| beford | maybe we need a minecraft client for harmattan | 00:01 |
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| kozzi | is the game that good? | 00:06 |
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| MohammadAG | is there a way to know if we're running on an N950 or an N9? | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | yesa | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | -a | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | been told so | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd bet /proc got sth for you, MohammadAG | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | cat /proc/cpu? | 00:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | MohammadAG: sysinfoclient | 00:10 |
| tehdely | if that fails | 00:10 |
| tehdely | try looking at the phone | 00:10 |
| * tehdely ducks | 00:10 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | haha | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# cat /proc/cpuinfo | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Hardware : Nokia RM-680 board | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG | oh true | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG | /home/developer $ sysinfoclient -g /component/product-name | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG | any faster way? | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | ^^^ | 00:11 |
| beford | readline and ask the user | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG | even faster? like a file existing | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 00:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you mean like an API? | 00:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i think there's a libsysinfo or something | 00:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or maybe you need to poke dbus | 00:12 |
| MohammadAG | no, like something I can check with QFile::exists() rather than a QProcess or QFile::open() | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf?? | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 00:12 |
| MohammadAG | I need the fastest way possible since this is in the constructor | 00:12 |
| tehdely | you could turn on the camera | 00:12 |
| tehdely | and prompt the user to stand by a mirror | 00:12 |
| tehdely | so the phone can take a picture of itself | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | read /proc/cpuinfo | 00:13 |
| beford | xDD | 00:13 |
| MohammadAG | then I could identify it | 00:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | MohammadAG: do it once and cache it | 00:13 |
| MohammadAG | itsnotabigtruck, that works too | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, you don't wanna do this several times as device doesn't mutate | 00:14 |
| MohammadAG | where does sysinfoclient get info from? | 00:14 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you never know | 00:14 |
| MohammadAG | the N9 mutated, into a lumia | 00:14 |
| tehdely | only a few months after fukushima | 00:14 |
| tehdely | *suspicious* | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | while your app kept running? cool shit | 00:14 |
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| MohammadAG | tehdely, ever thought of starting a standup? you'd do well :p | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, yes, Elop does weird shit with the devices | 00:15 |
| tehdely | and as we know, Finns are in fact aliens | 00:15 |
| tehdely | so i would suspect Raelian involvement | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | so hooker is actually compatible to HARM apps? or do you need to start them when phone is N9 still? | 00:15 |
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| tehdely | MohammadAG: i would run out of jokes in 5 minutes and then be pelted with eggs | 00:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: now for real - I'd guess Qt should have some notion about that detail | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | qt.platform.type.print() | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | sth like that | 00:17 |
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| MohammadAG | could be in QtMobility, but I stay away from that when possible | 00:18 |
| MohammadAG | a QProcess would be saner | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | should be in vanilla Qt as well | 00:19 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 00:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wild guessing, nfc | 00:19 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | no symbol version for module_layout < any idea what that kernel error means | 00:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (upon loading a module) | 00:46 |
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| beford | i bet javispedro knows | 00:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 00:49 |
| beford | you are probably missing an step before compiling the kernel | 00:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | beford: in fact i was trying to build the modules without compiling the kernel, but with the Modules.symver file copied in | 00:50 |
| javispedro | yep, or your config is way too diferent | 00:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also tried doing make modules_prepare | 00:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which is afaict supposed to be exactly for that type of thing | 00:51 |
| beford | something is not matching. I had some errors when building a module for the n900 | 00:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm waiting for a full kernel build but i'm not confident that'll do the trick | 00:51 |
| beford | had to compile the whole kernel, and then something else to be able to load it | 00:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | out of tree modules are super easy | 00:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | as long as you have the kernel-headers package installed | 00:53 |
| beford | I can't remember what I was doing | 00:53 |
| beford | xD | 00:53 |
| beford | oh yea, I was trying to get my n900 detected as an USB input device/keyboard | 00:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ah, so compiling another in-tree module | 00:54 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | well, let's see if doing make zImage/make modules with the new config is enough to make it work | 00:54 |
| beford | yea, I got some example module to and I was able to assign the VendorID and Device_id to get it detected but stopped there :P | 00:56 |
| beford | let me see if I find the docs I followed for freemantle | 00:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://www.bgr.com/2012/03/12/nokias-rumored-10-inch-windows-8-tablet-reportedly-coming-in-q4/ | 00:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ...whyyyyyyy | 00:56 |
| RzR | just to tease us | 00:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and it's not even a proper nokia product, it looks like it's some ODM garbage with a nokia logo slapped on | 00:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ^^^ that, is how you destroy a brand name | 00:58 |
| beford | Compal Electronics yea | 00:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rzr: did you see my messages earlier | 00:58 |
| RzR | btw i had a compal laptop and its still alive | 00:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also i think someone else wanted your attention | 00:58 |
| RzR | itsnotabigtruck: about redak ? | 00:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah | 00:58 |
| RzR | 06:09 < itsnotabigtruck> i was just looking at your app again...is there some reason why you're making redak setuid root | 00:59 |
| RzR | ok | 00:59 |
| RzR | thats something to fix | 00:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also javispedro: any idea where the earliest point one can run a startup script on harmattan is | 01:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | without modifying aegis-protected files | 01:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i.e. hacking /sbin/preinit is out | 01:00 |
| javispedro | that is a question that a bash script a few lines in length could solve | 01:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | err...no | 01:01 |
| javispedro | why not? | 01:01 |
| javispedro | just grab the bunch of scripts in etc/init and match all the files sourced with refhashlist | 01:02 |
| RzR | itsnotabigtruck: this is weird i am using the generic "dh" rules ... | 01:02 |
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| njsf | Well it seems Nokia is now officially winding down support for the N9 | 01:04 |
| RzR | itsnotabigtruck: is this related to obs ? | 01:04 |
| njsf | harmattan-bugs.nokia.com is now closed for new bugs... | 01:04 |
| njsf | bastards | 01:04 |
| beford | that means the n9 is currently perfect | 01:04 |
| RzR | njsf: they're just hiding to make the n10 | 01:04 |
| RzR | any news about meltemi ? | 01:05 |
| njsf | beford: not until they fix the bug that prevents mine from sync'ing with Gmail when MfE for my work Exchange is active | 01:06 |
| njsf | and I am not the only one.. | 01:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rzr: this is in your own postinst script | 01:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw don't do chmods in postinst scripts...it's better/more proper to have the file packaged with the right permissions in the first place | 01:07 |
| RzR | itsnotabigtruck: i removed them | 01:07 |
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| RzR | itsnotabigtruck: i am double checking on current version and i'll tell you | 01:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rzr: oh, ok...i was going off of the afm version again | 01:08 |
| RzR | ~ # ls -l /opt/*/bin/* | grep wsr | 01:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i wasn't sure if you upgraded that yet | 01:08 |
| RzR | ok good now | 01:08 |
| RzR | i didnt | 01:08 |
| RzR | but i plan to | 01:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it only takes a minute to push the button... :p | 01:08 |
| RzR | i wanted to test it a bit more | 01:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | assuming you already have it in your own obs repo that is | 01:09 |
| RzR | i can push current version but i prefer a tested release .. | 01:09 |
| RzR | let's see if this can be done today ... | 01:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82991 < btw check out aegisctl, if you haven't already | 01:09 |
| RzR | does this concern redak ? | 01:10 |
| RzR | won't be able to be installed on other firmware versions. | 01:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nah, it's unrelated to redak | 01:11 |
| RzR | this is interesting | 01:11 |
| RzR | but is this related to bugzilla shutdown ? | 01:12 |
| RzR | ie : if you cant make a "secure" TC system then we dont need you anymore ... | 01:12 |
| RzR | I donno if there nok employees around . but they get all my support because we can fell the bad vibrations... | 01:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rzr: i doubt it | 01:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the bugzilla-inception connection that is | 01:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's probably safe to assume this sort of thing was coming for a while | 01:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it was inevitable, really | 01:14 |
| RzR | actually an openplatform worth more than a bugtracker :) | 01:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nokia seems to freeze releases well before launch, and PR1.3 is slated to be the final release | 01:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | since PR1.2 is out and 1.3 is impending, it's probably been locked down for a while | 01:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so they're certainly not going to be fixing any more user reported bugs in any case | 01:15 |
