IRC log of #harmattan for Tuesday, 2012-03-06

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infobotupdate is, like,
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gabriel9guys here is one wallper which i fix for N900:42
rZrredak just hit app4meego store can you double check ?00:42
gabriel9i cant see redak00:46
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rZrtesting mode should be enabled i guess00:48
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ZogG_laptoprzr not there00:52
ZogG_laptoprzr checking from client with testing enabled00:53
ZogG_laptoprZr: lol, search found it though00:54
rZrthx guys00:54
ZogG_laptoprZr: so it's there00:54
ZogG_laptop5 stars already ? =)00:55
rZrwas testing my account :)00:55
gabriel9when will redak be aviable?00:55
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rZronce it gets 42 stars00:56
gabriel9damn this site, i cant download any app00:56
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ZogG_laptopgabriel9: which one?00:56
gabriel9apps for meego00:56
gabriel9ok i know it is for meego00:57
gabriel9but links should worl00:57
ZogG_laptopgabriel9: install client for it00:57
ZogG_laptopit's for n900:57
ZogG_laptopas well00:57
gabriel9is it safe? :)00:57
ZogG_laptoprZr: search shows it, though on recent tab can't see it00:57
ZogG_laptoprZr: hm, the icon is wierd00:58
rZrwell i have to go i'll check tomorow00:58
gabriel9why can't i download it on my Arch?00:58
gabriel9and then copy on N9 and then install :)00:58
rZrZogG_laptop: that icon lol i did use inkscape while on lsd :)00:58
gabriel9don't use LSD, i know dude which go crazy becouse of it X/00:59
rZri am not, dont need some, see my icons :-)01:00
rZrbybye thx for testing01:01
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mtdargh - where is the fenix / message store on disk?  I need to delete some mails...02:18
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itsnotabigtruckanyone on?03:20
itsnotabigtruckalso rzr: nice, re redak03:20
djszapianyone on -> again, no :)03:36
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itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: it's 2:47! sleep! :p03:45
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befr0dhi itsnotabigtruck, djszapi03:46
djszapijust woke up03:46
djszapiso no real reasons to sleep :)03:46
* djszapi is off to the airport soon for this PA sprint03:46
befr0dgood luck03:47
befr0dbring me something03:47
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: ah03:47
itsnotabigtruckhave a good time then03:47
ieatlintyour public appearance sprint?03:47
itsnotabigtruckieatlint: plasma active, probably03:47
ieatlintaww... was hoping for a personalized autograph03:47
djszapiieatlint: no, pants accessibility...03:48
ieatlintah.. yes, i hear pants can be challenging03:48
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djszapiieatlint: need to go there and tell them harmattan is the future xD03:53
djszapithe alive end phone.03:53
ieatlinti'm sure03:53
ieatlinteverything i hear tells me that nokia is just doing a massive troll with windows phone03:53
ieatlintand they're about to launch a dozen harmattan based phones, all without aegis03:54
SpeedEvilAnd with hardware 104 key keyboards.03:55
ieatlintyeah, and cpus that can actually rival their android counterparts03:55
* djszapi is in Android project since yesterday03:55
ieatlintjust keep telling yourself it could be worse03:56
ieatlintand enjoy the java03:56
djszapiit is the C/C++ layer where I am.03:56
ieatlintah, i see then03:57
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djszapibeford: yeah, a spark would be nice04:03
djszapi -> does it work for anybody ?04:13
djszapiseems they do not wanna me to check in online.04:13
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befr0dpermission denied04:14
djszapidamn aegis !!!04:14
ieatlintyeah, i installed aegis on my laptop, and now it won't even boot04:14
ieatlintit's pretty shitty04:14
djszapigood to hear there are ports.04:15
ieatlintis ok, i managed to disable bb5 on my phone and remove aegis at least04:18
djszapiprobably an app in ovi passed the qa ?04:18
djszapibefr0d: I might need your help with testing my command line argument parser for Qt5.04:30
djszapion Mac, that is.04:30
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itsnotabigtruck>>>>>>> <<<<<<<08:26
itsnotabigtruckit's here, and it works08:26
itsnotabigtruckeveryone is invited to #inception to talk about incepting things08:27
befr0dy u talk when nobody is on08:35
befr0dnice css08:37
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itsnotabigtruckbefr0d: i was aiming for everyone to notice it when they wake up, or reddit at work, or whatnot, in the EU08:46
itsnotabigtruckspeaking of that, any chance you could upvote the reddit post:
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befr0ddont have an account, let me register it08:48
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Sazpaimon_itsnotabigtruck, it would be nice if the inception site explained how it works09:05
itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon_: it's open source :D09:06
Sazpaimon_however, I can figure it out just by looking at the source09:06
Sazpaimon_I'm more or less referring to a layman's perspective09:06
itsnotabigtruckalso tmo thread >
Sazpaimon_also since I just finished saints row 3 again, I would rather reccomend this song:
Sazpaimon_just sayin09:08
qronicitsnotabigtruck, does it use some kind of kernel vuln?09:11
itsnotabigtruckqronic: nein09:12
itsnotabigtruckalso qronic Sazpaimon_: get in #inception while you incept! :D09:13
Sazpaimon_I actually might not run inception09:14
Sazpaimon_unless a time comes when I need full root09:14
Sazpaimon_there isn't right now, though09:15
itsnotabigtruckwell, it doesn't have any effect, negative or otherwise, if you don't install anything through it, and then it's ready when you need it09:15
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qronicjust noticed that pressing hold on the message in SMS list makes it darker when menu pops up [PR1.2]10:25
petteriitsnotabigtruck: seems nice!10:28
petteribut, hopefully it will not fragment the community10:29
leinirqronic: Yes? :)10:34
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qronicleinir, I mean messages in the list from the same sender, on PR1.1 it didn't10:35
leinirAah :)10:35
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spenapdjszapi: had a notification in the backlog about a QML issue10:54
spenapwhat was it?10:54
spenapdid you fix it already?10:54
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itsnotabigtruckpetteri: yeah, that's a real risk - hard to avoid though12:20
itsnotabigtruckspenap leinir: get incepted!12:20
petterimaybe i need another n9 to get incepted then12:21
petterimaybe a white one :P12:21
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Anssi138snow white.12:32
Anssi138own 'lumia'12:32
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infobotrumour has it, update is
infobotrumour has it, aegis-no-thanks is
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paitsnotabigtruck, are you there? im trying to flash to 1.2 finally, but when i plug usb, what mode should i put N9 in?12:57
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itsnotabigtruckpa: hey12:59
itsnotabigtruckno mode, you should have it powered off when you plug usb in12:59
itsnotabigtrucki'm assuming you're using flasher12:59
paah thats why :)12:59
itsnotabigtruckif you're using NSU, have it in sync and connect mode12:59
paturning it off13:00
itsnotabigtruckalso it's important you turn it off while it's not on usb13:00
itsnotabigtruckthen wait for the light to go out13:00
itsnotabigtruck(if you turned it off on usb, unplug it and wait a while)13:00
paok, i plugged in while off now, it shows up the battery icon, but flasher is still waiting13:03
panow it goes13:12
itsnotabigtruckwhat are some cool applications that were easy on maemo5, but are difficult on harmattan due to insufficient access13:14
DocScrutinizer51general notice: "shutting off" while plugged to USB is NOT AT ALL shutting off, it really simply changes to another init state (in sysV init speak), commonly known as ACT_DEAD13:15
itsnotabigtruckmore generally i need to figure out a less technical description of things INCEPTION makes possible13:15
DocScrutinizer51on HARM even your wlan SSH logins will survive this13:16
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer51: well, i was talking about "shutting off" from the user's perspective13:16
DocScrutinizer51so when RAMloading a kernel, the device seems to be 'off' but actually just is ACT_DEADing (unless you unplug from USB!) - so simply 'shut on' device after RAMloading kernel via flasher, DO NOT unplug from USB!13:19
DocScrutinizer51if you however want to shutoff, ALWAYS unplug13:22
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer51: where's that page with a list of ideas for things that would be possible, except for insufficient aegis permissions13:23
itsnotabigtruckit had things like system-wide torification and so on13:23
DocScrutinizer51somewhere on wiki iirc13:24
itsnotabigtruckyeah but i can't find it13:25
DocScrutinizer51search for javispedro's contributions13:26
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer51: got any sound-bite ideas for things to do with inception or openmode or whatever13:27
DocScrutinizer51sorry, I'm on n90013:27
itsnotabigtrucki already made a list on the inception page but it's probably a bit too technical13:27
DocScrutinizer51just lurking a bit during lunchbreak13:28
DocScrutinizer51consider me afk13:28
itsnotabigtruckfound the list13:29
denism"A Community SSU would be impossible." - works fine for me13:30
DocScrutinizer51please teach infobot about ~aegis-forbids13:30
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DocScrutinizer51~aegis-forbids is
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer5113:32
DocScrutinizer51~aegis-blocks is <reply>see aegis-forbids13:33
infobotDocScrutinizer51: okay13:33
khertanit s me or gitorious isn't working well despite their is ok13:33
khertangit clone give nothing13:34
khertanseems working now13:34
infobotmethinks aegis-forbids is
DocScrutinizer51~listkeys aegis13:35
infobotFactoid search of 'aegis' by key (9): paegis ;; aegis-forbids ;; aegis-blocks ;; aegis #DEL# ;; no-aegis ;; aegis-old ;; aegis-doc ;; aegis-no-thanks ;; aegis.13:35
itsnotabigtruckkhertan: get incepted! :D13:36
* DocScrutinizer51 waves and heads out for ending lunchbreak13:36
DocScrutinizer51~literal paegis13:37
infobot"paegis" is "the ~aegis policy, a short term used to make those happy who claim aegis is great and just the particular policy is flawed"13:37
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer51: then start writing a program that disables aegis through inception13:39
itsnotabigtruckreconfiguring the policy is a launchpad for whatever you want13:39
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pacool it worked13:49
pait looks a little bit more sluggish tho13:49
* dm8tbr rooted his harmattan devices by pushing the included 'developer mode' buttons...13:53
* dm8tbr shrugs13:53
