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| blueslee | ~update | 00:15 |
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| infobot | update is, like, http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2012/01/25/harmattan-1.2-beta-now-available-as-ocf-for-nokia-n950 | 00:15 |
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| gabriel9 | guys here is one wallper which i fix for N9 | 00:42 |
| gabriel9 | https://picasaweb.google.com/106083253939937812176/DropBox?authkey=Gv1sRgCOfntumIgr2vJw#5716546512977600450 | 00:42 |
| rZr | redak just hit app4meego store can you double check ? | 00:42 |
| gabriel9 | i cant see redak | 00:46 |
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| rZr | testing mode should be enabled i guess | 00:48 |
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| ZogG_laptop | rzr not there | 00:52 |
| rZr | http://apps.formeego.org/staging/applications/n9/pr1.0/harmattan/Utilities/redak/ | 00:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr checking from client with testing enabled | 00:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | rZr: lol, search found it though | 00:54 |
| rZr | thx guys | 00:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | rZr: so it's there | 00:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | 5 stars already ? =) | 00:55 |
| rZr | was testing my account :) | 00:55 |
| gabriel9 | when will redak be aviable? | 00:55 |
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| rZr | once it gets 42 stars | 00:56 |
| gabriel9 | :D | 00:56 |
| gabriel9 | damn this site, i cant download any app | 00:56 |
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| ZogG_laptop | gabriel9: which one? | 00:56 |
| gabriel9 | apps for meego | 00:56 |
| gabriel9 | ok i know it is for meego | 00:57 |
| gabriel9 | but links should worl | 00:57 |
| gabriel9 | work | 00:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | gabriel9: install client for it | 00:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's for n9 | 00:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | as well | 00:57 |
| gabriel9 | is it safe? :) | 00:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | rZr: search shows it, though on recent tab can't see it | 00:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | rZr: hm, the icon is wierd | 00:58 |
| rZr | well i have to go i'll check tomorow | 00:58 |
| gabriel9 | why can't i download it on my Arch? | 00:58 |
| gabriel9 | and then copy on N9 and then install :) | 00:58 |
| rZr | ZogG_laptop: that icon lol i did use inkscape while on lsd :) | 00:58 |
| gabriel9 | don't use LSD, i know dude which go crazy becouse of it X/ | 00:59 |
| rZr | i am not, dont need some, see my icons :-) | 01:00 |
| rZr | bybye thx for testing | 01:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | installed | 01:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | workibg | 01:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | bye | 01:01 |
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| mtd | argh - where is the fenix / message store on disk? I need to delete some mails... | 02:18 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | anyone on? | 03:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also rzr: nice, re redak | 03:20 |
| djszapi | anyone on -> again, no :) | 03:36 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: it's 2:47! sleep! :p | 03:45 |
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| befr0d | lol | 03:46 |
| befr0d | hi itsnotabigtruck, djszapi | 03:46 |
| djszapi | just woke up | 03:46 |
| djszapi | so no real reasons to sleep :) | 03:46 |
| * djszapi is off to the airport soon for this PA sprint | 03:46 | |
| befr0d | good luck | 03:47 |
| befr0d | bring me something | 03:47 |
| befr0d | :d | 03:47 |
| befr0d | xD | 03:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: ah | 03:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | have a good time then | 03:47 |
| ieatlint | your public appearance sprint? | 03:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: plasma active, probably | 03:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 03:47 |
| ieatlint | aww... was hoping for a personalized autograph | 03:47 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: no, pants accessibility... | 03:48 |
| ieatlint | ah.. yes, i hear pants can be challenging | 03:48 |
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| djszapi | ieatlint: need to go there and tell them harmattan is the future xD | 03:53 |
| djszapi | the alive end phone. | 03:53 |
| ieatlint | i'm sure | 03:53 |
| ieatlint | everything i hear tells me that nokia is just doing a massive troll with windows phone | 03:53 |
| ieatlint | and they're about to launch a dozen harmattan based phones, all without aegis | 03:54 |
| djszapi | :) | 03:54 |
| SpeedEvil | And with hardware 104 key keyboards. | 03:55 |
| ieatlint | yeah, and cpus that can actually rival their android counterparts | 03:55 |
| * djszapi is in Android project since yesterday | 03:55 | |
| ieatlint | just keep telling yourself it could be worse | 03:56 |
| ieatlint | and enjoy the java | 03:56 |
| djszapi | it is the C/C++ layer where I am. | 03:56 |
| ieatlint | ah, i see then | 03:57 |
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| djszapi | beford: yeah, a spark would be nice | 04:03 |
| djszapi | http://faq.ebookers.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/11839/kw/online%20check%20in/p/273/r_id/113699?oe_id=PFYT&WT.dcsvid=197759691&WT.mc_ev=emailclick&strf=Ops-Email&WT.tsrc=Ops -> does it work for anybody ? | 04:13 |
| djszapi | seems they do not wanna me to check in online. | 04:13 |
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| befr0d | permission denied | 04:14 |
| djszapi | damn aegis !!! | 04:14 |
| befr0d | xD | 04:14 |
| ieatlint | yeah, i installed aegis on my laptop, and now it won't even boot | 04:14 |
| ieatlint | it's pretty shitty | 04:14 |
| djszapi | haha | 04:15 |
| djszapi | good to hear there are ports. | 04:15 |
| ieatlint | is ok, i managed to disable bb5 on my phone and remove aegis at least | 04:18 |
| djszapi | probably an app in ovi passed the qa ? | 04:18 |
| djszapi | befr0d: I might need your help with testing my command line argument parser for Qt5. | 04:30 |
| djszapi | on Mac, that is. | 04:30 |
| befr0d | okas | 04:31 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | >>>>>>> https://endno.de/~itsnotabigtruck/inception/ <<<<<<< | 08:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's here, and it works | 08:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | everyone is invited to #inception to talk about incepting things | 08:27 |
| befr0d | y u talk when nobody is on | 08:35 |
| befr0d | nice css | 08:37 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | befr0d: i was aiming for everyone to notice it when they wake up, or reddit at work, or whatnot, in the EU | 08:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | speaking of that, any chance you could upvote the reddit post: http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/new/ | 08:47 |
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| befr0d | dont have an account, let me register it | 08:48 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | itsnotabigtruck, it would be nice if the inception site explained how it works | 09:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon_: it's open source :D | 09:06 |
| Sazpaimon_ | however, I can figure it out just by looking at the source | 09:06 |
| Sazpaimon_ | I'm more or less referring to a layman's perspective | 09:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also tmo thread > http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82835 | 09:06 |
| Sazpaimon_ | also since I just finished saints row 3 again, I would rather reccomend this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBwS66EBUcY | 09:08 |
| Sazpaimon_ | just sayin | 09:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 09:10 |
| qronic | itsnotabigtruck, does it use some kind of kernel vuln? | 09:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | qronic: nein | 09:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also qronic Sazpaimon_: get in #inception while you incept! :D | 09:13 |
| Sazpaimon_ | I actually might not run inception | 09:14 |
| Sazpaimon_ | unless a time comes when I need full root | 09:14 |
| Sazpaimon_ | there isn't right now, though | 09:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, it doesn't have any effect, negative or otherwise, if you don't install anything through it, and then it's ready when you need it | 09:15 |
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| qronic | just noticed that pressing hold on the message in SMS list makes it darker when menu pops up [PR1.2] | 10:25 |
| petteri | itsnotabigtruck: seems nice! | 10:28 |
| petteri | but, hopefully it will not fragment the community | 10:29 |
| leinir | qronic: Yes? :) | 10:34 |
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| qronic | leinir, I mean messages in the list from the same sender, on PR1.1 it didn't | 10:35 |
| leinir | Aah :) | 10:35 |
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| spenap | djszapi: had a notification in the backlog about a QML issue | 10:54 |
| spenap | what was it? | 10:54 |
| spenap | did you fix it already? | 10:54 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | petteri: yeah, that's a real risk - hard to avoid though | 12:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | spenap leinir: get incepted! | 12:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | :D | 12:21 |
| petteri | maybe i need another n9 to get incepted then | 12:21 |
| petteri | maybe a white one :P | 12:21 |
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| Anssi138 | snow white. | 12:32 |
| Anssi138 | own 'lumia' | 12:32 |
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| Jeffrey04 | ~update | 12:36 |
| infobot | rumour has it, update is http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2012/01/25/harmattan-1.2-beta-now-available-as-ocf-for-nokia-n950 | 12:36 |
| Jeffrey04 | ~aegis-no-thanks | 12:36 |
| infobot | rumour has it, aegis-no-thanks is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ | 12:36 |
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| pa | itsnotabigtruck, are you there? im trying to flash to 1.2 finally, but when i plug usb, what mode should i put N9 in? | 12:57 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | pa: hey | 12:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no mode, you should have it powered off when you plug usb in | 12:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm assuming you're using flasher | 12:59 |
| pa | ah thats why :) | 12:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you're using NSU, have it in sync and connect mode | 12:59 |
| pa | yes | 12:59 |
| pa | flasher | 12:59 |
| pa | turning it off | 13:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also it's important you turn it off while it's not on usb | 13:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then wait for the light to go out | 13:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (if you turned it off on usb, unplug it and wait a while) | 13:00 |
| pa | ok, i plugged in while off now, it shows up the battery icon, but flasher is still waiting | 13:03 |
| pa | now it goes | 13:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what are some cool applications that were easy on maemo5, but are difficult on harmattan due to insufficient access | 13:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | general notice: "shutting off" while plugged to USB is NOT AT ALL shutting off, it really simply changes to another init state (in sysV init speak), commonly known as ACT_DEAD | 13:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | more generally i need to figure out a less technical description of things INCEPTION makes possible | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | on HARM even your wlan SSH logins will survive this | 13:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer51: well, i was talking about "shutting off" from the user's perspective | 13:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so when RAMloading a kernel, the device seems to be 'off' but actually just is ACT_DEADing (unless you unplug from USB!) - so simply 'shut on' device after RAMloading kernel via flasher, DO NOT unplug from USB! | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | if you however want to shutoff, ALWAYS unplug | 13:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer51: where's that page with a list of ideas for things that would be possible, except for insufficient aegis permissions | 13:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it had things like system-wide torification and so on | 13:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | somewhere on wiki iirc | 13:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah but i can't find it | 13:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | search for javispedro's contributions | 13:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer51: got any sound-bite ideas for things to do with inception or openmode or whatever | 13:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sorry, I'm on n900 | 13:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i already made a list on the inception page but it's probably a bit too technical | 13:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | just lurking a bit during lunchbreak | 13:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | consider me afk | 13:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://wiki.meego.com/User:Javispedro/Activities_blocked_by_the_N9_and_N950_security_policy | 13:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | found the list | 13:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | good | 13:29 |
| denism | "A Community SSU would be impossible." - works fine for me | 13:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | please teach infobot about ~aegis-forbids | 13:30 |
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| khertan | Morning | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~aegis-forbids is http://wiki.meego.com/User:Javispedro/Activities_blocked_by_the_N9_and_N950_security_policy | 13:32 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer51 | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~aegis-blocks is <reply>see aegis-forbids | 13:33 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer51: okay | 13:33 |
| khertan | it s me or gitorious isn't working well despite their status.gitorious.org is ok | 13:33 |
| khertan | git clone http://git.gitorious.org/khweeteur/khweeteur.git give nothing | 13:34 |
