| ajalkane | What's the best way to install packages to QtCreator so that I can compile for Harmattan? I need, I guess, libcellular-qt1, that I find in the device using apt-cache search... but by default QtCreator does not find the header files when I try compiling it. So I guess I need to somehow install it into the cross-compilation environment? | 00:02 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | ajalkane: there's a utility that installs packages into MADDE | 00:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so you need to get the -dev packages you need and do that | 00:07 |
| ajalkane | itsnotabigtruck: but where do I get the -dev packages? | 00:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ajalkane: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/ and compilation from sdk_sources_pr1.1.iso packages | 00:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or various source packages from meego/harmattan git repos | 00:08 |
| ajalkane | itsnotabigtruck: thanks... but I can't seem to find libcellular-qt1. At least not from that web-page. | 00:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, first, it won't be called libcellular-qt1 | 00:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it'll be libcellular-qt-dev | 00:12 |
| ajalkane | true that, but I can't find any libcellular* from there :) | 00:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | second, it's because it's in the nokia-binaries part | 00:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | try this | 00:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/nokia-binaries/41667a5bd857be02f487c2ce806fbf85/nokia-binaries/libc/libcellular-qt/libcellular-qt-dev_0.10.10+0m6_armel.deb | 00:12 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | third, use scratchbox | 00:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | :p | 00:12 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | there's a lot of problems with the SDK setup, but the common ones are mostly due to people not using the proper tools | 00:13 |
| ajalkane | ah... nokia-binaries was the one that didn't allow me browsing it. How did you find it? | 00:13 |
| ajalkane | I'm not going to scratch the box until I have to. But sounds like I have to eventually. This would be easier there? apt-get away? | 00:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ajalkane: yeah, with scratchbox you just apt-get it | 00:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the nokia binaries repo is added by default there | 00:16 |
| ajalkane | Thanks a lot | 00:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: do you have scratchbox updated now? | 00:19 |
| ajalkane | Fucking hell, it compiled now. Great. | 00:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 00:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: ? | 00:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: yeah...why do you ask | 00:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i don't feel like going and building all those packages :p | 00:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: can you apt-cache info signon-plugins and apt-cache search oauth2 | 00:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | wanna knwo if they are there | 00:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: hold on, firing up the vm | 00:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | maybe they are there and than you can download debs only | 00:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | as it would take me ages only to compile scratchbox =) | 00:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: no signon-oauth stuff | 00:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you don't compile scratchbox | 00:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you download an installer from nokia that puts everything on your system | 00:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's not difficult at all to set up, and everyone doing anything needs it eventually :p | 00:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the very fact you're doing something with signond is a sign you should be using scratchbox | 00:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: i'm on gentoo here and i compile everything =) | 00:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: that could be a problem, you might need to tear apart nokia's installer and figure out where it downloads the rootstrap and stuff from | 00:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nokia only recommends loading it onto debian and ubuntu | 00:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | maybe you should use a vm | 00:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that sort of complication is the price you pay for using a source distro :p | 00:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also btw if your blog post is intended to be seen by nokia people, better grammar it up before distributing it too widely | 00:36 |
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| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: english is not my native as well as i think it's useless if Nokia would see it | 00:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: pretty sure they know it by themselves, as there are thousands of msgs like that | 00:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | just wanted to write it- that's it | 00:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | btw i had scratchbox, but it takes a lot of space and as i ddin't use it - deleted it | 00:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | i have small harddrive | 00:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ah yeah | 00:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | scratchbox is taking up a ton of room on my VM | 00:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | /dev/root 25G 18G 5.9G 75% / | 00:51 |
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| ZogG_laptop | /dev/sdb5 33G 24G 7.3G 77% /home | 00:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | heh | 00:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: 68gb ssd here | 00:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | i need to check btw why i have 18gbs used | 00:51 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | let's see if i can do a build | 00:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | as on desktop 10 gb for root is enuf =) | 00:52 |
| ajalkane | how can scratchbox take that much space? | 00:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: do you need any source packages besides signon and signon-oauth2 | 00:52 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | ajalkane: because it's two complete installations of harmattan | 00:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: meh, don't bother, i doubt it would work as well as lioauth is missing or it's called oauth2plugin | 00:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | incl tons of dev stuff | 00:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and liboauth-dev is in the scratchbox repo too | 00:53 |
| ajalkane | man, how come developing stuff take this much space nowadays :P | 00:53 |
| ajalkane | Luckily I bought a 2TB drive a while ago so I can afford to install scratchbox when the need arrives | 00:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: i tried to trcik it and just copied sigon-lugins/sigon/* to sysroot | 00:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | got other error | 00:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | something missing =) | 00:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: just tell me which packages you need | 00:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | ajalkane: i can do it on desctop as i have about 4 TB there, but comp there is slow =\ | 00:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | don't manually copy header files in, that's inelegant | 00:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and a recipe for screwed up builds | 00:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: if i would know, i think liboauth and singon-plugins | 00:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | i don't know if they depend on others like singond singon-qt | 00:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | mardy would know as he is dev =) | 00:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | dev-embedded/scratchbox2- what is that? | 00:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: how much longer will you be available | 01:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | want to make sure you're still here when this is done | 01:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: i'm gona go offline for an 30 min/ hour | 01:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | and than gona come back | 01:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: btw do you have jabber? | 01:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: yup | 01:04 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop ZogG_N9: got my xmpp address? | 01:09 |
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| ZogG_N9_ | itsnotabigtruck, oops had to run away, would be online as get to friends house | 01:09 |
| ZogG_N9_ | itsnotabigtruck, nope | 01:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_N9_ ZogG_laptop: anyway, i have the build going | 01:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i sent the JID to both your laptop and n9 | 01:10 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | it's kinda strange how harmattan has both APS and signon - two different schemes for protecting local data | 01:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | build is almost done for signon | 01:15 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://zunedevwiki.org/misc/signon_9.17-2+0m7_armel.tar | 01:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://zunedevwiki.org/misc/signon-oauth2plugin_0.15.3+0m7_armel.tar | 01:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_N9_ ZogG_laptop: you better do something cool with those :P | 01:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | load all the packages that don't have doc, dbg, test, or example in the name into your dev environment | 01:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and if you copied headers in manually, clean those out first | 01:42 |
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| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: i copied backups =) | 01:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw ZogG_laptop: consider trying to harmattanize the imgrup ui a little more | 01:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the carousel at the top with the sections looks kinda iphone style | 01:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: waiting for wazd to have free time | 01:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: i would like to have feedback mockups suggestions | 01:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: do you use it btw? | 01:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also the nokia pure font should be used everywhere (don't use swiss for ui elements) | 01:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: i didn't set font | 01:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i noticed it a while back, didn't end up installing it | 01:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | always set the font | 01:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the font is set incorrectly by default | 01:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i think you can set the font according to the theme | 01:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that should put it on nokia pure | 01:50 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: ping | 01:56 |
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| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: sorry | 02:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | we reseted router | 02:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | iphone doesn't support wpa2? =) | 02:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | n9 connects fine | 02:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: did you ever send me an xmpp request | 02:25 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | also man, isn't it the middle of the night in .il? | 02:26 |
| Venemo | hrmm | 02:27 |
| Venemo | this bug is just friggin annoying | 02:27 |
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| Venemo | itsnotabigtruck, it doesn't only happen after you click on the area and then the field, but sometimes even when you start typing | 02:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: yeah | 02:28 |
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| Venemo | I guess this is a bug in the vkb. it does not happen when I use the hwkb | 02:30 |
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| Venemo | itsnotabigtruck, I've written an ugly workaround | 02:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Venemo: heh | 02:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | any idea why this is actually happening though? | 02:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the error correction feature obviously isn't supposed to grab text from other parts of the app | 02:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it shouldn't even *know* about that text | 02:50 |
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| Venemo | itsnotabigtruck, agreed, but I haven't got a clue. | 02:52 |
| Venemo | itsnotabigtruck, maybe when achipa or vivainio are around, I will be able to ask them | 02:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Venemo: so i'm guessing there's a root cause that needs to be found | 02:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just swapping the old text back in probably isn't a real solution | 02:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or whatever the w/a would end up being | 02:53 |
| Venemo | itsnotabigtruck, yeah, it's that ugly... | 02:54 |
| Venemo | I have no clue what the root cause might be. | 02:55 |
| Venemo | if I set the TextArea's enabled to false, the bug won't happen, but obviously then text selection or links wouldn't work. | 02:55 |
| Venemo | in any case, I will release a new version with the current fixes | 02:55 |
| Venemo | this bug has driven poor djszapi nuts, so I think he'll be happy to find out the solution :) | 02:56 |
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| Venemo | itsnotabigtruck, do you feel like trying? 'wget http://j.mp/yaOhzV' | 03:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw that server is giving that deb mimetype > application/x-troff-man | 03:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | wtf? | 03:01 |
| Venemo | I haven't a clue, perhaps fedora people don't like .debs? | 03:01 |
| Venemo | anyway, open a terminal, type 'wget http://j.mp/yaOhzV' and you'll have it | 03:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, just loaded it | 03:02 |
| Venemo_N950 | I changed the tool bar appearance for ZogG_laptop | 03:03 |
| Venemo_N950 | also added some more prettiness for you guys :) | 03:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ooh, i like the changes to the accounts screen | 03:03 |
| * beford tries | 03:04 | |
| Venemo_N950 | ssl is fixed too | 03:04 |
| Venemo_N950 | 'll try | 03:04 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Venemo_N950: hrm...it doesn't seem to be connecting *without* ssl now | 03:05 |
| Venemo | itsnotabigtruck, it connects for me :) | 03:05 |
| Venemo | anyway, I need to get some sleep, so I wish you a good evening | 03:09 |
| Venemo | itsnotabigtruck, if you find new bugs, we can talk about it tomorrow :) | 03:10 |
| Venemo | I found some... | 03:10 |
| Venemo | anyway, bye! :) | 03:11 |
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| Venemo_N950 | scrollback is still buggy sometimes, and so are the notifications | 03:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh yay, i'm connected | 03:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | with ssl this time, no idea about non-ssl | 03:14 |
| ircn9 | im not using ssl | 03:14 |
| beford | test | 03:15 |
| beford | test2 | 03:15 |
| Venemo_N950 | beford :) | 03:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Venemo_N950: hmm | 03:16 |
| Venemo_N950 | itsnotabigtruck, hmm? | 03:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | looking at the existing nokia stuff on the phone | 03:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the irc server entry should be something like | 03:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | [O ] Server > | 03:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i.e. switch on left, and a > on the right to indicate you can go deeper | 03:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's what e.g. the nokia account config screen does | 03:17 |
