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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, cause I could use if (!obj) | 00:03 |
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| MohammadAG | itsnotabigtruck, http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=40057&postcount=30 | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: not really, NULL is not absolutely same as 0 or true | 00:04 |
| MohammadAG | NULL = 0 | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's defined to be 0, but that may change | 00:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | MohammadAG: sounds like they installed inception but didn't run pasiv | 00:05 |
| MohammadAG | well, true | 00:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | need to run pasiv, then re-incept | 00:05 |
| MohammadAG | itsnotabigtruck, mind replying? | 00:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah sure | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | I recently had the joy of attending a 3 day coding training for my job, and we got advised to even use NIL to compare for objects and initialize pointers, as 0 is a valid addr on some arch | 00:07 |
| MohammadAG | anyone familiar with copy constructors? | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's because of ANSI(?) C defines NULL = 0 | 00:07 |
| djszapi | I guess many...copy ctor is a basic thingie. | 00:07 |
| MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/RP78LSfU djszapi | 00:08 |
| djszapi | you do not wanna call a ctor from another ctor | 00:09 |
| djszapi | at least not this way | 00:09 |
| MohammadAG | how? | 00:10 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: heh | 00:11 |
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| djszapi | you know what was the problem for the deps ? | 00:11 |
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| djszapi | there was a missing tab after the shlibdeps override line :) | 00:12 |
| djszapi | vimdiff ftw ;) | 00:12 |
| djszapi | so it was just an empty line. | 00:12 |
| djszapi | which is not considered anything useful. | 00:12 |
| MohammadAG | I'll just have default values | 00:13 |
| djszapi | MohammadAG: you do not wanna return in the ctor either | 00:14 |
| djszapi | please ask yourself the question: What do I try to achieve, can i use copy ctor ? If yes, solution is trivial, if not, it needs more tweaking. | 00:15 |
| faenil | guys what do you use if you want two versions of a program using two differents components sets? | 00:17 |
| faenil | import com.nokia.meego and com.nokia.symbian or whatever | 00:17 |
| faenil | do you have 2 qml just for that or some other better solution? | 00:17 |
| djszapi | different qmls | 00:17 |
| faenil | oh crap | 00:17 |
| djszapi | there are no qml prepocessor. | 00:17 |
| djszapi | s | 00:17 |
| faenil | yeah I hoped in something else :) | 00:18 |
| faenil | I've done everything to keep a single qml codebase to avoid disalignment... | 00:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: lol | 00:18 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: kinda cumbersome, right ? :) | 00:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | MohammadAG: btw it definitely doesn't seem to be working | 00:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i just tried smsing myself and locking it | 00:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | sms arrives just afterward, no led activity | 00:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 11524 root /usr/bin/led-event-notifier < process is still running | 00:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: well, you could run your qml through cpp, couldn't you? | 00:21 |
| djszapi | what do you mean ? | 00:22 |
| MohammadAG | itsnotabigtruck, err, can you stop apps/led-event-notifier | 00:23 |
| MohammadAG | then run it manually? | 00:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: cpp as in c preprocessor | 00:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i need to find a cheaper way to trigger this, i don't have a bucket sms plan | 00:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 00:24 |
| MohammadAG | does this look right? | 00:24 |
| MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/1KxqHNYv | 00:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | maybe? | 00:24 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: that would need hackery, if it works at all. | 00:25 |
| MohammadAG | oh, the link image widget can be null | 00:25 |
| djszapi | my opinion is that uis are vastly different even between fremantle and harmattan, so I do not think it is a bad idea to have not just separate files, but even separate folder for frontends. | 00:25 |
| djszapi | MohammadAG: why don't you use copy ctor ? | 00:31 |
| djszapi | ohh just seen your last link. | 00:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: are copy constructors qt-friendly | 00:31 |
| djszapi | huh ? | 00:32 |
| djszapi | MohammadAG: why not reference instead of pointers ? | 00:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: i'm not sure if qt objects are supposed to be copy-constructable | 00:32 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | in general letting c++ copy things around is a bad idea...i always declare (but don't define) empty copy constructor and operator= on any class that isn't supposed to have value semantics | 00:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but i don't know much about qt-isms | 00:33 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | er, to be exact, i mean specifying a private declaration for those with no definition at all, which produces an error if client code attempts to copy/assign the value | 00:34 |