| khertan | seems working now | 13:34 |
| khertan | strange | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~aegis-blocks | 13:34 |
| infobot | methinks aegis-forbids is http://wiki.meego.com/User:Javispedro/Activities_blocked_by_the_N9_and_N950_security_policy | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~listkeys aegis | 13:35 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'aegis' by key (9): paegis ;; aegis-forbids ;; aegis-blocks ;; aegis #DEL# ;; no-aegis ;; aegis-old ;; aegis-doc ;; aegis-no-thanks ;; aegis. | 13:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | khertan: get incepted! :D | 13:36 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 waves and heads out for ending lunchbreak | 13:36 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | https://endno.de/~itsnotabigtruck/inception/ | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~literal paegis | 13:37 |
| infobot | "paegis" is "the ~aegis policy, a short term used to make those happy who claim aegis is great and just the particular policy is flawed" | 13:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer51: then start writing a program that disables aegis through inception | 13:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | reconfiguring the policy is a launchpad for whatever you want | 13:39 |
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| pa | cool it worked | 13:49 |
| pa | it looks a little bit more sluggish tho | 13:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://blog.gsmarena.com/nokia-n9-gets-rooted-with-the-just-released-inception-tool/ | 13:50 |
| * dm8tbr rooted his harmattan devices by pushing the included 'developer mode' buttons... | 13:53 | |
| * dm8tbr shrugs | 13:53 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://www.reddit.com/r/gadgets/comments/qju0s/nokia_n9_finally_rooted_inception_01_just_released/ | 13:54 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | looks like i'm at the top of /r/gadgets (though that's a small subreddit) | 13:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | dm8tbr: eh, i'm calling it rooted because that seemed like the most recognizable and appropriate term | 13:55 |
| pa | by the way, how do i change the default lock screen (water drops) with something black? | 13:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | after all, root = all capabilities, and developer mode doesn't give you that | 13:55 |
| dm8tbr | itsnotabigtruck: suite yourself *shrug* | 13:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | dev mode is more like half-root | 13:55 |
| dm8tbr | I can check my uid and I'm root. that's root, yes root. what you did (whatever it was, didn't check) was obviously something very different. | 13:56 |
| pa | itsnotabigtruck, have you done it already? | 13:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pa: it = ? | 13:57 |
| pa | rooting | 13:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pa: not quite sure what you mean...i just published a program for rooting the n9 | 13:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so one would imagine i'd have already used it :p | 13:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and now that you've reflashed your N9, now's the time to load it up! | 14:00 |
| qronic | I'd call it jailbreak ) | 14:00 |
| pa | ah you made it! | 14:01 |
| pa | didnt get that part :) | 14:01 |
| pa | btw as soon as i have some time, i'll write the app to sync google contacts w groups | 14:02 |
| pa | i checked the samples, and it look reasonably straightforward | 14:02 |
| pa | (using google api) | 14:02 |
| * pa has to finish his slides now.. :'( | 14:03 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw kiitos, to whoever donated | 14:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (not sure if it's anyone here or not) | 14:05 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | qronic: but the iphone people have a pretty firm stake on that | 14:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also iphone jailbreaks tend to be complicated and irreversible | 14:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | with apple having raised the stakes so high with all the back-and-forth | 14:11 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | https://twitter.com/#!/itsnotabigtruck/status/177004362751676416 finally tweeted it | 14:20 |
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| javispedro | finally got and uploaded harm pr1.2 sources... | 14:36 |
| javispedro | http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/harm/srcs/ | 14:36 |
| javispedro | please be kind on the server | 14:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: two point seven jiggabytes! | 14:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | awesome, thanks for uploading | 14:37 |
| javispedro | same as the previous one | 14:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: is there a bandwidth quota on that server | 14:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | better put it up on some file hosting services or something that can take the hit | 14:41 |
| javispedro | in theory, not, in practice, maybe | 14:41 |
| javispedro | I was hoping someone else could mirror it | 14:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://bayfiles.com/ how about uploading onto that | 14:41 |
| javispedro | oh well, I can try | 14:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | man, this is fast throughput though, i'm getting 2 MB/s right now | 14:44 |
| javispedro | bayfiles cuts me off after uploading around 400 MiB | 14:45 |
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| javispedro | seems they have some kind of misconfigured rate limit | 14:46 |
| Corsac | javispedro: you asked for a cd again? | 14:46 |
| javispedro | no, this was the one I requested ages ago | 14:46 |
| Corsac | ok | 14:46 |
| Corsac | want a mirror? | 14:46 |
| javispedro | yeah, I'd appreciate :) | 14:47 |
| javispedro | it should be pr1.2, I only briefly checked the kernel package and it seems to work | 14:47 |
| javispedro | s/work/match/ | 14:47 |
| infobot | javispedro meant: it should be pr1.2, I only briefly checked the kernel package and it seems to match | 14:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: strange, what good is a 5 GB maximum if you can't upload that much | 14:48 |
| Corsac | hnmh, is 7MB/s “beeing nice to the server”? | 14:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also man, haven't seen you on IRC in a while | 14:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | this source code release is great timing with INCEPTION having been launched today | 14:48 |
| javispedro | inception? | 14:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | = time to make kernel modules | 14:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | https://endno.de/~itsnotabigtruck/inception/ | 14:49 |
| javispedro | ... | 14:49 |
| javispedro | flashy graphics | 14:49 |
| javispedro | is that another aegis crack? | 14:49 |
| javispedro | nokia has been so far quite throughput in blocking all cracks in each aegis revision | 14:50 |
| javispedro | *through | 14:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: let me take care of that part :) | 14:50 |
| javispedro | which is the reason the "official" open mode kernel should be promoted | 14:50 |
| javispedro | rembember that my goal was to avoid exactly THIS to happen | 14:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | promoting the "'official' open mode kernel" is why there's been near-zero development of open mode apps | 14:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you can't have apps if you don't have users | 14:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | this is the way forward | 14:51 |
| javispedro | no, it is the way downwards, to the android way | 14:51 |
| Corsac | hmhm, I missed that “open mode kernel” announcement | 14:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | sometimes downward is the only way forward | 14:52 |
| javispedro | Corsac, there hasn't been any since PR1.2 because of the missing sources | 14:52 |
| javispedro | itsnotabigtruck, I disagree | 14:52 |
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| javispedro | but then, that this is happening is half of the reason I'm being pushed away and more away from the platform | 14:52 |
| Corsac | javispedro: hmhm, so how official was it? | 14:52 |
| javispedro | Corsac, in that they're not actively blocking it | 14:53 |
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| javispedro | or trying to block it... | 14:54 |
| javispedro | well, g2g. | 14:54 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Corsac: the "open mode kernel" is not official at all | 14:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | however, the open mode facility itself is, sort of | 14:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nokia doesn't promote it at all, but they did implement it | 14:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | enabling open mode basically lets you do the same thing INCEPTION does, but you have to completely reset your phone in the process to turn it on or off | 14:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it also displays a very ominous warning every time you power it on telling you that the warranty has been voided for all eternity and it's not nokia's fault if you cause your phone to catch fire | 14:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | as you can tell i don't really like that particular route :p however, it's good that they implemented it | 14:57 |
| denism | rigo: sorry have partially missed the discussion. What is going on with Settings - Applications - Manage applications, click on Facebook in the list and "Uninstall" - what will be removed in this case? Isn't what do you need? | 14:58 |
| rigo | denism, if you "uninstall" the facebook application, you more or less "uninstall" your entire system as a matter of automatic dependencies | 14:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | denism: if you try to do that, it won't let you | 14:59 |
| rigo | so the conclusion was that the best thing one could do is just to ignore the application and not doing anything as you risk that ovi store or updates will not work again | 14:59 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | but if you force it from the command line, what rigo said | 15:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's possible to hack around it, but it's inadvisable unless it's really necessary | 15:00 |
| rigo | itsnotabigtruck, trouble is, in devel-mode it will let you and you have bricked your phone :( | 15:00 |
| denism | itsnotabigtruck: ok I see now, useless 'uninstall' here. I have uninstalled AP Mobile successfully :) | 15:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 101 downloads of inception! | 15:01 |
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| petteri | i only downloaded the source! | 15:20 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | petteri: i'm only counting .deb downloads | 15:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | now go download the deb! :D | 15:22 |
| rigo | itsnotabigtruck, which soft? | 15:22 |
| * rigo is curious | 15:22 | |
| khertan | (hihi i ve looked at the source and the deb ... but without installing it :) | 15:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rigo: the news of the day: https://endno.de/~itsnotabigtruck/inception/ | 15:22 |
| petteri | i think you should track source downloads from nokia.com | 15:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 15:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no doubt there's been more than a couple | 15:24 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | nice, this time the .diff.gz files are there like they're supposed to be | 15:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (the pr1.1 sources iso was missing important things) | 15:28 |
| rigo | => twitter, watch the stats ;) | 15:28 |
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| gabriel9|work | great tool inceptio | 15:42 |
| gabriel9|work | n | 15:42 |
| marsje | oh, sounds interesting this inception | 15:47 |
| khertan | git push origin2 master | 15:48 |
| khertan | oups ... wrong windows | 15:48 |
| khertan | :: | 15:48 |
| khertan | :) | 15:48 |
| faenil | lol | 15:48 |
| khertan | terminator xterm is great for splitting terminal but ... paste require more attention :) | 15:49 |
| marsje | whenever I have multiple chats next to each other on the screen it goes wrong | 15:50 |
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| marsje | so I don't do that anymore | 15:51 |
| Jaffa | itsnotabigtruck: BTW, how does Inception work? | 16:02 |
| Jaffa | .../what is it doing? | 16:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Jaffa: well, you can read the source code | 16:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it goes multiple levels deep, hence the name :) | 16:04 |
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| sivang | re all! | 16:05 |
| sivang | ~aegis-no-thanks | 16:05 |
| infobot | aegis-no-thanks is probably http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ | 16:05 |
| marsje | itsnotabigtruck: I think you should start thinking about a FAQ page :) | 16:06 |
| sivang | ? | 16:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | sivang: get incepted! | 16:06 |
| sivang | hmm, should i? | 16:07 |
| sivang | sivang: by what? | 16:07 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | marsje: yeah...though it's hard to make documentation that's both thorough and enjoyable for the reader | 16:07 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | and it's not enjoyable to make enjoyable documentation | 16:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | :p | 16:07 |
| * sivang wonders if there's any event up coming for N9 and 950 developers.. | 16:08 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | sivang: did you just highlight yourself? :p | 16:08 |
| sivang | itsnotabigtruck: I was not aware I could do that. | 16:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 48 thankses on TMO so far | 16:09 |
| faenil | itsnotabigtruck, I've read something about you lately | 16:10 |
| faenil | what is it about and where can I know more? | 16:10 |
| marsje | itsnotabigtruck: you are right... it's a balance what is less enjoyable, asnwering the same questions every time or writing them down once :) | 16:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | faenil: probably this: https://endno.de/~itsnotabigtruck/inception | 16:10 |
| Jaffa | itsnotabigtruck: Ah, didn't see the source link | 16:10 |
| faenil | eheheh | 16:10 |
