IRC log of #harmattan for Thursday, 2012-03-15

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DrGrovAnyone else got the phone charging over night?01:01
DrGrovI wonder, I got the "act-dead" mode when I started charging now. I wonder what happened... It was before switching power on and then started charging. Not getting into "act-dead" mode at all, just now.01:01
SpeedEvilIf it's very flat, you don't go into act-dead01:02
SpeedEvilIt goes to act-dead once it's at ... 3v?01:02
SpeedEvilif you plug it in01:02
DrGrovHi SpeedEvil01:02
DrGrovSpeedEvil: I have no idea at what it was now when I turned it off and started charging it.01:03
DrGrovPerhaps around 45% or something like that, not 100% sure though01:03
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DrGrovSpeedEvil: How do you have your charging on the N9/N950? You leave it over the night charging even though it would be full much earlier?01:05
DocScrutinizerI suspect improper usageof terms01:05
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DocScrutinizerMy devices sit there 'charging' for literally months01:05
DrGrovHi Doc01:06
SpeedEvilI charge mine when it beeps typically01:06
DrGrovSpeedEvil: Ok, then you leave it in for a longer time even?01:06
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DocScrutinizerlonger than me? nah!01:07
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Have you noticed anything on the battery quality due to your charging cycles?01:07
DocScrutinizeractually N9(50) is doing way better than N900 in that regard01:07
DrGrovOk, thanks for clarifying that for me. I thought it might be an issue but now I am confident about it since a lot of users tend to leave it in for long times even without losing battery quality.01:08
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DocScrutinizerDrGrov: one caveat: you should lock the screen01:10
SpeedEvilDrGrov: I have one charging cable01:10
SpeedEvilDrGrov: So I typically swap it between my n900 and 95001:10
DocScrutinizerwell, on N9 there's no way not to lock it01:10
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Lock the screen? Yes, I keep it locked when I charge. Now when it is in "act-dead" mode I just got that battery icon showing up.01:14
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Or do you mean that I can lock it some other way as well?01:14
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DrGrovDamn I love the green Monster energy drink, I got a 24 x 0,5L case last week... Mmmm....01:16
DrGrovWell, thanks DocScrutinizer and SpeedEvil for the comments and replies01:18
DrGrovI am off to get some sleep01:18
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djszapiX-Fade: p11:35
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djszapijreznik: p12:06
djszapithe color stuff is a huge bike shedding :)12:07
djszapiin KDE, that is.12:07
jreznikdidn't have time to touch it but I have commit rights :) from distro perspective it's good to have it12:08
djszapijreznik: I mean oyranos and colord12:09
jreznikyeah, I know12:09
jreznikI promised hughsie to help with but dantti has been super fast to work on it :)12:10
jreznikand yeah, the fighting is not a bad...12:10
djszapijreznik: I have not seen this long thread from the nothing appearing on k-c-d for quite a while.12:11
jreznikI talked to Kai-uwe at fosdem but then everything changed...12:12
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* djszapi wonders nobody proposed to fix the insane qt command line options for Qt5...12:14
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GAN900Is there a way to change the xterm font?12:45
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jonniGAN900: there is no xterm in harmattan.13:05
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GeneralAntillesjonni... Right. So, is there any way to change the terminal font in Harmattan? :)13:16
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djszapiIs it possible to define the source of an image this way: source: "gallows" + gallowsSeriesCounter + ".png"; where gallowsSeriesCounter is an integer property ?13:23
gabriel9it should work in JS13:27
