IRC log of #harmattan for Thursday, 2012-03-08

itsnotabigtruckMohammadAG: yep00:00
itsnotabigtruckthe mentions of n9 on the site are just for simplicity00:00
itsnotabigtruckit definitely works on pr1.1 (n9), pr1.2beta (n950), and pr1.2 (n9)00:01
itsnotabigtruckand should work on everything else too00:01
MohammadAGitsnotabigtruck, ah, so I can leave beta2 now00:01
MohammadAGstayed on beta2 to get around aegis00:01
MohammadAGflashing clears the eMMC right?00:02
itsnotabigtruckMohammadAG: if you use the one-click flasher, it'll clear the mmc, yeah00:02
MohammadAGThe too frequent reboots aegis MALF is annoying...00:02
itsnotabigtruckyou don't have to clear the emmc, you can unzip the one-click flasher00:02
itsnotabigtruckand then use my flashing guide to just flash the main image, not the emmc image00:02
MohammadAGbooting from a dead battery is annoying00:03
MohammadAGdon't worry, I'm used to that00:03
MohammadAGtime to do some C++ hooks :D00:03
MohammadAGnot sure why I feel like hacking on Harmattan this way, probably cause it's too closed source00:03
MohammadAGMaybe I should hook the menu launcher so it looks in some folder for libs, if it finds them, LD_PRELOAD00:04
MohammadAGso we can have a /usr/lib/hooks/$appname/ folder00:04
MohammadAGfor example, launching music-suite, would look for .so files in /usr/lib/hooks/music-suite/*.so, if it finds them, LD_PRELOAD, otherwise use original symbol from dlsym00:05
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itsnotabigtruckhm, interesting00:06
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CorsacMohammadAG: do you have access to /etc/ ?00:09
MohammadAGI must admit, iOS gave me the idea00:10
MohammadAGCorsac, what's that?00:10
MohammadAGiOS has a "tweak", called MobileSubstrate, it does just that, reads plists (config files, like XML), then if a filter matches the binary, it loads the patched .dylib00:11
MohammadAGof course, it patches memory at runtime afaik, rather than preloading00:11
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MohammadAGdamn N950 not booting00:12
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Corsacit's a more permanent LD_PRELOAD, if you want00:12
Corsac(and I guess the same restrictions about setuid/setgid stuff apply)00:13
MohammadAGbut that is system wide no?00:16
MohammadAGwe don't want an override of QApplication::event() so the camera, for example, uses volume keys for stuff to affect everything, just the camera-ui bin00:16
Corsacyes it is00:17
MohammadAGno use in that then :P00:17
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MohammadAGthe UI in Harmattan bootstraps everything00:18
MohammadAGso simply replacing/modifying the exec call is enough00:18
MohammadAGmust've misunderstood\00:19
MohammadAGerr, wrong chan00:19
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MohammadAGmuhaha, flasher -b kicked it00:23
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MohammadAGRM680-34-2_PR_RM680:~# nm /usr/bin/camera-ui00:27
MohammadAGnm: /usr/bin/camera-ui: no symbols00:27
gabriel9what are you doing? :)00:27
MohammadAGexpecting a list of symbols00:27
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gabriel9guys what do you think about in app ads?00:28
gabriel9i was thinking maybe it is better then paying for app00:29
itsnotabigtruckgabriel9: no thanks00:29
gabriel9i know what you think00:29
itsnotabigtruckthey're becoming a massive issue on other platforms because ad networks use them as a platform for all sorts of spying00:29
itsnotabigtruckfor one00:29
gabriel9i also don't like them also00:30
itsnotabigtrucke.g. it's now the norm to have ad libraries that dynamically check what sort of system access they have00:30
gabriel9but usefull adds00:30
itsnotabigtruckthen extract as much data as possible through the host applications access00:30
itsnotabigtruckand upload it to the mothership00:30
gabriel9google does it :)00:30
gabriel9MS does it00:30
itsnotabigtruckthat's not ok, that hasn't ever been ok00:30
gabriel9i know00:30
itsnotabigtruckwell, what google and MS do with their web ads is completely different00:31
gabriel9but, hm without that spying is it ok to serve adds00:31
itsnotabigtruckgoogle and MS's ad departments don't have free reign over your phones00:31
itsnotabigtruckeven on android00:31
gabriel9chrome browser have everything from your web expirience00:32
gabriel9i don't know00:32
gabriel9it's all dirty00:32
gabriel9i just wish to code and make living of it :)00:32
gabriel9and i want N900:32
gabriel9btw, if anyone needs something about zend Framework/PHP/JS just call me. I know some stuff :)00:33
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MohammadAGmaking a living of development is hard :P00:36
MohammadAGunless it's a paid job00:36
MohammadAGfucking MALF00:36
gabriel9i have job now00:37
gabriel9and it is ok00:37
gabriel9but it is hard like hell00:37
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faenilguys how can I set ListView's height so that it takes as much as it needs for its children?02:06
faenilchildrenRect.height doesn't work02:06
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Mekfaenil: isn't a listview that is big enough to fit all its children just a Column with a Repeater inside?02:20
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faenilMek: mmm...02:26
franz`inception and the possibility of a mobilesubstrate-style thing for harmattan? today is a good day!02:28
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franz`kinda want to watch inception now to get the references lol02:35
franz`pasiv is the machine from the movie, I know that much02:35
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NecrosporusThere is now X11 for android, so N9 lost the biggest advantage, stuff like swipe UI is not free software, right? Than it doesn't count as advantage, as any additional bit of source-less code is disadvantage02:50
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befordfranz`,  mobilesubstrate-style thing for harmattan? <- more info? xD03:11
franz`was reading the backlog, mohammad ag mentioned something like that a couple hours ago03:11
franz`don't want foster false hopes, it's just "possible"03:12
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Sazpaimoncan anyone else not install the romaxa fennec builds on PR1.2?03:35
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SazpaimonI'm getting issues with the qt version it wants03:37
Sazpaimon fennec depends on libqtcore4 (>= 4.7.4~git20120202); however:03:38
Sazpaimon  Version of libqtcore4 on system is 4.7.4~git20120125-0maemo1+0m7.03:38
Sazpaimonit works fine if I force it, but that will probably lead to problems down the road03:39
Sazpaimonlooks like it's a known issue03:42
Sazpaimonhopefully romaxa fixes it03:42
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itsnotabigtruckthis is pretty crappy of nokia :/06:23
itsnotabigtruckas if ovi store acting up has anything at all to do with the country it's used from06:24
SpeedEvilIt may actually be - CDNs are wierd06:25
itsnotabigtruckSpeedEvil: well, even if it does have anything at all to do with the country it's used from, it's still nokia's problem06:27
itsnotabigtruckif it's the client, it's an N9 firmware problem = they have to deal with it06:27
itsnotabigtruckif it's the servers, it's an ovi store server problem = they have to deal with it06:27
itsnotabigtruckat no point is "we didn't distribute that phone where you are" anything but a cheap excuse06:28
itsnotabigtruckSpeedEvil: did you find the energy to try installing flash?06:53
itsnotabigtruckif so, did you see what precisely failed?06:53