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itsnotabigtrucklooks like i'm at the top of /r/gadgets (though that's a small subreddit)13:54
itsnotabigtruckdm8tbr: eh, i'm calling it rooted because that seemed like the most recognizable and appropriate term13:55
paby the way, how do i change the default lock screen (water drops) with something black?13:55
itsnotabigtruckafter all, root = all capabilities, and developer mode doesn't give you that13:55
dm8tbritsnotabigtruck: suite yourself *shrug*13:55
itsnotabigtruckdev mode is more like half-root13:55
dm8tbrI can check my uid and I'm root. that's root, yes root. what you did (whatever it was, didn't check) was obviously something very different.13:56
paitsnotabigtruck, have you done it already?13:56
itsnotabigtruckpa: it = ?13:57
itsnotabigtruckpa: not quite sure what you mean...i just published a program for rooting the n913:59
itsnotabigtruckso one would imagine i'd have already used it :p13:59
itsnotabigtruckand now that you've reflashed your N9, now's the time to load it up!14:00
qronicI'd call it jailbreak )14:00
paah you made it!14:01
padidnt get that part :)14:01
pabtw as soon as i have some time, i'll write the app to sync google contacts w groups14:02
pai checked the samples, and it look reasonably straightforward14:02
pa(using google api)14:02
* pa has to finish his slides now.. :'(14:03
itsnotabigtruckbtw kiitos, to whoever donated14:05
itsnotabigtruck(not sure if it's anyone here or not)14:05
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itsnotabigtruckqronic: but the iphone people have a pretty firm stake on that14:11
itsnotabigtruckalso iphone jailbreaks tend to be complicated and irreversible14:11
itsnotabigtruckwith apple having raised the stakes so high with all the back-and-forth14:11
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itsnotabigtruck!/itsnotabigtruck/status/177004362751676416 finally tweeted it14:20
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javispedrofinally got and uploaded harm pr1.2 sources...14:36
javispedroplease be kind on the server14:36
itsnotabigtruckjavispedro: two point seven jiggabytes!14:37
itsnotabigtruckawesome, thanks for uploading14:37
javispedrosame as the previous one14:37
itsnotabigtruckjavispedro: is there a bandwidth quota on that server14:41
itsnotabigtruckbetter put it up on some file hosting services or something that can take the hit14:41
javispedroin theory, not, in practice, maybe14:41
javispedroI was hoping someone else could mirror it14:41
itsnotabigtruck how about uploading onto that14:41
javispedrooh well, I can try14:42
itsnotabigtruckman, this is fast throughput though, i'm getting 2 MB/s right now14:44
javispedrobayfiles cuts me off after uploading around 400 MiB14:45
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javispedroseems they have some kind of misconfigured rate limit14:46
Corsacjavispedro: you asked for a cd again?14:46
javispedrono, this was the one I requested ages ago14:46
Corsacwant a mirror?14:46
javispedroyeah, I'd appreciate :)14:47
javispedroit should be pr1.2, I only briefly checked the kernel package and it seems to work14:47
infobotjavispedro meant: it should be pr1.2, I only briefly checked the kernel package and it seems to match14:47
itsnotabigtruckjavispedro: strange, what good is a 5 GB maximum if you can't upload that much14:48
Corsachnmh, is 7MB/s “beeing nice to the server”?14:48
itsnotabigtruckalso man, haven't seen you on IRC in a while14:48
itsnotabigtruckthis source code release is great timing with INCEPTION having been launched today14:48
itsnotabigtruck= time to make kernel modules14:49
javispedroflashy graphics14:49
javispedrois that another aegis crack?14:49
javispedronokia has been so far quite throughput in blocking all cracks in each aegis revision14:50
itsnotabigtruckjavispedro: let me take care of that part :)14:50
javispedrowhich is the reason the "official" open mode kernel should be promoted14:50
javispedrorembember that my goal was to avoid exactly THIS to happen14:51
itsnotabigtruckpromoting the "'official' open mode kernel" is why there's been near-zero development of open mode apps14:51
itsnotabigtruckyou can't have apps if you don't have users14:51
itsnotabigtruckthis is the way forward14:51
javispedrono, it is the way downwards, to the android way14:51
Corsachmhm, I missed that “open mode kernel” announcement14:52
itsnotabigtrucksometimes downward is the only way forward14:52
javispedroCorsac, there hasn't been any since PR1.2 because of the missing sources14:52
javispedroitsnotabigtruck, I disagree14:52
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javispedrobut then, that this is happening is half of the reason I'm being pushed away and more away from the platform14:52
Corsacjavispedro: hmhm, so how official was it?14:52
javispedroCorsac, in that they're not actively blocking it14:53
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javispedroor trying to block it...14:54
javispedrowell, g2g.14:54
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itsnotabigtruckCorsac: the "open mode kernel" is not official at all14:55
itsnotabigtruckhowever, the open mode facility itself is, sort of14:55
itsnotabigtrucknokia doesn't promote it at all, but they did implement it14:55
itsnotabigtruckenabling open mode basically lets you do the same thing INCEPTION does, but you have to completely reset your phone in the process to turn it on or off14:56
itsnotabigtruckit also displays a very ominous warning every time you power it on telling you that the warranty has been voided for all eternity and it's not nokia's fault if you cause your phone to catch fire14:57
itsnotabigtruckas you can tell i don't really like that particular route :p however, it's good that they implemented it14:57
denismrigo: sorry have partially missed the discussion. What is going on with Settings - Applications - Manage applications, click on Facebook in the list and "Uninstall" - what will be removed in this case? Isn't what do you need?14:58
rigodenism, if you "uninstall" the facebook application, you more or less "uninstall" your entire system as a matter of automatic dependencies14:59
itsnotabigtruckdenism: if you try to do that, it won't let you14:59
rigoso the conclusion was that the best thing one could do is just to ignore the application and not doing anything as you risk that ovi store or updates will not work again14:59
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itsnotabigtruckbut if you force it from the command line, what rigo said15:00
itsnotabigtruckit's possible to hack around it, but it's inadvisable unless it's really necessary15:00
rigoitsnotabigtruck, trouble is, in devel-mode it will let you and you have bricked your phone :(15:00
denismitsnotabigtruck: ok I see now, useless 'uninstall' here. I have uninstalled AP Mobile successfully :)15:00
itsnotabigtruck101 downloads of inception!15:01
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petterii only downloaded the source!15:20
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itsnotabigtruckpetteri: i'm only counting .deb downloads15:22
itsnotabigtrucknow go download the deb! :D15:22
rigoitsnotabigtruck, which soft?15:22
* rigo is curious15:22
khertan(hihi i ve looked at the source and the deb ... but without installing it :)15:22
itsnotabigtruckrigo: the news of the day:
petterii think you should track source downloads from nokia.com15:23
itsnotabigtruckno doubt there's been more than a couple15:24
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itsnotabigtrucknice, this time the .diff.gz files are there like they're supposed to be15:28
itsnotabigtruck(the pr1.1 sources iso was missing important things)15:28
rigo=> twitter, watch the stats ;)15:28
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gabriel9|workgreat tool inceptio15:42
marsjeoh, sounds interesting this inception15:47
khertangit push origin2 master15:48
khertanoups ... wrong windows15:48
khertanterminator xterm is great for splitting terminal but ... paste require more attention :)15:49
marsjewhenever I have multiple chats next to each other on the screen it goes wrong15:50
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marsjeso I don't do that anymore15:51
Jaffaitsnotabigtruck: BTW, how does Inception work?16:02
Jaffa.../what is it doing?16:02
itsnotabigtruckJaffa: well, you can read the source code16:04
itsnotabigtruckit goes multiple levels deep, hence the name :)16:04
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sivangre all!16:05
infobotaegis-no-thanks is probably
marsjeitsnotabigtruck: I think you should start thinking about a FAQ page :)16:06
itsnotabigtrucksivang: get incepted!16:06
sivanghmm, should i?16:07
sivangsivang: by what?16:07
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itsnotabigtruckmarsje: yeah...though it's hard to make documentation that's both thorough and enjoyable for the reader16:07
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itsnotabigtruckand it's not enjoyable to make enjoyable documentation16:07
* sivang wonders if there's any event up coming for N9 and 950 developers..16:08
itsnotabigtrucksivang: did you just highlight yourself? :p16:08
sivangitsnotabigtruck: I was not aware I could do that.16:08
itsnotabigtruck48 thankses on TMO so far16:09
faenilitsnotabigtruck, I've read something about you lately16:10
faenilwhat is it about and where can I know more?16:10
marsjeitsnotabigtruck: you are right... it's a balance what is less enjoyable, asnwering the same questions every time or writing them down once :)16:10
itsnotabigtruckfaenil: probably this:
Jaffaitsnotabigtruck: Ah, didn't see the source link16:10
marsjeitsnotabigtruck: so if I understand correctly, with inception I can install openvpn and mount my server's share using sshfs?16:11
itsnotabigtruckmarsje: for sshfs, if you can get it installed, you should be able to use it16:11
itsnotabigtruckopenvpn will require a bit more work16:11
itsnotabigtruckthe list of items on the page is more about what's possible, not what's available right now16:12
khertanyep require nat kern mod16:12
itsnotabigtruckand fortunately, the kernel source for 1.2 was just released today16:12
itsnotabigtruckwell, actually, the dvd arrived at javispedro's today16:12
itsnotabigtruckit's now available starting today, which is perfect timing16:12
marsjequite fast :)16:12
Jaffaitsnotabigtruck: javispedro's put the tarball online already16:12
marsjewhy don't they just put the sources online16:13
faenilitsnotabigtruck, seems nice :P reading16:13
marsjeafraid competitors might steal an abandoned platform?16:13
khertanso it's not stealing :)16:13
itsnotabigtruckJaffa: yeah, that's what i was trying to say16:14
itsnotabigtruckbtw if everyone could submit this to the tech blogs (engadget, slashgear, the verge, etc.) that would be awesome16:14
itsnotabigtrucki already did so but more = better16:14
javispedrodo you want it fixed even more urgently?16:15
itsnotabigtruckjavispedro: it's out, it's going to be fixed no matter what16:15
sivangoh, so inception is yet a cool new thingo for N95016:16
itsnotabigtruckand then i'll fix INCEPTION16:16
faeniljavispedro, hey! long time no chat :)16:16