djszapiI do hope you realized it is not the js part :)13:27
gabriel9no :)13:27
gabriel9in which part is this13:28
djszapiImage { id: myImage; source: ... }13:28
gabriel9hm you can do something like this source : function() { return  "gallows" + gallowsSeriesCounter + ".png"}13:29
gabriel9i gues13:29
Anssi138djszapi: isn't it working?13:29
djszapiAnssi138: nah, otherwise I would not ask :)13:29
gabriel9does my example work?13:29
djszapigabriel9: yes, of course I can set the source outside, but that is not the intention here.13:30
djszapiit is about a simple binding, but I guess it should work.13:30
Anssi138unless you have foobared some image paths or something.13:30
djszapinot sure, what I am doing wrong, the console.log thingie shows the incremented stuff.13:30
djszapiAnssi138: huh ?13:30
gabriel9i must try this:  source : (function() { return  "gallows" + gallowsSeriesCounter + ".png"})()13:32
gabriel9djszapi is this working?13:32
gabriel9i don't have qt here, and i wonder is this also ok13:33
djszapiI tried such hacks earlier, when the binding did not work, but usually the script either.13:33
djszapithe problem was always somewhere else.13:34
Anssi138actually it's javascript more or less so it should work.13:34
djszapiok, I caught the mistake.13:34
jonniGeneralAntilles: font size is just pinch gesture, font family is just recompilation away.13:35
gabriel9anyone know is there a way to remove borders and rounded corners from textarea?13:37
gabriel9they are ugly13:37
gabriel9i notice this also on Redak app13:39
jonnigabriel9: most likely you can change platformStyle property of TextArea13:47
jonnias if I remember right its not readonly13:48
rlinfatiDocScrutinizer, ping13:49
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gabriel9jonni thanks i will check it out13:54
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Khertangabriel9: i have a workarround14:13
Khertangabriel9: i didn't remove them :)14:14
Khertanjust hide it, as remove the plateformStyle remove copy/paste bubble too14:14
Khertangabriel9: look at KhtSimpleText (the textarea borders are hidden)14:14
gabriel9will check14:15
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gabriel9i'm no expert in this so i ask you: if i wish to write pareser for text which is faster: C++ or JS14:23
gabriel9in qml14:23
Corsacdon't write a parser14:24
Corsacuse an existing one14:24
Corsacif you write one, it'll buggy and full of security issues14:24
Corsacparsing is *hard*14:24
fluxI would be surprised if C++ were slower than Javascript for that. also, C++ probably has better tools.14:25
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fluxI mean, parsing formats othern than XML or JSON with javascript is probably quite a rare task.14:26
gabriel9this needs testing14:26
gabriel9but it should provide usefull data14:27
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gabriel9in nokia maps app we can download maps and use it offline15:00
gabriel9can we use that cashed maps in our apps?15:00
gabriel9or only nokia have accses to that15:01
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gabriel9day :)15:10
jonnigabriel9: yes you can use, there should be even qml example how to use maps data in sdk documentations.15:13
gabriel9that is really nice15:14
gabriel9will search for it later15:14
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gabriel9omg is there greater nightmare then event driven programming with JS(large scale projects) -_-'16:07
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lucidoheello, 1.2 update broke my app, now it cant be removed because it says it's not closed, is there a way around this?16:10
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rigolucido, have you tried rebooting your phone?16:16
MohammadAGit's not closed?16:17
lucidorigo, yes I have, but my contains a demon that is launched on boot16:17
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lucidorigo, prevously I used the prerm script of the deb package to stop the daemon but this new check precedes that16:18
rigohm, this goes beyond the things I could debug remotely16:19