| Venemo_N950 | heh, switch is on the right, everywhere in Harmattan | 03:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | actually on the nokia account config screen, it's both :p | 03:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's one at the right on top, and two on the left below | 03:17 |
| beford | 123 | 03:18 |
| beford | 10 | 03:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | beford: hm? | 03:18 |
| Venemo_N950 | beford, something wrong? | 03:18 |
| beford | it doesn't seem to autoscroll when its on thumb mode right? | 03:18 |
| beford | xD | 03:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | however that causes an issue with my proposal to put a little connecting indicator next to the switch | 03:18 |
| Venemo_N950 | beford, yep, scrolldown is buggy | 03:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because i was imagining something like Server @ [ O] > | 03:19 |
| Venemo_N950 | I'll fix that tomorrow | 03:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | where @ is the little twirly thing | 03:19 |
| Venemo_N950 | itsnotabigtruck, mhm | 03:19 |
| Venemo_N950 | hm. | 03:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it seems like a ui design handbook for harmattan is desperately needed | 03:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there already is one but it's kind of a joke | 03:20 |
| Venemo_N950 | yay, found another bug | 03:20 |
| Venemo_N950 | :) | 03:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (this http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/ux/) | 03:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it seems like all you can do is look at nokia stuff and guesstimate what's harmattanest | 03:20 |
| Venemo_N950 | I think the app just looks good | 03:20 |
| Venemo_N950 | all it needs is a new channel switcher | 03:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/ux/pages/Saving_confirmation.html < has an example of switches on left | 03:21 |
| beford | what are you using Venemo_N950 to display the IRC text? | 03:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hmm, how about this layout | 03:22 |
| beford | what qml component I mean | 03:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | [ O] Server @ > | 03:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | switch on left, throbber on right | 03:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also i think, since the changes to a server can't be cancelled, instead of the Save/Cancel there should just be a back button at the bottom | 03:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | however, the problem with that is that it's possible to enter an invalid config | 03:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and you can't block someone going back, while you can block someone pressing save | 03:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so because of that, then it would be a good idea to keep it the way it is but add a cancel button | 03:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | like in the contacts app (same ux page, scroll down) | 03:25 |
| Venemo_N950 | beford, TextArea | 03:26 |
| Venemo_N950 | itsnotabigtruck, how do you enter an invalid config? | 03:26 |
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| Venemo_N950 | :) | 03:31 |
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| Venemo_N950 | hey faenil :) | 03:32 |
| faenil | fast Venemo_N950 :D | 03:32 |
| Venemo_N950 | faenil, there's a new IRC Chatter release, I'm testing it :) | 03:33 |
| faenil | wait, aren't u the author of irc chatter? X | 03:33 |
| faenil | XD | 03:33 |
| Venemo_N950 | yes | 03:33 |
| faenil | oh ok xD | 03:33 |
| Venemo_N950 | problem? | 03:33 |
| Venemo_N950 | ::P | 03:34 |
| faenil | nope ahah | 03:35 |
| Venemo_N950 | anyway, I'm going to sleep now :) | 03:36 |
| faenil | gn :D | 03:36 |
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| ircn9 | test | 03:52 |
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| Venemo_N950 | good morning :) | 09:14 |
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| Venemo_N950 | morning djszapiN9 :) | 09:17 |
| djszapiN9 | o/ | 09:18 |
| Venemo_N950 | djszapiN9, the bug is somewhere is the Harmattan input method. :( | 09:19 |
| djszapiN9 | the random text insertion issue is imo worse in the new irc-chatter version | 09:19 |
| Venemo_N950 | but I managed to workaround it | 09:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Venemo_N950: oh noes | 09:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | is it in maliit? | 09:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if so it ought to be possible to patch it | 09:20 |
| Venemo_N950 | itsnotabigtruck, i dunno where exactly | 09:20 |
| djszapiN9 | Venemo_N950, as i said, the bug remained, and even worse | 09:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, it seems like no one's been filling out the QA forms on apps for meego | 09:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i don't see any approvals recently on any app | 09:21 |
| Venemo_N950 | djszapiN9, in v0.2.91? | 09:21 |
| djszapiN9 | what i type actually remains in the input field. | 09:21 |
| Venemo_N950 | ah yes | 09:21 |
| djszapiN9 | plus the bug still happens. | 09:22 |
| Venemo_N950 | the workaround brings its own bugs. | 09:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Venemo_N950: i'm still curious, how did you isolate it to the text input machinery | 09:22 |
| djszapiN9 | also, show me the simple test case for the maliit bug. | 09:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm still wondering why it knows about the html in the chat display area | 09:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it might actually be memory corruption of some sort | 09:22 |
| Venemo_N950 | anyway, the only real fix would be to set the TextArea to disabled. | 09:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | e.g. the html text for the chat display being copied over other stuff trashing it | 09:23 |
| Venemo_N950 | that will make it lose text selection and link clicking functionality | 09:23 |
| djszapiN9 | Venemo_N950, completion does work either | 09:23 |
| djszapiN9 | this version is a bit useless :) | 09:24 |
| Venemo_N950 | djszapiN9, know, as I said, the workaround brings its own bugs... I only noticed it after the release. :( | 09:24 |
| djszapiN9 | you did not make any twsts before releasing ? | 09:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | @everyone remember to always fill out the qa sheet on an apps for meego app if it works :) | 09:24 |
| Venemo_N950 | yes, it does not always happen | 09:25 |
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| Venemo_N950 | if I restart the app, it works correctly for some time too | 09:25 |
| djszapi | 100% reproducable here. | 09:25 |
| Venemo_N950 | anyway, this is way too ugly a workaround for my taste | 09:25 |
| djszapi | show a simple test code for the bug in question. | 09:26 |
| Venemo_N950 | I'll just disable the text area until the root cause of the bug is found | 09:26 |
| Venemo_N950 | all right | 09:26 |
| Venemo_N950 | turning on the ideapad | 09:26 |
| djszapi | (this bug did not exist earlier btw) | 09:27 |
| Venemo_N950 | btw, scrollback is buggy too | 09:27 |
| djszapi | (it came into existence from certain release) | 09:27 |
| Venemo_N950 | close the app, go to the text input settings, disable error correction, restart the app | 09:27 |
| Venemo_N950 | that made it disappear for both me and itsnotabigtruck | 09:28 |
| djszapi | nah | 09:28 |
| djszapi | what I mean is a very simple test code. | 09:29 |
| djszapi | because I see this bug nowhere else in the platform. | 09:29 |
| Venemo_N950 | doin it right now | 09:29 |
| djszapi | even in the other irc application from Ovi I used. | 09:29 |
| djszapi | or even in older chatter versions. | 09:29 |
| Venemo_N950 | hrm, okay | 09:29 |
| Venemo_N950 | you are right | 09:30 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | night! | 09:32 |
| Venemo_N950 | night? | 09:32 |
| djszapi | morning | 09:33 |
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| Venemo | djszapi, I'm taking your advice :) | 09:38 |
| djszapi | which one ? | 09:41 |
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| Venemo | djszapi, I'm making a simple testcase which demonstrates the problem | 09:43 |
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| Venemo | djszapi, it seems that a simple Page with a TextArea and a TextField on it can trigger the issue | 09:46 |
| Venemo | djszapi, if the TextArea is not read only, it triggers the bug all by itself | 09:48 |
| Venemo | I click inside the text area randomly and it enters garbage from the memory | 09:48 |
| djszapi | I cannot reproduce it outside your application sorry. | 09:49 |
| djszapi | not even with earlier versions. | 09:49 |
| Venemo | don't worry, I can | 09:49 |
| Venemo | shall I send you the simple test case? | 09:49 |
| djszapi | I also have a TextArea in my application, and it never occurs. | 09:50 |
| Venemo | do you use it in RichText mode, | 09:50 |
| Venemo | ? | 09:50 |
| Venemo | it doesn't happen if I turn rich text mode on. | 09:51 |
| Venemo | eh, sorry | 09:51 |
| Venemo | it doesn't happen if I turn rich text mode off | 09:51 |
| djszapi | I do not have time to check that out, sorry. | 09:51 |
| Venemo | okay, do you have the time to run the simple test case? | 09:52 |
| Venemo | itsnotabigtruck, good news: it does not happen if I use TextEdit instead of TextArea, so it's a bug in qt-components probably. | 09:55 |
| djszapi | I am pretty sure it has nothing to do with VKBD | 09:57 |
| djszapi | or maliit | 09:57 |
| Venemo | indeed it doesn't | 09:57 |
| djszapi | well yo usaid that above.. | 09:57 |
| Venemo | I said: good news: it does not happen if I use TextEdit instead of TextArea, so it's a bug in qt-components probably. | 09:57 |
| djszapi | "The bug is somewhere is the Harmattan input method." | 09:58 |
| Venemo | fortunately, that was a false assumption. | 09:59 |
| Venemo | since the bug disappears when I set "error correction" to OFF in the input method, I assumed the bug was there. after making a test case, it seems to be a rather awful bug in the TextArea component when it's set to RichText mode and "error correction" is ON. | 10:00 |
| Venemo | I was hoping that I wouldn't have to hack into the TextArea component, as it's kinda complex | 10:01 |
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| djszapi | use TextField. | 10:02 |
| djszapi | btw, TextArea is not that complex at all. | 10:03 |
| Venemo | TextField is single-line | 10:03 |
| djszapi | which is what I type with one post. | 10:04 |
| Venemo | indeed, but that component has to contain all posts | 10:04 |
| djszapi | it is not a bug in the textarea | 10:04 |
| djszapi | it is the bug in the one line thingie | 10:04 |
| djszapi | rzr: could you please add me as the maintainer of the https://build.pub.meego.com/project/users?project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan%3Aapplications repository ? | 10:05 |
| djszapi | I would like to push some applications in there /right now/. | 10:05 |
| Venemo | djszapi, wrong | 10:07 |
| Venemo | djszapi, if I set the TextArea to be not readonly, the garbage gets entered there, not into the TextField. | 10:07 |
| djszapi | wrong | 10:08 |
| djszapi | the bug is in the one line | 10:08 |
| Venemo | no, it is not | 10:08 |
| djszapi | and not in the big window. | 10:08 |
| djszapi | yes, it is. | 10:08 |
| Venemo | the test case contains a single TextArea component | 10:08 |
| djszapi | as I said, it happens without TextArea | 10:08 |
| djszapi | even in the user list stuff | 10:08 |
| Venemo | that's for the same reason. | 10:09 |
| djszapi | that is a one liner stuff | 10:09 |
| djszapi | not an area | 10:09 |
| Venemo | and the bug is not there. | 10:09 |
| Venemo | if you are interested in running my test case, you will see why. | 10:09 |
| djszapi | anywayIamoff | 10:09 |
| djszapi | too distractive for me. | 10:10 |
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| Venemo | lol | 10:10 |
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| djszapi | rzr: Also, I propose to move out your repository entirely. | 10:11 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: can I get access to this repository: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=MeeGo%3A1.2%3AHarmattan or shall I just create a Project:Harmattan instead ? | 10:12 |
| djszapi | it would be more feasible place than in someone's home directory. | 10:12 |
| djszapi | Unfortunately when I proposed rzr's home directory, I did not have this thorough understanding. | 10:12 |
| Venemo | djszapi, do you have 15 minutes for me? I'd like you to glance at my test case. | 10:17 |
| djszapi | lbt to you, too. I would like to get access to the Harmattan Project repository, if possible, or let me create a new project repository for Harmattan. It is not the best place to have the repository in someone's home folder. | 10:17 |
| djszapi | Venemo: no, sorry | 10:17 |
| Venemo | djszapi, please. | 10:17 |
| djszapi | lbt X-Fade I have just faced the issue, others also organize these things into Projects, like KDE, Fedora, Ubuntu, Meego and so on. They do not bother with local clone in someone's home folder. | 10:18 |
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| djszapi | lbt X-Fade https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24983 | 10:24 |
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| Venemo_N950 | itsnotabigtruck, ping :) | 10:29 |
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| Venemo | djszapi, hm, I found a working solution :) | 10:33 |
| Venemo | djszapi, thanks for your advice, you were right: making a test case really made debugging this thing easier. | 10:33 |
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| ZogG_laptop | morning | 11:48 |
| kozzi | moning | 11:54 |
| kozzi | r | 11:54 |
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| djszapi | Venemo: I hope for a release where I can use irc-chatter without always deleting the spam.. | 11:56 |
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| nemo-ru | hello) | 12:39 |
| djszapi | hi) | 12:40 |
| nemo-ru | no rus lang(((( | 12:42 |
| ieatlint | i'm wearing pants | 12:43 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: at least pink ? | 12:43 |
| ieatlint | sadly, no | 12:44 |
| nemo-ru | no rus lang | 12:46 |
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| djszapi | nemo-ru: for your N9(50) ? | 12:47 |
| djszapi | isn't that cyrillic one in the settings that ? | 12:47 |
| nemo-ru | n900 | 12:48 |
| djszapi | I am afraid you are in the wrong channel. | 12:49 |
| djszapi | are you looking for #maemo, or perhaps #nemomobile ? | 12:49 |
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| ieatlint | yeah... harmattan != meego =! nemo | 12:50 |
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| djszapi | добро пожаловать ... | 12:53 |
| RST38h | Unicode alert | 12:55 |
| RST38h | Destroy. DESTROY. | 12:55 |
| ieatlint | yeah, if a language can't fit into ascii, it's not worth learning | 12:57 |
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| djszapi | or make an ascii variant like the translators for the "grub" translations. | 12:58 |
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| qronic | hey everybody! itsnotabigtruck said yesterday that since PR1.2 booting with not original kernel turns N9 into open-mode. Does it mean that we no longer can delete /var/malf with that "Fixing MALF state method" on wiki? | 13:00 |
| djszapi | you can. | 13:01 |
| qronic | without turning the phone into open-mode? | 13:01 |
| djszapi | oh | 13:01 |
| djszapi | MALF should usually be recoverable. | 13:01 |
| djszapi | it gets borked only in case serious issues. | 13:02 |
| djszapi | so I think it is like previously. | 13:02 |
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| rzr | djszapi: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?arch_armv7el=1&defaults=0&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan%3Aapplications&repo_MeeGo_1_2_Harmattan_Maemo_org_MeeGo_1_2_Harmattan_standard=1&unresolvable=1 | 13:35 |
| rzr | i guess we still need the harmattan:libs or middleware ... | 13:36 |
| djszapi | rzr: if you mean the unresolvable stuff, then nope. | 13:36 |
| djszapi | that is just all about configuration, that I could eventually do. | 13:36 |
| djszapi | also, you did not still provide me access to that repository.. | 13:37 |
| djszapi | Although, as far as I see, it is just a temporary place in my vision. | 13:37 |
| rzr | so you want to use home:rzr:harmattan for depbuilding i guess ? | 13:38 |
| rzr | let me add you | 13:38 |
| djszapi | yes. | 13:38 |
| djszapi | Mer, MeeGo, Ubuntu, Fedora, Debian, Nemo, Plasma Active and so forth managed it :) | 13:38 |
| djszapi | I am sure, we are able, too. | 13:38 |
| rzr | i can setup it | 13:39 |
| rzr | just wasnt sure | 13:39 |