| RzR | makes sense | 01:15 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | also at the past rate of bug fixing, none of those were going to get resolved anyway x_x | 01:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | most of them were feature requests that there isn't manpower to implement anyway | 01:16 |
| RzR | actually i thought there will be more serious bugs.. | 01:16 |
| RzR | did your device ever crash ? | 01:16 |
| RzR | on a regular usage ? | 01:17 |
| RzR | my n810 is far less stable than n950 which is a prototype | 01:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i don't think i've had any crashes that weren't a direct result of me doing weird things | 01:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mainly killing processes, i think there's some sort of watchdog thing related to that | 01:19 |
| tehdely | PR1.3 final release... ever? | 01:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | tehdely: probably in a couple weeks | 01:23 |
| tehdely | no, i mean like do they abandon that platfomr after that point | 01:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh | 01:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | probably, unless they keep trying to fight the inception | 01:24 |
| tehdely | so after that point we are really and truly on our own | 01:24 |
| tehdely | i think that's when the cool hacking starts | 01:24 |
| tehdely | hopefully the world won't run out of harmattan-compatible handsets | 01:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, i already have some awesome ideas for an extremely hacked PR1.4 cssu type thing | 01:25 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | btw tehdely: did you end up filling out the qa thingy | 01:27 |
| tehdely | nope lemme do that now | 01:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | awesome thanks | 01:27 |
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| RzR | http://blogs.msdn.com/b/jw_on_tech/archive/2012/03/13/why-i-left-google.aspx | 01:36 |
| tehdely | shit that doesn't work: logging into apps.formeego.org | 01:40 |
| tehdely | even after succesfully creating and logging into a meego.org account | 01:40 |
| tehdely | wonder if anyone will ever get around to fixing that | 01:40 |
| tehdely | i'll try again in an hour | 01:40 |
| tehdely | perhaps some ldap shit needs to sync :/ | 01:40 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | tehdely: that's strange | 01:46 |
| tehdely | there | 01:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i wasn't able to log into OBS after they activated my account for that, until they did some tweaking on the server | 01:47 |
| tehdely | just had to wait a bit | 01:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh ok | 01:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but i think that's fixed for everyone now | 01:47 |
| tehdely | so who's maintinaing all the meego.org stuff anyway | 01:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | awesome | 01:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | thanks | 01:49 |
| tehdely | y/w | 01:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and i know lbt and x-fade are in charge of the OBS and AFM stuff | 01:50 |
| tehdely | OBS == | 01:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | open build system | 01:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's software that meego.com has running that lets you build harmattan/meego stuff | 01:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's what feeds into appsformeego | 01:51 |
| tehdely | gotcha | 01:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, crap | 01:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i finally got past the error i had before, but none of my modules will load except the most trivial ones | 01:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | [535376.837921] ah4: disagrees about version of symbol inet_add_protocol | 01:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | a lot of that kind of thing | 01:51 |
| tehdely | and you're building form the same source tree (presumably) as the running kernel, yes? | 01:52 |
| tehdely | interesting... | 01:52 |
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| javispedro | I don't understand why everyone's surprised at that | 02:37 |
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| beford | about | 02:38 |
| javispedro | doesn't "at" work there too? | 02:39 |
| beford | no I mean | 02:40 |
| beford | about what | 02:40 |
| beford | xD | 02:40 |
| beford | itsnotabigtruck having issues compiling kernel modules? | 02:40 |
| javispedro | ah well, too used to being corrected | 02:40 |
| javispedro | about finding "incompatible symbols" error msgs | 02:40 |
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| beford | I'm a spanish speaker so don't expect to get corrected by me | 02:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | beford: yeah | 02:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: ah, well, i hadn't tried this before and i thought that as long as the modules don't pull in defines that contaminate the main kernel, it should all be good | 02:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's probably still possible to build many of the modules in a way that minimizes contamination | 02:45 |
| javispedro | well, this kernel has a lot less stuff by default than previous devices kernels | 02:45 |
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| javispedro | so the number will be very small | 02:45 |
| javispedro | (technically everything is possible though, even overclocking, it's just a matter of how much roadblocks one is willing to jump) | 02:50 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: heh | 02:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | overclocking is probably one of the easier things | 02:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | this issue i'm having is a problem specific to in-tree modules | 02:52 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | but yeah, it's looking like the only real options for kernel customization are open mode or two-phase boot | 02:52 |
| virtuald | guys | 02:56 |
| virtuald | are you staying awake until 1:59:26,5359 gmt to celebrate pi day? | 02:57 |
| virtuald | or CET? | 02:57 |
| virtuald | ;=) | 02:57 |
| virtuald | happy pi day! | 02:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 02:59 |
| virtuald | :D | 03:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | virtuald: got any ideas for cool mods to do with inception | 03:03 |
| virtuald | i was thinking if there's some way to get direct access to the sim | 03:03 |
| virtuald | http://openbsc.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/A5_GSM_AT_tricks | 03:04 |
| virtuald | dunno if you need inception for it | 03:05 |
| virtuald | should try | 03:05 |
| javispedro | at on the n9/50 is emulated | 03:05 |
| virtuald | ok | 03:05 |
| javispedro | you do not need anything to talk to the at emulator, just use windows hyperterminal and plug n9 via usb, or bluetooth | 03:05 |
| virtuald | it's not on the iphone? | 03:05 |
| javispedro | no idea | 03:05 |
| virtuald | i don't use windows | 03:06 |
| javispedro | then "minicom /dev/ttyACM[0-9]" | 03:06 |
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| virtuald | i use xen which i don't know how to use so i'm a bit crippled at the moment | 03:06 |
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| virtuald | should reinstall because kvm is way better i found out | 03:07 |
| virtuald | especially at conserving memory | 03:07 |
| virtuald | it has some neat copy on write tricks | 03:08 |
| * javispedro prefers xen, but I admit kvm has more active development | 03:08 | |
| javispedro | xen is still best for some stuff (pci passthrough) imo | 03:08 |
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| virtuald | ok i', on qubes os and feel a bit locked in because i haven't rtfm enough | 03:09 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | looks like afm just went down | 03:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | harmattan-dev.nokia.com doesn't seem to be working either | 03:15 |
| virtuald | what's afm? | 03:15 |
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| javispedro | hmprf | 03:16 |
| javispedro | would anyone understand why the qt doc writer meant here by "wrapped in a typedef macro"? | 03:16 |
| javispedro | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility/service-frameworks.html#limitations | 03:16 |
| javispedro | s/why/what | 03:17 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: that paragraph is an abomination | 03:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | "When using interger types for arguments...bass types" | 03:18 |
| javispedro | I understand that nothing forbids me from passing a struct | 03:19 |
| javispedro | but my guts say that I will have to write the dbus marshaller by myself | 03:19 |
| javispedro | so the entire multipleplatformness goes down the toilet | 03:19 |
| * javispedro tries to go back in time to warn myself to never spend time on this and use dbus directly | 03:20 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: i *think* what they mean | 03:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | is a typedef to an incomplete struct/class type | 03:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, a pointer thereof | 03:22 |
| javispedro | who would want to pass a pointer, this is ipc | 03:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | like typedef struct tag_cn_uber_object *cn_uber_object_t; | 03:23 |
| javispedro | but yeah, seems like it | 03:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | they're saying you can't move the contents of the cn_uber_object_t through dbus | 03:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i think...whoever wrote that has no business writing documentation | 03:23 |
| * javispedro ponders sending a QVariantMap instead of string will be easier | 03:24 | |
| javispedro | *of a struct | 03:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also virtuald: afm = apps for meego | 03:24 |
| virtuald | hmm i used to have a program named dip in debian that i used for serial consoles, now i can't find it | 03:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i wonder if it's a coincidence that both sites are down at once | 03:24 |
| javispedro | virtuald: if you want a quick test, just plug the n9, enter "connect & sync mode", and do something funny like "echo ATDT $yourlocalpolicestationnumber > /dev/ttyACM0" | 03:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | eh, must be a coincidence | 03:25 |
| virtuald | :) | 03:25 |
| javispedro | itsnotabigtruck: both use akamai | 03:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | apps for meego = CDN'd through akamai | 03:25 |
| virtuald | javispedro: you don't know the code for voice calls? | 03:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | harmattan-dev = ip is for some datacenter in helsinki | 03:25 |
| virtuald | command* | 03:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (not akamai) | 03:25 |
| javispedro | virtuald: that's actually voice :) | 03:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | er, wait | 03:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no, you're right, it is akamai | 03:26 |
| javispedro | itsnotabigtruck: they surely were a month ago | 03:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | let me double check | 03:26 |