jonnilucido: why dont you just disable the autostart from the application and then uninstall?16:21
lucidojonni, because the user wouldn't know what to do16:22
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djszapibef0rd: ping16:22
jonnilucido: atleat if I would be app user, and see not closed error message, I would go into application and close all daemons.16:24
jonniatleast even16:24
lucidojonni, what application is that?16:24
jonnilucido: your application, ie application that user tries to uninstall16:24
lucidopeople dont even know that daemons exist16:25
djszapianybody with Mac here ?16:25
djszapiit uses the same command line argument structure like Unix right ?16:25
jonnilucido: is it ovi store app, or something else?16:25
lucidoit is16:25
lucidojonni, ovi store app16:26
jonnilucido: ovi store content guideline 1.3.pdf  chapter "If application uses the auto-start feature to launch when the device is turned on, the application must include an option to disable/enable the auto-start feature.16:27
jonnilucido: if your app does not provide that functionality then QA should not have passed the app16:27
lucidojonni, I see and I can add that easyly but all the same its by far not trivial for a normal user to remove the app16:28
rigodjszapi, depends on which parts you're working on. AFAIK, it has a complete BSD system (SysV-Unix) and the Apple interface on top of it16:30
jonniwhats the exact not closed error message, I can do a small grep search to sources, and maybe enter internal bug report if its some regression that pr1.2 did16:30
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rigojonni, if you're at it, the package virtuoso-opensource-6.1 in SDK is borken. It tries to do an ln -s virtuoso-opensource-6.1 virtuso in /etc/init.d/16:33
rigowhich is protected by aegis, so it can't complete16:33
jonni"not closed" string is not atleast found in package-manager16:33
lucidojonni, moment16:34
rigoand this is the only thing holding up installation of Kontact Touch16:34
jonnirigo: first define SDK? :) qtsdk which has the pr1.0 rootstrap?16:34
lucidojonni, "The application is still running. Please close it first."16:35
rigodeb harmattan/sdk free non-free16:35
rigono, its in the other repo16:37
rigoso wrong channel16:37
rigobut I still wonder how it can install virtuoso-opensource-6.1 as a script-file but not the link16:37
itsnotabigtruckgabriel9: isn't there a maps widget you can integrate into your apps?16:38
itsnotabigtrucki'd assume it loads cached maps if possible16:38
rigoother repo meaning deb ./16:38
gabriel9i don't know16:38
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gabriel9i tried to find it but no luck, and i did not search alot16:39
gabriel9i will check it tonight16:39
itsnotabigtruckgabriel9: i'm positive there's a widget, the question is whether it meets your reqs16:39
jonnilucido: and I bet that you meant to replacec still-word with currently-word?16:40
jonnias I can only find hits with "currently running"...16:41
itsnotabigtrucklucido: so the problem is that package-manager finds a window from your app open and decides not to allow it to be removed?16:41
itsnotabigtruckeven though you have a prerm hook that is supposed to kill it?16:41
lucidojonni, "still" is correct16:41
itsnotabigtrucklucido: is that a translation or the original text16:41
jonniah might be translations... but I found the place in code I think16:41
lucidoitsnotabigtruck, original16:41
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lucidothe implementation of the daemon is via a qdeclarativeview that is hidden16:42
lucidoI know its less than ideal but...16:42
itsnotabigtrucklucido: might be best to fix that instead16:43
itsnotabigtruckdaemons shouldn't have windows, period16:43
itsnotabigtrucki think qt provides a message loop system for non-graphical applications16:43
lucidowhat do you mean by "window"?16:44
itsnotabigtrucklucido: well, it sounds like you're creating a window in X16:47
lucidoif there was a window it would show in the task manager screen of the swipe ui16:47
itsnotabigtruckunless it's a hidden window16:48
