IRC log of #harmattan for Friday, 2012-03-02

jonniafaik qt mobolity video player only uses sw to decode, and webkit passes the decoding to dsp native player.00:00
itsnotabigtruckjonni: are you sure about that?00:01
itsnotabigtrucki'd be surprised if the qt mobility api didn't use gstreamer and all the dsp stuff put underneath that00:02
jonniitsnotabigtruck: not 100% sure, but if I remember right gstreamer (and vlc) is not able to use DSP, only the native player uses dsp.00:02
jonnibut I migt remember totally wrong, havent followed that thread lately00:03
itsnotabigtruckjonni: hmm...i thought there's a whole bunch of OMAP DSP plugins shipped with the n9's gstreamer00:03
itsnotabigtruckvlc has its own decoder, it doesn't use gstreamer00:04
itsnotabigtruckso i'm not surprised with that00:04
itsnotabigtruckmaybe qt mobility has to ask gstreamer to use the right plugins00:05
jonniitsnotabigtruck: forexample according to this gstreamer does not have access to DSP
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jonnithat would explay why native is able to play 720p and qt mobility isnt00:09
jonniexplain even00:09
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itsnotabigtruck(apologies for the screwy "screenshot" - that didn't come out the way i'd hoped)00:12
itsnotabigtrucktehdely jpwhiting < when you guys get back online00:14
jpwhitingI'm here00:15
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itsnotabigtruckit's a shame appsformeego isn't prettier, e.g. it reads the description from the .deb but screws up the formatting00:16
itsnotabigtruckhm, it looks like the repository hasn't actually updated yet, so you can't download from there00:17
itsnotabigtruckwhoops, there it is00:18
itsnotabigtrucki forgot my package was architecture-independent00:18
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danielcbitHi Everybody. Does any one know how to remove all user files created by an app when the app is uninstalled?00:19
beforditsnotabigtruck, I dont have anything I care in my phone but if I use --erase-user-data it will a lot of time, right?00:21
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danielcbitI want to delete created user databases also, when the app is removed00:29
danielcbitAny easy way to do that?00:29
gabriel9so, does anyone wish to try video calls with me?00:36
gabriel9i'm not ugly00:36
gabriel9and i know eng00:36
gabriel9just to see how it is working, i'm planing to write article about MeeGo, N9 and Harmattan00:37
gabriel9and i promise i will not use your email adr for any bad stuff00:38
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ieatlintyou managed to convince me against saying yes00:39
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gabriel9no one00:45
faenilgabriel9: I'm coding00:46
faenilbut I can put the n950 on the desk00:46
faeniland let you try it00:46
gabriel9we can do that00:47
gabriel9i'm coding also :)00:47
faeniljust back from volley training00:47
faenilso I haven't read anything00:47
faenilwhat is it about?00:47
gabriel9i wish to try google video calls00:48
gabriel9and non of my friends have video call feature00:48
faenilI have a clean 1.200:48
pawky|2anybody having problems downloading new maps with 1.2?00:54
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pawky|2even though I have wireless on and working, it tells me i should use wireless and the download button is greyed out :-(00:54
gabriel9no problems here00:54
itsnotabigtruckdammit, just missed beford00:55
pawky|2gabriel9: does it say anything about using wireless, and the button is clickable?00:56
gabriel9pawky|2 i just downlad map00:56
gabriel9any of that00:56
itsnotabigtruckfor the record, the answer is that if you don't have data you need to get rid of --erase-user-data is a waste of time00:56
itsnotabigtruckjust flash the main/emmc and you're done00:56
jonnipawky|2: most likely you just need to restart maps, it complains about wifi if you start it with 2/3g or if it doesnt detect wifi to be on internet00:57
pawky|2jonni: my saviour... will try....00:57
jonni--erase-user-data=secure is only usefull for nuking forgotten security code and if you happen to have screwed up cal area, but for most of the end users its not needed.01:00
tehdelyitsnotabigtruck: can i install it using the appsformeego client on the phone01:02
tehdelywill it be the right version01:02
tehdelyre: ad-hac01:02
tehdelyi enabled 'review' mode01:02
pawky|2jonni: weird.. didn't like to reboot while having the charger connected... never got past the 'ploink a ploink ploink' sound...01:02
pawky|2jonni: nope... started with wifi working... stilll cannot download :-(01:04
itsnotabigtruckjonni: --erase-user-data can fix the CAL?01:04
tehdelyitsnotabigtruck: using the client I get01:05
tehdely"Can't install.  Installation package not found"01:05
tehdelyi'll try installing the deb by hand but that is kind of a bummer01:05
itsnotabigtrucktehdely: ...strange01:05
itsnotabigtrucki haven't actually tested installing from a4m01:05
itsnotabigtruckjust installing the package directly01:05
tehdelyok i will just wget and dpkg -i01:06
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pawky|2while at it... is there any vpnc client anywhere to be downloaded (command line is fine)01:06
tehdelydidn't install.  i think a4m angered things01:07
itsnotabigtrucktehdely: what was the error?01:08
itsnotabigtruckthrow it on or https://crypty.ch01:08
tehdelyoh it was just complaininag bout the dpkg lock-file still being present01:08
tehdelya4m installer obv. has some bugs :)01:08
itsnotabigtruckoh ok01:08
pawky|2jonni: Ahhh... how stupid of me... forgot I set the online option to offline in maps.... and that won't cut it ofcourse ;-)01:08
tehdelyinstalled now01:08
itsnotabigtruckthat's not an apps for meego problem, it's a problem with package-manager01:08
tehdelypray tell, how does this work01:08
itsnotabigtruck(backend to apps gui)01:08
tehdely  <policy creds="">01:08
tehdely    <deny send_destination="" />01:08
tehdely  </policy>01:08
tehdelyi'm very curious01:08
itsnotabigtrucktehdely: hehe01:08
tehdelyi work with linux all day but not with dbus01:08
tehdelyso i have no idea what that does but whatever it is, good on ya01:09
itsnotabigtruckwl1271-cal is the wlan regulatory utility01:09
tehdelycool i can launch Wi-Fi Hotspot now01:09
itsnotabigtruckwhen you start the phone it attempts to check what "mobile country code" your cell phone network tells it01:09
tehdelyi'll test again after reboot01:09
itsnotabigtruckif that MCC is the US it turns ad-hoc off01:10
tehdelyi guess that also means it can't associate with ad-hoc networks01:10
tehdelywhat is it about ad-hoc that emits more radiation?01:10
itsnotabigtruckwhat that little snippet does is cut off communication between the cellular services daemon, and the calibration tool01:10
itsnotabigtruckso it can't tell where you are, so it just uses generic settings01:10
itsnotabigtruckwhich turn on ad-hoc01:10
tehdelyah, brilliant01:10
itsnotabigtruck(for that same reason - ad-hoc is turned on if you have your phone off the cell network when you boot it)01:11
guardianshould i use -mfloat-abi=soft-fp when building for harmattan?01:11
itsnotabigtrucknow that everyone knows how it works let's hope it doesn't get "fixed" in 1.3 :)01:11
jonniguardian: nope, you cannot, harmattan uses hardfp01:11
faenilhas anyone used qt-qnx here?01:12
tehdelyok afk01:12
guardianalright thx jonni01:12
jonni -mfloat-abi=hard01:13
guardiani'm going my way adapting an autotools build01:13
guardiansome neon code is built inside a libtool convenience lib01:13
guardianfor now i'm just passing -mfpu=neon so that i can use neon intrinsics01:13
guardiananything else i should pass?01:13
jonni-mtune=cortex-a8   can use usefull for you too01:14
guardiandoesn't the toolchain somehow do that for me?01:15
pawky|2jonni: you who know it all... do you think I could get vpnc from the N900 repository to work on th N9? (command line)01:15
itsnotabigtruckuse -march=cortex-a801:15
itsnotabigtrucknot -mtune01:15
itsnotabigtruckmarch = optimizes for a particular cpu, and enables all that cpu's features01:16
itsnotabigtruckmtune = optimizes for a particular cpu, but doesn't enable the features01:16
itsnotabigtruckyou use mtune if you want to optimize for new cpus but be compatible with old cpus01:16
itsnotabigtruckbut since we know exactly what cpu is going to be used, march is the way to go01:16
guardianso my question applies i guess. if you know exactly what cpu is going to be used, couldn't the sbox target provide that as defaults?01:17
itsnotabigtruckit might already...i forget exactly how to get gcc to cough up its defaults01:17
itsnotabigtruckbut do that and you can find out01:18
jonniI though that the harmattan toolchain was too old to regognize -match=cortex-a8" but if it does, then yes thats the way to go01:18
jonnidont mind my typo01:18
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jonniheh sbox target compiles for armv5 by default, so its not giving right defaults, unless it has been fixed at some point01:19
