IRC log of #harmattan for Monday, 2012-03-05

Venemo_N950also happy you didn't see it yesterday :P yesterday's version was garbage00:00
blueslee_i was happy to use the old one, it was the only usable one with colours and it is simple, exact what i needed00:00
Venemo_N950I tried to keep it simple00:01
djszapiI saw it yesterday, and I took screenshots bruhaha :D00:01
Venemo_N950djszapi, :)00:01
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bluesleeVenemo_N950: where ate the bugs?00:04
Venemo_N950blueslee, it doesn't handle connection failures well + it doesn't always handle disconnections well00:05
Venemo_N950and changing the color doesn't work for djszapi00:05
Venemo_N950and I can get the manage servers page into a buggered state00:06
djszapi+ long lines are not visible.00:06
bluesleeis he a chameleon or why he wants to change his colour?;-)00:06
djszapi+ timestamping is buggy00:06
Venemo_N950they are now, aren't they, djszapi?00:06
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Venemo_N950djszapi, timestamping only takes effect for new messages (after you switch the setting)00:07
Venemo_N950blueslee :P00:07
djszapiVenemo_N950: which is not a good imo00:07
bluesleeokay, i will give you my feedback00:07
djszapi+ settings page is a bit strange, to say the least.00:08
bluesleethe issue with the long lines is also present in other apps00:08
Venemo_N950djszapi, perhaps not, but it would take effort to remove all timestamps from the html.00:08
djszapishould be fairly simple, right ?00:08
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Venemo_N950it wraps for me00:09
djszapiVenemo_N950: you can practice it in a dummy channel :D00:09
Venemo_N950djszapi, I usually use #mychannel, but it seems to work now.00:09
jonniblueslee: yes00:10
djszapiVenemo_N950: joining a channel should be in joining order imo, not in alphabetical order00:11
djszapiotherwise it is pretty hard to get my favourite channel in the beginning...00:12
bluesleeVenemo_N950, i even get a notification on the lock screen00:12
Venemo_N950djszapi, yeah, I plan to make them rearrangeable00:12
Venemo_N950djszapi, there are also two more things I need to refactor in the code :)00:12
djszapinot rearrangable what I meant00:13
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djszapithe same ordering as in irssi00:13
Venemo_N950plus, I'm surprised that for half a year, nobody noticed the limitations of the autocompletion implementation. :)00:13
bluesleejonni, i want to give you some feedback concerning bug 12300:13
djszapinew channels and queries go to the end.00:13
_MeeGoBot_Bug maj, Highest, ---, ext-risto.lahti, REOP, accounts passwords are not remembered accross reboots00:13
Venemo_N950djszapi, not even you00:14
djszapi"not even you" ? :)00:14
tehdelyi think today is the day00:14
tehdelytoday is the day that i will flash my N9 and void its warranty00:14
jonniblueslee: ah yes that one, if you visited rescue kernel while beeing on PR1.2 (even with -b flag), then on next reboot, you are actually on open mode, untill complete reflash. That would explain why your accouts data dont work since most likely data was encrypted with closed mode keys, vs after reboot you are actually using open mode keys.00:15
tehdelythat's precisely what i'm about to do!00:17
tehdelybtw is there a 1.2 rescue kernel yet00:17
Venemo_N950djszapiN9, yes, you have very keen eyes for bugs, thus I expected you to find this one sooner or later :P but you haven't00:17
tehdelyi only need to boot into one for long enough for it to make the phone realize i've messed with it00:17
djszapiVenemo_N950: I am pretty sure I found :P00:17
jonnitehdely: you can use pr1.1 or whatever rescue kernel which is on fix malf page00:17
djszapiyou probably lost it among the lines ;)00:17
Venemo_N950djszapi, no, you have not mentioned it to me yet00:18
djszapi:D :D00:18
tehdelyjonni: i assume you're refering to this page:
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tehdelyitsnotabigtruck had some specific directions as far as the ordering00:19
tehdelyi want to do a clean flash of 1.2 and then immediately boot that rescue kernel00:19
tehdelycan i do this: flasher -f -F main.bin -F emmc.bin --flash-only=mmc00:19
tehdelyimmediately followed by this:  $ sudo flasher --load -k vmlinuz- -n initrd.img-rescue- --boot00:20
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tehdelythis should be fun :>00:21
tehdelyfound the logs... he suggested a reboot in between00:21
bluesleejonni, i was on pr 1.1 with notifications that pr 1.2 is available, flashed the rescue kernel for a final backup and after that i updated to pr 1.2 and the issue arised .. flashing again the rescue image was my attempt to repair it00:22
jonnitehdely: if you reboot in between it generates aegis storages with closed mode keys, if you really want fully clean open mode you should not reboot in between, but instead run some other command in between so -l -b would work00:23
Venemo_N950so anyway, good evening guys!00:24
tehdelyi want fully clean, because i want saved accounts to wrok00:24
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tehdelyin what state is the phone after it's been flashed?00:24
tehdelyi am led to believe it requires a reboot before more can be done to it00:24
tehdelyor could you just flash it 5x in a row and it wouldn't really care00:24
jonniblueslee: so you did somekind backup/restore? I've never done any restores since that usually causes problems00:24
jonnitehdely: I've had a script somewhere which allowed it to -l -b without reboot... but dont remember where my script is00:25
tehdelywhat was the complication that you had to resolve00:25
tehdelyas far as being able to do one after the other00:25
jonnilets see if I can find my script, it was some flasher command, then sleep 1.5 and then running the flasher -l -b....00:26
ieatlintto anyone else who may be wondering... despite the qtmobility docs now saying that harmattan is a completely supported platform for connectivity/nfc, it still indeed does not support tag type specific access00:27
ieatlinthere's to hoping there's a pr1.3, and that it does solve this00:27
djszapi1.3 is a bugfix release.00:28
ieatlinti can have my hopes00:29
tehdelysome more Qs00:29
tehdelyi did an OTA update to 1.2 when I got my phone; it was nearly the first thing i did00:29
tehdely(it still had issues)00:29
djszapiieatlint: just if you still wear the pants.00:29
tehdelyi'm assuming that all that was going on behind the scenes was an apt-get dist-upgrade00:29
tehdelynow, user-installed packages are also installed using dpkg and their manifests stored in the same database, right?00:30
ieatlintdjszapi, actually most of my hopes seem to involve not wearing pants00:30
tehdelyso how can you flash a newer version (assuming you _don't_ erase the EMMC) without wiping out software you've installed00:30
tehdelyor is there some sort of overlay where "system" and "user00:30
tehdely " packages are actually stored on different bits of flash..00:30
tehdelythat would be very Symbianesque if so00:30
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bluesleejonni, i hoped to do so but after flashing the rescue images with pr 1.2 the well known problem with the warnings and reboot cycles arised00:33
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bluesleei had no chance to restore backups00:33
jonnitehdely: if I remember right it was  something like flasher -i; flasher -R;sleep 1.5;flasher -l -b... after the flash command.00:33
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Corsacbtw, I sent my N9 to warranty before pr1.2 was out, when I get the device back should I upgrade before or after restoring backups?00:33
jonniCorsac: I would just setup accounts by hands and not using any restore functions, but thats just me.00:34
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djszapi+1 here.00:35
jonniblueslee: what do you mean "flashing rescue images" as I dont know what images you mean on that sentanse?00:35
Corsacjonni: I don't really care about accounts, but I do care about sms, contacts and calendar00:36
Corsacit should be possible to push contacts and calendar using syncml, but it's not possible for smses00:36
jonniCorsac: well you should restore on the same pr that you generated the backup with.00:36
bluesleejonni, rescue kernel for n95000:37
tehdelyonce i've booted that rescue kernel btw, should i just reboot again00:38
jonniblueslee: flashed or load booted?00:38
admiral0itsnotabigtruck: it works!00:38
tehdelythat should be enough to flip the bit that sends the phone into Open Mode right00:38
jonniblueslee: if you flashed it, then you are never supposed to get into an UI, as rescure kernels only job is to enable usb device without ui.00:39
djszapiieatlint: okay, it seems I am also beyond my first qt5 patch accepted, yay \o/00:39
tehdelywill there be a qt5 dance?00:39
tehdelyi remember the qt4 dance fondly...00:39