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jonnilucido: I checked a code, there is a check if there is any ui proesses related to package running. If not, it terminates all other non-visible processes releated to package.16:49
lucidojonni, thanks, how is a ui process identified?16:50
jonnilucido: so should work on most of the times, unless your app uses hidden view which is tought to be running ui16:50
lucidojonni, well it has a qdeclaraiveview in hidden state, maybe I should delete the view and recreate it on demand16:51
jonnilucido: its identified by callind /usr/lib/package-manager/exec_checker, in uninstall case it gets -p packagename -t as arguments16:52
jonnicalling even16:52
lucidojonni, thank you, now I'll have to revrite the app and write a separate app just for removing the old version lol16:54
lucidogood times16:54
jonniif ui is not detected then that -t flag kills all non-ui processes releated to package16:54
jonnibut its a feature in pr1.2 which helped uninstall cases on lot of packages, so most likely there is no point of creating a but report, as it will not fall into the critical showstopper category16:56
jonnidaemons should be daemons and not hidden qdeclarativeviews (tm)....16:56
MohammadAG_1 ^16:57
lucidook ok16:57
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rlinfatiFYI: Harmattan PR1.2 sources: ; it's 2012-7 version17:31
rlinfatithe  30.2012.03-5_sources.iso was the 2012-3 version (n950 vs n9 version)17:31
rlinfatithe diferences are in
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itsnotabigtruckis there a way to make package-manager log?17:54
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xmlich02hi, i am trying to compile my project with scratchbox, but the MDeclarativeCache file is missing. PKGCONFIG += meegotouch-boostable is not working18:15
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phakoxmlich02: do you use additional pkgconfig stuff?18:25
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phakoxmlich02: make sure PKGCONFIG += meegotouch-boostable is the last one you add18:26
xmlich02i do not use additional pkgconfig stuff18:27
phakothen I don't know :)18:27
xmlich02i removed the qdeclarative-boostable from project file and scratchbox compiles it18:29
RST38hOh yessss
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merlin1991burn ittttttt18:48
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rigostrange, harmattan doesn't implement the >> pipe19:25
rigopermission denied19:25
rigoit seems to try to overwrite instead of appending to the file19:26
RST38hcan't be19:26
rigobut it can very well be that I'm a moron making a stupid mistake19:27
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rigoyes, moron, root is not root19:28
rigoyesssss, aegis, we all love you :)19:30
rigochmod 664 file doesn't change permissions19:30
leinir*nods* You must unlearn what you have learned ;)19:31
rigoand this is the key for my kontact-touch issue. The script runs as some user and can create the file. But then it can't change the file anymore19:31
jonni>> pipes are supported just fine19:33
rigoyes, but the entire permission system has turned into a mess :)19:34
itsnotabigtruckyeah, that would be extraordinarily weird if >> pipes weren't supported, since that's a pretty fundamental kernel/libc/bash/etc thing :p19:35
jonnivery simple, if your users you can pipe to user files, if your root you can pipe to root file, root cannot messa user files19:35
rigosolution to issue above: do apt-cache depends kdepim-mobile >>/dependencies.txt as user, not as root19:35
jonniwell / dir is owner by root so ofcourse you cannot write there, as you cannot write there in any linux system19:36
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rigojonni, nice, but I created the file as root by saying apt-cache depends kmail-mobile >>/home/user/MyDocs/kdepim-mobile-dependencies.txt to actually create the file on the 50G partition19:37
rigobut the file on /home/user/MyDocs was created as a user file19:38
rigonot as a file from root. Despite the fact that it was root who issued the first pipe and created that document19:38
rigovery funny concept.19:39
mgedminit's a VFAT filesystem19:39
mgedminit has no place for storing owership information19:39