| marsje | itsnotabigtruck: so if I understand correctly, with inception I can install openvpn and mount my server's share using sshfs? | 16:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | marsje: for sshfs, if you can get it installed, you should be able to use it | 16:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | openvpn will require a bit more work | 16:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the list of items on the page is more about what's possible, not what's available right now | 16:12 |
| khertan | yep require nat kern mod | 16:12 |
| marsje | aaah | 16:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and fortunately, the kernel source for 1.2 was just released today | 16:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, actually, the dvd arrived at javispedro's today | 16:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's now available starting today, which is perfect timing | 16:12 |
| marsje | quite fast :) | 16:12 |
| Jaffa | itsnotabigtruck: javispedro's put the tarball online already | 16:12 |
| marsje | why don't they just put the sources online | 16:13 |
| faenil | itsnotabigtruck, seems nice :P reading | 16:13 |
| marsje | afraid competitors might steal an abandoned platform? | 16:13 |
| khertan | so it's not stealing :) | 16:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Jaffa: yeah, that's what i was trying to say | 16:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw if everyone could submit this to the tech blogs (engadget, slashgear, the verge, etc.) that would be awesome | 16:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i already did so but more = better | 16:14 |
| javispedro | why? | 16:15 |
| javispedro | do you want it fixed even more urgently? | 16:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: it's out, it's going to be fixed no matter what | 16:15 |
| sivang | oh, so inception is yet a cool new thingo for N950 | 16:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and then i'll fix INCEPTION | 16:16 |
| faenil | javispedro, hey! long time no chat :) | 16:16 |
| sivang | nice! | 16:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in the meantime, i want everyone and their dog getting incepted :p | 16:16 |
| javispedro | and you'll get into the cat and mouse game | 16:16 |
| faenil | javispedro, any alternative? | 16:16 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: sounds better than doing nothing and whining about aegis on forums | 16:16 |
| * javispedro sighs | 16:17 | |
| javispedro | I know of a shitload of multiple aegis bugs | 16:17 |
| khertan | yeah ... but do not claim to much have breaking it ... as else ... they will probably lock it more | 16:17 |
| * sivang never really got the problem with aegis, but oh well , he just plays with location based stuff and data collection and analysis apps :) | 16:17 | |
| javispedro | and if you remember that rant I said that I think that starting this race is NOT the way I think things should go | 16:18 |
| khertan | sivang: try to play with openvpn :) | 16:18 |
| sivang | khertan: right, so incepted is suffering from aegis? | 16:18 |
| sivang | khertan: I never really needed it, I just ssh or sftp for my stuff | 16:18 |
| sivang | khertan: always worked | 16:18 |
| faenil | javispedro, I remember your post...but it seems nothing changed much since then... | 16:18 |
| faenil | javispedro, what's your plan? | 16:19 |
| khertan | sivang: yeah but in france some isp suck so much that you need a vpn | 16:19 |
| javispedro | faenil, well, there's sources now for another openmode kernel... | 16:19 |
| faenil | javispedro, but irrc openmode had some problems with certificates or don't know what | 16:20 |
| sivang | khertan: for 3G?? | 16:20 |
| faenil | javispedro, there were things not working correctly irrc | 16:20 |
| javispedro | I've not even been able to try them in pr1.2 | 16:20 |
| faenil | I meant in 1.1 :) | 16:21 |
| khertan | sivang: yep | 16:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that was quick, someone posted about inception on the official nokia forum and it's already deleted | 16:21 |
| khertan | sivang: sfr for example have only port 80 or 443 open ... | 16:21 |
| khertan | itsnotabigtruck: normal | 16:22 |
| sivang | khertan: crazy... | 16:22 |
| sivang | seriously, this is crazy | 16:22 |
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| khertan | sivang: yep ... sfr ... | 16:26 |
| khertan | same with other phone isp | 16:26 |
| khertan | unlimited... until you reach the limit of xxMo and unlimited acess .. if you use only port 80 | 16:26 |
| khertan | :) | 16:26 |
| rigo | khertan, I'm on SFR and they have port 22 open and that means they have lost | 16:27 |
| djszapi | spenap: yep, do you have any ideas for that ? | 16:27 |
| rigo | itsnotabigtruck, you should really put big disclaimers around inception. Did they really remove your post on the forum? Perhaps there is a rule that disallows advertisement for apps on the forum.. | 16:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rigo: it wasn't my post | 16:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm not at all surprised it was removed, that being the official nokia support forum | 16:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and i have put big disclaimers around inception | 16:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | both on the download site and in the enabler script itself | 16:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and in order to get to the enabler script, the user has to acknowledge 3 different warnings from nokia | 16:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (enable unsigned warning, install unsigned warning, dev mode warning) | 16:34 |
| arekinath | it's not exactly a safari exploit to root your phone in one click | 16:35 |
| khertan | rigo: ? sfr on 3G ? | 16:36 |
| khertan | rigo: and you have port 22 open ? | 16:36 |
| djszapi | sivang: hey man :) | 16:36 |
| djszapi | from darmstadt :p | 16:36 |
| khertan | rigo: which ap port did you use ? in which country? | 16:36 |
| khertan | rigo: s/ap port/ap name | 16:37 |
| rigo | SFR is FR and have always used my N9 to provide a hotspot for my laptop | 16:37 |
| rigo | and then I ssh into my networked machine and use socks proxies and tunneling for everything | 16:38 |
| khertan | yeah ... you use ssh tunneling via port 22 ... | 16:39 |
| khertan | but how did you do tunneling on n9 ? :) | 16:40 |
| rigo | developer mode installs openssh | 16:40 |
| rigo | and a terminal | 16:41 |
| rigo | and in the terminal, you do ssh -nNf target server target ports etc | 16:41 |
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| rigo | or you use the N9 hotspot and do the ssh from your laptop | 16:41 |
| spenap | djszapi: can you repeat the question? didn't find it in the backlog | 16:41 |
| khertan | rigo: yeah the problem is that i want the tunnel on the n9 :) not on the laptop that i didn't use :) | 16:51 |
| sivang | djszapi: hey there! | 16:54 |
| sivang | rigo++ | 16:54 |
| sivang | djszapi: dramstadt! fun | 16:54 |
| sivang | djszapi: what for? | 16:54 |
| djszapi | sivang: for a lot of fun, like the last DS, remember ? :) | 16:55 |
| sivang | djszapi: is there a meeting there I'm not aware of? | 16:55 |
| * sivang likes .de | 16:56 | |
| djszapi | https://sprints.kde.org/sprint/80 | 16:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | newsflash: apparently the flash player just arrived | 16:57 |
| sivang | djszapi: ah, plasma active love | 16:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | inception, pr1.2 sources, and flash all on the same day, hah | 16:57 |
| sivang | djszapi: if only I resided in eu... | 16:57 |
| Iktwo | itsnotabigtruck: can't install it | 16:57 |
| Iktwo | :( | 16:58 |
| rigo | khertan, from the N9 you use the terminal to ssh and you use opera and configure the socks proxy in there | 16:58 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Iktwo: what do you mean? | 16:58 |
| rigo | be sure to use 127.0.0.1 as the proxy and not localhost. The latter hasn't worked for me, but I dunno why | 16:58 |
| Iktwo | I can't install flash, I get an error, I have firefox (from store) | 16:59 |
| * rigo should perhaps write the config down on homepage | 16:59 | |
| Iktwo | and I get an error "unable to trace dependencies" | 16:59 |
| rigo | Iktwo: this is actually a GREAT thing :) | 16:59 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | btw Iktwo: get incepted | 16:59 |
| rigo | no flash is a feature, not a bug :) | 16:59 |
| Iktwo | itsnotabigtruck: I'm about to :D | 17:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yay :) | 17:00 |
| rigo | come on, not for flash :-} | 17:00 |
| Tronic | Any apps for inception yet? | 17:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | long message incoming | 17:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.4), libcontentmanager0, libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libdbus-qeventloop1, libfontconfig1 (>= 2.8.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.4.8), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.3.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgstreamer0.10-0 (>= 0.10.34), libmeegotouchcore0, libmeegotouchextensions0, libmeegotouchsettings0, libpulse0 (>= 0.9.19), libqmsystem2, libqtcore4 (>= 4.7.4~git20110728-pr11), libqtgui4 (>= 4.7.4~git20110728-pr11), | 17:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | libresource0, libresourceqt1, libsaveas, libstdc++6 (>= 4.4.0), libtimed0 (>= 2.37), libx11-6 (>= 2:1.4.3-0-meego1241+0m6), libxext6 (>= 0), libxml2 (>= 2.6.27), libxt6, libcurl3 | 17:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | probably should have pastebinned that | 17:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, those are the flash player dependencies | 17:02 |
| Iktwo | thanks! | 17:03 |
| Iktwo | I guess I need to enable N9 repo | 17:03 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Tronic: well, opensh | 17:09 |
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| khertan | rigo: it s ok for opera, i know how to use tunneling ... but you cannot configure proxy for all apps | 17:13 |
| khertan | rigo: this is why tun/tap is needed as kernel module | 17:14 |
| khertan | rigo: and yes no flash is a feature | 17:14 |
| khertan | i agree | 17:14 |
| khertan | :) | 17:14 |
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| javispedro | tun is already on stock | 17:19 |
| javispedro | builtin even iirc | 17:19 |
| SpeedEvil | What's this about flash? | 17:23 |
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| qronic | hm, can't get flash playing | 17:27 |
| qronic | does it mentioned on Extension options screen in FF? | 17:27 |
| beford | I dont think so, try about:plugins | 17:27 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: supposedly mozilla licensed flash 11 for the n9 | 17:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 17:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | btw why didn't they mentioned that's only for ff? | 17:29 |
| qronic | beford, libflashplayer 10.1 is there | 17:29 |
| javispedro | it's the builtin browser the one that does not support npapi plugins | 17:29 |
| javispedro | probably, if you install another npapi based browser, the flash plugin will work (chromium?) | 17:30 |
| qronic | strangely vimeo.com doesn't see it | 17:30 |
| rigo | khertan, what apps do you need to invoke? I do not assume you want to do torrent on 3G ;) | 17:30 |
| beford | qronic, http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ try that | 17:30 |
| qronic | "you have flash ... installed" | 17:31 |
| qronic | strange | 17:31 |
| beford | ... ? xD | 17:31 |
| beford | weird yea | 17:31 |
| qronic | version 10.1.... blah-blah | 17:32 |
| qronic | youtube works, though | 17:32 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | [09:57] <itsnotabigtruck> newsflash: apparently the flash player just arrived | 17:41 |
| Sazpaimon_ | is it in the store? | 17:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon_: yeah | 17:42 |
| Sazpaimon_ | [10:02] <itsnotabigtruck> anyway, those are the flash player dependencies | 17:42 |
| Sazpaimon_ | no gles dependency? | 17:42 |
| Sazpaimon_ | thats not good | 17:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw if you guys could submit INCEPTION to tech blog sites i'd really appreciate it | 17:42 |
| Sazpaimon_ | can someone ldd the flash player library? | 17:43 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | make sure its being linked against gles | 17:43 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | i've already done so but i guess it hasn't shown up on the radar yet | 17:44 |
| Sazpaimon_ | itsnotabigtruck, did you call it a jailbreak? Thats the only way tech bloggers will understand it | 17:45 |
| mece | Sazpaimon_, I tried super mario world flash, it was slow. | 17:46 |
| rigo | ha, now my emial client is crashing every time I try to move to another folder | 17:46 |
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| rigo | Sazpaimon_, as there is no jail, hard to call it a "jailbreak" but also hard to sell "I have insecured my phone" :) | 17:47 |
| tehdely | how do i get flash ? | 17:48 |
| mece | tehdely, install firefox and flashplayer from ovi store | 17:48 |
| tehdely | oh it's on the store? righteous | 17:48 |
| mece | :) | 17:48 |
| tehdely | i've never been this happy to install Flash on anything (lol) | 17:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon_: i called it rooting the N9 | 17:49 |
| mece | it's quite nice IMO. Not that I actually have missed flash on my N950, but still nice that it came. | 17:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jailbreak is too heavily associated with the iphone | 17:49 |
| tehdely | there were a few sites where flash for Symbian came in handy | 17:49 |
| tehdely | so it's nice to have it on my N9 | 17:49 |
| khertan | rigo: email for example, but i don't want to change conf at home on wifi ... and in 3G :) | 17:49 |
| Sazpaimon_ | so where does libflashplayer.so get installed | 17:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon_: somewhere in opt | 17:49 |
| mece | hmm update to skype... I wonder. | 17:49 |
| khertan | how time does it takes to the cobs to put a package in the repository after building it ? | 17:50 |
| Sazpaimon_ | ldd says its compiled with libglesv2.so | 17:50 |
| mece | could someone with an N9 tell me what version their account-plugin-skype is? | 17:50 |
| Sazpaimon_ | so that's a relief | 17:50 |
| mece | N9 and pr1.2 | 17:50 |
| khertan | mine isn't still in the cobs repository 4 hours later | 17:50 |
| Sazpaimon_ | anyone want to try throwing this file on an N900? | 17:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | khertan: your repository, or apps for meego | 17:51 |
| Sazpaimon_ | its worth a try | 17:51 |
| tehdely | now can someone port openjdk :P | 17:51 |
