IRC log of #harmattan for Monday, 2012-03-12

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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, cause I could use if (!obj)00:03
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: not really, NULL is not absolutely same as 0 or true00:04
MohammadAGNULL = 000:04
DocScrutinizerit's defined to be 0, but that may change00:04
itsnotabigtruckMohammadAG: sounds like they installed inception but didn't run pasiv00:05
MohammadAGwell, true00:05
itsnotabigtruckneed to run pasiv, then re-incept00:05
MohammadAGitsnotabigtruck, mind replying?00:05
itsnotabigtruckyeah sure00:05
DocScrutinizerI recently had the joy of attending a 3 day coding training for my job, and we got advised to even use NIL to compare for objects and initialize pointers, as 0 is a valid addr on some arch00:07
MohammadAGanyone familiar with copy constructors?00:07
DocScrutinizerthat's because of ANSI(?) C defines NULL = 000:07
djszapiI guess many...copy ctor is a basic thingie.00:07
MohammadAG djszapi00:08
djszapiyou do not wanna call a ctor from another ctor00:09
djszapiat least not this way00:09
djszapiitsnotabigtruck: heh00:11
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djszapiyou know what was the problem for the deps ?00:11
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djszapithere was a missing tab after the shlibdeps override line :)00:12
djszapivimdiff ftw ;)00:12
djszapiso it was just an empty line.00:12
djszapiwhich is not considered anything useful.00:12
MohammadAGI'll just have default values00:13
djszapiMohammadAG: you do not wanna return in the ctor either00:14
djszapiplease ask yourself the question: What do I try to achieve, can i use copy ctor ? If yes, solution is trivial, if not, it needs more tweaking.00:15
faenilguys what do you use if you want two versions of a program using two differents components sets?00:17
faenilimport and or whatever00:17
faenildo you have 2 qml just for that or some other better solution?00:17
djszapidifferent qmls00:17
faeniloh crap00:17
djszapithere are no qml prepocessor.00:17
faenilyeah I hoped in something else :)00:18
faenilI've done everything to keep a single qml codebase to avoid disalignment...00:18
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: lol00:18
djszapiitsnotabigtruck: kinda cumbersome, right ? :)00:18
itsnotabigtruckMohammadAG: btw it definitely doesn't seem to be working00:20
itsnotabigtrucki just tried smsing myself and locking it00:20
itsnotabigtrucksms arrives just afterward, no led activity00:21
itsnotabigtruck11524 root     /usr/bin/led-event-notifier < process is still running00:21
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: well, you could run your qml through cpp, couldn't you?00:21
djszapiwhat do you mean ?00:22
MohammadAGitsnotabigtruck, err, can you stop apps/led-event-notifier00:23
MohammadAGthen run it manually?00:23
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: cpp as in c preprocessor00:23
itsnotabigtrucki need to find a cheaper way to trigger this, i don't have a bucket sms plan00:24
MohammadAGdoes this look right?00:24
djszapiitsnotabigtruck: that would need hackery, if it works at all.00:25
MohammadAGoh, the link image widget can be null00:25
djszapimy opinion is that uis are vastly different even between fremantle and harmattan, so I do not think it is a bad idea to have not just separate files, but even separate folder for frontends.00:25
djszapiMohammadAG: why don't you use copy ctor ?00:31
djszapiohh just seen your last link.00:31
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: are copy constructors qt-friendly00:31
djszapihuh ?00:32
djszapiMohammadAG: why not reference instead of pointers ?00:32
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: i'm not sure if qt objects are supposed to be copy-constructable00:32
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itsnotabigtruckin general letting c++ copy things around is a bad idea...i always declare (but don't define) empty copy constructor and operator= on any class that isn't supposed to have value semantics00:33
itsnotabigtruckbut i don't know much about qt-isms00:33
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itsnotabigtrucker, to be exact, i mean specifying a private declaration for those with no definition at all, which produces an error if client code attempts to copy/assign the value00:34
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djszapiitsnotabigtruck: sounds sane00:35
djszapianyway, I do not have too much time for this00:35
* djszapi should get the public repositories into the sb target00:37
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MohammadAGdjszapi, where?00:44
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Enforceranyway to get info about which 3g band the phone is connected to?01:04
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djszapiso what is the resolv.conf supposed to contain, if not the localhost thingie or the host system's resolv conf entries ?01:39
djszapiinside scratchbox, that is.01:39
DocScrutinizeron N900 there's been netmon01:42
DocScrutinizermight still work under HARM, at least with openmode or proper credentials01:42
DocScrutinizerotherwise, see pnatd, maybe this still exists01:43
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: i think it's supposed to be a copy of the host's...01:44
DocScrutinizerEnforcer: yup, pnatd seems to exist still01:44
itsnotabigtruckwhat happens if you try to do something else that does dns lookups01:44
DocScrutinizerEnforcer: might help with pnatd01:45
DocScrutinizersorry I can't find the right AT cmd for querying the used band right now01:47
DocScrutinizerprobably you can dig sth up by studying netmon sources01:47
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djszapicool, there is this /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_sync thingie.01:49
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djszapiso shall I put this one into my newly created scratchbox ?