itsnotabigtruckyeah, everything in MyDocs is always owned by user afaik19:40
rigooh my, yes, I'm a moron. The only PC software to interact with your linux phone is only running in windows and the filesystem is VFAT *bummer*19:40
mgedminif you want to support USB mass storage, you gotta use VFAT19:40
mgedmin(or NTFS, I suppose)19:41
rigoha, good reason!19:42
mgedminwell, if you want to support USB mass storage _that works with Windows machines_19:42
jonniits mounted as uid=2999919:42
itsnotabigtruckright, vfat = inferior and works with everything19:43
rigomgedmin, otherwise you would have to provide a driver CD for Windows with the Software and the EXT/2 driver for Windows19:43
itsnotabigtruckwhich is a lot better than the alternative of no support (besides that hacky driver) for windows at all19:43
rigobut in the end, just a matter of learning curve19:43
itsnotabigtruckbut if you're confident you won't be mounting it on windows, i'm sure there's a way to get it formatted to ext419:43
itsnotabigtruckwell, of course there is, i'm just not 100% sure what you have to change to make it mount correctly19:44
rigoitsnotabigtruck, I haven't found fdisk19:45
rigoand as it is flash storage, you better get TRIM support19:46
rigoto avoid wearing it out19:46
itsnotabigtruckrigo: looks like you can do it without incepting, even19:46
rigobut kernel is
itsnotabigtrucka) edit /etc/fstab and change the filesystem19:46
itsnotabigtruckb) mount it on your pc and format it19:46
itsnotabigtruckc) dismount and reboot the phone19:46
rigoand my laptop with SSD has 3.3.0-rc3-419:47
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rigooh, they killed Kenny!19:47
rigosorry, Infobot19:48
jonnimgedmin: actually usb mass storage doesnt not have that limitation, like android uses usb mass storage off ext4 partition, just needs to use fuse19:50
jonnivfat was just some management decision :)19:51
mgedminjonni, I'm nt convinced19:51
rigojonni, mgedmin is part of the management :)19:52
mgedminwhat I mean, is: [citation needed]19:52
mgedminfuse lets you mount arbitrary filesystems implemented in userspace19:52
mgedminif you want to provide a writeable VFAT image over USB mass storage given an ext4 backend, where does fuse come it?19:53
itsnotabigtruckyeah, FUSE is a no go19:53
itsnotabigtruckyou'd have to actually emulate a block device19:53
jonniheh, I have my mailthread somewhere in my archives... let me see if I can find the pointers19:53
itsnotabigtrucknot just a filesystem19:53
itsnotabigtruckso you'd need to have a magical device that looks and acts like a fat filesystem to the host pc, but everything gets mirrored over to the real ext4 filesystem19:53
mgedminnewish android devices seem to be using MTP instead of mass storage19:54
itsnotabigtruckcomplicating things is that the host pc *could* write anything anywhere19:54
mgedminsince MTP works (badly) on file level, and not on block device level, that lets those devices use ext4 on the backend19:54
itsnotabigtrucke.g. what happens if you try to reformat the mass storage device19:54
itsnotabigtruckor overwrite it with /dev/urandom19:54
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itsnotabigtruckalso mgedmin: doesn't the N9 have mtp too?19:57
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itsnotabigtruckdoes it let you browse files, or only transfer media content19:57
mgedminno, N9 has mass-storage19:58
jonniah yes, my memory is bad, it was MTP which works in ext3/419:58
itsnotabigtruckmgedmin: i thought it has *both*19:59
itsnotabigtrucksync and connect = mtp + a bunch of other things19:59
mgedminI didn't know what!19:59
itsnotabigtrucki'm not 100% sure though...19:59
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mgedminI could dig out my USB cable and experiment20:01
mgedminbut I hate cables20:01
mgedminwhen will we finally get wireless charging please?20:01
mgedminor batteries that last for months, instead of 12 hours?20:01
itsnotabigtruckjonni: hrm...that /sdcard business cancels out most of the advantages of not using vfat anyway :p20:02
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jonniwireless charging...