ieatlintcongrats! :)00:39
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djszapitehdely: I can dance crazily without Qt, too :)00:40
bluesleejonni, right, i made dd copies of the three partitions with that method00:40
jonniblueslee: (all the instructions say that you are not supposed to flash the rescue kernel, only load boot).00:40
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jonniblueslee: and if you did dd copies of them in pr1.1 and did dd restore to pr1.2 you will get malf everytime, since aegis checksums will fail.00:41
admiral0itsnotabigtruck: ping00:42
bluesleejonni, add i said restoring will not work, i did a --load ... --boot with the flasher00:45
jonniblueslee: (as if you dd restore pr1.1 rootfs to pr1.2 /etc/aegis_vdata will have missmatch to running kernel, you cannot dd copy/restore pr1.1 rootfs to pr1.2)00:45
tehdelydamn it i should have downloaded the rofs earlier00:47
tehdelyslow Nokia Care Suite server is slow00:47
bluesleejonni, now i also know that its not possible00:48
tehdelyis it ok i flash an EMMC for a 16GB product code to my 64GB phone00:49
tehdelyi want the 059J1Z5 (rest of the world) one00:49
tehdelyi don't really need scandianavian maps :>00:49
tehdelyoh wait, there is a 64GB one00:50
bluesleejonni, what do you think about reopening bug 123?00:51
_MeeGoBot_Bug maj, Highest, ---, ext-risto.lahti, REOP, accounts passwords are not remembered accross reboots00:51
bluesleejonni, i think the problem is related to a missing internet connection, that's my opinion00:53
itsnotabigtruckadmiral0: back online00:54
tehdelyitsnotabigtruck: hey-yo00:54
tehdelyi'm going to try the clean flash + boot into rescue kernel today00:54
tehdelywe were discussing whether it woudl be possible to execute the load command after the flash command without rebooting the phone in between00:55
tehdelyi'm going to assume that "no"00:55
itsnotabigtrucktehdely: hmm00:55
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bluesleegood night guys, i am tired00:55
itsnotabigtrucki don't think anyone's actually tested it, so i have no idea if it's required00:55
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tehdelybecause if i reboot into pr1.2 without having booted into rescue kernel, won't it go ahead and generate the keys for account storage/etc.00:56
itsnotabigtruckafter flashing the image, you're still booted into the "ape-algo" (device flasher)00:56
itsnotabigtruckbut if you boot from that, i'm pretty sure it sends you back to the bootloader to boot00:56
itsnotabigtruckthe question is, does it use the previous bootloader or the new bootloader00:56
itsnotabigtruckprobably the latter, which means that you don't need the reboot in between00:56
tehdelygood Q00:56
tehdelyso flash, then load00:57
tehdelyi'm going to try that and see what happens00:57
itsnotabigtruckyeah, and if the disclaimer screen doesn't pop up, then run flasher -i again and unplug, then immediately replug the usb00:57
itsnotabigtruck(so that you catch it on the reboot)(00:57
pahas anybody here ever used syncevolution on N800?00:58
pa(or also N9/950)00:58
tehdelyi will be very curious, btw, if i can get gogoc ported to the phone01:00
tehdelyand have it run every time it associates with a WAP01:00
tehdelyevne better, have it work over 3G01:00
tehdelyso i can have IPv6 everywhere :>01:00
tehdelyit reuqires a tun/tap device01:01
tehdelyi wonder what's the difference between the ROW and SWAP firmwares, btw01:01
tehdelyprobably nothing01:01
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itsnotabigtrucktehdely: nothing01:06
itsnotabigtruckif the name's the same, it's the same firmware01:06
itsnotabigtrucksame as that01:06
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itsnotabigtruck(well, if it's coming from nokia, since nokia uses a systematic naming scheme)01:07
itsnotabigtruckall 001 images for pr1.2 are the same01:07
itsnotabigtruckthe other files aren't necessarily the same01:07
itsnotabigtruckbut the other files aren't used by flasher, they're mostly for label printing and calibration01:08
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tehdelyok, you can not boot a kernel after the flashing mode, you do have to reboot01:29
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tehdelyman, second time this has happened01:32
tehdelyi can't seem to get the phone not to boot01:32
tehdelyit's going into setup again01:32
DocScrutinizercould someone check if mtd_debug is available on N9?01:33
DocScrutinizerI got it on N950 at least01:34
tehdelyitsnotabigtruck: flasher -R reboots; it doens't power off01:35
tehdelyis there any way i can power off the phone after flash01:35
tehdelyi can't seem to 'catch' it early enough in the boot cycle on the next boot01:35
DocScrutinizerwtf is >>ConF^B^@^@^@cert-sw-enos^@^@<< and >>Mrmxxx_enos_0.2011.12-5_005.bin^@<< ?01:36
DocScrutinizer(/dev/mtd1 if you wonder)01:37
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pahow does it work to request an N950?01:39
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DocScrutinizerthere are no more left over01:43
paah i see01:45
pabut is N9 still produced, or that went out as well?01:45
djszapistill produced.01:46
pahere it seems it's on sale everywhere, and no one restocks01:46
ieatlintthe n9 targets very specific audiences very well... but it's difficult for sales people to sell, when it's a dead end device that lacks the apps that android/iphone have01:47
tehdelyitsnotabigtruck: so i put it in open mode after it had already booted into PR1.2 once01:47
tehdelyit went as far as asking me for my SIM PIN before i powered off01:47
ieatlintmy guess is no one is restocking it because they saturated the geek market01:47
tehdelybut i just added a facebook account and rebooted, so let's see if it prompts for the password again01:48
tehdelyif it doesn't, i should be in the clear...01:48
tehdelynope, didn't remember the password :<01:48
djszapithough the pants business is good, too01:49
ieatlintpants are overrated01:50
ieatlintyes, pantaloons01:51
tehdelyok i'm reflashing into pr1.2 again01:51
* DocScrutinizer blames his ignorelist and forgets about it01:51
pago for kilt01:51
djszapiflashing 1.3 is funnier01:52
tehdelyi'll pass on that01:52
tehdelyi just wanted to do the magic two-step "clean flash, followed immediately by boot into rescue kernel"01:52
tehdelybut i can't seem to interrupt the first boot into pr1.201:52
tehdelyi want to flash, reboot, immediately load kernel... but no can do01:52
DocScrutinizerif itsnotabigtruck was correct in his description how that secure-bit works, I don't see how doing this 'magic 2step' can help to accomplish anything01:54
tehdelythe magic 2step is designed to flip that bit01:54
tehdelybut avoid the phone having ever booted into a non-"open" mode01:54
DocScrutinizerwhy would that be needed?01:54
tehdelyso that it hasn't generated the aegis security keys01:55
tehdelythey'll be incompatible with the ones in open mode01:55
tehdelyand i wno't be able to save any passwords01:55
tehdelyi just tested that that is in fact the case01:55
tehdelyone boot into PR1.2 is one too many01:55
DocScrutinizerI'd guess zero boots into secure mode are one too many01:55
DocScrutinizerbut maybe that may actually work01:55
tehdelyit's a race01:56
DocScrutinizernot really01:56
tehdelyi wish there were a flasher command to unequivocally say "POWER THE FUCK OFF"01:56
tehdelyi want to power it off, unplug, run flasher -i again, replug, and be back into flashing mode01:56
tehdelybut it stubbornly insists on booting01:56
tehdelyi'm moving hella fast, too01:56
DocScrutinizersimple: switch off device after flashing, then prepare flasher with load-and-execute-kernel and fire, then plug in the powered-down device to USB01:57
tehdelyhow do i switch it off01:57
tehdelyit's plugged in right now01:57
tehdelyit's just been flashed01:57
tehdelyis it safe to unplug01:57
DocScrutinizeryou unplug it and press hold power button for >20s01:57
tehdelyand i don't need to run 'flasher -i'?01:58
tehdelythe whole load-and-execute shebang will also wait for the phone to be plugged in?01:58
DocScrutinizersure, why not?01:58
tehdelysorry, i've only owned the device for a few days01:58
tehdelystill picking this up :)01:58
tehdelyalright, that worked.  i was able to power it off01:59
tehdelynow let's see if i can get a saved password in open mode01:59
tehdelythat is a very pretty warning!02:00
DocScrutinizerthis aegis stuff still spoils your day even while on openmode :-S02:00
tehdelyi believe you02:00
tehdelyit's alright02:01
tehdelythe phone is so damn pretty i02:01
tehdely'm willing to overlook a few inconveniences ;)02:01
DocScrutinizerafter loading kernel to ram, you might have to power up the device again. do NOT unplug as it will shutdown and kernel in ram will evaporate02:03
tehdelyoh i unmounted, unplugged, and booted into pr1.202:03
tehdelyi only needed to load the kernel in RAM for long enough to flip that bit02:03