djszapiI guess that is the best to go with.01:52
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EnforcerDocScrutinizer, what about cell tower info?02:09
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itsnotabigtruckanyone on atm?02:48
befordhey itsnotabigtruck02:53
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ljpEnforcer: maybe look at QtMobility QSystemNetworkInfo02:58
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itsnotabigtruckargh, i hate how the n9sphere dies down completely around now04:04
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itsnotabigtruckanyone know if anything major on the n9 is non-ipv6-aware?07:44
itsnotabigtruck(with ipv6 turned on via devmode)07:44
itsnotabigtrucki think i already found out that ping6 is broken, i should have bugged that when i could07:45
tehdelydropped my beautiful white N907:45
tehdelychipped off a nice chunk of plastic right by the headphone port07:46
tehdelyi guess that makes it officially _mine_ and I can stop babying it07:46
tehdelyi think i was taking it out to tweet some inane bullshit, so i probably deserved it07:46
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djszapiitsnotabigtruck: pingie08:10
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ZogG_N9khertan_, tweeted you already, but still, your text editor cant be installed thru apps4meego08:18
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paanybody using sparkleshare?08:46
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gabriel9|workok, today i will finish my app10:07
gabriel9|workso i need some good examples and tutorials10:08
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gabriel9|workapp will be free and with source so you can modify it for your countries10:08
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gabriel9|workcan you please give me good tutorials and examples and guidelines.10:09
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lucidoon the n9 my ap became uninstallable with the new firmware. "Cant delete Thie application is still running..." but my app functions as a daemon therefore closing it is done in the prerm script, but that is not exectuted before this new check10:21
lucidowhat is the mechanism of this "still running" check?10:21
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RST38hmoo all10:23
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djszapiN9morn RST38h10:27
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djszapimorning jreznik :)10:46
jreznikdjszapi: morning :)10:46
jreznikreading your kde edu summary mail10:46
djszapioh you are also interested in PA ?10:47
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jreznikdjszapi: yeah, we'd like to have PA on top of Fedora but with current PA style of development it's not fun :(10:59
djszapijreznik: very good point.11:01
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qronicWho remembers, before PR1.2 we didn't have a scroll list position in Gallery app? Small white dot on the left12:28
infobotqronic meant: Who remembers, before PR1.2 we didn't have a scroll list position in Gallery app? Small white dot on the right12:28
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CissWiti'm with PR1.1, i do have the dot12:29
qronicI didn't notice then12:29
MohammadAGqronic: It wasn't it pr1.0 afaik12:30
MohammadAGAnd I'm 100% sure it wasn't in beta2 which was N9 1.012:31
CissWitqronic: i noticed it just because you just mentionned it "^^12:33
MohammadAGI noticed it by mistake since I usually scroll on the right side12:36
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javispedrodoes anyone remember the problem with the builtin browser and , where you could not login?12:52
javispedrodoes it work for you in PR1.2? I realized this morning that it started working here, and I dunno if it is because of openmode or because something server-side was changed.12:53
lizardojavispedro:  I could login just fine (but there was a certificate warning)12:57
javispedrowell the bug was there (#284 in, just didn't realize it was fixed13:00
lizardohmm looks like I can even edit meego wiki now... I had problems with it "forgetting" my credentials13:01
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petteriwhen I install package made with qtsdk the isntall process shows the default qt icon, not my icon that is used to lauch the app from the app grid15:57
petteriany idea what should I change to get it to show my icon15:57
djszapicheck whether the desktop file uses the absolute path of your icon.15:58