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| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: sounds sane | 00:35 |
| djszapi | anyway, I do not have too much time for this | 00:35 |
| * djszapi should get the public repositories into the sb target | 00:37 | |
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| MohammadAG | djszapi, where? | 00:44 |
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| Enforcer | anyway to get info about which 3g band the phone is connected to? | 01:04 |
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| djszapi | so what is the resolv.conf supposed to contain, if not the localhost thingie or the host system's resolv conf entries ? | 01:39 |
| djszapi | inside scratchbox, that is. | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | on N900 there's been netmon | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | might still work under HARM, at least with openmode or proper credentials | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | otherwise, see pnatd, maybe this still exists | 01:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: i think it's supposed to be a copy of the host's... | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | Enforcer: yup, pnatd seems to exist still | 01:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what happens if you try to do something else that does dns lookups | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | Enforcer: http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts/100900_100999/100916/07.08.00_60/ts_100916v070800p.pdf might help with pnatd | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry I can't find the right AT cmd for querying the used band right now | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably you can dig sth up by studying netmon sources | 01:47 |
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| djszapi | cool, there is this /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_sync thingie. | 01:49 |
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| djszapi | so shall I put this one into my newly created scratchbox ? http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/d6-beta.php?f=arm-public-sdk-beta3-rootstrap.tgz | 01:52 |
| djszapi | I guess that is the best to go with. | 01:52 |
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| Enforcer | DocScrutinizer, what about cell tower info? | 02:09 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | anyone on atm? | 02:48 |
| beford | hey itsnotabigtruck | 02:53 |
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| ljp | Enforcer: maybe look at QtMobility QSystemNetworkInfo | 02:58 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | argh, i hate how the n9sphere dies down completely around now | 04:04 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | anyone know if anything major on the n9 is non-ipv6-aware? | 07:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (with ipv6 turned on via devmode) | 07:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i think i already found out that ping6 is broken, i should have bugged that when i could | 07:45 |
| tehdely | dropped my beautiful white N9 | 07:45 |
| tehdely | chipped off a nice chunk of plastic right by the headphone port | 07:46 |
| tehdely | i guess that makes it officially _mine_ and I can stop babying it | 07:46 |
| beford | lol | 07:46 |
| tehdely | i think i was taking it out to tweet some inane bullshit, so i probably deserved it | 07:46 |
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| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: pingie | 08:10 |
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| ZogG_N9 | khertan_, tweeted you already, but still, your text editor cant be installed thru apps4meego | 08:18 |
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| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: http://minus.com/mkUzzKXwF#1 | 08:34 |
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| pa | anybody using sparkleshare? | 08:46 |
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| gabriel9|work | morning | 10:07 |
| gabriel9|work | ok, today i will finish my app | 10:07 |
| gabriel9|work | so i need some good examples and tutorials | 10:08 |
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| gabriel9|work | app will be free and with source so you can modify it for your countries | 10:08 |
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| gabriel9|work | can you please give me good tutorials and examples and guidelines. | 10:09 |
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| lucido | on the n9 my ap became uninstallable with the new firmware. "Cant delete Thie application is still running..." but my app functions as a daemon therefore closing it is done in the prerm script, but that is not exectuted before this new check | 10:21 |
| lucido | what is the mechanism of this "still running" check? | 10:21 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 10:23 |
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| djszapiN9 | morn RST38h | 10:27 |
