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| DrGrov | Anyone else got the phone charging over night? | 01:01 |
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| DrGrov | I wonder, I got the "act-dead" mode when I started charging now. I wonder what happened... It was before switching power on and then started charging. Not getting into "act-dead" mode at all, just now. | 01:01 |
| SpeedEvil | If it's very flat, you don't go into act-dead | 01:02 |
| SpeedEvil | It goes to act-dead once it's at ... 3v? | 01:02 |
| SpeedEvil | if you plug it in | 01:02 |
| DrGrov | Hi SpeedEvil | 01:02 |
| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: I have no idea at what it was now when I turned it off and started charging it. | 01:03 |
| DrGrov | Perhaps around 45% or something like that, not 100% sure though | 01:03 |
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| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: How do you have your charging on the N9/N950? You leave it over the night charging even though it would be full much earlier? | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | I suspect improper usageof terms | 01:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | My devices sit there 'charging' for literally months | 01:05 |
| SpeedEvil | yes. | 01:06 |
| DrGrov | Hi Doc | 01:06 |
| SpeedEvil | I charge mine when it beeps typically | 01:06 |
| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: Ok, then you leave it in for a longer time even? | 01:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | longer than me? nah! | 01:07 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Have you noticed anything on the battery quality due to your charging cycles? | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually N9(50) is doing way better than N900 in that regard | 01:07 |
| DrGrov | Ok, thanks for clarifying that for me. I thought it might be an issue but now I am confident about it since a lot of users tend to leave it in for long times even without losing battery quality. | 01:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: one caveat: you should lock the screen | 01:10 |
| SpeedEvil | DrGrov: I have one charging cable | 01:10 |
| SpeedEvil | DrGrov: So I typically swap it between my n900 and 950 | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, on N9 there's no way not to lock it | 01:10 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Lock the screen? Yes, I keep it locked when I charge. Now when it is in "act-dead" mode I just got that battery icon showing up. | 01:14 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Or do you mean that I can lock it some other way as well? | 01:14 |
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| DrGrov | Damn I love the green Monster energy drink, I got a 24 x 0,5L case last week... Mmmm.... | 01:16 |
| DrGrov | Well, thanks DocScrutinizer and SpeedEvil for the comments and replies | 01:18 |
| DrGrov | I am off to get some sleep | 01:18 |
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| Khertan | Morning | 11:19 |
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| djszapi | X-Fade: p | 11:35 |
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| djszapi | jreznik: p | 12:06 |
| djszapi | the color stuff is a huge bike shedding :) | 12:07 |
| djszapi | in KDE, that is. | 12:07 |
| jreznik | didn't have time to touch it but I have commit rights :) from distro perspective it's good to have it | 12:08 |
| djszapi | jreznik: I mean oyranos and colord | 12:09 |
| jreznik | yeah, I know | 12:09 |
| jreznik | I promised hughsie to help with but dantti has been super fast to work on it :) | 12:10 |
| jreznik | and yeah, the fighting is not a bad... | 12:10 |
| djszapi | jreznik: I have not seen this long thread from the nothing appearing on k-c-d for quite a while. | 12:11 |
| jreznik | I talked to Kai-uwe at fosdem but then everything changed... | 12:12 |
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| * djszapi wonders nobody proposed to fix the insane qt command line options for Qt5... | 12:14 | |
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| GAN900 | Is there a way to change the xterm font? | 12:45 |
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| jonni | GAN900: there is no xterm in harmattan. | 13:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | jonni... Right. So, is there any way to change the terminal font in Harmattan? :) | 13:16 |
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| djszapi | Is it possible to define the source of an image this way: source: "gallows" + gallowsSeriesCounter + ".png"; where gallowsSeriesCounter is an integer property ? | 13:23 |
| gabriel9 | it should work in JS | 13:27 |
| djszapi | I do hope you realized it is not the js part :) | 13:27 |
| gabriel9 | no :) | 13:27 |
| gabriel9 | in which part is this | 13:28 |
| djszapi | Image { id: myImage; source: ... } | 13:28 |
| gabriel9 | hm you can do something like this source : function() { return "gallows" + gallowsSeriesCounter + ".png"} | 13:29 |
| gabriel9 | :) | 13:29 |
| gabriel9 | i gues | 13:29 |
| Anssi138 | djszapi: isn't it working? | 13:29 |
| djszapi | Anssi138: nah, otherwise I would not ask :) | 13:29 |
| gabriel9 | does my example work? | 13:29 |
| djszapi | gabriel9: yes, of course I can set the source outside, but that is not the intention here. | 13:30 |