| djszapi | cool, thanks. | 13:39 |
| rzr | djszapi: nice glasses | 13:39 |
| rzr | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/users?project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan%3Aapplications | 13:39 |
| rzr | let me add a 'harmattan' repo then | 13:39 |
| djszapi | thanks. | 13:39 |
| djszapi | https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24983 -> once, this bug is resolved, we both have access to the Harmattan project repository. | 13:40 |
| rzr | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan%3Aapplications | 13:40 |
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| gri | "Rescuing software update. Please do not interrupt." while booting - what is this? | 13:46 |
| djszapi | gri: terror attack | 13:46 |
| gri | djszapi: The nokia gtalk video installer seems to do funny things :) After two reboots it stopped and seems expected by that package. Really scary :) | 13:48 |
| djszapi | I saw scarier things in horror movies :) | 13:49 |
| rzr | gri: i installed flowlessly here , but i didnt tried video call yet | 13:49 |
| djszapi | gri drop me a video call once you are done :) | 13:49 |
| djszapi | rzr you can try to call me | 13:49 |
| gri | djszapi: I did not have a shower yet :) | 13:49 |
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| gri | rzr: The video call thingy was updated today on my phone, then the message appeared | 13:50 |
| Jare | I got the same message, when I updated it yesterday | 13:50 |
| * djszapi did get any updates.. | 13:51 | |
| djszapi | did not* | 13:51 |
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| blueslee | jonni: ping | 13:53 |
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| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: why didn't you ask internally if you have access to Nokia bug tracker? | 14:55 |
| djszapi | huh ? | 14:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | the request for harmattan repo | 14:56 |
| djszapi | It has nothing to do with Nokia. | 14:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | than what harmattan repo are you tlking about? | 14:57 |
| djszapi | have you actually read the report ? | 14:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | partly | 14:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | checking url now | 14:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | oh, it's x-fade's | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | qronic: unsigned kernels always were supposed to start HARM in open mode, alas it didn't work until Nokia fixed NOLO bootloader eventually, AFAIK. Anyway you also never could fix MALF without using openmode for that, as device would enter MALF in secure mode immediately on boot ;-D | 15:15 |
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| Venemo | itsnotabigtruck, ping | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | (unless maybe you got R&D cert on your device, which may block MALF even in normal secure boot.... or not, I dunno as no mere mortal has access to R&D cert) | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | (no access to R&D cert) an extremely hostile decision of Nokia platsec and product damagers | 15:18 |
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| qronic | DocScrutinizer, IIRC if you got r&d cert you can create /var/nomalf and it won't look for /var/malf at all | 15:33 |
| qronic | DocScrutinizer, > you also never could fix MALF without using openmode for that; right, but booting into that "mount all the fs mode" isn't actually a full boot | 15:34 |
| qronic | and seems like that "mount all the fs into my linux" boot now taints kernel forever into open-mode, if I understood itsnotabigtruck correctly | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | qronic: sounds about right, yeah | 15:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | except the part that I parse like "you can't delete /var/malf even with R&D cert in normal aka secure mode" which of course isn't correct | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | qronic: that "taint stock kernel forever" part is highly unclear, at least to me. It seems to me itsnotabigtruck is doing a lot of handwaving regarding this | 15:39 |
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| qronic | hope so | 15:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it however seems a sound story that updating PR to next release version shouldn't be done in openmode, as that might result in a revision tag signed with openmode cert and then stored to secure storage (in BB5 probably). *MIGHT*! If that actually is what's going on then you basically nailed your system to open mode | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | simply because normal/secure mode couldn't verify the OS version tag then against the securemode cert, and consequently would switch to openmode even with a signed kernel | 15:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Venemo: what's up | 15:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just woke up | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | however this rewrite of OS version tag only shall take place when you do a system upgrade, not when you boot any arbitrary kernel, especially when that kernel is only loaded to RAM and not flashed | 15:45 |
| Venemo | itsnotabigtruck, hey! I created a fixed version. do you feel like trying it out? I also added some more of your ideas :) | 15:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: ok, here's the explanation | 15:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's a bitfield for "security info" in the calibration data region | 15:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that bitfield contains a "trusted bit" | 15:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | now, ever since the beginning, flashing something that the phone-side flash logic doesn't like will set it to off | 15:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and completely flashing everything will set it to on | 15:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (if everything = nokia legit) | 15:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | however until PR1.2 that bit wasn't used for anything | 15:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | now starting with PR1.2, a) NOLO checks if the trusted bit is off, and if so, it acts as if the kernel was unsigned | 15:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | b) NOLO turns the trusted bit off whenever booting into open mode ever (including doing so just one time e.g. with the rescue kernel) | 15:52 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | oh, also, it turns out that starting with PR1.2 you can't update nolo/swcert/kernel from userland if you're in open mode | 15:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the net effect of that being that if you try to SSU from open mode, it'll skip all the flashing parts at the end | 15:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so there you go - that's the info, no handwaving | 15:54 |
| Venemo | itsnotabigtruck, http://j.mp/ACGpBp :) | 15:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Venemo: cool, just a moment | 15:56 |
| Venemo | itsnotabigtruck :) | 16:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/04/atandt-urging-customers-to-upgrade-to-3g-possibly-killing-off-2g/ interesting, at&t is going to start going 3g+ only | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | itsnotabigtruck: thanks a lot for this good explanation :-) | 16:01 |
| qronic | Nokia is bad :( | 16:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Venemo: oh nice, you implemented the changes to the connect screen layout | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | pretty bad that clearing trusted mode bit forbids flashing any firmware that could set this bit to 1 again :-( | 16:02 |
| qronic | we need a way to unlock kernel in normal mode, find a way to upload our own certsw and flash our own kernels, so bootloader will think it's an original kernel and will run in normal mode | 16:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | qronic: well, no, they're not bad, they're fighting their side in the security war | 16:03 |
| qronic | if that's even possible, I don't know how certsw are generated | 16:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: morning | 16:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yo ZogG_laptop | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | itsnotabigtruck: where's that bit? in CAL NAND partition, or in BB5 (aka modem)? | 16:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: CAL | 16:04 |
| Venemo | itsnotabigtruck, yeah :) | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | is CAL hashed? | 16:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: maybe? it's also read-only apparently if you boot into open mode | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | /dev/mtd is r/o? | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | even for mtdtools? | 16:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no idea about that, but isn't it possible for bootloaders to partially lock nand devices | 16:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that sort of technique's been used forever | 16:05 |
| dm8tbr | _some_ NAND allows to be partitioned logically and enforce RO | 16:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: when you highlight me it show as normal color msg and not highlight? magic? | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah but there are tools to unlock such locks | 16:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: highlight me please | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | hi dm8tbr btw, long time no see | 16:06 |
| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: meh, don't remind me. been on business trips for the better part of the last 6 weeks | 16:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | aw, that's no good | 16:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, actually, it's kinda cool | 16:07 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | travel :D | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | re my mail to you about snowball and STE: I'll not be at workstation for next 3 days - code quality training full 3 days... :-S | 16:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: can't hadle post of my data now =) | 16:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Venemo: haven't run into the keyboard bug yet | 16:08 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop, :) ZogG_N9 :) | 16:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: yur highlight is okay | 16:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | probably itsnotabigtruck using some kind of sorcery | 16:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 16:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Venemo: it does seem to be slightly sluggish when going in and out of the keyboard | 16:09 |
| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: well, I got some answers out of them. IIRC it boiled down to implicitly admitting, that they can't fix licensing due to probably 3rd party IP. | 16:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not sure if that's unavoidable or it's possible to speed it up | 16:09 |
| Venemo | itsnotabigtruck, that part hasn't changed :) | 16:09 |
| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: still sucks | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmm :-/ same as it ever was | 16:10 |
| dm8tbr | yeah | 16:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | atm there's a delay to react, the sliding animation, and then a delay before the keys actually appear on the keyboard | 16:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it seems like in a lot of other apps the keyboard appears at the speed of light, minus the animation | 16:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that is, not counting the animation time | 16:10 |
| Venemo | itsnotabigtruck, there's nothing I can do about that. it appears fast on my N950 :) | 16:10 |
| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: the .h file would need to be stubbed in a legal compliant way (they claim proprietary also for the .h) | 16:10 |
| Venemo | itsnotabigtruck, however I was able to fix your animation bug (when the server settings sheet goes away) | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't think this stub can get stubbed even more | 16:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: have you ever used oauth? not in signon plugin? | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | hell I could learn it by heard and rewrite it in a clean room | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | heart* | 16:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: nope | 16:12 |
| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: then it will still be impossible to compile a system against this in an automated OSS compliant way | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | when I rewrite it 'in my own words', with all the needed defines in it? why? | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | the .h that is | 16:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: you'll probably need to write an accounts plugin for this too | 16:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so you can have an "imgur" account type in the menu hooked up to the credentials stored with signon | 16:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | ha | 16:13 |
| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: dunno, you can discuss that with that STE lawyer who was CC | 16:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | easy to say | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | err so legally impossible, not technically? | 16:14 |
| dm8tbr | correct | 16:14 |
| Venemo | itsnotabigtruck, I also added a BusyIndicator to the manage servers page as you asked | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-( | 16:14 |
| Venemo | itsnotabigtruck, it looks neat now | 16:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Venemo: i noticed the busyindicator appears just before it goes to the other connecting screen though :p | 16:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: as i get plugin can be part of application right? | 16:15 |
| Venemo | itsnotabigtruck, yeah, that's by design | 16:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | mardy: ping | 16:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: no, it's a separate component | 16:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm not 100% sure you have to write code for it though | 16:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you write some xml files, and those can hook into some binaries you do write, iirc | 16:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: "/* for compiling all this on my FPGA prototype I need the following defines. You're free to use/copy/mangle this any way you like. (there's been rumour somebody had success with abusing this for a Nova based mali gfx chipset ;-> ) */ - I'd like to know who in STE would want to start a legal case against that, and based on what | 16:18 |
| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: that's a question best directed to their lawyer ;) | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, that's a question that MY lawyer will answer to my ful satisfaction | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | as this isn't any cryptographic shit, not even US laws can outlaw a .h with 5 structs and 20 arbitrary consts | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | unless the var names have "mali" or "ericsson" in it | 16:23 |
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| mardy | ZogG_laptop: pong | 16:24 |
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| ZogG_laptop | mardy: sup | 16:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | may i query you? | 16:31 |
| mardy | ZogG_laptop: sure | 16:31 |
| pa | is there somewhere a list of official, semi official and unofficial repos for harmattan? | 16:48 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | pa: there's a few of them...not sure if there's any good ones | 16:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | they're pretty trivial to list | 16:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | official: default harmattan repositories | 16:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | semi-official: apps for meego, apps for meego testing | 16:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | unofficial: rzr community repo, nokia platform sdk repo | 16:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that last one's unofficial because it's not meant for use with the N9 | 16:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it does contain some useful stuff that works | 16:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | except that last one also doesn't work in PR1.2 because they put a bug in the aegis installer | 16:55 |