jonniyear ago I used following flags for my pet project -O3 -march=armv7-a -mtune=cortex-a8 -mfpu=neon, but that was year ago, and sb might have better defaults.01:23
guardianbad value (cortex-a8) for -march= switch01:23
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jonniyep toolchain doesnt regognize it, so you might want to use -march=armv7-a -mtune=cortex-a8 -mfpu=neon01:24
guardianyeah that's what i was going to ask01:24
guardianthx for the help01:25
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jonnipawky|2: there is already vpnc for n9... just cant remember the forum post right out of the hand...01:27
jonniI have no idea if n900 repo sources compile.01:28
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jonnior my memory might just give me tricks, I'01:29
jonnill search for it when I have free time again next week....01:29
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itsnotabigtruckthat's very strange01:35
itsnotabigtruckso it accepts cortex-a8 for mtune but not march?01:35
itsnotabigtruckweird, i'd expect it to be neither or both01:35
itsnotabigtruckit would be cool to get clang working for harmattan01:36
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pawky|2jonni: its not openvpn you are thinking of?01:42
* itsnotabigtruck can't wait for the PR1.2 SDK DVD01:46
itsnotabigtruckhopefully there won't be missing files this time01:46
itsnotabigtrucknot stuff that was deliberately left out, on the previous release there was stuff that obviously should have been there but wasn't01:47
itsnotabigtrucklike the harmattan patches for SSH01:47
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pawky|2i have a bit of an odd question for you all N9 users... when I got my first N9 there was a video showing how they made the N9... but all my replacement N9, never came with it, which I find a bit odd.. do you have the the video on yours? :-)01:48
itsnotabigtruckpawky|2: did your N9 come with any preloaded content at all?01:49
pawky|2yes :-)01:49
pawky|2one video with surround sound... one showing how to print characters, and a few bad songs...01:50
itsnotabigtruckyeah, i've got 2 videos01:50
itsnotabigtruckone of them is the typography video01:50
itsnotabigtruckthey must have taken it out in the PR1.2 or PR1.1 content emmc01:51
pawky|2aha.. but not the one showing how they make the N9 right?01:51
itsnotabigtruckyou could downgrade your emmc to PR1.0 if you really want it01:51
itsnotabigtruckor you could dump that emmc and extract the video01:51
pawky|2LOL... nah...01:51
pawky|2i was just curious if they took it away on all the N9's... I believe my first one was amongst the first ones.01:51
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pawky|2jonni: would you ever figure out that vpnc download site, don't hesitate to send me the link... :-)01:54
itsnotabigtruckwow, that typography video is actually really cool01:54
* itsnotabigtruck is a font fascist01:55
pawky|2aha.. and as far as I remembered it... the one showing how they make the N9 was cool as well..01:55
itsnotabigtrucki want to see this too, so let's see if i can perform an extraction01:56
itsnotabigtruckhm, nokia's download server isn't much of a speed demon right now01:57
pawky|2if you extract it.. give me a link :-)01:58
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pawky|2by the way... I read one could do some simple video editing in PR1.2... haven't found out how... did they take this feature away in the final release?02:00
itsnotabigtrucki heard about that too...maybe you just need to look harder?02:05
itsnotabigtrucki haven't actually tried it02:05
itsnotabigtruckbut there's a bunch of stuff in the release for it and i think they were trumpeting it on their blogs02:06
itsnotabigtrucknon-destructive editing02:06
itsnotabigtruckwell, that was for photos actually02:06
pawky|2hmm.. buy that one could do already in the PR1.102:06
itsnotabigtruckok, i downloaded the worldwide generic PR1.0 emmc02:08
itsnotabigtruckit has the same familiar two vids inside02:08
itsnotabigtruckwhat product code is your n902:08
itsnotabigtruckwell, was the N9 that you sent in02:08
Jarepawky|2: go to gallery, choose a video clip and edit it02:09
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pawky|2Jare: like video clips would be in the gallery?02:10
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pawky|2Jare: only pictures in the gallery on my N9..02:11
pawky|2itsnotabigtruck: looking in an old dmesg output file....02:12
itsnotabigtruckpawky|2: i'm not sure that would actually contain the product code02:13
pawky|2you mean that 059L6J7 or similar?02:14
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Jarethe videos you've shot with the N9 are in the gallery02:14
pawky|2itsnotabigtruck: 059L7N602:15
itsnotabigtruck059L7N6: N9 RM-696 Country Variant Sweden SE Black 64GB_COLOR02:15
pawky|2yeah.. that one..02:15
itsnotabigtruckjesus...1.5gb download02:16
itsnotabigtruckbecause of all the maps02:16
itsnotabigtruckyou do this :p
JareI suppose you could edit other videos too, if the format supported and you move them to DCIM folder..02:16
itsnotabigtruckpawky|2: install flasher 3.5 (not 3.12.1, though they can co-exist)02:17
itsnotabigtruckmake a directory called emmcdump or some such02:17
itsnotabigtruckflasher -uemmcdump -F foo.bin02:17
itsnotabigtruckthat will put a file named mmc in the directory02:17
itsnotabigtruckget that onto a linux system and loop mount it as vfat02:17
pawky|2Jare: you are right... cool :-)02:19
pawky|2itsnotabigtruck: duh... no flashing for me for a long time to come... have burned two phones that way..02:19
itsnotabigtruckpawky|2: no need to flash, you use the flasher to un-fiasco it02:20
pawky|2itsnotabigtruck: well.. actually only one.. the first one was broken from factory..02:20
pawky|2itsnotabigtruck: ahh..02:20
itsnotabigtruckno need to connect the phone, in fact don't connect the phone in case you typo it or something02:20
pawky|2itsnotabigtruck: yeah..02:21
itsnotabigtruckwhat happened to the 2nd phone?02:21
pawky|2itsnotabigtruck: I was experimenting with trying to throw aegis out..02:21
itsnotabigtruckalso flasher 3.5 installs to c:\program files (x86)\maemo\flasher-3.5\flasher-3.5.exe02:21
itsnotabigtruckor something along those lines02:21
itsnotabigtruckpawky|2: heh02:22
pawky|2in the end,  the phone thought it had a newer version of the firmware than was upon the phone.. so I could never reflash..02:22
itsnotabigtruckyou couldn't just flash the firmware it thought it already head?02:22
pawky|2itsnotabigtruck: well.. using that openmode version, you still have aegis doing stuff...02:22
pawky|2itsnotabigtruck: nope.. i sent it in to Nokia.. who sent it to Romania (as usual)... who gave up and sent me a new phone...02:23
itsnotabigtruckthat's also weird, i thought nokia stores usually have dongles that allow using phoenix to downgrade phones02:23
itsnotabigtruckso they could just downgrade it from whatever it thought it had to pr1.whatever02:24
pawky|2obviously not... :-(   or.... :-)02:24
pawky|2neither the official repair store could fix it, nor Romania..02:24
pawky|2... or was it hungary...02:25
itsnotabigtruckit's all kind of irrelevant to me since nokia doesn't even have repair shops in north america02:25
pawky|2they should have..02:25
itsnotabigtruckand i might or might not have a warranty in the first place02:26
pawky|2well.. nokia wont complain if you accidentally cannot reflash your unit, even if you have flashed it before...02:26
pawky|2they probably don't have to help you.... but they righteously see things through their fingers i presume..02:27
pawky|2again.. the best thing would be to not break it in the first place.. ;-)02:27
pawky|2so.. beware of aegis...02:28
itsnotabigtruckwell, beware of messing with SW certificates02:28
itsnotabigtruckthat's dangerous stuff yo :p02:28
pawky|2found a backlog? :-)02:29
pawky|2I think it all started with wanting to mount stuff... then I also looked into certificates..02:29
itsnotabigtrucknah, haven't looked02:29
pawky|2should be somewhere... in november/december02:30
pawky|2I nearly cracked it...02:30
pawky|2Believe I accidentally flashed some certificate that f..ed it all up...02:31
pawky|2had one to many  firmwares laying around...02:32
pawky|2well.. time to sleep...02:34
itsnotabigtruckpawky|2: see pm02:36
itsnotabigtruckoh, nm then02:36
pawky|2itsnotabigtruck: still here..02:36
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: Could you verify one little thing for me?02:38
pawky|2DrGrov: ohh... sorry..02:39
DrGrovpawky|2: Huh?02:39
pawky|2DrGrov: never mind, thought you asked me...02:41
itsnotabigtruckpawky|2: private message02:41
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: yeah02:41
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: You are on PR 1.2 with a N9 yes?02:41
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: Good. How long does it take for the device to power off?02:41
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: not long at all02:42