| gabriel9 | ok | 13:30 |
| djszapi | it is about a simple binding, but I guess it should work. | 13:30 |
| Anssi138 | unless you have foobared some image paths or something. | 13:30 |
| djszapi | not sure, what I am doing wrong, the console.log thingie shows the incremented stuff. | 13:30 |
| djszapi | Anssi138: huh ? | 13:30 |
| gabriel9 | i must try this: source : (function() { return "gallows" + gallowsSeriesCounter + ".png"})() | 13:32 |
| gabriel9 | djszapi is this working? | 13:32 |
| gabriel9 | i don't have qt here, and i wonder is this also ok | 13:33 |
| djszapi | I tried such hacks earlier, when the binding did not work, but usually the script either. | 13:33 |
| djszapi | the problem was always somewhere else. | 13:34 |
| Anssi138 | actually it's javascript more or less so it should work. | 13:34 |
| djszapi | ok, I caught the mistake. | 13:34 |
| Anssi138 | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qml-url.html | 13:35 |
| jonni | GeneralAntilles: font size is just pinch gesture, font family is just recompilation away. | 13:35 |
| gabriel9 | anyone know is there a way to remove borders and rounded corners from textarea? | 13:37 |
| gabriel9 | they are ugly | 13:37 |
| gabriel9 | i notice this also on Redak app | 13:39 |
| jonni | gabriel9: most likely you can change platformStyle property of TextArea | 13:47 |
| jonni | as if I remember right its not readonly | 13:48 |
| rlinfati | DocScrutinizer, ping | 13:49 |
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| gabriel9 | jonni thanks i will check it out | 13:54 |
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| Khertan | gabriel9: i have a workarround | 14:13 |
| gabriel9 | ? | 14:13 |
| Khertan | gabriel9: i didn't remove them :) | 14:14 |
| Khertan | just hide it, as remove the plateformStyle remove copy/paste bubble too | 14:14 |
| Khertan | gabriel9: look at KhtSimpleText (the textarea borders are hidden) | 14:14 |
| gabriel9 | ok | 14:15 |
| Khertan | http://github.com/khertan/khtsimpletext | 14:15 |
| gabriel9 | will check | 14:15 |
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| gabriel9 | i'm no expert in this so i ask you: if i wish to write pareser for text which is faster: C++ or JS | 14:23 |
| gabriel9 | in qml | 14:23 |
| gabriel9 | application | 14:23 |
| Corsac | don't write a parser | 14:24 |
| Corsac | use an existing one | 14:24 |
| Corsac | if you write one, it'll buggy and full of security issues | 14:24 |
| Corsac | parsing is *hard* | 14:24 |
| flux | I would be surprised if C++ were slower than Javascript for that. also, C++ probably has better tools. | 14:25 |
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| flux | I mean, parsing formats othern than XML or JSON with javascript is probably quite a rare task. | 14:26 |
| gabriel9 | this needs testing | 14:26 |
| gabriel9 | but it should provide usefull data | 14:27 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | 'sup | 14:53 |
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| gabriel9 | in nokia maps app we can download maps and use it offline | 15:00 |
| gabriel9 | can we use that cashed maps in our apps? | 15:00 |
| gabriel9 | or only nokia have accses to that | 15:01 |
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| beford | morning | 15:09 |
| gabriel9 | day :) | 15:10 |
| jonni | gabriel9: yes you can use, there should be even qml example how to use maps data in sdk documentations. | 15:13 |
| gabriel9 | that is really nice | 15:14 |
| gabriel9 | will search for it later | 15:14 |
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| gabriel9 | omg is there greater nightmare then event driven programming with JS(large scale projects) -_-' | 16:07 |
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| lucido | heello, 1.2 update broke my app, now it cant be removed because it says it's not closed, is there a way around this? | 16:10 |
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| rigo | lucido, have you tried rebooting your phone? | 16:16 |
| MohammadAG | it's not closed? | 16:17 |
| lucido | rigo, yes I have, but my contains a demon that is launched on boot | 16:17 |
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| lucido | rigo, prevously I used the prerm script of the deb package to stop the daemon but this new check precedes that | 16:18 |
| rigo | hm, this goes beyond the things I could debug remotely | 16:19 |
| jonni | lucido: why dont you just disable the autostart from the application and then uninstall? | 16:21 |
| lucido | jonni, because the user wouldn't know what to do | 16:22 |
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| djszapi | bef0rd: ping | 16:22 |
| jonni | lucido: atleat if I would be app user, and see not closed error message, I would go into application and close all daemons. | 16:24 |
| jonni | atleast even | 16:24 |
| lucido | jonni, what application is that? | 16:24 |
| jonni | lucido: your application, ie application that user tries to uninstall | 16:24 |
| lucido | people dont even know that daemons exist | 16:25 |
| djszapi | anybody with Mac here ? | 16:25 |
| djszapi | it uses the same command line argument structure like Unix right ? | 16:25 |
| jonni | lucido: is it ovi store app, or something else? | 16:25 |
| lucido | it is | 16:25 |
| lucido | jonni, ovi store app | 16:26 |