SpeedEvilI just tried through the GUI so far06:53
itsnotabigtruckSpeedEvil: so yeah, try dpkg -i'ing it, you could also use pkgmgr install-file -f, i think it prints out the dpkg output if things go south06:57
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Khertanlbt, X-Fade: don't know if you have touch something on the cobs but now the package as been moved. Thx08:12
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itsnotabigtruck^ can someone verify that?08:31
itsnotabigtruckthat is, EPERM when running things in a chroot08:31
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ZogG_laptopkhertan_: \o/08:49
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: morning08:52
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: yo08:53
itsnotabigtrucki'm not super interested in the chroot stuff but in theory...08:54
itsnotabigtrucki think aegis-su -c -caps sh, then the chroot scripts, ought to work08:54
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jonniitsnotabigtruck: unsigned binaries in closed mode (in chroot) start to work after you disable the source identity check from aegis.09:09
jonnis/in chroot/and in chroot/09:11
itsnotabigtruckjonni: well, that's the "relaxed mode" i mentioned, right09:12
itsnotabigtruckthen aegis will put all the chroot stuff into SRC:: and it'll work09:12
itsnotabigtruckbut it'll fail with EPERM if the user tries to run the chroot with *every privilege* which is what i bet is going on09:13
jonniitsnotabigtruck: nope, relaxed mode only removes hash checking from unsigned binaries, but not the origin check09:13
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jonniif you disable origin checking then unlisted execs are not treated as unknown source origin.09:23
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tommais there service manual for n950?09:31
itsnotabigtrucktomma: probably not...well, one might exist inside nokia09:38
itsnotabigtruckwe have the service manuals we do because they were distributed widely to nokia repair shops09:38
itsnotabigtruckN950s don't have any sort of end-user warranty09:39
itsnotabigtruckand it's doubtful said shops will ever see one (maybe if a very confused n950 owner brings one in :p)09:39
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itsnotabigtruckjonni: yep, looks like you were right on the money09:58
jonniyep, posted reply on that thread.09:58
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gabriel9does qt comes on WP?10:45
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leinirgabriel9|work: well, there's some people at kdab who has been working on the compact edition stuff, but as for WP8 (not before, need native app support), well... it'll happen, we just don't know who'll be doing that support, of course :)10:47
fluxso how many are going to upgrade to pr1.3, should it ever arrive, if it 'breaks' inception?-) of course, there's tons of personal data security to be gained that way..10:47
leinirCould be community work, could be nokia, could even arguably be microsoft, but who knows :)10:48
gabriel9|workso we are in the dark here10:48
leinirWell... yes10:49
leinirthe only people who really know anything are the WP8 team :P10:49
gabriel9|workhas anyone tried qt quick on iPhone10:50
leinirwait... why is this discussed on #harmattan?10:50
gabriel9|worki belive project is called lighthouse10:50
gabriel9|workit is general talk :)10:50
gabriel9|workand i wish to know is there future for qt Quick on other platforms10:51
leinirlighthouse is just another name for the Qt Platform Abstraction system (or QPA to be TLA Compliant ;) )10:51
leinirbut, for info on that you'll want to check the qt4ios people out10:52
gabriel9|workhm, so there is no easy way to port apps10:54
gabriel9|workfrom harmattan to droid and ios10:54
itsnotabigtruckgabriel9|work: concerning qt10:54
itsnotabigtruckmy understanding is that nokia ported it, but i have no idea if it'll ever be available outside of nokia10:55
itsnotabigtrucksince wp7 is supposed to be pure .net to outsiders10:55
itsnotabigtruckit might be solely for their maps app10:55
itsnotabigtruckand things like it10:55
gabriel9|workswit jisus, so they create phone N9, OS for it and tools for porting and they give up from it10:55
itsnotabigtruckbut i'm not really in the know with such things...i've just heard it exists10:55
Termanaflux, I don't see any reason not to upgrade just because of inception. I haven't seen anything that gives it really any advantages over Open Mode.10:55
gabriel9|workthey must have so much monney and want to be stupid10:55
itsnotabigtruckTermana: the main benefit is a) no disclaimer, b) it's easy10:56
fluxtermana, hmm, can you use nokia maps etc in Open Mode?10:56
Termanaflux, AFAIK yes10:56
itsnotabigtruckthe problem was: there's basically nothing available that actually takes advantage of open mode to Do Cool Things10:56
itsnotabigtruckit existed, but without anything built around it, it's useless10:56
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itsnotabigtruckso it had to be made easier for both users and devs to gain open-mode-type access10:57
Termanaitsnotabigtruck, the only advantage I see there is maybe having no disclaimer might not scare a few people10:57
fluxhow about the usb-host/otg-thingy on n9, has it folded? fmtx?10:57
itsnotabigtruckso that devs (many of which aren't compelled to go open mode) and users (most of which won't consider open mode) can build apps and use them10:57
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itsnotabigtruckflux: current status of fmtx is that it appears there's no antenna10:58
itsnotabigtrucknot sure if it's speculation or reality, but that doesn't sound unlikely10:58
itsnotabigtruckanyway, open mode, it's great for things like nitdroid, but few users are going to bother with it just to get a few apps that might come out10:59
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itsnotabigtruckand flux: re the usb thing, i think the current status is that the author is busy and isn't super interested in the N9 now11:00
itsnotabigtruckiirc there's two prongs to it, a) providing sufficient power over the usb, b) enabling it through the kernel11:00
itsnotabigtrucki'm pretty sure it's doable, it's a matter of how to pull it off11:01
psycho_oreositsnotabigtruck, ping11:02
itsnotabigtruckpsycho_oreos: what's up11:02
psycho_oreositsnotabigtruck, fyi that inception doesn't work against pr1.0 :)11:02
itsnotabigtruckpsycho_oreos: hrm, should have tested for that11:03
itsnotabigtruckno reason to stay on pr1.0 anyway though...the grass is greener with 1.2 :)11:03
psycho_oreostoo bad otoh pr1.2 isn't available for 64GB variant11:03
Aardpsycho_oreos: don't mention that in front of my phone, please11:04
psycho_oreoswell not for the one I have on hand.. not without using something like navifirm and flashing it completely11:04
itsnotabigtruckTermana: keep in mind that much of TMO is reluctant to flash their phones at all11:04
psycho_oreosAard, don't mention what?11:04
Termanasmells like Nokia11:04
Aardpsycho_oreos: that it can't be running pr1.211:04
itsnotabigtruckdoing a complete wipe of all data to enable open access will not appeal to so many people11:05
itsnotabigtruck(and then doing so again if they change their mind)11:05
psycho_oreosAard, its probably a thing to do with various country releases :p11:05
rigo?? I have the 64GB variant and I have PR 1.211:06
itsnotabigtruckAard: unless you're deliberately avoiding upgrading, there's no reason not to load up pr1.2 right now11:06
psycho_oreosrigo, read what I said, it could be a country specific release11:06