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: Talking 5-10 seconds approximately?02:42
itsnotabigtrucka couple seconds, and then it takes a while longer to actually power off after the screen blanks02:42
DrGrovSo the light is lit when you are powering it off and it stays lit for a few seconds longer?02:42
itsnotabigtruckyeah, if i remember correctly02:42
DrGrovI wonder if I might have some unusual odd behavior... I powered it off, took a few seconds to get the Nokia screen, it blanks off and then the lit is lit for about 5 seconds. Perhaps even 6-7 seconds.02:43
DrGrovI wonder, feels like it is actually slower to power off in PR 1.2 than in PR 1.1. Could the feeling of delay be because of heavy usage?02:44
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: Have you tried to plug in the charger after you switched off? Did it give you the power on state and it went through all the way to actually powering it on, asking PIN ?02:45
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: i think i've done it once or twice02:46
itsnotabigtruckit's heavily timing dependent02:46
itsnotabigtruckremember, attaching to usb boots it into act-dead mode02:46
itsnotabigtruckso if the phone is already changing modes02:46
itsnotabigtruckwhat mode it ends up in depends on exactly when you plugged it in02:46
DrGrovSo a delay before I start charging will make it go into act-dead mode for only charging?02:47
DrGrovPerhaps I plugged in the damn thing too fast LOL02:47
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: Will the delay actually help to make it only charge?02:51
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DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: Or do I need to monitor something else in this fucked up process to get the bloody phone only charging?02:51
DrGrovI am losing patience with this charging bullshit02:52
itsnotabigtruckplug it into usb, then "power it off"02:52
itsnotabigtruckor power it off completely, wait, then plug it into usb02:52
DrGrovOk, will ex. 5 minutes be enough?02:52
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DrGrov*for example 5 minutes02:53
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: Thanks for the help, I am off to get some sleep.02:54
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: 5 mins? no, like 10 seconds02:54
itsnotabigtruckjust wait for the light to be off02:54
itsnotabigtruckor plug it in while it's already powered on instead02:54
itsnotabigtruckthat will transition it directly from on to act dead mode02:55
itsnotabigtruckinstead of on -> off -> act dead02:55
DrGrovWell, I waited 10 seconds after I powered it off and the bloody thing powered on all the way until it asked for the PIN code02:55
DrGrovThat is when I powered it off and tried putting the charging cable02:56
DrGrovNevermind, I wait 10 minutes to be on the safe side and plug the fucking charger in sideways and hope the bastard phone reacts like it should02:56
DrGrovOr I throw it out from the window, fuck it02:56
* DrGrov needs his nicotine to calm down02:57
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: Thanks for the help though :)02:57
DrGrovI gotta get a grip of myself, this snusing and smoking is making me insane02:58
DrGrovI used 6 cans in 4 days of Swedish snus. It is insanely much. Usually goes about 1 can per 2 days but no, now it goes at least 1 can / day.02:58
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: Laters, take care03:00
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ieatlintis there a way to detect if a headset is plugged in?03:48
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itsnotabigtruckman, i totally should have bought an N810 when was selling those cheap04:15
itsnotabigtruckor were they N800s04:15
befordi have one04:15
itsnotabigtruckieatlint: i'm sure there is, the question is how,a nd whether aegis blocks it04:16
itsnotabigtruckbeford: well, i'm sure lots of people do :p04:16
itsnotabigtruckon the other hand i probably wouldn't have had much use for one back then04:17
itsnotabigtruckif i was in college 5 years ago maemo tablets probably would have been the stuff04:17
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befordis it 5 years old? time passes fast xD04:19
itsnotabigtruckn810's getting close to it04:20
itsnotabigtruckand the 770 is a bit over 6 years old04:21
ieatlintitsnotabigtruck: yeah, i'll look into, was just seeing if someone knew so i could shortcut to the solution :)04:22
itsnotabigtrucklooks like the n810 wimax goes for about $125 these days04:24
itsnotabigtruckinteresting, apparently the n810 wimax is locked to the now-nonexistant xohm04:25
itsnotabigtruckit can't be used with clear, which succeeded it04:25
itsnotabigtruckactually it's not, looks like some people just couldn't figure out how to make it connect04:25
itsnotabigtruckthe problem with clear's wimax service is that it's at least as expensive as a cell phone add-on data plan04:28
itsnotabigtruckand everybody has a cell phone these days, and most of the people who'd think about signing up for wimax have smartphones too04:30
SpeedEvilWill depend on who has the unlimited plan with the biggest quota.04:43
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itsnotabigtruckSpeedEvil: but it's not about the size of your quota, it's how you use it :p04:46
itsnotabigtruckif the ovi store featured list is country-by-country, i wonder how much my ovi store downloads influence it04:50
itsnotabigtruckeh, there has to be at least 4 digit numbers of N9s in the us, that would still make it very small04:51
itsnotabigtruckmaaaaybe 5 digit04:51
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itsnotabigtruckare extraordinary measures required to get screenshots/icons to update on appsformeego?05:42
itsnotabigtruckthe 2 screenshots i added appeared, but the icon and 1st screenshot, which i modified, didn't05:43
itsnotabigtruckbtw SpeedEvil: you're based in the US, right? you might find ^ useful05:43
itsnotabigtruckdirect link:
itsnotabigtruckah, not sure why i thought that then05:44
* SpeedEvil checks GPS.05:44
SpeedEvilyep, UK.05:44
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itsnotabigtrucklol, the time is probably one reason i thought that - damn, it's 4am UTC06:03
SpeedEvilSleep cycle is broken06:17
* bindi coughs06:20
bindi6 AM local time here06:20
ieatlintdaylight sucks anyway06:22
itsnotabigtrucki'm hoping bumping the version of my app will cause appsformeego to come to its senses and refresh everything06:24
itsnotabigtruckthat "screenshot" i submitted being stretched horribly is keeping me from posting it :p06:24
ieatlintthe icon for that ad-hac is a bit tacky :P06:25
itsnotabigtruckieatlint: on appsformeego, or once installed06:26
itsnotabigtruckin the package manager, it shows up as that nokia wifi icon that's in the middle06:26
itsnotabigtruckthe icon on appsformeego should, i hope, change soon06:26
ieatlintyeah, ok06:26
ieatlintthe one on the website is what i saw06:26
ieatlintand i oddly don't want an american flag icon on my phone :P06:27
itsnotabigtruckit just changed06:27
itsnotabigtruckbut that icon again is only for the website, on the device it's the wifi icon (squircle in the middle with the waves)06:27
itsnotabigtruckand it installs no desktop icon at all06:28
ieatlintah, ok06:28
itsnotabigtruckin fact, i screenshotted the uninstall screen (ss #3)06:29
ieatlintyeah, fine and generic06:30
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befordy u are always online itsnotabigtruck07:02
itsnotabigtruckbeford: lol07:15
itsnotabigtruckbecause i spend way too much time on irc, and i'm in college07:16
itsnotabigtruckalso i thought i didn't have much work to do today, except boom, surprise homework07:16
itsnotabigtruckso i need to finish that up now :(07:16
itsnotabigtruck^ zigbee wardriving system for N907:16
befordoh, I saw that on hackaday, didn't recognize the n907:20
ieatlinthaha, zigbee wardriving?07:21
ieatlintthat's awesome07:21
tehdelytwitter client stopped working today07:29
tehdelyit just says "No tweets"07:30
tehdelyi deleted the account, rebooted, readded/reauthorized07:30
tehdelystill No Tweets07:30
tehdelythat's lame07:30
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tehdelywow, lot of this: twitter-meego[2732]: CRITICAL-Error: Not found XDG_CACHE_HOME environment variable07:30
itsnotabigtruckbtw what is up with all the apps named like: org.formeego.apps07:31
itsnotabigtrucki guess the idea is from android+java, but this isn't android, or java :p07:31
itsnotabigtrucktehdely: that's not good :/07:33
itsnotabigtruckalso, anyone who installed lpsmagic 0.4 - make sure to install 0.4.107:33
itsnotabigtruck0.4 broke the alarm clock07:33
tehdelyanyone here using Track & Protect btw07:33
itsnotabigtruckit would be cool to have some sort of antitheft solution that isn't proprietary and $$$07:34
tehdelyi'm more concerned about privacy implications07:34
itsnotabigtruckthough otoh a knowledgeable attacker can just wipe the phone no matter what antitheft software you use07:34