| jonni | lucido: ovi store content guideline 1.3.pdf chapter 2.2.8.5: "If application uses the auto-start feature to launch when the device is turned on, the application must include an option to disable/enable the auto-start feature. | 16:27 |
| jonni | lucido: if your app does not provide that functionality then QA should not have passed the app | 16:27 |
| lucido | jonni, I see and I can add that easyly but all the same its by far not trivial for a normal user to remove the app | 16:28 |
| rigo | djszapi, depends on which parts you're working on. AFAIK, it has a complete BSD system (SysV-Unix) and the Apple interface on top of it | 16:30 |
| jonni | whats the exact not closed error message, I can do a small grep search to sources, and maybe enter internal bug report if its some regression that pr1.2 did | 16:30 |
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| rigo | jonni, if you're at it, the package virtuoso-opensource-6.1 in SDK is borken. It tries to do an ln -s virtuoso-opensource-6.1 virtuso in /etc/init.d/ | 16:33 |
| rigo | which is protected by aegis, so it can't complete | 16:33 |
| jonni | "not closed" string is not atleast found in package-manager | 16:33 |
| lucido | jonni, moment | 16:34 |
| rigo | and this is the only thing holding up installation of Kontact Touch | 16:34 |
| jonni | rigo: first define SDK? :) qtsdk which has the pr1.0 rootstrap? | 16:34 |
| lucido | jonni, "The application is still running. Please close it first." | 16:35 |
| rigo | deb http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/ harmattan/sdk free non-free | 16:35 |
| rigo | no, its in the other repo | 16:37 |
| rigo | so wrong channel | 16:37 |
| rigo | but I still wonder how it can install virtuoso-opensource-6.1 as a script-file but not the link | 16:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | gabriel9: isn't there a maps widget you can integrate into your apps? | 16:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'd assume it loads cached maps if possible | 16:38 |
| rigo | other repo meaning deb https://files.kolab.org/local/maemo/dists/harmattan ./ | 16:38 |
| gabriel9 | i don't know | 16:38 |
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| gabriel9 | i tried to find it but no luck, and i did not search alot | 16:39 |
| gabriel9 | i will check it tonight | 16:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | gabriel9: i'm positive there's a widget, the question is whether it meets your reqs | 16:39 |
| jonni | lucido: and I bet that you meant to replacec still-word with currently-word? | 16:40 |
| jonni | as I can only find hits with "currently running"... | 16:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lucido: so the problem is that package-manager finds a window from your app open and decides not to allow it to be removed? | 16:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | even though you have a prerm hook that is supposed to kill it? | 16:41 |
| lucido | jonni, "still" is correct | 16:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lucido: is that a translation or the original text | 16:41 |
| jonni | ah might be translations... but I found the place in code I think | 16:41 |
| lucido | itsnotabigtruck, original | 16:41 |
| lucido | yes? | 16:42 |
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| lucido | the implementation of the daemon is via a qdeclarativeview that is hidden | 16:42 |
| lucido | I know its less than ideal but... | 16:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lucido: might be best to fix that instead | 16:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | daemons shouldn't have windows, period | 16:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i think qt provides a message loop system for non-graphical applications | 16:43 |
| lucido | what do you mean by "window"? | 16:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lucido: well, it sounds like you're creating a window in X | 16:47 |
| lucido | if there was a window it would show in the task manager screen of the swipe ui | 16:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | unless it's a hidden window | 16:48 |
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| jonni | lucido: I checked a code, there is a check if there is any ui proesses related to package running. If not, it terminates all other non-visible processes releated to package. | 16:49 |
| lucido | jonni, thanks, how is a ui process identified? | 16:50 |
| jonni | lucido: so should work on most of the times, unless your app uses hidden view which is tought to be running ui | 16:50 |
| lucido | jonni, well it has a qdeclaraiveview in hidden state, maybe I should delete the view and recreate it on demand | 16:51 |
| jonni | lucido: its identified by callind /usr/lib/package-manager/exec_checker, in uninstall case it gets -p packagename -t as arguments | 16:52 |
| jonni | calling even | 16:52 |
| lucido | jonni, thank you, now I'll have to revrite the app and write a separate app just for removing the old version lol | 16:54 |
| lucido | good times | 16:54 |
| jonni | if ui is not detected then that -t flag kills all non-ui processes releated to package | 16:54 |
| jonni | but its a feature in pr1.2 which helped uninstall cases on lot of packages, so most likely there is no point of creating a but report, as it will not fall into the critical showstopper category | 16:56 |