rigoI would even encourage that as it improves battery lifetime and adds lots of features11:07
psycho_oreospr1.2 the last I checked is NOT available for Australian 64GB11:07
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Aarditsnotabigtruck: I'm running pr1.2 on a 64gb n9, he mentioned it wouldn't be available11:07
psycho_oreosand you lose openmode kernel access11:07
rigopsycho_oreos, I see, this is because of the difference in the magnetic field of the southern hemisphere ;)11:08
itsnotabigtruckAard: pr1.2 is definitely available for 64gig N9s...11:08
itsnotabigtruckhowever, there are a lot of product codes (numbers printed on the sim tray)11:08
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itsnotabigtrucknokia has a rather...strange...firmware releasing process and frequently misses a lot of product codes11:08
itsnotabigtruckin that case you just flash it, which is quite safe to do11:08
psycho_oreosrigo, the magnetic field isn't as strong as the one in the northern hemisphere :p11:08
rigohere you go!11:08
psycho_oreosand I'm looking at the OTA releases11:09
psycho_oreosor unless one must update to pr1.1 before they can update to pr1.2 via OTA11:09
rigonokia has anticipated that and has avoided the upgrade down under so your phone doesn't float away because of PR 1.2 lightness11:10
rigooh, you already missed 1.1?11:10
itsnotabigtruckyou can go straight from pr1.0 to pr1.2 via ssu btw, in fact, now that pr1.2 is out you can't go to pr1.111:10
itsnotabigtruckbecause pr1.2 is what's in the repo11:10
romaxadid anyone try to stop mcompositor/meegotouch and render something into framebuffer/null ws eglContext?11:11
psycho_oreosrigo, what does yours float? that'd be the first. Put it on water and youtube it11:11
Termanapsycho_oreos, the real question is, will it blend?11:12
TermanaTry it and put it on youtube11:12
rigoI can't, I'm in northern hemisphere eating my "caike" :)11:12
psycho_oreosTermana, you're the one who suggested that idea, you should try it first11:12
rigoso the magnetic field is too strong here, you said11:12
psycho_oreosrigo, what you worried that it'll float towards artic?11:13
itsnotabigtruckromaxa: have you looked into the dependency issue on the firefox builds? (sorry to pounce on you like this)11:13
rigopsycho_oreos, antarctic11:13
itsnotabigtruckit looks like the situation is that building with the PR1.3 SDK gives the produced deb PR1.3 dependencies11:13
psycho_oreosarctic rather11:13
rigopsycho_oreos, but if you want to brick your phone, just listen to this channel and do everything they suggest :)11:13
romaxaitsnotabigtruck: yep, already has packages with PR1.2 deps11:14
itsnotabigtruckromaxa: oh, awesome11:14
romaxaitsnotabigtruck: alsi install now public sdk and rebuilding packages in that environment11:14
psycho_oreosrigo, fyi, antarctic is south, not north. Your geology failed11:14
gabriel9|workcan you guys install debuging packages on N9?11:15
itsnotabigtruckgabriel9|work: that's been a problem11:15
itsnotabigtruckthey didn't update libc6-dbg to match the PR1.2 libc11:15
itsnotabigtruck= no local debugging until they fix their stuff11:15
itsnotabigtrucknow that the pr1.2 sources are out, you can probably make your own :D11:16
romaxaitsnotabigtruck: so practically it should work everywhere after that, basically you can check, just uploaded new version compiled against public SDK11:16
itsnotabigtruckjust do a scratchbox build of libc6 and put the -dbg package on the N911:16
itsnotabigtruckromaxa: nice work11:16
gabriel9|workwell i don't have time now for that11:16
gabriel9|workbut i will check how to build stuff for me :)11:17
romaxaitsnotabigtruck: also try - also compiled with public SDK, should be installable even on Pr1.011:17
romaxaitsnotabigtruck: I'm thinking about running b2g on N950/N9... but first need to kill meegotouch/X/mcompositor in order to get direct rendering to fb0... is there are safe instructions which show how to stop these services without trashing whole system?11:20
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itsnotabigtruckromaxa: testing those packages now11:26
itsnotabigtruckbut i'm probably not of much help with your question...11:27
itsnotabigtruckit seems like there has to be a better way to go than taking over the framebuffer, but i have no idea how fennec's rendering works11:27
romaxaitsnotabigtruck: I got b2g/fennec working on beagleboard with minimal ubuntu/debian rootstock image + SGX binary drivers from
romaxaitsnotabigtruck: it works without X11, without Qt/gtk11:30
itsnotabigtruckromaxa: ah, i didn't realize you were talking about boot to gecko11:30
itsnotabigtruckmaybe it would make sense to cook an image without having meegotouch in the first place?11:31
romaxaitsnotabigtruck: did that already, works fine11:31
romaxaitsnotabigtruck: ok, tested packages by myself on 2.2011.39-5 - seems to work fine11:34
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romaxaitsnotabigtruck: - flash works11:36
itsnotabigtruckromaxa: yep, seems to work fine (but i'm testing on pr1.2 which doesn't prove much)11:37
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itsnotabigtruckthe first thing i tested with the flash player was the all important www.zombo.com11:41
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djszapihi javispedro, long time no seen ya :)12:05
javispedrohi djszapi12:05
ieatlinti'm not sure i have enough alcohol in my apartment for this week12:09
djszapiweird to think only about this week :)12:10
ieatlinti've had a pet die saturday, and in the past 24h my uncle died and an ex randomly contacted me with lonely/suicidal thoughts12:10
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djszapiouch :/ commiseratings :/12:11
ieatlintthx, but is ok, both pet and uncle exceeded their life expectencies12:12
ieatlintjust.. alcohol12:13
djszapithe mer yaml thingie is quite buggy at this stage...12:15
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Rantwolfis there a way for me to bring my old messages from my iphone to my new n9?12:22
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javispedroharbaum, there?12:22
djszapijavispedro: what are you up to nowadays in your pastime ?12:23
javispedromostly real work (TM) and a business trip to the states12:24
djszapijavispedro: what area in "real work" ?12:25
javispedrodjszapi, but now that I have the sources and debug symbols I plan to update my garmin gps simulator stuff for harmattan12:25
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javispedrodjszapi, i am working in electronic design automation tools12:26
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javispedrodjszapi, and what are you doing these days? :)12:27
djszapijavispedro: android :)12:28
javispedroqt for android stuff at least I hope ;P12:28
djszapinah, platform :P12:29
djszapipure C/C++12:29
djszapibut yes, I will try to port KDE to it in my pastime.12:29
ieatlintjavispedro: if your trip includes san francisco, i'll buy you a beer12:29
javispedrono Java at least :)12:29
javispedroieatlint, nah, i'm back from it already :) was in NY and NC12:29
ieatlintwell, NY is fun at least :P12:30
javispedro(but thanks for the offer :) )12:30
javispedroharbaum: (to avoid firing up an email client ;P) you are looking for eglGetProcAddress12:31
harbaumjavispedro: thanks :_12:35
javispedrogood luck!12:35
harbaumwe'll see ... sounds less trivial than i hoped ...12:35
javispedrosomeone could try and do a glext-like library12:36
harbaumi wonder why the includes are there then12:36
javispedrobut if you already got to the point where you are just missing the actual function addresses it should not be hard12:36