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| djszapi | morning jreznik :) | 10:46 |
| jreznik | djszapi: morning :) | 10:46 |
| jreznik | reading your kde edu summary mail | 10:46 |
| djszapi | oh you are also interested in PA ? | 10:47 |
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| jreznik | djszapi: yeah, we'd like to have PA on top of Fedora but with current PA style of development it's not fun :( | 10:59 |
| djszapi | jreznik: very good point. | 11:01 |
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| qronic | Who remembers, before PR1.2 we didn't have a scroll list position in Gallery app? Small white dot on the left | 12:28 |
| qronic | s/left/right/ | 12:28 |
| infobot | qronic meant: Who remembers, before PR1.2 we didn't have a scroll list position in Gallery app? Small white dot on the right | 12:28 |
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| CissWit | i'm with PR1.1, i do have the dot | 12:29 |
| qronic | I didn't notice then | 12:29 |
| MohammadAG | qronic: It wasn't it pr1.0 afaik | 12:30 |
| MohammadAG | And I'm 100% sure it wasn't in beta2 which was N9 1.0 | 12:31 |
| CissWit | qronic: i noticed it just because you just mentionned it "^^ | 12:33 |
| qronic | :) | 12:33 |
| MohammadAG | I noticed it by mistake since I usually scroll on the right side | 12:36 |
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| javispedro | does anyone remember the problem with the builtin browser and https://meego.com , where you could not login? | 12:52 |
| javispedro | does it work for you in PR1.2? I realized this morning that it started working here, and I dunno if it is because of openmode or because something server-side was changed. | 12:53 |
| lizardo | javispedro: I could login just fine (but there was a certificate warning) | 12:57 |
| javispedro | well the bug was there (#284 in developer.nokia.com), just didn't realize it was fixed | 13:00 |
| lizardo | hmm looks like I can even edit meego wiki now... I had problems with it "forgetting" my credentials | 13:01 |
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| RST38h | pwd | 14:57 |
| djszapi | #harmattan@freenode | 14:58 |
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| gabriel9|work | :D | 15:09 |
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| petteri | when I install package made with qtsdk the isntall process shows the default qt icon, not my icon that is used to lauch the app from the app grid | 15:57 |
| petteri | any idea what should I change to get it to show my icon | 15:57 |
| djszapi | check whether the desktop file uses the absolute path of your icon. | 15:58 |
| petteri | it uses | 15:59 |
| djszapi | then of course, it should work. | 15:59 |
| petteri | i have a feeling that the default qt icon is embedded in the package description file or something | 16:00 |
| djszapi | the icon is not okay on the app launcher grid, but you have the proper desktop file entry ? | 16:01 |
| petteri | the right icon is on the app laucher grid | 16:02 |
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| petteri | , but when I install the deb there is this screen that shows qt icon and my apps description | 16:02 |
| djszapi | right. | 16:02 |
| djszapi | have you checked the control file ? | 16:03 |
| djszapi | do you have the proper "XB-Maemo-Icon-26:" entry in there ? | 16:03 |
| petteri | yes, but guess that that is the default qt icon and not mine | 16:04 |
| petteri | i think i'll try to google some more | 16:04 |
| djszapi | well generate your one and compare | 16:04 |
| djszapi | it is not that hard | 16:04 |
| djszapi | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_packaging#Maemo-specific_fields | 16:05 |
| petteri | thanks, I will investigate | 16:05 |
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| * djszapi hates Arch for python3 | 17:21 | |
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| djszapi | What is the general way of determining python2.X for stuff ? | 17:24 |
| djszapi | PYTHON and PYTHON_VER environment variables do not work in this caes. | 17:24 |
| djszapi | case*, of course | 17:24 |
| lizardo | python -c "import sys; print sys.version_info" | 17:27 |
| djszapi | error even for that: http://paste.kde.org/438062/ | 17:27 |
| tehdely | then use a different linux ;) | 17:30 |
| tehdely | the whole ethos of arch is "always the latest, nothing less" | 17:30 |
| tehdely | i quit arch years ago for completely different reasons, mind you | 17:31 |
| djszapiN9 | please do not begin a flamewar | 17:34 |
| djszapi | lizardo: that is what you meant: python -c "import sys; print(sys.version_info)" | 17:38 |
| djszapi | sys.version_info(major=3, minor=2, micro=2, releaselevel='final', serial=0) | 17:38 |
| djszapi | but still, a simple --version is enough for that :) | 17:39 |
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| lizardo | djszapi: forgot to explain, that print() syntax has changed :) | 17:46 |
| djszapi | of course | 17:46 |
| djszapi | that is one of the main issues in here. | 17:46 |
| djszapi | along with zillion others. | 17:46 |
| * djszapi is trying to nuke python 3 altogether from arch | 17:46 | |
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| djszapi | ok python3 is a history on my arch box | 17:51 |
| * djszapi now has perl issues...phantastic :D | 17:54 | |
| beford | what are you doing | 17:56 |
| beford | compiling android? | 17:56 |