| pa | ah i see | 16:56 |
| pa | what useful stuff are there? | 16:56 |
| pa | (that i could install by hand f.ex) | 16:56 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | pa: unfortunately there isn't much in apps for meego, though you might as well add it | 16:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i've been putting my packages in there (calendarrr, milkytracker, ad-hac) | 16:58 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | if you add apps for meego, make sure to include the testing repo too - almost nothing is in the main apps for meego repo | 16:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 6 people have to fill out a qa questionnaire for an app to go from testing into main, and few people have been doing those | 16:59 |
| pa | ah i see | 16:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | :( | 16:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you add the rzr or platform sdk repos, make sure not to ever do an apt-get dist-upgrade | 17:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | they include some seemingly-newer packages and if you indiscriminately upgrade everything apt will do strange things to your system | 17:00 |
| pa | so only upgrade is fine, right? | 17:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pa: i don't think there is an upgrade, iirc | 17:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nm, there is | 17:02 |
| pa | i mean apt-get upgrade | 17:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | don't use that either | 17:02 |
| pa | ok | 17:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you ever see anything wanting to remove mp-harmattan-xxx-pr, or a very long list of packages that are autoremovable | 17:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | STOP RIGHT THEN | 17:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | otherwise you're safe | 17:03 |
| pa | good strategy | 17:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because what will happen is that you remove the mp-harmattan-xxx-pr package, and apt will then decide that the entire system can be uninstalled safely | 17:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which will then happen next time you try to install something through the gui | 17:03 |
| pa | but in general, is some sort of repo list available somewhere? i mean url | 17:04 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | pa: not sure | 17:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | like i don't know any urls off hand | 17:05 |
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| pa | ok, i can try to google for them | 17:06 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://i.imgur.com/4Qa0G.png | 17:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ^ any idea how that person put the date in the status bar? | 17:22 |
| Venemo_N950 | new irc-chatter seems to be relatively bugfree | 17:22 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: I do not think he did | 17:23 |
| pa | its a pity that on N9 skype contacts are not yet merged into the normal contacts | 17:23 |
| djszapi | he may have disabled, and used his own one. | 17:23 |
| pa | at least in 1.1 | 17:24 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: well, that would mean that somewhere there's a hacked sysuid with that sort of stuff, right? | 17:25 |
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| Jare | itsnotabigtruck: by editing the clock format string in /usr/share/blanco/meegotouch/sysuid/style/statusarea.css | 17:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, looks like it's an n9 quick tweak thing | 17:29 |
| Jare | I wouldn't use those quick tweak shell scripts atm | 17:31 |
| Jare | I mean before they've been tested with pr1.2 | 17:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | Jare: there is version for 1.2 already | 17:32 |
| Jare | mmkay | 17:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw any idea where the search engine URLs are stored? | 17:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | \/usr/share/applications/web-search-google.desktop < sounds promising | 17:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | w00t, just enabled SSL for google search | 17:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | lol | 17:35 |
| virtuald | 8] | 17:35 |
| virtuald | i replaced the search engines with ixquick, startpage and duckduck go, all ssl | 17:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | heh | 17:36 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: not sure what you mean. | 17:36 |
| rzr | virtuald: on harmattan ? | 17:36 |
| virtuald | yeah pr1.1 | 17:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: i didn't realize you could customize it that much from just the css | 17:37 |
| rzr | good is there a package for doing this ? | 17:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so i thought maybe that person was using a modded system-ui that had a different status bar | 17:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but that wasn't the case so nm | 17:37 |
| virtuald | rzr: developer-mode ;) | 17:37 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: both are possible. | 17:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it might be a good idea to make search engine packages | 17:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | e.g. one per engine | 17:37 |
| virtuald | rzr: just change the file itsnotabigtruck mentioned and the other search-engine* | 17:38 |
| rzr | or paranoid-mode | 17:38 |
| rzr | yes i know to hack system files | 17:38 |
| rzr | but i fell this should not be the user to do that ... | 17:38 |
| virtuald | you mean it should be easier? | 17:39 |
| djszapi | rzr: why not ? people think here it is a hacker phone ;) | 17:39 |
| virtuald | then make a package :) | 17:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, i think it's a hacker phone but that the hacks should be done elegantly :p | 17:39 |
| virtuald | o i've got a hacker phone too, with open source baseband software (osmocom) | 17:39 |
| rzr | I can provide an editor for that :) | 17:39 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: you did not vote for 24983, mmmh... | 17:40 |
| djszapi | (just read it) | 17:40 |
| virtuald | only gsm though | 17:40 |
| djszapi | virtuald: as discussed many times, it is a plus, it is good for hackers :P | 17:40 |
| djszapi | but still, they whine a lot :P | 17:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it should be easy to make a package (e.g. grob-settings-search-extras) | 17:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that installs a bunch of extra desktop files | 17:40 |
| virtuald | :> | 17:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or maybe one per engine | 17:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but the existing package doesn't break it out 1 per engine | 17:41 |
| djszapi | https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24983 any votes are welcome, if you think, it makes sense. | 17:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm still curious as to what type of access is being requested and what would be done with it | 17:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | keep in mind that it's possible to override packages from the main harmattan target with those of your own | 17:42 |
| virtuald | 16:32 < virtuald> if i put my n9 in open mode, can i get back to closed mode when i flash it? | 17:43 |
| virtuald | 16:33 < virtuald> or is it a write once thing? | 17:43 |
| djszapi | chuck norris access, and we would destroy windows :) | 17:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | virtuald: the latter | 17:43 |
| virtuald | :/ | 17:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | er, wait | 17:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the former | 17:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you go back to closed mode when you do a full flash | 17:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for the avoidance of doubt | 17:43 |
| djszapi | of course you can get back. | 17:43 |
| virtuald | ah good | 17:43 |
| virtuald | then lets flash | 17:43 |
| djszapi | unfortunately, you even have a warranty afterwards. | 17:43 |
| djszapi | so you should be good to go. | 17:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if it actually does remember the user previously going into open mode, and that's actually enforced for warranty purposes, that would screw a lot of normal users who accidentally ended up in open mode due to flash failures | 17:45 |
| djszapi | except that they are not supposed to flash open mode. | 17:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there seems to be a significant number of those events | 17:45 |
| djszapi | but send to Nokia service. | 17:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: there's a number of cases where the SSU put the phone into open mode with no intervention on the part of the user | 17:46 |
| djszapi | and never heard of anybody flashing open mode. | 17:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | usually because the kernel didn't flash or something like that | 17:46 |
| djszapi | "because of flasher failures". | 17:46 |
| djszapi | that is simply solvable. | 17:46 |
| djszapi | this sounds like you give out bruteforce advices again | 17:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not flasher, the flashing utility | 17:46 |
| djszapi | you do not need to flash "open kernel" to get the kernel updated. | 17:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you're not reading what i have to say | 17:47 |
| pa | has anybody here ever used syncevolution on N900? | 17:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the SSU has two phases - phase 1: update everything and prepare for phase 2, phase 2: update nolo/sw-cert/kernel | 17:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | phase 2 can and does fail | 17:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and when it does fail, that often ends up putting the phone into open mode | 17:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and then the users come to talk.maemo.org and are like "wtf i'm getting this weird disclaimer message what did i do" | 17:47 |
| djszapi | interesting not for us... | 17:47 |
| djszapi | it was a very quick fix without getting into open mode... | 17:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it doesn't seem to always fail that way, only sometimes, not sure precisely what causes that | 17:48 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | but i do know that people who have no idea what either flasher or open mode are ended up in it | 17:48 |
| djszapi | as I said. | 17:48 |
| djszapi | it was a very quick fix for us for this very issue without getting into open mode. | 17:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for what it's worth it seems like that sort of situation is *less* common when using the flasher | 17:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | when it fails it's obvious that it did so, and there's fewer reasons it can fail | 17:51 |
| djszapi | and since it is an official kernel, it sohuld not be open mod eanyway. | 17:51 |
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| djszapi | should not* | 17:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, if the kernel doesn't match the sw cert it's no different from any other kernel | 17:51 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | (not 100% sure there) | 17:53 |
| djszapi | which is a completely different use case than flashing directly on an own kernel, what would be tracked. | 17:54 |
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| djszapi | because in the real case: kernel changes, not the sw cert.. | 17:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | point is, i don't know the specific scenario but it definitely has happened | 17:56 |
| djszapi | and sw cert should not be touched by anybody else than Nokia in the current construction.. | 17:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and normally the kernel and the sw cert change together | 17:57 |
| djszapi | so tracking the kernel flashing would be an entirely different scenario. | 17:57 |
| djszapi | without getting any harm for the update failures, if any | 17:57 |
| djszapi | that said, I was not personally able to reproduce that scenario either. | 17:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.meego.com/N950_landing_page | 18:21 |
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| faenil | guys is there any way to test GLES2.0 software in the harmattan env on PC? | 18:29 |
| faenil | like if I want to testa game | 18:29 |
| faenil | without the need to deploy it every time | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2012-03-04 16:43:38] <itsnotabigtruck> you go back to closed mode when you do a full flash [2012-03-04 14:52:00] <itsnotabigtruck> b) NOLO turns the trusted bit off whenever booting into open mode ever (including doing so just one time e.g. with the rescue kernel) | 18:30 |
| djszapi | faenil: aegis-qemu ? | 18:30 |
| djszapi | though, it is horribly slow | 18:30 |
| faenil | yeah that's a no go | 18:30 |
| faenil | any human way? | 18:30 |
| djszapi | faenil: why would you not use the device ? | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | itsnotabigtruck: so how do those both staements fit together? | 18:30 |
| faenil | because let's say it takes longer or I don't have it | 18:30 |
| djszapi | and put the shader code into the qml ? | 18:30 |
| djszapi | and modify on the device | 18:31 |
| faenil | suppose I don't have it | 18:31 |
| faenil | at the moment or at all | 18:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: full flash turns the trusted bit back on | 18:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the bit is supposed to track whether the flash has been tainted by evil outside influence | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | either you clear that bit on a sigle boot of an unsigned kernel, you're locked in to openmode and can't flash stock anymore, or you only clear that bit on FLASHING any non-secure stuff | 18:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2012-03-04 14:51:20] <itsnotabigtruck> now starting with PR1.2, a) NOLO checks if the trusted bit is off, and if so, it acts as if the kernel was unsigned | 18:32 |
| djszapi | faenil: envision it works :P | 18:32 |
| faenil | so yet another platform which doesn't offer GLES 2.0 testing... | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2012-03-04 14:53:46] <itsnotabigtruck> the net effect of that being that if you try to SSU from open mode, it'll skip all the flashing parts at the end | 18:33 |
| faenil | :( | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you say flashing still works, but SSU gets "disabled" in openmode? | 18:33 |
| faenil | the only platform which lets you test GLES2.0 so far is iOS simulator | 18:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: yeah, well specifically, SSU phase 2 which i mentioned earlier gets disabled | 18:34 |
| djszapi | faenil: well, what is wrong about RDA ? | 18:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you can ssu but it won't upgrade the kernel/nolo/sw-cert after it reboots | 18:34 |
| djszapi | for cases, when you do not have a device. | 18:34 |
| faenil | right, RDA | 18:34 |
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| faenil | djszapi, don't you have to book slots for that? | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | itsnotabigtruck: so the bottom oneliner is simply: to revert from openmode kernel (if flashed, not if RAMloaded) you have to do a *complete* flashing, just flashing kernel doesn't suffice | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 18:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: to revert from open mode, regardless of whether it was enabled due to flashing or ram loading | 18:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you have to do a complete flash, not just the kernel | 18:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | doing so detaints the phone and exits open mode | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | makes sense | 18:36 |
| djszapi | faenil: depends on the number of RDA devices, and users, I guess. | 18:36 |
| djszapi | how much you need to wait. | 18:36 |
| faenil | djszapi, ofc, but theorically... | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | from Nokia's / platsec's POV | 18:36 |
| faenil | djszapi, RDA is better than nothing, ok... | 18:37 |
| djszapi | faenil: I cannot write you a simulator in few minutes :P | 18:37 |
| djszapi | man, cheer up :) | 18:37 |
| faenil | djszapi, no I'm just getting info about this feature ;) | 18:37 |
| faenil | Android: GLES2.0 support has been planned years ago, still nothing | 18:38 |