petteriit uses15:59
djszapithen of course, it should work.15:59
petterii have a feeling that the default qt icon is embedded in the package description file or something16:00
djszapithe icon is not okay on the app launcher grid, but you have the proper desktop file entry ?16:01
petterithe right icon is on the app laucher grid16:02
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petteri, but when I install the deb there is this screen that shows qt icon and my apps description16:02
djszapihave you checked the control file ?16:03
djszapido you have the proper "XB-Maemo-Icon-26:" entry in there ?16:03
petteriyes, but guess that that is the default qt icon and not mine16:04
petterii think i'll try to google some more16:04
djszapiwell generate your one and compare16:04
djszapiit is not that hard16:04
petterithanks, I will investigate16:05
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* djszapi hates Arch for python317:21
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djszapiWhat is the general way of determining python2.X for stuff ?17:24
djszapiPYTHON and PYTHON_VER environment variables do not work in this caes.17:24
djszapicase*, of course17:24
lizardopython -c "import sys; print sys.version_info"17:27
djszapierror even for that:
tehdelythen use a different linux ;)17:30
tehdelythe whole ethos of arch is "always the latest, nothing less"17:30
tehdelyi quit arch years ago for completely different reasons, mind you17:31
djszapiN9please do not begin a flamewar17:34
djszapilizardo: that is what you meant: python -c "import sys; print(sys.version_info)"17:38
djszapisys.version_info(major=3, minor=2, micro=2, releaselevel='final', serial=0)17:38
djszapibut still, a simple --version is enough for that :)17:39
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lizardodjszapi: forgot to explain, that print() syntax has changed :)17:46
djszapiof course17:46
djszapithat is one of the main issues in here.17:46
djszapialong with zillion others.17:46
* djszapi is trying to nuke python 3 altogether from arch17:46
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djszapiok python3 is a history on my arch box17:51
* djszapi now has perl issues...phantastic :D17:54
befordwhat are you doing17:56
befordcompiling android?17:56
djszapiheh, anticipation well done :)17:56
befordI did that once17:57
befordyou will have issues with make too17:57
djszapiI had17:58
djszapiI had to build make manually17:58
djszapiand call that make with absolute path :D17:58
befordthat's what you get for using bleeding edge distro. I used some online guide which said the exact version needed for packages17:58
djszapiwell the newest make version is broken17:58
djszapialthough all the distros patch that serious bug out17:58
djszapieven arch, which is supposed to be as vanilla as possible.17:58
befordI keep getting this when I start xchat because I downgraded the package  /usr/lib/xchat/plugins/ undefined symbol: Perl_sv_2bool_flags17:59
* djszapi has never understood why grab "bleeding edge" craps.17:59
djszapiit is ok to grab working stuff, like KDE since it is tested properly, but ... python3 right after the release ?18:00
befordyea that broke ton of stuff18:00
djszapithe python1 -> python2 port took 5 years for some older core developers :p18:00
befordsame all this libpng12->14->1518:01
djszapialso, no matter what the community reacted, the maintainer did not change his mindset, typical :D18:01
befordI still have my android compile folder.. its like 25gb18:05
djszapihave you also built the image, or just an app ?18:05
djszapiI work on the platform side.18:05
djszapiso I need to build full blown images.18:05
befordthe image yes18:05
befordfor x86 vbox18:05
djszapiohh I have real hardware18:06
djszapiI mean I have one in ordering, should be here pretty soon'ish :)18:06
befordbut.. I ended downloading one xD because I was unable to see the mouse cursor in vbox there are patches to get it18:06
djszapiyou mean a working public x86 image ?18:06
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befordyea, its available somewhere, for vbox with mouse support and some other small patches18:07
beforddid you figure out what package was waiting for you in Fedex?18:08
djszapiyep, T-Shirt for the google code in mentorship last year.18:08
befordtook a while18:08
djszapifunky that, no google mentioned anywhere :)18:08
djszapibeford: what did you develop for android, and full or pastime project it was ?18:09
