IRC log of #harmattan for Friday, 2012-03-16

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DocScrutinizernew SDK ISO:
DocScrutinizermany thanks to the one donating it, dunno if he wants to stay anonymous, so due credit will follow00:07
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itsnotabigtruckrzr: have you put ad-hac through its paces?00:19
RzRitsnotabigtruck: what should it do to test , i am not having 3g now only wifi00:29
RzRi tell you tomorow if there are side effects...00:30
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RzRitsnotabigtruck: btw donno if you noticed but i pushed redak-0.4.000:31
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itsnotabigtruckrzr: oh cool, i'll throw it on and do an approval00:39
itsnotabigtruckrzr: and re ad-hac it's not urgent, just do the approval soon00:40
itsnotabigtruckremember to tick the box at the top00:40
RzRu mean you want me to rate it ?00:40
itsnotabigtruckrzr: no, you don't need to rate it00:40
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itsnotabigtruckclick the Community QA button00:40
itsnotabigtrucktick the box at the top00:40
itsnotabigtruckverify that everything else is correct00:40
itsnotabigtruckthen hit the button00:40
RzRi am rebooting my phone to make sure it does00:41
itsnotabigtruckrzr: also you should probably start bugging anyone and everyone to fill it out for your app00:41
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RzRitsnotabigtruck: i think there is a bug, the published by ... is not updated from previous version00:44
RzR23:40 < itsnotabigtruck> click the Community QA button00:46
RzRwhere ? on the website or the app ?00:46
RzRfound it00:46
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itsnotabigtruckrzr: yay, it's in00:56
itsnotabigtrucki hope all those i don't know marks don't count against it...i'm not 100% sure how this process works00:57
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RzRitsnotabigtruck: is that process more or less restrictive than ovi ?01:01
itsnotabigtruckrzr: well, it's just different01:02
itsnotabigtrucki know that with 6 perfect approvals you can get in, i'm not sure how the other scenarios are handled01:02
itsnotabigtruck"Once the application receives 6 positive reviews and the quarantine period has expired, the application will automatically be moved to Apps"01:03
RzRyou're right i thought it was only 6 rates ...01:03
itsnotabigtruckit depends on how "positive" is defined01:03
RzRthat's what i read on the meego wiki01:03
itsnotabigtruckif "positive" means you ticked the box at the top, then it shouldn't be an issue01:03
itsnotabigtruckjust need 2 more01:03
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RzRi need 6  Community QA01:06
RzRbecause if i have read right mine does not count01:06
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itsnotabigtruckit might :p01:08
itsnotabigtrucki didn't review mine because it didn't seem very sporting, heh01:08
RzRi did just to check if it was working01:08
itsnotabigtruckit's probably easier to get things that ovi would approve, approved for ovi, compared to afm01:09
itsnotabigtruckunless you can rally a whole bunch of people to approve your app01:09
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itsnotabigtruckand as it stands, hardly anyone knows you can approve apps01:09
itsnotabigtruckyay, prosciutto sandwich status = ready01:09
itsnotabigtruckok, i'm loading redak now01:15
itsnotabigtruckrzr: menu > about doesn't work01:16
itsnotabigtrucker, wait, i didn't realize it loads a text file with the about info01:17
itsnotabigtruckso it does work01:17
itsnotabigtrucker, except: loading the about screen trashes the current file, even if it has modified contents01:18
itsnotabigtruckunless i'm missing something that's a pretty bad bug01:18
itsnotabigtruckalso, the exit button seems to also unconditionally exit immediately01:23
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itsnotabigtruckprobably a good idea to not have that be so prominent01:23
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RzRitsnotabigtruck: yea missing confirm popups , I put this in my backlog01:26
RzRthx for testing anyway01:27
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itsnotabigtruckbtw @everyone01:32
itsnotabigtruckif you use any of the apps in there, make sure to approve them01:32
itsnotabigtruck(e.g. waze, meecast, gpodder, musicshelf)01:33
itsnotabigtrucki haven't approved many things because there's kind of a shortage of things i'm interested in there - more people need to get submitting :(01:33
itsnotabigtruckvery few a-grade apps01:34
Enforcergpodder costs on ovi store right?01:39
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itsnotabigtrucknot sure01:41
Enforcerhmm, ovi store isnt working for me01:42
Enforcerpretty sure its the 2nd app i have installed from ovi store that now wants $ to update to newer ver01:42
Enforcerok, says maitenance01:43
Enforcerstore app says network problem01:43
itsnotabigtruckEnforcer: it looks like it does cost in the store...i think the author of gpodder has been charging for his stuff there01:43
itsnotabigtruckbut releasing as oss elsewhere01:43
itsnotabigtrucksort of makes sense really, you can get it for free if you're in the know01:43
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M4rtinKkinda like this concept :)01:45
Enforcerthe other app thats asking for money now i'm pretty sure isnt available elsewhere01:45
diorahmanM4rtinK: what's that?01:46
Enforcerqad file manager maybe01:46
itsnotabigtruckyeah, i think he made a pretty penny from that, it was popular in the ovi store for a while i think01:46
itsnotabigtrucknah, all the qad stuff is someone else01:46
Enforcerknew it wasnt by thp01:46
M4rtinKfree from Apps for MeeGo (thus promoting it) & cost some trivial amount in Ovi :)01:47
itsnotabigtruckbtw M4rtinK Enforcer diorahman: any chance you guys could load up ad-hac, make sure it doesn't implode your n9/50, and approve it in afm?01:47
M4rtinKwould be also interesting to compare download statistics for a free vs paid application01:47
itsnotabigtruckif you have time01:47
M4rtinKI'm not in US01:48
itsnotabigtruckad-hac isn't so useful if you're outside the US but you can still verify it doesn't have side effects01:48
M4rtinKso I'm not sure that I can reasonably test it :)01:48