| beford | openjdk is already working, not sure if released though | 17:51 |
| Sazpaimon_ | this is the most vanilla linux optimized flash player we can get | 17:51 |
| khertan | itsnotabigtruck: my repository ... | 17:52 |
| khertan | itsnotabigtruck: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=KhtSimpleText&project=home%3Akhertan&repository=Harmattan | 17:52 |
| Sazpaimon_ | oh wait | 17:52 |
| mece | here's the openjdk thread on fmc: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4012 | 17:52 |
| Sazpaimon_ | our libflashplayer is probably compiled for hardfp | 17:52 |
| Sazpaimon_ | so it wont work on fremantle | 17:52 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | oh well | 17:52 |
| tehdely | siiiiiick | 17:52 |
| tehdely | the one site where i need flash to work | 17:53 |
| tehdely | works :) | 17:53 |
| tehdely | swell map shows up on my phone: http://www.swellinfo.com/surf-forecast/ocean-beach-california.html | 17:53 |
| mece | nice :) | 17:53 |
| tehdely | ok my life is complete | 17:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | khertan: this one? https://build.pub.meego.com/package/binary?arch=armv7el&filename=khtsimpletext_0.0.5-2_armel.deb&package=KhtSimpleText&project=home%3Akhertan&repository=Harmattan | 17:53 |
| Sazpaimon_ | if anyone still wants to try it, please do and post results | 17:53 |
| Sazpaimon_ | otherwise I will | 17:53 |
| khertan | itsnotabigtruck: yep, should be in http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/khertan/Harmattan/ | 17:53 |
| khertan | itsnotabigtruck: but not | 17:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | khertan: nope | 17:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | er, maybe | 17:53 |
| beford | Sazpaimon_, freemangordon is asking for the deb to try it on freemantle | 17:53 |
| beford | fremantle* | 17:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | beford: you can download .debs for free apps by sticking /download after the content id | 17:54 |
| Sazpaimon_ | beford, I'll try and capture it then | 17:54 |
| Sazpaimon_ | oh really? | 17:54 |
| Sazpaimon_ | I usually just grab it from /var/ when it's downloading | 17:54 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | note that it's against the ovi rules to republish the signed deb (not sure how the enforceability works...) | 17:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | even if it's your own app (especially if it is) | 17:55 |
| beford | wow that worked :P | 17:55 |
| javispedro | (or you can use the command line ovi store client for debs you bought) | 17:55 |
| Sazpaimon_ | my guess is that it will crash microb/firefox with a floating point exception | 17:55 |
| rigo | khertan, email works for me out of the box without tunneling. Only surfing doesn't work. Looks like different subscriptions | 17:55 |
| khertan | now i understand why there are so few app in apps.formeego ... | 17:56 |
| khertan | rigo: probably | 17:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | khertan: fwiw it worked fine for my 3 debs | 17:56 |
| Sazpaimon_ | itsnotabigtruck, you should try submitting inception to the nokia store to see how QA reacts | 17:57 |
| beford | lol | 17:57 |
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| tehdely | haha | 17:57 |
| tehdely | TOP APP OF THE YEAR: INCEPTION! HERE'S YOUR FREE N9! | 17:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lmao | 17:58 |
| e-yes[mac] | http://pastebin.com/RkRmT5FD -- FYI: BME protocol reversed | 17:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | e-yes[mac]: nice | 17:59 |
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| javispedro | hm | 17:59 |
| Sazpaimon_ | e-yes[mac], this applies to fremantle too, yes? | 17:59 |
| mece | Is there supposed to be skype video calling in pr1.2 btw? | 18:00 |
| khertan | itsnotabigtruck: depends if you are lucky or not ... some time debs are moved to the repo.pub.meego.com ... sometime not | 18:00 |
| javispedro | e-yes, hmm? | 18:00 |
| javispedro | e-yes, have you seen the years old hald-addon-bme? | 18:00 |
| javispedro | btw flash seems to be softfp | 18:01 |
| Sazpaimon_ | what? | 18:01 |
| Sazpaimon_ | how? | 18:01 |
| Sazpaimon_ | softfp doesnt really work well n hardfp | 18:01 |
| Sazpaimon_ | not as bad as vice versa, but still | 18:02 |
| javispedro | *softfloat =) | 18:02 |
| javispedro | it will work very well if they statically link every fp function they need, which they seem to be doing | 18:02 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | wow, that's really not smart | 18:02 |
| javispedro | actually, they are shipping an entire softfloat libm | 18:02 |
| pa | itsnotabigtruck, what was the sleeve you wanted to buy? (code) | 18:03 |
| Sazpaimon_ | but its closed source so whatever | 18:03 |
| Sazpaimon_ | closed source linux binaries tend to do really stupid stuff | 18:03 |
| javispedro | Sazpaimon_, I cannot even imagine the pain mozilla had to endure with this... | 18:03 |
| javispedro | better be very, very thankful :) | 18:03 |
| Sazpaimon_ | javispedro, I dont think mozilla compiled this | 18:03 |
| Sazpaimon_ | but who knows | 18:03 |
| Sazpaimon_ | I dont know the licensing process for flash player | 18:04 |
| mece | Ooooyeah! Full youtube :) Feels like N900 <3 | 18:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pa: maybe this one? http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/carrying-cases-and-style/carrying-cases/nokia-universally-compatible-carrying-case-cp-556 | 18:04 |
| javispedro | Sazpaimon_, I don't either, but they probably did the final linking | 18:04 |
| Sazpaimon_ | are you given the source under NDA, or do you just tell adobe your requirements and they compile it | 18:04 |
| javispedro | which is the pain part :) | 18:04 |
| Sazpaimon_ | yeah | 18:04 |
| Sazpaimon_ | theyre probably given the .o's | 18:04 |
| mece | erm... if flash has softfp, it should work on N900.. am I wrong? | 18:05 |
| Sazpaimon_ | either way that makes it more hopeful for fremantle | 18:05 |
| Sazpaimon_ | mece, thats what Im implyibng | 18:05 |
| Sazpaimon_ | looking at ldd output, I belive fremantle has everything that the .so requires | 18:05 |
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| pa | 553 i like | 18:05 |
| Sazpaimon_ | its mostly qt and dbus libraries | 18:05 |
| mece | daaaammmnn. | 18:06 |
| Sazpaimon_ | hmm | 18:06 |
| Sazpaimon_ | well, actually | 18:06 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i see a dependency on libaegis-crypto | 18:06 |
| mece | wtf | 18:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | mece: \o/ | 18:06 |
| javispedro | Sazpaimon_, don't use ldd | 18:06 |
| Sazpaimon_ | oh, there seems to be some libmeegotouch dependencies too | 18:06 |
| Sazpaimon_ | javispedro, its easier than readelf | 18:07 |
| Sazpaimon_ | especially on the N9 | 18:07 |
| Sazpaimon_ | too much output scroll trough | 18:07 |
| Sazpaimon_ | *through | 18:07 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | actually why am I typing on the N9, I'm using wifi hotspot right now | 18:07 |
| javispedro | but aegis-crypto is probably not a direct dep | 18:07 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | javispedro, yeah I dont doubt that these libraries can be replaced with stub files | 18:08 |
| javispedro | meegotouch on the other hand is a direct dep | 18:08 |
| javispedro | as is qmsystem, etc. | 18:08 |
| Sazpaimon_ | why the dependency on meegotouch though | 18:08 |
| javispedro | not very portable | 18:08 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | well, I'd like to see what symbols it uses first | 18:09 |
| javispedro | video playback is accelerated | 18:10 |
| mece | yep | 18:10 |
| Sazpaimon_ | yeah | 18:10 |
| Sazpaimon_ | thank god | 18:10 |
| Sazpaimon_ | people on TMO were complaining that we only get 10.1 | 18:10 |
| mece | they need to be slapped. | 18:10 |
| Sazpaimon_ | instead of hoping for hwacceleration | 18:10 |
| Sazpaimon_ | especially when flash 11 brings nothing to the table for us to really benefit from | 18:11 |
| Sazpaimon_ | http://pastebin.com/x4QaKEN7 | 18:12 |
| Sazpaimon_ | readelf -sd output | 18:12 |
| mece | I'm very happy with this. I think it was a very good idea to go with firefox instead of stock browser too. | 18:12 |
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| javispedro | Sazpaimon_, you forgot -W | 18:14 |
| javispedro | (--wide) | 18:14 |
| Sazpaimon_ | oh right | 18:15 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | mece, they went with firefox because the stock browser has no plugin support | 18:15 |
| Sazpaimon_ | oh he left | 18:15 |
| tehdely | that's alright, i wanted to know that | 18:16 |
| tehdely | your line of chat is not in vain | 18:16 |
| javispedro | with -W and c++filt you can now read from that pastebin the names of the MTF stuff used | 18:16 |
| javispedro | MApplication* for a start | 18:16 |
| khertan | rZr: https://github.com/khertan/KhtSimpleText | 18:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1175277#post1175277 | 18:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | "happs" | 18:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | is that a thing? | 18:19 |
| Sazpaimon_ | http://pastebin.com/92JX2Qsd FIXED | 18:19 |
| Sazpaimon_ | *caps | 18:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon_: pretty sure the thread says happs, lol | 18:20 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i meant *caps for me | 18:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: submit to apps.formeego.org if not yet | 18:21 |
| Sazpaimon_ | anyway yeah, there's a ton of meegotouch symbols being used | 18:21 |
| Sazpaimon_ | that doesnt bode well for fremantle | 18:21 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop: before ... cobs should move the package so could test it ... but this fuckiung things works when it s want | 18:21 |
| Sazpaimon_ | gotta wonder what the purpose of that was for | 18:22 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/binary?arch=armv7el&filename=khtsimpletext_0.0.5-2_armel.deb&package=KhtSimpleText&project=home%3Akhertan&repository=Harmattan | 18:22 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop: but http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/khertan/Harmattan/ isn't updated | 18:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: yeah but i preffer from repo with client so i can get updates | 18:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | btw who was fingerterm devs? | 18:23 |
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| ZogG_laptop | ~ping | 18:27 |
| infobot | ~pong | 18:27 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | flash seems to crash on my roxana version of firefox | 18:29 |
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| ZogG_laptop | roxana? | 18:34 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | the autobuilds of firefox | 18:35 |
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| khertan | ZogG_laptop: you prefer from repo with client ... but before ... i need obs to works ... else i can 't publish it to community apps.formeego | 18:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: ^ | 18:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | khertan: i suspect it has something to do with your OBS build flags and things | 18:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | maybe it's the publish flag | 18:36 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | sorry, I meant romaxa | 18:37 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i can never remember thatname | 18:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | Sazpaimon_: romaxa? | 18:37 |
| Sazpaimon_ | http://romaxa.info/fennec/ this | 18:38 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | whatever | 18:38 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | hm | 18:45 |
| Sazpaimon_ | looks like the flash player library has some special gui elements | 18:45 |
| Sazpaimon_ | rather than a plain right click menu | 18:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon_ ZogG_laptop: any chance you guys could submit inception to some tech blogs (if you haven't done so already) | 18:49 |
| * javispedro thinks you are making too much noise | 18:49 | |
| javispedro | it can be fixed even without a full pr, it just needs the dev package updated | 18:50 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | it looks like the meegotouch dependencies come from the long-press event | 18:51 |
| Sazpaimon_ | to launch a fullscreen session of a flash file | 18:51 |
| Sazpaimon_ | longpressing a flash brings up a little bar on the header with two buttons | 18:51 |
| Sazpaimon_ | thats my best guess | 18:51 |
| javispedro | seems that is the case | 18:52 |
| javispedro | in any case, MTF is available on fremantle, albeit I don't know how it'll react to being embedded in a Gtk+ app | 18:53 |
| javispedro | probably not very good... | 18:53 |
| Sazpaimon_ | does microb run plugins in a seperate process? | 18:54 |
| javispedro | microb runs everything on a separate process, browserd | 18:54 |
| Sazpaimon_ | it may not work well if that's not the case | 18:54 |
| Sazpaimon_ | it'd have to be used on the Qt version of fennec only | 18:54 |
| Sazpaimon_ | which used to be available for fremantle on mozilla's website | 18:55 |
| Sazpaimon_ | not anymore | 18:55 |
| javispedro | microb also has a qt version btw =) probably not very useful here as I don't think it was ever finished | 18:55 |
| javispedro | but it is available in the old microb svn | 18:55 |
| Sazpaimon_ | I thought the gui was closed | 18:55 |
| javispedro | and it is -- microb is the engine | 18:56 |
| Sazpaimon_ | sorry, when you were referring to qt, I thought you meant there was a qt version of tablet-browser-ui | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hi javispedro ! | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | long time no see | 18:57 |
| matrixx | does anyone use custom password in madde? | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | itsnotabigtruck: the ISO will pop up on maemo.cloud-7.de in a 'few minutes' | 18:57 |
| matrixx | I have a problem with 1.2, it forgots my custom pw in a second I press the back button in the sdk-connection tool :( | 18:57 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer, danke schön! | 18:57 |
| RST38h | javispedro: moooo! | 18:58 |
| RST38h | javispedro: what's up? | 18:58 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer, I hope it does not cause you any problems, if it does, I might look for another rapidshare-style site | 18:58 |
| RST38h | how is MWC? =) | 18:58 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i wish there was a way to trigger the vkb on the flash player | 18:58 |
| Sazpaimon_ | but i guess that would make it inconvenient to use | 18:58 |