itsnotabigtruckdefinitely helps with the uneven partition problem though20:03
itsnotabigtruckhm, it seems like inductive charging is always been months away, for a long time20:03
itsnotabigtrucki mean, you can do it right now, it's just not practical since it's not integrated into anything, for one20:03
itsnotabigtruckand it looks like this is yet another "ingenious" scheme to bilk travelers :/20:04
jonninoticed that one in helsinki airport20:05
itsnotabigtruckyou know what's better than "wireless charging stations"? power outlets liberally spread throughout the airport :/20:06
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mgedminah, the fuse trick is to strip ext4 permission checks when apps try to access /sdcard on android!20:12
mgedminlolfail: "With the unified storage model we introduced in Honeycomb, we share your full 32GB (or 16GB or whatever) between app data and media data."20:12
mgedminI've this android tablet with honeycomb (now ICS, but the fail was in honeycomb) that complained about running out of disk space for app updates20:12
mgedmindespite 8 gigs free on the data partition20:13
mgedminincidentally, do all android devices suck so badly, or is it just my archos g9 tablet?20:13
macmaNmgedmin: whats wrong with it?20:13
macmaNand are you running Mer on it yet?20:13
mgedmincrashy crashy apps20:13
mgedminapp switching loses context (you were reading this browser page? sorry, I'll just reload it for you)20:14
mgedmingoogle reader app randomly refreshes and jumps back to the top of the post while I'm reading it without touching anything20:14
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djszapibeford: ping20:15
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RST38hmgedmin: Archos is kinda custom so it sucks more thanmost20:16
RST38hIn general though, they all suck in some degree, especially if you are unwilling to deal with it20:17
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ZogG_laptopsup babes20:37
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itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: how goes your imgur project20:43
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djszapiN9beford, just let me know when you are back.21:10
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paitsnotabigtruck, wasnt it you asking about who was using FCam?21:54
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itsnotabigtruckpa: yeah22:00
paitsnotabigtruck, do you know whether it exist some sort of ovp for camera? some open camera project?22:00
itsnotabigtruckpa: ovp?22:01
paopen video player22:02
paif not, maybe we should think of starting such a replacement using FCam22:05
itsnotabigtruckpa: what does that have to do with cameras?22:06
pathe project as such, nothing22:06
pathe concept, everything22:06
paan open source replacement for the stock camera app22:06
itsnotabigtruckjust to be sure, you're talking about this, right:
itsnotabigtruckwhich is a toolkit for putting video embeds in web pages22:06
itsnotabigtrucknot taking pictures22:07
paim talking about a media player22:07
RST38hOVP is a video player for harmattan22:07
RST38hwhich unfortunately stutters when showing subtitles22:07
RST38hkinda useless because of that22:07
itsnotabigtruckoh, this:
itsnotabigtrucker, too late22:07
paRST38h, still better than the stock one22:08
pathat stopped dropping frames in 1.222:08
itsnotabigtruckbtw how much force does it take to remove the USB lid22:08
itsnotabigtruck(without damaging the N9 itself of course)22:09
gabriel9what do you want with that?22:09
RST38hnot a lot when you do it carefully22:09
itsnotabigtrucki've got a replacement lid coming in soon (i bent my current one)22:09
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jonniitsnotabigtruck: not that much, there is youtube video how to dismantle n922:09
gabriel9it is on russian22:09
gabriel9but you can watch :)22:09
befordand learn russian22:09
itsnotabigtruckheh, i'll look for it22:09
itsnotabigtruckwas just wondering because i tried to take it off to unbend it before, but it wouldn't budge22:10
jonniitsnotabigtruck: you just need to have it on right angle, 90ยด22:10
itsnotabigtruckah, that was probably it, it probably wasn't precisely aligned22:10
jonniif you googlesearch Nokia_N9_RM-696_Service_Manual_L1L2_v1.0.pdf you get pdf with exact instructions how to dismantle it fully.22:12
itsnotabigtruckheh, already looked at that22:12