| djszapi | heh, anticipation well done :) | 17:56 |
| beford | I did that once | 17:57 |
| beford | you will have issues with make too | 17:57 |
| beford | xD | 17:57 |
| djszapi | I had | 17:58 |
| djszapi | I had to build make manually | 17:58 |
| djszapi | and call that make with absolute path :D | 17:58 |
| beford | that's what you get for using bleeding edge distro. I used some online guide which said the exact version needed for packages | 17:58 |
| djszapi | well the newest make version is broken | 17:58 |
| djszapi | although all the distros patch that serious bug out | 17:58 |
| djszapi | even arch, which is supposed to be as vanilla as possible. | 17:58 |
| beford | I keep getting this when I start xchat because I downgraded the package /usr/lib/xchat/plugins/perl.so: undefined symbol: Perl_sv_2bool_flags | 17:59 |
| beford | xD | 17:59 |
| djszapi | hahaha | 17:59 |
| * djszapi has never understood why grab "bleeding edge" craps. | 17:59 | |
| djszapi | it is ok to grab working stuff, like KDE since it is tested properly, but ... python3 right after the release ? | 18:00 |
| beford | yea that broke ton of stuff | 18:00 |
| djszapi | the python1 -> python2 port took 5 years for some older core developers :p | 18:00 |
| beford | same all this libpng12->14->15 | 18:01 |
| djszapi | also, no matter what the community reacted, the maintainer did not change his mindset, typical :D | 18:01 |
| beford | I still have my android compile folder.. its like 25gb | 18:05 |
| djszapi | yes | 18:05 |
| djszapi | have you also built the image, or just an app ? | 18:05 |
| djszapi | I work on the platform side. | 18:05 |
| djszapi | so I need to build full blown images. | 18:05 |
| beford | the image yes | 18:05 |
| beford | for x86 vbox | 18:05 |
| djszapi | ohh I have real hardware | 18:06 |
| djszapi | I mean I have one in ordering, should be here pretty soon'ish :) | 18:06 |
| beford | but.. I ended downloading one xD because I was unable to see the mouse cursor in vbox there are patches to get it | 18:06 |
| djszapi | you mean a working public x86 image ? | 18:06 |
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| beford | yea, its available somewhere, for vbox with mouse support and some other small patches | 18:07 |
| beford | did you figure out what package was waiting for you in Fedex? | 18:08 |
| djszapi | yep, T-Shirt for the google code in mentorship last year. | 18:08 |
| beford | oh | 18:08 |
| beford | took a while | 18:08 |
| beford | xD | 18:08 |
| djszapi | funky that, no google mentioned anywhere :) | 18:08 |
| djszapi | beford: what did you develop for android, and full or pastime project it was ? | 18:09 |
| beford | nothing, just wanted to check the build process :D it was some months ago when ICS was released | 18:10 |
| MohammadAG | anyone with an incepted N950 can help me with diagnosing why led-event-notifier doesn't work? | 18:11 |
| beford | n9 :/ | 18:13 |
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| MohammadAG | anything | 18:16 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG, it didn't work for me as I said you yesterday, no debug output, no d-bus activity, nothing | 18:18 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG, if you provide a verbosey version I can run it for you (but tonight...) | 18:18 |
| javispedro | s/said/told | 18:18 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG, I also failed to capture the signal you mentioned you were listening | 18:19 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, it prints "Activating LED pattern" | 18:19 |
| MohammadAG | eventsAdded? | 18:19 |
| javispedro | yep | 18:19 |
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| javispedro | MohammadAG, didn't print anything here :( will check later the source | 18:19 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, it's just four lines or so | 18:20 |
| MohammadAG | it's a glorified dbus script | 18:20 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, ~ # dbus-monitor --session | grep events | 18:21 |
| MohammadAG | signal sender=:1.64 -> dest=(null destination) serial=409 path=/CommHistoryModel; interface=com.nokia.commhistory; member=eventsAdded | 18:21 |
| javispedro | yeah, I didn't find that | 18:21 |
| javispedro | though come to think of it | 18:21 |
| javispedro | I was mailing myself, not dialing myself :) | 18:21 |
| javispedro | and mails do not trigger anything in commhistory | 18:22 |
| MohammadAG | makes sense | 18:22 |
| MohammadAG | call yourself | 18:22 |
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| MohammadAG | I hate how I need Windows for anything iDevice-related | 18:22 |
| my_n900 | hi | 18:23 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, moc_newsfeedmodel.cpp:90: error: 'staticMetaObject' is not a member of 'MAbstractCellCreator<NewsFeedPost>' | 18:42 |
| MohammadAG | got any hints? | 18:42 |
| MohammadAG | also, anyone got ideas about controlling a webview internally? | 18:42 |
| MohammadAG | I'm thinking of skipping the facebook WebView login | 18:42 |
| MohammadAG | it's way too annoying on a capacitive screen | 18:42 |
| MohammadAG | What I'd like to do is fill a text box with the username, another with the password, tick remember password, and hit login | 18:44 |
| MohammadAG | on the next redirect, I'd like to click allow all | 18:44 |