befordnothing, just wanted to check the build process :D it was some months ago when ICS was released18:10
MohammadAGanyone with an incepted N950 can help me with diagnosing why led-event-notifier doesn't work?18:11
befordn9 :/18:13
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javispedroMohammadAG, it didn't work for me as I said you yesterday, no debug output, no d-bus activity, nothing18:18
javispedroMohammadAG, if you provide a verbosey version I can run it for you (but tonight...)18:18
javispedroMohammadAG, I also failed to capture the signal you mentioned you were listening18:19
MohammadAGjavispedro, it prints "Activating LED pattern"18:19
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javispedroMohammadAG, didn't print anything here :( will check later the source18:19
MohammadAGjavispedro, it's just four lines or so18:20
MohammadAGit's a glorified dbus script18:20
MohammadAGjavispedro, ~ # dbus-monitor --session | grep events18:21
MohammadAGsignal sender=:1.64 -> dest=(null destination) serial=409 path=/CommHistoryModel;; member=eventsAdded18:21
javispedroyeah, I didn't find that18:21
javispedrothough come to think of it18:21
javispedroI was mailing myself, not dialing myself :)18:21
javispedroand mails do not trigger anything in commhistory18:22
MohammadAGmakes sense18:22
MohammadAGcall yourself18:22
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MohammadAGI hate how I need Windows for anything iDevice-related18:22
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MohammadAGalterego, moc_newsfeedmodel.cpp:90: error: 'staticMetaObject' is not a member of 'MAbstractCellCreator<NewsFeedPost>'18:42
MohammadAGgot any hints?18:42
MohammadAGalso, anyone got ideas about controlling a webview internally?18:42
MohammadAGI'm thinking of skipping the facebook WebView login18:42
MohammadAGit's way too annoying on a capacitive screen18:42
MohammadAGWhat I'd like to do is fill a text box with the username, another with the password, tick remember password, and hit login18:44
MohammadAGon the next redirect, I'd like to click allow all18:44
MohammadAGa javascript button18:44
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alteregoMohammadAG: in QML and even in Qt you can execute javascript in the webview context, hope that helps, not sure about your first issue though.18:59
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MohammadAGalterego, MTF19:05
MohammadAGerr, nevermind19:05
MohammadAGguess I'19:05
MohammadAGI'll need to ask someone to help with JS :p19:05
MohammadAGalterego, I want to have a QList<NewsFeedPost*> in a class, the class header file can't include newsfeedpost.h since newsfeedpost.h includes the class19:05
MohammadAGin short, the compiler would loop19:06
javispedro"class NewsFeedPost;"19:07
MohammadAGoh right, didn't think of that19:08
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itsnotabigtruckwhat's up19:17
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MohammadAGgas prices19:31
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djszapiN9itsnotabigtruck, please try khangman from ui and cli. I wonder it behaves differently gor you, too.19:36
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itsnotabigtruckdjszapiN9: hey, maybe i'll install it in a bit19:44
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djszapinice video :)20:35
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tehdelyi haven't seen that in ages20:37
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itsnotabigtruck^ aegisctl - it's now officially out20:45
djszapi haha watman is even better :)20:45
itsnotabigtrucktehdely: might want to update to this one if you're still on the 0.1 i released the other day20:48
itsnotabigtrucki need to add a blurb about this on the inception website too20:50
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AndrewX192Does anyone know where the documentation is for PUSH notifications?21:04
AndrewX192I wrote a custom push notification system for my N900, but I'd have to change it to get it working on the N921:05
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AndrewX192Also, Maemo bug 6289 still applies to harmattan21:11
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itsnotabigtruckAndrewX192: i think it's on that projects website that's down right now21:15
AndrewX192Okay, I ran into that21:16
AndrewX192The N9's syslog sure is busy21:17
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tehdelyso here's a good question21:25
tehdelylet's say my N9 dies in a year or two21:25