| jonni | daemons should be daemons and not hidden qdeclarativeviews (tm).... | 16:56 |
| MohammadAG | _1 ^ | 16:57 |
| MohammadAG | +1* | 16:57 |
| lucido | ok ok | 16:57 |
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| rlinfati | FYI: Harmattan PR1.2 sources: https://ssl.linfati.cl/h12/SDK_Sources_PR1.2.ISO ; it's 2012-7 version | 17:31 |
| rlinfati | the 30.2012.03-5_sources.iso was the 2012-3 version (n950 vs n9 version) | 17:31 |
| rlinfati | the diferences are in https://ssl.linfati.cl/h12/SDK_Sources_PR1.2.diff | 17:32 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | is there a way to make package-manager log? | 17:54 |
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| xmlich02 | hi, i am trying to compile my project with scratchbox, but the MDeclarativeCache file is missing. PKGCONFIG += meegotouch-boostable is not working | 18:15 |
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| phako | xmlich02: do you use additional pkgconfig stuff? | 18:25 |
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| phako | xmlich02: make sure PKGCONFIG += meegotouch-boostable is the last one you add | 18:26 |
| xmlich02 | i do not use additional pkgconfig stuff | 18:27 |
| phako | then I don't know :) | 18:27 |
| xmlich02 | i removed the qdeclarative-boostable from project file and scratchbox compiles it | 18:29 |
| RST38h | Oh yessss http://www.reghardware.com/2012/03/15/steve_jobs_plushie_spied_on_web/ | 18:33 |
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| merlin1991 | burn ittttttt | 18:48 |
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| rigo | strange, harmattan doesn't implement the >> pipe | 19:25 |
| rigo | permission denied | 19:25 |
| rigo | it seems to try to overwrite instead of appending to the file | 19:26 |
| RST38h | can't be | 19:26 |
| rigo | but it can very well be that I'm a moron making a stupid mistake | 19:27 |
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| rigo | yes, moron, root is not root | 19:28 |
| rigo | yesssss, aegis, we all love you :) | 19:30 |
| rigo | chmod 664 file doesn't change permissions | 19:30 |
| leinir | *nods* You must unlearn what you have learned ;) | 19:31 |
| rigo | and this is the key for my kontact-touch issue. The script runs as some user and can create the file. But then it can't change the file anymore | 19:31 |
| jonni | >> pipes are supported just fine | 19:33 |
| rigo | yes, but the entire permission system has turned into a mess :) | 19:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, that would be extraordinarily weird if >> pipes weren't supported, since that's a pretty fundamental kernel/libc/bash/etc thing :p | 19:35 |
| jonni | very simple, if your users you can pipe to user files, if your root you can pipe to root file, root cannot messa user files | 19:35 |
| rigo | solution to issue above: do apt-cache depends kdepim-mobile >>/dependencies.txt as user, not as root | 19:35 |
| jonni | well / dir is owner by root so ofcourse you cannot write there, as you cannot write there in any linux system | 19:36 |
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| rigo | jonni, nice, but I created the file as root by saying apt-cache depends kmail-mobile >>/home/user/MyDocs/kdepim-mobile-dependencies.txt to actually create the file on the 50G partition | 19:37 |
| rigo | but the file on /home/user/MyDocs was created as a user file | 19:38 |
| rigo | not as a file from root. Despite the fact that it was root who issued the first pipe and created that document | 19:38 |
| rigo | very funny concept. | 19:39 |
| mgedmin | it's a VFAT filesystem | 19:39 |
| mgedmin | it has no place for storing owership information | 19:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, everything in MyDocs is always owned by user afaik | 19:40 |
| rigo | oh my, yes, I'm a moron. The only PC software to interact with your linux phone is only running in windows and the filesystem is VFAT *bummer* | 19:40 |
| rigo | :) | 19:40 |
| mgedmin | if you want to support USB mass storage, you gotta use VFAT | 19:40 |
| mgedmin | (or NTFS, I suppose) | 19:41 |
| rigo | ha, good reason! | 19:42 |
| mgedmin | well, if you want to support USB mass storage _that works with Windows machines_ | 19:42 |
| jonni | its mounted as uid=29999 | 19:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | right, vfat = inferior and works with everything | 19:43 |
| rigo | mgedmin, otherwise you would have to provide a driver CD for Windows with the Software and the EXT/2 driver for Windows | 19:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which is a lot better than the alternative of no support (besides that hacky driver) for windows at all | 19:43 |
| rigo | but in the end, just a matter of learning curve | 19:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but if you're confident you won't be mounting it on windows, i'm sure there's a way to get it formatted to ext4 | 19:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, of course there is, i'm just not 100% sure what you have to change to make it mount correctly | 19:44 |
| rigo | itsnotabigtruck, I haven't found fdisk | 19:45 |
| rigo | and as it is flash storage, you better get TRIM support | 19:46 |
| rigo | to avoid wearing it out | 19:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rigo: looks like you can do it without incepting, even | 19:46 |