| MohammadAG | a javascript button | 18:44 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: in QML and even in Qt you can execute javascript in the webview context, hope that helps, not sure about your first issue though. | 18:59 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, MTF | 19:05 |
| MohammadAG | err, nevermind | 19:05 |
| MohammadAG | guess I' | 19:05 |
| MohammadAG | I'll need to ask someone to help with JS :p | 19:05 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, I want to have a QList<NewsFeedPost*> in a class, the class header file can't include newsfeedpost.h since newsfeedpost.h includes the class | 19:05 |
| MohammadAG | in short, the compiler would loop | 19:06 |
| javispedro | "class NewsFeedPost;" | 19:07 |
| MohammadAG | oh right, didn't think of that | 19:08 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | what's up | 19:17 |
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| javispedro | clouds | 19:18 |
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| MohammadAG | gas prices | 19:31 |
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| RST38h | suicides | 19:35 |
| djszapiN9 | itsnotabigtruck, please try khangman from ui and cli. I wonder it behaves differently gor you, too. | 19:36 |
| djszapiN9 | if* | 19:36 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | djszapiN9: hey, maybe i'll install it in a bit | 19:44 |
| djszapiN9 | 10x | 19:47 |
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| djszapi | nice video http://dagobah.net/flash/switchlinux3.swf :) | 20:35 |
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| tehdely | i haven't seen that in ages | 20:37 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82991 | 20:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ^ aegisctl - it's now officially out | 20:45 |
| djszapi | https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat haha watman is even better :) | 20:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | tehdely: might want to update to this one if you're still on the 0.1 i released the other day | 20:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i need to add a blurb about this on the inception website too | 20:50 |
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| AndrewX192 | Does anyone know where the documentation is for PUSH notifications? | 21:04 |
| AndrewX192 | I wrote a custom push notification system for my N900, but I'd have to change it to get it working on the N9 | 21:05 |
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| AndrewX192 | Also, Maemo bug 6289 still applies to harmattan | 21:11 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | AndrewX192: i think it's on that projects website that's down right now | 21:15 |
| AndrewX192 | Okay, I ran into that | 21:16 |
| AndrewX192 | The N9's syslog sure is busy | 21:17 |
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| tehdely | so here's a good question | 21:25 |
| tehdely | let's say my N9 dies in a year or two | 21:25 |
| tehdely | i took out an insurance policy on it, so they'll cut me a check to buy aqnother | 21:25 |
| tehdely | but will there.. be any more? | 21:25 |
| tehdely | O: | 21:25 |
| beford | they'll probably give you a lumia | 21:25 |
| beford | D; | 21:25 |
| tehdely | nah my insurer will cut me a check | 21:25 |
| tehdely | but there still needs to be another N9 to buy | 21:26 |
| beford | oh yea xD | 21:26 |
| tehdely | i ask because my baby got his first boo-boo today | 21:26 |
| tehdely | a little chip on the plastic by the headphone port | 21:26 |
| tehdely | thanks to being dropped about 4' onto cement | 21:26 |
| tehdely | alas, that's what i get for buying the white one | 21:26 |
| djszapi | beford: getting a hefty issue: http://paste.kde.org/438260/ | 21:26 |
| admiral0 | tehdely: 4'. americans.... | 21:27 |
| admiral0 | use SI! | 21:27 |
| tehdely | gross | 21:27 |
| tehdely | i'm not water, or light, or a piece of platinum sitting in a glass jar somewhere in france | 21:28 |
| admiral0 | well' it's better than having multiples of 8 or 12 | 21:28 |
| tehdely | i find much of the imperial system to be comfortably human-scaled | 21:28 |
| tehdely | it's completely illogical, but it fits like a well-worn glove | 21:28 |
| tehdely | SI had to be introduced via the guillotine ;) | 21:28 |
| beford | djszapi, is that a new TARGET? amd_brazos? I dont remember seeing it there | 21:28 |
| admiral0 | tehdely: .... | 21:29 |
| admiral0 | the fact is: the world uses SI. americans don't | 21:29 |
| tehdely | we're big enough to not care | 21:29 |
| beford | silly americans | 21:29 |
| beford | xD | 21:29 |
| tehdely | you can take my fahrenheit and feet and miles from my cold, dead, imperialist fingers | 21:30 |
| beford | lol | 21:30 |
| admiral0 | well, when a satellite crashes because of your programmers thinking in inches and miles it's a problem | 21:30 |
| tehdely | yes | 21:30 |
| djszapi | beford: yeah, it is. | 21:30 |
| tehdely | it's a bad coding problem | 21:30 |
| tehdely | and an even worse QA problem | 21:30 |
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| tehdely | they should have adopted Agile Methodologies, that bug would never have escaped the sprint! | 21:30 |
| jesuschrist | hi | 21:30 |
| tehdely | you're back! | 21:30 |
| admiral0 | it would | 21:30 |
| admiral0 | bot are int | 21:30 |
| admiral0 | or long int | 21:31 |
| tehdely | then your test harness is insufficient | 21:31 |