DocScrutinizeraaah I see02:03
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tehdelyit was nice seeing it mount though.  it actually mounted with a pretty icon on OS X02:04
tehdelyi should've taken a screenshot02:04
tehdelyit looked like an N9 ;)02:04
djszapitehdely: oh, you also a Mac user ?02:04
DocScrutinizeryep what?02:04
djszapinifty :)02:04
tehdelyDocScrutinizer: "yep" to djszapi02:05
tehdelyyou got him on ignore or something? :>02:05
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tehdelyman i need some pho02:08
djszapitehdely: do you mind giving some help with qt5 patch testing on future on Mac ?02:08
ieatlintmmm, pho02:08
tehdelydepends what kind of help02:09
itsnotabigtrucktehdely: did you manage to do it?02:09
djszapitehdely: as said, testing.02:09
tehdelyitsnotabigtruck: yes, now the "can we save a password across reboots" test02:09
itsnotabigtruckbtw flasher -R says it's supposed to reboot but IMX it always shuts off02:09
djszapibuild + unit test run.02:09
tehdelydjszapi: perhaps. <- me02:09
tehdelyi run lion02:09
tehdelyif you need someone building on lion, i'm your man02:09
itsnotabigtrucktehdely: you just put your unadulterated email address on the net, so you'll probably be getting moar spams now02:09
tehdelyoh man02:09
tehdelythat email address is already ruined02:09
DocScrutinizeritsnotabigtruck: nope, it just reboots to act-dead mode02:09
tehdelyi had an account on the MtGox bitcoin exchange02:09
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tehdelyand their whole accounts db was stolen02:10
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer: hrm, ok02:10
djszapi-R does reboot.02:10
tehdelyi get 419s like you wouldn't believe02:10
tehdelyI guess someone figured Bitcoin users for a bunch of gullible pawns who would easily fall prey to a get-rich-quick scheme why I never...02:10
djszapitehdely: feel free to any working one to me in private.02:10
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tehdelythat's a perfectly good email, use that one02:11
tehdelyok let's reboot and see if the phone can log into facebook02:11
djszapitehdely: you have just said "it is ruined"02:12
djszapiis it for something else then ?02:12
tehdelyno i just mean spammers have it02:12
tehdelybut zimbra does a good job of filtering it out02:12
tehdelyi use that email plenty02:12
tehdelyi appear to be logged into facebook! yay!02:14
tehdelyitsnotabigtruck: ├ža marche!02:14
DocScrutinizerso I already start to wonder if it needs to be any kernel that you load to RAM and execute. Or if NOLO will flip that bit on trying to load some crap from /dev/urandom already02:16
tehdelywhat's the default pass for 'user' on newly-installed sshd02:16
tehdelyor do i have to set one using passwd first02:16
djszapijust use developer02:17
DocScrutinizerooh user. none set02:17
tehdelywhat is the use of the developer vs. user account02:17
djszapiafter enabling the developer mode.02:17
tehdelywhich one should i be sshing into02:17
DocScrutinizerso yeah, you have to set one using passwd user in rootsh02:17
tehdelyi'd rather set no pass and just use keys02:17
tehdelyi wonder if the passwd binary on here supports the '-u' flag for unlock02:18
tehdelywe'll find out!02:18
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DocScrutinizerfor some strange reason sshd refuses to allow login with keys on an account that has no password02:18
tehdelyeven after running 'passwd -u'?02:18
tehdelythat's usually all that needs to be done02:18
tehdelyso let's see if that worked02:18
tehdelyhmm, looks like i need to create developer's home dir02:19
tehdelywhat is the use of the developer account vs user account02:19
tehdelywhy would i want to use one vs. the other02:19
tehdely'user' is the one that my personal stuff runs as, yes?02:19
DocScrutinizerdeveloper account is for downlink from SDK on PC afaik02:20
djszapiyou do not need to create that02:20
djszapijust enable the developer mode.02:20
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djszapibut as a rule of thumb, I would suggest using the developer account over ssh.02:21
tehdelyand what is the advantage thereof02:21
djszapiplus creds02:22
djszapiless trouble.02:22
djszapiworking "by default" without assign password and so forth.02:22
tehdelyok confirm i can get in without setting a pass02:22
tehdelyjust have to 'passwd -u'02:23
djszapinever tried02:23
djszapiI normally set up my preferred password.02:23
djszapifor developer, that is.02:23
tehdelydeveloper doesn't seem to have a home dir02:23
djszapiit does have.02:23
tehdelynope, no /home/developer on here02:24
djszapisounds like a screwed up system02:24
djszapiif the developer mode is on, it should be there.02:24
tehdelylet's install some more of the devmode packages02:24
tehdelymaybe one of htem creates it02:25
DocScrutinizerit's just for SDK to log in02:25
djszapiso what is in the /home folder then ?02:25
tehdelyjust /home/user02:25
djszapiuser and lostnfound only ?02:25
tehdelymay also ahve to do with the emmc i used to flash02:25
djszapiand you can log in as developer ?02:25
tehdelyno i can't02:25
tehdelyand i can't create /home/developer and chown it developer either02:25
djszapiyou have the developer mode enabled ?02:25
tehdelyyes, i'm sshed in righ tnow02:25
djszapiand it installed the stuff fine, right ?02:25
DocScrutinizerforget about developer account02:25
djszapidisable developer mode, reboot, enable again02:26
tehdelyalso, how do i get opensh installed02:26
tehdelyso far i don't seem to be benefiting from open mode at all.. what has this actually enabled me to do02:26
tehdelywhere do i get the kernel in question02:28
tehdelyoh, one dir up02:28
tehdelyis it ok to boot with a kernel intended for pr1.102:28
djszapiwell, that should be nice to get updated02:29
djszapibut there was no proper effort yet apparently.02:30
djszapiat least it is not shared then in there.02:30
itsnotabigtruckso tehdely: any issues?02:30
* itsnotabigtruck reads sb02:30
tehdelyi have no /home/developer02:30
tehdelythat seems to be it so far02:30
tehdelyi'mma try to get opensh on here02:30
tehdelythis should be fun02:30
itsnotabigtrucktehdely: don't boot with a pr1.1 kernel02:31
itsnotabigtruckunless you downgrade the kernel modules too02:31
tehdelyoh, don't?02:31
itsnotabigtruckbut warning: that will screw up the camera02:31
itsnotabigtruckdon't do it02:31
tehdelyeven just to get into sdk mode?02:31
itsnotabigtruckdon't bother changing the kernel02:31
itsnotabigtrucka) turn on developer mode02:31
itsnotabigtruckb) download doc's opensh02:31
itsnotabigtruckc) dpkg -i opensh.deb02:31
itsnotabigtruckas root02:31
tehdelythat is all02:31
tehdelyi don't need to be booted into the hacked kernel in order for that to work?02:32
itsnotabigtruckthen opensh -c 'accli -I' and be in awe of all the caps02:32
itsnotabigtrucknope, you don't02:32
djszapiC) should not work at all02:32
djszapiif that works, that is just a bug02:32
itsnotabigtrucklast time i checked, dpkg knows whether you're in open mode02:32
tehdelyseems to have worked02:32
djszapiright, time to report it...02:32
tehdelyoh my02:32
itsnotabigtrucktehdely: well, if it doesn't work it gets ignored02:32
tehdelyi sure do seem to have a lot of privileges02:32
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: somehow i doubt that was a bug given that logic for it was WRITTEN RIGHT IN02:33
tehdelyahhh, this is MUCH BETTER02:33
djszapiitsnotabigtruck: I am quite amazed how you know better how we designed aegis things.02:33
djszapithis is not the first try, and I am getting tired of you, quite frankly.02:33
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itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: i'm quite amazed at how often you contradict how it actually works, having worked on it...02:34
tehdelycool i can now ssh in key-based as develoepr or user02:35
tehdelyyay, i own my phone02:35
tehdelyi know you guys are busy bickering but i want to thank you both02:35
tehdelyand DocScrutinizer5102:35
djszapitehdely: this method hopefully is not going to work in the future though.02:35
tehdelywell we'll just have to resort to a new one when that happens02:35
djszapisince it is a bug, it can be done at the momment.02:35
tehdelythere is still the problem, btw, that no appropriate libc6-dbg exists in the repos02:36
tehdelyat least not one that matches the running kernel version02:36
tehdelyso i can't install bunch of the devtools pkgs02:36
tehdely  libc6-dbg: Depends: libc6 (= 2.10-0maemo18.1+0m6) but 2.10-0maemo20+0m7 is to be installed02:37
djszapijonni ping02:37
djszapitehdely: you are right, I should not bicker, just ignore..02:40
djszapiif someone wanna know the things better than the authors, I cannot do too much. :/02:40
tehdelyi wonder if Track & Protect works in Open Mode02:42
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: take one look at the source of dpkg and you'll see what i mean02:42