| rigo | but kernel is 2.6.32.48 | 19:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | a) edit /etc/fstab and change the filesystem | 19:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | b) mount it on your pc and format it | 19:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | c) dismount and reboot the phone | 19:46 |
| rigo | and my laptop with SSD has 3.3.0-rc3-4 | 19:47 |
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| rigo | oh, they killed Kenny! | 19:47 |
| rigo | sorry, Infobot | 19:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 19:48 |
| jonni | mgedmin: actually usb mass storage doesnt not have that limitation, like android uses usb mass storage off ext4 partition, just needs to use fuse | 19:50 |
| jonni | vfat was just some management decision :) | 19:51 |
| mgedmin | jonni, I'm nt convinced | 19:51 |
| rigo | jonni, mgedmin is part of the management :) | 19:52 |
| mgedmin | what I mean, is: [citation needed] | 19:52 |
| mgedmin | fuse lets you mount arbitrary filesystems implemented in userspace | 19:52 |
| rigo | https://xkcd.com/285/ | 19:53 |
| mgedmin | if you want to provide a writeable VFAT image over USB mass storage given an ext4 backend, where does fuse come it? | 19:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, FUSE is a no go | 19:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you'd have to actually emulate a block device | 19:53 |
| jonni | heh, I have my mailthread somewhere in my archives... let me see if I can find the pointers | 19:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not just a filesystem | 19:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so you'd need to have a magical device that looks and acts like a fat filesystem to the host pc, but everything gets mirrored over to the real ext4 filesystem | 19:53 |
| mgedmin | newish android devices seem to be using MTP instead of mass storage | 19:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | complicating things is that the host pc *could* write anything anywhere | 19:54 |
| mgedmin | since MTP works (badly) on file level, and not on block device level, that lets those devices use ext4 on the backend | 19:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | e.g. what happens if you try to reformat the mass storage device | 19:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or overwrite it with /dev/urandom | 19:54 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | also mgedmin: doesn't the N9 have mtp too? | 19:57 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | does it let you browse files, or only transfer media content | 19:57 |
| mgedmin | no, N9 has mass-storage | 19:58 |
| jonni | ah yes, my memory is bad, it was MTP which works in ext3/4 | 19:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mgedmin: i thought it has *both* | 19:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | sync and connect = mtp + a bunch of other things | 19:59 |
| mgedmin | I didn't know what! | 19:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm not 100% sure though... | 19:59 |
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| jonni | http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/11/18/impromptu-qa-session-with-android-engineer-dan-morrill-brings-to-light-reasons-behind-galaxy-nexus-lack-of-usb-mass-storage/ | 20:00 |
| mgedmin | I could dig out my USB cable and experiment | 20:01 |
| mgedmin | but I hate cables | 20:01 |
| mgedmin | when will we finally get wireless charging please? | 20:01 |
| mgedmin | or batteries that last for months, instead of 12 hours? | 20:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jonni: hrm...that /sdcard business cancels out most of the advantages of not using vfat anyway :p | 20:02 |
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| jonni | wireless charging... http://www.sspfinland.fi/en/powerkiss/ | 20:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | definitely helps with the uneven partition problem though | 20:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hm, it seems like inductive charging is always been months away, for a long time | 20:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i mean, you can do it right now, it's just not practical since it's not integrated into anything, for one | 20:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and it looks like this is yet another "ingenious" scheme to bilk travelers :/ | 20:04 |
| jonni | noticed that one in helsinki airport | 20:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you know what's better than "wireless charging stations"? power outlets liberally spread throughout the airport :/ | 20:06 |
| jonni | :) | 20:07 |
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| mgedmin | ah, the fuse trick is to strip ext4 permission checks when apps try to access /sdcard on android! | 20:12 |
| mgedmin | lolfail: "With the unified storage model we introduced in Honeycomb, we share your full 32GB (or 16GB or whatever) between app data and media data." | 20:12 |
| mgedmin | I've this android tablet with honeycomb (now ICS, but the fail was in honeycomb) that complained about running out of disk space for app updates | 20:12 |
| mgedmin | despite 8 gigs free on the data partition | 20:13 |
| mgedmin | incidentally, do all android devices suck so badly, or is it just my archos g9 tablet? | 20:13 |
| mgedmin | software-wise | 20:13 |