| tehdely | ;) | 21:31 |
| jesuschrist | hi | 21:31 |
| admiral0 | ... | 21:31 |
| jesuschrist | im having the strangest bug | 21:31 |
| tehdely | are we about to be raptured? | 21:31 |
| tehdely | i guess that's why they limited the release of the N9 | 21:31 |
| tehdely | so only 144,000 would have one... | 21:31 |
| tehdely | O: | 21:31 |
| jesuschrist | the store shows a perpetual ongoing installation of an app | 21:32 |
| jesuschrist | but the app is installed, any idea how to solve this ? | 21:32 |
| AndrewX192 | How is the ramzswap setup on the N9? is it subtracted from /proc/meminfo? | 21:34 |
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| AndrewX192 | Or does the device actually have 1.25GB of ram? | 21:34 |
| tehdely | i believe it has 1GB | 21:34 |
| jesuschrist | anyone know what could i do with this store bug ? | 21:35 |
| AndrewX192 | free -m indicates 985MB of total memory + 255MB swap | 21:35 |
| AndrewX192 | There is probably some memory lost to graphics | 21:35 |
| jesuschrist | the swap is taken from the 16gb or 64gb | 21:35 |
| AndrewX192 | Really? It uses compcache | 21:36 |
| tehdely | jesuschrist: sounds like some dpkg wonkiness but i would have no idea where to look | 21:36 |
| AndrewX192 | The ram "device" is /dev/ramzswap0 | 21:36 |
| jesuschrist | actually tehdely it lets me install new apps, something woudlnt let me do if an app was actually being installed | 21:36 |
| jesuschrist | plus rebooting doesnt solve | 21:36 |
| jesuschrist | whats the store process name ? | 21:37 |
| gabriel9 | does store work for you guys | 21:37 |
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| AndrewX192 | 262144000 bytes (250.0MB) copied, 3.270416 seconds, 76.4MB/s | 21:44 |
| AndrewX192 | on the N9 | 21:44 |
| AndrewX192 | That's quite good | 21:44 |
| AndrewX192 | on a 1GB file, 24.3MB/s | 21:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hey admiral0 | 21:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just published aegisctl a few mins ago, get the latest ver | 21:54 |
| admiral0 | ok | 21:54 |
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| jesuschrist | itsnotabigtruck : do you know what causes a forever ongoing app installation in the store ? | 21:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jesuschrist: not sure but it happens more often than it should | 21:57 |
| jesuschrist | hmm any idea on how to solve it | 21:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no :p | 21:57 |
| jesuschrist | do you know anyone else who had this happening to their phone? | 21:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it happened to me before | 21:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm not sure how it got resolved | 21:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i think rebooting worked | 21:58 |
| jesuschrist | reflash ? | 21:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nah | 21:58 |
| jesuschrist | rebooting doesnt work | 21:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which app was it btw | 21:58 |
| jesuschrist | quickbeer | 21:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the speed test app is totally messed up | 21:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hmm | 21:58 |
| jesuschrist | i believe its unrelated to the app... | 21:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nah, iirc it's due to improper publishing of the app | 21:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and bad error handling in the ovi store client | 21:59 |
| jesuschrist | i only show it installing in the ovi store but its not actually installing... | 21:59 |
| jesuschrist | wonder what is the store process name | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG | why does an MNotification only display the subtitle? | 22:02 |
| MohammadAG | was the API changed? | 22:02 |
| MohammadAG | err, scratch that, at some point in time I changed my var to QString() | 22:05 |
| * MohammadAG headdesks | 22:05 | |
| jesuschrist | the damn quickbeer forever installing!!! | 22:08 |
| jesuschrist | i emeailed the dev btw | 22:08 |
| jesuschrist | does he comes here in chat ? | 22:08 |
| gabriel9 | holy shit, jesus is here | 22:08 |
| gabriel9 | :D | 22:09 |
| gabriel9 | examples for N9 are online :) | 22:09 |
| tehdely | jesuschrist: it got resolved because some people needed you to reproduce it | 22:10 |
| tehdely | it's the same phenomenon that occurs whenever i go to the Genius Bar | 22:10 |
| tehdely | or call tech support, for anything | 22:10 |
| jesuschrist | im not following you tehdely | 22:10 |
| jesuschrist | what you mean | 22:10 |
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| tehdely | i'm saying that the very act of you coming to a channel trying to solve your issue is what caused it to solve itself | 22:10 |
| tehdely | it's like murphy's law of bugs | 22:10 |
| jesuschrist | actually the bug is still here | 22:11 |
| beford | its actually called a heisenbug | 22:11 |
| jesuschrist | emailed ovi and the dev | 22:11 |
| tehdely | beford: not really | 22:11 |
| tehdely | i think of a heisenbug as anything that disappears under observation | 22:11 |
| tehdely | there needs to be a different name for this phenomenon | 22:11 |
| beford | yes | 22:11 |
| beford | xD | 22:11 |
| beford | holybug | 22:12 |
| tehdely | the "i just called tech support and lo and behold, it's working!" phenomenon | 22:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | gabriel9: examples? | 22:13 |