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M4rtinKok then :)01:48
Enforcerwhich PR does ad-hac need?01:48
itsnotabigtruckM4rtinK: well, i'm pretty sure more than 6 people have successfully used it in the US01:48
itsnotabigtruckthis is just a formality to make it over the 6 tester threshold on afm, because it seems like no one enters qa approvals on their own01:49
M4rtinKand you can test the Mieru version testing & fill in the testing report :)01:49
diorahmanI'm not in the US either, but it seems cool01:49
itsnotabigtruckheh, why not01:49
itsnotabigtrucki'm not an anime guy but i'll check it out01:49
M4rtinKshould work with any images :)01:50
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itsnotabigtrucker, s/anime/manga/01:51
itsnotabigtruckM4rtinK: on the next update make sure to get rid of that dangling "support for" in the desc01:52
itsnotabigtruckalso consider adding a package-manager icon (64x64 icon in the apps list)01:53
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M4rtinKitsnotabigtruck: you mean "support for automatic previous/next chapter loading" ?01:54
M4rtinKor somewhere else ?01:54
itsnotabigtruckM4rtinK: right at the top, after the short description01:55
M4rtinKyou don't have an app manager icon with 2.2.3 ?01:56
M4rtinKI have it with 2.2.29 - must have changed something :)01:57
Enforcererr, 2.2.3 would be older than 2.2.2901:57
M4rtinKyeah, I did quite a few "builds" due to transition from pysisde asistant to sdist_maemo & Ovi tweaks01:58
itsnotabigtruckM4rtinK: oh, the version in afm is out of date? republish it before anything else01:58
itsnotabigtruckrepublishing will reset the approvals so don't solicit approvals if you're planning on swapping it out01:59
M4rtinKwell, there are non so far :D01:59
itsnotabigtruckright, but i was preparing to add one :p01:59
M4rtinKoh, there are01:59
M4rtinKwhat now :D02:00
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itsnotabigtruckah yeah, there's 202:01
itsnotabigtruckeh, just republish anyway and get more approvals02:01
itsnotabigtruckalso some of the ui text doesn't appear to be in nokia pure (or the same nokia pure variant everything else uses?)02:01
itsnotabigtruckhas that been changed since the afm version?02:02
M4rtinKI've also remembered what other issue I have fixed in the build after 2.2.302:02
M4rtinKit now has proper single instance behaviour02:02
M4rtinKquite important I would say02:02
itsnotabigtruckah yeah, i was just about to mention that02:02
itsnotabigtruckok, well anyway, just say when it's updated in afm02:03
itsnotabigtruckand put in that ad-hac approval! :p only 2 to go02:03
M4rtinKBTW, where exactly should I look for the dangling "support for" ?02:03
itsnotabigtruckM4rtinK: debian/control but you may have fixed that between the current version and what i downloaded02:04
itsnotabigtruckcheck the cryptych link above02:05
itsnotabigtrucklook immediately below Description:02:05
itsnotabigtruckmost of the stuff in there is copied directly out of your debian/control file so it should be easy to find02:06
M4rtinKits fixed in 2.2.2902:08
M4rtinKeq I see it in 2.2.3 but not in 2.2.29 :)02:08
M4rtinKbtw, your app installed fine02:08
M4rtinKbut I don't see it anywhere :)02:09
M4rtinKis it just some background tweak ? :)02:09
itsnotabigtruckM4rtinK: that's the point - it operates transparently02:09
itsnotabigtruckit's actually just a config file and some postinst/postrm hooks02:09
javispedroso I was wrong with d-bus ignoring cred checks when in open mode02:09
M4rtinKno need to clutter the app screen then :)02:09
M4rtinKdoes it need openmode ?02:10
itsnotabigtruckM4rtinK: if that's @me, nope02:10
javispedroseems that it does check creds, dunno why (doing something else atm and triggered an access denied error)02:10
itsnotabigtruckthough if d-bus ignores cred checks in open mode it won't work02:10
itsnotabigtruckbecause ad-hac actually works by using dbus aegis policy02:11
M4rtinKstarting the hotspot app now02:11
javispedrothe default is actually to allow any access02:11
javispedroso if you want to get it to be pretty open just deleting all of the aegis generated policy snippets in /etc/dbus/*.d should work02:12
DocScrutinizerdbus config is a pain in the back02:12
javispedro(note: not _all_ of them are aegis generated, and you'll probably break something if you delete those)02:13
javispedroeither way, I moved the positioningd one out of the way and now my nfs binaries can make calls to t02:13
javispedro*to it02:13
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itsnotabigtruckjavispedro: you could just assert the proper credentials02:15
M4rtinKworks OK with ad-hac installed02:15
itsnotabigtruckeither via opensh/aegis-exec or a manifest or whatever02:15
javispedroitsnotabigtruck: "unprotecting" positioningd is much easier and permanent =)02:16
itsnotabigtruckjavispedro: but the aegis-aware way is more proper, works on inception, etc.02:17
itsnotabigtruckand being aegis-aware is rarely that difficult02:17
M4rtinKhotspot still works after uninstalling Ad-hac :)02:17
javispedrobeing aegis aware is _imposible_ when I'm throwing random binaries via NFS02:17
itsnotabigtruckM4rtinK: yay02:17
M4rtinKitsnotabigtruck: feedback sent :)02:22
M4rtinKalso, the Mieru package has been updated :)02:22
itsnotabigtruckM4rtinK: awesome, thanks02:24
itsnotabigtruckthat's 5 out of 602:24
itsnotabigtruckand is it building or is it actually in02:24
itsnotabigtrucklooks like it's in as of 8 mins ago02:24
itsnotabigtruckerm, it isn't actually published in the repo yet though, guess i need to wait02:25
itsnotabigtruckhm, it seems that the deb is published, but Packages hasn't been updated yet02:26
M4rtinKat least in the web UI it shows the correct version02:27
M4rtinKI think I found a bug in the Apps client02:28
M4rtinKsearch for ad-hac, click on the first result, shows OK02:28
itsnotabigtruckM4rtinK: yeah, it's in as of a few mins ago, i didn't realize it wouldn't show up in the updates list on my phone because i forgot i uninstalled mieru already02:28
M4rtinKsearch for Mieru, click on the first result, shows ad-hac :)02:29
itsnotabigtruckinstalling new version now...02:29
javispedrogrr there is some town in spain called "garray" and of course google loves to put anything about it first because it figures out (geoip) that I'd like to know more about that town than GLib's GArray02:31