itsnotabigtruckfor the usb lid it basically says "pull it out"22:12
jonniit says open it fully and then pull if I remember right, or then it might be shown on youtube video. Anyways I've removed and replaced the lid on few devices, and it doesnt need that much power.22:13
jonniwhen your replacement part comes, you can look at that and you will have an idea how tight it is22:14
gabriel9is there format code in QT creator?22:15
jonnigabriel9: you mean indent?22:15
gabriel9to automaticly22:15
gabriel9do it22:16
jonnictrl+a ctrl+i   if I remember right22:16
gabriel9thanks jonni22:16
gabriel9it works22:16
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itsnotabigtruckhmm, just tried that home screen settings app - very cool22:21
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gabriel9it is nice23:00
gabriel9do you have lags?23:00
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gabriel9hi RzR23:03
gabriel9did you push changes to Redak?23:03
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itsnotabigtruckgabriel9: seems not23:15
itsnotabigtruckafm still on 0.223:15
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gabriel9do i need initialPage when i use tabGroup?23:20
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petterimy first qml app for N9: it is image viewer23:24
gabriel9nice :)23:24
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gabriel9did nyone use ffmpeg for video converion? If so can you give param for N923:25
RzRgabriel9: just pushed now23:25
RzRgabriel9: i am looking for n900 owners to test it as well23:25
mgedminI want a Chrome2Phone client for the N923:26
gabriel9can you give me URL?23:26
gabriel9on github23:26
gabriel9to get sourve23:26
gabriel9thanks i will check it23:28
gabriel9also where can i show you icon?23:28
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RzRgabriel9: I trust you :)23:28
RzRgabriel9: you can email a svg file to rzr@gna.org23:28
Venemo_N950hey guys23:29
RzRhi Venemo_N95023:30
npmdoes this make me a bad person: "var thumbnail = "/home/user/.thumbnails/grid/" + Qt.md5(url) + ".jpeg";"23:30
itsnotabigtrucknpm: well, keeping everything in ram would probably be better23:31
npmwell hopefully it caches, but doesn't leak memory23:31
npmprobably won't work on a Pureview 808 tho23:32
Venemo_N950hey RzR23:32
itsnotabigtruckpetteri: cool23:33
itsnotabigtruckit would be awesome to have a really good reddit client (qmlreddit is a start but it's not very pretty)23:34
mgedminpetteri, nice app!23:34
gabriel9RzR check email23:35
petterithanks :) i had fun writing it23:35
petteriall the 100 lines or something :P23:35
mgedminzooming would be nice, although I can do that by opening the image in a browser23:36
gabriel9will you push it to store?23:36
RzRhow to open photoshop files on linux ?23:36
RzRcant you convert to svg ?23:36
mgedminRzR, I think gimp tries23:36
gabriel9you can use gimp23:36
mgedminI dunno if it always succeeds23:36
petterigabriel9: probably not23:36
gabriel9but i send you also png23:37
itsnotabigtruckrzr: you can't convert from PSD to SVG23:37
itsnotabigtruckone is raster, the other is vector23:37
mgedminpetteri, it would be Very Nice to have this installable from a store23:37
RzRitsnotabigtruck: yes i know23:37
gabriel9RzR i open it in Gimp23:37
RzRbut i am sure you can draw vectors over it :)23:37
RzRgabriel9: just the pen on inkscape would help23:38
gabriel9if i go to Win tonight i will create svg also23:39
RzRbeside I would integrate it on next version :-)23:39
gabriel9is icon OK ?23:39
petterimgedmin: i don't have any experience with ovi store, is it easy to get app published there?23:39
RzRbetter that the star of hell23:39
RzRpetteri: you need to pay 1eur at least i think23:39
petteriRzR: damn :P23:40
mgedminpetteri, I've no idea!  I don't have an app ready for publishing yet23:40
mgedminpetteri, is an alternative23:40
RzRpetteri: is your app opensource ?23:40
petteriRzR: it is23:40
RzRthen go for a4m23:40
petteriok, i'll look it up23:41
itsnotabigtruckpublish it on appsformeego in either case23:41 have to get your account authorized for obs first23:41
itsnotabigtruckso petteri: set up a account, then get on #meego and ping lbt and x-fade and ask them to approve your account23:41
itsnotabigtruckfor use with c-obs23:41
lbtor here23:41
itsnotabigtrucklol, that's good timing :p23:42
gabriel9damn, we need icon for closing keyboard on keyboard23:42
gabriel9lots of time i need to close it and i click on statusbar23:42
RzRswipe it down23:42