| macmaN | mgedmin: whats wrong with it? | 20:13 |
| macmaN | and are you running Mer on it yet? | 20:13 |
| mgedmin | crashy crashy apps | 20:13 |
| mgedmin | app switching loses context (you were reading this browser page? sorry, I'll just reload it for you) | 20:14 |
| mgedmin | google reader app randomly refreshes and jumps back to the top of the post while I'm reading it without touching anything | 20:14 |
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| djszapi | beford: ping | 20:15 |
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| RST38h | mgedmin: Archos is kinda custom so it sucks more thanmost | 20:16 |
| RST38h | In general though, they all suck in some degree, especially if you are unwilling to deal with it | 20:17 |
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| ZogG_laptop | sup babes | 20:37 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: how goes your imgur project | 20:43 |
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| djszapiN9 | beford, just let me know when you are back. | 21:10 |
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| pa | itsnotabigtruck, wasnt it you asking about who was using FCam? | 21:54 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | pa: yeah | 22:00 |
| pa | itsnotabigtruck, do you know whether it exist some sort of ovp for camera? some open camera project? | 22:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pa: ovp? | 22:01 |
| pa | open video player | 22:02 |
| gabriel9 | evening | 22:04 |
| pa | if not, maybe we should think of starting such a replacement using FCam | 22:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pa: what does that have to do with cameras? | 22:06 |
| pa | the project as such, nothing | 22:06 |
| pa | the concept, everything | 22:06 |
| pa | an open source replacement for the stock camera app | 22:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just to be sure, you're talking about this, right: http://openvideoplayer.sourceforge.net/ | 22:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which is a toolkit for putting video embeds in web pages | 22:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not taking pictures | 22:07 |
| pa | no | 22:07 |
| pa | im talking about a media player | 22:07 |
| RST38h | OVP is a video player for harmattan | 22:07 |
| RST38h | which unfortunately stutters when showing subtitles | 22:07 |
| RST38h | kinda useless because of that | 22:07 |
| pa | https://projects.developer.nokia.com/ovp/wiki/Downloads | 22:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh, this: https://projects.developer.nokia.com/ovp | 22:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | er, too late | 22:07 |
| pa | RST38h, still better than the stock one | 22:08 |
| pa | that stopped dropping frames in 1.2 | 22:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw how much force does it take to remove the USB lid | 22:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (without damaging the N9 itself of course) | 22:09 |
| gabriel9 | what do you want with that? | 22:09 |
| RST38h | not a lot when you do it carefully | 22:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i've got a replacement lid coming in soon (i bent my current one) | 22:09 |
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| jonni | itsnotabigtruck: not that much, there is youtube video how to dismantle n9 | 22:09 |
| gabriel9 | it is on russian | 22:09 |
| gabriel9 | but you can watch :) | 22:09 |
| beford | and learn russian | 22:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | heh, i'll look for it | 22:09 |
| pa | :) | 22:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | was just wondering because i tried to take it off to unbend it before, but it wouldn't budge | 22:10 |
| jonni | itsnotabigtruck: you just need to have it on right angle, 90ยด | 22:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ah, that was probably it, it probably wasn't precisely aligned | 22:10 |
| jonni | if you googlesearch Nokia_N9_RM-696_Service_Manual_L1L2_v1.0.pdf you get pdf with exact instructions how to dismantle it fully. | 22:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | heh, already looked at that | 22:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for the usb lid it basically says "pull it out" | 22:12 |
| jonni | it says open it fully and then pull if I remember right, or then it might be shown on youtube video. Anyways I've removed and replaced the lid on few devices, and it doesnt need that much power. | 22:13 |
| jonni | when your replacement part comes, you can look at that and you will have an idea how tight it is | 22:14 |
| gabriel9 | is there format code in QT creator? | 22:15 |
| jonni | gabriel9: you mean indent? | 22:15 |
| gabriel9 | yes | 22:15 |
| gabriel9 | to automaticly | 22:15 |
| gabriel9 | do it | 22:16 |
| jonni | ctrl+a ctrl+i if I remember right | 22:16 |
| gabriel9 | thanks jonni | 22:16 |
| gabriel9 | it works | 22:16 |
| jonni | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtcreator-2.4/creator-keyboard-shortcuts.html | 22:18 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | hmm, just tried that home screen settings app - very cool | 22:21 |
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| gabriel9 | yes | 23:00 |
| gabriel9 | it is nice | 23:00 |
| gabriel9 | do you have lags? | 23:00 |
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| RzR | hi | 23:02 |
