for some existing telepathy cms, like telepathy-gabble, telepathy-butterfly, telepathy-haze, etc. | 22:07 |
| tgalal | itsnotabigtruck: ok here is something | 22:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in fact you could probably fork one of those and gut it out | 22:07 |
| ZogG_N9 | might be good idea | 22:08 |
| tgalal | yeah that's what I'm thinking of | 22:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also check out the open source version of telepathy-ring | 22:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | telepathy-ring is the phone/sms telepathy integration | 22:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | however the open source one isn't the same as the one on the n9, and it isn't complete either | 22:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it might be something to look at | 22:08 |
| tgalal | but telepathy-gabble is xmpp, right? | 22:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | tgalal: yeah | 22:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's not the xmpp that extraplugins uses, it's the xmpp that the google talk plugin uses | 22:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | telepathy-butterfly is msn and i think it's written using telepathy-python | 22:10 |
| tgalal | itsnotabigtruck: so it would be possible to modify it and then it would happily get integrated nice and easy, right? | 22:10 |
| ZogG_N9 | http://osdir.com/ml/kde-commits/2011-09/msg06791.html | 22:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | tgalal: something like that, i assume the modifications would be pretty extensive but it's something to start with | 22:10 |
| ZogG_N9 | maybe this is relevant? | 22:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_N9: er, why | 22:11 |
| tgalal | itsnotabigtruck: if both are xmpp, why would it be extensive? | 22:11 |
| ZogG_N9 | it's related to delivery info | 22:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | tgalal: i thought that whatsapp was some sort of proprietary modified xmpp | 22:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also if it doesn't support multimedia conversations you need to take all that out | 22:11 |
| ZogG_N9 | error on dilevery but there is time of delivery | 22:11 |
| ZogG_N9 | itsnotabigtruck, it is modified xmpp afaik | 22:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_N9: it's a change to a gui that the n9 doesn't use | 22:12 |
| ZogG_N9 | we need to find out where it takes info from | 22:13 |
| ZogG_N9 | and than use it, as it uses telepathy | 22:13 |
| tgalal | since we're at it, I was wondering how much illegal would this be eventually? | 22:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | tgalal: not very | 22:14 |
| ZogG_N9 | i think it might be | 22:15 |
| tgalal | how so? | 22:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you aren't careful you might break the EULA for whatsapp or something, which would be breach of contract | 22:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which isn't a crime but in theory you could get sued or something | 22:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it might be advisable to do a "clean room reverse engineering" arrangement | 22:15 |
| ZogG_N9 | what is xmpp license btw? | 22:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | where person A tears apart whatsapp, and person B uses documentation from person A to redo it | 22:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | xmpp is an open standard | 22:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no license required | 22:16 |
| ZogG_N9 | whatsapp is paied app u know | 22:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_N9: you have to pay to create an account | 22:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | presumably this program will only work with an already-created paid account | 22:16 |
| ZogG_N9 | and you use their servers and they send u sms | 22:16 |
| ZogG_N9 | i have old acc | 22:17 |
| ZogG_N9 | didnt pay for it coz it was free than | 22:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, the above is legal advice, i'm not a lawyer | 22:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but ZogG_N9: don't make claims that "oh yeah it's illegal" if you have no idea whatsoever about how it would be illegal | 22:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and | 22:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | "illegal" itself is a fuzzy concept | 22:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | erm, the above is NOT LEGAL ADVICE | 22:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 22:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | bad typo there | 22:18 |
| ZogG_N9 | with todays sues =) | 22:18 |
| tgalal | lol | 22:18 |
| tgalal | ZogG_N9: whatsapp is free for the first year and then you have to pay | 22:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i still don't understand why there's all this demand for whatsapp...there is literally nothing it offers over the alternatives | 22:19 |
| jaywink | hey ... harmattan qml question if anyone knows .. any ideas how to launch an application settings page from QML? I've already got the settings stuff done via gconf but would like to add an icon to my app toolbar | 22:19 |