| djszapi | *nods* | 18:38 |
| faenil | Blackberry: planned, coming soon (TM) | 18:38 |
| faenil | Symbian : don't know, haven't tried | 18:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | faenil: there's lots of opengl es 2.0 emulators for windows/linux | 18:38 |
| faenil | Bada: don't know, need info | 18:38 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | if you can make your program compile on both harmattan and generic linux, or something like that | 18:38 |
| faenil | itsnotabigtruck, and do they emulate the rest of the code too? :P | 18:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you can use a gles emulator | 18:38 |
| faenil | well ok... | 18:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, of course not, so you have to be able to build both ways | 18:38 |
| faenil | eh | 18:39 |
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| djszapi | faenil: why would you need to run the rest of the code in that ? | 18:39 |
| faenil | because I want to be able to test the software | 18:39 |
| djszapi | but anyway, I would personally go for the real device, and then RDA. | 18:39 |
| faenil | not split it in 100 parts and test one in each simulator | 18:39 |
| djszapi | it is called unit testing. | 18:39 |
| faenil | anyway | 18:39 |
| faenil | iOS: simulator, GLES2.0 working, you can test all you want | 18:40 |
| djszapi | if you test the gles shader code, it is ok. You can simulate the happening with other mock. | 18:40 |
| faenil | it's the only platform I've seen so far with that feature | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | itsnotabigtruck: please check http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ | 18:40 |
| djszapi | faenil: so you plan to contribute to us to write one for harmattan ? | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | I added a fat WARNING | 18:40 |
| djszapi | or other platforms ? | 18:40 |
| djszapi | or what is the consequence ? :) | 18:40 |
| djszapi | push others to do for you ? | 18:40 |
| faenil | djszapi, no, I repeat, I'm just getting info about platforms | 18:40 |
| djszapi | I am too solution oriented, sorry :P | 18:41 |
| faenil | :P | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | a nd DANG this friggin HTML again ate all the <user> supposed HTML tags | 18:41 |
| djszapi | which is 1) Real Device 2) Rda in here. | 18:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: ok...you could have paraphrased into something a bit less irc-ish :p | 18:41 |
| djszapi | "workaround", if you prefer. | 18:41 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | faenil: just make your program buildable on generic linux | 18:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and use ifdefs to compile out any HARMful stuff | 18:41 |
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| faenil | itsnotabigtruck, don't need a solution, just wanted to know if there was an easy way to do so | 18:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://www.imgtec.com/PowerVR/insider/powervr-insider.asp | 18:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | check out that | 18:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | looks like you need pvrvframe | 18:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also for perf analysis, get pvrtune and put it on your phone | 18:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: IPv6 \0/ | 18:43 |
| faenil | itsnotabigtruck, I don't anything atm :D | 18:43 |
| faenil | just want to know which simulator supports GLES2.0 | 18:44 |
| faenil | and so far, it seems only iOS' does | 18:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also imagination provides texture compression tools that you can use | 18:44 |
| djszapi | faenil: is that a good one ? | 18:44 |
| faenil | djszapi, perfectly smooth, from what I have seen on my colleague's laptop | 18:44 |
| djszapi | faenil: he was showing some photoshop'ped screenshots ? :P | 18:45 |
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| djszapi | faenil: beyond the joke, yes, that is not so awesome...but oh well | 18:46 |
| faenil | djszapi, I'm astonished by the fact that not even google found a solution for that | 18:47 |
| faenil | to that | 18:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, i'd hope that a PC's gpu is faster an a powervr | 18:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | even with an emulation layer | 18:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and opengl es 2.0 isn't much different from opengl 2.0 | 18:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there isn't much to emulate, really | 18:47 |
| djszapi | faenil: probably not much gain out of it. | 18:47 |
| djszapi | from business pov. | 18:47 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: it is different. | 18:48 |
| djszapi | one code might end up horribly broken on the other. | 18:48 |
| djszapi | that is what we experienced in gluon graphics sometimes. | 18:48 |
| djszapi | but not a brand new spec, that is true. | 18:48 |
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| faenil | itsnotabigtruck, so why is the iOS sim the only one which offers such so damn useful feature? | 18:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | itsnotabigtruck: better? | 18:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: not much different from before but /shrug :p | 18:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | faenil: probably because with so many iphone exclusive apps, iphone dev tools are serious business | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | I prefer fullquotes over paraphrasing | 18:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and the iphone has a well defined fixed hardware configuration | 18:51 |
| djszapi | faenil: I think some manager was phanatic about it to propose one. | 18:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | android doesn't | 18:51 |
| djszapi | or they had some serious business use case. | 18:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | n9 does, but given that we're having trouble getting up to date header files, a 3d-aware simulator doesn't seem like a super high priority | 18:51 |
| faenil | itsnotabigtruck, it really sucks that I have to kill myself to test a simple app when I don't have the phone/tablet with me | 18:52 |
| djszapi | faenil: pay them to make one :P | 18:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | faenil: i *highly* doubt your game/whatever can't be ported to qt and the powervr simulator | 18:52 |
| djszapi | in business order of magnitude for sure, not donation with few thousand euros :) | 18:52 |
| faenil | itsnotabigtruck, wait, so the powervr simulator can run Qt apps which use GLES2.0? | 18:53 |
| faenil | :P | 18:53 |
| djszapi | faenil: not many people requested this feature here so far. | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | for anything hw-related there's just so much use in testing it in a simulator | 18:53 |
| faenil | djszapi, and that's so strange... :) | 18:53 |
| djszapi | and even your case would be fixable fairly easy. | 18:53 |
| djszapi | so why bother with employing further X specialists for such a project ? | 18:54 |
| faenil | djszapi, fairly easy in this case is "buying a device" | 18:54 |
| djszapi | and you have one | 18:54 |
| djszapi | or well, eventually more. | 18:54 |
| djszapi | plus you have RDA | 18:54 |
| faenil | yeah RDA is a good thing | 18:55 |
| faenil | which RIM or google doesn't have (afaik) | 18:55 |
| djszapi | so you have more ways to do the job. It is not a must have for you to have one. | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you want to "test" an app on x86 that's using N9 hw bits, you probably want to set some #define that kicks out all the hw related stuff like GLES via #ifdef and replaces it with some generic helper stuff that runs on x86, in #else | 18:55 |
| djszapi | you can get along with the available opportunities not in a difficult manner. | 18:55 |
| djszapi | faenil: you can get free RIM devices. | 18:55 |
| faenil | DocScrutinizer, ofc, that's the only thing you can do, if your sim doesn't support GLES2.0 | 18:55 |
| faenil | djszapi, that's what I'm trying to do, but I can't test my 3d model viewer | 18:56 |
| djszapi | faenil: man...be smart | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ...or NFC-functionality, or multitouch, or $random-other-hw-related | 18:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | faenil: point is, there's ways you can do this stuff | 18:57 |
| djszapi | write a simple application for getting a device, and then you can test your one later on the real hardware. | 18:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's complicated, sure, but lots of stuff is complicated | 18:57 |
| djszapi | I wrote a useless metronome :P | 18:57 |
| djszapi | in few hours | 18:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also faenil: i thought you had an N950 | 18:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or if not, an N9 | 18:57 |
| djszapi | he has both :P | 18:57 |
| faenil | DocScrutinizer, the simulator simulates multitouch | 18:57 |
| faenil | DocScrutinizer, that's what simulators are about | 18:58 |
| faenil | itsnotabigtruck, yes, I do | 18:58 |
| faenil | itsnotabigtruck, but I repeat, this is not the point :) | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you could write a GLES simulator as well | 18:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | faenil: then why are you complaining about having to buy a phone | 18:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you have a phone | 18:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | use it | 18:58 |
| faenil | itsnotabigtruck, omg XD | 18:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and if you don't want to use it, then arrange to run your program on a gles emulator | 18:58 |
| faenil | djszapi, I'm porting the 3dmodel viewer to get the free device.. | 18:59 |
| faenil | but I'm having people on the chat test it :) | 18:59 |
| faenil | when I find someone who has got spare time to do so | 18:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | faenil: free playbook, or free something else | 18:59 |
| faenil | playbook | 18:59 |
| djszapi | faenil: again, write a simple app to get a device | 18:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i thought you were complaining about harmattan's simulator | 18:59 |
| djszapi | faenil: do not make your life really hard. | 19:00 |
| faenil | itsnotabigtruck, no my discussion was just about whether harm's sim supported GLES2.0 or not | 19:00 |
| faenil | just an info :D | 19:00 |
| faenil | djszapi, I did not want to risk, they could refuse a simple app | 19:00 |
| djszapi | huh ? | 19:00 |
| djszapi | so you send blindly one that you have not experienced yourself, it works ? | 19:01 |
| faenil | djszapi, it's not like everyone who sends an app gets the device :) | 19:01 |
| djszapi | ofc, you should make a useful simple app | 19:01 |
| faenil | djszapi, no, I sent a non-working file atm, I'll send the fixed one in the next days | 19:01 |
| faenil | before they review the app, hopefully | 19:01 |
| djszapi | LOL :D | 19:01 |
| faenil | :D | 19:01 |
| djszapi | I am sorry, but you tend your life hard on purpose... | 19:02 |
| djszapi | to make* | 19:02 |
| faenil | it took 10 "remote testing" to port my 3d model viewer anyway :D | 19:02 |
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| faenil | so Qt really is portable, LOL | 19:02 |
| faenil | some features not working atm, but I know what needs fixing :) | 19:02 |
| faenil | anyway, my discussion was just to know what was the situation regarding harmattan's simulator | 19:03 |
| djszapi | apparently, noone is interested in a 64 GB N9 on the forum where I advertised... | 19:03 |
| djszapi | at least in two days, so far. | 19:03 |
| faenil | and the final answer is, if you don't have a device you have RDA, or you need to play with external gles emulators | 19:03 |
| djszapi | well, there was one retarded who did not even read the advertisement, just wanted to get it cheap. | 19:03 |
| faenil | djszapi, XD | 19:03 |
| djszapi | faenil: that is definitely not my answer, but whatever. | 19:04 |
| faenil | djszapi, you said RDA, didn't u? :O | 19:04 |
| djszapi | for Harmattan, yes. For BB, no. | 19:04 |
| faenil | ofc :) | 19:04 |
| faenil | I meant for harmattan | 19:04 |
| djszapi | I said a simple and useful app for BB | 19:05 |
| faenil | yes | 19:05 |
| faenil | ... | 19:05 |
| djszapi | though my metronome is quite useless :D :D :D | 19:05 |
| faenil | :D ahahah | 19:05 |
| faenil | itsnotabigtruck, djszapi DocScrutinizer does anyone of you have experience with glGetError? | 19:06 |
| djszapi | yes | 19:06 |
| faenil | so, here's the thing | 19:06 |
| faenil | I have class a and b | 19:06 |
| faenil | in a->foo() | 19:06 |
| faenil | I call b->init() | 19:06 |
| faenil | before calling init() in a->foo() I check glerror, and it's 0 | 19:06 |
| alterego | Just noticed that the calendar icon, which updates with the current days date. There's an icon for every date in /usr/share/themes/blanco/meegotouch/icons | 19:06 |
| alterego | Would have thought it'd be better to dynamically create the right one when it's required. | 19:07 |
| faenil | at the beginning of b->foo() I define int gl = glGetError() | 19:07 |
| faenil | and it's 1280! | 19:07 |
| faenil | before calling any gl function | 19:07 |
| faenil | how does that come? | 19:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | faenil: calling glGetError itself resets the error state | 19:07 |
| djszapi | is this still the same problem from the past ? | 19:07 |
| faenil | itsnotabigtruck, yes I know | 19:07 |
| faenil | djszapi, nope | 19:07 |
| alterego | That's ~132K/bytes wasted | 19:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh, nm, reread it | 19:08 |
| faenil | itsnotabigtruck, ok ;) | 19:08 |
| faenil | it's like a->foo{ if (glerror) printGlError; b->init()} | 19:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | alterego: yup, the dynamic version probably wouldn't look as nice | 19:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | my calendarrr program could display the other icons on pr1.1 | 19:08 |
| faenil | and b->init{ int gl = glgeterror(); if (glerror) printglerror; THEN GL CALLS)} | 19:09 |
| faenil | that's the pseudocode | 19:09 |
| faenil | how does that come | 19:09 |
| alterego | I'm sure they could get it looking fine with a little automated image stuff. | 19:09 |
| faenil | that I get 1280 at the beginning of b->init? | 19:09 |
| alterego | Hell, the device has image magick installed on it. | 19:09 |
| alterego | By default | 19:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | faenil: btw, might be a good idea to have some macros or whatnot for checking glgeterror | 19:09 |
| faenil | yeah that's just the pseudocode, thanks anyway | 19:09 |
| djszapi | faenil: and what is 1280 ? | 19:10 |
| faenil | INVALID_ENUM | 19:10 |
| djszapi | I am afraid, you need to show the code for that... | 19:10 |
| faenil | I'm not calling any gl function | 19:10 |
| faenil | so how can that change xD | 19:10 |
| djszapi | just show... | 19:11 |
| djszapi | many people said they do not think there are problems elsewhere ;-) | 19:11 |
| faenil | can't, have to ask for permission | 19:11 |
| * djszapi is off for PA sprint preparation | 19:11 | |
| faenil | ;) | 19:12 |
| djszapi | faenil: oh btw vote for the bug report | 19:12 |
| djszapi | https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24983 -> if you think, it makes sense. | 19:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | whoa http://faceted.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/okuda_home_photo.jpg | 19:13 |
| faenil | itsnotabigtruck, nice :D | 19:14 |
| faenil | djszapi, what's the harm project rep? | 19:14 |
| faenil | what's in there? | 19:14 |
| djszapi | faenil: see the first url in the footnote. | 19:15 |
| djszapi | not much in there, but it would be nice to have that formally. | 19:15 |
| faenil | ok :) | 19:16 |
| djszapi | andnot someone's home folder as I wrote. | 19:16 |
| djszapi | btw, anybody from Darmstadt in here ? | 19:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: there is apps4meego, i think that's the answer you would get | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | faenil: object instantiation and initialization in C++ is a tarpit. You never know what gets done when | 19:19 |
| djszapi | huh ? | 19:19 |
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| faenil | DocScrutinizer ... | 19:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: well, there's stuff in there, it's just not listed in OBS | 19:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in fact, i don't think it's possible to modify it without direct access to the OBS server | 19:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because OBS doesn't allow binary uploads | 19:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but that's also why i don't understand your bug - that project is supposed to be exactly the same as the beta3 sdk, nothing more, nothing less | 19:22 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: clearly, you do not understand what you are talking about | 19:22 |