| gabriel9 | P.S. Ford has/is paring down their number of platforms by 2/3 in just one product generation. So yes - virtually every one in the industry is paring down on platforms. Elop never said one phone. He simply said - a smaller number than the insanity that Nokia has. | 22:14 |
| gabriel9 | ups | 22:14 |
| gabriel9 | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Develop/Qt/Code_examples/Qt_MeeGo.xhtml | 22:14 |
| tehdely | and eventually we'll see a merger with/replacement of Series 40 with chunks of MeeGo | 22:14 |
| tehdely | or so the rumors say... | 22:14 |
| tehdely | the interesting thing about developing for MeeGo now, though, is that Nokia has committed to Windows Phone for their high-end smartphones | 22:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | gabriel9: are any of those any good in their own right? | 22:15 |
| beford | MeeBian or SymGo | 22:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i.e. is it worth building them and distributing binaries | 22:15 |
| tehdely | meaning that you're not developing for the phoens that will look anything like their future platform | 22:15 |
| gabriel9 | for me they are ok | 22:15 |
| tehdely | or the users that will look anything like their future users | 22:15 |
| gabriel9 | i just started with this development | 22:15 |
| tehdely | strange place for a developer to be... you've gotta be really committed | 22:15 |
| tehdely | or else it seems kind of a waste | 22:15 |
| tehdely | for me i just want to hack on the phone i own and make stuff that will benefit primarily me | 22:15 |
| tehdely | but nokia does not care very much about me :) | 22:15 |
| jesuschrist | we care tehdely, we care | 22:16 |
| tehdely | well gosh, I'm glad _somebody_ does! | 22:16 |
| gabriel9 | is there any good blog about nokia and smartphones? | 22:17 |
| beford | mynokiablog | 22:17 |
| beford | ? | 22:17 |
| gabriel9 | nooo | 22:17 |
| beford | everythingn9 ? | 22:17 |
| gabriel9 | winthat winthis | 22:17 |
| beford | oh you mean a good one | 22:17 |
| jesuschrist | windowsphoneblog ? | 22:18 |
| beford | xD | 22:18 |
| gabriel9 | :D | 22:18 |
| gabriel9 | damn | 22:18 |
| beford | there is a n9 developer blog | 22:18 |
| beford | on nokia | 22:18 |
| gabriel9 | njah they all chose side :/ | 22:19 |
| gabriel9 | no objectivity | 22:19 |
| gabriel9 | but this n9 developer is ok | 22:19 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | it would be cool to have a file manager that's aegis-aware and has a root mode | 22:19 |
| gabriel9 | damn, i need to learn linux more. I don't know what are you speaking | 22:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what i'm thinking is that it would assert CAP::dac_override | 22:20 |
| beford | nemo has a new filemanager, filemuncher its called maybe we can adapt it? | 22:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and fork and drop that capability | 22:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and then it would have some facility for entering the root password, which would relaunch and activate CAP::dac_override | 22:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | dac_override = global access to file system | 22:21 |
| beford | but what could it be used for? | 22:21 |
| beford | I mean if we replace soemthing MALF will appear | 22:21 |
| beford | no? | 22:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, this would be for manipulating files owned by any of the users (user, developer, root) | 22:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not aegis-protected files | 22:22 |
| beford | yea | 22:22 |
| beford | https://github.com/nemomobile/qmlfilemuncher | 22:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that isn't really a winning name :p | 22:23 |
| beford | ;P | 22:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and nemo doesn't have aegis so that couldn't be upstreamed | 22:23 |
| AndrewX192 | itsnotabigtruck: where's your hotspot fix at? | 22:23 |
| beford | nothing related to aegis can be | 22:23 |
| beford | appsformeego I believe | 22:23 |
| beford | also on the forum | 22:23 |
| beford | ad-hac right? | 22:24 |
| AndrewX192 | Found it | 22:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah | 22:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if it works, please set up a meego.com account and approve it | 22:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (community qa) | 22:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though the word on the street is that AFM has a limited shelf life now...i'm not sure when it's going to be shut down | 22:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyone know if it's possible to temporarily deactivate a linux capability | 22:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then reactivate it later | 22:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | via either aegis or linux apis | 22:28 |
| AndrewX192 | hah, WEP | 22:28 |
| beford | my n9 gets really hot when using hotspot | 22:29 |
| beford | I know why they called it like that | 22:29 |
| beford | xD | 22:29 |
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| AndrewX192 | N9 nokia brower doesn't trust https://meego.com? | 22:40 |
| virtuald | it's a self signed cert issued 22/2 this year | 22:43 |
| virtuald | or really issued by startcom.. hmm | 22:43 |