| javispedro | RST38h, missed it, I was in the states for a week and a few days | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | javispedro: no issues at all | 18:59 |
| javispedro | actually NYC and raleigh | 18:59 |
| RST38h | ah | 18:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, how was the US? :) | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hey, and GeneralAntilles :-D | 18:59 |
| Sazpaimon_ | he was in NYC, so his answer is probably "cold" | 18:59 |
| RST38h | was raleigh suitable dreary and soul wrenching? =) | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | GeneralAntilles: hi to you too! :-D | 18:59 |
| RST38h | s/suitable/suitably | 18:59 |
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| javispedro | GeneralAntilles, nyc was pretty unsurprising :) raleigh was surprising though, the atmosphere is quite different | 19:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Everywhere that's not NYC is quite different from NYC. *g* | 19:01 |
| javispedro | also, seems that mrs. obama was on raleigh on the same dates | 19:01 |
| javispedro | so I got to see snipers on the roof *g* | 19:02 |
| javispedro | ;P | 19:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh | 19:02 |
| Sazpaimon_ | joe biden went to a restaurant I used to work at | 19:02 |
| Sazpaimon_ | the entire place flodded with plain dressed guys with ear pieces, an then he walked in | 19:02 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | he ordered his burgers well done, though | 19:03 |
| Sazpaimon_ | no taste | 19:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's Biden. No surprise. | 19:03 |
| javispedro | heh | 19:04 |
| Myname24 | Hello . Plz can someone upload osa.list file from etc/apt/sources.list.d because i accidentaly deleted it and now I can't download anything from the store | 19:04 |
| Sazpaimon_ | I figured when you become that high in public office you arent allowed to eat undercooked meat from outside the whitehouse kitchen | 19:04 |
| javispedro | a pity, I wanted to go geocaching. But didn't seem like a good idea with all those 20-something inches rifles around. | 19:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, yeah, don't mess around with America's political class. | 19:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | You'll end up in gitmo and then we'll never hear from you again. | 19:05 |
| Sazpaimon_ | that was the only logical reason I could come up withe | 19:05 |
| Sazpaimon_ | either that or he had no taste | 19:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's Biden. | 19:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | He had no taste. | 19:06 |
| RST38h | you mean, wrong rifles? | 19:06 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | nothing makes me more angry than well done meat >:( | 19:06 |
| Sazpaimon_ | except bacon | 19:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | How do we get the fancy new Flash for Harmattan? | 19:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | No Firefox updates from Ovi. | 19:07 |
| Sazpaimon_ | GeneralAntilles, ovi store | 19:07 |
| Sazpaimon_ | its a seperate package | 19:07 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles, look up "flashplayer" in ovi | 19:07 |
| RST38h | ! | 19:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also: is there a good way to clear out SMS histories? | 19:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | the messaging-ui is slowly eating up all of my RAM and CPU. | 19:08 |
| Sazpaimon_ | are those still stred in a db file? | 19:08 |
| Sazpaimon_ | *stored | 19:08 |
| Sazpaimon_ | if so, you could delete them from the sqlite commandline | 19:08 |
| javispedro | RST38h, can't say I ever had so many guns pointing at me, so no idea about the right size =) | 19:09 |
| RST38h | javispedro: man, you have got a real American experience, as I see... | 19:09 |
| RST38h | Sazpaimon: should be stored in tracker db | 19:09 |
| javispedro | hah | 19:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Should come to FL next time. We'll let you point them instead of pointing them at you. :P | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | FL? | 19:11 |
| javispedro | hehe, really hoped to but no time | 19:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Florida | 19:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | NY is the wrong state to go shooting in. | 19:11 |
| RST38h | Wrong time to go to FL though,still can't swim | 19:11 |
| RST38h | May though... | 19:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | (They were probably using Remington 700-type rifles which are 20-26", so 20-something inches is correct) | 19:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | GeneralAntilles: been incepted yet? | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | this day been one of those that cut thru my battery pretty much 100% in 11h | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lots a traffic, uh? | 19:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, hey, Tampa Bay's already into the mid-70s. | 19:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | itsnotabigtruck, I don't fly commercial. *g* | 19:14 |
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| RST38h | General: lucky | 19:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 19:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, mostly because I don't have anywhere to be. *g* | 19:14 |
| * RST38h looks outside: -6oC, snow, ice. | 19:14 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Christ | 19:15 |
| javispedro | winter already mostly ended here too, 21ºC | 19:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | 23°C here today | 19:15 |
| RST38h | still one month to go here | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | bbl | 19:16 |
| javispedro | NC was very wet and humid already, guess it was pre-tornado climate =) | 19:17 |
| javispedro | (another part of the american experience? ;P ) | 19:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The Carolinas are always humid. | 19:17 |
| javispedro | s/humid/hot/ | 19:17 |
| RST38h | not as important as a TSA search though | 19:18 |
| RST38h | differs with the state, although most of East Coast is going to be hot/humid by European standards | 19:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you weren't molested by an irritable, public-sector, unionized thug then contact your local US Embassy for a full refund. | 19:19 |
| javispedro | he was only interested in my right pocket for some reason | 19:19 |
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| javispedro | that cancer-causing machine must have some kind of allergy to the pocket where I keep my N950 | 19:20 |
| RST38h | contact your local US Embassy to be molested by an irritable public-sector thug, indeed | 19:20 |
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| javispedro | or shot. from a roof. | 19:21 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: this latter service is available in selected countries only | 19:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ETA ISO: 15min | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: got a md5sum? | 19:34 |
| javispedro | checksumming as of now... | 19:36 |
| javispedro | fun thing | 19:36 |
| javispedro | I got a DVD+R, containing a single file | 19:36 |
| javispedro | the .iso | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | HEY COOL | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | XP | 19:37 |
| * DocScrutinizer pukes a bit on TC explaining 'cloud' | 19:37 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | TV actually | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | 50% | 19:39 |
| javispedro | http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/harm/srcs/md5sums.txt | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | thnx | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's that kernel stuff? | 19:40 |
| javispedro | probably the source tarball most people are interested in | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, ok. So an excerpt | 19:41 |
| javispedro | yep | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | k | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | will mirror that as well | 19:41 |
| javispedro | I'm interested in all of them though, no way to build -dbg packages otherwise... | 19:41 |
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| javispedro | it seems that whatever sdk infrastructure was there, is rotting and rotting | 19:42 |
| RST38h | yeah | 19:42 |
| RST38h | nobody is interested any more | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nploa is using redmond (based) crap internally - I *bet* | 19:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Nokia* | 19:48 |
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| admiral0 | hello | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/1.2/ | 19:53 |
| admiral0 | DocScrutinizer: <3 <3 | 19:56 |
| admiral0 | want my iptables_nat | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | [jr@lagrange 1.2]$ md5sum -c md5sums.txt | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | 30.2012.03-5_sources.iso: OK | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | kernel_2.6.32-20115101+0m7.dsc: OK | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | kernel_2.6.32-20115101+0m7.tar.gz: OK | 19:57 |
| rZr | khertan: hi | 19:58 |
| rZr | github is for hackerz | 19:58 |
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| javispedro | purrfect! | 20:00 |
| admiral0 | hey javispedro :) | 20:00 |
| javispedro | heya | 20:00 |
| javispedro | btw what do you americans have with ice? when searching for a hotel, the most common negative review overall was "the ice machine does not work" | 20:00 |
| rZr | humm ice cream | 20:01 |
| javispedro | and a request for "some ice" got converted into a lemonade glass that was 50% ice | 20:01 |
| MohammadAG | Whats this inception people speak of | 20:01 |
| MohammadAG | Yes im still alive, i havent gone anywhere, my bouncer was just down for quite a long time and i was too lazy to connect manually | 20:02 |
| admiral0 | oh | 20:02 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG, hey, today is reunion day | 20:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, I don't get that either. | 20:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think it's a Yankee thing. | 20:02 |
| admiral0 | inception practically uses a bug in aegis | 20:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, hey-oh! :) | 20:02 |
| admiral0 | and then signs packages with local key | 20:03 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro: I thought today is some jewish holiday | 20:03 |
| admiral0 | nice toy | 20:03 |
| MohammadAG | Or was that tomorrow | 20:03 |
| MohammadAG | Heya GeneralAntilles | 20:03 |
| MohammadAG | Need a raspberry pi | 20:03 |
| admiral0 | i'll get one soon :P | 20:03 |
| admiral0 | muahaha | 20:03 |
| javispedro | oh, so they shipped? | 20:03 |
| MohammadAG | Gonna try to assemble my own in car pc | 20:03 |
| admiral0 | nope | 20:04 |
| * DocScrutinizer hands out some drinks, and starts the party music | 20:04 | |
| admiral0 | it's just that i'm in the 400 reserved qtonpi | 20:04 |
| javispedro | hah | 20:04 |
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| MohammadAG | Djzapi's not here, whos the DJ? | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | me | 20:04 |
| javispedro | I think that any day now they'll do ala pandora and say they lost an entire stock of 40000 units in the costa concordia disaster | 20:04 |
| MohammadAG | You're a DS, not a DJ | 20:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Disc Stud? | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | bear with me, my generation has NFC what's a DS | 20:05 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer intials, but Disc Stud works | 20:05 |
| * admiral0 is sad. lives in italy... | 20:06 | |
| MohammadAG | Oh and one more thing | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | any reason to be sad?? | 20:06 |
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| admiral0 | costa concordia | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | DUH | 20:06 |
| admiral0 | and stupid schettino... | 20:06 |
| MohammadAG | Hi Mohammad Sending device to Israel is a problematic due to the custom restriction. Is there any other address in EU/ USA I can send the lumia 800 to you | 20:06 |
| MohammadAG | Custom restriction eh | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, NOKIA? | 20:07 |
| MohammadAG | Ye | 20:07 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG, I have several dumpyard addresses | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | *burp* | 20:07 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro: Its that bad? | 20:07 |
| javispedro | oh, you won't believe it | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess they work well | 20:08 |
| javispedro | I lent it to my sister yesterday | 20:08 |
| MohammadAG | I did development for ios btw, it was, fun | 20:08 |
| javispedro | a few minutes ago I got a panic call from her saying that it's getting random calls | 20:08 |
| MohammadAG | Lending it to someone is always a possibility yeah | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | (the dumpyards) | 20:08 |
| MohammadAG | Or selling it, i guess | 20:08 |
| MohammadAG | But id really love to have a look at it, after all i sorta earned it? | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: sell it via ebaeh and promise 110% factory fresh | 20:09 |
| MohammadAG | My guess it that my n950 issue is the customs restriction | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | then change shipping addr | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 20:09 |
| admiral0 | MohammadAG: ios development fun? | 20:09 |
| MohammadAG | admiral0: Tbh yes | 20:09 |
| MohammadAG | The UI toolkit is awesome | 20:09 |
| admiral0 | MohammadAG: obj-c calls are too verbose | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | pff | 20:10 |
| admiral0 | it's something i hate personally | 20:10 |
| MohammadAG | No UI toolkit surpasses is | 20:10 |
| MohammadAG | Obj-C is weird to me, but i like the ui toolkit again | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | who gives a fsck about UI when there's no kernel to hack on? | 20:10 |
| MohammadAG | The storyboard concept is also cool | 20:10 |
| MohammadAG | There is, with payloads | 20:10 |
| MohammadAG | Of course the changes cant be that big.... | 20:11 |
| javispedro | soon there'll be no kernel | 20:11 |
| admiral0 | lol | 20:11 |
| MohammadAG | But seriously | 20:11 |
| MohammadAG | UIKIt mops the floor with MTF | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, have fun kids! I'm off for some leisure time now. Ping me if sth odd with maemo.cloud-7 | 20:12 |