javispedrojust create a few global pointer-to-functions and load them at some point and that's it12:37
javispedrono idea, I think the std only defines that the typedefs should be there12:37
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djszapijavispedro: no java :p12:42
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djszapihey faenil I have playbooks around :)13:02
faenildjszapi, argghhhh :D13:04
aquariusyay, PR1.2 browser plays audio properly, hooray! However, audio stops when the screen locks, or when I switch apps. Can I stop the screen locking when music's playing, perhaps?13:04
djszapifaenil: I think there are two or three around13:05
faenildjszapi, wanna send me one? lol13:06
faenildjszapi, just need it for one day :D13:06
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javispedrothey also seemingly shipped free playbooks on mwc =)13:10
faeniljavispedro, yeeees! and I wasn't there xD13:10
faeniland at another event too13:10
javispedrono idea why rim does not start shipping qnx phones13:10
faeniljavispedro, maybe it's WIP13:11
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djszapifaenil: no, sorry :p13:11
djszapiit is for KDE stuff :p13:11
faenildjszapi, dammit XD13:11
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faenildjszapi, I'm tired of uploading 20mb each time and looking for someone who has so much free time that he wants to spend it testing my 3d model viewer xD13:12
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djszapiwhat should I tell you, if you do not wanna be smart as advised ? :p13:12
faenildjszapi, ?13:13
djszapiIf I were you, I would write a simple app to get a free playbook...13:14
djszapinot an overcomplicated workflow to get one which might end up ....13:14
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faenildjszapi, the app is already working man :D I just people to test the things I add :D13:15
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griendless rain ... will it ever end :(13:22
djszapigri sunshine in Darmstadt :D13:22
gridjszapi: grr, what are you doing there?13:23
djszapigri breathing air for instance :)13:23
djszapigri: beyong the joke: we have a Plasma Active sprint in here.13:26
gridamn, sattelite photo shows rainless everywhere except here13:26
faenil15° here, sun shining13:28
djszapigri at least now snow as in Finland :p13:28
djszapibe optimist :)13:28
* gri wants summer13:31
faenilI can see it's almost summer here XD13:32
djszapiho to new zealand :p13:32
gridjszapi: I already bought a lottery ticket yesterday and hope for the best :P13:33
djszapigood luck :)13:34
djszapido not forget we are good friends once you win ;)13:34
griI think once I win I will have many good friends :/13:35
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aquariusI'd like to try building Harmattan apps on Ubuntu. I've installed the "qt-sdk" and "qt-creator" packages, but I can't see where I specify that Harmattan is my target to build stuff. Am I doing something obviously wrong?14:26
phakoaquarius: maybe the sdk in ubuntu is too old?14:31
aquariusum. I don't know. HOw can I work that out?14:34
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phakogood question14:35
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CissWitAbout my bluetooth problem : i can use the terminal to request action like scanning (hcitool scan) and it works well, but i can't use the UI to set up bluetooth. So the problem is not with the hardware nor the driver, but something in the UI is not responsing. Any hint where to look a problem for ? I even tried a reset (Settings -> Reset -> Restore settings) but still the same problem.14:36
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xmlich02aquarius, try to install qt-sdk from
aquariusxmlich02, the stuff I need isn't packaged in Ubuntu?14:53
xmlich02I don't know, you should ask ubuntu package maintainers. As far as I remember, the packaging of qt was not so easy.  Two years ago, there was only main parts of qt required for kde, etc. But the other parts (e.g. qt mobility) wasn't so well supported from distro maintainers. I don't know it is better in current version..14:59
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jreznikit's more about harmattan toolchain not about qt :)15:03
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djszapijreznik: ping15:04
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jreznikdjszapi: pong15:08
djszapijreznik: do you have any ideas for this issue ?
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jreznikdjszapi: missing build dep15:13
djszapijreznik: which one ?15:15
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jreznikdjszapi: some opengl - gluonviewerpart.cpp:138:47: error: 'glPolygonMode' was not declared in this scope - so GLU? or something similar (me is not sure where it belongs in gl)15:19
djszapiQtOpenGL should manage it..15:23
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djszapijreznik: where do you see that error ?15:32
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djszapiohh in the detailed build log, ok.15:33
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jreznikdjszapi: yep, with parallel builds it's harder to spot the error15:34
jreznikusually search for "error:" - it makes it easier15:35
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gabriel9|worknow what, we should pray for bugfixes :/15:59
djszapigabriel9|work: I cannot talk about the details, but it might be better this way, unfortunately.16:00
djszapibetter than getting frustrated with no replies.16:00
gabriel9|worktomorow i will have presentation about mobile industry to my colegues16:03
rigobtw, since PR 1.2 the nokia mail application crashes on folder change16:03
gabriel9|workand i wished to create example in N916:04
djszapigabriel9|work: handset, tablet or both ?16:04
gabriel9|workwell both16:04
gabriel9|workand when someone asks me great what phone is that16:04
gabriel9|worki will tell them what :D16:04
gabriel9|workbtw i will talk about qt also16:04
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rigoif you really want to change the world, get meego on those windows phones :) Like laptops in the nineties...16:05
gabriel9|workwell they are really excited when i show them N916:06
deramonly difference is that back then there was no strong cryptography making things impossible16:07
rigodo you mean using tcg to completely lock the phone?16:07
deramall the M$ requirements on win8 must be locked on arm devices etc...16:08
gabriel9|workjust that requirements :D16:09
rigobut does that prevent people from flashing the phone?16:09
deramhave you seen anyone flashing protected phones...16:09
gabriel9|workdjszapi:do you have some materials about smartphones or mobile industry?16:10
djszapigabriel9|work: just my kde mobile slides about several talks.16:10
rigohm... deram, that may be worth a whisper campaign.16:10
rigoand elop will not last for ever ;)16:10
gabriel9|worktech stuff or overview of comming technologies?16:12
itsnotabigtruckwonderful :/ (re the bug tracker thing)16:12
itsnotabigtrucki suppose that was an inevitability, but still16:13
itsnotabigtruckseems like a blunt way to go about it16:13
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gabriel9|worki wonder who decision was it16:18
djszapidoes it matter whose decision ?16:18
gabriel9|worki'm not Zeelot or hater, but this is just stupid way16:18
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denismI can suppose - it is related to 11 Feb 201116:19
gabriel9|workyes, it will be good knowledge for future16:19