M4rtinKfor some reason doesn't seem to happen for other searches :)02:31
javispedro(no offense to garray people =) )02:32
itsnotabigtruckM4rtinK: just fyi i'm not sure if the description (in the current version) would be formatted correctly according to debian guidelines02:34
itsnotabigtrucktwo space prefix = <pre> type behavior, afaict02:34
itsnotabigtrucknot sure how line breaks are handled02:34
itsnotabigtruckbut two space lines are supposed to be never wrapped02:35
itsnotabigtruckanyway, looks like it's fully compliant so just a moment...02:36
itsnotabigtruckalso, lol javispedro02:36
itsnotabigtruckM4rtinK: approved02:37
M4rtinKthanks ! :)02:37
itsnotabigtruckbeford: hey beford02:38
itsnotabigtruckany chance you could install verify it doesn't implode your phone, and approve it?02:38
befordi could02:40
M4rtinKitsnotabigtruck: what description layout do you use ?02:42
M4rtinKthe plan debian one ?02:42
M4rtinKeq. Description: short_description02:42
itsnotabigtruckbeford: there's one approval between ad-hac and promotion to main, so it would be really awesome :)02:43
itsnotabigtruckto approve, just log into a account, click community qa, tick the box at the top, make sure everything in the form is correct, and hit submit02:44
itsnotabigtruckM4rtinK: i'm doing02:44
befordi could but02:44
itsnotabigtruckDescription: short description02:44
befordi just did02:44
itsnotabigtruck long description02:44
itsnotabigtruckbeford: haha, indeed02:44
befordwas testing the new poc for RDP flaw, crashed my vm :D02:45
itsnotabigtruckM4rtinK: anyway, that got mangled, point is - short description right after Description:, then long description, in prose format (not bullet points), indented with exactly one space02:45
itsnotabigtruckfor paragraph breaks, a full stop (.) indented with one space02:45
itsnotabigtruckline breaks inside paragraphs are ignored02:46
itsnotabigtrucknote that neither the afm website nor the client actually do the proper processing of debian descriptions, they just spit out the raw text02:46
itsnotabigtruckso what's conformant with the debian spec, isn't what looks pretty on afm02:46
itsnotabigtruckbullet points are probably ok but i'm not sure what the correct way is to make them look pretty02:47
M4rtinKit seems app manager takes the first nonempty line and and takes it as the short description02:47
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M4rtinKand (correctly) interprets two spaces as a new line02:48
itsnotabigtruckappsformeego just promoted version 0.1 instead of version 1.002:50
befordsh*t happens02:51
itsnotabigtruckwhich has an ugly icon/screenshot that didn't end up looking the way i'd hoped02:51
M4rtinKwow, that's pretty bad :)02:51
itsnotabigtruck(the actual payload is the same, but i'd rather it look nice on the site too)02:52
M4rtinKBTW, if you want to force an order to the screenshots02:53
M4rtinKjust name them alphabetically :)02:53
itsnotabigtruckthis is very strange02:53
itsnotabigtruckit promoted 1.0, then it immediately afterwards promoted 0.1 over it02:54
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M4rtinKlets see what actually shows up in stable :)02:55
M4rtinKinteresting that 0.1 even got retained somehow02:56
M4rtinKBTW, anybody else willing to test Mieru, the manga & comic book reader ? :)02:57
itsnotabigtruckjust PM'd x-fade, hopefully he'll have some time to look into it tomorrow02:59
befordjust link us M4rtinK02:59
befordmy n9 is finishing charge02:59
befordnot sure wth happened today, I was in class using 3g and it drained the batery really fast... just like 2 hours03:00
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M4rtinKor the package page:
itsnotabigtruckM4rtinK: it already showed up in stable, as 0.103:02
itsnotabigtruckthe problem seems to be with the auto-promotion bot03:02
M4rtinKis there some bugtracker for AFM ?03:02
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itsnotabigtruckno clue03:02
beford hehe nice image03:04
M4rtinKlol, the maintenance blog is also under maintenance :)03:05
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merlin1991I have a problem with installing a .deb after downloading it, I've compiled openrdate into a nice package (including an aegis manifest) that installs nicely from the commandline via dpkg -i03:18
merlin1991but if I download it with the brower and open it the device reports invalid package03:19
merlin1991deb can be found here:
merlin1991any ideas?03:19
M4rtinKtry to download it with browser03:19
M4rtinKand install it with dpkg03:19
M4rtinKto check if the browser is not somehow corrupting it ?03:19
merlin1991that works aswell03:19
M4rtinKmaybe the version number ?03:20
merlin1991I've purged the package before trying to install it via browser03:21
M4rtinKOvi prescribes just 3 numbers separated by .03:21
M4rtinKmaybe the browser checks that ?03:21
merlin1991worth a shot03:21
merlin1991as far as I understand it pkgmrgd rejects the package03:22
merlin1991now if I'd know why :/03:22
merlin1991M4rtinK: got a link to the ovi regulations about version numbers?03:23
M4rtinKalso got an error from browser installation03:24
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M4rtinKand there is also a 5O page PDF i discovered just now: :P03:27
merlin1991holy shit 50 pags :D03:27
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M4rtinKactually looks quite interesting :D03:28
M4rtinKregarding numbering, basically this: [major-#].[minor-#].[micro-#] is used, where [major-#] is mandatory. #.#.# or #.# or #, where # is string03:29
M4rtinK{0–9}, <50 characters.03:29
M4rtinK50 decimal places, interesting :)03:30
M4rtinKthat should handle Chrome for quite a while :)03:30
M4rtinKwell, its not actually decimal places, but still :)03:31
merlin1991hm new version number and a lil sanitized packaging, lets see03:32
merlin1991still not working though03:33
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M4rtinKcan't the packaging daemon be somehow invoked from CLI ?03:35
itsnotabigtruckM4rtinK: yes03:35
itsnotabigtruckpkgmgr install-file -f foo.deb03:35
itsnotabigtruckmerlin1991: try using that03:35
itsnotabigtruckalso if the problem is with downloading the package, make sure it's being served with the right mime type03:35
merlin1991is it going to tell my why?03:35
itsnotabigtruckmerlin1991: it might, the debug output isn't so hot but try it anyway03:36