| djszapi | nor how a repository works in c-obs. | 19:22 |
| djszapi | you basically say that Mer, MeeGo, Nemo, Plasma Active, Fedora, Ubuntu and Debian made miracle things | 19:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: well, i think the harmattan stuff was imported differently from those | 19:23 |
| djszapi | "in fact, i don't think it's possible to modify it without direct access to the OBS server" -> it makes no sense | 19:24 |
| djszapi | "because OBS doesn't allow binary uploads" -> zero fact, it does. | 19:24 |
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| djszapi | " but that's also why i don't understand your bug - that project is supposed to be exactly the same as the beta3 sdk, nothing more, nothing less" -> not, it is not. | 19:24 |
| djszapi | so again, zero fact. | 19:24 |
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| djszapi | jreznik: o/ | 19:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/repository_state?project=Debian%3A6.0&repository=standard | 19:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the Debian:6.0 repo doesn't list any packages either | 19:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nor fedora: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/packages?project=Fedora%3A16 | 19:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | frals: ping | 19:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nor opensuse: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=openSUSE%3A12.1 | 19:25 |
| djszapi | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=CE%3AMW%3APlasmaActive | 19:25 |
| jreznik | djszapi: :) hi! | 19:26 |
| djszapi | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=Mer%3AOBS | 19:26 |
| djszapi | etc | 19:26 |
| djszapi | jreznik: we might need your help with the raspberry project. | 19:26 |
| djszapi | jreznik: do you happen to have access to Fedora 14 ? | 19:27 |
| jreznik | djszapi: on f14 right now :) | 19:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: what is that supposed to be...it's not a build target | 19:27 |
| jreznik | and building f18 packages from here right now :))) | 19:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: the entire raison d'être of the repo you linked in your report, is to provide harmattan sdk packages to harmattan builds | 19:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's it | 19:28 |
| djszapi | no | 19:28 |
| djszapi | that makes zero sense | 19:28 |
| djszapi | and obviously, that is now how Mer, MeeGo, PA, Nemo work there either | 19:29 |
| djszapi | but how I say. | 19:29 |
| djszapi | they /do/ have subprojects | 19:29 |
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| djszapi | and obviously, if you do not have access you cannot add subprojects. | 19:29 |
| djszapi | jreznik: hehe, nice one :) | 19:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: then where *are* harmattan sdk packages supposed to come from | 19:29 |
| djszapi | jreznik: we might need some development image for kde projects. | 19:29 |
| djszapi | in case of raspberry. | 19:30 |
| djszapi | jreznik: and afaik, the toolchain and the image creation mostly works only on Fedora 14 :/ | 19:30 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: from Nokia obviously. | 19:30 |
| jreznik | djszapi: that's sad only fedora is supported :( | 19:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: from which OBS repository | 19:30 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: I do not understand how that is notr trivial. | 19:30 |
| djszapi | Nokia does not use OBS. | 19:31 |
| jreznik | on the other hand - seneca guys are really doing good job supporting fedora on rap-pi | 19:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: we're talking about OBS here | 19:31 |
| djszapi | how have you ever thought they do for Harmatan ? | 19:31 |
| djszapi | exactly | 19:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which OBS repository do you enter when creating a project | 19:31 |
| jreznik | djszapi: could you be more specific in what you need? | 19:31 |
| djszapi | and that is why I do not understand why you confuse Nokia in. | 19:31 |
| djszapi | jreznik: yes, just hard to deal with itsnotabigtruck :P | 19:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: when you do a build of a harmattan package in OBS, OBS builds a virtual machine with build dependencies | 19:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | harmattan build dependencies | 19:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in OBS, all build dependencies have to come from an OBS repository | 19:32 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: you do not still understand how OBS works. | 19:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so it's all internally consistent | 19:32 |
| djszapi | could you please start at the manual, if any ? | 19:32 |
| djszapi | there are subprojects attached to a project.. | 19:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan/blahblahblah | 19:32 |
| djszapi | seriously, open up many in there... | 19:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | is the harmattan sdk, imported into OBS | 19:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's where all your harmattan packages come from | 19:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and it's not clear at all what you want to change about that | 19:33 |
| djszapi | sorry, I need to ignore you :) | 19:33 |
| djszapi | in order to talk to jreznik | 19:33 |
| djszapi | it is much more fruitful discussion to me. | 19:33 |
| djszapi | jreznik: yeah, sure so basic dependencies, I think like at meego times. | 19:33 |
| djszapi | it would be nice to bundle the things up to the kde-runtime layer or so. | 19:34 |
| djszapi | but any layer from the ground is a nice addition. | 19:34 |
| djszapi | so ideally, the "kde development image" would be shipped to KDE developers without any troubles with packaging, dependency building at large and so forth. | 19:35 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: it took me 2 clicks ... | 19:35 |
| djszapi | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/subprojects?project=Mer | 19:35 |
| jreznik | I can try to prepare a rasp-pi-dev kickstart | 19:35 |
| jreznik | btw. it's quite easy to set up kde devel. env in fedora | 19:36 |
| djszapi | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/subprojects?project=CE same here. | 19:36 |
| jreznik | just pick up fedora 14 kde spin, install it | 19:36 |
| djszapi | jreznik: we would like to use our host system without changing. You know, the one ... we are used to. | 19:36 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: yet another two clicks: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/subprojects?project=MeeGo | 19:37 |
| jreznik | it's going to be difficult to do something on top of f14 as it's already eol (in case of needed changes etc...) | 19:37 |
| djszapi | please do not be lazy :) | 19:37 |
| djszapi | jreznik: oh so it is even unhandy for fedora users ? | 19:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: lazy about what? none of this actually explains what it is you want to do | 19:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | how about this | 19:38 |
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| jreznik | djszapi: yep, f15 and f16 are alive right now, f15 will be eoled soon after f17 release | 19:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | provided that your request gets approved, what precisely would be changed in OBS | 19:39 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: I am not sure what is not totally straight-forward in that. | 19:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | changes = package and subproject creations, etc. | 19:39 |
| jreznik | but arm version is delayed in f14 times (they already have newer one even) | 19:39 |
| djszapi | jreznik: do you think the Fedora14 workflow works on later versions ? | 19:39 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: you do not need to do that | 19:39 |
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| admiral0 | hello | 19:40 |
| djszapi | it is implementation detail.... | 19:40 |
| jreznik | djszapi: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM - so f17 alpha is released for arm too :) | 19:40 |
| admiral0 | djszapi: can i disturb you a moment | 19:40 |
| admiral0 | ? | 19:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: no, it's not, you're asking for access to be provided in order to do X | 19:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm asking you what X is | 19:40 |
| djszapi | admiral0: no please, I am talking already to two guys. | 19:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 19:40 |
| admiral0 | sadtroll.jpg | 19:40 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | admiral0: would disturbing me work? | 19:40 |
| djszapi | (though I would personally like to talk only to one) | 19:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | :p | 19:41 |
| admiral0 | maybe | 19:41 |
| admiral0 | i'm trying to make lpsmagic work with aegis | 19:41 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck knows aegis better ;) | 19:41 |
| djszapi | he proved it many times :P | 19:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | o.O | 19:42 |
| djszapi | jreznik: I see, mmh. | 19:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, admiral0: hit me up on jabber | 19:42 |
| admiral0 | i need a process running as root exposing an API on system dbus | 19:42 |
| jreznik | djszapi: I'll be quite busy travelling this week but I'll talk to guys and we try to make you feel in fedora like in your home distro (but again, it's f14...) | 19:42 |
| admiral0 | i'm on a train | 19:42 |
| admiral0 | waitpid | 19:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | admiral0: you can put stuff in the aegis manifest to authorize dbus stuff | 19:43 |
| admiral0 | so "hit" is quite inappropriate | 19:43 |
| admiral0 | seeing what happened in poland :P | 19:43 |
| djszapi | jreznik: is it not possible to get a customized KDE development image that I can use for chroot'ing on my Archlinux for instance ? | 19:43 |
| djszapi | admiral0: are you sure you need to use Dbus ? | 19:44 |
| djszapi | it is a bit vulnerable stuff unfortunately on Harmattan. | 19:44 |
| jreznik | djszapi: uf, never tried anything similar - at first I'd like to try a kickstart and deliver iso, then I can try to abuse yum to make a chrooted env. | 19:46 |
| djszapi | jreznik: so the workflow was like that at meego times: we could create a KDE development image which is really just an image, and it could be invoked on any host distribution for chroot purposes. | 19:46 |
| djszapi | which is worse imho than scratchbox, but I cannot change it unfortunately. :) | 19:46 |
| djszapi | because the problem is that if I get the toolchain ready in place, KDE developers need to deal with the whole stack on their own (every single developer). | 19:47 |
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| jreznik | djszapi: do you have a link to this meego image? | 19:48 |
| djszapi | so when the guy at FOSDEM was asked about this by me and Aleix, we were told, it is gonna be possible to use our host with this image like at meego times: just a simple chroot, and we are inside the development environment. | 19:48 |
| jreznik | djszapi: I remember it... | 19:49 |
| djszapi | I had the impression at FOSDEM, we were advertized and convinced by such a workflow again. | 19:49 |
| djszapi | plan B is getting C-OBS with raspberry target, but we all know a new c-obs target when it gets stable...long time which would run out of the three months deadline. | 19:50 |
| djszapi | (not sure it really is three months, but I have been told today by a raspberry pi mentor). | 19:51 |
| djszapi | jreznik: I do not find those images, sorry | 19:54 |
| djszapi | were they created by kickstart ? | 19:54 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | what's up? | 21:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | only 7pm utc and everyone's gone already? | 21:11 |
| admiral0 | i'm here | 21:11 |
| admiral0 | reading docs | 21:11 |
| admiral0 | :\ | 21:11 |
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| admiral0 | and packaging php 5.4.0 | 21:11 |
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| dfaure | hi there. An upgrade prevents my N9 from booting, due to "devicelockd". I tried the instructions at http://wiki.meego.com/N950/Fixing_MALF_state but fdisk finds no partitions on /dev/sdb. | 21:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | dfaure: hmm | 21:16 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | would you be against flashing it and starting from scratch? | 21:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because that's always the easiest way to go | 21:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also if you're running pr1.2, booting that rescue kernel puts you into open mode | 21:16 |
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| dfaure | I'd like to preserve my calendar events :( | 21:17 |
| dfaure | what's "open mode" ? | 21:17 |
| dfaure | (I think I was running pr1.2, yes) | 21:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | open mode causes a nasty disclaimer/warning to appear every time you boot the phone | 21:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it allows you to bypass aegis but it's not a good idea to enable it unless you're deliberately doing so | 21:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for one, you have to wipe everything at the same time or it's prone to break things | 21:18 |
| dfaure | at this point I'd really prefer to bypass any security, than to get a broken phone by trying to install something.... | 21:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82781 < lol @ this thread | 21:18 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | dfaure: what do you mean by "get a broken phone..." | 21:20 |
| dfaure | well this stupid situation with devicelockd preventing me from booting... | 21:21 |
| admiral0 | itsnotabigtruck: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=flash%20nokia%20n9 | 21:21 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | admiral0: most of those guides aren't very good, i wrote a more complete one, that mentions how to erase the lock code | 21:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that guide was already linked in the thread | 21:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | :/ | 21:23 |
| djszapi | mmh, anybody here with opengl experience ? | 21:23 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: a little bit, shoot | 21:27 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: do you also have experience with QtOpenGL ? | 21:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: nope, not at all | 21:31 |
| denism1 | dfaure: could you clarify, what's on the 2nd line, i.e. what is more detailed description of your MALF state? | 21:34 |
| dfaure | denism1: | 21:35 |
| dfaure | Security problem (devicelockd) : | 21:35 |
| dfaure | /usr/lib/libXcursor.so.1.0.2 | 21:35 |
| denism1 | dfaure: are you sure it is PR1.2? | 21:35 |
| dfaure | (this happened after I installed the kontact touch packages advertised on kde-mobile mailing-list) | 21:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | :/ | 21:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | iirc those packages have had major problems in the past | 21:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's a good chance it was mispackaged and went and trashed system files | 21:36 |
| dfaure | these are newer packages, but obviously the problem is still there (sometimes) | 21:36 |
| dfaure | I installed the exact same packages on my wife's phone and it worked fine | 21:37 |
| dfaure | others have installed them too. | 21:37 |
| dfaure | seems to be a bit random | 21:37 |
| dfaure | denism1: I had the latest updates, so yeah, I think that was PR1.2 | 21:39 |
| dfaure | djszapi: on kde-mobile, what did you mean by "Have you installed it from the Nokia source or some custom repository?" What's it/ | 21:40 |
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| djszapi | dfaure: never mind :) | 21:42 |
| djszapi | we realized then it is coming from unknown source | 21:43 |
| djszapi | dfaure: you still experience it after the PR1.2 update ? | 21:44 |
| dfaure | djszapi: ? I can't boot my phone.... | 21:44 |
| djszapi | denism1: it is the same issue we discussed previously. | 21:44 |
| dfaure | so I can't update anything | 21:44 |
| djszapi | dfaure: you did not use the flasher yet ? | 21:44 |