| virtuald | o certificate chain | 22:44 |
| virtuald | no* | 22:45 |
| MohammadAG | Sociality's 70% done | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG | What's left: Messages (not important), Events, Photos, Notes, and Chat | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG | not sure if I'm going to implement chat since it's built in anyway | 22:47 |
| beford | Message and Chat? facebook unificated those | 22:49 |
| beford | so its the same thing | 22:49 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | virtuald: it's not self-signed | 22:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, you said that already | 22:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i think they forgot to put in the intermediate cert | 22:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | does the N9 cache intermediate certs? | 22:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if so, try visiting https://endno.de/~itsnotabigtruck/inception | 22:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then visit https://meego.com | 22:56 |
| virtuald | nope doesn't work for me | 23:01 |
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| virtuald | works on firefox mobile | 23:03 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | virtuald: right, because firefox remembers intermediate certs | 23:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw have you incepted yet, and if so, have you seen aegisctl | 23:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also MohammadAG beford: make sure to grab aegisctl | 23:04 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | er, mohammadag already thank'd my post so i guess he's seen it already :) | 23:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also i asked last night but no one was on - anyone know if anything major on the N9 is ipv6-unaware? | 23:07 |
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| virtuald | opera doesn't check | 23:10 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | virtuald: what do you mean | 23:19 |
| virtuald | opera mobile does not give me a warning when i go to meego.com after i've cleared the cache | 23:20 |
| virtuald | i've reported the issue now | 23:20 |
| tehdely | i wish opera mobile registered itself as a web browser with the OS | 23:21 |
| tehdely | bit of an oversight | 23:21 |
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| tehdely | i used it as my primary browser on Symbian and would like to use it on the N9 too but it's kind of inconvenient | 23:21 |
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| virtuald | umm yeah proprietary technology | 23:22 |
| virtuald | ;) | 23:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | https://endno.de/~itsnotabigtruck/inception/ just added aegisctl on the inception website | 23:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw tehdely: any chance you could enter a qa approval on appsformeego for ad-hac? | 23:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol, 'fruit bug' is now outranking inception on n9-apps.com | 23:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also it looks like teleshoes entered an approval (thanks) | 23:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hrm, where'd everyone go :( | 23:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | MohammadAG: what's the benefit of your client vs the built-in one? | 23:33 |
| virtuald | i'm still on n9-apps.com :> | 23:33 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | virtuald: hm? | 23:36 |
| virtuald | i mean i'm here i'm just web browsing | 23:37 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1176343&highlight=blacklisted#post1176343 | 23:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyone know what people mean by "blacklisted" | 23:40 |
| beford | fruit bug looks nice | 23:43 |
| beford | xD | 23:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 23:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | beford: get aegisctl! :p you know you want it | 23:44 |
| beford | i already have it | 23:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | beford: ah ok | 23:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | is it the one published a few hours ago? | 23:45 |
| beford | oh no | 23:45 |
| beford | the deb from yesterday | 23:45 |
| beford | I dont have AFM | 23:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i published 3 different releases (0.1, 1.2, and the new 1.2) | 23:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the first 1.2 added the --really feature and better help, the second 1.2 just changed the help a little | 23:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so nothing really urgent | 23:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but the latest one is the newest and shiniest :p | 23:47 |
| beford | wat | 23:48 |
| beford | cant find it installed | 23:48 |
| beford | xD | 23:48 |
| beford | I thought I had it, how is the binary called? | 23:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | beford: /usr/sbin/aegisctl | 23:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you're using meego terminal, /usr/sbin isn't in the path by default | 23:50 |
| matrixx | X-Fade: ping | 23:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | everybody needs to start putting qr codes in their tmo posts | 23:53 |
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