merlin1991comes as application/x-deb as far as I can tell03:36
itsnotabigtruckalso what happened to your download03:36
merlin1991ovi compliant version number --> new package03:36
merlin1991though that one is broken currently03:36
merlin1991build left out the binary for some reason o_O03:36
itsnotabigtruckalso, ovi allows the package revision field03:37
itsnotabigtruckbut you shouldn't have a package revision if your package doesn't have an upstream03:37
itsnotabigtruckso you can either do03:37
itsnotabigtruckor x.y.z03:37
merlin1991it has an upstream :D03:38
itsnotabigtruckok, then include the package revision03:38
itsnotabigtruckmaking it 1.2.0-103:38
merlin1991upstream saw no update in 4 years though xD03:38
itsnotabigtruckthen the version should be forever stuck at 1.2.0, but you can keep incrementing the package revision03:38
merlin1991but currently I'm scratching my head why debhelper started to ignore the configure script03:38
itsnotabigtruckalso add a plus component before the package revision03:38
itsnotabigtruckthough...does ovi allow that stuff03:39
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itsnotabigtruckin theory your package would become something like openrdate_1.2.0+merlin6-303:39
itsnotabigtrucklong paste incoming03:41
itsnotabigtruckThe package file name must include the application name followed by a three-digit version number, for example, myapplication_1.0.1.deb. The name must start with an alphanumeric character, letters must be lower case only, and the version number must be separated by periods. Only the following characters are allowed: (0-9), (+), (-) (.), and (_).03:41
itsnotabigtruckmy interpretation of that is: anything goes as long as it's a valid debian version AND starts with 3 numeric components03:41
itsnotabigtruckmerlin1991: got it figured out?03:49
merlin1991currently fighting against debhelper03:49're submitting a time daemon to ovi?03:49
merlin1991no rdate is just a fire and forget ntp / some other protocol client03:50
itsnotabigtruckwell, that's what i mean by a time daemon03:50
itsnotabigtruckit's not really a "user application"03:50
merlin1991well this one is not running in the bg03:50
merlin1991you run it to sync the clock and then you let it drift again :D03:50
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itsnotabigtruckoh, i thought by fire and forget you mean it keeps running03:51
itsnotabigtruckmore like one-shot03:51
itsnotabigtruckwhy would that be desirable? weird :p03:51
itsnotabigtruckalso gsm time sync seems to work ok03:51
merlin1991not with my operator03:51
merlin1991does not send the data  fsckd thing03:52
merlin1991well my main use is to set the clock after having reflashed03:52
merlin1991why can't dh_auto_configure call autoreconf by itself :/03:54
merlin1991that's the reason I had no binary anymore, I purged all the generated files from the git history since they don't belong there and suddenly the build process didn't have a configure and therefore ignored the binary part :D03:55
itsnotabigtruckmerlin1991: add override_dh_auto_configure03:56
merlin1991I did03:56
itsnotabigtruckand have it do autoreconf, then dh_auto_configure03:56
merlin1991that's what I did03:56
itsnotabigtruckoh ok :D03:56
itsnotabigtruckanyway, since this isn't a huge project, i'd suggest going with the x.y.z-w numbering03:56
itsnotabigtruckwithout the +merlin stuff03:56
itsnotabigtruckwhich would only be if you touched the upstream source beyond what's in the .debian.tar.gz03:57
merlin1991hm my webserver feeds it as application/x-debian-package04:01
merlin1991Error: Package 'openrdate' version '1.2.0-1' is not user package04:02
merlin1991section error maybe?04:02
merlin1991currently it has no section set :D04:02
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merlin1991damn can't find the sections list04:03
merlin1991silly dev-library is impossible to use04:04
merlin1991especially since the packaging info is spread over several independend pages04:04
itsnotabigtruckuser/utilities i guess04:04
itsnotabigtruckyou have to use one of those or you can't submit to AFM04:04
itsnotabigtruckovi doesn't care as long as it starts with user04:04
merlin1991I remember there was a page in the dev library that described the avaiaible sections04:07
merlin1991yep a proper section of user/utilities did the trick04:08
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merlin1991itsnotabigtruck: another question though, apart from all the *.in and *.m4 files what else can I purge from the source that gets generated by autoreconf?04:11
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merlin1991okay if anyone is interested, working package can be found here:
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AndrewX192itsnotabigtruck: why does root $PATH not include /sbin?04:36
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itsnotabigtruckAndrewX192: not really sure04:38
itsnotabigtruckit depends on whether you ssh or use meego terminal04:38
itsnotabigtruckmerlin1991: not sure...and i think debian source packages are usually shipped already autoconffed04:39
itsnotabigtruckand merlin1991: i thought the in and m4 files are exactly what you have to keep04:39
merlin1991it's am -> in and m4 -> next steps04:40
merlin1991though m4 wise I only know about aclocal getting generated04:41
merlin1991other files you have to keep afaik04:41
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AndrewX192itsnotabigtruck: hm, yes. I'd like to fix the meego terminal if possible04:46
AndrewX192itsnotabigtruck: meego terminal uses the user "user", whereas SSH uses the "developer" user04:47
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lucidoupstart stop stopped working: stop: Name "com.ubuntu.Upstart" does not exist08:42
lucidoon: /usr/bin/aegis-exec -s -u user /sbin/stop apps/digimedaemon08:42
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djszapilucido: why would you use it that way ?09:11
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djszapidoes this library make sense on harmattan ? perhaps in usb host mode, or not even that ?10:16
djszapiSpeedEvil for instance ^10:17
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djszapiHi! If I have this inside the Image element: visible: gallowsSeriesCounter == 0 ? false : true; and I set it to false explicitely at some point in the program. What is the expected result in the program after that: 1) always false 2) back to true once the gallowsSeriesCounter changes and not to zero ?10:59