| javispedro | I listened to a talk about some university changing their OS project course to center it on the android kernel instead of linux... | 20:12 |
| RST38h | MohammadAG: iPhone? Really? | 20:12 |
| MohammadAG | QML is abstract, i dont consider it a ui toolkit | 20:12 |
| admiral0 | what about win8 dudes :D http://www.extremetech.com/computing/121015-windows-8-may-drive-me-to-linux | 20:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | should be good for all the DL bandwidth you can possibly find | 20:12 |
| RST38h | javispedro: And this will pass, too. | 20:12 |
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| MohammadAG | RST38h: Yes, just look at the ui toolkit | 20:12 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer, again, danke schön! much appreciated. | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | YW, all thanks to YOU! | 20:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, *facepalm* | 20:13 |
| MohammadAG | Anyway my app is simple | 20:14 |
| MohammadAG | It kinda shows how facebook checkins simply expose peoples locations | 20:14 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG, is it on the apple app store? are you filthy rich already? :D | 20:14 |
| MohammadAG | http://i39.tinypic.com/wa599g.jpg | 20:14 |
| admiral0 | javispedro: don't joke about it. For software engineering i can't escape coding in fscking java | 20:14 |
| MohammadAG | No, i have an unsigned ipa though | 20:14 |
| RST38h | facebook! | 20:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Whose Audi? | 20:14 |
| MohammadAG | Heh | 20:15 |
| MohammadAG | Thats Zeppelin, an ios tweak that fakes carrier logos | 20:15 |
| MohammadAG | But anyway, i found out where a girl lives through my app | 20:16 |
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| MohammadAG | Cause she checked into her house | 20:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Creeper | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah, I know of 5 girls' addr, without your app ;-P | 20:16 |
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| javispedro | next time call the app "please rob me" ;P | 20:17 |
| MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/iOS/ | 20:17 |
| RST38h | pretty small package too | 20:17 |
| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles: 18+ year old girl, disregard DS's comment | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | so, who's going to build the open!mode-kernel_1.2 | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 20:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, regardless. :P | 20:18 |
| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles: And i was browsing the neighborhood, not looking for her :p | 20:18 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h: IPAs are zip riles | 20:18 |
| MohammadAG | Files | 20:18 |
| MohammadAG | The extension's just changed | 20:18 |
| RST38h | Oh fuck they have just abolished the Android Market | 20:19 |
| RST38h | .apks are no different | 20:19 |
| MohammadAG | Yes | 20:19 |
| MohammadAG | Debs are | 20:19 |
| MohammadAG | In a way | 20:19 |
| javispedro | winphone7 apps are also zips | 20:19 |
| MohammadAG | Btw, the iphone jailbreak community has one small flaw | 20:19 |
| javispedro | (.xap) | 20:19 |
| MohammadAG | Using com.something.packagename for deb names | 20:19 |
| MohammadAG | You can have for example | 20:19 |
| MohammadAG | com.javispedro.facebook | 20:19 |
| MohammadAG | com.mohammadag.facebook | 20:20 |
| MohammadAG | And both would be the same app with a different name | 20:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, huh? | 20:20 |
| MohammadAG | Anyway, that would cause dpkg to bitch about overwriting files | 20:20 |
| MohammadAG | Im getting fast on the ipad | 20:20 |
| RST38h | General: http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/06/google-play-replaces-android-market/ | 20:20 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG, the older meego packaging rules also specified that you should use that reversed.domain.notation | 20:21 |
| javispedro | and /opt/reverse.domain.notation/ as path prefix | 20:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, ah, interesting. | 20:21 |
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| javispedro | heh, ipad3 | 20:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh shit. | 20:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mass Effect 3 gets here today. | 20:22 |
| javispedro | must admit that if they really quad the resolution, it would be an interesting move | 20:22 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro: Why | 20:23 |
| MohammadAG | I dnt get it, it simply causes more problems | 20:23 |
| * MohammadAG tames autocorrect | 20:23 | |
| MohammadAG | javispedro: Yeah, was thinking about buying apple stocks yesterday | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhuh, inception | 20:23 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG, just interesting, not saying it would be better or worse, but it would be virtually a first for apple to do such a specbump move | 20:24 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro: I was talking about package names | 20:24 |
| MohammadAG | The resolution would be a better move | 20:24 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG, heh =) well, blame java-influenced guys | 20:24 |
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| blueslee | damn, so many maemo man power in the last minutes here:-) | 20:24 |
| RST38h | OMG, MohammadAG has got infected | 20:25 |
| MohammadAG | But it'll cause problems | 20:25 |
| MohammadAG | Some apps scale, most of the app store needs to be rewritten | 20:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, I feel like I'm missing an inside joke. | 20:25 |
| MohammadAG | Games will suck | 20:25 |
| MohammadAG | The iPad is pix | 20:25 |
| MohammadAG | Pixelated btw | 20:25 |
| RST38h | super high resolution leads to a few novel usage models though | 20:25 |
| MohammadAG | Oh and using a capacitive pen, sucks | 20:25 |
| MohammadAG | I miss digitizers | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | I just heard rumours somebody published a aegis-rooter today, called inception | 20:26 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Samsung Note | 20:26 |
| MohammadAG | Yes | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bet I can guess the name of the author | 20:26 |
| * RST38h has been fighting the urge to buy Samsung Note for months now | 20:26 | |
| MohammadAG | RST38h: Got my hands on a Wacom bamboo | 20:26 |
| RST38h | yea, but it is just an input device | 20:26 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles, are there are signs pointing to the final ME3 being substantially better than the demo? | 20:26 |
| RST38h | very very nice input device, indeed, but no display | 20:26 |
| MohammadAG | Using it on the iPad, app provided by Wacom is good but the rest sucks | 20:26 |
| javispedro | (which I didn't play but I did watch the youtube videos ranting about the high quality animations) | 20:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, dunno, didn't play the demo. | 20:27 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h: Bamboo stylus, not the slate itself | 20:27 |
| RST38h | The Note is a 5.3" (!) pocketable device with an inductive stylus (!) | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm only concerned about the story. | 20:27 |
| MohammadAG | Again, inductive styli aren't that good | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hopefully EA didn't go all-out and poop it up like they tried to with ME2. | 20:27 |
| MohammadAG | I mss gaming | 20:27 |
| rZr | OMG http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1175376#post1175376 | 20:27 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Well, it does the job for Note | 20:28 |
| MohammadAG | Haven't played a good game since like, August | 20:28 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: It is no bamboo though | 20:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rzr: have you been incepted yet? :p | 20:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, did you play Bastion? | 20:28 |
| MohammadAG | Bamboo stylus RST38h | 20:28 |
| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles: No | 20:28 |
| MohammadAG | Last game I bought was portal 2 I thnk | 20:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, do. It rocks. | 20:28 |
| MohammadAG | Or was it killzone 3 | 20:28 |
| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles: Uni, no time | 20:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's also pretty cheap now, too. | 20:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also: short | 20:29 |
| MohammadAG | I don't have my ps3 with me | 20:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Blah blah blah | 20:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | How's school? | 20:29 |
| MohammadAG | Annoying | 20:30 |
| MohammadAG | From 8:30 till 4 everyday sucks | 20:31 |
| MohammadAG | And Jewish holidays aren't a lot | 20:31 |
| MohammadAG | Basically I only get Thursday to Saturday off | 20:31 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles, I did try to force myself to finish ME2 and it was horrible | 20:31 |
| MohammadAG | Well, Friday since I finish at 4 Thursdays | 20:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, I greatly enjoyed ME2. | 20:32 |
| javispedro | hah! | 20:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Finished it in 2 days, almost straight through. :< | 20:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, working? | 20:32 |
| javispedro | I dislike shooters, and ME1 didn't felt like one | 20:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, yeah, there was that change. | 20:32 |
| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles: Don't really have the time for that | 20:32 |
| MohammadAG | I barely have time to study | 20:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sucks | 20:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | I dunno. Kinda felt more streamlined. | 20:33 |
| MohammadAG | Need some solid income | 20:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | I got tired of screwing around with weapon addons in ME1. | 20:33 |
| MohammadAG | Hey at least I got a 75% scholarship | 20:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | How much is tuition normally per year? (if you don't mind me asking) | 20:33 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | it seems like all the tech blogs do anymore is echo press releases | 20:34 |
| MohammadAG | 16000 nis a year for the first preparatory year | 20:34 |
| MohammadAG | About 4000 or 5000 usds | 20:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, not too terrible, then. | 20:34 |
| javispedro | uuh | 20:35 |
| blueslee | thats good money for a month | 20:35 |
| MohammadAG | Yeah, but the uni's ranked the 15th globally for CS :p | 20:35 |
| MohammadAG | But this is a preparatory year | 20:35 |
| MohammadAG | Baically, extensive physics and maths | 20:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Does it include room and board? | 20:35 |
| MohammadAG | Dorms are shitty tbh, 150$ a month, but shittyy | 20:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dorms are usually shitty. :P | 20:36 |
| MohammadAG | 3*7m and you share the room with two others | 20:36 |
| rZr | itsnotabigtruck: not yet | 20:36 |
| MohammadAG | Next year should be way better though | 20:36 |
| rZr | itsnotabigtruck: i need to finish some stuff before | 20:36 |
| MohammadAG | They don't let you pick dorms the first year, you only have the worst ones | 20:37 |
| MohammadAG | Oh and worst of all, sharing toilets | 20:37 |
| rZr | itsnotabigtruck: how many known devices are opened so far ? | 20:37 |
| MohammadAG | And Internet speed, I live off of 3G | 20:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rzr: well, there's been a few hundred downloads of INCEPTION | 20:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not quite the numbers i'd hoped for | 20:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, yeah, campus internets are generally terrible. | 20:38 |
| * GeneralAntilles is hungry. What's for lunch? | 20:38 | |
| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles: Campus is 100MBps | 20:38 |
| rZr | if more that 100+ pple ring your door you're screwed | 20:38 |
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| MohammadAG | Dorms are 2.5 | 20:38 |
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| MohammadAG | That's wired anyway, i use 3G and get up to 7 | 20:39 |
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| RST38h | Have you got an obligatory workstation in the restroom? | 20:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 20:40 |
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| javispedro | they are called ipads these days | 20:40 |
| javispedro | seriously, best use for one. | 20:40 |
| MohammadAG | True that | 20:40 |
| rZr | itsnotabigtruck: anyway i did have a look at the code | 20:42 |
| rZr | it's pretty obscure | 20:42 |
| rZr | but congratz | 20:42 |
| rZr | this is brillant i am sure | 20:42 |
| MohammadAG | I like how you didn't call it jailbreaking, thanks for that | 20:42 |
| javispedro | pssh | 20:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rzr: note that step #1 (putting on the inception music) is vital to the inception process :D | 20:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is there a decent GUI IRC client for Harmattan yet? | 20:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | I really miss IRC on my phone. | 20:43 |
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| MohammadAG | Is it coincidence that my friend n the room was listening to je n'ai retrette rien | 20:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | GeneralAntilles: Venemo's IRC chatter | 20:43 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | btw Venemo: bee incepted yet? | 20:44 |
| Venemo | GeneralAntilles, it's currently in beta, but you can try | 20:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | MohammadAG: no | 20:45 |
| Venemo | GeneralAntilles, it has evolved a lot lately | 20:45 |
| MohammadAG | He has no N9/50 | 20:45 |
| Venemo | itsnotabigtruck, sorry, I have a lot of work to do :( | 20:45 |
| RST38h | itsnotabigtruck: THANKS! | 20:45 |
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| Venemo | GeneralAntilles, open a terminal on your N9(50), install wget, then wget http://j.mp/ACGpBp and install it with dpkg | 20:46 |
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| javispedro | hm, nokia world 2012 in HEL | 20:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | explains all the nokia news today | 20:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, sweet! | 20:53 |