| dfaure | I tried to flash a rescue thingie to access the partitions, but that didn't work (no partitions on /dev/sdb) | 21:44 |
| djszapi | I mean full reflash. | 21:44 |
| dfaure | I'll try flashing firmware from NaviFirm+ now | 21:45 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: nah | 21:45 |
| djszapi | that was packaged by me, and perfectly fine :) | 21:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hm | 21:45 |
| djszapi | not because of me, but I just grabbed from debian. | 21:45 |
| djszapi | the root cause was already detected | 21:45 |
| djszapi | PR1.2 fixes it :) | 21:45 |
| djszapi | (hopefully as expected) | 21:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: what is the root cause then? | 21:46 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: malfdetection by system software guys. | 21:46 |
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| * dfaure thanks nokia for forcing me to run windows software just to download some firmware... | 21:46 | |
| djszapi | dfaure: cannot you grab the url ? | 21:47 |
| djszapi | and wget it ? | 21:47 |
| dfaure | which url | 21:47 |
| dfaure | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82693 talks about running some software | 21:47 |
| djszapi | I am sorry, but I am not familiar with this unofficial, not recommended way | 21:47 |
| djszapi | but people talked amongst each other about a direct url back then | 21:47 |
| dfaure | " a utility for downloading firmware files from Nokia's servers" sounds pretty official ;) | 21:48 |
| dfaure | ah | 21:48 |
| djszapi | nah | 21:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | dfaure: it's not official at all | 21:48 |
| dm8tbr | there is a perl script or somesuch for linux ;) | 21:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's an unofficial program, that obtains URLs from a nokia official server | 21:48 |
| djszapi | someone writing an ovi app to unofficially download it ? :P | 21:48 |
| dm8tbr | or was it python? | 21:48 |
| denism1 | dfaure: no, as I understand - it is something like a hack for some Nokia Care services | 21:48 |
| djszapi | dfaure: I would like to warn you: if it is your N9, you may lose the warranty. | 21:49 |
| dfaure | I don't have a warranty, it's a nokia gift at DevDays | 21:49 |
| djszapi | *nods* | 21:49 |
| dfaure | I don't understand why it's so complicated to download firmware for it, though | 21:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's actually a program from nokia called Nokia Data Package Manager | 21:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's basically nokia's version of navifirm | 21:50 |
| djszapi | dfaure: because the official way is SSU or the Windows/Mac apps | 21:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but navifirm does everything DPM does and more | 21:50 |
| djszapi | dfaure: and then Nokia Care. | 21:50 |
| dfaure | nokia care doesn't apply for a gift, I suppose | 21:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: please don't start this again | 21:51 |
| djszapi | dfaure: probably, but have you checked your IMEI number with Nokia Care ? | 21:51 |
| djszapi | just for making sure, you do not really have warranty. | 21:52 |
| djszapi | or was it Quim telling this directly ? | 21:52 |
| dfaure | right, I have no clue | 21:52 |
| dfaure | (as shown by all the above ;) | 21:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | dfaure: it's probably under warranty, i doubt nokia can tell it apart from any other retail N9 | 21:52 |
| djszapi | I do not have any for the one I won on Thursday with this application competition though. | 21:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'd assume for those sorts of prizes, they're just retail units released from inventory | 21:53 |
| djszapi | dfaure: so you do not most likely have it either | 21:53 |
| djszapi | but always better to check. :) | 21:53 |
| dfaure | would the warranty sort me out of this mess, anyway? | 21:53 |
| dfaure | clearly I installed your unsupported packages, so... :-) | 21:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | dfaure: no, they'll flash it | 21:53 |
| djszapi | you would be able to send it to Nokia Care. | 21:53 |
| djszapi | dfaure: yes, of course. | 21:53 |
| djszapi | it is a firmware bug (known). | 21:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you'll bring it there, they'll leave it sitting around for a week and possibly scratch it up, and flash it | 21:54 |
| djszapi | dfaure: as you saw, it even happened internally with Qt3D | 21:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's absolutely no reason to do that when you can do it at home in 10 minutes, safely and effectively | 21:54 |
| dfaure | yeah, guess I should just try flashing it myself. | 21:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i am curious, however @djszapi, what the actual trigger for this is | 21:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so as everyone can avoid it | 21:54 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: already told you. | 21:54 |
| dfaure | symbian-toys.com is so slow that "10 minutes" seems optimistic ;-) | 21:54 |
| djszapi | and you cannot really avoid technically. | 21:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you said it was some trigger in devicelockd | 21:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | trigger on what | 21:55 |
| djszapi | never said that ... | 21:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, you said: itsnotabigtruck: malfdetection by system software guys. | 21:55 |
| djszapi | in this special case, it is coming from a system software check against devicelock. | 21:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | scratch the devicelockd part | 21:55 |
| djszapi | dfaure: so, if for some reasons you have warranty, you will probably not lose it in the practice, but I just wanted to be profesionally fair what is the "official saying". | 21:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | right, it is possible to screw up your phone with flasher, especially if you venture outside of the stuff in the guide | 22:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or put it into open mode when you didn't want to | 22:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | when you run flasher it shows you a warning saying it's for "professional use only" and that using it incorrectly could void the warranty | 22:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just flashing the phone with the latest nokia stuff won't void the warranty in any reasonable interpretation of that | 22:02 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | but e.g. obliterating the NAND using some broken image you just cooked up, on the other hand :p | 22:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm surprised there's been so few attempts to cook firmware so far | 22:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | all the tools are available | 22:05 |
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| dfaure | gahhh, still no response from server... does anyone have NaviFirm+ for windows at hand? :/ | 22:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | dfaure: i'll just give you some hotlinks | 22:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which variant code are you trying to download | 22:07 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | did you already upgrade to PR1.2? if so, which variant code do you have right now | 22:08 |
| dfaure | I'm confused about PR1.2. I'm pretty sure I upgraded, yes, but djszapi says the issue is because I didn't have 1.2.... | 22:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | wait, it's working just fine | 22:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://www.symbian-toys.com/download.aspx?file=NaviFirmPlus_1.7.zip | 22:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | dfaure: get flasher installed and do flasher -i | 22:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | see what version it says you're running | 22:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i think you already got a link to my flashing manual, read through that, especially the part about what counts as a downgrade | 22:09 |
| djszapi | dfaure: I have not seen any mentioning about a successful update to PR1.2 in that thread. | 22:10 |
| djszapi | from you before writing the issue. | 22:10 |
| dfaure | Version of 'sw-release': DFL61_HARMATTAN_20.2011.40-4_PR_009 | 22:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | dfaure: that's pr1.1... | 22:10 |
| dfaure | (but this could be messed up by the flashing of "rescue", no?) | 22:10 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | well, normally you don't actually flash the rescue kernel, but either way, no | 22:10 |
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| dfaure | ah, ok. My bad, then. | 22:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also since you aren't on pr1.2 yet, you can use any variant you want | 22:11 |
| dfaure | itsnotabigtruck: that link offers "save as", but then no data is coming in. | 22:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | can't go wrong with 001 | 22:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | dfaure: just downloaded successfully...is something wrong with your connection? | 22:12 |
| dfaure | hmm, weird.... | 22:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | are you using firefox? because sometimes firefox will go haywire and refuse to transfer data | 22:13 |
| dfaure | I tried firefox on windows, and konqueror on linux | 22:13 |
| dfaure | konq got 24K, then nothing else | 22:13 |
| * dfaure sighs and tries IE.... | 22:14 | |
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| djszapi | dfaure: you seem to enjoy windows ;) | 22:14 |
| dfaure | almost as much as kontact touch.... | 22:15 |
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| dfaure | IE gave up quick. But wget seems to work... | 22:16 |
| djszapi | cool :) | 22:16 |
| faenil | djszapi, you've got a playbook right? | 22:17 |
| djszapi | not right :p | 22:17 |
| djszapi | but I would like to change my N9 won for a playbook though... | 22:18 |
| djszapi | lucky guys at MWC gotten one for free :) | 22:18 |
| bindi | I'm still kind of mad at nokia for not selling the N950 ;_; | 22:18 |
| bindi | need an upgrade to my N900, like the N9, don't like the absence of qwerty | 22:19 |
| * bindi kills self | 22:19 | |
| faenil | I need someone with a playbooko xD | 22:19 |
| djszapi | faenil: why not ask in #qt-qnx or #playbook-dev ? | 22:19 |
| dfaure | sigh, wget stalls at 96K. itsnotabigtruck: sorry to impose, but could you upload navfirm+ somewhere for me? | 22:19 |
| faenil | djszapi, because I already asked there? :P | 22:19 |
| djszapi | faenil: right, but that does not make it a playbook channel. | 22:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | dfaure: i would but the server is working, and once you have navifirm then you have to download 1.5 GB of firmware files | 22:20 |
| faenil | I was told you had it :D | 22:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and it sounds like something has gone wrong with your computer/router/isp/whatever | 22:20 |
| djszapi | faenil: really ? xD | 22:20 |
| faenil | djszapi, yes XD | 22:21 |
| dfaure | oh from the same server? damn | 22:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | are you able to download anything else right now? | 22:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | dfaure: no, not the same server | 22:21 |
| dfaure | webbrowsing works just fine | 22:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but since that server is working fine on my end i doubt that's ht eproblem | 22:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | got a solid 20 kB/s on a slow hotspot | 22:21 |
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| * dfaure grabs his 3G key... | 22:22 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | heh | 22:22 |
| ghjgfjghjbn | anyone use android extensively (1+year) before getting n9? | 22:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/p/d/fds_fire/1202/2209/6514970204/DFL61_HARMATTAN_30.2012.07-1_PR_LEGACY_001-OEM1-958_ARM.bin | 22:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just use that | 22:22 |
| djszapi | ghjgfjghjbn: perhaps RST38h | 22:23 |
| djszapi | ghjgfjghjbn: but shoot the question anyway about Harmattan.. | 22:23 |
| dfaure | itsnotabigtruck: thanks! | 22:24 |
| ghjgfjghjbn | im thinking about picking up white n9, but ive been using android for 1 year. RST38h you around? | 22:24 |
| djszapi | ghjgfjghjbn: so what is the question ? :) Advices in general, whether it is a good thing to do ? | 22:25 |
| ghjgfjghjbn | looking for opinions/experience from previous android user | 22:26 |
| ajalkane | I just picked up a white N9. Haven't regretted it so far. My wife has an android if that counts :P | 22:26 |
| djszapi | ajalkane: and she bought it for you right ? :) | 22:26 |
| ajalkane | djszapi: yeah :) | 22:26 |
| djszapi | ajalkane: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24983 Please vote for this bug, if you think it makes sense. | 22:27 |
| ajalkane | djszapi: I don't have enough understanding of the topic to be anything other than baffled by the whole description | 22:29 |
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| djszapi | ajalkane: heh | 22:29 |
| djszapi | ajalkane: thing is that, we would like to get ouf of the "Community Repository in someone's home folder" situation. | 22:30 |
| djszapi | and we would like to have it in a more formal place as other projects do, as in: Mer, MeeGo, Nemo, Plasma Active and the like. | 22:30 |
| ajalkane | what's wrong with community repo being someone's home folder, or any place that's reachable? | 22:30 |
| djszapi | nobody does this way because it makes no sense :) | 22:31 |
| djszapi | that is what the "Project" entry was established for. | 22:31 |
| djszapi | Unfortunately, when I proposed the home folder, I have not had any clues we are gonna hit this well-known state. | 22:31 |
| ajalkane | Explain. I understand using a formal place if it's then installed to the device without user having to add it manually. | 22:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: ok, so what you really want to do is move the home:rzr:harmattan repo to a more official place | 22:32 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: exactly. | 22:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you could have just said so! except the repository you linked in your bug is for SDK packages only | 22:32 |
| djszapi | or well...partially. | 22:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so it can't be MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan | 22:32 |
| djszapi | I would like to move more things in there actually, not just rzr | 22:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it could be MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan:Community or something | 22:33 |
| djszapi | ajalkane: you need to add obs repositories manually of course | 22:33 |
| djszapi | unless you have a helper Ui tool for that. | 22:33 |
| djszapi | since they are not shipped by the platform. | 22:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or Community:MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan perhaps | 22:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | add a new top-level repo | 22:33 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: of course it can | 22:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that would mirror Apps:MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan | 22:34 |
| djszapi | it is gonna be many subprojects in that | 22:34 |
| djszapi | that is the whole bug report about. | 22:34 |
| ajalkane | ok, I'm unfortunately too ignorant to make a reasonable opinion on this issue. | 22:34 |
| djszapi | fair enough | 22:34 |
| djszapi | Community:MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan makes no sense | 22:35 |
| djszapi | that would mean nothing else than decoupling things for the same purpose. | 22:35 |
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| djszapi | so, nah. such a thing is no go. | 22:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: it'd a good idea in concept but i think the report needs to be rewritten so that the powers that be have a chance at figuring out what the objective is | 22:35 |
| djszapi | they did | 22:36 |
| djszapi | we agreed upon discussing it tomorrow in details. | 22:36 |
| djszapi | I personally really wonder what is not quite straight-forward to you. | 22:36 |
| djszapi | since that is what all the other projects do. | 22:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, *everything* that's harmattan in OBS depends on MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan/Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard | 22:37 |