itsnotabigtruckin the meantime, i want everyone and their dog getting incepted :p16:16
javispedroand you'll get into the cat and mouse game16:16
faeniljavispedro, any alternative?16:16
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itsnotabigtruckjavispedro: sounds better than doing nothing and whining about aegis on forums16:16
* javispedro sighs16:17
javispedroI know of a shitload of multiple aegis bugs16:17
khertanyeah ... but do not claim to much have breaking it ... as else ... they will probably lock it more16:17
* sivang never really got the problem with aegis, but oh well , he just plays with location based stuff and data collection and analysis apps :)16:17
javispedroand if you remember that rant I said that I think that starting this race is NOT the way I think things should go16:18
khertansivang: try to play with openvpn :)16:18
sivangkhertan: right, so incepted is suffering from aegis?16:18
sivangkhertan: I never really needed it, I just ssh or sftp for my stuff16:18
sivangkhertan: always worked16:18
faeniljavispedro, I remember your post...but it seems nothing changed much since then...16:18
faeniljavispedro, what's your plan?16:19
khertansivang: yeah but in france some isp suck so much that you need a vpn16:19
javispedrofaenil, well, there's sources now for another openmode kernel...16:19
faeniljavispedro, but irrc openmode had some problems with certificates or don't know what16:20
sivangkhertan: for 3G??16:20
faeniljavispedro, there were things not working correctly irrc16:20
javispedroI've not even been able to try them in pr1.216:20
faenilI meant in 1.1 :)16:21
khertansivang: yep16:21
itsnotabigtruckthat was quick, someone posted about inception on the official nokia forum and it's already deleted16:21
khertansivang: sfr for example have only port 80 or 443 open ...16:21
khertanitsnotabigtruck: normal16:22
sivangkhertan: crazy...16:22
sivangseriously, this is crazy16:22
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khertansivang: yep ... sfr ...16:26
khertansame with other phone isp16:26
khertanunlimited... until you reach the limit of xxMo and unlimited acess .. if you use only port 8016:26
rigokhertan, I'm on SFR and they have port 22 open and that means they have lost16:27
djszapispenap: yep, do you have any ideas for that ?16:27
rigoitsnotabigtruck, you should really put big disclaimers around inception. Did they really remove your post on the forum? Perhaps there is a rule that disallows advertisement for apps on the forum..16:29
itsnotabigtruckrigo: it wasn't my post16:33
itsnotabigtrucki'm not at all surprised it was removed, that being the official nokia support forum16:33
itsnotabigtruckand i have put big disclaimers around inception16:33
itsnotabigtruckboth on the download site and in the enabler script itself16:34
itsnotabigtruckand in order to get to the enabler script, the user has to acknowledge 3 different warnings from nokia16:34
itsnotabigtruck(enable unsigned warning, install unsigned warning, dev mode warning)16:34
arekinathit's not exactly a safari exploit to root your phone in one click16:35
khertanrigo: ? sfr on 3G ?16:36
khertanrigo: and you have port 22 open ?16:36
djszapisivang: hey man :)16:36
djszapifrom darmstadt :p16:36
khertanrigo: which ap port did you use ? in which country?16:36
khertanrigo: s/ap port/ap name16:37
rigoSFR is FR and have always used my N9 to provide a hotspot for my laptop16:37
rigoand then I ssh into my networked machine and use socks proxies and tunneling for everything16:38
khertanyeah ... you use ssh tunneling via port 22 ...16:39
khertanbut how did you do tunneling on n9 ? :)16:40
rigodeveloper mode installs openssh16:40
rigoand a terminal16:41
rigoand in the terminal, you do ssh -nNf target server target ports etc16:41
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rigoor you use the N9 hotspot and do the ssh from your laptop16:41
spenapdjszapi: can you repeat the question? didn't find it in the backlog16:41
khertanrigo: yeah the problem is that i want the tunnel on the n9 :) not on the laptop that i didn't use :)16:51
sivangdjszapi: hey there!16:54
sivangdjszapi: dramstadt! fun16:54
sivangdjszapi: what for?16:54
djszapisivang: for a lot of fun, like the last DS, remember ? :)16:55
sivangdjszapi: is there a meeting there I'm not aware of?16:55
* sivang likes .de16:56
itsnotabigtrucknewsflash: apparently the flash player just arrived16:57
sivangdjszapi: ah, plasma active love16:57
itsnotabigtruckinception, pr1.2 sources, and flash all on the same day, hah16:57
sivangdjszapi: if only I resided in eu...16:57
Iktwoitsnotabigtruck: can't install it16:57
rigokhertan, from the N9 you use the terminal to ssh and you use opera and configure the socks proxy in there16:58
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itsnotabigtruckIktwo: what do you mean?16:58
rigobe sure to use as the proxy and not localhost. The latter hasn't worked for me, but I dunno why16:58
IktwoI can't install flash, I get an error, I have firefox (from store)16:59
* rigo should perhaps write the config down on homepage16:59
Iktwoand I get an error "unable to trace dependencies"16:59
rigoIktwo: this is actually a GREAT thing :)16:59
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itsnotabigtruckbtw Iktwo: get incepted16:59
rigono flash is a feature, not a bug :)16:59
Iktwoitsnotabigtruck: I'm about to :D17:00
itsnotabigtruckyay :)17:00
rigocome on, not for flash :-}17:00
TronicAny apps for inception yet?17:01
itsnotabigtrucklong message incoming17:02
itsnotabigtruck Depends: libc6 (>= 2.4), libcontentmanager0, libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libdbus-qeventloop1, libfontconfig1 (>= 2.8.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.4.8), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.3.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgstreamer0.10-0 (>= 0.10.34), libmeegotouchcore0, libmeegotouchextensions0, libmeegotouchsettings0, libpulse0 (>= 0.9.19), libqmsystem2, libqtcore4 (>= 4.7.4~git20110728-pr11), libqtgui4 (>= 4.7.4~git20110728-pr11),17:02
itsnotabigtrucklibresource0, libresourceqt1, libsaveas, libstdc++6 (>= 4.4.0), libtimed0 (>= 2.37), libx11-6 (>= 2:1.4.3-0-meego1241+0m6), libxext6 (>= 0), libxml2 (>= 2.6.27), libxt6, libcurl317:02
itsnotabigtruckprobably should have pastebinned that17:02
itsnotabigtruckanyway, those are the flash player dependencies17:02
IktwoI guess I need to enable N9 repo17:03
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itsnotabigtruckTronic: well, opensh17:09
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khertanrigo: it s ok for opera, i know how to use tunneling ... but you cannot configure proxy for all apps17:13
khertanrigo: this is why tun/tap is needed as kernel module17:14
khertanrigo: and yes no flash is a feature17:14
khertani agree17:14
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javispedrotun is already on stock17:19
javispedrobuiltin even iirc17:19
SpeedEvilWhat's this about flash?17:23
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qronichm, can't get flash playing17:27
qronicdoes it mentioned on Extension options screen in FF?17:27
befordI dont think so, try about:plugins17:27
javispedroSpeedEvil: supposedly mozilla licensed flash 11 for the n917:28
ZogG_laptopbtw why didn't they mentioned that's only for ff?17:29
qronicbeford, libflashplayer 10.1 is there17:29
javispedroit's the builtin browser the one that does not support npapi plugins17:29
javispedroprobably, if you install another npapi based browser, the flash plugin will work (chromium?)17:30
qronicstrangely doesn't see it17:30
rigokhertan, what apps do you need to invoke? I do not assume you want to do torrent on 3G ;)17:30
befordqronic, try that17:30
qronic"you have flash ... installed"17:31
beford... ? xD17:31
befordweird yea17:31
qronicversion 10.1.... blah-blah17:32
qronicyoutube works, though17:32
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Sazpaimon_[09:57] <itsnotabigtruck> newsflash: apparently the flash player just arrived17:41
Sazpaimon_is it in the store?17:42
itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon_: yeah17:42
Sazpaimon_[10:02] <itsnotabigtruck> anyway, those are the flash player dependencies17:42
Sazpaimon_no gles dependency?17:42
Sazpaimon_thats not good17:42
itsnotabigtruckbtw if you guys could submit INCEPTION to tech blog sites i'd really appreciate it17:42
Sazpaimon_can someone ldd the flash player library?17:43
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Sazpaimon_make sure its being linked against gles17:43
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itsnotabigtrucki've already done so but i guess it hasn't shown up on the radar yet17:44
Sazpaimon_itsnotabigtruck, did you call it a jailbreak? Thats the only way tech bloggers will understand it17:45
meceSazpaimon_, I tried super mario world flash, it was slow.17:46
rigoha, now my emial client is crashing every time I try to move to another folder17:46
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rigoSazpaimon_, as there is no jail, hard to call it a "jailbreak" but also hard to sell "I have insecured my phone" :)17:47
tehdelyhow do i get flash ?17:48
mecetehdely, install firefox and flashplayer from ovi store17:48
tehdelyoh it's on the store? righteous17:48
tehdelyi've never been this happy to install Flash on anything (lol)17:48
itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon_: i called it rooting the N917:49
meceit's quite nice IMO. Not that I actually have missed flash on my N950, but still nice that it came.17:49
itsnotabigtruckjailbreak is too heavily associated with the iphone17:49
tehdelythere were a few sites where flash for Symbian came in handy17:49
tehdelyso it's nice to have it on my N917:49
khertanrigo: email for example, but i don't want to change conf at home on wifi ... and in 3G :)17:49
Sazpaimon_so where does get installed17:49
itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon_: somewhere in opt17:49
mecehmm update to skype... I wonder.17:49
khertanhow time does it takes to the cobs to put a package in the repository after building it ?17:50
Sazpaimon_ldd says its compiled with libglesv2.so17:50
mececould someone with an N9 tell me what version their account-plugin-skype is?17:50
Sazpaimon_so that's a relief17:50
meceN9 and pr1.217:50
khertanmine isn't still in the cobs repository 4 hours later17:50
Sazpaimon_anyone want to try throwing this file on an N900?17:50
itsnotabigtruckkhertan: your repository, or apps for meego17:51
Sazpaimon_its worth a try17:51
tehdelynow can someone port openjdk :P17:51
befordopenjdk is already working, not sure if released though17:51
Sazpaimon_this is the most vanilla linux optimized flash player we can get17:51
khertanitsnotabigtruck: my repository ...17:52
Sazpaimon_oh wait17:52
mecehere's the openjdk thread on fmc:
Sazpaimon_our libflashplayer is probably compiled for hardfp17:52
Sazpaimon_so it wont work on fremantle17:52
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Sazpaimon_oh well17:52
tehdelythe one site where i need flash to work17:53
tehdelyworks :)17:53
tehdelyswell map shows up on my phone:
mecenice :)17:53
tehdelyok my life is complete17:53
itsnotabigtruckkhertan: this one?