lucidodjszapi, actually I use it as "/sbin/stop apps/digimedaemon" in my prerm script to stop it before uninstall, is that wrong?11:01
phakodjszapi: always false. Explicit assingment removes bindings11:02
djszapiphako: yeah, got the answer on #qt-qml already, but thanks :)11:02
djszapilucido: nah, it is ok...but that is not what you said above...11:03
lucidodjszapi, `seems to work alright if I run it via apt-get remove digime from devel-su shell11:05
djszapiyes, you do not need the aegis-exec stuff for that11:06
djszapithat was a mistake.11:06
djszapialso, to be precise, you do not need the whole path for stop11:06
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djszapiphako: interesting I cannot bind like this: property boolean gallowsSeriesImageVisible: gallowsSeriesCounter == 0 ? false : true;11:18
djszapiohh it is "bool".11:19
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Anssi138i think it should cast it properly or just !!gallowsSeriesCounter11:21
matrixxAnssi138: the problem was the definition of the property, it's type bool, not boolean :)11:22
Anssi138matrixx: thanks darling. :)11:22
matrixxyou're welcome :)11:23
djszapiAnssi138: true, but I like being explicite. I do not know verbosity is my style. :)11:24
djszapimmh...the binding can only be done at the initialization, and not later ?11:28
djszapigallowsSeriesImage.visible = gallowsSeriesImageVisible; -> I tried to put it back after setting the visibility to false, but apparently it remains whatever gallowsSeriesImageVisible is at the time of the assignment, no matter that changes later.11:29
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djszapiperhaps I shall use PropertyChanges ?11:32
alteregoAnyone know if there's any frameworks for setting alarms?11:33
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alteregoWell, I want to have an alarm that can invoke a process.11:33
Leeks912Hello. Could someone advise me? I'm developing a qt/qml app and I would like the volume keys to adjust the system volume. Currently when I press them they adjust the profiles.11:35
alteregoLeeks912: somewhere around here is what you're looking for:
djszapiLeeks912: I use something like this: [stream]11:39
djszapiexe      = khangman-harmattan11:39
djszapigroup    = game11:39
djszapiLeeks912: check out the groups and adopt it.11:39
djszapioopsie, sorry, this is different...11:40
ieatlinthmmm, less than a day until it's time to start binge drinking11:41
alteregoIn fremantle you used to have to set an X11 property, I wonder if it's done in a similar fashion on Harmattan.11:41
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djszapialterego, Leeks912: On Harmattan they decided to have the profile switch as default action for those keys. The adjustment is done by sysuid's volume indicator. If you want to enable media volume changing (there's no "system volume") for the HW keys, you can classify your application as a game.11:45
djszapiYou can achieve that by adding a file in your package, with the classification, and put it to /usr/share/policy/etc/syspart.conf.d/yourappname.conf with content: [classify gaming] /opt/yourappname/bin/yourappbinaryname11:45
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djszapiAlternatively you can use policy awareness, it will enable the media volume always for players and games that use libresource/libresourceqt.11:46
djszapiAlthough this extra file to Debian package will do the same for policy-unaware applications.11:46
djszapiWe did try to convince the UI designers to have media volume as default action for unclassified applications, but they did want it like it is at the moment.11:47
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djszapiThis media volume meaningly is the volume property for streams classified as x-maemo.11:48
alteregoThat's mostly documented in the link I posted on qtresource11:50
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alteregoJaffa: ping11:55
Leeks912thanks for the advice. I guess the next step is to find out how to add that conf file into the package11:56
Khertanalterego: 100% packet lost11:56
Khertani ve some question about qml ...11:56
djszapiLeeks912: I have a working example.11:56
Khertanhow to restrain the size of a label11:56
Khertanto one line11:56
Khertaneven if text is longer ?11:57
alteregoYou want to use elide11:57
Khertanelide ... huM ... let see documentation11:57
djszapithat is what faenil asked last time too11:57
alteregoIt's quite a common query isn't it :)11:57
KhertanQuestion 2 : i know that FolderModel (the folderlistmodel the labs plugin) return folder path as file:///wonderfull/folder11:58
Khertanhow can i extract the path ? (/wonderfull/folder) as it s a string and not an qurl i can't use .path() method11:58
Leeks912djszapi: what kind of an example?11:59
djszapifor the packaing.12:00
lucidowhat additional debian/control fields are used in harmattan?12:00
djszapilucido: see the packaging documentation about harmattan on the sdk page.12:01
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alteregoKhertan: I'd just use the string replace function and replace 'file://' with ''12:01
djszapinot all, but most of them should be documented.12:01
Khertanalterego: yeah it s a solution ;)12:01
Khertanalterego: it s more a workarround :)12:01
lucidodjszapi, the documentation is missing:
Leeks912djszapi: can I take a look?12:02
alteregoKhertan: well, like you said, there isn't any file path tools in QML/Javascript ;)12:02
Khertanalterego: i didn't say there is any ... just that i know any :)12:03
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* Khertan really hate canonical unity 12:04
* djszapi is at the Mer SDK meeting, but ....12:06
djszapilucido: You looked at the wrong document.12:06
djszapiLeeks912: check out kanagram or khangman on c-obs12:06
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Khertanif i understand : ElideLeft is suppose to truncate start of the string, isn't it ?12:15
alteregoKherten, indeed.12:16
Khertanbut doesn't appear to be the case12:17
Khertanit s elideRight and didn't put '...'12:17
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mtdanyone ever run SQLite's VACUUM command on the N950/harmatta's tracker db?12:23