tehdelyand also whether it'll work once i put my phone in open mode07:34
itsnotabigtruckthat's the other thing, yeah07:34
tehdelyi'm going to follow your procedure07:34
itsnotabigtrucki think it'll work in open mode07:34
itsnotabigtruckbut the only thing preventing it from being removed is the device lock code07:35
itsnotabigtruckwhich can be reset07:35
befordwouldn't prey work on the n9?07:36
befordI *believe* there was a n900 port07:36
tehdelyman it would be nice if Nokia Link worked over bluetooth07:36
itsnotabigtruck"meamo"? can't even spell the name of the website s/he's on :p07:38
itsnotabigtruckyay, the red bull is kicking in07:39
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befordlol, me amo07:41
antoniousljMan, this N9 keeps getting better and better07:42
tehdelymine seems to be getting worse07:43
tehdelyi give it a few more days before i reflsah :P07:43
antoniousljYou must have a lemon or something07:43
antoniousljI've had to do a reset occasionally, but not often07:44
antoniousljI came from Android, and this is night and day a much better07:45
antoniouslj UX07:45
antoniousljI've had several Android phones too, even dual cores that would crush the hardware in the N907:46
tehdelyanybody get a lot of these in their log simatk_report_event_notification:460 Building and sending ATK_REPORT_EVENT_NTF -message07:46
antoniousljYet this phone is pure butter and quite a but more capable07:46
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tehdelytwitter client is all sorts of effed up07:52
tehdelyOH WELL07:52
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itsnotabigtruckyay, posted07:58
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itsnotabigtruck(one problem - adblock plus blocks all the entries for my app on n9-apps because "ad-hac" contains "ad" :p)08:09
itsnotabigtruck*images for my08:09
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djszapianybody from Finland ?08:23
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itsnotabigtruckprobably, but not me :p btw, any idea what happens if an SSU conflicts with an already installed package08:26
itsnotabigtruckfor a specific example, if someone installs calendarrr then the pr1.2 update08:27
itsnotabigtruckalso it seems that the appsformeego client is still displaying outdated info for ad-hac :/08:30
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ieatlintwhat is calendarr?08:31
itsnotabigtruckieatlint: my calendar live icon program08:32
itsnotabigtruckpretty sure i relentlessly spammed it here when it was new :D08:32
ieatlintyeah, i installed it on a phone08:33
itsnotabigtruckit doesn't make any sense on PR1.2 because it has the same functionality built-in08:33
ieatlintthought that's what it was08:33
ieatlintbut wasn't sure08:33
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itsnotabigtruckso i put a conflicts line in blocking it from being installed with PR1.2's calendar08:33
ieatlintso all i can say is the phone i installed it on, which is now running 1.2, updated without issue and the calendar icon is still updating08:33
itsnotabigtruckbut i'm not really sure how gracefully package-manager handles that sort of thing08:33
ieatlinti am now wondering if the calendar icon is being updated twice each night though08:33
itsnotabigtruckideally it should either a) get rid of calendarrr, or b) fail the update before it actually starts, so the user can rectify it08:34
itsnotabigtruckieatlint: well, see if calendar-live-icon (calendarrr in the package gui) is still there08:34
itsnotabigtruckit sounds like package manager might have just automatically nuked it08:35
itsnotabigtruckassuming you did the OTA hten08:35
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itsnotabigtruckspeaking of that, should probably be dropped from the ovi store before someone installs it on pr1.208:43
itsnotabigtruckassuming it doesn't have dependencies that block that08:43
ieatlintuh, i'll look in a bit08:43
ieatlintmy phone is beyond reaching distance, and standing is effort08:44
itsnotabigtruckoh, also, ieatlint: install ad-hac!08:48
ieatlintyeah... but phone so far08:48
itsnotabigtruckwait, i already spammed it to you08:48
itsnotabigtruckcarry on :p08:48
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ieatlintwhat part of the US are you in anyway?08:58
gabriel9anyone developed client app for facebook?09:01
ieatlintno, but i have an awesome client for grindr09:01
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gabriel9do i need to register on fb to get some kind of key?09:02
itsnotabigtruckieatlint: ohio? where'd you get that :p09:03
beforditsnotabigtruck, I suppose main.bin file is the one that doesn't say EMMC on its name?09:04
ieatlintjust a guess :P09:05
itsnotabigtruckbeford: precisely09:05
itsnotabigtrucki should probably have mentioned that somewhere in my guide, heh09:05
ieatlintcare to specify, or prefer to keep it quiet? :P09:05
denismhi, does N9 PR1.2 supports automatic time update? Or just Saunalahti/Elisa in Finland have stopped such feature?09:05
itsnotabigtruckdenism: it definitely has automatic time update, but you can turn it on and off09:05
itsnotabigtruckieatlint: illinois now, but i'm from portland09:06
itsnotabigtruckwish i was in portland now09:06
ieatlintah, love portland, yeah09:06
denismitsnotabigtruck: ok thank you, so seems my cellular operator has stopped supports on his side :(09:06
denismperhaps I have to check Ovi Store for an application to sync with internet clocks09:10
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itsnotabigtruckdenism: i think one of the repos has openntpd ported09:11
itsnotabigtruckthat could adversely affect the battery though09:11
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ieatlintfamiliar with ps1?09:15
befordthe playstation or environment variable09:15
beforditsnotabigtruck, flashing mmc now09:16
befordugh it rebooted automagically to set the lang and scared me09:23
itsnotabigtruckbeford: hmm? it should only reboot if you tell it to09:24
itsnotabigtruckif you skipped doing flasher -i though, i've heard it'll automatically reboot shortly after the flash09:24
befordI suppose it read the sim settings and noticed it had to boot in spanish09:25
befordit was starting normally and showing a 'new things in you n9' and then iy rebooted09:25
itsnotabigtruckbtw the default language is set in CAL09:27
itsnotabigtruckand afaik it persists09:27
itsnotabigtruckactually i'm not 100% sure about that09:27
befordI had it on english before flashing09:27
itsnotabigtruckright, but my guess is that the default language is set at the factory and never changes09:28
itsnotabigtruckhowever, i'm not actually sure about that, it might just be part of the image09:28
itsnotabigtruckbut i don't think any of the 00x images are *just* for spanish speaking countries09:29
itsnotabigtruckso that doesn't make any sense09:29
befordno, thats why I think it read it from the simcard09:29
itsnotabigtruckbut it defaults even without a sim card installed09:29
itsnotabigtruckand mine defaults to english (great britain)09:29
itsnotabigtruckbecause that's what's in CAL, presumably09:29
itsnotabigtruckthough i'm surprised it doesn't default to spanish, it's a latin america import09:30
befordmine is from singapore09:30
befordat least it doesnt start in singaporean :D (chinese I suppose xD)09:33
ieatlintitsnotabigtruck: i had to get up to get more beer.. calendarr is still installed09:37
ieatlinti'm uninstalling it now though09:37
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itsnotabigtruckieatlint: hrm09:50
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itsnotabigtruckyou already uninstalled it? i was wondering if apt considered the system broken09:50
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ieatlintno, i got distracted09:53
itsnotabigtruckieatlint: heh09:55
itsnotabigtruckok, don't install it yet then, see what apt thinks09:55
ieatlintnot an apt guy, what should i run for it to sanity check its db?09:58
itsnotabigtruckieatlint: tbh i have no idea09:59
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itsnotabigtruckok, how about just doing09:59
itsnotabigtruckapt-cache show calendar-live-icon09:59
itsnotabigtruckapt-cache show calendar09:59
itsnotabigtruckthings would be a lot easier with aptitude09:59
ieatlintcalendar-live-icon conflicts with calendaricon, calendar-hack10:01
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itsnotabigtruckieatlint: nah, those are dependency entries10:05
itsnotabigtruckthat i put in10:05
itsnotabigtruckbut, what version is calendar10:05
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itsnotabigtruckieatlint: no, calendar itself10:06
itsnotabigtruckok, so that's definitely a conflicting dependency10:07
itsnotabigtruckdo apt-get -s install wget10:07
itsnotabigtruck(or any other package you don't have installed)10:08
itsnotabigtrucksee if apt warns you about broken packages10:08
ieatlintnope, doesn't complain10:09