| ZogG_N9 | tgalal, wasnt like that, i got n9 just when they started to make this «pay after one year» | 22:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | besides a built-in userbase, but you can always strongarm your contacts into switching :p | 22:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's a glorified im service | 22:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and there's no other popular im service that charges fees | 22:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's ludicrous | 22:20 |
| ZogG_N9 | itsnotabigtruck, tell it all my friends | 22:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_N9: tell them to use google talk, or ebuddy xms, or /anything/ | 22:20 |
| tgalal | itsnotabigtruck: same here | 22:20 |
| ZogG_N9 | itsnotabigtruck, i can tell them but would they? | 22:20 |
| ZogG_N9 | just it was one of first | 22:21 |
| ZogG_N9 | like windiws thing =) | 22:21 |
| ZogG_N9 | windows | 22:21 |
| tgalal | ZogG_N9: true! | 22:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_N9: well, it's not like it's unusual to use multiple im programs | 22:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nor difficult to install another one | 22:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | somebody got those same contacts signed up for whatsapp | 22:23 |
| ZogG_N9 | it is if all your friends have it and u r not geek | 22:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | when they were using something else before | 22:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jaywink: exec duicontrolpanel maybe? | 22:24 |
| ZogG_N9 | that tell me why most laptops have preinstalled windows | 22:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_N9: changing OSes is difficult | 22:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | installing a program is not | 22:24 |
| ZogG_N9 | itsnotabigtruck, it was free for a long time | 22:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | those have absolutely nothing to do with each other | 22:24 |
| ZogG_N9 | itsnotabigtruck, same idea | 22:24 |
| ZogG_N9 | for some apple fa..ns it is difficult | 22:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then next time you see them put xms on their phone or something | 22:25 |
| * itsnotabigtruck shrugs | 22:25 | |
| ZogG_N9 | btw xms is hardly working =( | 22:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, apparently the n9 ver relies on nokia's push messaging system which isn't working that great | 22:26 |
| ZogG_N9 | uninstall nokia acc, reboot, readd it - worked for me | 22:27 |
| tgalal | itsnotabigtruck: so, what about sending images/ vidoes/voice notes in the native UI? | 22:29 |
| tgalal | videos* | 22:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | tgalal: well, it has to be supported somehow because mms is integrated too | 22:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that might be going into more uncharted territory so you might end up needing to reverse engineer more than just whatsapp, but it's possible | 22:30 |
| tgalal | itsnotabigtruck: I never saw it, even with fremantle | 22:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | tgalal: i haven't tried sending an mms yet, but when i recieve an mms, it comes up as a thumbnail inside the messaging ui | 22:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you tap it and it opens the photo | 22:32 |
| tgalal | I gotta look into that too | 22:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | as for sending the stuff, might be necessary to have a sharing framework plugin, that's probably what you were looking into when you joined here | 22:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | as it stands if i try to send a photo i get: Twitter, Multimedia message, Bluetooth, NFC | 22:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so i guess you'd add one more to the list | 22:34 |
| tgalal | itsnotabigtruck: would possibly work, if it could use the same open connection | 22:35 |
| tgalal | but when I came here I wasn't looking for sharing framework plugin | 22:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, i assume you'd have your plugin set up to send something through your telepathy backend | 22:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh, i assumed you were since your link was to a thread about it | 22:35 |
| tgalal | I was looking into how to have an app integrated with contacts, like twitter where you have a twitter button for your contacts | 22:36 |
| tgalal | tapping the button opens twitter app | 22:36 |
| tgalal | ah for that thread I was referring the post by aflegg | 22:36 |
| tgalal | he's trying to acheive something similar too. | 22:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh, an accounts plugin | 22:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you probably need both | 22:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so it'll be like | 22:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | meego sharing framework -> telepathy <- accounts-ui plugin | 22:37 |
| tgalal | I imagine that would be possible | 22:38 |
| tgalal | is accounts plugin different from accounts-ui plugin? | 22:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | blueslee: no issues heard of, with om-kernel1.2 | 22:45 |
| jaywink | itsnotabigtruck, oh hmmm ... maybe I'll just make my own page for settings with QML and just store them in GConf - will probably work out faster :P thanks anyway | 22:49 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | tgalal: nah, same thing | 22:58 |
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