Sazpaimon_if anyone still wants to try it, please do and post results17:53
Sazpaimon_otherwise I will17:53
khertanitsnotabigtruck: yep, should be in
khertanitsnotabigtruck: but not17:53
itsnotabigtruckkhertan: nope17:53
itsnotabigtrucker, maybe17:53
befordSazpaimon_, freemangordon is asking for the deb to try it on freemantle17:53
itsnotabigtruckbeford: you can download .debs for free apps by sticking /download after the content id17:54
Sazpaimon_beford, I'll try and capture it then17:54
Sazpaimon_oh really?17:54
Sazpaimon_I usually just grab it from /var/ when it's downloading17:54
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itsnotabigtrucknote that it's against the ovi rules to republish the signed deb (not sure how the enforceability works...)17:54
itsnotabigtruckeven if it's your own app (especially if it is)17:55
befordwow that worked :P17:55
javispedro(or you can use the command line ovi store client for debs you bought)17:55
Sazpaimon_my guess is that it will crash microb/firefox with a floating point exception17:55
rigokhertan, email works for me out of the box without tunneling. Only surfing doesn't work. Looks like different subscriptions17:55
khertannow i understand why there are so few app in apps.formeego ...17:56
khertanrigo: probably17:56
itsnotabigtruckkhertan: fwiw it worked fine for my 3 debs17:56
Sazpaimon_itsnotabigtruck, you should try submitting inception to the nokia store to see how QA reacts17:57
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e-yes[mac] -- FYI: BME protocol reversed17:58
itsnotabigtrucke-yes[mac]: nice17:59
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Sazpaimon_e-yes[mac], this applies to fremantle too, yes?17:59
meceIs there supposed to be skype video calling in pr1.2 btw?18:00
khertanitsnotabigtruck: depends if you are lucky or not ... some time debs are moved to the ... sometime not18:00
javispedroe-yes, hmm?18:00
javispedroe-yes, have you seen the years old hald-addon-bme?18:00
javispedrobtw flash seems to be softfp18:01
Sazpaimon_softfp doesnt really work well n hardfp18:01
Sazpaimon_not as bad as vice versa, but still18:02
javispedro*softfloat =)18:02
javispedroit will work very well if they statically link every fp function they need, which they seem to be doing18:02
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Sazpaimon_wow, that's really not smart18:02
javispedroactually, they are shipping an entire softfloat libm18:02
paitsnotabigtruck, what was the sleeve you wanted to buy? (code)18:03
Sazpaimon_but its closed source so whatever18:03
Sazpaimon_closed source linux binaries tend to do really stupid stuff18:03
javispedroSazpaimon_, I cannot even imagine the pain mozilla had to endure with this...18:03
javispedrobetter be very, very thankful :)18:03
Sazpaimon_javispedro, I dont think mozilla compiled this18:03
Sazpaimon_but who knows18:03
Sazpaimon_I dont know the licensing process for flash player18:04
meceOoooyeah! Full youtube :) Feels like N900 <318:04
itsnotabigtruckpa: maybe this one?
javispedroSazpaimon_, I don't either, but they probably did the final linking18:04
Sazpaimon_are you given the source under NDA, or do you just tell adobe your requirements and they compile it18:04
javispedrowhich is the pain part :)18:04
Sazpaimon_theyre probably given the .o's18:04
meceerm... if flash has softfp, it should work on N900.. am I wrong?18:05
Sazpaimon_either way that makes it more hopeful for fremantle18:05
Sazpaimon_mece, thats what Im implyibng18:05
Sazpaimon_looking at ldd output, I belive fremantle has everything that the .so requires18:05
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pa553 i like18:05
Sazpaimon_its mostly qt and dbus libraries18:05
Sazpaimon_well, actually18:06
Sazpaimon_i see a dependency on libaegis-crypto18:06
ZogG_laptopmece: \o/18:06
javispedroSazpaimon_, don't use ldd18:06
Sazpaimon_oh, there seems to be some libmeegotouch dependencies too18:06
Sazpaimon_javispedro, its easier than readelf18:07
Sazpaimon_especially on the N918:07
Sazpaimon_too much output scroll trough18:07
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Sazpaimon_actually why am I typing on the N9, I'm using wifi hotspot right now18:07
javispedrobut aegis-crypto is probably not a direct dep18:07
* Sazpaimon_ opens ssh18:07
Sazpaimon_javispedro, yeah I dont doubt that these libraries can be replaced with stub files18:08
javispedromeegotouch on the other hand is a direct dep18:08
javispedroas is qmsystem, etc.18:08
Sazpaimon_why the dependency on meegotouch though18:08
javispedronot very portable18:08
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Sazpaimon_well, I'd like to see what symbols it uses first18:09
javispedrovideo playback is accelerated18:10
Sazpaimon_thank god18:10
Sazpaimon_people on TMO were complaining that we only get 10.118:10
mecethey need to be slapped.18:10
Sazpaimon_instead of hoping for hwacceleration18:10
Sazpaimon_especially when flash 11 brings nothing to the table for us to really benefit from18:11
Sazpaimon_readelf -sd output18:12
meceI'm very happy with this. I think it was a very good idea to go with firefox instead of stock browser too.18:12
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javispedroSazpaimon_, you forgot -W18:14
Sazpaimon_oh right18:15
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Sazpaimon_mece, they went with firefox because the stock browser has no plugin support18:15
Sazpaimon_oh he left18:15
tehdelythat's alright, i wanted to know that18:16
tehdelyyour line of chat is not in vain18:16
javispedrowith -W and c++filt you can now read from that pastebin the names of the MTF stuff used18:16
javispedroMApplication* for a start18:16
itsnotabigtruckis that a thing?18:19
Sazpaimon_ FIXED18:19
itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon_: pretty sure the thread says happs, lol18:20
Sazpaimon_i meant *caps for me18:21
ZogG_laptopkhertan: submit to if not yet18:21
Sazpaimon_anyway yeah, there's a ton of meegotouch symbols being used18:21
Sazpaimon_that doesnt bode well for fremantle18:21
khertanZogG_laptop: before ... cobs should move the package so could test it ... but this fuckiung things works when it s want18:21
Sazpaimon_gotta wonder what the purpose of that was for18:22
khertanZogG_laptop: but isn't updated18:22
ZogG_laptopkhertan: yeah but i preffer from repo with client so i can get updates18:23
ZogG_laptopbtw who was fingerterm devs?18:23
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Sazpaimon_flash seems to crash on my roxana version of firefox18:29
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Sazpaimon_the autobuilds of firefox18:35
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khertanZogG_laptop: you prefer from repo with client ... but before ... i need obs to works ... else i can 't publish it to community apps.formeego18:36
ZogG_laptopX-Fade: ^18:36
itsnotabigtruckkhertan: i suspect it has something to do with your OBS build flags and things18:36
itsnotabigtruckmaybe it's the publish flag18:36
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Sazpaimon_sorry, I meant romaxa18:37
Sazpaimon_i can never remember thatname18:37
ZogG_laptopSazpaimon_: romaxa?18:37
Sazpaimon_ this18:38
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Sazpaimon_looks like the flash player library has some special gui elements18:45
Sazpaimon_rather than a plain right click menu18:46
itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon_ ZogG_laptop: any chance you guys could submit inception to some tech blogs (if you haven't done so already)18:49
* javispedro thinks you are making too much noise18:49
javispedroit can be fixed even without a full pr, it just needs the dev package updated18:50
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Sazpaimon_it looks like the meegotouch dependencies come from the long-press event18:51
Sazpaimon_to launch a fullscreen session of a flash file18:51
Sazpaimon_longpressing a flash brings up a little bar on the header with two buttons18:51
Sazpaimon_thats my best guess18:51
javispedroseems that is the case18:52
javispedroin any case, MTF is available on fremantle, albeit I don't know how it'll react to being embedded in a Gtk+ app18:53
javispedroprobably not very good...18:53
Sazpaimon_does microb run plugins in a seperate process?18:54
javispedromicrob runs everything on a separate process, browserd18:54
Sazpaimon_it may not work well if that's not the case18:54
Sazpaimon_it'd have to be used on the Qt version of fennec only18:54
Sazpaimon_which used to be available for fremantle on mozilla's website18:55
Sazpaimon_not anymore18:55
javispedromicrob also has a qt version btw =) probably not very useful here as I don't think it was ever finished18:55
javispedrobut it is available in the old microb svn18:55
Sazpaimon_I thought the gui was closed18:55
javispedroand it is -- microb is the engine18:56
Sazpaimon_sorry, when you were referring to qt, I thought you meant there was a qt version of tablet-browser-ui18:56
DocScrutinizer51hi javispedro !18:57
DocScrutinizer51long time no see18:57
matrixxdoes anyone use custom password in madde?18:57
DocScrutinizer51itsnotabigtruck: the ISO will pop up on in a 'few minutes'18:57
matrixxI have a problem with 1.2, it forgots my custom pw in a second I press the back button in the sdk-connection tool :(18:57
javispedroDocScrutinizer, danke schön!18:57
RST38hjavispedro: moooo!18:58
RST38hjavispedro: what's up?18:58
javispedroDocScrutinizer, I hope it does not cause you any problems, if it does, I might look for another rapidshare-style site18:58
RST38hhow is MWC? =)18:58
Sazpaimon_i wish there was a way to trigger the vkb on the flash player18:58
Sazpaimon_but i guess that would make it inconvenient to use18:58
javispedroRST38h, missed it, I was in the states for a week and a few days18:58
DocScrutinizer51javispedro: no issues at all18:59
javispedroactually NYC and raleigh18:59
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, how was the US? :)18:59
DocScrutinizer51hey, and GeneralAntilles :-D18:59
Sazpaimon_he was in NYC, so his answer is probably "cold"18:59
RST38hwas raleigh suitable dreary and soul wrenching? =)18:59
DocScrutinizer51GeneralAntilles: hi to you too! :-D18:59
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javispedroGeneralAntilles, nyc was pretty unsurprising :) raleigh was surprising though, the atmosphere is quite different19:00
GeneralAntillesEverywhere that's not NYC is quite different from NYC. *g*19:01
javispedroalso, seems that mrs. obama was on raleigh on the same dates19:01
javispedroso I got to see snipers on the roof *g*19:02
Sazpaimon_joe biden went to a restaurant I used to work at19:02
Sazpaimon_the entire place flodded with plain dressed guys with ear pieces, an then he walked in19:02
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Sazpaimon_he ordered his burgers well done, though19:03