tehdelyi was thinking of signing up02:42
djszapijonni please let met know, if you are back.02:42
itsnotabigtrucki'm not claiming i know more about aegis than you, i am claiming that maybe you need to double check on this one02:42
djszapiitsnotabigtruck: why do you hijack ?02:42
djszapiof course the dpkg source code is first of all not available anymore02:42
djszapiso this is the entry point where you are already wrong02:43
djszapisecondly, I mentioned the damn design02:43
tehdelythat would be a GPL violation02:43
djszapithat me and my colleague decided together...02:43
djszapibut surely, you know better than we, of course /sighs/.02:43
djszapitehdely: why ?02:43
itsnotabigtruckthen i guess someone else changed the design02:44
djszapitehdely: the dpkg real code is still gpl02:44
tehdelyoh, this is just your wrapper02:44
djszapitehdely: the wrapper itself is not02:44
djszapiitsnotabigtruck: yes, sure ...02:44
djszapibe smart man, continue :)02:44
admiral0dpkg wrapper?02:44
djszapianyway, I will fix this hole tomorrow02:45
djszapiand send the patch for review.02:45
tehdelyaegis rejects packages installed from opensh02:46
admiral0djszapi: you know it's gonna make users angrier02:46
djszapiadmiral0: opposite02:46
djszapiit is gonna make users happy02:46
admiral0eventually i'm gonna ask my friends in bin-reverse to take a look at aegis02:46
admiral0our security team at university is pretty good :)02:47
djszapiadmiral0: they are not better than itsnotabigtruck :)02:47
admiral0we didn't even start looking02:47
admiral0we will02:48
djszapihe wanna know everything better, no matter if even better than the authors, or official sites :)02:48
djszapiadmiral0: which university is this ?02:48
djszapiif I may ask.02:48
admiral0why are you interested?02:49
admiral0legal things02:49
djszapibecause I know a good university which made quite many analyzes for google.02:49
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djszapiabout security, and they won a lot of money out of it.02:49
admiral0we just do stuff for fun02:49
admiral0ictf, defcon, ructfe02:50
admiral0nothing to do with google02:50
pasorry to bug you guys, again, no one ever used syncevolution? i managed to configure it, with two peers (two gmail_contacts account). i set the first as refresh from server, the second as one way from server02:51
pathe problem is that when i sync the second, only the contacts with ID> maxid from the first account are actually added (i think)02:51
panow actually it didnt sync at all in the second peer02:53
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tehdelydoes anyone know the meaning of this: Mar  4 17:13:11 (2012) cellular: csd[655]: simatk_report_event_notification:460 Building and sending ATK_REPORT_EVENT_NTF -message03:13
tehdelyit shows up in syslog quite a bit03:13
djszapiprobably no harm.03:14
tehdelyon a lark, i'm gonna try installing ad-hac via the AppsForMeego client03:14
tehdelywill be neat if it works03:14
tehdelyi gotta say03:16
tehdelyi know some things are frustrating with this phone03:16
tehdelybut as a long-time Nokia fanboy03:17
tehdelythis is such a breath of fresh air03:17
tehdelythat nothing can make me mad :>03:17
djszapiglad to hear that :)03:18
tehdelyi wish some of the stuff that only made it into the Symbian maps suite were available but otherwise it's all good03:18
tehdelythere's no Check In, separate Transport app, or ability to calculate time03:19
tehdely~*~ alas ~*~03:19
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admiral0i assigned a pass to user03:39
befordreboot and tell us what happens03:43
admiral0all ok03:46
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Richlviptables v1.4.8: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Permission denied (you must be root)04:28
Richlvi am root :/04:28
virtualdAEGIS_FIXED_ORIGIN override only allowed in OPEN MODE device04:47
virtualdrichlv: develsh -c 'iptables -nL'04:48
Richlvvirtuald, oh, interesting - thanks04:52
Richlvthought devel-su would be enough :)04:52
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virtualdrichlv: no the device is all locked down, it's an abomination to free software05:34
itsnotabigtruckvirtuald: accli -I05:42
itsnotabigtruckare you in open mode?05:42
itsnotabigtruckif not, that might be why :p05:42
itsnotabigtruckand Richlv: get used to using 'devel-su -s /bin/develsh'05:42
virtuald=P yeah i read the backlog after i tried that05:44
virtualdwhat stops working in open mode? sorry for asking all the faq's05:45
itsnotabigtruckvirtuald: very little but you have to completely wipe the phone while you go into open mode, or lots of things will stop working05:46
Richlvitsnotabigtruck, heh, changing shell was on my mind already, thanks :)05:48
slingrdo i need to backup before upgrading to PR1.2?06:27
tehdelyopensh, you complete me06:40
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djszapislingr: it does not hurt to make a backup.06:58
djszapivirtuald: not just open mode...about the AEGIS_FIXED_ORIGIN post07:00
djszapiit also works with R&D certificate.07:00
djszapivirtuald: and if you have an N9 with warranty, you theoritically lost the warranty with open mode (just a friendly reminder).07:00
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virtualdhaven't.put it in open mode yet and i may try to add an antenna to the fm transmitter amyway07:15
tehdelyvirtuald: i would _love_ to know if you pull that off07:23
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virtualdtehdely: i don't even known if it's possible yet07:25
jonnitehdely: you should catch the right timing (most likely) with: sudo flasher -R;sleep 1.5;sudo flasher -l -b -k07:26
tehdelyjonni: i pulled it off earlier07:26
jonnitehdely: roger07:27
tehdelyyanked the usb cable and held the power button till it powered off07:27
tehdelyand then had the flasher ready w/ kernel for when i plugged it abck in07:27
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meceZogG_laptop, *tadaa*08:00
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djszapiIs it possible to reside a Column in a page right to the top of ToolBar with anchors ? I cannot seem to be able to manage that.08:08
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djszapivirtuald: I have not said you put it into open mode ... not sure about "fm transmitter anyway" post.08:13
Venemo_N950fm transmitter?08:14
Venemo_N950oh, good morning djszapi :)08:15
djszapiVenemo_N950: morn08:30
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gabriel9did anyone read this:
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gabriel9i did not belive it will be this good08:49
ZogG_laptopmece: sup08:54
meceI'm on irc :)08:55
ZogG_laptopyeah i see it08:55
ZogG_laptopi'll query you08:55
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djszapiN9Venemo_N950, ping09:59
djszapiN9why is it immediately red if i query someone ?09:59
gabriel9|workwhat is red?09:59
djszapiN9gabriel9|work, my pants :)10:00
gabriel9|workdude, why red pants :D10:00
djszapiN9the title of the query dialog (aka the other buddy)10:00
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djszapiN9right, so aegis fixed origin only works in open mode, and the rescue hackery put the device into that10:09
djszapiN9so it seems to work as i expected, luckily then. The context was vague to me.10:10
djszapiN9tehdely, ^10:10
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VenemodjszapiN9, is it?10:15
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djszapiN9Venemo, indeed10:15
djszapiN9Venemo, plus it would be nice if i can turn the notification off.10:16
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djszapiN9plus the notifications could contain more information10:16
Venemoyou can turn notifications off in settings10:17
Venemowhat more info would you like?10:17
Venemoplease type your suggestions into #irc-chatter, I must leave now but I'll read them later10:17
djszapiN9which channel/query obviously10:17
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rigocan anybody tell me how to uninstall the facebook thing on the N9? The phone doesn't let me, which is weird10:25
djszapiN9rigo, what does it say in cli ?10:27
djszapiN9Venemo, also, whois would be nice to have as a supported command10:28
rigoCan't delete10:28
VenemodjszapiN9, okay :)10:28
rigoCan't uninstall Facebook10:28
Venemorigo, just don't use it.10:28
djszapiN9paste the full cli output pls.10:29
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djszapiN9Venemo, well it is still weird you cannot nuke it.10:29
rigodjszapiN9, this is in the application manager and the application manager doesn't show more output. What should I try to get more output?10:29
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djszapiN9rigo, cli10:30
djszapiN9in developer mode10:30
djszapiN9unless someone knows the exact reason by off hand, we need to get more information :)10:32