gabriel9|workfor me btw16:19
gabriel9|worki work in company and i wish to know who can do this stuff16:20
djszapiwhat good knowledge ?16:20
gabriel9|workintercepting bad ideas and how to fight against them16:20
djszapibad idea from your pov.16:20
gabriel9|workpov is? :)16:20
gabriel9|worki'm sorry, i will not ask again16:21
djszapiprincess of virginity :)16:21
gabriel9|worki go to work now, best regards16:21
djszapi(point of view)16:21
faenilwonder why the text element doesn't wrap by default16:22
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djszapifaenil: and the label element in qt-components is even worse16:35
djszapibecause it does not expose that property.16:35
faenildjszapi, yeah I remember that16:35
djszapiso I personally had to make a nasty code about that :p16:35
djszapifaenil: forwhat price have you sold your N9 ?16:36
djszapiI am probably gonna make it sold for 300 EUR at this stage.16:36
gabriel9|workwhy sell?16:36
faenildjszapi, 330€16:36
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gabriel9|worki search for pink to buy for my gf16:38
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faenildjszapi, how do I set the text's width in an element which is inside a Grid? I don't remember if there's a way to get cellWidth (since it's auto calculated916:43
djszapido you get any warnings if you try to set it, or what is the problem ?16:44
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Jaya_the_Cat@bugzilla closed for Harmattan, ouch, I just bought my N9 today... maybe it was a mistake? :/16:45
djszapiJaya_the_Cat: you can hopefully return it16:46
djszapiin few days/weeks.16:46
rm_workwait really, they closed the bug tracker for the N9 already? T_T16:47
djszapifaenil: when did you finally sell it ?16:47
faenildjszapi, don't remember, some weeks ago16:48
djszapifaenil: then 300 EUR is not that bad16:49
djszapifaenil: or was your one 16 GB ?16:49
faenil16Gb, Cyan, 33016:49
djszapican someone tell me the url of powertop in the tools/apps repository ?16:50
djszapi -> Marcell wrote that, it is now available there.16:51
rigogabriel9|work, we are working on (you asked for trends)16:51
_MeeGoBot_Bug 1119 maj, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, ASSI, PowerTOP is not available for developers despite of the documentation16:51
Jaya_the_Catdjszapi, hehehe can't return in my country, oh well, for sure last Nokia phone my family will ever buy16:53
djszapiJaya_the_Cat: that is quite strange.16:54
Jaya_the_Catdjszapi, I bought it for Qt support though, after spending many hours with the symbian build system on N82 and after getting my app running as turtle16:54
Jaya_the_Catso, hopefully Qt on it will be smooth16:55
djszapihope so :)16:55
jreznikhmm, closed bugzilla - wouldn't be better just give the whole harmattan (with bugzilla) to community?16:55
djszapijreznik: there are other plans, but it cannot really be disclosed yet I guess.16:56
djszapijreznik: btw, can you tell me the url of that powertop package ?16:56
djszapiI do not unfortunately that tools repository here.16:56
jreznikdjszapi: powertop?16:56
djszapisee the bug report above (1119)16:57
faenildjszapi, the problem is Grid doesn't have cellWidth property16:57
faenilonly GridView does16:57
djszapiwhy is that a problem ?16:58
faenilI have a Grid, how can I make so that the text in a cell wraps?16:58
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djszapiset the cell width in the cell I guess...16:58
djszapithat is how I did.16:59
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faenilexactly, how do I see the cell width?16:59
* jreznik does not have any clue about powertop, url and such :)16:59
jreznikand n9 is still really very hard marketted in Slovakia - it's everywhere, even more than Lumia in our market, strange :)17:00
jreznikdjszapi: any eta of dislose of that plan? :)))17:00
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djszapijreznik: just fetch it17:01
djszapiand you will see the url.17:01
faenilthere's no property which tells you the current cell width17:01
djszapifaenil: text has a width...17:01
faenilno it doesn't if you don't set it17:01
djszapiof course, you need to set it if you need a "custom" width...17:02
* djszapi does not see any issues17:02
faenildjszapi, if you want the text to wrap, you HAVE to set an explicit width17:02
djszapiwhat is so hard about it ?17:02
faenilwhat should I set it to, if I don't know the cell width?17:03
djszapicellWidth would not really help about that anyway17:03
djszapiit would be the same as setting the cell width17:03
faenilyeah exactly17:04
faenilso how do I get the current cell width which qml has auto determined when laying things out?17:04
djszapiI do not understand the problem17:05
djszapiit seems a straight-forward logic to me17:05
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faenilargh XD17:05
djszapiif you wanna have the maximum width as the cell width, go for it17:05
djszapisimple maximum calculation17:05
faenilno I want to know the value that QML has determined to be the cell width17:05
faenillook, you have a Grid, you have items inside it, QML auto layout calculation sets the width of the cells17:06
faenilwhich is not the same for all cells17:07
faenilhow do I get width and height of the cell I'm working on?17:07
faenildon't know if you got me :)17:07
gabriel9|workthe content of the cell should set width and height odf the cell17:09
gabriel9|worki gues17:09
faenilexactly, that's the value I want to know, but the text isn't wrapping17:09
faenilso Grid is not settings the "width" property of that cell17:09
faenilit's just taking into account that that cell has a certain width17:10
gabriel9|worki will check that at home17:10
faenilthanks ;)17:10
gabriel9|worki'm at work now and don't have qt stuff here17:10
faenilnp ;)17:11
faenilI would expect the text to auto wrap once I have set the wrap mode and put it into a grid (which should, as you said, set its width)17:11
gabriel9|workit sets its width acording the content17:12
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gabriel9|workand content it's not wrapping text17:12
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faenilif it set the text's width (which is the element of the grid) the text would wrap, since I have set the wrapMode17:13
djszapifaenil: I do not still see the issue17:13
djszapiit seems to me trivial logic.17:13
faenildjszapi, I don't know how to explain it in other words :)17:13
djszapifaenil: it has a width/height property.17:14
faenildjszapi, the issue is I have a text in a Grid and I can't make it wrap (without setting a fixed width)17:14
faenildjszapi, yes but they're not set, I have to set them, and what should I set them to? to the width of the cell the text is part of, which is not known.17:14
faenilI don't want to set a fixed width to the text17:14
gabriel9|workset max width17:15
faenilI want it to be set to the width of the cell which is calculated by xml17:15
gabriel9|workand it will wrap17:15
faenilgabriel9|work, of course, but that's not what I want17:15
djszapifaenil: it is weird if the width/height is not set17:15
gabriel9|worksomething must have max size17:15
gabriel9|workto wrapp stuff17:15
djszapihave you tried childrenRect ?17:16
djszapiif nothing else, width/height should be available.17:16
faenilgabriel9|work, yes, in my case, I told the grid to fill the screen17:16
gabriel9|workyes that was i also recemend17:16
faenilsorry to use the screen's width17:16
faeniland made it have 2 columns17:16
faenilwhich don't have the same width17:16
faenil(qml handles that)17:17
faenilnow, the most wide thing on the left determines the left column width17:18