Sazpaimon_no taste19:03
GeneralAntillesIt's Biden. No surprise.19:03
Myname24Hello . Plz can someone upload osa.list file from etc/apt/sources.list.d because i accidentaly deleted it and now I can't download anything from the store19:04
Sazpaimon_I figured when you become that high in public office you arent allowed to eat undercooked meat from outside the whitehouse kitchen19:04
javispedroa pity, I wanted to go geocaching. But didn't seem like a good idea with all those 20-something inches rifles around.19:04
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, yeah, don't mess around with America's political class.19:05
GeneralAntillesYou'll end up in gitmo and then we'll never hear from you again.19:05
Sazpaimon_that was the only logical reason I could come up withe19:05
Sazpaimon_either that or he had no taste19:05
GeneralAntillesIt's Biden.19:05
GeneralAntillesHe had no taste.19:06
RST38hyou mean, wrong rifles?19:06
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Sazpaimon_nothing makes me more angry than well done meat >:(19:06
Sazpaimon_except bacon19:07
GeneralAntillesHow do we get the fancy new Flash for Harmattan?19:07
GeneralAntillesNo Firefox updates from Ovi.19:07
Sazpaimon_GeneralAntilles, ovi store19:07
Sazpaimon_its a seperate package19:07
javispedroGeneralAntilles, look up "flashplayer" in ovi19:07
GeneralAntillesAlso: is there a good way to clear out SMS histories?19:07
GeneralAntillesthe messaging-ui is slowly eating up all of my RAM and CPU.19:08
Sazpaimon_are those still stred in a db file?19:08
Sazpaimon_if so, you could delete them from the sqlite commandline19:08
javispedroRST38h, can't say I ever had so many guns pointing at me, so no idea about the right size =)19:09
RST38hjavispedro: man, you have got a real American experience, as I see...19:09
RST38hSazpaimon: should be stored in tracker db19:09
GeneralAntillesShould come to FL next time. We'll let you point them instead of pointing them at you. :P19:10
javispedrohehe, really hoped to but no time19:11
GeneralAntillesNY is the wrong state to go shooting in.19:11
RST38hWrong time to go to FL though,still can't swim19:11
RST38hMay though...19:12
GeneralAntilles(They were probably using Remington 700-type rifles which are 20-26", so 20-something inches is correct)19:12
itsnotabigtruckGeneralAntilles: been incepted yet?19:13
DocScrutinizer51this day been one of those that cut thru my battery pretty much 100% in 11h19:13
DocScrutinizer51lots a traffic, uh?19:14
GeneralAntillesRST38h, hey, Tampa Bay's already into the mid-70s.19:14
GeneralAntillesitsnotabigtruck, I don't fly commercial. *g*19:14
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RST38hGeneral: lucky19:14
GeneralAntillesWell, mostly because I don't have anywhere to be. *g*19:14
* RST38h looks outside: -6oC, snow, ice.19:14
javispedrowinter already mostly ended here too, 21ºC19:15
GeneralAntilles23°C here today19:15
RST38hstill one month to go here19:15
javispedroNC was very wet and humid already, guess it was pre-tornado climate =)19:17
javispedro(another part of the american experience? ;P )19:17
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GeneralAntillesThe Carolinas are always humid.19:17
RST38hnot as important as a TSA search though19:18
RST38hdiffers with the state, although most of East Coast is going to be hot/humid by European standards19:19
GeneralAntillesIf you weren't molested by an irritable, public-sector, unionized thug then contact your local US Embassy for a full refund.19:19
javispedrohe was only interested in my right pocket for some reason19:19
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javispedrothat cancer-causing machine must have some kind of allergy to the pocket where I keep my N95019:20
RST38hcontact your local US Embassy to be molested by an irritable public-sector thug, indeed19:20
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javispedroor shot. from a roof.19:21
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RST38hjavispedro: this latter service is available in selected countries only19:25
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DocScrutinizerETA ISO: 15min19:32
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: got a md5sum?19:34
javispedrochecksumming as of now...19:36
javispedrofun thing19:36
javispedroI got a DVD+R, containing a single file19:36
javispedrothe .iso19:36
DocScrutinizerHEY COOL19:37
* DocScrutinizer pukes a bit on TC explaining 'cloud'19:37
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DocScrutinizerTV actually19:39
DocScrutinizerwhat's that kernel stuff?19:40
javispedroprobably the source tarball most people are interested in19:41
DocScrutinizeraah, ok. So an excerpt19:41
DocScrutinizerwill mirror that as well19:41
javispedroI'm interested in all of them though, no way to build -dbg packages otherwise...19:41
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javispedroit seems that whatever sdk infrastructure was there, is rotting and rotting19:42
RST38hnobody is interested any more19:43
DocScrutinizerNploa is using redmond (based) crap internally - I *bet*19:48
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admiral0DocScrutinizer: <3 <319:56
admiral0want my iptables_nat19:56
DocScrutinizer[jr@lagrange 1.2]$ md5sum -c md5sums.txt19:57
DocScrutinizer30.2012.03-5_sources.iso: OK19:57
DocScrutinizerkernel_2.6.32-20115101+0m7.dsc: OK19:57
DocScrutinizerkernel_2.6.32-20115101+0m7.tar.gz: OK19:57
rZrkhertan: hi19:58
rZrgithub is for hackerz19:58
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admiral0hey javispedro :)20:00
javispedrobtw what do you americans have with ice? when searching for a hotel, the most common negative review overall was "the ice machine does not work"20:00
rZrhumm ice cream20:01
javispedroand a request for "some ice" got converted into a lemonade glass that was 50% ice20:01
MohammadAGWhats this inception people speak of20:01
MohammadAGYes im still alive, i havent gone anywhere, my bouncer was just down for quite a long time and i was too lazy to connect manually20:02
javispedroMohammadAG, hey, today is reunion day20:02
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, I don't get that either.20:02
GeneralAntillesI think it's a Yankee thing.20:02
admiral0inception practically uses a bug in aegis20:02
GeneralAntillesMohammadAG, hey-oh! :)20:02
admiral0and then signs packages with local key20:03
MohammadAGjavispedro: I thought today is some jewish holiday20:03
admiral0nice toy20:03
MohammadAGOr was that tomorrow20:03
MohammadAGHeya GeneralAntilles20:03
MohammadAGNeed a raspberry pi20:03
admiral0i'll get one soon :P20:03
javispedrooh, so they shipped?20:03
MohammadAGGonna try to assemble my own in car pc20:03
* DocScrutinizer hands out some drinks, and starts the party music20:04
admiral0it's just that i'm in the 400 reserved qtonpi20:04
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MohammadAGDjzapi's not here, whos the DJ?20:04
javispedroI think that any day now they'll do ala pandora and say they lost an entire stock of 40000 units in the costa concordia disaster20:04
MohammadAGYou're a DS, not a DJ20:05
GeneralAntillesDisc Stud?20:05
DocScrutinizerbear with me, my generation has NFC what's a DS20:05
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer intials, but Disc Stud works20:05
* admiral0 is sad. lives in italy...20:06
MohammadAGOh and one more thing20:06
DocScrutinizerany reason to be sad??20:06
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admiral0costa concordia20:06
admiral0and stupid schettino...20:06
MohammadAGHi Mohammad  Sending device to Israel is a problematic due to the custom restriction.  Is there any other address in EU/ USA I can send the lumia 800 to you20:06
MohammadAGCustom restriction eh20:07
DocScrutinizererr, NOKIA?20:07
javispedroMohammadAG, I have several dumpyard addresses20:07
MohammadAGjavispedro: Its that bad?20:07
javispedrooh, you won't believe it20:07
DocScrutinizerI guess they work well20:08
javispedroI lent it to my sister yesterday20:08
MohammadAGI did development for ios btw, it was, fun20:08
javispedroa few minutes ago I got a panic call from her saying that it's getting random calls20:08
MohammadAGLending it to someone is always a possibility yeah20:08
DocScrutinizer(the dumpyards)20:08
MohammadAGOr selling it, i guess20:08
MohammadAGBut id really love to have a look at it, after all i sorta earned it?20:09
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: sell it via ebaeh and promise 110% factory fresh20:09
MohammadAGMy guess it that my n950 issue is the customs restriction20:09
DocScrutinizerthen change shipping addr20:09
admiral0MohammadAG: ios development fun?20:09
MohammadAGadmiral0: Tbh yes20:09
MohammadAGThe UI toolkit is awesome20:09
admiral0MohammadAG: obj-c calls are too verbose20:09
admiral0it's something i hate personally20:10
MohammadAGNo UI toolkit surpasses is20:10
MohammadAGObj-C is weird to me, but i like the ui toolkit again20:10
DocScrutinizerwho gives a fsck about UI when there's no kernel to hack on?20:10
MohammadAGThe storyboard concept is also cool20:10
MohammadAGThere is, with payloads20:10
MohammadAGOf course the changes cant be that big....20:11
javispedrosoon there'll be no kernel20:11
MohammadAGBut seriously20:11
MohammadAGUIKIt mops the floor with MTF20:11
DocScrutinizeranyway, have fun kids! I'm off for some leisure time now. Ping me if sth odd with
javispedroI listened to a talk about some university changing their OS project course to center it on the android kernel instead of linux...20:12
RST38hMohammadAG: iPhone? Really?20:12
MohammadAGQML is abstract, i dont consider it a ui toolkit20:12
admiral0what about win8 dudes :D
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DocScrutinizershould be good for all the DL bandwidth you can possibly find20:12
RST38hjavispedro: And this will pass, too.20:12
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MohammadAGRST38h: Yes, just look at the ui toolkit20:12
javispedroDocScrutinizer, again, danke schön! much appreciated.20:12
DocScrutinizerYW, all thanks to YOU!20:13
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, *facepalm*20:13
MohammadAGAnyway my app is simple20:14
MohammadAGIt kinda shows how facebook checkins simply expose peoples locations20:14
javispedroMohammadAG, is it on the apple app store? are you filthy rich already? :D20:14
admiral0javispedro: don't joke about it. For software engineering i can't escape coding in fscking java20:14
MohammadAGNo, i have an unsigned ipa though20:14
GeneralAntillesWhose Audi?20:14
MohammadAGThats Zeppelin, an ios tweak that fakes carrier logos20:15
MohammadAGBut anyway, i found out where a girl lives through my app20:16
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MohammadAGCause she checked into her house20:16