rigono cli here, apt-cache search "cli" gives man things but nothing immediately tangible10:34
Venemocli = command line interface10:35
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spenapjust wondering: if you don't mind having it installed, maybe you can simply remove the .desktop file to have it hidden from the application grid?10:39
spenaprigo: ^10:39
spenap(not sure if aegis would mind)10:39
jonniyou cannot uninstall since its depecy in mp-harmattan-001-pr, you would uninstall whole harmattan on it. But yes you can remove desktop file.10:39
Venemojonni +110:40
spenapbut I'm personally doing is storing all the apps I don't use in a folder10:40
spenapworks quite well for hidding them from me10:40
rigodam' it, should have asked the acronymfinder. Ok, did dpkg -r10:40
rigorather apt-get remove facebook10:41
denismdpkg -r --force-depends10:41
rigoand now it wants to remove facebook mp-harmattan-001-pr which makes the entire system obsolete10:41
rigoso if I remove facebook, my phone is bricked10:42
jonnidont remove, just hide10:42
rigojonni, I know, this is not the goal. I don't want to fix a bug here10:42
rigoI want to understand, as Brussels might be interested in such behavior. This is really weird10:43
rigoso I think I understood now that the facebook application is hardwired into the basic binaries when the phone is flashed10:44
jonniits just a core app that you cannot remove, nothing weird in it.10:44
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rigoI know, but see, MS media player and IE also were just core apps that you cannot remove and yet we now have more choice10:45
rigobut just consider my issue solved. :)10:45
jonniyou can always install 3rd party facebook client if you dont like the native one10:46
rigomy point is another one. You don't have a core client for google+ or that you can't remove10:46
ieatlintthat argument is the equiv of proving a negative10:47
phakobecause google+ didn't exist when the features for that phone were planned?10:47
rigoieatlint, and by turning it upside down, you will see a positive discrimination in favor of the market leader10:47
ieatlintyou lack sufficient knowledge to draw any conclusions at all10:48
rigoah, ok10:48
ieatlintfor all you know, facebook paid nokia for it, and it's a working business relationship10:48
ieatlintwhich is a standard business model, and no reason to believe it was exclusive10:49
ieatlintsimply put, you don't know, and nokia does not prevent 3rd parties from adding things like google+ support10:49
rigothey don't need to10:50
fluxisn't mp-harmattan-001-pr a virtual package? so basically removing it only results in potential future upgrades not working.10:52
fluxperhaps in that case you can re-install it before upgrading.10:52
itsnotabigtruckflux: except that everything in harmattan is marked auto10:53
rigoflux, thanks, but I just wanted to understand the bundling10:53
itsnotabigtruckremoving mp-harmattan-x-pr makes everything in the system autoremovable10:53
fluxitsnotabigtruck, and there's a system that automatically removes non-dependend auto-packaes?10:53
itsnotabigtruckand autoremoved it will be10:53
itsnotabigtruckcompletely hosing your system10:53
fluxwell, apt-get install the rest of the packages first then :)10:53
itsnotabigtruckyeah, the package management backend (package-manager) autoremoves after every operation10:53
itsnotabigtruckalso the apt-mark utility for managing the auto flag doesn't work without installing a bunch of stuff from the sdk repo10:54
itsnotabigtruckyou can safely get rid of it if you apt-mark everything as manual10:54
itsnotabigtruckand don't ever want to SSU in the future10:54
fluxnice, I didn't know about apt-mark10:54
fluxI was thinking though that when you apt-get install an installed auto-package, it just marks it non-auto10:55
itsnotabigtrucki think that works too10:56
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djszapiN9it is quite weird you cannot remove facebook10:58
djszapiN9so that it is also hard wired...10:58
djszapiN9rigo, did that work what denism wrote ?11:00
rigodjszapiN9, it would have wrecked my phone, so I did not do the --force-depends11:01
djszapiN9damn facebook :)11:02
rigoI just did apt-get remove facebook and apt offered to remove facebook mp-harmattan-001-pr and autoremove everything else11:02
rigoat that point, I selected option "n"11:02
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djszapiN9yes, of course, if it is also hard wired11:02
rigojust wanted to understand, now I understood. Thanks also to ieatlint for explaining me the business aspect of it11:03
denismrigo: "dpkg -r --force-depends facebook" will just remove the facebook package, that's all11:03
rigowith potential consequences for the SSU11:04
denismyes :)11:04
rigonot keen on doing that11:04
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itsnotabigtruckdenism: that will also hose up apt11:08
itsnotabigtruckdon't do that11:08
itsnotabigtruckgo with the apt-mark approach, you could also tamper with /var/lib/dpkg/status11:09
itsnotabigtruckand change the dependencies of mp-harmattan-001-pr11:09
djszapiN9rigo i do not personally advice the desktop file removal11:09
djszapiN9the less hassle, if you just ignore it as me. :)11:11
fluxmaybe you can chmod a-r the desktop file11:14
fluxnot sure what will happen though :)11:14
rigopractically, that's what I'll do.11:14
fluxreminded by this, I'll create a folder 'Crap' and put all the, well, crap inside it11:15
djszapiN9rigo life is full of compromises :)11:15
djszapiN9...and pants :)11:15
meceitsnotabigtruck, how do you mess with the meta package dependencies?11:16
djszapiN9flux that folder is gonna run out of space in no time :p11:16
fluxdjszapin9, they don't scroll?11:16
djszapiN9just joking :)11:17
qronicrigo, just add NotShowIn=X-MeeGo; into facebook .desktop file11:17
rigothere is always a workaround in IT :)11:18
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djszapiN9point is, why do you need to modify a core package content for no real reasons.11:19
djszapiN9 to not see one icon out of the about 40.11:20
rigothere is a reason, and this reason is created by business and I have understood that now :)11:20
rigoand a very onerous reason, I assume11:20
djszapiN9it is created by business reason to hide one icon ? :)11:21
rigoyou can't imagine how much noise it created when Jobs refused to have flash on his devices ... So there are entire industries depending on such deals...11:21
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auenftime to hide djszapiN9 from the world for a business reason11:26
itsnotabigtruckdjszapiN9: sounds like a corporate policy to baninate social networking anything?11:27
itsnotabigtruckalso o.O11:27
itsnotabigtruckmece: well, you go edit the file and change them to whatever you want11:29
itsnotabigtruckprobably best to kick up the version a notch too11:29
itsnotabigtrucklike add a +hacked1 or something to the end11:29
djszapiitsnotabigtruck: no, that is not what I meant.11:32
djszapiI asked why bother with altering a core package content for no real gains.11:32
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itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: i meant more as in rigo's objective11:35
itsnotabigtruckit sounds like the goal is to actually eliminate facebook from the phone11:35
djszapiI could not mention any real gains in comparison with the mess altering a core package content.11:36
jonnias its integrated into too many places, most likely it cannot be removed, but you can block it from working quite easily, etc/hosts, iptables, etc11:37
jonni(if your corporate policy forbids facebook)11:38
djszapihaha I would be surprised, if it is for real you cannot use the phone you bought :D11:38
rigoI will never ever again raise such an issue here :)11:38
djszapiat your company.11:39
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djszapiand even more, if they actually check technically you nuke "facebook" out.11:40
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itsnotabigtruckrigo: tweaking the system metapackage and expunging anything that looks like facebook seems like the most elegant solution11:40
itsnotabigtruckthat should at least remove things like the account plugin and facebook app11:41
itsnotabigtruckyou could of course also easily break your system doing tricks like that11:41
djszapirigo: have you company asked for nuking facebook on your phone ?11:41
rigo1/ my phone is a company phone11:41
rigo2/ my company is veeeery tolerant ;)11:42
djszapiboth points confirm that, you do not really need to hack the phone out.11:42
djszapifor no real gains.11:42
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rigodjszapi, that wasn't my intent. I wanted to understand the bundling for non-technical solutions11:43
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infobotrigo meant: djszapi, that wasn't my intent. I wanted to understand the bundling for non-technical conclusions11:43