* mtd keeps hitting 12:26
_MeeGoBot_Bug 245 maj, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, REOP, CPU 100% tracker contacts merge12:26
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djszapianybody willing to test a hangman game ? :)13:51
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rigowhat is a hangman game?14:06
rigomtd, if this is copied from kdepim or from evolution (tracker sounds like evolution), then probably, your database with metadata has lost integrity and starts to try to recover from that but doesn't manage to14:07
djszapiI think if you do not know this, you were not child :p14:07
rigoI have no games on computers14:07
djszapihangman is not really a computer game originally...14:08
rigooh, I see now... They play it at the radio here14:09
rigonot my cup of tea14:09
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rigomtd, to fix, _backup_ the entire metadata-system and restart from scratch while losing all your metadata (state etc)14:10
rigowith the backup, you can restore if it wasn't the database integrity14:10
djszapirigo: do not be so negative publicly :)14:12
rigohey folks, djszapi has created a really nice hangman game for Android and is now promoting it in the Harmattan channel! You should really buy that for only $$ 200!14:14
djszapihuh ?14:14
rigojust kidding14:14
djszapiit is for Harmattan...14:14
djszapiand completely for free...14:14
rigothen it is worth $$ 30014:15
rigostill kidding14:15
rigoI can try if you want14:15
rigonow lunch14:15
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paanybody coding python for N9?15:19
mtdrigo: I'm talking about harmattan, for N950; if I start over, then I lose a lot of info I don't want to15:20
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mtdrigo: I'm thinking of backing up (of course)< then running VACCUM; and seeing what happens15:20
* mtd is not sure if it can be run online15:20
mtdpa: yes (N950 though)15:20
pamtd, do you do on windows?15:22
pai am having some troubles understanding how to package on windows15:22
paon linux i undesrtood there is pyside-assistant that does it for me15:22
alteregoSome pure QML stuff I'm working on:
alteregoJust rectangles and shaders.15:22
mtdpa: on linux; I'm not on debian so pyside-assistant doesn't work :(15:23
paah i see15:23
mtdpa: sorry, don't know much about windows-land15:24
mtd(for N9, anyway)15:24
pabut do you package by hand or with some hand made scripts?15:24
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pamtd, also do you use the emulator? or you just run on the device?15:25
mtdpa: I use scratchbox and the device15:25
mtdpa: I prefer the device15:25
mtdpa: I did have the emulator running in scratchbox once, but with python I don't see much point15:25
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mtdpa: I ssh in to the device and voila15:25
paoh ok, thanks15:26
pafor the tips :)15:26
mtdpa: there is someone else who does python around here, IIRC15:26
mtdpa: well let me know any you find :)15:26
pai didnt know scratchbox, luckily googling for that i found a nice post15:27
mtdpa: it's basically a whole debian install15:28
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itsnotabigtruckpa: specifically you want the "harmattan platform sdk"15:28
mtdpa: there seems to be some debate between "scratchbox" and "scratchbox2"15:28
itsnotabigtruckis there a way to generate a debian source package in qt creator15:31
itsnotabigtruck(not just a binary package)15:32
itsnotabigtruckhow are all the qt creator users packaging their things for OBS/AFM15:32
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itsnotabigtruckhaven't run into this myself yet since i've been doing it oldschool with dpkg-buildpackage -S15:33
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matrixxitsnotabigtruck: once I had to package on windows and I made it using git bash, git archive to the tarball and created .dsc manually with some md5/SHA1 tool15:36
Venemo_N950hi everyone!15:36
Venemo_N950hey matrixx :)15:37
matrixxVenemo_N950: hi o/15:37
matrixxitsnotabigtruck: that thing was for OBS/AFM15:37
itsnotabigtruckmatrixx: that sounds pretty unfun15:37
itsnotabigtruckqtc uses dpkg-buildpackage under the hood15:37
itsnotabigtruckso it ought to be possible to just do a build and change -b to -S somehow or something15:38
matrixxit's actually quite fast when I got the workflow15:38
paah thanks guys!15:38
panow i understand what is this "platform sdk" :)15:38
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Venemo_N950itsnotabigtruck, good news: this weekend I'll have time to improve IRC Chatter :) I'll probably take your advice too!15:38
Venemo_N950matrixx, are there any news about the devaamo summit?15:41
matrixxVenemo_N950: call for presentations will be open soon15:42
Venemo_N950matrixx, it will be in English, right?15:43
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Venemo_N950do you think I should go there?15:43
matrixxabsolutely yes :)15:43
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matrixxwe had a great event last time (meego summit fi)15:44
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matrixxI don't expect this to be any less :)15:44
Venemo_N950I still need to find someplace where I could "couch surf" :)15:44
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matrixxVenemo_N950: either that, or the hotel rooms are not expensive either. There's a Dream Hostel in Tampere, which has rooms with something like 20-30 euros per night15:45
Venemo_N950what would you recommend?15:46
matrixxthe cheapest are like dormitories varying from 4 - 16 people15:46
Anssi138summit web pages:
matrixxVenemo_N950: probably difficult to couch surf with organizers since we have work late and get up early, but if you know other people from Tampere, both options are great :)15:47
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Anssi138matrixx: maybe it would be nice to add some hotel info etc.15:47
Venemo_N950Honestly, I'd much rather stay at another community member who I trust than at a random hostel. but I'll still need to think about it15:47
Venemo_N950€20 doesn't sound like a lot.15:48
matrixxAnssi138: yeah, need to do that15:48
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Venemo_N950Anssi138, yeah, I already checked out the website :)15:50
Venemo_N950matrixx, well, I only know those people there who I talk to on IRC or Twitter :P15:51