tehdelyi took out an insurance policy on it, so they'll cut me a check to buy aqnother21:25
tehdelybut will there.. be any more?21:25
befordthey'll probably give you a lumia21:25
tehdelynah my insurer will cut me a check21:25
tehdelybut there still needs to be another N9 to buy21:26
befordoh yea xD21:26
tehdelyi ask because my baby got his first boo-boo today21:26
tehdelya little chip on the plastic by the headphone port21:26
tehdelythanks to being dropped about 4' onto cement21:26
tehdelyalas, that's what i get for buying the white one21:26
djszapibeford: getting a hefty issue:
admiral0tehdely: 4'. americans....21:27
admiral0use SI!21:27
tehdelyi'm not water, or light, or a piece of platinum sitting in a glass jar somewhere in france21:28
admiral0well' it's better than having multiples of 8 or 1221:28
tehdelyi find much of the imperial system to be comfortably human-scaled21:28
tehdelyit's completely illogical, but it fits like a well-worn glove21:28
tehdelySI had to be introduced via the guillotine ;)21:28
beforddjszapi, is that a new TARGET? amd_brazos? I dont remember seeing it there21:28
admiral0tehdely: ....21:29
admiral0the fact is: the world uses SI. americans don't21:29
tehdelywe're big enough to not care21:29
befordsilly americans21:29
tehdelyyou can take my fahrenheit and feet and miles from my cold, dead, imperialist fingers21:30
admiral0well, when a satellite crashes because of your programmers thinking in inches and miles it's a problem21:30
djszapibeford: yeah, it is.21:30
tehdelyit's a bad coding problem21:30
tehdelyand an even worse QA problem21:30
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tehdelythey should have adopted Agile Methodologies, that bug would never have escaped the sprint!21:30
tehdelyyou're back!21:30
admiral0it would21:30
admiral0bot are int21:30
admiral0or long int21:31
tehdelythen your test harness is insufficient21:31
jesuschristim having the strangest bug21:31
tehdelyare we about to be raptured?21:31
tehdelyi guess that's why they limited the release of the N921:31
tehdelyso only 144,000 would have one...21:31
jesuschristthe store shows a perpetual ongoing installation of an app21:32
jesuschristbut the app is installed, any idea how to solve this ?21:32
AndrewX192How is the ramzswap setup on the N9? is it subtracted from /proc/meminfo?21:34
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AndrewX192Or does the device actually have 1.25GB of ram?21:34
tehdelyi believe it has 1GB21:34
jesuschristanyone know what could i do with this store bug ?21:35
AndrewX192free -m indicates 985MB of total memory + 255MB swap21:35
AndrewX192There is probably some memory lost to graphics21:35
jesuschristthe swap is taken from the 16gb or 64gb21:35
AndrewX192Really? It uses compcache21:36
tehdelyjesuschrist: sounds like some dpkg wonkiness but i would have no idea where to look21:36
AndrewX192The ram "device" is /dev/ramzswap021:36
jesuschristactually tehdely it lets me install new apps, something woudlnt let me do if an app was actually being installed21:36
jesuschristplus rebooting doesnt solve21:36
jesuschristwhats the store process name ?21:37
gabriel9does store work for you guys21:37
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AndrewX192262144000 bytes (250.0MB) copied, 3.270416 seconds, 76.4MB/s21:44
AndrewX192on the N921:44
AndrewX192That's quite good21:44
AndrewX192on a 1GB file, 24.3MB/s21:45
itsnotabigtruckhey admiral021:53
itsnotabigtruckjust published aegisctl a few mins ago, get the latest ver21:54
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jesuschristitsnotabigtruck : do you know what causes a forever ongoing app installation in the store ?21:55
itsnotabigtruckjesuschrist: not sure but it happens more often than it should21:57
jesuschristhmm any idea on how to solve it21:57
itsnotabigtruckno :p21:57
jesuschristdo you know anyone else who had this happening to their phone?21:57
itsnotabigtruckit happened to me before21:57
itsnotabigtrucki'm not sure how it got resolved21:58
itsnotabigtrucki think rebooting worked21:58
jesuschristreflash ?21:58
jesuschristrebooting doesnt work21:58
itsnotabigtruckwhich app was it btw21:58
itsnotabigtruckthe speed test app is totally messed up21:58
jesuschristi believe its unrelated to the app...21:58
itsnotabigtrucknah, iirc it's due to improper publishing of the app21:58
itsnotabigtruckand bad error handling in the ovi store client21:59
jesuschristi only show it installing in the ovi store but its not actually installing...21:59
jesuschristwonder what is the store process name21:59