DocScrutinizerhah, I know of 5 girls' addr, without your app ;-P20:16
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javispedronext time call the app "please rob me" ;P20:17
RST38hpretty small package too20:17
MohammadAGGeneralAntilles: 18+ year old girl, disregard DS's comment20:17
DocScrutinizerso, who's going to build the open!mode-kernel_1.220:17
GeneralAntillesMohammadAG, regardless. :P20:18
MohammadAGGeneralAntilles: And i was browsing the neighborhood, not looking for her :p20:18
MohammadAGRST38h: IPAs are zip riles20:18
MohammadAGThe extension's just changed20:18
RST38hOh fuck they have just abolished the Android Market20:19
RST38h.apks are no different20:19
MohammadAGDebs are20:19
MohammadAGIn a way20:19
javispedrowinphone7 apps are also zips20:19
MohammadAGBtw, the iphone jailbreak community has one small flaw20:19
MohammadAGUsing com.something.packagename for deb names20:19
MohammadAGYou can have for example20:19
MohammadAGAnd both would be the same app with a different name20:20
GeneralAntillesRST38h, huh?20:20
MohammadAGAnyway, that would cause dpkg to bitch about overwriting files20:20
MohammadAGIm getting fast on the ipad20:20
javispedroMohammadAG, the older meego packaging rules also specified that you should use that reversed.domain.notation20:21
javispedroand /opt/reverse.domain.notation/ as path prefix20:21
GeneralAntillesRST38h, ah, interesting.20:21
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javispedroheh, ipad320:22
GeneralAntillesOh shit.20:22
GeneralAntillesMass Effect 3 gets here today.20:22
javispedromust admit that if they really quad the resolution, it would be an interesting move20:22
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MohammadAGjavispedro: Why20:23
MohammadAGI dnt get it, it simply causes more problems20:23
* MohammadAG tames autocorrect20:23
MohammadAGjavispedro: Yeah, was thinking about buying apple stocks yesterday20:23
DocScrutinizeruhuh, inception20:23
javispedroMohammadAG, just interesting, not saying it would be better or worse, but it would be virtually a first for apple to do such a specbump move20:24
MohammadAGjavispedro: I was talking about package names20:24
MohammadAGThe resolution would be a better move20:24
javispedroMohammadAG, heh =) well, blame java-influenced guys20:24
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bluesleedamn, so many maemo man power in the last minutes here:-)20:24
RST38hOMG, MohammadAG has got infected20:25
MohammadAGBut it'll cause problems20:25
MohammadAGSome apps scale, most of the app store needs to be rewritten20:25
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer, I feel like I'm missing an inside joke.20:25
MohammadAGGames will suck20:25
MohammadAGThe iPad is pix20:25
MohammadAGPixelated btw20:25
RST38hsuper high resolution leads to a few novel usage models though20:25
MohammadAGOh and using a capacitive pen, sucks20:25
MohammadAGI miss digitizers20:26
DocScrutinizerI just heard rumours somebody published a aegis-rooter today, called inception20:26
RST38hMohammad: Samsung Note20:26
DocScrutinizerI bet I can guess the name of the author20:26
* RST38h has been fighting the urge to buy Samsung Note for months now20:26
MohammadAGRST38h: Got my hands on a Wacom bamboo20:26
RST38hyea, but it is just an input device20:26
javispedroGeneralAntilles, are there are signs pointing to the final ME3 being substantially better than the demo?20:26
RST38hvery very nice input device, indeed, but no display20:26
MohammadAGUsing it on the iPad, app provided by Wacom is good but the rest sucks20:26
javispedro(which I didn't play but I did watch the youtube videos ranting about the high quality animations)20:26
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, dunno, didn't play the demo.20:27
MohammadAGRST38h: Bamboo stylus, not the slate itself20:27
RST38hThe Note is a 5.3" (!) pocketable device with an inductive stylus (!)20:27
GeneralAntillesI'm only concerned about the story.20:27
MohammadAGAgain, inductive styli aren't that good20:27
GeneralAntillesHopefully EA didn't go all-out and poop it up like they tried to with ME2.20:27
MohammadAGI mss gaming20:27
RST38hMohammad: Well, it does the job for Note20:28
MohammadAGHaven't played a good game since like, August20:28
RST38hMohammad: It is no bamboo though20:28
itsnotabigtruckrzr: have you been incepted yet? :p20:28
GeneralAntillesMohammadAG, did you play Bastion?20:28
MohammadAGBamboo stylus RST38h20:28
MohammadAGGeneralAntilles: No20:28
MohammadAGLast game I bought was portal 2 I thnk20:28
GeneralAntillesMohammadAG, do. It rocks.20:28
MohammadAGOr was it killzone 320:28
MohammadAGGeneralAntilles: Uni, no time20:28
GeneralAntillesIt's also pretty cheap now, too.20:28
GeneralAntillesAlso: short20:29
MohammadAGI don't have my ps3 with me20:29
GeneralAntillesBlah blah blah20:29
GeneralAntillesHow's school?20:29
MohammadAGFrom 8:30 till 4 everyday sucks20:31
MohammadAGAnd Jewish holidays aren't a lot20:31
MohammadAGBasically I only get Thursday to Saturday off20:31
javispedroGeneralAntilles, I did try to force myself to finish ME2 and it was horrible20:31
MohammadAGWell, Friday since I finish at 4 Thursdays20:31
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, I greatly enjoyed ME2.20:32
GeneralAntillesFinished it in 2 days, almost straight through. :<20:32
GeneralAntillesMohammadAG, working?20:32
javispedroI dislike shooters, and ME1 didn't felt like one20:32
GeneralAntillesAh, yeah, there was that change.20:32
MohammadAGGeneralAntilles: Don't really have the time for that20:32
MohammadAGI barely have time to study20:33
GeneralAntillesI dunno. Kinda felt more streamlined.20:33
MohammadAGNeed some solid income20:33
GeneralAntillesI got tired of screwing around with weapon addons in ME1.20:33
MohammadAGHey at least I got a 75% scholarship20:33
GeneralAntillesHow much is tuition normally per year? (if you don't mind me asking)20:33
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itsnotabigtruckit seems like all the tech blogs do anymore is echo press releases20:34
MohammadAG16000 nis a year for the first preparatory year20:34
MohammadAGAbout 4000 or 5000 usds20:34
GeneralAntillesYeah, not too terrible, then.20:34
bluesleethats good money for a month20:35
MohammadAGYeah, but the uni's ranked the 15th globally for CS :p20:35
MohammadAGBut this is a preparatory year20:35
MohammadAGBaically, extensive physics and maths20:35
GeneralAntillesDoes it include room and board?20:35
MohammadAGDorms are shitty tbh, 150$ a month, but shittyy20:36
GeneralAntillesDorms are usually shitty. :P20:36
MohammadAG3*7m and you share the room with two others20:36
rZritsnotabigtruck: not yet20:36
MohammadAGNext year should be way better though20:36
rZritsnotabigtruck: i need to finish some stuff before20:36
MohammadAGThey don't let you pick dorms the first year, you only have the worst ones20:37
MohammadAGOh and worst of all, sharing toilets20:37
rZritsnotabigtruck: how many known devices are opened so far ?20:37
MohammadAGAnd Internet speed, I live off of 3G20:37
itsnotabigtruckrzr: well, there's been a few hundred downloads of INCEPTION20:38
itsnotabigtrucknot quite the numbers i'd hoped for20:38
GeneralAntillesMohammadAG, yeah, campus internets are generally terrible.20:38
* GeneralAntilles is hungry. What's for lunch?20:38
MohammadAGGeneralAntilles: Campus is 100MBps20:38
rZrif more that 100+ pple ring your door you're screwed20:38
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MohammadAGDorms are 2.520:38
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MohammadAGThat's wired anyway, i use 3G and get up to 720:39
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RST38hHave you got an obligatory workstation in the restroom?20:40
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javispedrothey are called ipads these days20:40
javispedroseriously, best use for one.20:40
MohammadAGTrue that20:40
rZritsnotabigtruck: anyway i did have a look at the code20:42
rZrit's pretty obscure20:42
rZrbut congratz20:42
rZrthis is brillant i am sure20:42
MohammadAGI like how you didn't call it jailbreaking, thanks for that20:42
itsnotabigtruckrzr: note that step #1 (putting on the inception music) is vital to the inception process :D20:43
GeneralAntillesIs there a decent GUI IRC client for Harmattan yet?20:43
GeneralAntillesI really miss IRC on my phone.20:43
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MohammadAGIs it coincidence that my friend n the room was listening to je n'ai retrette rien20:43
itsnotabigtruckGeneralAntilles: Venemo's IRC chatter20:43
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itsnotabigtruckbtw Venemo: bee incepted yet?20:44
VenemoGeneralAntilles, it's currently in beta, but you can try20:45
itsnotabigtruckMohammadAG: no20:45
VenemoGeneralAntilles, it has evolved a lot lately20:45
MohammadAGHe has no N9/5020:45
Venemoitsnotabigtruck, sorry, I have a lot of work to do :(20:45
RST38hitsnotabigtruck: THANKS!20:45
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VenemoGeneralAntilles, open a terminal on your N9(50), install wget, then wget and install it with dpkg20:46
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javispedrohm, nokia world 2012 in HEL20:49
itsnotabigtruckexplains all the nokia news today20:52
GeneralAntillesAh, sweet!20:53
Anssi138i liked London better20:53
GeneralAntilles(A tuna sandwich is for lunch)20:54
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javispedroGeneralAntilles, btw, the ME3 demo rant video I was looking for: (might ruin your game experience if the final game engine ends up resembling the demo in any way)20:54
Anssi138wondering what next year hackathon will be.20:54
GeneralAntillesYeah, I haven't look at any of the preview or demo stuff20:54
GeneralAntillesGoing in cold.20:55
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DocScrutinizerwhat friggin nokia news of today?20:56
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javispedromore fire in the burning platforms?20:57
Anssi138who knows...20:58
itsnotabigtruckmostly just press releases20:58
Anssi138i've heard that s40 sells well enough. :)20:58
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javispedrothat's because gas prices are rising, so elop ran out of fuel20:59
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GeneralAntillesI hear he's switching to solar21:00
GeneralAntillesThey just have to launch the satellite mirrors.21:00
Anssi138i've seen that movie :)21:01
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javispedrosomeone reimplemented X11 in Java21:02
javispedroto run it under Android21:02
javispedrono excuse any longer, Android now runs X11!21:02
Anssi138oh my god why....21:02
* DocScrutinizer headdesks21:02
harbaumjavispedro: How good do you know the n900 gles?21:03
javispedroharbaum, worser than the n9 one at this point, but shoot21:03