| javispedro | ah | 03:26 |
| virtuald | really? | 03:26 |
| javispedro | virtuald: yes, callui will show up in the phone if you do it | 03:26 |
| javispedro | virtuald: of course, don't dial the police station though :) | 03:26 |
| virtuald | heh | 03:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: i got them backward | 03:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | appsformeego is in the helsinki datacenter | 03:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | harmattan-dev is akamai | 03:26 |
| virtuald | javispedro: i think they have a menu | 03:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://www.robtex.com/ip/80.248.164.207.html#whois | 03:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ^ that's apps for meego | 03:27 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: even though that AT line requests a data connection? | 03:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'd have expected it to fail since i don't think CSD (cellular services daemon) knows about CSD (circuit switched data) :p | 03:34 |
| javispedro | this is not actually a "modem" per se | 03:35 |
| virtuald | hmm nothing happens when i press keys in minicom | 03:36 |
| virtuald | no echo, no errors when i press enter | 03:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: well, it's still trying to emulate the modem command language | 03:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | old cellular networks and old cell phones actually did support actual modem connections over gsm | 03:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's just out of fashion these days | 03:38 |
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| virtuald | moserial gtk app works | 03:41 |
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| virtuald | AT+CSIM commands don't | 03:43 |
| virtuald | i could read the imsi though :> | 03:44 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | it would be nice to have dynamic range compression on my laptop | 03:45 |
| javispedro | minicom also works, but it is not minicom $PORT, rather minicom -D $PORT | 03:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not all the time, just when i need it | 03:45 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | i hate it when songs/vids/etc. have excessive headroom = too quiet on wimpy laptop speakers | 03:45 |
| virtuald | ok i don't like minicom anyway | 03:45 |
| virtuald | it's too user unfriendly | 03:45 |
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| virtuald | +++ATH0 | 03:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | has anyone built tor for harmattan yet | 03:54 |
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| virtuald | :D | 03:54 |
| virtuald | been thinking about it but wouldn't that drain the battery really fast? | 03:55 |
| AndrewX192 | Anyone know how to gett the cellular tower ID via a basic shell script on the N9? | 03:57 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | ugh, damn harmattan and its non-standard package names | 04:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (and the sdk repo for including entirely broken packages) | 04:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | er, never mind, it was actually a community repo package that was causing trouble, hrm | 04:03 |
| AndrewX192 | itsnotabigtruck: my store is still broken too | 04:03 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | AndrewX192: this is unrelated...but that's no good | 04:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | AndrewX192: i think i already pestered you about this before, but any chance you could register a QA approval for ad-hac on appsformeego? | 04:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's at 2 out of 6 required | 04:04 |
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| AndrewX192 | I haven't had a chance to test it yet | 04:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | as for the broken store thing, i'm low on ideas | 04:04 |
| AndrewX192 | I have installed though | 04:04 |
| AndrewX192 | The app starts | 04:04 |
| AndrewX192 | But I haven't created a AP | 04:04 |
| AndrewX192 | And apparently my meego account that I thought I had doesn't exist | 04:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | AndrewX192: well, if the app starts, that proves it worked :p | 04:05 |
| AndrewX192 | As long as the application works after it starts :P | 04:05 |
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| AndrewX192 | USB tethering worked though (unrelated) | 04:06 |
| AndrewX192 | acceptable speeds http://www.speedtest.net/result/1829986370.png | 04:06 |
| AndrewX192 | Not as good as the N900 though | 04:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | AndrewX192: nice | 04:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i never get that sort of speed on at&t | 04:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but that's because i'm not in an hspa+ zone | 04:07 |
| AndrewX192 | The N900 got almost 9Mb/s down | 04:07 |
| AndrewX192 | And a lower ping time | 04:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | :O | 04:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you sure that was an accurate test? | 04:07 |
| AndrewX192 | I did it a few times | 04:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rzr: it appears libevent in your repository has borked dependencies | 04:08 |
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| AndrewX192 | mid-day here | 04:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | specifically libevent-openssl-2.0-5 depends on libssl1.0.0 | 04:08 |
| AndrewX192 | It's better at night | 04:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but harmattan calls it libssl1 | 04:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | this makes libevent-openssl-2.0-5 and therefore libevent-dev impossible to install | 04:09 |
| AndrewX192 | As much as I like the N9, I'll be getting data back on my N900 soon | 04:09 |
| AndrewX192 | The terminal on the N9 is not good enough | 04:10 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | AndrewX192: what's the point to using the terminal on-device anyway | 04:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's an exercise in frustration but it's also rarely necessary | 04:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | now, over ssh it's very useful | 04:11 |
| AndrewX192 | Terminal was my #1 application on the N900 | 04:11 |
| AndrewX192 | Before the web browser even | 04:11 |
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| Enforcer | whats bad about n9 terminal? | 04:33 |
| SpeedEvil | osk is annoying | 04:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Enforcer: yeah, mostly just tricky to key things in | 04:34 |
| Enforcer | you do realise the osk is multitouch? | 04:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | SpeedEvil: if you're using ad-hac, any chance you could register a qa approval on appsformeego? | 04:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | sorry for haranguing everybody, and also i'm not sure if you're using it, i don't quite remember where everyone is :p | 04:35 |
| SpeedEvil | itsnotabigtruck: UK here. | 04:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ah right, you told me that before | 04:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - does it even apply to n950? | 04:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm pretty sure it does, yeah | 04:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it doesn't apply to brits, so never mind :p (go to sleep, yikes!) | 04:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'm finalising my grocery shopping order. | 04:36 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Enforcer: it's more punctuation and arrows that are a major pita | 04:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and multitouch doesn't really help with anything | 04:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also it looks like apps for meego is back up now | 04:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so is harmattan-dev | 04:38 |
| AndrewX192 | Enforcer: the keyboard is huge | 04:52 |
| AndrewX192 | I really don't understand why I can't copy things out out of N9 Mail | 04:52 |
| AndrewX192 | Someone should fix that | 04:53 |
| AndrewX192 | Big time | 04:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | AndrewX192: you can temporarily dismiss the keyboard, if that helps | 04:55 |
| AndrewX192 | Yeah, I know | 04:59 |
| AndrewX192 | But the gesture isnt's great | 05:00 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | we need a proper working wifi scanner | 05:44 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | looks like nokia published an update to the SDK at some point | 06:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | changes: | 06:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | energy-profiler from 1.2.0+0m6 to 1.4.4+0m6 | 06:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | libfcam, libfcam-dev added | 06:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | libndefpush, libndefpush-dev added | 06:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | libnep0 from 1.2.0+0m6 to 1.4.1+0m6 | 06:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | libnfcctl, libnfcdal, libnfcflib, libnfcchal, libnfcosal, libnfcstack added | 06:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and some other little changes | 06:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so net effect: FCam and quite a few NFC libs added, plus some minor package updates | 06:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also it appears they renamed the repo from harmattan-beta3 to harmattan | 06:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | however, this still isn't a real pr1.2 sdk :/ | 06:27 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1179181#post1179181 | 06:33 |
| AndrewX192 | Trying to get USB tethering on the N9 <-> N900 | 06:50 |
| AndrewX192 | Ended up with a N9 charging from the N900 | 06:50 |
| beford | not bad | 06:51 |
| AndrewX192 | The N9 won't last long that way | 06:52 |
| AndrewX192 | Er | 06:52 |
| AndrewX192 | N900 | 06:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | AndrewX192: might you be able to tether via bluetooth? | 06:55 |
| AndrewX192 | I don't know | 06:55 |
| AndrewX192 | WEP isn't acceptable | 06:55 |
| AndrewX192 | So I'd rather do USB or something | 06:55 |
| AndrewX192 | I have AES256 + instant lock + remote whipe on the N900 | 06:56 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | heh | 07:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's one thing i want to eventually do with inception | 07:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ffe (full flash encryption) | 07:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | boot to a minimal system, authenticate to ffe, unlock and reinit system | 07:01 |
| AndrewX192 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewx192/6981217509/in/photostream | 07:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nice | 07:15 |
| beford | talking about that, does the n9 has some lock code that I have not seen? | 07:16 |
| AndrewX192 | Yeah, the N9 has a lock code | 07:17 |
| AndrewX192 | http://grabup.andrewx192.com/1331694095 <- lol @ Dave999 on TMO | 07:17 |
| beford | oh yea there is. now I remember some people complained about it autoactivating when using MfE and being unable to unlock | 07:18 |
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| jonni | by default lock code is empty | 07:26 |
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| jonni | older protoes had a non-empty default lock code, but end users should not have gotten those devices. | 07:29 |