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RzRgabriel9: its not obvious23:43
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RzRgabriel9: but that's the way it work23:43
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petteriitsnotabigtruck: thanks, i'll look it up tomorrow23:44
itsnotabigtruckpetteri: just set up the account now23:44
RzRlbt: hi , i know that mer packaging emacs but is there a touchfriendly text editor in subprojects ?23:44
itsnotabigtruckthen you can look into how to enter the app tomorrow23:44
itsnotabigtruckafaik it could be a bit tricky packaging your app such that c-obs can build it, if you're using qt creator23:45
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lbtRzR: not as far as I know23:45
lbtand FWIW, mer doesn't have emacs :)23:45
RzRlbt: well then i try to build redak on it , i am not very proud of it , but it may help23:46
lbtalthough it may go in Mer:Tools for me to run emacsclient23:46
petterii actually already have account. created one about year a go23:46
lbtRzR: please do :)23:46
RzRlbt: i meant mer is NOT packaging ...23:46
lbtit would be very useful - although I think technically you'd be targetting Nemo23:46
petteriitsnotabigtruck: ah ok23:47
RzRbut It's fun to tease you on that emacs troll like at fosdem :)23:47
itsnotabigtruckpetteri: if you have a account then you're most of the way there but you still have to be authorized for c-obs23:47
itsnotabigtruckfortunately you're already in the right place for that23:47
lbtyeah - petteri if you just confirm your account name I'll enable it23:48
lbtwell, petteri is enabled - I expect that's you ... have fun :)23:49
itsnotabigtruckalso @rzr petteri [anyone else]: if you've got a few mins i'd appreciate it if you could throw on your n9[50] and verify that it didn't cause it to implode on itself23:50
itsnotabigtruckthen enter a qa approval23:50
itsnotabigtruckbtw lbt: is it in the plan to fix the description parsing on the afm website/client?23:51
lbtitsnotabigtruck: that's an ecumenical question23:52
petteriok, i had forgotten my password, but seems that my username is still valid23:52
petterilbt: petteri is my username23:52
itsnotabigtruckas far as i can tell atm there's no parsing done on the description, which causes strange results if the package has a short description, paragraph breaks, or (non-significant) line breaks23:52
RzRlbt: can you suggest some doc on nemo/mer obs repo to use  ?23:53
lbtitsnotabigtruck: or a matter for X-Fade as you don't seem to be a Father Ted devotee23:53
RzRitsnotabigtruck: does ad-hac work on regular firmware ?23:53
RzRi am testing23:53
itsnotabigtruckrzr: it should work on any firmware23:54
lbtRzR: good question23:54
RzRitsnotabigtruck: i am installing but i am a bit far from the us ... i am unsure it will connect23:55
itsnotabigtruckand hrm, no, i'm not...the show sounds interesting :p23:55
RzRbut now they putting AP on homeless so ....23:55
lbtRzR: it's missing here:
itsnotabigtruckrzr: lol. it should have no effect if you aren't in the US23:55
itsnotabigtruckso just make sure there's no side effects23:55
tehdelyis there any work, btw, on making a non-Nokia device that can run Mer23:56
tehdelyare there any "open" handsets out there23:56
RzRitsnotabigtruck: it just installed , so far i am still alive23:56
tehdelyor do you pretty much have to run it on some mfgr's device that used to run something else23:56
lbttehdely: there are many non-nokia mer devices23:56
itsnotabigtrucktehdely: the spark tablet is going to be a commercialized mer tablet with plasma active gui23:57
itsnotabigtruckas for nemo...not sure about that23:57
tehdelyalso has anyone done any work on running harmattan binaries on a non-Nokia device23:57
lbtyou may mean Nemo though, and you may mean a full phone UX - that's just Nokia stuff at the moment23:57
tehdelyfor example, some of the ui stuff23:57
tehdelyit would violate the license but i imagine it's technically feasible23:57
tehdelyeven if it would leave an ugly taste in one's mouth...23:57
itsnotabigtrucki'd expect the res might be a problem, though the gui has proven to be extremely flexible with the css-based layout and stuff23:58
lbtRzR: could you chase that in #nemomobile? or with me tomorrow if you don't get an answer23:58
itsnotabigtrucknot very many 852x480 display devices out there23:58
itsnotabigtruckalso rzr: yay23:58
RzRlbt: ok will do23:58

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