| gabriel9 | hi RzR | 23:03 |
| gabriel9 | did you push changes to Redak? | 23:03 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | gabriel9: seems not | 23:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | afm still on 0.2 | 23:15 |
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| gabriel9 | do i need initialPage when i use tabGroup? | 23:20 |
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| petteri | my first qml app for N9: http://23.fi/pinkit/ it is reddit.com image viewer | 23:24 |
| gabriel9 | Pinkit | 23:24 |
| gabriel9 | nice :) | 23:24 |
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| gabriel9 | did nyone use ffmpeg for video converion? If so can you give param for N9 | 23:25 |
| RzR | gabriel9: just pushed now | 23:25 |
| RzR | gabriel9: i am looking for n900 owners to test it as well | 23:25 |
| mgedmin | I want a Chrome2Phone client for the N9 | 23:26 |
| gabriel9 | can you give me URL? | 23:26 |
| gabriel9 | on github | 23:26 |
| gabriel9 | to get sourve | 23:26 |
| gabriel9 | source | 23:26 |
| RzR | https://gitorious.org/redak/redak | 23:26 |
| gabriel9 | thanks i will check it | 23:28 |
| gabriel9 | also where can i show you icon? | 23:28 |
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| RzR | gabriel9: I trust you :) | 23:28 |
| RzR | gabriel9: you can email a svg file to rzr@gna.org | 23:28 |
| Venemo_N950 | hey guys | 23:29 |
| RzR | hi Venemo_N950 | 23:30 |
| npm | does this make me a bad person: "var thumbnail = "/home/user/.thumbnails/grid/" + Qt.md5(url) + ".jpeg";" | 23:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 23:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | npm: well, keeping everything in ram would probably be better | 23:31 |
| npm | well hopefully it caches, but doesn't leak memory | 23:31 |
| npm | probably won't work on a Pureview 808 tho | 23:32 |
| npm | :-) | 23:32 |
| Venemo_N950 | hey RzR | 23:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | petteri: cool | 23:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it would be awesome to have a really good reddit client (qmlreddit is a start but it's not very pretty) | 23:34 |
| mgedmin | petteri, nice app! | 23:34 |
| gabriel9 | RzR check email | 23:35 |
| petteri | thanks :) i had fun writing it | 23:35 |
| petteri | all the 100 lines or something :P | 23:35 |
| mgedmin | zooming would be nice, although I can do that by opening the image in a browser | 23:36 |
| gabriel9 | will you push it to store? | 23:36 |
| RzR | how to open photoshop files on linux ? | 23:36 |
| RzR | cant you convert to svg ? | 23:36 |
| mgedmin | RzR, I think gimp tries | 23:36 |
| gabriel9 | you can use gimp | 23:36 |
| mgedmin | I dunno if it always succeeds | 23:36 |
| petteri | gabriel9: probably not | 23:36 |
| gabriel9 | but i send you also png | 23:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rzr: you can't convert from PSD to SVG | 23:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | one is raster, the other is vector | 23:37 |
| mgedmin | petteri, it would be Very Nice to have this installable from a store | 23:37 |
| RzR | itsnotabigtruck: yes i know | 23:37 |
| gabriel9 | RzR i open it in Gimp | 23:37 |
| RzR | but i am sure you can draw vectors over it :) | 23:37 |
| RzR | gabriel9: just the pen on inkscape would help | 23:38 |
| gabriel9 | if i go to Win tonight i will create svg also | 23:39 |
| gabriel9 | :) | 23:39 |
| RzR | beside I would integrate it on next version :-) | 23:39 |
| gabriel9 | is icon OK ? | 23:39 |
| petteri | mgedmin: i don't have any experience with ovi store, is it easy to get app published there? | 23:39 |
| RzR | better that the star of hell | 23:39 |
| gabriel9 | :D | 23:39 |
| RzR | petteri: you need to pay 1eur at least i think | 23:39 |
| petteri | RzR: damn :P | 23:40 |
| mgedmin | petteri, I've no idea! I don't have an app ready for publishing yet | 23:40 |
| mgedmin | petteri, apps.formeego.com is an alternative | 23:40 |
| RzR | petteri: is your app opensource ? | 23:40 |
| petteri | RzR: it is | 23:40 |
| RzR | then go for a4m | 23:40 |
| petteri | ok, i'll look it up | 23:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | publish it on appsformeego in either case | 23:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but...you have to get your account authorized for obs first | 23:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so petteri: set up a meego.com account, then get on #meego and ping lbt and x-fade and ask them to approve your account | 23:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for use with c-obs | 23:41 |
| lbt | or here | 23:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol, that's good timing :p | 23:42 |
| gabriel9 | damn, we need icon for closing keyboard on keyboard | 23:42 |
| gabriel9 | lots of time i need to close it and i click on statusbar | 23:42 |
| RzR | swipe it down | 23:42 |
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| RzR | gabriel9: its not obvious | 23:43 |
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| RzR | gabriel9: but that's the way it work | 23:43 |
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| petteri | itsnotabigtruck: thanks, i'll look it up tomorrow | 23:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | petteri: just set up the account now | 23:44 |