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itsnotabigtruckieatlint: go back up to the calendar output, does it say Depends: ..., calendar (<< 0.19)10:12
itsnotabigtruckif i try to install calendar-live-icon on an already upgraded phone it correctly blocks the install because of that10:13
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ieatlintno, it seems to say it depends on calendar, but doesn't specify any version dependency10:16
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itsnotabigtruckieatlint: ah10:17 probably installed an early deb i was tossing around here before i added that10:17
itsnotabigtruckbetter get rid of it now10:18
itsnotabigtruckit doesn't cause any harm, just updates the icon twice a day :p10:18
itsnotabigtruckoh yeah, and also the icon will reset to the 21st after uninstalling calendar-live-icon10:18
itsnotabigtruckthen change back next time the nokia thing runs10:18
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ieatlintindeed correct, icon now says 21st10:25
itsnotabigtruckyou can probably run the nokia script directly to fix that10:27
itsnotabigtruckit's somewhere in /usr/bin but i forget what it's called10:27
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itsnotabigtruckshouldn't be hard to find though10:27
itsnotabigtruckprobably has to be run as root10:27
ieatlinteh, i can wait a day10:27
ieatlintyeah, it's the most offensive and best url shortener if you go to the domain10:28
leinirha! brilliant :)10:30
ieatlintyes, we can all thank greece for a meaningful contribution10:31
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itsnotabigtruckso N9 PR1.2 includes libfcam (uber camera control api), but no -dev package to go with it :/10:52
abitsnotabigtruck, file a bug, please10:54
itsnotabigtruckab: does it count as a bug if the same thing applies to basically everything released after 6 months ago :(10:56
itsnotabigtruckthe root problem is that the public sdk is frozen in time10:56
itsnotabigtruckit would be nice to at least get -dev packages for new cool things like this though10:56
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abitsnotabigtruck, yet, file a bug and list packages new to 1.2 missing -dev counterparts11:00
abit would cost you 15 minutes at most but would help those who could help.11:01
leinirBe sure to remind them that the sdk is used to develop apps for other than PR1.0 (which is a requirement for the ovi^wnokia store)11:01
abvery good point11:01
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leinir(a spectacular bit of stupid, caused entirely by ovi's inability to handle multiple versions of harmattan... so i'm told)11:03
itsnotabigtruckab: filing bugs has done nothing11:06
itsnotabigtruckthey fix what they want to fix, everything else is WONTFIXed or sits in ASSIGNED purgatory11:07
abso is whining on the IRC11:07
itsnotabigtrucktbh whining on the irc is probably more likely to get problems noticed than filing bugs on the public tracker11:07
abitsnotabigtruck, that's why I wanted you to file the bug there, thanks for noticing. :)11:07
itsnotabigtruckanyway, might as well...11:08
itsnotabigtruckstand by for bug number11:08
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RST38hmoo, ab11:08
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abmeh, RST38h11:08
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itsnotabigtruckbug #106211:19
_MeeGoBot_Bug nor, ---, ---, ext-lavanya.alamuri, NEW, libfcam-dev (camera control API) not available in Platform SDK11:19
faenilitsnotabigtruck, heh :D11:20
itsnotabigtrucklet's see if i can turn up some statistics about how futile this bug tracker is :D11:21
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itsnotabigtruckout of 1012 "device" bugs, 161 are fixed, 126 are wontfix, 188 are invalid/duplicate/notreproducible11:30
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itsnotabigtruckout of the remaining bugs, 444 are NEW or ASSIGNED11:32
abI've pinged some of Nokia mgmt for the bug 106211:33
_MeeGoBot_Bug nor, ---, ---, ext-lavanya.alamuri, NEW, libfcam-dev (camera control API) not available in Platform SDK11:33
itsnotabigtruckab: great :)11:35
itsnotabigtruckif only bug #715 were to be fixed...but at this point it's probably too much to ask for :/11:36
_MeeGoBot_Bug maj, ---, ---, ext-lavanya.alamuri, NEW, No platform SDK releases since PR1.1 to match on-device packages11:36
itsnotabigtruckonce the SDK DVD is out, it might be a good idea to put together a 3rd party repo with as many PR1.2 SDK packages as possible11:37
itsnotabigtruckthough that doesn't cover any of the closed source things11:37
itsnotabigtruckthe irritating thing is that every one of those -dev packages *exists*, after all, how else would harmattan be built - it just doesn't make it out to developers at all11:38
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itsnotabigtruckand if that whole process doesn't change by PR1.3 then important header files will be forever locked away on some abandoned vcs somewhere11:39
itsnotabigtruckhrm, went down *again*11:40
rigowitsnotabigtruck, who do you contact in nokia to help?11:40
itsnotabigtruckrigow: myself? no one, i don't have personal contacts at nokia11:41
itsnotabigtrucki'm pretty new here in the scheme of things11:41
rigowI have plenty ;)11:41
rigowso just drop me email with your complaints and I'll try to get this to the right people11:41
itsnotabigtruckwell, i think some people at nokia etc. have already tried to get things changed with the sdk, to little effect11:42
itsnotabigtruckthat's why i'm being so pessimistic right now11:42
itsnotabigtruckc.f. all the drama related to signing the repository11:42
itsnotabigtruckand that doesn't even involve releasing anything new11:43
itsnotabigtruckand i get the impression that releasing any sort of dev packages, etc. involves a lot of bureaucracy and no one wants to spend time on things like swlc auditing11:43
rigowI can only try. If others have tried, perhaps I will fail. But is it worth trying? I think yes. I'm really happy with my phone and I want this eco-system to be sustained ...11:44
rigownokia can be _very_ bureaucratic and closed down11:44
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kozziis working for anyone ?11:50
itsnotabigtruckkozzi: nope, it just went down11:51
itsnotabigtruckthey've been having web server trouble for a while11:51
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kozziit's like everyday around this time since PR1.2 release11:58
kozziit gets backup about 4-5 hours later though11:58
itsnotabigtruckkozzi: yeah, there was a thread about it12:00
itsnotabigtruckthe admin said the web server process has been crashing and not restarting12:01
itsnotabigtruckand suggested it was due to monitoring software (ironic :p)12:01
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mcfriskanyone know where to download linux flasher and image for PR1.2? I think my update was screwed, network problems and reboot failures, and update repairs, but there are some font problems and various slowdowns.12:06
itsnotabigtruckmcfrisk: check out my guide12:07
itsnotabigtruckerm, except, tmo is down12:07
itsnotabigtruckdo the "Comprehensive reset" if you don't mind erasing your music/maps/docs/pics - that's the closest thing to starting from scratch12:09
itsnotabigtruckis it just me, or is google cache updating a lot more frequently than it used to...that cached page contains changes i made a few hours ago12:10
mcfriskitsnotabigtruck: thanks, I'm pretty familiar with linux flasher and images, but needed to find them first :)12:10
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kozzione thing google is good at, collecting stuffs12:12
kozziquite boring now that my N9 is at Nokia Care12:13
kozziany other place to go for maemo/meego stuffs ?12:14
kozziother than meego.com12:14
kozzioh yeah, forgot that they also have forum12:15
itsnotabigtruckkozzi: forums, or app directories12:15
itsnotabigtruck is a pretty good listing of apps, though near everything is a link to either tmo or ovi store12:15
kozziI know about that site, what I mean is discussion forums12:16
itsnotabigtruckyeah, TMO and FMC are really the only particularly lively forums12:16
itsnotabigtruckthere's a few symbian sites that tried to expand into meego a little12:17
kozziyeah but none succeeded12:17
itsnotabigtrucklooks like my-meego forum = my-symbian forum12:17
kozzibtw, now that Google talk video can be implemented, any idea if msn video is doable ?12:18
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itsnotabigtruckhas anyone implemented it for telepathy?12:18
itsnotabigtrucke.g. in telepathy-butterfly12:18
itsnotabigtruckif so, probably12:18
kozzinone of my friends use gmail, other than for spams12:19
kozzidon't think so, the current msn support isn't quite there yet12:19
kozzino file transfer, avatar support12:19
itsnotabigtrucki'd strongly recommend moving away from MSN asap, but there you go12:20
itsnotabigtruckget telepathy-butterfly installed and configured, and install the video call enabler from the store12:20