MohammadAGwhy does an MNotification only display the subtitle?22:02
MohammadAGwas the API changed?22:02
MohammadAGerr, scratch that, at some point in time I changed my var to QString()22:05
* MohammadAG headdesks22:05
jesuschristthe damn quickbeer forever installing!!!22:08
jesuschristi emeailed the dev btw22:08
jesuschristdoes he comes here in chat ?22:08
gabriel9holy shit, jesus is here22:08
gabriel9examples for N9 are online :)22:09
tehdelyjesuschrist: it got resolved because some people needed you to reproduce it22:10
tehdelyit's the same phenomenon that occurs whenever i go to the Genius Bar22:10
tehdelyor call tech support, for anything22:10
jesuschristim not following you tehdely22:10
jesuschristwhat you mean22:10
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tehdelyi'm saying that the very act of you coming to a channel trying to solve your issue is what caused it to solve itself22:10
tehdelyit's like murphy's law of bugs22:10
jesuschristactually the bug is still here22:11
befordits actually called a heisenbug22:11
jesuschristemailed ovi and the dev22:11
tehdelybeford: not really22:11
tehdelyi think of a heisenbug as anything that disappears under observation22:11
tehdelythere needs to be a different name for this phenomenon22:11
tehdelythe "i just called tech support and lo and behold, it's working!" phenomenon22:12
itsnotabigtruckgabriel9: examples?22:13
gabriel9P.S. Ford has/is paring down their number of platforms by 2/3 in just one product generation. So yes - virtually every one in the industry is paring down on platforms. Elop never said one phone. He simply said - a smaller number than the insanity that Nokia has.22:14
tehdelyand eventually we'll see a merger with/replacement of Series 40 with chunks of MeeGo22:14
tehdelyor so the rumors say...22:14
tehdelythe interesting thing about developing for MeeGo now, though, is that Nokia has committed to Windows Phone for their high-end smartphones22:15
itsnotabigtruckgabriel9: are any of those any good in their own right?22:15
befordMeeBian or SymGo22:15
itsnotabigtrucki.e. is it worth building them and distributing binaries22:15
tehdelymeaning that you're not developing for the phoens that will look anything like their future platform22:15
gabriel9for me they are ok22:15
tehdelyor the users that will look anything like their future users22:15
gabriel9i just started with this development22:15
tehdelystrange place for a developer to be... you've gotta be really committed22:15
tehdelyor else it seems kind of a waste22:15
tehdelyfor me i just want to hack on the phone i own and make stuff that will benefit primarily me22:15
tehdelybut nokia does not care very much about me :)22:15
jesuschristwe care tehdely, we care22:16
tehdelywell gosh, I'm glad _somebody_ does!22:16
gabriel9is there any good blog about nokia and smartphones?22:17
befordeverythingn9 ?22:17
gabriel9winthat winthis22:17
befordoh you mean a good one22:17
jesuschristwindowsphoneblog ?22:18
befordthere is a n9 developer blog22:18
befordon nokia22:18
gabriel9njah they all chose side :/22:19
gabriel9no objectivity22:19
gabriel9but this n9 developer is ok22:19
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itsnotabigtruckit would be cool to have a file manager that's aegis-aware and has a root mode22:19
gabriel9damn, i need to learn linux more. I don't know what are you speaking22:20
itsnotabigtruckwhat i'm thinking is that it would assert CAP::dac_override22:20
befordnemo has a new filemanager, filemuncher its called maybe we can adapt it?22:20
itsnotabigtruckand fork and drop that capability22:20
itsnotabigtruckand then it would have some facility for entering the root password, which would relaunch and activate CAP::dac_override22:20
itsnotabigtruckdac_override = global access to file system22:21
befordbut what could it be used for?22:21
befordI mean if we replace soemthing MALF will appear22:21
itsnotabigtruckwell, this would be for manipulating files owned by any of the users (user, developer, root)22:22
itsnotabigtrucknot aegis-protected files22:22
itsnotabigtruckthat isn't really a winning name :p22:23
itsnotabigtruckand nemo doesn't have aegis so that couldn't be upstreamed22:23
AndrewX192itsnotabigtruck: where's your hotspot fix at?22:23
befordnothing related to aegis can be22:23
befordappsformeego I believe22:23
befordalso on the forum22:23
befordad-hac right?22:24
AndrewX192Found it22:24
itsnotabigtruckif it works, please set up a account and approve it22:25