GeneralAntillesHow do I check what port my irssi proxy is listening on?21:03
harbaumi am toying with a little game i am writing. the gles1 part runs fine on n950, pc etc, but on n900 glTexSubImage2D locks the device up21:04
harbaumare there restrictions when using glTexSubImage2D while a texture might be in use during rendering?21:04
harbaumit may be the fact that the n900 is the slowest machine i am testing on that i see these effects21:05
javispedroit should not hang in any case21:05
javispedrowhat's the size of the texture and the subarea?21:05
harbaumit does. i have to hard reset the n900. sometimes i see broken textures befor ethat21:05
harbaumtexture is 512x256 and subarea can be anything (letters written onto the texture)21:06
MohammadAGCould be a defective gpu? :p21:06
javispedronah, driver is the one doing most of the work here21:06
GeneralAntillesI really despise the numerous text input race bugs.21:06
javispedroharbaum, does it hang in glTexImage or in swapBuffers?21:07
javispedroand, does it work if you insert some generous delay between frames?21:07
harbaumcan't really tell as the device locks up hard.21:07
harbaumi shoudl test that. first test will be to move the texture update from the main rendering phase to the time after the screen has been rendered21:08
javispedroI do remember that changing an active texture can slow down swap buffers as the driver forces the gpu to map/unmap it21:08
javispedrobut it should not hang..21:08
harbaumi thought maybe you knew someting like "a glflush is required between drawing and modifying textures"21:09
javispedrodon't think so21:09
javispedroand actually I've used that with larger textures21:10
javispedrothey were 2048x2048 and rgb56521:10
harbaumcan't be a n900 specific thing as the preenv stuff would also stumble upon this and webos apps sure aren't coded with n900 specific workarounds21:10
GAN900Practically back to Fremantle functionality.21:13
GAN900Flash, IRC, AIM21:13
javispedroharbaum, is it random?21:13
javispedroharbaum, or instant? after a given number of frames?21:13
javispedromaybe a leak21:13
harbaumjavispedro: a little bit, but with a pretty high probability like "within the first 4-5 calls to  glTexSubImage2D21:14
* RST38h wants SiB on Harmattan21:14
harbaumi'll debug ... i was just verifying that there isn't a known issue21:15
harbaumskype is also missing21:15
RST38hSMPlayer is not suitable for the small screen and KMPlayer is atrocious21:15
RST38hSkype can be added trivially21:15
RST38hthere is a package21:15
harbauma repackaged n900 skype or what?21:16
javispedroharbaum, never seen it. in any case, I wouldn't recomend doing a glTex*Image per frame, might be unreasonably slow21:16
javispedroharbaum, if you are doing text you might even want to use gl itself to render it21:16
GeneralAntillesNeed a UPnP client and I'll be set.21:17
harbaumjavispedro: the idea is to assemble the text using gl but once the letters "settle" have them statically inside one bigger bitmap so the user can scroll fluidly21:17
RST38hThere is DLNA client21:17
RST38hif that is what you mean21:17
rZrRST38h: ?21:19
GeneralAntilles(yes, that's what I mean)21:20
RST38hGeneral: In the builtin music player, no?21:21
javispedroharbaum, maybe render to a FBO then21:22
javispedroharbaum, I am not sure if many games do a glTex*image per frame, so the driver might decide to leak, who knows21:22
javispedroit has to either stall rendering or copy the entire texture21:23
harbaumi think i'll have to learn hat FBO means ... thanks for the hint ...21:23
GeneralAntillesRST38h, it does DLNA?21:24
GeneralAntillesNot so far as I've been able to divine.21:24
javispedroI remember reading something about DLNA and PR1.2?21:24
harbaumi think pr1.2 can act as a server21:25
GeneralAntillesNot client as far as I'm aware.21:25
RST38hPR1.2 contains DLNA server from Zeeshan21:25
RST38hBut yes, I am probably messing up Fremantle and Harmattan players21:25
RST38hFremantle has it21:25
RST38hkinda useless though as it tries loading the whole file before playing it back21:25
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javispedrowhat can you expect from a MS designed protocol21:27
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RST38hAFAIK it is implementation dependent21:28
RST38hAlso, Harmattan DLNA needs some tweaking before it will export your .avi files21:28
RST38hBecause [shocker!] DLNA standard does not include .avi sharing21:29
DocScrutinizeryou're messing up fremantle and HARM quite a bit since some 30 minutes21:29
DocScrutinizersome of you21:29
itsnotabigtruckis the INCEPTION thread loading for anyone? not sure if it's TMO or the hotspot21:30
javispedrohey, don't mess with this family reunion21:30
javispedroDoc^^ ;P21:30
RST38hit is the slashdot effect!21:30
GeneralAntillesWe're overcome by nostalgia.21:30
* RST38h grins21:30
itsnotabigtruckseems to be working ok now, must have been thehotspot21:31
javispedroyeah, works for me.21:31
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RST38hIs djszapi going to turn into a pumpkin at the sight of Inception?21:32
javispedrosomeone must tell those firefox guys that showing a fake firefox as loading screen only works if firefox takes a few seconds to load21:32
RST38hjavispedro: Someone must tell them that using all available memory is not a good idea21:32
javispedroif it takes half a minute, it kinda loses the effect21:32
javispedroand instead is more of a nuisance21:33
RST38hjavispedro: Firefox and the goddamn Marble are the only two apps managing to hang (hang!) N9(50)21:33
admiral0RST38h: my n9 hangs randomly.21:34
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admiral0so it's not a surprise21:34
RST38hnot here21:34
itsnotabigtruckRST38h: are they just spinning the cpu, or something more snister?21:34
RST38hitsnotabigtruck: they are allocating lots and lots of memory, cutting into swap, and then it all hangs21:35
RST38hdue to swap being slow and on the same mmc as /21:35
RST38htype "about:memory" into url to see details21:35
RST38hbut basically, it is the motherfucking XUL, JavaScript, and the DOM model21:36
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harbaumjavispedro: What is [SGXOSTimer/0] ???21:37
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javispedrodunno, probably does something stupid such as reinvent kernel timers21:38
harbaumThat's the name of the process eating my n900's cpu in the problem case21:38
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DocScrutinizer>>Service Notification: Ovi Share is closing on 30 May 2012<< BWAHAHA21:41
javispedroyeah, crazy21:42
rigocan't that be taken over by some org or association?21:43
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DocScrutinizerprobably yahoo wasn't interested ;-P21:45
* javispedro ponders how to do the openmode kernel this time21:46
javispedrobtw, could anyone do uname -r in the n9?21:47
javispedro*pr1.2 n921:48
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khertanDocScrutinizer: what is ovishare ?22:20
itsnotabigtruckjust published on n9-apps22:25
itsnotabigtruckkhertan: think it's nokia's picture sharing service22:25
itsnotabigtruckwell, was22:25
khertanso an another result of the NIH syndrom22:27
mgedminso... the has no link to the upstream website?22:28
mgedminnice </sarcasm>22:28
itsnotabigtruckmgedmin: what do you mean?22:29
mgedmin says "The INCEPTION website provides comprehensive information on capabilities, risks, and instructions for getting started"22:29
itsnotabigtruckupstream website is my website, which is what you get when you click on the qr code22:29
* RST38h laughs satanically22:29
mgedminthere's no (clickable) link to22:29
RST38hhi, mgedmin22:29
mgedminaaah, I have to _click_ the QR code22:29
mgedminhow intuitive22:29
itsnotabigtruckthat's my bad for the wording22:29
mgedminthe QR code which says "INSTALL" above it22:29
itsnotabigtruckthey didn't put it there, i filled out the form and posted it22:30
mgedminbecause I thought (mistakenly) that QR codes were for QR readers, and not mouse clicks22:30
mgedminand that a QR code with "INSTALL" above it would INSTALL the application, and not redirect me to the upstream website22:30
mgedminsorry, got carried away a bit22:30
mgedminthere's a grey-on-grey non-clickable URL below the QR code22:30
mgedminthat I can carefully select and copy and paste and then see the upstream website22:31
mgedmin(which has a splash screen!)22:31
itsnotabigtrucki'm not sure why they recommend using the web page url, not the deb url22:31
itsnotabigtruckit specifically says on the form not to use the deb url22:31
mgedminheh, I like step 1: "Fire up some suitable music"22:31
bedrockyeah, that step reminds me of amiga days :)22:32
itsnotabigtruckthe inception track is vital to the process22:32
mgedminthe website is a bit 'tl;dr22:34
mgedminI'm looking for "HOW DOES IT WORK" section and not seeing one22:34
SpeedEvilOk - I'm missing something. Or am I? I install FF on n950, go to about:plugins - and eventually get to a page ofefering me x86 flash.22:36
itsnotabigtruckmgedmin: how it works should really be irrelevant, especially because it could change over time22:36
itsnotabigtruckit's getting a little bit frustrating with how many people here are more interested in examining the source, than loading it up and cooking up some awesome forbidden programs22:36
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mgedminyes, well, that's curiosity for you22:36
GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, Flash is in Ovi Store.22:37
mgedminI've no use cases for a N9-opening tool at the moment, but I have my curiosity22:37
bedrockitsnotabigtruck: i think people will, it'ss only day 1 at the moment...22:37
SpeedEvilUh? Wut?22:37
SpeedEvilOh well.22:37
itsnotabigtruckin order to make this work, as many people as possible need to build on top of this and take back the n922:38
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petterinot to wanna be a party pooper, but I can't really come up with forbidden programs that my N9 needs22:45
itsnotabigtruckpetteri: well, i made a list on the inception website, and that's only the tip of the iceberg :p22:45
deramit would need an openvpn client that allows sip cals to be made through the vpn22:46
itsnotabigtruckobviously some pedestrian qml app won't have any special requirements with aegis22:46
DocScrutinizeritsnotabigtruck: a) did you really think people are interested in the functionality more than in the knowledge? b) there's no such thing like "forbidden programs", there's just locked-down functionality in core OS, and this one will c) get locked-down again in a few weeks, as Nokia won't let you get away with that22:46
itsnotabigtruckmost of the apps coming out today don't require any special access22:46
itsnotabigtruckwhich is a shame22:46