itsnotabigtruckdespite what it says, it enables video call support globally12:20
itsnotabigtruckit's not just for gtalk12:20
itsnotabigtruckone thing that could be problematic - i don't think an accounts plugin exists for telepathy-butterfly12:21
itsnotabigtrucktelepathy-haze (which is what "extraplugins" in the store uses) won't cut it for audio/video12:21
itsnotabigtrucki have no idea if this will actually work, but it sounds like the best bet12:22
itsnotabigtruckremember that MSN is totally unencrypted12:22
itsnotabigtruckhowever, telepathy doesn't support secure rtp, so all voice or video calls are totally unencrypted no matter what you use12:22
kozziso, it all depends on extraplugins maker to decide whether to support it or now ?12:24
itsnotabigtruckkozzi: no, extraplugins is a dead end for that12:24
itsnotabigtruckextraplugins uses telepathy-haze for everything12:24
itsnotabigtruckwhich is a connector between pidgin (libpurple) and telepathy12:24
itsnotabigtruckso it doesn't support anything but the basics12:25
itsnotabigtruckthis is kinda the problem, there's a bunch of ways to connect to an IM service and all of them have downsides12:26
itsnotabigtruckanyway, you can add the butterfly msn account using mc-tool in the shell12:27
kozziyeah, I was wondering what's the different between two method on tmo12:27
itsnotabigtruckit won't integrate into accounts and contacts, only into messaging12:27
kozzihaze and butterfly12:27
kozzinow I got it12:27
itsnotabigtruckright, native telepathy vs pidgin compatibility12:28
itsnotabigtruckobviously the main reason to use telepathy-haze is that it gets you reasonably functional support for everything pidgin can speak, which is a lot12:28
kozziI remember that you said, you were developing a xmpp plugin/addon to be used inplace of the default one12:28
itsnotabigtrucki said i was thinking about it...haven't actually started :(12:29
itsnotabigtruckbut yeah, implementing that should allow xmpp to be used with any server, with video calling and everything12:29
kozzioh, it good that you gave it a though :)12:29
itsnotabigtruckjust like the google talk plugin12:29
kozziit would be awesome12:30
itsnotabigtruckremember that if you ever connect to e.g. a wifi hotspot12:30
itsnotabigtrucksomeone can lift all your confidential messages by firing up wireshark and clicking a few buttons12:30
itsnotabigtruckthat's the problem with wlm/msn12:30
kozziyes, but I think like most people, the choice is whether facebook or MSn12:31
kozziI don't think most ppl really mind that12:31
kozziotg, messaging is done mostly using 3g anyway12:32
itsnotabigtruckthat's kind of the problem...everyone *should* mind that, whether they're speaking about anything actually secret or not12:32
kozziand I just simply dislike facebook12:32
itsnotabigtruckbut vendors don't care about security, and users don't demand security12:33
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kozziwell, I don't really know what's safe anymore12:33
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kozziat the end-user point of view, it's important that it just works :(12:34
itsnotabigtruckthat's the thing, the N9 doesn't support any sort of end to end encryption anyway12:34
itsnotabigtruckand 99% of the time no matter what protocol is used, the messages are passing through the im servers of some major corporation12:34
kozziomg, I'm starting to sound like my cousin, who use iphone12:35
itsnotabigtrucki'm probably a bit paranoid about that the same time, everybody benefits by making security ubiquitous12:36
itsnotabigtruckbut it's not really happening12:36
kozzibig guys, decide the path, not much you can do12:37
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* Arkenoi was trying to find someone to implement p2p encryption, no luck :-(12:53
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RST38hArkenoi: Why not do it yourself, you being a security wizard etc?12:53
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ArkenoiRST38h, no having much time to write code :-(12:54
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fluxit appears the n9 mail agent still isn't suitable for use with my imap provider, because it recursively finds everything from each folder (including maildir contents as separate folders)13:06
itsnotabigtruckArkenoi: for what application?13:06
fluxany suggestions if I can mock around with it with gconftool or ~user/.config? I cannot find the settings there..13:07
fluxif I only could tell it the default folder, it would probably work just fine..13:07
Arkenoiitsnotabigtruck, i was targeting maemo5, so i just wanted to integrate it to telepathy/messaging smoothly. don't know if it is possible with harmattan and aegis.13:07
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itsnotabigtruckyeah, the problem is a) afaik there's no interface in telepathy for end to end security13:08
itsnotabigtruckso you'd be doing that from scratch13:08
itsnotabigtruckand then b) the gui in messaging/call-ui needs to be adjusted to be security aware13:09
petteriotr encryption on N9 would be nice:
itsnotabigtrucke.g. the call screen needs to have go secure/go clear/short authentication string widgets13:09
itsnotabigtruckfor voice encryption13:09
itsnotabigtruckand all of the communication gui stuff is non-oss so that's very lame13:09
itsnotabigtruckaegis isn't the main issue13:09
itsnotabigtruckand yeah, for otr, there has to be go secure/go clear/confirm fingerprint buttons13:10
itsnotabigtruckmaybe some sort of key management gui13:10
itsnotabigtrucki really don't like otr but the alternatives are worse, secure im seems to be at a standstill lately13:10
TronicI really hate the fact that open-source internet telephony fails so miserably.13:12
* Tronic is still looking something as easy to as Skype and with encryption built-in and always in use.13:12
TronicAdd "OTR" verification for key signatures if you wish. Do not enforce not recording calls even when OTR is used.13:13
itsnotabigtruckwell, there has to be verification of some sort13:14
itsnotabigtruckMITM attacks are only rare because popular security protocols defend against them13:14
itsnotabigtruckif web browsers didn't validate certificates, do you think isps in many parts of the world wouldn't start just mitming every ssl connection that's made?13:15
TronicDo you really think that they cannot attack via CAs?13:15
itsnotabigtruckthose tend to be short term by their very nature13:16
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itsnotabigtruckalso depending on which ca you're talking about, it could be incredibly obvious13:16
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TronicI think the main part of security comes from verifying that the key stays the same. If you connect via a secure network the first time, you can tell that you are directly connected with the same peer even when on insecure network.13:17
itsnotabigtrucke.g. if was suddenly signed by the us federal pki13:17
itsnotabigtruckyou know something's up13:17
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TronicBut yes, key fingerprint verification is pretty basic stuff that just should be there.13:18
TronicIt still is quite impossible to fake that if verification is done over voice.13:19
TronicWhat it cannot guarantee, of course, is that you are speaking with the right person to start with.13:19
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Myname24Forum tmo is on13:48
paquestion: with 1.1 it often happens that if WiFi is not on, and one tries to use the net, wifi goes on, but by the time it's on, the application returns an error13:51
paincluding the manual syncing with MfE13:51
padoes this still happen with 1.2?13:51
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kevin_bHello guys13:57
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kevin_bIs there a way to trigger the 1.2 OTA update? (never ever had the 1.1 notification)13:58
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CissWitkevin_b: it depends on the variant you have13:58
CissWiti had the OTA update for PR1.1 last week only.13:59
kevin_bI think it is a Austrian variant14:00
CissWitkevin_b: you can know the exact variant you have by looking at the last 3 number of the version string14:02
CissWit look at the two last comments.14:05
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CissWitit seems the only PR 1.1 update for PR_480 variant is via NSU.14:06
CissWitall those variants issues are really a pain.14:07
itsnotabigtruckCissWit: pretty sure those australian variants don't have any updates at all14:09
itsnotabigtruckyou have to debrand by flashing14:09
CissWititsnotabigtruck: D.Cent and rahulthewall say they had the update via NSU in the comments.14:10
CissWitI have the 232 variant, don't know what country it's from, but i got the OTA PR1.1 last week.14:11
CissWithum, australian, i read austrian.14:12