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| djszapi | any native English speaker online ? | 08:18 |
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| Sazpaimon | djszapi, still need help? | 09:10 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: yeah, pm ? | 09:11 |
| djszapi | http://paste.kde.org/439508/ -> well, it is also good here. I need a sanity review :) | 09:11 |
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| Sazpaimon | oh boy | 09:13 |
| Sazpaimon | give me a few minutes to read this over | 09:13 |
| Sazpaimon | okay | 09:13 |
| Sazpaimon | right away | 09:14 |
| Sazpaimon | There is a paradigm shift nowadays ongoing how we use computers and devices. | 09:14 |
| djszapi | please not here... | 09:14 |
| Sazpaimon | okay okay | 09:14 |
| djszapi | either edit or, discuss the details in private. | 09:14 |
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| djszapi | mmh, I need to request the availability for showing up an application during the presentation to the audience... Does somebody know how it works ? | 09:36 |
| djszapi | Is it just a simple cable between the beamer and the potential phone, or is it some extra gadget ? | 09:37 |
| diorahman | wow djszapi paradigm shift! | 09:41 |
| psycho_oreos | itsnotabigtruck, ping | 09:44 |
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| diorahman | djszapi: is that for a KDE conf? | 09:48 |
| djszapi | diorahman: yep, akamdemy. | 09:48 |
| diorahman | ah cool | 09:48 |
| djszapi | psycho_oreos: he is sleeping. | 09:49 |
| psycho_oreos | djszapi, bah, thanks | 09:49 |
| djszapi | so what is the name of the cable ? | 09:53 |
| djszapi | how to ask for that from the organizers ? | 09:53 |
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| jonni | if you mean N9, then dataprojector just needs to have composite inputs, you can use same composite output cable on n9 that you use on n900, and if I remember right even N9 box came with the cable. | 09:59 |
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| djszapi | jonni: I do not have it by hand, and I would not like to look for it either | 10:00 |
| djszapi | moreover, the hosting place should provide one any way | 10:00 |
| djszapi | so I am still looking for the exact name I can write to the organizers. | 10:00 |
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| jonni | djszapi: just tell them to buy this one: http://www.ebay.ie/itm/New-Genuine-Nokia-CA-75U-TV-Video-Out-Cable-N9-/350525260458?pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhoneAccesories_MobilePhoneDataCables_JN&hash=item519cef02aa | 10:01 |
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| jonni | CA-75U cable | 10:02 |
| djszapi | jonni: thanks. | 10:03 |
| jonni | ‎if I remember right tvout is locked in either portrait or landscape mode, so you might want to check it beforehand so there wont be suprices in the presentation :) | 10:05 |
| ghjgfjghjbn2 | does the N900 video cable work for N9? | 10:05 |
| jonni | ghjgfjghjbn2: yes it does | 10:05 |
| ghjgfjghjbn2 | yes! | 10:05 |
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| gabriel9|work | morning | 10:08 |
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| djszapi | jonni: ok :) | 11:10 |
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| petteri | n9 tv-out is nice. Sadly the cable which came with N900 is quite short | 11:13 |
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| flux | it's funny how n9 line-out doesn't connect to my car AUX port. it doesn't understand there's anything connected. n900 works fine.. | 11:16 |
| flux | I guess I need to solder some resistor there to encourage it a bit | 11:16 |
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| ajalkane | Weird, I'm sure RzR's repo used to have screen. But now I couldn't find it. | 11:22 |
| djszapi | ajalkane: I pushed it to the applications. | 11:22 |
| ajalkane | djszapi: what does that mean and what can I do the get it now? | 11:25 |
| djszapi | ajalkane: I am busy at work, but I can describe it this evening | 11:26 |
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| ajalkane | Ok | 11:27 |
| ajalkane | (I should be busy at work also actually :) | 11:27 |
| djszapi | ajalkane: but the idea is that we made a mess | 11:27 |
| djszapi | 500 packages in one repo -> nightmare. | 11:27 |
| djszapi | we need to split them up into several dedicated repositories, like middleware, applications, etc | 11:28 |
| djszapi | so what you can do is adding the appliations repository in a nutshell (might be broken, no warranty at this stage) | 11:28 |
| ajalkane | ok | 11:29 |
| djszapi | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan%3Aapplications | 11:29 |
| djszapi | but both repositories will hopefully be gone, so do not rely too much on them in the long future. | 11:29 |
| ajalkane | Thanks... I only need a couple tools, for own use | 11:31 |
| djszapi | you better push them into ovi or apps4meego | 11:32 |
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| tjaalton | anyone using qtsdk on ubuntu 12.04beta? the Design window seems to misbehave, it doesn't draw any widgets on the preview window | 11:35 |
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| ajalkane | Isn't the design view pretty useless with harmattan components? At least it was in the summer. I've never used it with any Ubuntu version. | 11:36 |
| tjaalton | could well be, sounds strange though | 11:38 |
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| petteri | it does not work | 11:38 |
| MohammadAG | No designer on harmattan | 11:39 |
| MohammadAG | Another reason I went with mtf | 11:39 |
| tjaalton | meh | 11:39 |
| petteri | it is really easy just write down qml stuff by hand | 11:40 |
| deram | good thing they did not base qml on xml | 11:41 |
| djszapi | petteri: +1 | 11:41 |
| MohammadAG | djszapi: MTF traitor | 11:41 |
| tjaalton | what's mtf? | 11:42 |
| MohammadAG | MeeGoTouchFramework | 11:43 |
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| MohammadAG | The framework all core apps are written in | 11:45 |
| MohammadAG | Facebook and Twitter don't count | 11:46 |
| tjaalton | ok | 11:49 |
| djszapi | similar to wtf | 11:57 |
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| * jreznik writes qml by hand, even I did the same for qwidgets based apps | 12:03 | |
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| gabriel9|work | this is nice from NOKIA: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2012/03/14/developer-library-latest-update?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed | 12:12 |
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| jreznik | gabriel9|work: +1 | 12:23 |
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| jonni | flux: you mean 2xrca, or what kind of aux port? | 12:26 |
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| jonni | flux: or you mean 3.5mm headphone connection, in which case you need to get that 4pin to normal 3pin adapter inbetween. | 12:29 |
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| flux | jonni, 2xrca in stereo, miniplug-rca-adapter | 12:55 |
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| jonni | flux: and your minuplug side has 3 connection points (and not the 4 like N9 requires)? in which case you still need that 4pin to 3pin adapter. Or you N9/N900 tvout cable, since that has 4-pin miniplug and those 2 rca audios | 12:59 |
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| jonni | or you should use... | 12:59 |
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| jonni | == N9 minuplug is not standard, even if standard headphones would fit into it ;) | 13:00 |
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| MohammadAG | Standard headphones work in it | 13:03 |
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| jonni | MohammadAG: not all work without adapter | 13:05 |
| jonni | I've had to get few adapters for some models | 13:06 |
| MohammadAG | jonni: Then they're not standard | 13:09 |
| MohammadAG | All made for iPhone ones are non standard | 13:09 |
| jonni | MohammadAG: I know, nokia uses 4-pole plug, and normal headphones uses 3-pole plugs | 13:10 |
| MohammadAG | And those with | 13:10 |
| MohammadAG | A mic also don't work | 13:10 |
| jonni | iphone uses 4-pole plugs also, but they are in different order than nokias 4-pole plugs :) | 13:10 |
| jonni | just to make them imcompatiple | 13:10 |
| jonni | :) | 13:11 |
| jonni | http://pinoutsguide.com/HeadsetsHeadphones/nokia_wh-701_pinout.shtml vs http://pinouts.ru/HeadsetsHeadphones/iphone_headphone_pinout.shtml | 13:17 |
| kimju | I've heard that some Nokia headsets in USA and rest of the world have different pinouts. any idea if that is true? | 13:18 |
| jonni | so there are adapters to cross 3-4 connection, and to make 4-pole connecio to tandar 3-pole connectio | 13:18 |
| deram | iPhone headsets use different headsets than rest of the phones on 3.5mm plug. | 13:19 |
| jonni | kimju: it depens, like e71 http://pinoutsguide.com/HeadsetsHeadphones/nokia_e71_pinout.shtml has yet another pin order for 4 pins | 13:19 |
| deram | there may be cases where other manufacturers have used the iPhone pin order for model marketed in US | 13:20 |
| jonni | so you need to know your phone model and get matching adapter to get 3-pole standard headset to work in n9 or iphone | 13:20 |
| jonni | my akg headphones came in a box which had seperate adapters for iphone and nokia phones | 13:21 |
| deram | headphones work on both just fine, the mic is the difference | 13:22 |
| jonni | deram: that depends on luck, some 3-pole adapter shortcircuit to 4th pole and there is no audio coming out in that case | 13:23 |
| jonni | just depends on the length of those 3 poles | 13:24 |
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| deram | the TRRS vs TRS plugs are specified so, that the second ring may be shorted to the sleeve, which is the ground in the standard case | 13:24 |
| deram | in iPhone pinout the second ring is the ground, and sleeve is the microphone.. | 13:25 |
| deram | so in some cases the audio is actually going through the microphone to reach the common ground | 13:25 |
| jonni | but in nokia phones its usually pin4 which is the ground | 13:25 |
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| deram | nokia and most of the android manufacturers mostly obey the original TRS-plug comatibility standards | 13:26 |
| jonni | which causes problems on quite many headphones | 13:26 |
| deram | it should not cause, since the second ring in that plug is taken from the length of the sleeve used for grounding | 13:27 |
| deram | but it causes, if the headset has the TRRS-type plug.. | 13:28 |
| jonni | deram: so you are saying that normal 3-pin headphones should work, even when N9 connector has pin1 left, pin2 right, pin3 mic and pin4 ground? | 13:30 |
| deram | jonni: yes | 13:30 |
| jonni | deram: so why doesnt fluxes 3-pin to 2-rca cable work then? | 13:30 |
| deram | it will short the mic to ground, thus saying to the phone that this is just headphones without microphone | 13:30 |
| deram | I just connected my N9 to my Audiopro Addon One active speakers using 3pin/TRS-plug cable | 13:32 |
| deram | and the sound just works | 13:32 |
| deram | this setup should be exactly the same as the fluxes setup, to what the phone understands about it | 13:33 |
| flux | I guess I will need to get my n900 video cable then | 13:33 |
| flux | it won't think I have an external tv then? | 13:34 |
| flux | I think I would prefer a miniplug-nokia-miniplugi-adapter, so I wouldn't need to fish the existing cable out :) | 13:34 |