itsnotabigtruck(community qa)22:25
itsnotabigtruckthough the word on the street is that AFM has a limited shelf life now...i'm not sure when it's going to be shut down22:26
itsnotabigtruckanyone know if it's possible to temporarily deactivate a linux capability22:27
itsnotabigtruckthen reactivate it later22:28
itsnotabigtruckvia either aegis or linux apis22:28
AndrewX192hah, WEP22:28
befordmy n9 gets really hot when using hotspot22:29
befordI know why they called it like that22:29
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AndrewX192N9 nokia brower doesn't trust
virtualdit's a self signed cert issued 22/2 this year22:43
virtualdor really issued by startcom.. hmm22:43
virtualdo certificate chain22:44
MohammadAGSociality's 70% done22:46
MohammadAGWhat's left: Messages (not important), Events, Photos, Notes, and Chat22:47
MohammadAGnot sure if I'm going to implement chat since it's built in anyway22:47
befordMessage and Chat? facebook unificated those22:49
befordso its the same thing22:49
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itsnotabigtruckvirtuald: it's not self-signed22:56
itsnotabigtruckwell, you said that already22:56
itsnotabigtrucki think they forgot to put in the intermediate cert22:56
itsnotabigtruckdoes the N9 cache intermediate certs?22:56
itsnotabigtruckif so, try visiting
itsnotabigtruckthen visit https://meego.com22:56
virtualdnope doesn't work for me23:01
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virtualdworks on firefox mobile23:03
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itsnotabigtruckvirtuald: right, because firefox remembers intermediate certs23:03
itsnotabigtruckbtw have you incepted yet, and if so, have you seen aegisctl23:04
itsnotabigtruckalso MohammadAG beford: make sure to grab aegisctl23:04
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itsnotabigtrucker, mohammadag already thank'd my post so i guess he's seen it already :)23:04
itsnotabigtruckalso i asked last night but no one was on - anyone know if anything major on the N9 is ipv6-unaware?23:07
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virtualdopera doesn't check23:10
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itsnotabigtruckvirtuald: what do you mean23:19
virtualdopera mobile does not give me a warning when i go to after i've cleared the cache23:20
virtualdi've reported the issue now23:20
tehdelyi wish opera mobile registered itself as a web browser with the OS23:21
tehdelybit of an oversight23:21
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tehdelyi used it as my primary browser on Symbian and would like to use it on the N9 too but it's kind of inconvenient23:21
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virtualdumm yeah proprietary technology23:22
itsnotabigtruck just added aegisctl on the inception website23:22
itsnotabigtruckbtw tehdely: any chance you could enter a qa approval on appsformeego for ad-hac?23:23
itsnotabigtrucklol, 'fruit bug' is now outranking inception on n9-apps.com23:23
itsnotabigtruckalso it looks like teleshoes entered an approval (thanks)23:26
itsnotabigtruckhrm, where'd everyone go :(23:32
itsnotabigtruckMohammadAG: what's the benefit of your client vs the built-in one?23:33
virtualdi'm still on :>23:33
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itsnotabigtruckvirtuald: hm?23:36
virtualdi mean i'm here i'm just web browsing23:37
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itsnotabigtruckanyone know what people mean by "blacklisted"23:40
befordfruit bug looks nice23:43
itsnotabigtruckbeford: get aegisctl! :p you know you want it23:44
befordi already have it23:44
itsnotabigtruckbeford: ah ok23:45
itsnotabigtruckis it the one published a few hours ago?23:45
befordoh no23:45
befordthe deb from yesterday23:45
befordI dont have AFM23:46
itsnotabigtrucki published 3 different releases (0.1, 1.2, and the new 1.2)23:46
itsnotabigtruckthe first 1.2 added the --really feature and better help, the second 1.2 just changed the help a little23:46
itsnotabigtruckso nothing really urgent23:46
itsnotabigtruckbut the latest one is the newest and shiniest :p23:47
befordcant find it installed23:48
befordI thought I had it, how is the binary called?23:48
itsnotabigtruckbeford: /usr/sbin/aegisctl23:50
itsnotabigtruckif you're using meego terminal, /usr/sbin isn't in the path by default23:50
matrixxX-Fade: ping23:52
itsnotabigtruckeverybody needs to start putting qr codes in their tmo posts23:53

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