matrixxVenemo_N950: I guess they are all organizers :P15:52
Venemo_N950matrixx, it's possible... :P15:52
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Venemo_N950I'll also need to practice my English, otherwise you all will be laughing at me :P15:54
Venemo_N950matrixx, I have another silly question: is there anything interesting to do until 19th? that's the earliest flight after the event.15:57
matrixxI dunno, there might be some events but I don't know yet, it's kinda early15:58
Venemo_N950any nice places I should visit or sights to see? :)16:00
matrixxTampere has a pretty wicked amusement park Särkänniemi at least16:01
matrixxif you like such :)16:01
Anssi138local pubs16:01
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Venemo_N950Anssi138, I'll ask your advice on those :P16:02
Jeffrey04does anyone know what is wrong with TMO? it seems to be down a couple of hours ago16:02
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Anssi138Venemo_N950: i am not so good at those, but ofc i know few. :)16:03
Venemo_N950not so good? I don't believe that! :P16:04
Anssi138i don't have any friends so i just stay inside and code :)16:09
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Venemo_N950btw, how ridiculous is this? during the same period, the Harmattan version of my app received 86 downloads and the WP7 version 11 downloads.16:12
itsnotabigtruckmaybe on wp7 there's more competition16:14
Venemo_N950I'll submit it to the Symbian Ovi Store as well, I'm quite curious about the numbers.16:14
itsnotabigtrucklooks like there's a new radio app in the ovi store that looks nice but it costs $2 :/16:14
Venemo_N950itsnotabigtruck, nope, the competition sux on both platforms.16:14
Venemo_N950itsnotabigtruck, mine is the only puzzle app which supports multitouch rotation :) at least I haven't seen any other16:15
kozzi_maybe because it doesn't have boobs16:15
Jeffrey04itsnotabigtruck: erm, is the radio app the same as those seen in the fm rx/tx thread @ fmc?!?16:15
Venemo_N950kozzi_, nah, the real problem is that it doesn't have cat pictures in it.16:16
kozzi_cat with boobs will get you atleast 9001 dls16:16
Venemo_N950I don't even understand how I could release a jigsaw puzzle app without cat pictures16:17
Sivaitsnotabigtruck: Hi.. After installing inception, should I able to edit say.. /etc/init/ssh.conf?16:17
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Venemo_N950hey djszapi :)16:18
djszapikhangman for tests:
djszapiyou can find screenshots in there, if you would like to check those out first before trying.16:18
* djszapi is about to push to Ovi after fixing the minor mistakes caught by the tests.16:19
Venemo_N950I'm on a train at the moment16:20
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Jeffrey04djszapi: downloaded, but it is not launching ...16:26
Jeffrey04nothing happens after tapping it lol16:27
djszapiJeffrey04: hmm, have you tried it from command line ?16:27
djszapito see the issue.16:27
Jeffrey04how do i start from command line?16:27
pais there any way, from any of the browsers for N9 (so stock, firefox, opera) to open a link with an application (e.g., a video player)?16:28
Venemo_N950anyway, goodbye! see you later guys :)16:29
fralswell, if its rstp:// or similar that are defaulting to open in video player it should happen automagically in grob at least16:29
Jeffrey04djszapi: it says "error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"16:29
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pafrals, no, just an http link16:30
fralspa: dont think so in that case16:31
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paneed to check if launchy extension is compatible16:31
X-FadeYou can register the handler in a .desktop file.16:31
paah really?16:31
pabut then what? will the action be prompted?16:32
gabriel9|workfor every fm radio i need to pay :(16:32
X-FadeCheck how we did it in the apps client.16:32
X-FadeWhere we listen for apps://16:32
paapps client16:32
palet me search16:32
djszapiJeffrey04: you caught one stupid mistake of mine, missing external lib delivery :)16:32
fralsX-Fade: doesnt help if pa wants it to happen on a http:// link, or am I misunderstanding what he wants?16:33
X-Fadefrals: Well depends on what he wants, not really clear from the description :)16:34
pabasically i want to open audio and video files with ovp or video-suite16:34
Jeffrey04lol, wait, lemme grab my n916:38
Jeffrey04is there something like gnome-open for n9?16:39
fralsxdg-open (or whatever its called)16:39
Jeffrey04frals: thanks :)16:39
djszapiJeffrey04: oh, I thought you had N9 around.16:39
Jeffrey04it's ok, just went back to my room to grab it lol16:40
djszapiit might be that libxcursor is still missing, but I can update that, too.16:41
Jeffrey04lol, soooo slow… mebbe should register an a/c @ minus.com16:44
Jeffrey04seems to be working so far16:49
djszapiJeffrey04: have you run it from the app launcher ?16:50
Jeffrey04from app launcher16:50
Jeffrey04djszapi: so far seems to be working, anything u want me to test16:52
djszapinot much, I am interested in feedback though16:52
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Jeffrey04would be nice if you have qwerty layout instead of alphabetical order tho lol16:55
djszapiJeffrey04: it is not a keyboard16:56
djszapiit is an alphabet16:57
djszapiif I wanted to have keyboard, I would use the vkbd16:57
djszapithough, that would consume half of the screen16:57
Jeffrey04the category i am selecting is clothing16:57
djszapiso there would be no space for the important stuff16:57
Jeffrey04but the questions are all animals16:58
djszapiyou mean after reopening ?16:58
djszapihave you closed the application and reopened ?16:58
djszapithat is a known issue, yes.16:58
djszapinobody complained about that in kanagram :)16:58
djszapiso I thought I do not fix it here either.16:59
Jeffrey04didn't notice that there16:59
djszapiuntil users complain.16:59
djszapiactually it seems a simple fix, let me try something.16:59
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itsnotabigtruckneed to travel, adios17:27
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djszapistupid freenode17:39
gabriel9|workit is better then pigeons :P17:43
psycho_oreoshey, don't mock the rats in the sky ;)17:44
djszapiJeffrey04: could you please verify the bug fix ?