| jonni | or it might be that automatic detection doesnt work without some resistor on the other end. or try with adapter | 13:35 |
| deram | yes.. if the car amplifier has high impedance inputs (as it probably does) the phone might think there is no device connected or even that the other end is TV | 13:36 |
| MohammadAG | My AKG phones dont work on the N950 or N900 but work fine on my laptop | 13:37 |
| deram | just to be sure, Iused also the standard miniplug to 2x RCA cable to connect my phobne to Denon AV receiver amplifier, and it just works just as it should | 13:38 |
| flux | I think I would be happy if I just were able to tell n9 that please, push some audio through that port | 13:39 |
| flux | I think it's still electrically connected | 13:39 |
| deram | flux: have you tried that the port works with normal haedphones? | 13:41 |
| flux | deram, yes. works. | 13:41 |
| deram | that is strange then. | 13:42 |
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| jonni | forum does have few threads about headset detection problems, so it might vary depending what you connect to it | 13:46 |
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| jonni | flux: ofcourse its just sw so you can in thery just hack twl5031_aci kernel module :) | 13:55 |
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| jonni | flux: heh actually you can just echo to sys kernel to force detection and audio out. let me pm you the details | 13:58 |
| flux | jonni, thanks ;) | 13:58 |
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| djszapi | jonni: p | 14:19 |
| djszapi | does the CA-75U cable work with the N950 devices ? | 14:19 |
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| aquarius | win | 14:29 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | psycho_oreos: what's up | 15:07 |
| MohammadAG | jonni: PM them to me too if you don't mind :p | 15:12 |
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| divan0 | my N950 has stopped showing battery status. Battery shows 0% and charging doesn't work when plugged into USB (but USB is connected well) Is it me or it's known issue? | 15:36 |
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| divan0 | Is it normal? dmesg | grep bme - "init: bme main process (369) terminated with status 1; init: bme main process ended, respawning" | 15:43 |
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| djszapi | http://dot.kde.org/2012/03/13/plasma-active-three-sprint :) | 15:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | divan0: hrm, that's not good | 16:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | is the bme running? | 16:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ps aux | grep bme | 16:01 |
| divan0 | itsnotabigtruck: only hal helper | 16:01 |
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| divan0 | hald-addon-bme | 16:01 |
| divan0 | I rebooted device twice, seems bme dies on start. | 16:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | divan0: what if you run bme from devel-su | 16:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | do you get any interesting errors | 16:03 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/qvz0b/found_this_today_at_work/c40wuco?context=1 | 16:07 |
| Iktwo | itsnotabigtruck: hahahaha | 16:10 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Iktwo: any progress on your wifi scanner? | 16:17 |
| Iktwo | No :( a russian guy released one that does what I wanted without wireless-tools | 16:18 |
| Iktwo | I checked credentials of his app | 16:18 |
| Iktwo | an found weird things | 16:18 |
| Iktwo | like CAP::sys_chroot | 16:18 |
| Iktwo | or FacebookSocial | 16:18 |
| Iktwo | also icd2:icd2-plugin so I'm sure it has to be something related to icd2, I emailed him asking if he is releasing the source code or if he could help pointing me in the right direction | 16:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Iktwo: is it published yet | 16:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that sounds peculiar | 16:20 |
| Iktwo | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83032 | 16:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i still don't understand why you haven't gone and fixed the credentials of your app yet | 16:20 |
| Iktwo | why would he need FacebookSocial credential? | 16:20 |
| Iktwo | because I don't want to use wireless-tools it's not the right way | 16:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's quite simple a) take out the aegis manifest, b) reinstall, c) keep running it using aegis-exec and narrow down the credentials | 16:21 |
| Iktwo | I need to get it working usin icd2 | 16:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Iktwo: it looks like meewiman doesn't actually have an aegis manfiest | 16:22 |
| Iktwo | no? I ran accli -p PID -I | 16:22 |
| Iktwo | and saw that facebook thing.. | 16:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | are you sure you didn't just see all the developer credentials | 16:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or something like that | 16:23 |
| Iktwo | maybe, I just ran that command, but maybe I did saw wrong output | 16:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | compare it to accli -I from develsh | 16:25 |
| Iktwo | it's the same | 16:25 |
| Iktwo | so I saw wrong output | 16:25 |
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| Iktwo | the real output it's just UID:user GRP:users | 16:27 |
| Diagar | any girl | 16:28 |
| Diagar | any girl | 16:28 |
| MohammadAG | yay Harmattan sysroot update | 16:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | MohammadAG: sysroot update? | 16:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Diagar: you sure you're in the right channel... :p | 16:29 |
| MohammadAG | itsnotabigtruck, from 1.1 to 1.2 I think | 16:30 |
| Diagar | hhh ys | 16:30 |
| Diagar | i like ukranian girlz | 16:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | MohammadAG: oh, this: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/QtSDK/QtSDK-1.2-Harmattan-target_2012-03-13.html | 16:31 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | except it's not the real pr1.2 sdk | 16:31 |
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| Iktwo | Diagar I like unkarnian girlz too, but I ain't asking here.. | 16:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | they're still crippling things to pr1.0 level | 16:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (wtf ^^) | 16:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | MohammadAG Iktwo: know of any interesting fcam-based apps | 16:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | now that the headers are out | 16:34 |
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| MohammadAG | itsnotabigtruck, no, but making one should be easy | 16:34 |
| MohammadAG | in MTF of course | 16:34 |
| Iktwo | I saw you asked on TMO I've used FCam on N900, but I don't know something special | 16:34 |
| MohammadAG | the C++ backends would be from fcamera on the N900 | 16:34 |
| danielcbit | Hi Everybody. | 16:35 |
| divan0 | itsnotabigtruck: strace -e trace=open bme_RX-71 -> "open("/tmp/.bmeevt", O_RDWR|O_CREAT, 0644) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)" | 16:35 |
| divan0 | after deleting .bmeevt it traps on "open("/var/run/bme.pid", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)" | 16:35 |
| danielcbit | For some days I've been having some problems regarding UI being launched by a daemon and the vkb not showing up. | 16:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | divan0: hrm...better check the perms on those then | 16:36 |
| danielcbit | Today I found the source of my problems. And I'd like to share with you. | 16:37 |
| danielcbit | For vkb to show in Qt Apps in Harmattan, an env variable has to be set. it is QT_IM_MODULE=MInputContext | 16:38 |
| divan0 | itsnotabigtruck: does bme_RX-71 stands for bme server? | 16:38 |
| Iktwo | danielcbit: thanks | 16:38 |
| divan0 | http://pastebin.com/gdFqCRTQ | 16:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it stands for battery management entity - rx-71 | 16:38 |
| danielcbit | Without this variable being set in the env. The virtual keyboard doesn't show. | 16:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and rx-71 is a model code that got scrapped | 16:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | probably turned into rm-696 or rm-680 | 16:39 |
| danielcbit | So, if some UI app is runned from a daemon toy have to set DISPLAY=:0 and QT_IM_MODULE=MInputContext for it to work correctly. | 16:39 |
| Jare | has anyone experienced choppy audio with sip calls over wifi? I'm getting around 30 rtp packets per minute with a wrong timestamp in the other end | 16:41 |
| Jare | the same count over 3G is 0 | 16:41 |
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| danielcbit | Jare: Couldn't this be related to slow network or some sort of port blocking? | 16:45 |
| Khertan | Hello ! | 16:45 |
| danielcbit | Jare: Some telcos don't allow voip traffic in their networks. Or do some traffic shaping on it. | 16:46 |
| Khertan | I facing some strange problem launching python apps via /usr/bin/invoker ... it s use 70% of cpu ... is there any know issue using it with python ? | 16:46 |
| divan0 | itsnotabigtruck: can you show your output for 'ps ax | grep bme'? :) | 16:46 |
| ajalkane | danielcbit: interesting, thanks | 16:48 |
| Khertan | any idea ? | 16:48 |
| Jare | danielcbit: it's my own network. 54Mbps (g standard) wifi and 1Gbps ethernet to the server. I have no problems using a softphone in the same wifi | 16:48 |
| Jare | and it shouldn't be a server problem since I'm capturing the packets before they reach the sip server | 16:50 |
| ajalkane | danielcbit: have you tried if just running the daemon using "aegis-exec -l" sets the correct variables? | 16:50 |
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| danielcbit | ajalkane: As it runs as daemon. A login shell would not work. | 16:52 |
| merlin1991 | oh shit I just realized I have to upgrade my harmattan scratchbox | 16:54 |
| * merlin1991 is expecting breaks | 16:54 | |
| ajalkane | danielcbit: it only simulates login shell. I seem to remember using that switch sets the DISPLAY variable so was wondering if that other is set too | 16:54 |
| ajalkane | Those environment variables are set in /etc/profile so perhaps that "simulate login shell" also runs it | 16:55 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Khertan: ping | 16:57 |
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| Khertan | ZogG_laptop: pong | 16:59 |
| Khertan | ZogG_laptop: 50% packet loss ? | 17:00 |
| divan0 | Guys, if bme is stopped, does battery actually charges or not, when plugged into USB or wall-charger? | 17:01 |
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| MohammadAG | probably, but very slowly | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG | so you'd probably be losing more battery power than gaining | 17:02 |
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| divan0 | so I need to figure out how to fix bme before battery will be empty | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | or ask DocScrutinizer how to kick in proper charging | 17:04 |
| ajalkane | Quite an exciting race against time | 17:04 |
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| divan0 | DocScrutinizer: ping | 17:08 |
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| beford | how did you break it | 17:11 |
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| divan0 | beford: dunno. I got lockscreen freeze and rebooted device, then noticed that batterly level is 0% but device working. | 17:13 |
| divan0 | oh. seems I've fixed. removed /tmp/.bme* files and rebooted. | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | what is shortening the shown text and ... to the end called? | 17:14 |