fluxthis is great. n9 email program decides that all folders, including the spam folder, are as worthy of email notifications as everything else. is there a fix to this? or is the Inbox I'm seeing something the server virtually generates?14:13
kevin_bactually 480 is from switzerland / austrian area14:13
auenfPR_299 ftw!14:13
kevin_bthanks for the Info CissWit14:13
matrixxflux: which email service are you using? At least I haven't encountered such problem with hotmail or gmail14:14
fluxmatrixx, the "other mail server", a Dovect-based IMAP server14:15
matrixxhmm, don't know about that :/14:15
nid0by default the n9 wont even check subfolders for mail at the same time as the inbox unless you star them14:15
fluxnid0, I do wonder what the 'Inbox' is in this case.. it appears to contain my all mail, including spam, but my actual INBOX doesn't have that..14:16
fluxthe list of folders separately lists Inbox and INBOX14:16
nid0I would check that server-side, as the n9 will simply fetch your account global imap folder subscriptions and display those14:17
fluxthe actual client-side problem seems to stem from that I cannot prevent it from using Inbox14:18
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pais it my impression or budaemon started to eat more ? what can it be?14:29
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itsnotabigtruckCissWit kevin_b: whoops, sorry14:36
itsnotabigtrucki'm *very* tired right now14:36
itsnotabigtruckdidn't think i'd ever make the austria/australia mistake :p14:36
itsnotabigtruck :p14:37
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griAnyone understands the Ovi store? shows "Your search did not match any items compatible with your phone." (n9 selected) but the direct link works:
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pais it still a problem to boot N9 open mode?15:05
pano way to get rid of those warnings for good?15:05
itsnotabigtruckpa: well, open mode = having the warning15:05
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itsnotabigtrucki believe it's possible to trick out your warning screen with a replacement image15:05
itsnotabigtruckdon't think anyone's actually implemented that yet15:06
pabut after all, what exactly changes? no aegis, but what else? and what does no aegis imply?15:06
itsnotabigtrucknah, you still have aegis15:06
itsnotabigtruckwhat changes is a) aegis operates using a different key, which messes up most aegis-related things15:07
itsnotabigtruckso you have to expunge everything when entering or leaving open mode15:07
itsnotabigtruckand b) a few things check if you're in open mode and allow you to do additional things15:07
itsnotabigtrucknamely, you can install packages with any level of aegis access without any signature15:07
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pai see..15:08
itsnotabigtrucke.g. dpkg -i opensh.deb15:08
itsnotabigtruckthen you have a shell that lets you do anything (sort of)15:08
paso no way to get open mode seamless? meaning no expunging?15:08
itsnotabigtruckwell, if you can do that, it wouldn't be open mode anymore15:09
itsnotabigtruckit would be normal mode with an awesome hack15:09
itsnotabigtrucknothing yet but it's only a matter of time until someone does that15:09
pabut what would happen if one apt-get remove aegis?15:10
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itsnotabigtruckif you apt-get remove aegis-enabler you'll fsck up your phone and have to reflash15:10
itsnotabigtruckbecause the kernel is hardwired to use the init process included with aegis-enabler15:12
faeniledges in my notebook monitor are flashing :(15:13
faenilhas anyone ever seen anything like that?15:13
itsnotabigtruckthat's no good :/15:13
itsnotabigtruckno...maybe it's the backlight dying15:13
faenilin BIOS too, so it's LED imho.. .:(15:13
paah in understand now15:13
paso by the way, is it safe to reflash pr1.2 now, or are there all those weird problem still?15:14
itsnotabigtruckpretty sure it's pretty safe15:14
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paim not sure if to reflash now, and update to 1.315:15
paor reflash directly 1.315:15
kevin_b1.3 's out :)?15:15
pabut it should be reasonably soon15:16
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itsnotabigtruckunless restoring your files is a huge hassle, flash whenever you need/want to15:16
pabasically it is reinstalling stuff15:16
itsnotabigtrucki mean, flashing a dozen times a day probably isn't very good for the flash chips - they have finite read/write cycles15:16
itsnotabigtruckso don't get all ocd about it :p15:16
CissWitis there official ways to flash the n9 ?15:17
itsnotabigtruckCissWit: yeah, nokia software updater15:17
CissWitwould it allow me to change the variant ?15:17
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itsnotabigtruckit always reflashes the latest version for your product code (= same variant)15:18
itsnotabigtruckalso it doesn't let you restore the user data partition15:18
itsnotabigtruckand a lot of the time, what's messed up is on there15:18
itsnotabigtruck < check out the flashing guide15:19
pa34 pkg to reinstall if i reflash :)15:20
paitsnotabigtruck, thanks for writing that guide, btw15:21
itsnotabigtruckwell, you probably don't need all of those anyway - it's a good opportunity to short through which apps you need to keep15:21
itsnotabigtruckoh yeah, you already saw it i guess15:21
itsnotabigtruck*sort through15:21
* itsnotabigtruck wants for the N915:23
itsnotabigtruckwell, i don't know if that particular implementation is all that great15:24
itsnotabigtruckbut it's a neat concept15:24
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paquestion: is there any way to store message threads somewhere, with N9?15:34
itsnotabigtruckyou mean like export them to flat files?15:34
pai mean, say i wanna delete a thread from the phone, but keep it15:34
itsnotabigtruckdon't think so15:34
pafor example15:34
itsnotabigtruckyou can upload them with nokia suite15:34
pai know syncml for N9 does not support sms15:34
pabut maybe there's another way15:35
paitsnotabigtruck, do you know where messages are stored?15:35
itsnotabigtrucknot an idea15:37
itsnotabigtrucksomewhere inside ~user :p15:37
palemme check15:38
Aardpa: tracker, iirc15:38
itsnotabigtruckbtw in case any of you have use for it:
itsnotabigtruck(enables wi-fi hotspot for us users)15:40
itsnotabigtruckand tracker is a file indexer15:40
payou mean a sort of slocate?15:40
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Aarditsnotabigtruck: tracker is more than a file indexer, unfortunately15:41
itsnotabigtruckpa: heavier than that, but kinda15:41
itsnotabigtruckthink more like the windows search indexer or spotlight or something15:42
itsnotabigtrucka lot of people here really dislike it15:42
pabtw where do i store aliases in ash?15:44
pai mean, theres no .bashrc, im used only to bash15:45
itsnotabigtruck/etc/profile i think?15:45
paah thanks15:45
sp3000.bashrc works15:46
sp3000or, well, .profile works15:46
sp3000and .bashrc if .profile runs it ;)15:46
pait would also be great to have midnight commander, for when using it via ssh15:47
pai wonder if there's such package for harmattan15:47
paAard, im checking into .commhistory dirs, but i cant find the sms15:51
paand im a little afraid of shooting an rgrep15:51
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Aardpa: it's somewhere in one of the databases. don't expect to find a database only containing sms15:59
Aardthe way to access it would be through tracker, or commhistory16:00
pai see16:02
pait kinda sucks16:03
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paand no i dont want to use some shitty nokia software to save my sms16:04
pait's 201216:04
mgedminmy n9 task switcher has a weird all-blank black app window16:04
mgedminhow can I identify which app has it open?16:04
Aardpa: you just want to save it, or you want to save _and_ read it?16:04
pahaha, well also read at some point in time16:04
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itsnotabigtruckhmm, strange16:09
itsnotabigtruckbb5_rdc_cert_read failed  MTC_NOS_READY not received CMT RFS failed16:09
itsnotabigtrucktwo people receiving ^ that in a short timeframe16:09
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Aardpa: if you use the on-device backup application you'll get a big sqlite-database containing evyrithing messaging-related, incl. sms16:13
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Aardit'll be in, Root/home/user/MyDocs/.tmp/trackerbackup16:13
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paAard, ah really?16:14
pawell then it should be visible with any sqlite client, right?16:14
pathats actually great16:14
pai'll try it out16:14
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faenilis there anyone in here who owns a RIM Playbook16:22
itsnotabigtrucki think djszapi has one16:24
faenilmmm have you seen him lately?16:25
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knobtvikercan somebody help please16:25
knobtvikermy camera stopped responding 'Try again, camera stopped responding' infobanner16:26