| Anssi138 | i liked London better | 20:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | (A tuna sandwich is for lunch) | 20:54 |
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| javispedro | GeneralAntilles, btw, the ME3 demo rant video I was looking for: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gayz4s82LHs&t=0m45s (might ruin your game experience if the final game engine ends up resembling the demo in any way) | 20:54 |
| Anssi138 | wondering what next year hackathon will be. | 20:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I haven't look at any of the preview or demo stuff | 20:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Going in cold. | 20:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what friggin nokia news of today? | 20:56 |
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| javispedro | more fire in the burning platforms? | 20:57 |
| Anssi138 | who knows... | 20:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mostly just press releases | 20:58 |
| Anssi138 | i've heard that s40 sells well enough. :) | 20:58 |
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| javispedro | that's because gas prices are rising, so elop ran out of fuel | 20:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I hear he's switching to solar | 21:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | They just have to launch the satellite mirrors. | 21:00 |
| Anssi138 | i've seen that movie :) | 21:01 |
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| javispedro | lol | 21:02 |
| javispedro | someone reimplemented X11 in Java | 21:02 |
| javispedro | to run it under Android | 21:02 |
| javispedro | no excuse any longer, Android now runs X11! | 21:02 |
| Anssi138 | oh my god why.... | 21:02 |
| * DocScrutinizer headdesks | 21:02 | |
| harbaum | javispedro: How good do you know the n900 gles? | 21:03 |
| javispedro | harbaum, worser than the n9 one at this point, but shoot | 21:03 |
| GAN900 | /proxy | 21:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | How do I check what port my irssi proxy is listening on? | 21:03 |
| javispedro | http://my20percent.wordpress.com/2012/02/27/android-x-server/ | 21:03 |
| harbaum | i am toying with a little game i am writing. the gles1 part runs fine on n950, pc etc, but on n900 glTexSubImage2D locks the device up | 21:04 |
| harbaum | are there restrictions when using glTexSubImage2D while a texture might be in use during rendering? | 21:04 |
| harbaum | it may be the fact that the n900 is the slowest machine i am testing on that i see these effects | 21:05 |
| javispedro | it should not hang in any case | 21:05 |
| javispedro | what's the size of the texture and the subarea? | 21:05 |
| harbaum | it does. i have to hard reset the n900. sometimes i see broken textures befor ethat | 21:05 |
| harbaum | texture is 512x256 and subarea can be anything (letters written onto the texture) | 21:06 |
| MohammadAG | Could be a defective gpu? :p | 21:06 |
| harbaum | haha | 21:06 |
| javispedro | nah, driver is the one doing most of the work here | 21:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | I really despise the numerous text input race bugs. | 21:06 |
| javispedro | harbaum, does it hang in glTexImage or in swapBuffers? | 21:07 |
| javispedro | and, does it work if you insert some generous delay between frames? | 21:07 |
| harbaum | can't really tell as the device locks up hard. | 21:07 |
| javispedro | oosp | 21:07 |
| javispedro | *oops | 21:07 |
| harbaum | i shoudl test that. first test will be to move the texture update from the main rendering phase to the time after the screen has been rendered | 21:08 |
| javispedro | I do remember that changing an active texture can slow down swap buffers as the driver forces the gpu to map/unmap it | 21:08 |
| javispedro | but it should not hang.. | 21:08 |
| harbaum | i thought maybe you knew someting like "a glflush is required between drawing and modifying textures" | 21:09 |
| javispedro | don't think so | 21:09 |
| javispedro | and actually I've used that with larger textures | 21:10 |
| javispedro | they were 2048x2048 and rgb565 | 21:10 |
| harbaum | can't be a n900 specific thing as the preenv stuff would also stumble upon this and webos apps sure aren't coded with n900 specific workarounds | 21:10 |
| GAN900 | woot | 21:12 |
| GAN900 | Practically back to Fremantle functionality. | 21:13 |
| GAN900 | Flash, IRC, AIM | 21:13 |
| javispedro | harbaum, is it random? | 21:13 |
| javispedro | harbaum, or instant? after a given number of frames? | 21:13 |
| javispedro | maybe a leak | 21:13 |
| harbaum | javispedro: a little bit, but with a pretty high probability like "within the first 4-5 calls to glTexSubImage2D | 21:14 |
| * RST38h wants SiB on Harmattan | 21:14 | |
| RST38h | BADLY | 21:14 |
| harbaum | i'll debug ... i was just verifying that there isn't a known issue | 21:15 |
| beford | SiB? | 21:15 |
| harbaum | skype is also missing | 21:15 |
| RST38h | SMPlayer is not suitable for the small screen and KMPlayer is atrocious | 21:15 |
| RST38h | Skype can be added trivially | 21:15 |
| RST38h | there is a package | 21:15 |
| harbaum | :-) | 21:16 |
| harbaum | a repackaged n900 skype or what? | 21:16 |
| javispedro | harbaum, never seen it. in any case, I wouldn't recomend doing a glTex*Image per frame, might be unreasonably slow | 21:16 |
| javispedro | harbaum, if you are doing text you might even want to use gl itself to render it | 21:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Need a UPnP client and I'll be set. | 21:17 |
| harbaum | javispedro: the idea is to assemble the text using gl but once the letters "settle" have them statically inside one bigger bitmap so the user can scroll fluidly | 21:17 |
| RST38h | There is DLNA client | 21:17 |
| RST38h | if that is what you mean | 21:17 |
| rZr | RST38h: http://www.sib.org/ ? | 21:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Where? | 21:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | (yes, that's what I mean) | 21:20 |
| RST38h | General: In the builtin music player, no? | 21:21 |
| javispedro | harbaum, maybe render to a FBO then | 21:22 |
| javispedro | harbaum, I am not sure if many games do a glTex*image per frame, so the driver might decide to leak, who knows | 21:22 |
| javispedro | it has to either stall rendering or copy the entire texture | 21:23 |
| harbaum | i think i'll have to learn hat FBO means ... thanks for the hint ... | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, it does DLNA? | 21:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not so far as I've been able to divine. | 21:24 |
| javispedro | hm | 21:24 |
| javispedro | I remember reading something about DLNA and PR1.2? | 21:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Server | 21:25 |
| harbaum | i think pr1.2 can act as a server | 21:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not client as far as I'm aware. | 21:25 |
| javispedro | ah | 21:25 |
| RST38h | PR1.2 contains DLNA server from Zeeshan | 21:25 |
| RST38h | But yes, I am probably messing up Fremantle and Harmattan players | 21:25 |
| RST38h | Fremantle has it | 21:25 |
| RST38h | kinda useless though as it tries loading the whole file before playing it back | 21:25 |
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| javispedro | heh | 21:27 |
| javispedro | what can you expect from a MS designed protocol | 21:27 |
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| RST38h | AFAIK it is implementation dependent | 21:28 |
| RST38h | Also, Harmattan DLNA needs some tweaking before it will export your .avi files | 21:28 |
| RST38h | Because [shocker!] DLNA standard does not include .avi sharing | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're messing up fremantle and HARM quite a bit since some 30 minutes | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | some of you | 21:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | is the INCEPTION thread loading for anyone? not sure if it's TMO or the hotspot | 21:30 |
| javispedro | hey, don't mess with this family reunion | 21:30 |
| javispedro | Doc^^ ;P | 21:30 |
| RST38h | it is the slashdot effect! | 21:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | We're overcome by nostalgia. | 21:30 |
| RST38h | Flashback. | 21:30 |
| * RST38h grins | 21:30 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | seems to be working ok now, must have been thehotspot | 21:31 |
| javispedro | yeah, works for me. | 21:31 |
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| RST38h | Is djszapi going to turn into a pumpkin at the sight of Inception? | 21:32 |
| javispedro | someone must tell those firefox guys that showing a fake firefox as loading screen only works if firefox takes a few seconds to load | 21:32 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Someone must tell them that using all available memory is not a good idea | 21:32 |
| javispedro | if it takes half a minute, it kinda loses the effect | 21:32 |
| javispedro | and instead is more of a nuisance | 21:33 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Firefox and the goddamn Marble are the only two apps managing to hang (hang!) N9(50) | 21:33 |
| admiral0 | RST38h: my n9 hangs randomly. | 21:34 |
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| admiral0 | so it's not a surprise | 21:34 |
| RST38h | not here | 21:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | RST38h: are they just spinning the cpu, or something more snister? | 21:34 |
| RST38h | itsnotabigtruck: they are allocating lots and lots of memory, cutting into swap, and then it all hangs | 21:35 |
| RST38h | due to swap being slow and on the same mmc as / | 21:35 |
| RST38h | type "about:memory" into url to see details | 21:35 |
| RST38h | but basically, it is the motherfucking XUL, JavaScript, and the DOM model | 21:36 |
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| harbaum | javispedro: What is [SGXOSTimer/0] ??? | 21:37 |
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| javispedro | dunno, probably does something stupid such as reinvent kernel timers | 21:38 |
| harbaum | That's the name of the process eating my n900's cpu in the problem case | 21:38 |
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| javispedro | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle12-20100706/source/kernel/drivers/gpu/pvr/sgxinit.c#974 | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>Service Notification: Ovi Share is closing on 30 May 2012<< BWAHAHA | 21:41 |
| javispedro | yeah, crazy | 21:42 |
| rigo | can't that be taken over by some org or association? | 21:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably yahoo wasn't interested ;-P | 21:45 |
| * javispedro ponders how to do the openmode kernel this time | 21:46 | |
| javispedro | btw, could anyone do uname -r in the n9? | 21:47 |
| javispedro | *pr1.2 n9 | 21:48 |
| javispedro | bbl | 21:49 |
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| khertan | DocScrutinizer: what is ovishare ? | 22:20 |
| khertan | :) | 22:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://n9-apps.com/inception | 22:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just published on n9-apps | 22:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | khertan: think it's nokia's picture sharing service | 22:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, was | 22:25 |
| khertan | so an another result of the NIH syndrom | 22:27 |
| mgedmin | so... the n9-apps.com has no link to the upstream website? | 22:28 |
| mgedmin | nice </sarcasm> | 22:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mgedmin: what do you mean? | 22:29 |
| mgedmin | http://n9-apps.com/inception says "The INCEPTION website provides comprehensive information on capabilities, risks, and instructions for getting started" | 22:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | upstream website is my website, which is what you get when you click on the qr code | 22:29 |
| * RST38h laughs satanically | 22:29 | |
| mgedmin | there's no (clickable) link to | 22:29 |
| RST38h | hi, mgedmin | 22:29 |
| mgedmin | aaah, I have to _click_ the QR code | 22:29 |
| mgedmin | how intuitive | 22:29 |
| mgedmin | </sarcasm> | 22:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's my bad for the wording | 22:29 |
| mgedmin | the QR code which says "INSTALL" above it | 22:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | they didn't put it there, i filled out the form and posted it | 22:30 |
| mgedmin | because I thought (mistakenly) that QR codes were for QR readers, and not mouse clicks | 22:30 |
| mgedmin | and that a QR code with "INSTALL" above it would INSTALL the application, and not redirect me to the upstream website | 22:30 |
| mgedmin | sorry, got carried away a bit | 22:30 |
| mgedmin | there's a grey-on-grey non-clickable URL below the QR code | 22:30 |
| mgedmin | that I can carefully select and copy and paste and then see the upstream website | 22:31 |
| mgedmin | (which has a splash screen!) | 22:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | heh | 22:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm not sure why they recommend using the web page url, not the deb url | 22:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it specifically says on the form not to use the deb url | 22:31 |
| mgedmin | heh, I like step 1: "Fire up some suitable music" | 22:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hehe | 22:31 |
| bedrock | yeah, that step reminds me of amiga days :) | 22:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the inception track is vital to the process | 22:32 |
| mgedmin | the website is a bit 'tl;dr | 22:34 |
| mgedmin | I'm looking for "HOW DOES IT WORK" section and not seeing one | 22:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Ok - I'm missing something. Or am I? I install FF on n950, go to about:plugins - and eventually get to a page ofefering me x86 flash. | 22:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mgedmin: how it works should really be irrelevant, especially because it could change over time | 22:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's getting a little bit frustrating with how many people here are more interested in examining the source, than loading it up and cooking up some awesome forbidden programs | 22:36 |
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| mgedmin | yes, well, that's curiosity for you | 22:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, Flash is in Ovi Store. | 22:37 |
| mgedmin | I've no use cases for a N9-opening tool at the moment, but I have my curiosity | 22:37 |