rigogood bot11:43
djszapiindeed, and that is why I said, it is just better to ignore one icon, no ? :)11:44
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rigoand that's what I'll do11:45
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rigodjszapi, but see, that actually gives me hope11:46
rigothe guys @facebook are everything but stupid11:46
rigoso if they bet money on having their app integrated into the N9, that means the have given this phone a potential11:47
djszapitehdely: do you have a qt5 build on Mac ?11:47
jonniwell actually facebook.provider is not in refhash list, so if you remove that file, then there is noway to make facebook accout, and your device would be 'without facebook'11:48
jonniif someone would want to make device without facebook....11:48
djszapijonni except that if it blows unexpectedly in the future11:48
djszapithey add it to the refhashlist etc11:48
djszapiit is really not worth it ...11:48
jonnibut nobody wants to do that anyways :)11:48
djszapior even a simple regression11:49
jonniyep that profider can appear back on next update.11:49
djszapinah, really...11:49
djszapiyou do not wanna risk this by any means.11:49
djszapithere are already enough troubles, to have yet another potential one.11:49
rigoit's really impossible to stop, seems too intriguing :))11:50
djszapijonni: actually, you gave me an idea for a report :)11:52
djszapisince it is a problem imo...11:52
djszapialso, I am surprised about the desktop file modifications too11:53
djszapisince if it is this benevolent, you can replace the exe line with anything....11:53
djszapiwhich is an attack surface...11:54
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radiofreedjszapi: pong12:14
djszapiradiofree: sorry, wanted to find someone with native English for checking my email back then, but already figured out. Thanks. :)12:14
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radiofreeheh, ok ;)12:15
radiofreemy irc bouncer isn't too great, I didn't see the PM until I got in today12:15
djszapidoes load for others ?12:15
djszapiok, it now loads.12:16
dfaureitsnotabigtruck: love you, man ;)12:17
dfaureitsnotabigtruck: my N9 boots again, and I didn't lose my calendar/contacts12:17
dfaurejust had to flash the .bin you gave me the url for12:17
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djszapiany arch users here ?12:50
gabriel9|worki use one and only arch :)12:55
gabriel9|workyou have problems with keys?12:57
gabriel9|workimporting them?12:57
djszapigabriel9|work: not sure.12:57
gabriel9|workdid you update your pacman.conf?12:57
gabriel9|workyou need to use new one12:57
gabriel9|worki think new one is named pacman.conf.new12:58
gabriel9|workor something like that12:58
djszapigabriel9|work: I fixed it:
gabriel9|worki'm not at home and ar work i have win12:59
gabriel9|workso i can't check that commands12:59
gabriel9|workbut if it works great :)12:59
djszapithe thingie is that...13:00
djszapithe arch keyserver (default) is unrelaiable.13:00
djszapiand the second got also messy13:00
djszapiand I now need to use a third one ..13:00
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gabriel9|workfor me that new system with keys is too much13:24
gabriel9|workthings worked good before13:24
djszapiif you make things complicated, it is a general rule to make it automated for users to switch without hassles.13:25
abitsnotabigtruck, regarding bug 1062, I've got promise from the head of imaging team it will be fixed.13:38
_MeeGoBot_Bug nor, ---, ---, marcell.lengyel, ASSI, libfcam-dev (camera control API) not available in Platform SDK13:39
abby way of the bug update you can also see there will be SDK update very soon.13:41
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tsenykhmpf ... i kind of bricked my device :) ... same as 2 others in my office :)14:25
tsenykwe were brave/dumb enought to try PR1.3 .. it seams that the lock-screen and the SIM-stack is broken since 40.2012.9-x14:26
tsenykn9 retail version14:26
djszapitsenyk: you might wanna use internal irc channel for PR1.314:26
tsenykhm ok, your right :)14:26
djszapisince that is not released yet.14:26
tsenyksorry :)14:26
djszapiI can help with the same nickname there.14:26
phakotsenyk: ping me(jgeorg) on PMO14:28
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jreznikwouldn't be easier open source the whole harmattan and than use this channel? :)))14:52
djszapijreznik: open source does not mean there are no confidential information in a company, itself.14:53
jreznikdjszapi: yeah, I understand and I hate it - everything should be open in open company :)14:54
djszapithat is why I disliked MeeGo, too.14:55
djszapior Tizen.14:55
djszapion an interesting note, it seems Tizen dropped WAC2.014:55
djszapithey might go for some jquery mobile or what ? :)14:56
jreznikthe intel guys are crazy, every half yer a new technology...15:00
djszapiI would attend to the Tizen conference for fun.15:00
jreznikwould be great to have billions dollars and just spend them depending on your mood :)15:00
djszapibut I would not be able to get sponsorship.15:00
jreznikdjszapi: that could be funny :)15:00
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djszapi -> Does powertop work for anybody15:25
djszapiI tried to install the power analyzes that way, but I am not getting "powertop" in the command line.15:26
djszapi"devtools-power" and "energy-profiler-plugin-power" packages I get on ly.15:26
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djszapiseems like a buggy documentation15:44
* djszapi is opening a bug report...15:44
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djszapi -> feel free to vote ;-)15:52
_MeeGoBot_Bug 1119 maj, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, NEW, PowerTOP is not available for developers despite of the documentation15:52
itsnotabigtruckab: awesome :) and yeah, the promise of an SDK update of some kind incoming is probably the most important thing15:54
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danielcbitHi Everybody. Does some one know how to erase user files with postrm deb script?15:55
itsnotabigtruckdanielcbit: what kind of user files? if they're data files it's not normally something you're supposed to do15:56
itsnotabigtruckanyway, you would write a case statement and when removing, you'd nuke the files with rm, simple as that15:56
danielcbitfiles created in .config and .local by my app.15:57
merlin1991anbody got a working ntp client on the n9? I don't want to install the full ntpd15:57
danielcbititsnotabigtruck: I did this but I always get Permission denied15:57
merlin1991just make an udpate once in a while15:57
djszapidanielcbit: I can show an example15:58
djszapiif you are interested in that.15:58
itsnotabigtruckoh yeah, the files are owned by user15:58
itsnotabigtruckyour postrm script runs as root15:58
djszapiit is very simple.15:58
itsnotabigtrucktry asserting <request context="INSTALL"><credential name="UID::user" /></request>15:58
itsnotabigtruckthat makes your postrm script run as user, i think15:59
djszapidanielcbit: for my cups package:
danielcbititsnotabigtruck: Ok, I'll try it.15:59
djszapidanielcbit: -> and this is the aegis file for that15:59
djszapidanielcbit: you can remove the first two sections, and customize the last according to your needs (user files: user access).16:00
danielcbitdjszapi: but i still need the capability described by itsnotabigtruck. Right?16:00
djszapiand I gave you a full fledged example :)16:00
djszapiso it is only copy/paste :)16:00
djszapiAlso, note that: you cannot fine tune the request only for the postrm script.16:01
danielcbitThanks djszapi! This should be in the nokia Docs, although it is quite trivial.16:01
djszapiI wanted to implement that granularity back then, but did not find the time.16:01
djszapidanielcbit: it is in the Nokia docs ;-)16:01
danielcbitdjszapi: I didn't managed to find. And I looked really hard.16:02
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: hm16:03
djszapidanielcbit: "The context attribute" here:
itsnotabigtruckso preinst and postrm always run as UID::root and no caps?16:03
djszapithat is false.16:03
djszapiwhat I referred to is that you cannot have different cred set for those separately.16:04
djszapias in, having A for 1, B for 2, etc16:04
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: that doc wouldn't help if he didn't already know how to solve it16:04
itsnotabigtruckoh ok16:04
djszapiwhere 1,2 .. are the maintainer scripts.16:04
itsnotabigtruckright, i think the 4 scripts always run with the same caps16:04
djszapiwell, that docs helped many people :)16:04
djszapiI do not just think, I know :)16:05
djszapiunfortunately, I had not the time for making it nicer. oh well.16:05
djszapiAlso, I wonder why the SDK team did not pubish the many examples I wrote back then.16:06