| djszapi | I mean it is nothing new, just the general stuff | 22:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so whoever has access to that repo can co-opt anything in OBS that's harmattan-related | 22:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for example, by arranging the build system to go compile in a trojan as a static library into everything | 22:37 |
| djszapi | this is hijacking. | 22:38 |
| djszapi | the point is that, the current community repository maintainers would like to be able to arrange the future of the Harmattan repository story. | 22:39 |
| djszapi | without any concrete implementation details. | 22:39 |
| djszapi | because it is currently messed up, and mostly in Harmattan. | 22:39 |
| djszapi | other projects seem to do cool. | 22:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, it would seem to be logical to restructure it as e.g. | 22:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan -> SDK:PR1.0, SDK:PR1.1, SDK:PR1.2, Community:Apps, Community:Support, AppsForMeego:Apps | 22:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it's kinda too late to move the sdk repo, everything in obs is hardwired to it | 22:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but assuming that there even *is* a pr1.2 sdk ever released, there'll need to be a place to put it | 22:43 |
| djszapi | as for me, totally irrelevant question at this stage | 22:43 |
| djszapi | we will decide how to organize once we are able to organize. | 22:44 |
| djszapi | it is not a hard matter to organize these things... | 22:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: except a) the SDK packages are directly uploaded into that /Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard repo and it takes admin intervention to do any move of those | 22:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that and updating every repo for harmattan | 22:45 |
| djszapi | and there are no such things as "SDK:PR1.X" in my mind | 22:45 |
| djszapi | I would like to deal with the community effort, plus apps/tools repository, nothing more. | 22:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | b) my previous point about co-opting everything | 22:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | whatever the sdk repo is, it has to be trusted | 22:45 |
| djszapi | again, there is no "SDK repository". | 22:46 |
| djszapi | forget it | 22:46 |
| djszapi | they are not targetted for real usage | 22:46 |
| djszapi | They even claimed it. | 22:47 |
| djszapi | we would not like to use that, but actually drop. | 22:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and what do you mean "there are no such things as"...you had access to exactly that (sdks for each pr1.x) working ewwith nokia | 22:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and what's available right now is a trimmed down PR1.0 SDK | 22:47 |
| djszapi | "AppsForMeego:Apps" -> makes no sense | 22:47 |
| djszapi | ahhh I do not enumerate | 22:48 |
| djszapi | all the "categories" you mentioned make no sense to me, sorry :) | 22:48 |
| djszapi | first of all: Apps4Meego is already apps | 22:48 |
| djszapi | second: we do not have support | 22:48 |
| djszapi | third, we do not need Community marker since it is all about community already. That is pretty implied in Community OBS. | 22:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, you're already talking about totally restructuring OBS so i thought i'd include that in the list | 22:48 |
| djszapi | never said that.... | 22:49 |
| djszapi | I do not even touch pure "OBS". | 22:49 |
| djszapi | it is all about Community OBS. | 22:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then i guess you haven't thought about how central the MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan repo is then | 22:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (in the context of obs) | 22:49 |
| djszapi | The MeeGo target has been the part of the C-OBS from day first. | 22:50 |
| djszapi | Harmattan is a subproject in MeeGo, so ... | 22:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and? | 22:51 |
| djszapi | you mix up obs and c-obs all the time | 22:51 |
| djszapi | I am not sure you understand the difference between them. | 22:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, i've been talking about community obs all the time | 22:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the meego obs is irrelevant and afaik it has nothing to do with harmattan | 22:52 |
| djszapi | if you have that in mind, please write so. | 22:52 |
| djszapi | quite confusing reading otherwise. | 22:52 |
| djszapi | huh ? | 22:52 |
| djszapi | Harmattan /is/ the part of the MeeGo target. | 22:52 |
| djszapi | it has quite a lot to do with it.... | 22:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | OBS = a piece of software from opensuse, C-OBS = what we're talking about, M-OBS = has nothing to do with harmattan | 22:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | since the latter is used for building meego rpm packages, and harmattan isn't meego | 22:53 |
| djszapi | I think you are confused | 22:53 |
| djszapi | even inside the same repository, there can be rpm and deb, and that is exactly what many projects does. | 22:54 |
| djszapi | but that is a different story anyway (hijacking) | 22:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://build.meego.com/project/list_public < nothing about harmattan there | 22:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | build.meego.com (m-obs) is for compiling real meego only | 22:55 |
| djszapi | this is not the community OBS ... | 22:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | right, but it's the OBS you keep thinking i'm talking about | 22:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | even though it makes no sense | 22:55 |
| djszapi | Use damn c-obs, if that is in your mind | 22:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | only build.pub.meego.com (C-OBS) is interesting from a harmatyan pov | 22:55 |
| * djszapi does not really understand why m-obs was confused in | 22:56 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: "djszapi | I do not even touch pure "OBS"." | 22:56 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | i was talking about the only OBS anyone here cares about, and you started bringing up M-OBS | 22:57 |
| djszapi | no, I did not | 22:57 |
| djszapi | please do not misterpret me. | 22:57 |
| Venemo_N950 | hey :) | 22:57 |
| djszapi | hello Venemo_N950 :) | 22:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | please don't play word games with me | 22:57 |
| djszapi | Venemo_N950: the bug vanished :) | 22:57 |
| Venemo_N950 | hey djszapi :) | 22:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | way too often, when you claim other people are wrong, it's that you're missing the context | 22:58 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: you are the only one who cannot write c-obs here. | 22:58 |
| djszapi | seriously, you are the first one I experience it | 22:58 |
| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, I'm so happy to hear that :) | 22:58 |
| djszapi | and this is quite noisy to read that, if everybody else uses c-obs | 22:58 |
| djszapi | so please just play nice with the rest. | 22:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because i like to be brief in the expectation that people will fill in the blanks | 22:58 |
| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, I was afraid you could somehow still trigger it! | 22:58 |
| Venemo_N950 | :P | 22:58 |
| djszapi | :) | 22:59 |
| djszapi | Venemo_N950: even the completion works fine, so great work :) | 22:59 |
| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, you know what the solution was? | 22:59 |
| djszapi | is it now a workaround or real fix ? | 22:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyhow... | 22:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, i couldn't trigger it either | 22:59 |
| Venemo_N950 | workaround. I turned off predictive input on the read-only text area. lol? | 23:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 23:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, that isn't the workaround, right? | 23:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | predictive input is still on in the chat entry area, right | 23:00 |
| djszapi | Venemo_N950: do you still have the test code for showing up the issue ? | 23:01 |
| Venemo_N950 | I made a simple test case as djszapi suggested, and it turned out that the TextArea becomes buggy in RichText mode if predictive input is on. | 23:01 |
| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, yes I do. | 23:01 |
| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, I can upload it somewhere if you're interested. | 23:02 |
| djszapi | Venemo_N950: can you reproduce it with plain qml ? | 23:02 |
| djszapi | or with MTF ? | 23:02 |
| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, I'm not competent to test mtf, but I can say that the bug is not present if I replace the TextArea with a simple TextEdit. | 23:03 |
| Venemo_N950 | anyway, there's still some refactoring to do | 23:04 |
| djszapi | It basically works with MTF as far as I see from platform applications. | 23:04 |
| Venemo_N950 | but from this day, I consider IRC Chatter a decent app. | 23:05 |
| djszapi | so why is it green when orange is selected for the side color then ? :P | 23:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Venemo_N950: eh, it feels pretty beta | 23:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it's a really good start | 23:06 |
| Venemo_N950 | try changing the setting again. probably some leftover. | 23:06 |
| Venemo_N950 | itsnotabigtruck, join its channel and tell me more about the bugs you find :) | 23:07 |
| Venemo_N950 | of course, I don't say it's perfect. but it's a lot better than it was a month ago | 23:08 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Venemo_N950: well, a lot of it is things like error checking, or making the connection management feel right | 23:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i tried to connect over 3g and it failed because i guess my ip was blocked (freenode blocks a lot of wireless networks) | 23:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and it just ended up spinning forever, and displaying some error messages as popup notifications that i couldn't read | 23:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's things like that | 23:10 |
| djszapi | Venemo_N950: tried, but it does not appear according to the right color. | 23:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | making sure it can never end up going into an undefined state | 23:10 |
| Venemo_N950 | true. | 23:11 |
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| Venemo_N950 | I plan on eliminating that connecting, please wait screen alltogether | 23:11 |
| Venemo_N950 | and responding to socket errors. that's important | 23:11 |
| Venemo_N950 | itsnotabigtruck, not sure if you tested that, but it handles eg. connectivity loss pretty nicely now. | 23:12 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | hey blueslee | 23:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | did you get your phone sorted out | 23:15 |
| blueslee | itsnotabigtruck: hehe ... i have one issue with gallery app as it does not show me photos made before pr 1.2, only new ones. can i force it with tracker? | 23:16 |
| blueslee | itsnotabigtruck: i want to switch to the open mode but i have my doubts that nokia will also break that one with pr 1.3 ... | 23:17 |
| blueslee | itsnotabigtruck: the issue exists also for other apps showing graphical content, like lpmcustomize | 23:18 |
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| blueslee | jonni: rainisto? | 23:21 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | blueslee: so you managed to get out of open mode? | 23:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | since open mode is semi official i doubt it'll go away in pr1.3 | 23:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's not like it was put in by accident | 23:23 |
| blueslee | itsnotabigtruck: i never used the open mode ... | 23:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | blueslee: i thought you accidentally got stuck in open mode | 23:25 |
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| blueslee | itsnotabigtruck: i got stuck after flashing the rescue image with pr 1.2 | 23:31 |
| Venemo_N950_ | anyway, good night guys :) | 23:32 |
| Venemo_N950_ | have a nice evening | 23:32 |
| blueslee | itsnotabigtruck: is the recue kernel the same one as the one from open mode, only temporarly flashed? | 23:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | later Venemo_N950_ ! | 23:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | blueslee: did you get back out? | 23:32 |
| blueslee | Venemo_N950_: gn8 | 23:32 |
| blueslee | itsnotabigtruck: no, i did not ... i have to reflash pr 1.2 | 23:33 |
| djszapi | Venemo_N950_: good evening to you, too ;) | 23:33 |
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| Venemo_N950_ | itsnotabigtruck, if you feel like, I'd welcome your opinions. I'd like to make a decent app out of IRC Chatter. | 23:33 |
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| Venemo_N950_ | itsnotabigtruck, perhaps we can talk about it tomorrow | 23:33 |
| blueslee | Venemo_N950_: i use irc chatter on the n9, good one! | 23:34 |
| Venemo_N950_ | blueslee, thanks! :) have you tried the latest version? | 23:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Venemo_N950_: well, i'd already call it "decent" :) | 23:34 |
| Venemo_N950_ | djszapiN9, and thanks for all the time you put into testing it! | 23:34 |
| blueslee | Venemo_N950_: i downloaded the one from my-meego.com | 23:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's not that bad at all and you're working hard to make it top notch | 23:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | *not bad at all | 23:35 |
| blueslee | Venemo_N950_: the zip containing a library file | 23:35 |
| Venemo_N950_ | itsnotabigtruck, it's missing some more details, but thanks :) | 23:35 |
| Venemo_N950_ | blueslee, that's _very_ old | 23:35 |
| blueslee | Venemo_N950_: but its the best irc app out there | 23:35 |
| Venemo_N950_ | thx :) | 23:35 |
| Venemo_N950_ | get the newest from http://j.mp/ACGpBp | 23:36 |
| Venemo_N950_ | I'd welcome your opinion on it too | 23:36 |
| blueslee | Venemo_N950_: thank you ... no additional lib needed? | 23:36 |
| Venemo_N950_ | blueslee, nope. | 23:37 |
| ieatlint | huh... the qt-mobility 1.2 docs now list nfc apis as fully completed for harmattan, but the connectivity module docs still warn that they're not | 23:37 |
| blueslee | Venemo_N950_: okay, i will test it and give you feedback on irc | 23:37 |
| Venemo_N950_ | blueslee, the lib is embedded into the app. at least those parts that I use | 23:37 |
| * ieatlint wonders which is correct | 23:37 | |
| Venemo_N950_ | blueslee, thanks :) | 23:37 |
| Venemo_N950_ | blueslee, it was a hassle for everyone to install the separate lib, and it was a hassle to package it. thus the decision. | 23:38 |
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| Venemo_N950 | :) | 23:38 |
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| blueslee | Venemo_N950: the only thing i miss is to connect to several servers in parallel | 23:39 |
| Venemo_N950 | blueslee, the new version can do that! | 23:39 |
| Venemo_N950 | and it also fixes | 23:40 |
| Venemo_N950 | and it also fixes most of the usability things | 23:40 |
| blueslee | cool ... | 23:41 |
| Venemo_N950 | there are still a few glitches in it, but it's a lot better :) | 23:41 |
| blueslee | i was happy with the old one | 23:44 |
| Venemo_N950 | and you don't like the new one? | 23:44 |
| blueslee | i will check it out in some minutes | 23:45 |
| Venemo_N950 | :) | 23:46 |
| Venemo_N950 | djszapiN9, I'm so relieved that I could fix your bug. it had been haunting me for half a year. | 23:48 |
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| blueslee | ready to test | 23:49 |
| Venemo_N950 | itsnotabigtruck, what I want is a new channel switcher. the current one is a bit hard to glance when you have many channels open | 23:50 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Venemo_N950: but it looks cool! it's one of the cooler looking parts of the app | 23:50 |
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| blueslee | Venemo_N950: looks very good, using more than one server also works well | 23:57 |
| Venemo_N950 | itsnotabigtruck, thanks :) | 23:57 |
| Venemo_N950 | blueslee, thanks :) | 23:57 |
| blueslee_ | do you plan to upload it to ovi store? | 23:58 |
| Venemo_N950 | blueslee_, yes! after most of the bugs get fixed. | 23:58 |
| blueslee_ | okay, many thanks for this update | 23:59 |
| Venemo_N950 | :) | 23:59 |
| Venemo_N950 | I'm happy you find it useful | 23:59 |
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