| jonni | afaik qt mobolity video player only uses sw to decode, and webkit passes the decoding to dsp native player. | 00:00 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | jonni: are you sure about that? | 00:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'd be surprised if the qt mobility api didn't use gstreamer and all the dsp stuff put underneath that | 00:02 |
| jonni | itsnotabigtruck: not 100% sure, but if I remember right gstreamer (and vlc) is not able to use DSP, only the native player uses dsp. | 00:02 |
| jonni | but I migt remember totally wrong, havent followed that thread lately | 00:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jonni: hmm...i thought there's a whole bunch of OMAP DSP plugins shipped with the n9's gstreamer | 00:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | vlc has its own decoder, it doesn't use gstreamer | 00:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so i'm not surprised with that | 00:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | maybe qt mobility has to ask gstreamer to use the right plugins | 00:05 |
| jonni | itsnotabigtruck: forexample according to this gstreamer does not have access to DSP http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=5330 | 00:08 |
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| jonni | that would explay why native is able to play 720p and qt mobility isnt | 00:09 |
| jonni | explain even | 00:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hmm | 00:10 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://apps.formeego.org/staging/applications/n9/pr1.0/harmattan/Network/ad-hac/ | 00:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (apologies for the screwy "screenshot" - that didn't come out the way i'd hoped) | 00:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | tehdely jpwhiting < when you guys get back online | 00:14 |
| jpwhiting | I'm here | 00:15 |
| * jpwhiting clicks | 00:15 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's a shame appsformeego isn't prettier, e.g. it reads the description from the .deb but screws up the formatting | 00:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hm, it looks like the repository hasn't actually updated yet, so you can't download from there | 00:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | whoops, there it is | 00:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://repo.apps.formeego.org/harmattan/apps-testing/all/ad-hac_0.1_all.deb | 00:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i forgot my package was architecture-independent | 00:18 |
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| danielcbit | Hi Everybody. Does any one know how to remove all user files created by an app when the app is uninstalled? | 00:19 |
| beford | itsnotabigtruck, I dont have anything I care in my phone but if I use --erase-user-data it will a lot of time, right? | 00:21 |
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| danielcbit | I want to delete created user databases also, when the app is removed | 00:29 |
| danielcbit | Any easy way to do that? | 00:29 |
| gabriel9 | evening | 00:36 |
| gabriel9 | so, does anyone wish to try video calls with me? | 00:36 |
| gabriel9 | i'm not ugly | 00:36 |
| gabriel9 | and i know eng | 00:36 |
| gabriel9 | :) | 00:36 |
| gabriel9 | just to see how it is working, i'm planing to write article about MeeGo, N9 and Harmattan | 00:37 |
| gabriel9 | and i promise i will not use your email adr for any bad stuff | 00:38 |
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| ieatlint | you managed to convince me against saying yes | 00:39 |
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| gabriel9 | no one | 00:45 |
| gabriel9 | damn | 00:45 |
| faenil | gabriel9: I'm coding | 00:46 |
| faenil | but I can put the n950 on the desk | 00:46 |
| faenil | and let you try it | 00:46 |
| gabriel9 | sure | 00:47 |
| gabriel9 | we can do that | 00:47 |
| gabriel9 | i'm coding also :) | 00:47 |
| faenil | :) | 00:47 |
| faenil | just back from volley training | 00:47 |
| faenil | so I haven't read anything | 00:47 |
| faenil | what is it about? | 00:47 |
| gabriel9 | i wish to try google video calls | 00:48 |
| gabriel9 | and non of my friends have video call feature | 00:48 |
| faenil | :) | 00:48 |
| faenil | I have a clean 1.2 | 00:48 |
| pawky|2 | anybody having problems downloading new maps with 1.2? | 00:54 |
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| pawky|2 | even though I have wireless on and working, it tells me i should use wireless and the download button is greyed out :-( | 00:54 |
| gabriel9 | no problems here | 00:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | dammit, just missed beford | 00:55 |
| pawky|2 | gabriel9: does it say anything about using wireless, and the button is clickable? | 00:56 |
| gabriel9 | pawky|2 i just downlad map | 00:56 |
| gabriel9 | no | 00:56 |
| gabriel9 | any of that | 00:56 |