djszapiI think they would be useful for noobs about Harmattan security :/16:07
danielcbitdjszapi: Ok, I see it. But it is not related to remove user files. It seem kind of obscure info. The user has to make the connections to understand and use it.16:07
djszapiyes of course.16:07
djszapiwe cannot provide copy/paste examples for everybody16:07
djszapibut the theory is there how to request creds for the maintainer scripts.16:08
itsnotabigtruckkeep in mind that a lot of people still don't realize that being root != having dac_override god-mode filesystem access16:09
djszapithe documentation is already too long to make it even longer and more useful, so a minimal thinking is expected :)16:09
itsnotabigtruckand on normal debian you can rm anything anywhere from your maintainer scripts16:09
danielcbitdjszapi: A nice note where would make things much clear:
djszapidanielcbit: what do you mean ?16:09
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danielcbitdjszapi: A note about the requirements for running maintainer scripts and a link to the aegis doc for deeper info16:11
djszapithere are two types of users: 1) Hate reading long docs 2) Hate short docs -> we have to find a balance in that, and I do not think this special case would be any hard. If you need to remove something, you need to be able to do that, so you need to request a credential. How to request a credential ? Manifest syntax guide.16:11
djszapiif we enumeate every single use case word by word, without requiring even a simple logic from /developers/, the documentation would go haywire.16:12
djszapiIt is already very long according to many.16:13
danielcbitdjszapi: everything is easy after you solved it. Bear in mind that. But thanks for all the help. I'll try to look harder next time16:13
danielcbitdjszapi: I'm not saying about making it longer, but making it more connected. This would make novice developers feel  more supported16:15
djszapiI do not really understand the problem.16:15
djszapiI need to do something. Do I have the creds for that ? No, mmh... I need to request it. How can I request it ? Go to the manifest syntax guide.16:15
djszapiit sounds natural logic to me.16:16
djszapiI am unsure in this context what "connected" menas.16:16
djszapiPlease note that, the security team is not responsible for making the SDK documentation "connections", if you need such a thing16:17
djszapiwe have never seen such a packaging documentation internally.16:17
djszapiFeel free to file a bugreport against the SDK team, if it really makes you happy. We need people happy in the end :)16:21
danielcbitdjszapi: Like I was saying. Everything is much easier after you solved It. But a small not in would certainly help lots of users.16:22
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danielcbitdjszapi: But thanks for the help and for the example!16:22
djszapiyour are the first one I heard so far :)16:23
djszapibut really, if it bugs you, create a bugreport16:23
djszapiI will not mind :)16:23
djszapiThey can probably add a link to the security documentation.16:23
danielcbitdjszapi: Ok.16:24
itsnotabigtrucki think the issue here is that this is the sort of situation where no one realizes they need caps16:25
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djszapiitsnotabigtruck: and that is how, if operation permitted ?16:25
itsnotabigtruckalso qt creator works hard to hide aegis from the dev, which means that if you need any deviation from that then people don't know what to do16:25
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djszapioperation permitted is operation permitted everywhere.16:26
djszapiand even the SDK says that, if you need something that it does not autogenerate, go to the security guide16:26
djszapi"For further details".16:26
itsnotabigtruckdoesn't mean people will fully understand the security guide and know they need more caps16:27
itsnotabigtruckwell, creds, i should call them creds16:27
djszapiyou can use any of those, I will understand :)16:29
djszapiwell, if operation is not permitted, it is always a good thing to ask yourself: are you allowed to do that ?16:30
djszapiwhich is, if you are not sure, go to the security guide.16:30
danielcbitdjszapi: Another problem is to know that caps are needed and which ones are really needed. What every caps provide is not documented.16:31
djszapidanielcbit: most of them are upstream linux16:31
dfaureitsnotabigtruck: saw my note this morning? I want to thank you for your howto and for the download link, my N9 is working again.16:31
djszapithis is also documented, and also how you get the available creds that you can request.16:32
djszapifor the latter: accli is a good helper util.16:32
djszapibut there are other ways, too.16:32
itsnotabigtruckdfaure: glad you got your N9 going again :)16:33
dfaureitsnotabigtruck: and I didn't lose my calendar nor contacts. You saved me man ;)16:34
danielcbitdjszapi:"/usr/include/linux/capabilities.h" from where? My distro? Harmattan?16:34
djszapidanielcbit: /usr/include/linux/capability.h on Harmattan of course :)16:35
djszapithere is a simple mapping from there into CAP::X stuff.16:35
itsnotabigtruckyeah, CAP::x is all linux capabilities, which are poorly documented but exist in all linux16:35
djszapidanielcbit: you know what ? I will put up a wikipage about the several policies16:36
djszapito make it simpler to grab.16:36
itsnotabigtruckusually they're used so you can e.g. have a daemon that's allowed to listen on low ports but not do any other root stuf16:36
danielcbitdjszapi: My N9 doesn't this file anywhere in the system.16:38
itsnotabigtruckdanielcbit: it's a kernel header file, it would be in your scratchbox16:38
djszapidanielcbit: it is bundled during the build I guess.16:38
itsnotabigtruckbut you can find info about caps on the net16:38
* itsnotabigtruck has to run16:38
djszapidanielcbit: the dpk wrapper "imports" the mapping in during the build time.16:38
danielcbitdjszapi: This wiki would certainly help lots of people.16:39
djszapidanielcbit: you can grab this file on the kernel lxr page16:39
djszapiwith the relevant kernel version16:39
djszapiI do not think we have local alterings in comparison with upstream16:39
djszapiwrt that file.16:39
itsnotabigtruckbasically UID = your process' uid, GID = your process' gid, GRP = adds more groups beyond the gid, CAP = partial root access, tcb = lets you control aegis, everything else = can do anything, most of them have to do with dbus services16:40
itsnotabigtruckdanielcbit ^16:40
danielcbitdjszapi: Ok. But you see. It is an enormous amount of work for such information. The wiki would be great!16:40
djszapitcb is mostly irrelevant16:41
djszapiand there are way more creds than that :)16:41
djszapidanielcbit: many people have been complaining about documentation since last summer, but nobody put up a wikipage yet even a minimal one, ehh ? :)16:41
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: well yeah, there's way more creds, but they aren't hardwired into the system like those are16:42
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djszapihuh ?16:43
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djszapiwhat do you mean ? Could you please clarify ?16:43
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: i mean, the UID/GID/GRP/CAP/tcb ones have special meaning16:44
itsnotabigtruckthe other ones only do something if an app checks for them16:44
itsnotabigtrucke.g. the package manager ones that package-manager or dbus checks for16:44
djszapistill not sure what is your point16:44
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djszapiUID is needed for A16:44
djszapiother cap is needed for B16:45
itsnotabigtruckso it makes sense to lump them together as "everything else"16:45
djszapiNokia specific token is needed for C16:45
djszapiCommunity specific token is needed for C16:45
djszapithey all have their purposes.16:45
djszapimmmh, it is gonna be a hard job, I am used to the Nokia style wiki pages...not the meego style..16:46
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djszapidanielcbit: Not much information yet, but as a start ...16:51
djszapiI am soon off to the Plasma Active sprint, so I might not be able to extend it any soon :/16:51
djszapi -> and I put a link in here for getting it easily accessible.16:52
danielcbitdjszapi: But this is a great start!16:52
djszapiif I found my examples I wrote, I will publish those, too.16:53
djszapibut I do not have access to my Nokia email anymore.16:53
djszapiso cannot guarantee.16:53
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djszapioh noes, I nuked everything aegis related while leaving...16:53
djszapieven what was public stuff, meh.16:53
djszapidanielcbit: that was it: Please check, if it is useful, I can put up to a public wiki page.16:56
danielcbitdjszapi: This would certainly help, Put also an note about "/usr/include/linux/capabilities.h"16:59