| MohammadAG | and adding...* | 17:14 |
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| ajalkane | time to go | 17:15 |
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| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: sup | 17:22 |
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| MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, nm | 17:32 |
| MohammadAG | I need a QRegExp for a URL | 17:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what's up | 17:37 |
| beford | hi | 17:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | is it just me or is the pace of things on tmo etc. kinda slowing down | 17:39 |
| Khertan | ZogG_laptop: ping ? | 17:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw MohammadAG: consider maybe making a duicontrolpanel applet for your led event notifier? it would be cool to turn it on or off from settings | 17:41 |
| * Khertan launch a ballistic nuclear missile targetting the guy which create /usr/bin/invoker | 17:41 | |
| Khertan | !::::::::::::::!!!!!!!!! | 17:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Khertan: what problem are you having | 17:42 |
| Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: average cpu use of 90% | 17:42 |
| Khertan | when i launch my python program | 17:42 |
| beford | blame python | 17:42 |
| Khertan | works like a charm without that piece of shit | 17:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Khertan: is the cpu usage coming from invoker or your program | 17:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | invoker is open source, read through it and see if you can figure out where it's going wrong | 17:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | Khertan: istalled manually python-pyside and got apps4meego client update, the editor installed fine, the question which one was the solution? | 17:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: ? | 17:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | https://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/meegotouch-applauncherd | 17:43 |
| Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: invoker is the source of the problem | 17:44 |
| Khertan | launching normally cpu usage is under 2% | 17:44 |
| MohammadAG | itsnotabigtruck, Harmattan development is proving a bit hard | 17:44 |
| Khertan | ZogG_laptop: don't know ... apps4meego have strange problem too on my device | 17:45 |
| MohammadAG | itsnotabigtruck, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1179354&postcount=54 | 17:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Khertan: i didn't say "source of the problem", i said, is invoker actually consuming the cpu | 17:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or is using invoker causing behavior in your app | 17:45 |
| MohammadAG | itsnotabigtruck, but Im willing to be there are no example of a duicontrolpanel applet | 17:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | MohammadAG: most of the stock duicontrolpanel applets are open source actually | 17:45 |
| Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: no behavior ... just probably source of eating cpu | 17:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | https://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/meegotouch-controlpanelapplets | 17:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Khertan: use htop to watch the cpu usage | 17:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: duicontrol applet is the popup in the top? | 17:46 |
| MohammadAG | itsnotabigtruck, oh really? cool | 17:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: it's the settings program | 17:46 |
| MohammadAG | itsnotabigtruck, umm, afaik those were dropped in harmattan | 17:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | oh | 17:46 |
| MohammadAG | could be wrong though | 17:46 |
| Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: this is what i use to see it :) | 17:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's called "duicontrolpanel" (DirectUI Control Panel) under the hood | 17:46 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | MohammadAG: nah, i'm fairly certain those are it | 17:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: than there is source for app that is acctually only setting and daemon - the feed-calendar one | 17:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | MohammadAG: in fact you can tell because that repo i linked, it has pr10/11/12/13 forks | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG | itsnotabigtruck, cool, thanks | 17:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, branches, not forks | 17:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: calendar feed* it's on gitoriuos | 17:48 |
| Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: did you see any error in such line : /usr/bin/invoker --type=e /usr/local/bin/greatestapps.py --single-instance | 17:48 |
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| Khertan | ? | 17:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Khertan: no...but what i'm thinking is either | 17:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | a) invoker is aegis-aware - it might be causing weird behavior in your app by dropping caps | 17:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | b) invoker's single instance code might break with python guis, or the specific way you spawn your python gui | 17:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | e.g. maybe it's spinning forever waiting for your gui to appear or something | 17:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh, also | 17:49 |
| Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: my apps is just a simple text editor creating a QApplication in a qdeclarative view | 17:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the --single-instance part can be shortened to -s and it should come before the path | 17:50 |
| Khertan | ah ... will try :) | 17:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also it looks like invoker has a -c flag that prints out the credentials assigned to your program | 17:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so play with that too | 17:51 |
| MohammadAG | message.replace(QRegExp("((?:https?|ftp)://\\S+)"), "<a href=\"\\1\">\\1</a>") muhahahaha found it | 17:51 |
| Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: hum ... playing with flag ... i discover that using -w is resolving high cpu usage | 17:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Khertan: that's weird...it says -w is the default | 17:52 |
| Khertan | lol | 17:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw Khertan MohammadAG: any chance you guys could enter qa approvals for ad-hac on appsformeego? i know you have no real use for it, but... | 17:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | install it and verify that it doesn't cause your n9 to erupt in a nuclear firestorm or something first though :p | 17:55 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | the problem is that hardly anyone has meego.com accounts and out of those that do, few care to enter qa approvals, meaning everything is stuck in testing forever | 17:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Khertan: also let me know when you put the new version into afm so i can test/approve | 17:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | hmm | 17:57 |
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| Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: ok | 18:02 |
| Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: what the process to validate that an in testing is ok ? | 18:04 |
| Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: just leaving a comment ? | 18:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: there is QA questions on site itself | 18:05 |
| Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: ok ... -w wasn't enough | 18:05 |
| Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: it s eating cpu again | 18:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Khertan: you click the button saying Community QA | 18:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | log into your meego.com account | 18:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | tick the checkbox at the top | 18:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | make sure everything listed works correctly | 18:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | submit the form | 18:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | comments don't do anything - that's the problem | 18:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's a lot of apps with e.g. 5 comments and 0 qa approvals | 18:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because people are commenting but they aren't approving | 18:06 |
| Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: maybe are they just using the n9 client :) | 18:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | gp :p | 18:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: jabber? | 18:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | ~ping | 18:10 |
| infobot | ~pong | 18:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: sure | 18:10 |
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| Khertan | Rahahahah that fucking invoker is required for OVI | 18:11 |
| Khertan | ... | 18:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | ha i think i deleted it from desktop file as it wouldn't start my app | 18:12 |
| Khertan | me start it ... but then eat cpu | 18:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | Khertan: rm -rf / | 18:15 |
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| Khertan | yeah ! | 18:15 |
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| twoboxen | so who has flashed the open kernel on PR1.2? :) | 18:22 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | twoboxen: haven't over here, though supposedly it works | 18:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you could just get incepted instead :) | 18:32 |
| twoboxen | inception doesn't allow chroot | 18:32 |
| twoboxen | that's my main reason :) | 18:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | twoboxen: actually, it does | 18:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | install inception, opensh, and aegisctl | 18:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you don't need aegisctl at all actually to run something in a chroot as non-root | 18:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but if you want to run things as root in the chroot you need to do aegisctl -s | 18:33 |
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| twoboxen | i installed the first two | 18:37 |
| twoboxen | didn't use aegisctl | 18:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | twoboxen: it's new, so that's probably why :p | 18:37 |
| twoboxen | eh, I have a backup... time to play around. I want to activate god mode on the device | 18:37 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | twoboxen: well, inception + opensh + aegisctl is just that | 18:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | installing the custom kernel just makes aegis broken | 18:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | openmode will be useful for things like enhanced kernels and replacement operating systems | 18:40 |
| twoboxen | yeah, nitdroid | 18:40 |
| twoboxen | ok, i'll first see if my needs are met by aegisctl | 18:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but if you just want to control aegis it's way overkill and just causes a bunch of problems | 18:40 |