| bedrock | itsnotabigtruck: i think people will, it'ss only day 1 at the moment... | 22:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Uh? Wut? | 22:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh well. | 22:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Thanks | 22:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in order to make this work, as many people as possible need to build on top of this and take back the n9 | 22:38 |
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| petteri | not to wanna be a party pooper, but I can't really come up with forbidden programs that my N9 needs | 22:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | petteri: well, i made a list on the inception website, and that's only the tip of the iceberg :p | 22:45 |
| deram | it would need an openvpn client that allows sip cals to be made through the vpn | 22:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | obviously some pedestrian qml app won't have any special requirements with aegis | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | itsnotabigtruck: a) did you really think people are interested in the functionality more than in the knowledge? b) there's no such thing like "forbidden programs", there's just locked-down functionality in core OS, and this one will c) get locked-down again in a few weeks, as Nokia won't let you get away with that | 22:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | most of the apps coming out today don't require any special access | 22:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which is a shame | 22:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: people sure are interested in the functionality rather than the knowledge when it comes to every other mobile platform | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, especially the devels X-P | 22:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | they're all locked down, they all get owned, and they all have a wide spectrum of apps that take advantage of that | 22:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | which know all a) b) c) of above and had their own hacks to cheat aegis since err dunno, months at least | 22:48 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: yeah, but i'm under the impression most people never got beyond the stage of opening an opensh | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | and no sane devel is building a program that will break as soon as this aegis-cracker app gets nuked off the device by nokia | 22:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the idea here is to turn it into a deployable system for installing a new generation of app | 22:49 |
| deram | 1 thing to remember is that this is just the type of program I'd probably not trust anyone elses binaries, and the code would need through examination before it goes near the phone, no offense... | 22:50 |
| deram | so I think it is normal to see more downloads on the sources than the binary | 22:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | deram: except most of those people probably aren't equipped to do source package compiles | 22:51 |
| alien_ | what exactly do you need to access which can't be allowed through aegis? | 22:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | alien_: quite a bit...look at the top of the inception website | 22:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | "need to access" is probably the wrong term | 22:51 |
| deram | itsnotabigtruck: but as there is not yet any software that needs that to install ready for users, the developers are the ones taking the looks on it | 22:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i mean, really, you don't absolutely need anything, the N9 suffices perfectly well as a phone out of the box | 22:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but who wants to stop there | 22:52 |
| petteri | i tried to use sshfs on n900, but 3g is way too laggy for that. I think CSSU for N9 would be nice, but is not needed yet, as Nokia still seem to provide nice updates | 22:53 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | 27 DSC downloads, 108 tar.gz downloads, 254 DEB downloads | 22:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also deram: that's the mistake everyone seems to make | 22:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it isn't my exploit you should be suspicious of, it's some perfectly innocent-looking ovi store app | 22:54 |
| tehdely | has inception been written up anywhere today? | 22:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | tehdely: gsmarena, and a few personal blogs | 22:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | none of the major tech blogs | 22:55 |
| tehdely | any good tweets i should retweet? | 22:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i was trying to get everyone to submit tips to the major sites but i think few people did that | 22:56 |
| petteri | itsnotabigtruck: like the filemanager that added something to /etc/apt/sources.list.d | 22:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (they generally pay more attention to a story if a large number of people submit it) | 22:56 |
| deram | itsnotabigtruck: that is true too.. yet it is not the a reason for not taking the look in the source of your exploit and even build it yourself if it is possible and does not mean too much of a hassle around | 22:56 |
| wirwe | hey, after the mwc are there any news on the acl / openmobile -android-apps on n9 thing? | 22:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | deram: my point though is that people are very selective about what they apply that treatment to | 22:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and the dangerous programs are not those like mine | 23:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | they're mass market programs aimed at the maximum sized target | 23:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that don't sound suspicious | 23:00 |
| deram | if it was possible, I'd recompile every app in ovistore, but it is not possible, so the next best thing is to compile those not looked after by the store staff | 23:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's like how some people are extra careful about authenticating their GPG source code, and then inevitably at some point in the future they'll run some unauthenticated binary | 23:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and if you really want to trojan someone's crypto software, would you go in the front door, or would you do it when they least expect it | 23:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's misdirected paranoia | 23:02 |
| deram | well, the troyans used the front door... and sometimes the best place to hide something is the most obvious | 23:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and it's misdirected paranoia that's slowing down adoption of something that could make a positive impact on N9dom | 23:03 |
| deram | I would not say it is slowing down, if there is no use in the first day | 23:03 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | tehdely: as for tweets...https://twitter.com/#!/itsnotabigtruck/status/177004362751676416 | 23:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's mine but there's a few others | 23:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway...don't get me wrong, i'm not against auditing software in general | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | itsnotabigtruck: c'mon, now you are about to fall for a state of delusion. As explained above, your app with "positive impact" will just have short term negative impact as Nokia will kill it in no time | 23:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: let's not do anything ever, because it might get shut down! | 23:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you're so pessimistic :P | 23:12 |
| alien_ | i guess they will fix it in no time if this is exploiting a vulnerability that can be exploited by malicious apps | 23:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also DocScrutinizer: remember, inception apps are open mode apps | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're so whining about those who might be more realistic regarding the long term reliability and thus usefulness of your crack for any serious development | 23:16 |
| alien_ | but it's cool that we have it | 23:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you were speaking up for open mode before - that leads to heading down the same direction, which is building high functionality high privilege apps | 23:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | damn, I'd not even bother to look into your sources for the purpose to base e.g hostmode on that | 23:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: you don't "base x on inception", you build packages like you normally would for harmattan | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | as I'd not even have finished the POC when Nokia nukes this "foundation" crack that would render my whole work useless the moment Nokia nukes it | 23:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | packages that work just as well on open mode | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, we've been at that point of discussion before, and I asked you to stop PMing me as I felt you'll never get my point and rationale about that topic | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | evidently I've benn right at least about the latter point | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe it's of interest for you that the guy who provided patched openmode kernel seemed rather pissed about inception and basically said he'll reconsider doing that again for 1.2 | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | congrats | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | you proved you're a really smart ass | 23:23 |
| * itsnotabigtruck shrugs | 23:24 | |
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| MohammadAG | Personally I see no problem with inception | 23:25 |
| * DocScrutinizer neither | 23:26 | |
| DocScrutinizer | I simply ignore it, as I do with HARM at large | 23:26 |
| MohammadAG | Problems* | 23:26 |
| MohammadAG | ... | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I seem to recall a private comment of javispedro that suggests he also doesn't feel like continuing to support this madhouse | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | just a pity for those who (unlike me) really liked the HW but hoped for a system similar to fremantle eventually | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | similar in support from community, regarding all the bits that Nokia missed, messed up, or simply promised but never delivered | 23:30 |
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| admiral0 | well, DocScrutinizer, start doing what you always do | 23:31 |
| admiral0 | mess with the kernel | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | not this time, sorry | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | CBA | 23:32 |
| admiral0 | aka? | 23:32 |
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| admiral0 | well DocScrutinizer, afaikt itsnotabigtruck is not a security expert | 23:35 |
| admiral0 | as i said some days ago, when PR 1.3 will be out, me and some of my friends will explore aegis very deeply and anally | 23:35 |
| admiral0 | so if your issue is with aegis... | 23:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no, my issue is with N9 hw, with Nokia product philosophy, with Nokia cheating on the community, and with all the ****** going on here in this chan as well as on all the unbearable forums. (actually prolly 'fori') - it short, HARM and all around it is an ever growing PITA for me, and each time I feel the pain like this very moment, I reduce my amount of involvement | 23:39 |
| admiral0 | after the n900, i can understand you. | 23:40 |
| admiral0 | n9 is dead as sw platform, so we can annoy the hell out of nokia asking for sources | 23:41 |
| admiral0 | then -> mer | 23:41 |
| admiral0 | if not mer archlinux-arm :D | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | if I were interested in a device with only one hw button and capacitive touchscreen, that has something faintly unixoid running on it but needs jailbreak or whatever to do the simplest things on it, I'd have gotten me an iPhone from the day they became available for betatesters | 23:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Nokia's *only* unique feature was the openness of the complete system (as their promise to deliver on openness of core apps eventually never came true). So what's the reason now to get a N9 rather than an iPhone? | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | Android is as open as HARM never will get | 23:46 |
| pa | tho i have an idea to make nokia produce an N10.. <g> | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's "just" tivoized, but wait.. N9 is as well | 23:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2012/03/adobe-rushes-out-critical-flash-update.ars might this affect the N9 | 23:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pppffffffff | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe you can use it for your next zero-day exploit | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | on HARM 1.3 with fixed aegis | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | wait, 1.2.1 | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | they won't wait til 1.3 to nuke your stuff | 23:48 |
| pa | given the fact that modern mobile OSes still lack some fundamental features, and i am aware of at least a bunch of people complaining about it, making a (well not so simple) app to provide those features for meego only :) | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | and of course 1.2.1 again comes with new kernel (to fix that inception vulnerability), and sources again will not be available for weeks and months, and so will be open!mode-kernel | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks for that as well | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | not much use in building a 1.2 open!mode-kernel when the day we get the sources somebody publishes some crap that implicitly obsoletes it again | 23:54 |
| pa | what does 1.2.1 includes other than probably fixing that bug? | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | pa: check your connection, you got massive lag. your question came in 3 posts *after* my answer to it | 23:57 |
| pa | DocScrutinizer, your post talks about bugfixing (with new kernel) | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | a new kernel, even when just build with new version/date string, doesn't match the old modules, so... | 23:59 |
| pa | what else is supposed to be there? otherwise you could also not upgrade | 23:59 |
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