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knobtvikerwhat packages should i apt-get to try and reinstall16:26
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sp3000like after an update or otherwise16:31
* sp3000 likes to talk to people who aren't there16:32
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tabaskomy camera also stops responding quite often on pr1.216:41
tabaskoespecially if I try use that multhost feature16:41
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paAard, as far as you know, is the backup incremental?16:57
pameaning stuff get added to the db?16:57
Aardpa: no, each backup is a full backup16:57
paah okay16:57
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Aardwould be too messy otherwise, with you having to copy it off usb mass storage, and back to the device for restore16:58
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itsnotabigtruckjust when i try to sleep, BAM gigantic thunderstorm17:55
itsnotabigtruckjust my luck today17:55
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djszapiitsnotabigtruck: sleep is for weaks ÖD17:57
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itsnotabigtruckinteresting, so it looks like in both of these MTC_NOS_READY cases18:30
itsnotabigtruckthe CMT got flashed to 1.2, but the SW cert got left at 1.118:31
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itsnotabigtruckso the user had to flash everything except the CMT back to 1.1, and the CMT to 1.218:31
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itsnotabigtruckbug #106218:54
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_MeeGoBot_Bug nor, ---, ---, marcell.lengyel, ASSI, libfcam-dev (camera control API) not available in Platform SDK18:55
itsnotabigtruckapparently the next SDK is supposed to be shipping with libfcam-dev18:55
itsnotabigtruckwell, "next update to the SDK", not sure how substantial this will actually be18:55
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payou mean qt sdk 1.3?19:45
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itsnotabigtruckpa: platform sdk i assume20:26
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bluesleehow do i update the index for media files, my photos are not shown21:23
bluesleein the gallery (n9)21:29
tehdelymusic player is so batshit insane when it comes to track ordering21:29
tehdelyif your album happens to be of the 'various artists' variety21:29
tehdelygood luck getting it to play in order21:29
tehdelyi'm suing Nokia!!!21:29
bluesleeno, i will do that;-)21:30
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itsnotabigtruckoh FFS22:25
itsnotabigtrucktmo *just* went down, again22:26
itsnotabigtruckit's been getting more and more frequent22:26
phakoyeah, I was just posting and went back to search and it disappeared22:26
itsnotabigtruckit doesn't seem like ad-hac's received much attention :( though it's only useful for a very small audience22:27
itsnotabigtruckthere's like 3 regulars here from the us and therefore affected by the wifi hotspot lockout22:28
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tehdelyitsnotabigtruck: here's your attention: "it works, thank you very much :)"22:31
itsnotabigtruckbtw tmo's back up22:31
tehdelyi fled t-mo years ago22:31
tehdelyfor AT&T, of all things22:31
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itsnotabigtruckthe other tmo >_>22:31
tehdelyoh, in .de?22:32
itsnotabigtruckno, TMO here usually = talk.maemo.org22:32
tehdelyi hear tmo i think T-Mobile ;P22:32
itsnotabigtruckyeah, so do i :p22:32
* itsnotabigtruck likes his $15 at&t data plan22:33
itsnotabigtruckit's a shame t-mobile got rid of those lower cost contract-free plans a ways back22:33
tehdelyi'm on data-pro22:33
tehdelymy other phone has the tether plan, cause work pays for it :>22:33
itsnotabigtruckyou can probably put your line on media net and pay $10 less, but it might be tricky22:33
tehdelyno need22:34
itsnotabigtruckthey started wisening up to that sort of thing a long time ago so it's probably not so easy anymore to get them to reclassify your line as not having a smartphone22:34
tehdelyi had to switch to a micro-SIM when my N9 arrived22:35
tehdelyand they actually insisted on having an IMEI to activate the SIM22:35
tehdelythey know what i've got22:35
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itsnotabigtruckwhereas a few years ago you could put your sim into a dumb-phone, call them up and tell them you're no longer using a smartphone, and give them your dumb-phone's imei22:35
itsnotabigtruckthen enable data unlimited/media net and put the sim back in the smartphone22:35
itsnotabigtruckeven if you just bought a smartphone on contract22:35
itsnotabigtrucka few years ago = before the iphone made data plans serious business22:36
itsnotabigtruckalso strange...i got my microsim without even having the N9 with me22:36
itsnotabigtrucktehdely: did you go to a corporate store or a franchisee22:39
tehdelycorporate store22:39
tehdelythe guy actually screwed up, too22:39
tehdelywhen i went to my office and unboxed the N9 and put the SIM in, the SIM wasn't activated22:39
tehdelyhad to do it over th ephone22:39
tehdelybut he did actually scan the IMEI right off the box, at the store22:39
DocScrutinizeryou got strange business over there22:39
rigo:) was my reaction too22:39
DocScrutinizerhere nobody cares what phone you put your sim in22:40
rigoDocScrutinizer, they also pay to receive calls22:40
DocScrutinizerindeed :-P22:40
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rigohere works only as long as you don't go from one state to another. Before the Commission came down on them, the austrian providers took 3.50€ per minute for roaming22:41
itsnotabigtruckrigo: except that US phone plans usually come with zillions of domestic minutes anyway22:41
itsnotabigtruckthe real ripoff is text messaging22:41
rigoha! they know the youngsters22:42
itsnotabigtruckwith at&t, you get a choice between $0.25 per sms (in and out), or $15 to $20/mo for flat rate unlimited22:42
itsnotabigtruckboth are a scam, really22:42
DocScrutinizermuhaha, pay for inbound SMS22:43
itsnotabigtruckthey used to have a few steps in between but they got rid of them in order to force everyone onto the expensive unlimited plan22:43
rigohm, at current conversion rate that's equivalent to here :)22:43
DocScrutinizeras if I had a choice22:43
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer: yeah, that's the really evil thing22:43
tehdelyi'm on a family plan with my work phone + my boyfriend's iPhone22:44
tehdelyi actually get a pretty good eal22:44
itsnotabigtruckyou can choose not to answer a call, but you get the text message whether you wanted it or not22:44
tehdelywe share one plan with unlimited SMS, MMS, and mobile-to-any-mobile calling22:44
tehdelyso even if they're not on AT&T the call is free22:44
tehdelyreally it just translates to unlimited, period, since i make so few calls that aren't to a mobile that they fall under whatever our minutes allotment is22:44
tehdelywhich is, i think, 70022:44
itsnotabigtrucktehdely: are you sure about that? i'm pretty sure "mobile to mobile" always means in-network22:44
itsnotabigtruckbut right now i have thousands of rollover minutes so it doesn't really matter22:44
tehdelythis is a new thing22:44
tehdelyemphasis on "any"22:45
tehdelyAT&T has been pulling out all the stops to keep customers, ever since Verizon got the iPhone22:45
tehdelythey went: "oh shit!  we're expensive as hell and our network is awful!"22:45
tehdelyit would have been nice if they had realized or cared about that earlier, but no22:45
rigohave a nice WE all!22:46
itsnotabigtrucklater rigo!22:46
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tehdelyi'm goin' skiing :)22:46
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itsnotabigtruckanyone still on?23:19
itsnotabigtruckany idea how the rumored bit is stored on the N900?23:19
padoes harmattan support contact groups, so far?23:19
phakopa: define contact groups23:21
phakowhat capabilites should they have?23:22
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paphako, it's a tag for the contact23:26
pacapability: filter by tag23:26
papossibly multiple tag23:26
pais it there?23:26
pabut is it synced with MfE?23:26
phakoMfE is a piece of crap23:26
paphako, but is it the only way to sync contacts on N9, isnt it?23:27
phakono. SyncML works23:27
phakobut groups weren't synced there as well either23:27
phakomight have changed after I left the contacts area23:27
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paSyncML? i didnt get how to use it..under accounts i saw only MfE as option to sync contats23:28
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pais it on "nokia account"?23:29
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phakogood question23:30
paphako, i found this:23:32
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phakoCould be that SyncML only works between devices via "Synchronisation" and the Nokia account23:34
pano comment..23:35
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