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Jeffrey04seems to be working17:57
Jeffrey04gotta sleep, needs to wake up in 5 hours :/17:58
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javispedroI noticed that on the n950 it seems that the gps is connected directly to soc instead of cellmo, line in N810 days18:09
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javispedroand that n810's gpsdriver = n950's "nped"18:09
javispedroand nped probably means "Nokia Positioning Engine Daemon"18:12
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djszapihas anybody ever succeeded with a grf request ? I am especially interested in that if there is any person not giving up in the first place :)18:15
Corsacwhat's grf?18:18
xmlich02BTW knows someone if i need to specify some aegis credentials to use QProcess class ?18:20
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djszapiit has nothing to do with qprocess itself.18:20
djszapiit is dependant on the process it runs I guess.18:21
faenildjszapi, using Symbio's pen at uni these days :D18:22
djszapifaenil: :)18:23
djszapithe sinking boat...18:23
faenilreal pen I mean :D18:23
djszapiI know, I probably offered you one in Munich18:24
djszapior you took it yourself :)18:24
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xmlich02well, i have simple program which starts new process (new process is just writing an log file) and i am not able to run it on harmattan18:26
djszapiyou can write the home directory obviously as root for instance18:27
djszapiso make sure you run the process as user.18:27
xmlich02i am logged in as a developer18:31
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faenildjszapi, yeah got it in Munich D18:31
xmlich02the strange think is i can run the script manually, but not from c++ program.  see
xmlich02I guess i miss some aegis permissions18:32
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xmlich02I was using QProcess instance; instance.startDetached(). This function changes the pid of child process. When I am using start() it is working. Maybe it is problem in PID change18:47
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Araneldoes anybody know where EA savefiles (nfsshift) are stored? And any good lpm mods that I should know? :)18:55
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thpitsnotabigtruck, Enforcer: gpodder is available in ovi store for pay and on for free19:20
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Anssi138is it possible to add own user to n9 ?19:24
Anssi138like adduser jnejne19:25
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djszapiN9Anssi138, yes19:32
Anssi138it works just like that?19:32
djszapiN9how much sense it makes ? not much.19:32
Anssi138friend asked19:33
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Anssi138ofc you want to make djszapi user ? :)19:34
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Anssi138and i don't actually have device so it's difficult to test19:34
Corsacn9 is not a multiuser device19:35
djszapiN9nah, i do not wanna.19:35
Anssi138because it used to be linux.19:35
djszapiN9the design is entirely against unix in this sense for obvious reasons.19:36
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Anssi138what's the reason for user control if there is not possible make user :)19:36
Anssi138hm. aegis had some command i think.19:36
djszapiN9I do not understand this question.19:37
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Anssi138djszapiN9: you mean how to add new user in harmattan ? :)19:42
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teleshoesAnssi138, hes saying that the problem with adding new users is not an aegis or harmattan problem, but an inherent problem on a phone19:44
teleshoesphones dont lend themselves well to multi-user platform designs19:44
teleshoesi dont really agree, tho19:45
djszapiN9Anssi138, just check the channel log. It was discussed many times19:47
faenildjszapiN9, you sent me a pm and disappeared :D19:47
* djszapiN9 would not like to through the same bikeshed19:47
djszapiN9faenil, yes, i was off to shopping19:48
faenildjszapiN9, well you asked me something :P19:49
djszapiN9yes, 'sup19:49
faenildjszapiN9, what am I supposed to test? I tapped random letters and it seemed to be working19:49
djszapiN9any feedback is welcome19:49
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Anssi138is there any keywords that i should look from logs?19:51
faenildjszapiN9, it's very nice :D19:52
faenildjszapiN9, but I actually wanted to see the man there, not a red X :D19:52
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djszapiN9Anssi138, adduser or useradd ?19:54
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djszapiN9faenil, sorry but i would like to avoid a hanging man for kids.19:56
faenildjszapiN9, yeah I know, just joking ;)19:56
faenildjszapiN9, but anyway, I guess kids draw a hanging man when they play that game :P at least I used to XD19:56
djszapiN9no violence in here, sorry.19:57
djszapiN9please satisfy your morbid needs with something else :)19:57
faenildjszapiN9, aahahah XD19:57
faenilwe used to draw arms and legs one at a time when playing that game :)19:58
faenilwhat did you use to do? :)19:58
faenildjszapiN9, anyway, nice graphics ;) it's a nice game :)19:59
mgedmindjszapiN9, tested it, seemed to work fine19:59
djszapiN9nacked cute girls :)19:59
faenildjszapiN9, ahahahaha419:59
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djszapiN9mgedmin, cool then I push to ovi :)19:59
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pado you know whether h264 in mp4 (or m4v) or mkv format can be streamed over rtsp, and whether N9 can open it?20:49
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npmhmmm funny overflow/rollover in birthday calendar reminder: "Starts: March 18, 2011... Ends: Feb 8 1875" ...21:00
npmPS... coming soon.... (wip)21:02
SpeedEvilnpm: Looks like fun. I guess you want an 808 to play with?21:03
djszapiif I make such a binding for a property in qml, when is the onSelectedIndexChanged signal handler called ? "selectedIndex: khangmanEngine.currentLevel();" I thought it is called only once, but apparently not ?21:06
djszapiit is a standalone Q_INVOKABLE method, and that is all. I am experiecing that in my Selection Dialog, the signal handler is entered once I run my application, and that is strange to me even if it has a valid reason. I would like to know that. :)21:07
djszapiI should probably call it onCompleted as a Component or so instead ?21:08
djszapiI do not quite understand why it is not only initialized, and why the signal handler is emitted :/21:12
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koehi everyone21:14
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djszapiso this is the question: what is the difference between "selectedIndex: khangmanEngine.currentLevel();" and "selectedIndex: 2;". I thought none of them should emit the signal handler since I thought they are just different type of initializations, but still: it is called in the first case, thus why is that different ?21:20
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koei've got one too. does N9 has unlocked bootloader?21:26
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pais there no python-gdata for harmattan?21:29
pathere is for maemo21:29
trxdjszapi i am not sure about this, but the list is probably created with index -1, then when you show the list(run the app) it changes to whatever you set it to21:31
trxthats why it emits the signal21:31
djszapitrx: nah, it is initialized with whatever you set it too21:32
djszapithe question is that why is it initialized plus changed with an invokable method retval21:32
matrixxprobably bindings work a bit differently than constant expressions21:35
matrixxcan't figure out a valid reason though21:35
trxi have no idea without testing it out21:35
djszapime neither; I think it is a use case, you save it when you close the app, and show the same element when you re-open it.21:35
djszapiand for that, you need to have an invokable accessor.21:36
djszapionly thing coming to my mind is a Component and completed signal, but not sure why the current version does not work.21:36
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djszapiqml experts needed :)22:34
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npmSpeedEvil: (belated reply "I guess you want an 808 to play with") -- yes please22:55
SpeedEvil808 with maemo on would be nice. Seeming slightly unlikely though22:56
npm808 w/ symbian is fine, thank you :-)22:56
npmhold the windows phone though :-)22:57
npmdjszapi: "khangmanEngine.currentLevel();" will get called each time 'khangmanEngine' changes ?23:00
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npm"selectedIndex: 2;" has same declarative value at initialization as it does throughout life of app, doesn't change23:01
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