faenilscreen.width - leftcolumn.width (but I don't know leftcolumn.width) is rightcolumn.width17:18
faenilwhich is what I need17:18
gabriel9|workfaenil, when i get home can you put your code on some pastie17:20
faenilgabriel9|work, sure, it's no big deal, just I don't see why this shouldn't be the easiest thing to do17:20
faenilGrid{ width: parent.width; columns: 2; Text{ text: "hi"} ; Text{wrapMode: Text.WordWrap; text: "hi I'm a long text I want to wrap please let me wrap"}}17:22
faenilthat's an easy example17:22
faenilof what I want to say17:22
faenilthe Grid will set left column width to "hi".width17:22
faenilso I want the right text to wrap relating to the remaining available width17:23
faenilhow do I say that without using "hi".width?17:23
faenildjszapi, that's what I mean ;) ^ hope it's clear now17:23
faenilone thing could be wrapping all in 2 columns and use width of the left column17:24
faenilbut that's not part of the question :)17:24
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gabriel9|worksorry i must play CS now17:27
faenilahahah :D17:27
gabriel9|workthis job is great :D17:27
itsnotabigtrucki wonder if the webos users are going to hack the stuff out of their phones with the open source code release for that17:27
faenilI guess I'd better ask that question in qt-qml17:28
djszapifaenil: sorry, need to leave.17:39
faenildjszapi, np17:39
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itsnotabigtruck lol @ this flash intro19:37
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ZogG_N9why instead of closing bug tracker nokia didnt close themself21:16
ZogG_N9or opened harmattan21:17
ZogG_N9i remember at least 5 years support promises and long term support21:17
ZogG_N9but now less time than maemo passed21:17
ZogG_N9is it bad that i want to push in the face all stupid people21:18
ZogG_N9i just know its same in company i work, when my hands are tied on decision of not tech people, but they like to talk bullshit with a lot of tech words, like they do understand21:19
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rzrZogG_N9: so true21:24
itsnotabigtruckhey ZogG_N921:24
rzrZogG_N9: how to deal with non tech pple ?21:24
ZogG_N9itsnotabigtruck, hey21:24
rzrignore them? educate them ?21:24
itsnotabigtruckthis bug tracker shutdown is definitely problematic...what were they thinking21:24
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itsnotabigtruckif nothing else it's a PR faux pas21:24
ZogG_N9rzr let them be sellers at bazaar where they belong21:24
rzrbut they're everywhere...21:25
ZogG_N9kill them? =/21:26
ZogG_N9i just want nokia to be sold so i can say - told ya21:26
jonnithere is no bugs left, sw is perfect :)21:28
rzrthen you can close your door21:29
ZogG_N9jonni, like stalin said21:30
rzritsnotabigtruck: let me rate your app on a4m21:30
ZogG_N9no person no problem21:30
rzrif you can do that on redak too , i want to push a new release21:30
ZogG_N9no os no problem21:30
ZogG_N9rzr, are you testers before testing?21:31
itsnotabigtruckrzr: good timing, i just added the afm repo to my n921:31
itsnotabigtruckso i can load up redak from there21:31
rzrand plz rate it21:31
rzronce it get 6+ it should be published21:31
itsnotabigtrucknote that the approvals reset after you update21:31
itsnotabigtruckso publish the update first21:31
ZogG_N9rzr, gonna rate but wait for khertan_ editor21:31
itsnotabigtruckit would be nice to get some ratings on ad-hac, or anything else in afm for that matter21:32
itsnotabigtruckit seems that no one has approved anything for months21:32
rzritsnotabigtruck: once the testing version is published , update will be puslished21:32
ZogG_N9itsnotabigtruck, not using them - cant rate =(21:33
itsnotabigtruckZogG_N9: what do you mean?21:33
ZogG_N9didnt get the milk tracker21:33
itsnotabigtruckafaik anyone with a account can approve anything21:33
itsnotabigtruck6 approvals = migration21:33
ZogG_N9itsnotabigtruck, ad hac, i have ad host anyway21:34
ZogG_N9i mean i dont rate if i didnt install21:34
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rzritsnotabigtruck: voted on mt21:35
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ZogG_N9i didnt get what is mt for21:37
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itsnotabigtruckZogG_N9: it's for making module files21:37
itsnotabigtrucklike the old school 8-bit-console-style music21:38
ZogG_N9rzr gave 5 starts before21:38
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itsnotabigtruckalso i'm not talking about reviews21:38
itsnotabigtruckreviews don't actually do anything useful21:38
itsnotabigtruckit's approvals that matter21:38
itsnotabigtruckthe community QA button21:38
ZogG_N9i need to go to comp to do it21:38
loxionworldhei guys. very new to this n9 linux game. im very interested to lesrn from all u guys **21:38
ZogG_N9client cant do it21:38
ZogG_N9loxionworld, sorry bugtracker is closed21:39
ZogG_N9rip harmattan =)21:39
loxionworldmeant to learn *typo*21:39
ZogG_N9viva la nitroid and mer, hacks and community21:39
itsnotabigtruckloxionworld: well, you're probably in the right place21:39
rzritsnotabigtruck: amiga mod where on 16bits isnt it ?21:40
ZogG_N9loxionworld, try linux on computer as second os, that might help21:40
loxionworldis the coding for n9 the same as pc os?21:40
itsnotabigtruckrzr: good point...well, you get the idea :p21:41
itsnotabigtruckloxionworld: very similar21:41
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ZogG_N9loxionworld, not exactly, what language u want to code?21:41
jonniZogG_N9: public bugtracker is closed, if you find some really major bug it still can be entered to internal tracker.21:41
itsnotabigtruckyou can install scratchbox, which makes programming for the N9 almost like programming for a normal linux pc21:41
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ZogG_N9jonni, we all know the story man21:41
itsnotabigtruckjust to make it clear for everyone involved ^ rzr ZogG_N9 etc.21:42
ZogG_N9jonni, we passed maemo5 story same way21:42
itsnotabigtruckREVIEWING does not approve an app21:42
itsnotabigtruckyou must a) find the page on the AFM website21:42
itsnotabigtruckb) log in21:42
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itsnotabigtruckc) click community qa21:42
ZogG_N9itsnotabigtruck, i got it21:42
itsnotabigtruckd) tick the checkbox at the top and verify that everything below is true, then click da button21:42
itsnotabigtruckwell, i'm just noticing that you guys have been reviewing each other's apps and *not* approving them :p21:43
ZogG_N9jonni, at least no "wontfix"21:43
loxionworldim running on a quad cpu with 4gig ram. which linux will b gud enough for my system?21:43
ZogG_N9itsnotabigtruck, doing it from client and i did qa few apps before21:43
ZogG_N9my app is not there21:43
ZogG_N9loxionworld, any21:43
itsnotabigtruckrzr: i'll approve your app after doing a little validation on your package21:44
itsnotabigtrucki'd definitely like for it to be a bit more polished...overall the quality of apps submitted to AFM has been very unsatisfying21:44
ZogG_N9loxionworld, ubuntu is mantaine and most of outofbox pretty looking, but i prefer hardcore gentoo =)21:44
itsnotabigtruckinstead of being the non-corporate alternative to ovi, or whatever, it seems to have turned into an agglomeration of b-team apps21:45
ZogG_N9itsnotabigtruck, thats why i said no voting if not installed21:45
loxionworldi think ive got fedora iso somewher in my external but i think its 4-6 years old. gud enough?21:45
ZogG_N9loxionworld, yes, but better to get new, with proper drivers and stuff21:46