| merlin1991 | X-Fade: ping | 18:40 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | twoboxen: any luck with aegisctl? | 19:35 |
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| twoboxen | itsnotabigtruck: I have it installed, and I'm trying to understand usage | 19:36 |
| danielcbit | Does somebody experience slow data transfers while updating app in PR1.2? Despite my 10 Mbps connection. All updates are very slow. | 19:36 |
| twoboxen | itsnotabigtruck: I modified my script with aegisctl -s chroot /home/user/debian /bin/zsh | 19:37 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | twoboxen: just fyi aegisctl doesn't run things | 19:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's two different steps | 19:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also aegisctl is global for the entire system | 19:38 |
| twoboxen | ah, ok | 19:38 |
| twoboxen | that explains it | 19:38 |
| twoboxen | so what would the steps be | 19:38 |
| twoboxen | opensh, devel-su, aegisctl, chroot? | 19:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | do devel-su before opensh | 19:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also consider dropping capabilities inside the chroot, if you don't want it to be run as god mode | 19:39 |
| twoboxen | how do you mean? | 19:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, for running chroot as a normal user, you would do something like | 19:39 |
| twoboxen | so you also said that open mode just breaks aegis... how does this work differently | 19:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | /usr/bin/aegis-exec -c -a CAP::sys_chroot chroot /home/user/debian /usr/bin/aegis-exec -c /bin/zsh | 19:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (this assumes you installed the aegis utilities into the chroot) | 19:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you could also install libcap2-bin into the chroot and use that to drop the caps | 19:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for running the chroot as root | 19:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then you'd instead want to do aegisctl -s | 19:41 |
| twoboxen | muahaha | 19:41 |
| twoboxen | i'm in. | 19:41 |
| twoboxen | thanks :) | 19:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | heh | 19:41 |
| twoboxen | as root right now | 19:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, just be mindful of what capabilities things inside the chroot run with | 19:41 |
| twoboxen | but i can fix that later | 19:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | don't run everything as root all the time | 19:42 |
| twoboxen | yeah | 19:42 |
| twoboxen | so when i'm done do i need to do aegisctl +s? | 19:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah | 19:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for script usage, you should do | 19:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | PREVFLAGS=`aegisctl` | 19:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | aegisctl -s | 19:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | # do something | 19:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | aegisctl --really "$PREVFLAGS" | 19:43 |
| twoboxen | excellent | 19:43 |
| twoboxen | that way if i had -s set before i'd still ahve it when done | 19:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it still affects the system globally and could have races or other interference if multiple programs are fooling with the flags | 19:44 |
| twoboxen | yeah, that would be my own fault | 19:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | twoboxen: did i already pester you about ad-hac? | 19:45 |
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| twoboxen | ad-hac? | 19:46 |
| twoboxen | ... No one pesters me except my coworkers | 19:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you might find it useful, it allows you to use the wi-fi hotspot inside the us | 19:46 |
| twoboxen | is that just enabling that one flag... can't remember where | 19:46 |
| twoboxen | that disables the sar prevention :) | 19:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if it works please put in a qa approval here http://apps.formeego.org/staging/applications/n9/pr1.0/harmattan/Network/ad-hac/ with your meego.com account | 19:46 |
| twoboxen | k | 19:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | sort of...most approaches turn the flag back on | 19:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | my approach prevents it from being turned off | 19:47 |
| twoboxen | yours is different? | 19:47 |
| twoboxen | ah | 19:47 |
| twoboxen | how do you do that? | 19:47 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | some creativity with dbus, you can look at the source package and see how | 19:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | all it does is install a config file | 19:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | right now it's stuck at 2/6 approvals (no one seems to think of approving apps on appsformeego) | 19:48 |
| twoboxen | ok | 19:48 |
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| twoboxen | i'll go do so | 19:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | awesome thanks | 19:48 |
| piggz | has anyone upgraded QtSDK to the latest harmatten target? | 19:50 |
| piggz | if so, have you noticed increased app startup times? | 19:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | piggz: haven't tried it myself, i'm sure someone else has | 19:51 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | they still neglected to release a real sdk for pr1.2 | 19:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or pr1.1 for that matter | 19:51 |
| piggz | itsnotabigtruck: what way do you mean not real? | 19:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | piggz: as plebeians we only have access to the PR1.0 SDK | 19:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | with some extra libs from later releases added in | 19:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the idea is to force people to be compliant with ovi policy by not writing apps for >PR1.0 firmware | 19:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and that policy is due to nokia neglecting to add the ability to check firmware versions into the ovi store client | 19:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | :/ | 19:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | this means that in order to do anything unusual that requires newer libraries, you have to go to extraordinary measures | 19:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and also have major trouble getting your app into appsformeego | 19:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | even though you're relying on existing libraries supplied by nokia with the firmware | 19:54 |
| piggz | itsnotabigtruck: but.......its still an awesome phone ;) | 19:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | piggz: it might be but nokia's mishandling of parts of it is infuriating | 19:56 |
| piggz | itsnotabigtruck: well, you could say alot of things in nokia are mis-handled :) | 19:57 |
| piggz | but, its still allowing me tobe creative | 19:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | piggz: right, i'm not saying harmattan is /bad/ or that it doesn't allow 'being creative' | 19:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but i don't like having to jump over obstacles that have no reason to be there in the first place | 19:58 |
| piggz | is there a list of differences between the PRs? .... by always using the latest, i guess you loose sight of what doesnt work in older versions | 19:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | piggz: well, 2 examples i know of | 19:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | a) timed in 1.1 adds the ability to fire processes when the time/time zone is changed | 20:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which is very useful for triggering events that must occur whenever the day of month changes, and things like that | 20:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | needed that for calendarrr and end up doing a super ugly hack (copying headers/libs into my source package) | 20:00 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | b) 1.2 added signon-oauth2 for oauth credentials management | 20:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (added for use by the twitter client but has other applications) | 20:01 |
| piggz | ...they added support for anna and belle in ovi store ...... they presumably could add support for minimum n9 versions | 20:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but the headers needed to use it aren't shipped with the sdk | 20:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | zogg needed that for his imgur client | 20:02 |
| piggz | ooo...i need to re-write my latitude client by the end of the month to use oauth2....google are switching off oauth1 access | 20:02 |
| piggz | was just going to use the webview trick | 20:02 |
| lizardo | itsnotabigtruck: where can I get the source code for ad-hac? | 20:02 |
| merlin1991 | any ideas which token I need in order to set the date from a binary? | 20:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lizardo: it doesn't actually have source code, it only installs a config file | 20:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | do dpkg -x on the deb and you'll see | 20:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | second, there's a link in the tmo thread | 20:03 |
| merlin1991 | I compiled rdate but it only works as 'developer' user and root get a permission denied | 20:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | merlin1991: it's one of the linux capabilities | 20:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | look up man capabilities | 20:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or man <whatevertheapiyouuseis> | 20:04 |
| lizardo | itsnotabigtruck: ok, It's just that I'm on desktop and the appsformeego page only shows the device-only "apps://" url :) | 20:04 |
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| lizardo | who is managing appsformeego BTW? X-Fade ? | 20:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lizardo: oh, right, the AFM page is really just for putting in the qa approval | 20:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah | 20:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and lbt | 20:04 |
| merlin1991 | ah appears to be CAP_SYS_TIME | 20:04 |
| rlinfati | DocScrutinizer, Today i recive my dvd with the harmattan sources version 30.2012.07-1 , the pr12 of the N9 (!= pr12 n950 ) | 20:05 |
| * merlin1991 scratches head while reading manifest syntax notes | 20:05 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | rlinfati: javispedro received that a while back and published the iso | 20:06 |
| lizardo | itsnotabigtruck: one think I liked on the maemo.org QA pages, was that you were able to download sources and .deb from the page... I'm sure appsformeego we can, it is just not a quick link:) | 20:06 |
| lizardo | thing* | 20:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lizardo: yeah, every appsformeego entry has a corresponding obs entry with source/deb links | 20:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though obs has its own usability problems | 20:06 |
| rlinfati | if you want, i can upload the 2012.07 version | 20:06 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | rlinfati: i'm pretty sure you have the exact same image he uploaded | 20:06 |