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer: people sure are interested in the functionality rather than the knowledge when it comes to every other mobile platform22:47
DocScrutinizersure, especially the devels X-P22:48
itsnotabigtruckthey're all locked down, they all get owned, and they all have a wide spectrum of apps that take advantage of that22:48
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DocScrutinizerwhich know all a) b) c) of above and had their own hacks to cheat aegis since err dunno, months at least22:48
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itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer: yeah, but i'm under the impression most people never got beyond the stage of opening an opensh22:49
DocScrutinizerand no sane devel is building a program that will break as soon as this aegis-cracker app gets nuked off the device by nokia22:49
itsnotabigtruckthe idea here is to turn it into a deployable system for installing a new generation of app22:49
deram1 thing to remember is that this is just the type of program I'd probably not trust anyone elses binaries, and the code would need through examination before it goes near the phone, no offense...22:50
deramso I think it is normal to see more downloads on the sources than the binary22:50
itsnotabigtruckderam: except most of those people probably aren't equipped to do source package compiles22:51
alien_what exactly do you need to access which can't be allowed through aegis?22:51
itsnotabigtruckalien_: quite a bit...look at the top of the inception website22:51
itsnotabigtruck"need to access" is probably the wrong term22:51
deramitsnotabigtruck: but as there is not yet any software that needs that to install ready for users, the developers are the ones taking the looks on it22:52
itsnotabigtrucki mean, really, you don't absolutely need anything, the N9 suffices perfectly well as a phone out of the box22:52
itsnotabigtruckbut who wants to stop there22:52
petterii tried to use sshfs on n900, but 3g is way too laggy for that. I think CSSU for N9 would be nice, but is not needed yet, as Nokia still seem to provide nice updates22:53
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itsnotabigtruck27 DSC downloads, 108 tar.gz downloads, 254 DEB downloads22:54
itsnotabigtruckalso deram: that's the mistake everyone seems to make22:54
itsnotabigtruckit isn't my exploit you should be suspicious of, it's some perfectly innocent-looking ovi store app22:54
tehdelyhas inception been written up anywhere today?22:54
itsnotabigtrucktehdely: gsmarena, and a few personal blogs22:55
itsnotabigtrucknone of the major tech blogs22:55
tehdelyany good tweets i should retweet?22:56
itsnotabigtrucki was trying to get everyone to submit tips to the major sites but i think few people did that22:56
petteriitsnotabigtruck: like the filemanager that added something to /etc/apt/sources.list.d22:56
itsnotabigtruck(they generally pay more attention to a story if a large number of people submit it)22:56
deramitsnotabigtruck: that is true too.. yet it is not the a reason for not taking the look in the source of your exploit and even build it yourself if it is possible and does not mean too much of a hassle around22:56
wirwehey, after the mwc are there any news on the acl / openmobile -android-apps on n9 thing?22:57
itsnotabigtruckderam: my point though is that people are very selective about what they apply that treatment to22:59
itsnotabigtruckand the dangerous programs are not those like mine23:00
itsnotabigtruckthey're mass market programs aimed at the maximum sized target23:00
itsnotabigtruckthat don't sound suspicious23:00
deramif it was possible, I'd recompile every app in ovistore, but it is not possible, so the next best thing is to compile those not looked after by the store staff23:00
itsnotabigtruckit's like how some people are extra careful about authenticating their GPG source code, and then inevitably at some point in the future they'll run some unauthenticated binary23:01
itsnotabigtruckand if you really want to trojan someone's crypto software, would you go in the front door, or would you do it when they least expect it23:01
itsnotabigtruckit's misdirected paranoia23:02
deramwell, the troyans used the front door... and sometimes the best place to hide something is the most obvious23:03
itsnotabigtruckand it's misdirected paranoia that's slowing down adoption of something that could make a positive impact on N9dom23:03
deramI would not say it is slowing down, if there is no use in the first day23:03
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itsnotabigtrucktehdely: as for tweets...!/itsnotabigtruck/status/17700436275167641623:04
itsnotabigtruckthat's mine but there's a few others23:05
itsnotabigtruckanyway...don't get me wrong, i'm not against auditing software in general23:08
DocScrutinizeritsnotabigtruck: c'mon, now you are about to fall for a state of delusion. As explained above, your app with "positive impact" will just have short term negative impact as Nokia will kill it in no time23:09
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer: let's not do anything ever, because it might get shut down!23:12
itsnotabigtruckyou're so pessimistic :P23:12
alien_i guess they will fix it in no time if this is exploiting a vulnerability that can be exploited by malicious apps23:15
itsnotabigtruckalso DocScrutinizer: remember, inception apps are open mode apps23:16
DocScrutinizeryou're so whining about those who might be more realistic regarding the long term reliability and thus usefulness of your crack for any serious development23:16
alien_but it's cool that we have it23:16
itsnotabigtruckyou were speaking up for open mode before - that leads to heading down the same direction, which is building high functionality high privilege apps23:16
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DocScrutinizerdamn, I'd not even bother to look into your sources for the purpose to base e.g hostmode on that23:17
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer: you don't "base x on inception", you build packages like you normally would for harmattan23:18
DocScrutinizeras I'd not even have finished the POC when Nokia nukes this "foundation" crack that would render my whole work useless the moment Nokia nukes it23:18
itsnotabigtruckpackages that work just as well on open mode23:19
DocScrutinizeryeah, we've been at that point of discussion before, and I asked you to stop PMing me as I felt you'll never get my point and rationale about that topic23:20
DocScrutinizerevidently I've benn right at least about the latter point23:21
DocScrutinizermaybe it's of interest for you that the guy who provided patched openmode kernel seemed rather pissed about inception and basically said he'll reconsider doing that again for 1.223:22
DocScrutinizeryou proved you're a really smart ass23:23
* itsnotabigtruck shrugs23:24
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MohammadAGPersonally I see no problem with inception23:25
* DocScrutinizer neither23:26
DocScrutinizerI simply ignore it, as I do with HARM at large23:26
DocScrutinizerand I seem to recall a private comment of javispedro that suggests he also doesn't feel like continuing to support this madhouse23:27
DocScrutinizerjust a pity for those who (unlike me) really liked the HW but hoped for a system similar to fremantle eventually23:29
DocScrutinizersimilar in support from community, regarding all the bits that Nokia missed, messed up, or simply promised but never delivered23:30
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admiral0well, DocScrutinizer, start doing what you always do23:31
admiral0mess with the kernel23:31
DocScrutinizernot this time, sorry23:31
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admiral0well DocScrutinizer, afaikt itsnotabigtruck is not a security expert23:35
admiral0as i said some days ago, when PR 1.3 will be out, me and some of my friends will explore aegis very deeply and anally23:35
admiral0so if your issue is with aegis...23:36
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DocScrutinizerno, my issue is with N9 hw, with Nokia product philosophy, with Nokia cheating on the community, and with all the ****** going on here in this chan as well as on all the unbearable forums. (actually prolly 'fori') - it short, HARM and all around it is an ever growing PITA for me, and each time I feel the pain like this very moment, I reduce my amount of involvement23:39
admiral0after the n900, i can understand you.23:40
admiral0n9 is dead as sw platform, so we can annoy the hell out of nokia asking for sources23:41
admiral0then -> mer23:41
admiral0if not mer archlinux-arm :D23:42
DocScrutinizerif I were interested in a device with only one hw button and capacitive touchscreen, that has something faintly unixoid running on it but needs jailbreak or whatever to do the simplest things on it, I'd have gotten me an iPhone from the day they became available for betatesters23:43
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DocScrutinizerNokia's *only* unique feature was the openness of the complete system (as their promise to deliver on openness of core apps eventually never came true). So what's the reason now to get a N9 rather than an iPhone?23:45
DocScrutinizerAndroid is as open as HARM never will get23:46
patho i have an idea to make nokia produce an N10.. <g>23:46
DocScrutinizerit's "just" tivoized, but wait.. N9 is as well23:46
itsnotabigtruckbtw might this affect the N923:47
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DocScrutinizermaybe you can use it for your next zero-day exploit23:47
DocScrutinizeron HARM 1.3 with fixed aegis23:48
DocScrutinizerwait, 1.2.123:48
DocScrutinizerthey won't wait til 1.3 to nuke your stuff23:48
pagiven the fact that modern mobile OSes still lack some fundamental features, and i am aware of at least a bunch of people complaining about it, making a (well not so simple) app to provide those features for meego only :)23:49
DocScrutinizerand of course 1.2.1 again comes with new kernel (to fix that inception vulnerability), and sources again will not be available for weeks and months, and so will be open!mode-kernel23:53
DocScrutinizerthanks for that as well23:53
DocScrutinizernot much use in building a 1.2 open!mode-kernel when the day we get the sources somebody publishes some crap that implicitly obsoletes it again23:54
pawhat does 1.2.1 includes other than probably fixing that bug?23:55
DocScrutinizerpa: check your connection, you got massive lag. your question came in 3 posts *after* my answer to it23:57
paDocScrutinizer, your post talks about bugfixing (with new kernel)23:59
DocScrutinizera new kernel, even when just build with new version/date string, doesn't match the old modules, so...23:59
pawhat else is supposed to be there? otherwise you could also not upgrade23:59

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