loxionworld@zog whats hard core for u?21:46
ZogG_N9loxionworld, source based, with all things to config manually21:46
loxionworlddoes all linux come will drivers or do i have to download?21:47
rzritsnotabigtruck: the current one is far better21:47
itsnotabigtruckrzr: what's up with the postist/prerm scripts?21:48
loxionworldwith i meant *typo*21:48
itsnotabigtruckyou don't need maintainer scripts just to make a symlink21:48
ZogG_N9loxionworld, fedora would do it instead of you21:49
ZogG_N9loxionworld, you can boot with cd into os and check before installing21:49
rzritsnotabigtruck: i'll look how to do that the debian way21:49
ZogG_N9loxionworld, just go to ubuntu.com21:50
ZogG_N9rpc uses xml right or not or depends?21:52
Corsacmy n9 is back from warranty21:52
Corsacthey upgraded it to pr1.221:52
ZogG_N9Corsac, what was the problem?21:52
Corsacwhich means I'm not sure I can restore my backups...21:52
CorsacZogG_N9: broken glass21:52
itsnotabigtruckrzr: you need a non-default package manager icon21:52
ZogG_N9i want to make remote app for transmission one day21:53
rzrlet me update the current version21:53
rzrif you want to review it21:53
itsnotabigtruckah, the one on AFM isn't current?21:53
rzrthis is stupid to review old crap21:53
itsnotabigtruckoh ok21:53
itsnotabigtruckthen i guess i should give the package-nazi treatment to the new one instead :p21:54
ZogG_N9rzr, you have vim in repos? move some usefull tools to a4m21:54
itsnotabigtruckZogG_N9: a lot of them probably need to be harmattanized with user/ sections and package manager icons and stuff21:54
ZogG_N9itsnotabigtruck, thats why my pkg is not there21:54
rzrvim what an heresy ! you want to kill an emacs user like me21:54
itsnotabigtrucknot having a p-m icon is probably excusable for a command line app though21:55
ZogG_N9itsnotabigtruck, no need for that, vim from console at least if you dont wan to make meevim21:55
rzritsnotabigtruck: will push new one tonite ok ?21:55
itsnotabigtruckrzr: ok cool21:55
ZogG_N9rzr, ok now or never =)21:55
ZogG_N9coz planning to kill myself later today21:56
ZogG_N9do your last chance21:56
rzritsnotabigtruck: i thought it would be good to have a version in accepted and an oter one testimg21:56
itsnotabigtruckrzr: don't, it's hard enough getting 6 approvals for one version21:56
rzrthats what i wanted it to be accepted before uploading the testing one21:56
rzrok thx for this advice21:57
itsnotabigtruckCorsac: they accepted your N9 for warranty service for a broken screen?21:58
itsnotabigtruckbtw if anyone could approve this, that would be awesome21:58
itsnotabigtruckthat said i guess most of you here don't use it since you have no need for it :p21:58
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* itsnotabigtruck has to memorize a bunch of block cipher modes for the test coming up :(22:01
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ZogG_N9we need to make proper qa team luke in maemo22:04
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itsnotabigtruckit looks like this person's phone wasn't actually flashed to PR1.2, despite them saying so22:10
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itsnotabigtrucki bet s/he did something like flash the rootfs only22:10
ZogG_N9loxionworld, how is it going?22:10
ZogG_N9gonna go22:11
ZogG_N9time to pay attention to gf22:11
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Corsacitsnotabigtruck: no, I paid for the repair22:27
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Corsachmhm, does anyone know if I can send my smses from an e71 to the n9?22:27
itsnotabigtruckCorsac: i think so...or maybe try using nokia suite22:28
CorsacI don't have windows so no pc suite for me, but maybe some bluetooth sync22:28
Corsac(though I'd like to only send smses from e71 to n9, not get the smses from n9 to e71)22:28
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divanhi. is it possible to install git on the device with latest firmware (pr1.2)?23:04
divanI stuck with the openssl1.0.0 dependency problem23:04
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teleshoesi have git working on PR1.123:05
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teleshoesecho 'deb ./' > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/home-rzr-harmattan.list23:09
teleshoesapt-get update23:09
teleshoesapt-get install git23:09
divanteleshoes, and how about git-core package?23:13
teleshoesyep, libssl dep23:14
teleshoessame as you23:14
teleshoesjust didnt notice23:15
teleshoesi dont know what git-core provides these days23:16
teleshoesi sorta thought nothing23:16
teleshoesi use git every day on my n923:17
divanteleshoes, i've installed git successfully, but i got weird errors on git clone from my repo, so I guess git-clone is needed23:17
teleshoesah, its a path issue23:17
teleshoespop PATH=$PATH:/usr/libexec/git-core in your profile or bashrc23:17
divanoh nice23:18
divanteleshoes, thanks a lot23:18
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DocScrutinizeropen!mode kernel 1.2 pending publication23:20
teleshoesive heard that you dont need to patch the kernel to get openmode in PR1.223:21
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DocScrutinizeropenmode is easy, just toggle a bit23:21
teleshoesthat harmattan honors the trusted bit23:22
DocScrutinizeropen!mode though is a bit different23:22
teleshoesthought you were just excited23:22
teleshoeswhats open!mode?23:22
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itsnotabigtruckteleshoes: most people using open mode expect the hacktified behavior delivered by doc's kernel modification23:22
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DocScrutinizerthe patched openmode kernel that always returns OK on any aegis call23:22
itsnotabigtruckbtw DocScrutinizer: instead of patching aegis like that, consider perhaps instead removing the verification of validator-init23:23
DocScrutinizerit's not my kernel modification23:23
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itsnotabigtruckthen patching validator-init to not seal/enforce aegis23:23
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itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer: close enough, it's your kernel build anyway23:23
itsnotabigtruckoh ok23:24
itsnotabigtruckin any case, disabling aegis from the start seems like a more elegant mode of operation23:24
itsnotabigtruckteleshoes: an anonymous benefactor23:24
itsnotabigtruckor, actually, putting aegis into permissive mode23:24
itsnotabigtruckdisabling aegis will break things23:24
Corsacso what's open!mode then?23:25
Corsacopen is starting to be a little confusing :)23:25
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itsnotabigtruckCorsac: doc's name for a kernel with nulled-out aegis permission checks23:25
DocScrutinizeractually with aegis permission checks that always return OK - well I already said that like 5 lines above23:26
teleshoesopenmode is like what you got here for PR1.1:
teleshoesopen!mode is like what you got here for PR1.1:
DocScrutinizerexactly, and the patched one is where I've put the open!mode kernel23:27
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer: also, that last part in the open-hack-patch, that enables all capabilities for root23:28
itsnotabigtruckthe "proper" way to do that is that there's a securebits flag that governs whether becoming root grants all capabilities23:28
DocScrutinizerand I wonder if I shall create now, or better rename the whole mess23:28
itsnotabigtruckaegis sets that flag and locks it on23:28
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divanand what does inception tool then?