| rlinfati | nop, here is the diference http://paste.ubuntu.com/883665/ | 20:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | they shipped an iso image burned on a dvd as a file, right? | 20:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | do a sha-1 of the iso | 20:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ah, you're right | 20:07 |
| rlinfati | nop, the dvd has the .targz, .dsc, etc, NOT an .iso file. | 20:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the iso i have is 30.2012.03-5_sources.iso | 20:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | interesting | 20:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ok, upload away | 20:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | better yet, make a torrent | 20:07 |
| rlinfati | not sure if i can use torrent at the university | 20:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but image the disc as an iso first | 20:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you're on windows imgburn is a good free utility for that | 20:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (not open source though :() | 20:08 |
| * rlinfati linux user | 20:08 | |
| twoboxen | itsnotabigtruck: how do I download an apps://1525 URL? | 20:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | twoboxen lizardo: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82715 | 20:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just use that | 20:09 |
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| rlinfati | also, the diference on the device (!= sdk) between 2012.03-4 and 2012.07-1 are: http://paste.ubuntu.com/883668/ | 20:09 |
| lizardo | itsnotabigtruck: found it : http://repo.apps.formeego.org/harmattan/apps-testing/all/ad-hac_1.0_all.deb | 20:10 |
| lizardo | got the direct URL from the n9 client .deb | 20:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lizardo: yep, in fact my tmo post links back to that | 20:10 |
| twoboxen | ok cool | 20:12 |
| twoboxen | downloaded, tested, works great, voted you up | 20:12 |
| twoboxen | nice work :) | 20:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | twoboxen: awesome thanks | 20:13 |
| Khertan | rah stupid native browser can t upload file to cobs | 20:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i hope that "i don't know" for the icon field won't interfere with the approval | 20:13 |
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| lizardo | I was more interested on how it works anyway, as I don't need it in my country :) | 20:13 |
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| lizardo | (actually, I never used hotspot function) | 20:14 |
| Khertan | is there a way to submit package to cobs in additions to the web interface ? | 20:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lizardo: heh | 20:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | install it anyway! then approve it :) | 20:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it doesn't hurt to install it if you don't need it | 20:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then you can have a truly global n9 :p | 20:14 |
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| Khertan | Rahhh and they broke Firefox with that v11 ... cannot anymore select deb for upload | 20:18 |
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| Khertan | Let user decide what he want to do ! Do not take wrong decision for him ! | 20:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Khertan: is that @ me? | 20:22 |
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| Khertan | nope ... :) just ranting | 20:25 |
| Khertan | are you a firefox devel ? | 20:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Khertan: nah, definitely not | 20:26 |
| Khertan | so not to you | 20:26 |
| Khertan | :) | 20:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i think romaxa is the main guy for the firefox port (he's a nokiite) | 20:26 |
| twoboxen | this is so exciting having my chroot ready to go | 20:26 |
| piggz | what is the size limit for apps created with the qtsdk? if i recall, /tmp is something small, and my package is now 19mb | 20:26 |
| twoboxen | my world just opened | 20:26 |
| piggz | and failing to upload | 20:26 |
| Khertan | they broke firefox by design, you cannot upload anymore upload any type of file on harmattan | 20:26 |
| Khertan | only things that stupid trackers track | 20:27 |
| Khertan | Any way to submit apps to cobs than webinterface ? | 20:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Khertan: yeah, osc | 20:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but why are you trying to upload from the phone itself | 20:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | upload from your devbox | 20:28 |
| Khertan | because it s the only device i ve | 20:29 |
| Khertan | right now | 20:29 |
| Khertan | and it s when i m in the train that i ve the time for hobby devel | 20:29 |
| tehdely | i like that my phone got firefox 11 | 20:29 |
| tehdely | before my ubuntu desktop did | 20:29 |
| tehdely | it is a bit more responsive, btw | 20:29 |
| tehdely | fennec 10 was horrifyingly slow | 20:29 |
| Khertan | tehdely: but was usefull to complete the native browser weakness, now it s useless | 20:31 |
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| Khertan | itsnotabigtruck, which is my n950 :) | 20:31 |
| Khertan | itsnotabigtruck, and it s break the use i ve... can t upload things now | 20:32 |
| Khertan | this sucks so much ! | 20:32 |
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| Khertan | maybe i should go back to n900 ... was less powerfull but have less limitation too ! | 20:33 |
| tehdely | Khertan: so you can't upload any files now? | 20:34 |
| tehdely | i haven't tested | 20:34 |
| tehdely | that is a strange restriction | 20:34 |
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| Khertan | tehdely : you can upload picture, sound and text document that tracker is capable to found | 20:36 |
| Khertan | also pdf | 20:37 |
| Khertan | %othing more | 20:37 |
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| tehdely | sounds like a "feature" | 20:38 |
| tehdely | is the source available? | 20:38 |
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| Khertan | a "feature" like in "It s not a bug it s a feature" | 20:41 |
| Khertan | it s a regression by design | 20:41 |
| tehdely | hence the quotes | 20:42 |
| tehdely | ;) | 20:42 |
| Khertan | and native webbrowser didn t even provide an file dialog for upload | 20:43 |
| Khertan | :( | 20:43 |
| Khertan | no other choice | 20:43 |
| Khertan | itsnotabigtruck, did you know what is the protocol behinf osc ? | 20:43 |
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| Khertan | i can understand why there is so low interest in doing apps for harmattan | 20:46 |
| Khertan | there is always something that require workarround | 20:47 |
| Khertan | bye | 20:48 |
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| djszapi | jreznik: hey there. | 21:00 |
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| jreznik | djszapi: hi | 21:04 |
| djszapi | jreznik: how can I generate the rpm changes file ? | 21:04 |
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| djszapi | is it similar to the changelog file writing with the ".deb" packages ? | 21:05 |
| jreznik | generate rpm changelog file? what do you mean, I'm not very familiar with .deb even packaging on Harmattan | 21:08 |
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| djszapi | jreznik: nah, changes file is related to rpm, changelog file is related to .deb :) | 21:09 |
| jreznik | djszapi: so you want to get changelog from rpm and export it to file | 21:11 |
| jreznik | ? | 21:11 |
| djszapi | jreznik: nah | 21:13 |
| djszapi | jreznik: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=kanagram&project=home%3Adjszapi%3AKDE-Devel -> You can see a *.changes file in there. | 21:14 |
| jreznik | djszapi: ah, I don't know, in fedora we have changelog in spec file... | 21:16 |
| jreznik | hmm, with pr 1.2 the sip is broken - it freezes phone after a half hour... before I was using it for 1.5h calls without any problems | 21:21 |
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| gabriel9 | rZr | 21:53 |
| gabriel9 | ping | 21:53 |
| teleshoes | libc6-dev wont come without the pr1.2 sdk, yea? | 21:54 |
| gabriel9 | still i can't install Debuggeing on N9 | 21:56 |
| teleshoes | im asking the world-at-large if gcc headers are on the horizon for pr1.2 | 21:58 |
| gabriel9 | this is new: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Developing_for_Harmattan_Developer_tools_Using_Instrumentation_Dashboard.html | 22:01 |
| teleshoes | ooh cute | 22:02 |
| rZr | gabriel9: hi wasup | 22:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyone with scratchbox going? if so, could you grab the libc6 from the sources iso and build it | 22:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that will produce the missing -dbg package | 22:03 |
| gabriel9 | rZr: how to vote? | 22:03 |
| gabriel9 | onr | 22:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rzr: fyi the libevent package in your repository has a broken package dependency on libssl1.0.0 | 22:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (needs to be libssl1) | 22:03 |
| gabriel9 | for redak, also i cant use it. It's just do nothing :/ | 22:03 |
| gabriel9 | also let us write some parser for syntax highlight :) | 22:04 |
| gabriel9 | for js | 22:04 |
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| MohammadAG | What's the sine wave wallpaper thing? | 22:31 |
| rZr | itsnotabigtruck: djszapi wanna fix it ? or we delete it for now ? | 22:35 |
| rZr | gabriel9: i ported it on symbian i just tested on belle now | 22:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rzr: well maybe investigate first? | 22:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm wondering *why* it's getting built with a borked dependency | 22:36 |
| rZr | itsnotabigtruck: let me have a look | 22:36 |
| rZr | omg | 22:39 |
| rZr | The requested URL /pool/harmattan-beta3/ was not found on this server. | 22:39 |
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| rZr | no more beta | 22:39 |
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| rZr | itsnotabigtruck: it looks that that package was agreated from other repo, i am rebuilding it to double check | 22:41 |
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| AndrewX192 | What in the world | 22:55 |
| AndrewX192 | I had a creeking N9 | 22:55 |
| AndrewX192 | But I just realized, that it doesn't creek anymore | 22:55 |
| AndrewX192 | No matter what I do, no creeks | 22:56 |
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| AndrewX192 | It feels solid now | 22:56 |
| rZr | itsnotabigtruck: i just rebuilt it | 22:57 |
| rZr | itsnotabigtruck: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/binary?arch=armv7el&filename=libevent-1.4-2_1.4.13-stable-1_armel.deb&package=libevent&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan&repository=harmattan | 22:58 |
| rZr | itsnotabigtruck: only depends on libc | 22:58 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | rzr: the problematic package was libevent-openssl iirc | 23:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rzr: it looks like libevent 2.0 is no longer being compiled, hmm | 23:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the reason i ws looking into libevent was because of tor | 23:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and i'm not precisely sure what tor actually requires | 23:24 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | btw anyone up for the libc6 package build? | 23:29 |
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| gabriel9 | RzR | 23:50 |
| gabriel9 | ping | 23:50 |
| gabriel9 | where to put icon? | 23:50 |
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