| RzR | lbt: hi , i know that mer packaging emacs but is there a touchfriendly text editor in subprojects ? | 23:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then you can look into how to enter the app tomorrow | 23:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | afaik it could be a bit tricky packaging your app such that c-obs can build it, if you're using qt creator | 23:45 |
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| lbt | RzR: not as far as I know | 23:45 |
| lbt | and FWIW, mer doesn't have emacs :) | 23:45 |
| RzR | lbt: well then i try to build redak on it , i am not very proud of it , but it may help | 23:46 |
| lbt | although it may go in Mer:Tools for me to run emacsclient | 23:46 |
| petteri | i actually already have meego.com account. created one about year a go | 23:46 |
| lbt | RzR: please do :) | 23:46 |
| RzR | lbt: i meant mer is NOT packaging ... | 23:46 |
| lbt | it would be very useful - although I think technically you'd be targetting Nemo | 23:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | petteri: https://build.pub.meego.com/user/register_user | 23:47 |
| petteri | itsnotabigtruck: ah ok | 23:47 |
| RzR | but It's fun to tease you on that emacs troll like at fosdem :) | 23:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | petteri: if you have a meego.com account then you're most of the way there but you still have to be authorized for c-obs | 23:47 |
| lbt | hehe | 23:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | fortunately you're already in the right place for that | 23:47 |
| lbt | yeah - petteri if you just confirm your account name I'll enable it | 23:48 |
| lbt | well, petteri is enabled - I expect that's you ... have fun :) | 23:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also @rzr petteri [anyone else]: if you've got a few mins i'd appreciate it if you could throw http://apps.formeego.org/staging/applications/n9/pr1.0/harmattan/Network/ad-hac/ on your n9[50] and verify that it didn't cause it to implode on itself | 23:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then enter a qa approval | 23:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw lbt: is it in the plan to fix the description parsing on the afm website/client? | 23:51 |
| lbt | itsnotabigtruck: that's an ecumenical question | 23:52 |
| petteri | ok, i had forgotten my password, but seems that my username is still valid | 23:52 |
| petteri | lbt: petteri is my username | 23:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | as far as i can tell atm there's no parsing done on the description, which causes strange results if the package has a short description, paragraph breaks, or (non-significant) line breaks | 23:52 |
| RzR | lbt: can you suggest some doc on nemo/mer obs repo to use ? | 23:53 |
| lbt | itsnotabigtruck: or a matter for X-Fade as you don't seem to be a Father Ted devotee | 23:53 |
| RzR | itsnotabigtruck: does ad-hac work on regular firmware ? | 23:53 |
| tehdely | yes | 23:53 |
| RzR | i am testing | 23:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rzr: it should work on any firmware | 23:54 |
| lbt | RzR: good question | 23:54 |
| RzR | itsnotabigtruck: i am installing but i am a bit far from the us ... i am unsure it will connect | 23:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and hrm, no, i'm not...the show sounds interesting :p | 23:55 |
| RzR | but now they putting AP on homeless so .... | 23:55 |
| lbt | RzR: it's missing here: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo#Development | 23:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rzr: lol. it should have no effect if you aren't in the US | 23:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so just make sure there's no side effects | 23:55 |
| tehdely | is there any work, btw, on making a non-Nokia device that can run Mer | 23:56 |
| tehdely | are there any "open" handsets out there | 23:56 |
| RzR | itsnotabigtruck: it just installed , so far i am still alive | 23:56 |
| tehdely | or do you pretty much have to run it on some mfgr's device that used to run something else | 23:56 |
| lbt | tehdely: there are many non-nokia mer devices | 23:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | tehdely: the spark tablet is going to be a commercialized mer tablet with plasma active gui | 23:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | as for nemo...not sure about that | 23:57 |
| tehdely | also has anyone done any work on running harmattan binaries on a non-Nokia device | 23:57 |
| lbt | you may mean Nemo though, and you may mean a full phone UX - that's just Nokia stuff at the moment | 23:57 |
| tehdely | for example, some of the ui stuff | 23:57 |
| tehdely | it would violate the license but i imagine it's technically feasible | 23:57 |
| tehdely | even if it would leave an ugly taste in one's mouth... | 23:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'd expect the res might be a problem, though the gui has proven to be extremely flexible with the css-based layout and stuff | 23:58 |
| lbt | RzR: could you chase that in #nemomobile? or with me tomorrow if you don't get an answer | 23:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not very many 852x480 display devices out there | 23:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also rzr: yay | 23:58 |
| RzR | lbt: ok will do | 23:58 |
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