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teleshoesi think keeping it the same has some advantages23:29
itsnotabigtruckso it might be desirable instead to e.g. not mess with cap_capable, and instead add a new bit to the aegis securityfs stuff that overrides that23:29
itsnotabigtruckwhich will keep the linux capability system operating normally23:29
DocScrutinizerit's an exploit of a security vulnerability in normal mode aegis, that will not work with next update23:29
jussiHrm, Ive got duplicate icons on my newly upgraded pr1.2 n9. any ideas?23:29
itsnotabigtruckdivan: it's most of the benefits of "open mode", but you can install it in 5 mins without erasing any data23:30
itsnotabigtruckand uninstall it just the same23:30
teleshoesplus inception has, from what i understand, no BigScaryWarning23:31
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teleshoesDocScrutinizer is there a link to the patch from the anonymous benefactor?23:32
DocScrutinizerwhich it should, as it actually introduces an attack vector that compromises *all* N9, also those of users that love the 'security' aegis provides23:32
DocScrutinizerteleshoes: they are all in this very dir23:32
DocScrutinizerexcept the "magic one-line patch"23:33
teleshoesyea, whats that?23:33
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer: it's not like i /created/ the vulnerability23:33
DocScrutinizerI heard it's been bombed with hints on wich line to comment out on all the forums23:33
itsnotabigtruckand your open mode kernel arrangement completely breaks aegis23:34
DocScrutinizeritsnotabigtruck: so what?23:34
itsnotabigtruckthough aegis already neutralizes itself, sort of, merely by booting into open mode, so i suppose it's a moot point23:34
DocScrutinizercan any malware exploit it?23:34
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer: of course...on the other hand, such malware is unlikely to ever actually exist23:35
DocScrutinizeropenmode kernel (and open!mode kernel) are *supported* by Nokia23:35
teleshoesopen!mode is??23:35
itsnotabigtruckbut assuming there's skilled developers building malware, they'd have been explotiing things like what INCEPTION does from...inception23:35
CissWitDocScrutinizer: so i get support if i install open!mode and that it crashes my phone ?23:35
itsnotabigtruckthere's a multitude of ways to go from zero permission to all permission in aegis - inception utilizes one of them23:36
DocScrutinizerit's guaranteed not to crash your phone, and it's guaranteed NOT to get nuked by Nokia on next upgrade. this other "tool" is guaranteed to cease to work at latest with next OS upgrade23:37
DocScrutinizerprobably sooner23:37
teleshoesit probably will, but its not guaranteed to23:37
DocScrutinizerbelieve me, it is23:37
itsnotabigtrucki'll never understand how you get so emotional about this23:38
CissWitDocScrutinizer: there somethinig else you told earlier that surprised me. You said you've been knowing about the vulnerability used by inception for long23:38
CissWitdid you report it to nokia ? How long ago ?23:38
DocScrutinizeras much as Nokia internals can guarantee anything about what the company will do23:38
teleshoesits a pretty glaring hole23:38
DocScrutinizerCissWit: WUT?23:38
CissWitDocScrutinizer: ?23:39
jussibah, no one has duplicate icons?23:39
teleshoesi do!23:39
DocScrutinizerwe don't report anything to Nokia23:39
teleshoesin pr1.1 all the time23:39
jussiteleshoes: its pr1.2 :/23:39
teleshoesi know23:39
teleshoesso i cant help you yet23:39
DocScrutinizeritsnotabigtruck implicitly did23:39
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer: instead of getting all angry about this, the obvious thing to do on your part is make open mode the best it can be23:39
CissWitDocScrutinizer: and that's much better than doing nothing23:40
itsnotabigtruckwhich includes making the kernel patch a bit more elegant23:40
jussiteleshoes: :/ :(23:40
itsnotabigtruckand promote detailed and accurate instructions for deploying it23:40
DocScrutinizerCissWit: you're trying to pester me, do you?23:40
CissWitno, i don't understand your point about all this inception thing23:40
itsnotabigtruckmaybe make an automated utility for installing open mode on a user's phone23:40
teleshoeshey hey, itsnotabigtruck did us TWO services by making inception23:41
CissWitwhat you say is that it will get broken on next update23:41
teleshoesfirst, we can now get around aegis for awhile in a nice way23:41
DocScrutinizerbecause that's what I hear from Nokia23:41
CissWitgreat, a vulnerability will be corrected, making the security brought by aegis a little more reliable23:41
teleshoesand second, nokia is much more liekly to fix a bad hole23:41
teleshoesDocScrutinizer: is a nokia dev the anonymous benefactor of the open!mode kernel?23:42
CissWitbut you said you ve been knowing the vulns for long, and what ? You just did nothing ? That'e what you think is better than releasing a working exploit ?23:42
DocScrutinizerteleshoes: well, you can put it this way, yes23:42
DocScrutinizerCissWit: are you a whitehat?23:42
CissWitkind of23:42
DocScrutinizerare you a developer?23:43
CissWitkind of23:43
CissWiti'm more a n9 user there23:43
DocScrutinizerare you contributing ANYTHING to this whole mess?23:43
CissWitconcerned with the security of his phone23:43
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DocScrutinizerok, so please shut up or move to #n923:43
itsnotabigtruckmaybe we all need to take a break23:44
CissWiti can develop a working exploit to if it gives me the privilege to talk to you.23:44
itsnotabigtruckthis is getting worse by the minute23:44
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: sorry I'm leaving. Madness shit hits the fan again here23:45
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CissWitDocScrutinizer: i was just acurious about what you said23:45
CissWiti was not trying to "pester you"23:45
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DocScrutinizerthey now love to accuse us for not publishing the aegis exploits23:45
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CissWiti really don't understand your point there, but i'd like to.23:46
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javispedroCissWit: it is simple. I did not want this platform to attract a bunch of android/iphone mindset wannabe crackers23:46
javispedrothis is supposed to be something "better"23:46
teleshoesthis hole totally nullifies aegis23:47
teleshoesthe interpreter one23:47
javispedrountil the next PR23:47
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teleshoesi see, nokia has known about it forever23:48
teleshoesno need to pub it; they were already working on patching it23:48
javispedroI would not even put my finger on whether a new release will EVER happen23:49
teleshoesthose asshats, closing the trakker23:49
javispedrobut in any way the last time I published a hole it was promptly fixed and triggered a rage rant from me23:49
teleshoesoh right!23:49
teleshoesi remember that23:49
javispedrosince then I publicly decided not to publish any new holes23:49
javispedroand we've using them to e.g. explore the contents of the crypto stuff to duplicate it for open mode23:49
itsnotabigtruckjavispedro: well, i'm pretty sure they shut down the tracker due to a freeze on pr1.3, which has been in development for a while23:50
teleshoesyea, its likely there will be one more release23:50
CissWitjavispedro: ok23:50
Corsacshut down the tracker?23:51
teleshoesthe bug tracker23:51
teleshoesthis morning23:51
teleshoesno more new bugs23:51
itsnotabigtruckCorsac: the bug tracker, it's now read-only23:51
CissWitjavispedro: that make things clearer to me, thx.23:51
javispedroI would not put my finger on it ever being reopened either :P23:54
teleshoesyea no23:54
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itsnotabigtruckyeah, that idea is wishful thinking on the part of some TMO people23:54
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teleshoescompletely understandable wishful thinking23:55
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teleshoeshey, so if you need an aegis hole to make the open kernel, why do i see everyone promising that there will always be an open kernel?23:58
javispedroyou do not a hole23:59
javispedro*need a hole23:59
itsnotabigtruckteleshoes: you don't...i think javispedro was talking about r/eing the aegis crypto system23:59
javispedroI was saying that we've been using them to investigate how stuff works23:59
itsnotabigtruckwhich you don't even really need a ryunning system in order to do...23:59

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