danielcbitfor other capabilities not described in this doc.17:00
djszapithey are, but we could link the lxr kernel source seeker engine17:00
djszapifor online browsing without checking it inside the build environment.17:01
djszapithough it would be better to link against the other page I have just created and describe it there more explicitely than the header file17:01
djszapiand if anybody (for some reasons, I do not know why) would need more information, he can go to the capability.h header file.17:01
djszapiradiofree: ping, are you satisfied with Marble ?17:03
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danielcbitdjszapi: This would be great!17:04
pais it possible to delete all messages (SMS) via command line?17:10
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djszapianybody experiencing that, while connected to a wifi network, it writes that "you need to connect to a wifi network for downloading" inside the maps application ?17:45
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befordnew nokia publisher page has some rendering problems :/18:01
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djszapidoes anybody know how to align my Column in a page right above the Toolbar with some spacing like 5-10 px ?18:14
djszapianchor.bottom:; did not work out quite well.18:14
spenapi think you have to put parent.bottom, regardless of the toolbar being there18:18
spenapand then parent.bottomMargin18:18
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djszapiokay, let me try.18:19
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djszapi(I think I already tried that, but I may have messed that up)18:19
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djszapispenap: ok that really helped, thanks.18:30
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itsnotabigtruckanyone on atm?18:56
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njsfI am also off18:58
djszapibeford: xD18:58
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djszapiieatlint: pants18:59
djszapiieatlint: do I need to make any activities my qt5 patch was accepted, or will the approvers/maintainers manage that ?18:59
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npmwinning! "meegolem-38-~> cp -p /media/n950-user/home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/1203*.jpg /media/n9-user/home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/.19:20
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npmwtf is a "tweet content error"...  (status of a failed attempt to share a photo via twitter)19:39
fluxbtw, the pictures from my camera seem to have different kind of names than before19:42
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fluxprobably changed at pr1.2.. is there a way to revert? they used to be yyyymmdd_nnn.jpg but now they are yymmnnnn.jpg19:43
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velihello, any idea how to locate the correct (as in same that qml uses) offlinestorage file from c++ side? Wonder if the md5 is stored somewhere.20:49
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infobotupdate is, like,
admiral0DocScrutinizer: update ~update please21:00
ZogG_laptopadmiral0: no OTA here, DocScrutinizer  didn't want to flash bot =P21:02
djszapiany ideas how to disable the button for clicks, but enable them all back in a positioner for an event ?
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ZogG_laptopdjszapi: enabled=true?21:13
djszapithat is not gonna solve it for all.21:14
ZogG_laptopthan you make script21:14
ZogG_laptopor  enabled:(something===1)?false :true21:15
ZogG_laptopand than you make the event to change it21:15
ZogG_laptopfro all buttons21:15
djszapiI tried to make the value conditional, depending on a value, but it did not work out for me.21:17
djszapias far as I set it, once false, it remains.21:17
ZogG_laptopworks for me21:17
ZogG_laptopas wall you can use states21:18
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djszapimmh, it seems it works what I did in kanagram21:24
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djszapimmmh, nope..I was wrong.21:30
djszapiwell, no idea how to solve it.21:30
djszapithe most simply.21:30
ZogG_laptopshow how you use it?21:30
djszapinah, it is still not clear even in theory.21:30
ZogG_laptopokay it works for me anyway21:31
djszapimeanwhile I have achieved same in kanagram according to the model data.21:31
djszapithat is not gonna work here.21:31
ZogG_laptopusing it in imgrup21:31
djszapinabled:(something===1)?false :true -> it is not okay for my use case21:32
djszapisince my use case is not black and white21:32
djszapimy use case is black and colorful21:32
djszapiso any combination can occur during the game.21:32
djszapibut enabled by default.21:32
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: yeah,that's why you change something on and off21:33
ZogG_laptop1 or 0 i mean21:33
djszapiwith the above line, everything is either enabled or disabled.21:33
djszapiand that is not my scenario.21:34
ZogG_laptopthan just use in cript button1.enabled=true;21:34
djszapithere is no button121:34
djszapiall have the same id21:35
djszapithat is no separation21:35
djszapifor individual buttons21:35
veliWell if anyone else wonders how that offline storage can be found from c++:
ZogG_laptopthan do it21:36
djszapido what ?21:36
djszapianyway, others too: This is something that I would like to achieve.21:36
djszapibut the problem is that with khangman, it does not depend on the model data.21:36
djszapiso it is a bit more trouble.. actually I have no ideas how to do that.21:37
ZogG_laptopjust load the name for every button in loader there are ids21:38
djszapiI was thinking of (status == init) ? true : true;21:40
djszapiso they are true for each status change.21:41
djszapiand if I flip out of the init state once, and then false immediately, I am good to go21:41
djszapiand when I turn it back to init, everything gets true.21:41
djszapiif the flip does not happen for status change in qml, I am not sure then ...21:42
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* djszapi still waiting for ideas, if any :)22:54
paanyone knowledeable of the HW of N9?  if i plug it to a usb port that is capable of up to 2A (instead of the standard 500mA), does the N9 drains 2A, or it sticks to 500mA?22:56
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djszapiSpeedEvil: ^22:58
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DrGrovSafe to keep the N9 charging over right, 12-15 hours or so without removing charger once it has fully charged?23:14
DrGrovThanks djszapi23:14
djszapieven with wall charger imho23:14
DrGrovYes, I am using the wall charger23:14
djszapione of my device is on the charger for many weeks xD23:14
djszapiI forgot to actually remove now you say...23:15
DrGrovI just thought to verify since I probably will forget to remove it anyhow later tonight before I get to bed23:15
* djszapi does not go to bed tonigh23:15
djszapifrals ping23:16
DrGrovWhat kind of times are we talking about when it eventually becomes harmful for the phone battery to be charging constantly?23:16
djszapifrals you are good at Qml, do you have any ideas for the button enable/disable issues ?23:16
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itsnotabigtruckany idea why: sudo chmod -R a=rX,u+w dir23:19
itsnotabigtruckseems to be skipping files in the directory tree?23:19
itsnotabigtruck(this isn't harmattan, but close enough)23:19
djszapiinteresting you use capital x23:21
djszapiwhat precisely do you mean by "skipping files" ?23:21
itsnotabigtrucki'm under the impression it's supposed to make directories +x and files -x23:21
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itsnotabigtruckso the idea is to normalize a directory tree to 0644 on files and 0755 on directories23:22
djszapispenap: do you have any ideas for that very qml issue ?23:23
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kneeAnyone else having problems with wlan connections in pr1.2?? Connection 'seems' to be ok, but I can't download anything / open webpages.. Reconnect to the network helps.. at least for a while (problem occurs every few minutes)23:28
kneeI tried to reflash my n9 (which didn't help), I'm now clearing the device to see if that helps.. But I'm open to any other solution (/or test..)23:29
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njsfknee no, my current problem is with gmail syncing not happening on Fenix23:31
njsfbut Wlan connections work fine23:31
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itsnotabigtruckbtw it looks like my problem was that X doesn't do quite what i thought it did, in chmod23:50
itsnotabigtrucki thought it was +x for directories only, it's actually +x for directories /and/ files that have any of their +x bits set23:51
itsnotabigtruckthat is, it'll set +x on files but it won't clear it23:51
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