| pawky|2 | weird.. | 00:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for the record, the answer is that if you don't have data you need to get rid of --erase-user-data is a waste of time | 00:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just flash the main/emmc and you're done | 00:56 |
| jonni | pawky|2: most likely you just need to restart maps, it complains about wifi if you start it with 2/3g or if it doesnt detect wifi to be on internet | 00:57 |
| pawky|2 | jonni: my saviour... will try.... | 00:57 |
| jonni | --erase-user-data=secure is only usefull for nuking forgotten security code and if you happen to have screwed up cal area, but for most of the end users its not needed. | 01:00 |
| tehdely | itsnotabigtruck: can i install it using the appsformeego client on the phone | 01:02 |
| tehdely | will it be the right version | 01:02 |
| tehdely | re: ad-hac | 01:02 |
| tehdely | i enabled 'review' mode | 01:02 |
| pawky|2 | jonni: weird.. didn't like to reboot while having the charger connected... never got past the 'ploink a ploink ploink' sound... | 01:02 |
| pawky|2 | jonni: nope... started with wifi working... stilll cannot download :-( | 01:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jonni: --erase-user-data can fix the CAL? | 01:04 |
| tehdely | itsnotabigtruck: using the client I get | 01:05 |
| tehdely | "Can't install. Installation package not found" | 01:05 |
| tehdely | i'll try installing the deb by hand but that is kind of a bummer | 01:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | tehdely: ...strange | 01:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i haven't actually tested installing from a4m | 01:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just installing the package directly | 01:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | strange | 01:05 |
| tehdely | ok i will just wget and dpkg -i | 01:06 |
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| pawky|2 | while at it... is there any vpnc client anywhere to be downloaded (command line is fine) | 01:06 |
| tehdely | didn't install. i think a4m angered things | 01:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | tehdely: what was the error? | 01:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | throw it on https://gist.github.com or https://crypty.ch | 01:08 |
| tehdely | oh it was just complaininag bout the dpkg lock-file still being present | 01:08 |
| tehdely | a4m installer obv. has some bugs :) | 01:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh ok | 01:08 |
| pawky|2 | jonni: Ahhh... how stupid of me... forgot I set the online option to offline in maps.... and that won't cut it ofcourse ;-) | 01:08 |
| tehdely | installed now | 01:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's not an apps for meego problem, it's a problem with package-manager | 01:08 |
| tehdely | pray tell, how does this work | 01:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (backend to apps gui) | 01:08 |
| tehdely | <busconfig> | 01:08 |
| tehdely | <policy creds="AID::com.nokia.maemo.wl1271-cal.wl1271-cal"> | 01:08 |
| tehdely | <deny send_destination="com.nokia.csd.CSNet" /> | 01:08 |
| tehdely | </policy> | 01:08 |
| tehdely | </busconfig> | 01:08 |
| tehdely | i'm very curious | 01:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | tehdely: hehe | 01:08 |
| tehdely | i work with linux all day but not with dbus | 01:08 |
| tehdely | so i have no idea what that does but whatever it is, good on ya | 01:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | wl1271-cal is the wlan regulatory utility | 01:09 |
| tehdely | cool i can launch Wi-Fi Hotspot now | 01:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | when you start the phone it attempts to check what "mobile country code" your cell phone network tells it | 01:09 |
| tehdely | i'll test again after reboot | 01:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if that MCC is the US it turns ad-hoc off | 01:10 |
| tehdely | i guess that also means it can't associate with ad-hoc networks | 01:10 |
| tehdely | what is it about ad-hoc that emits more radiation? | 01:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what that little snippet does is cut off communication between the cellular services daemon, and the calibration tool | 01:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so it can't tell where you are, so it just uses generic settings | 01:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which turn on ad-hoc | 01:10 |
| tehdely | ah, brilliant | 01:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (for that same reason - ad-hoc is turned on if you have your phone off the cell network when you boot it) | 01:11 |
| guardian | should i use -mfloat-abi=soft-fp when building for harmattan? | 01:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | now that everyone knows how it works let's hope it doesn't get "fixed" in 1.3 :) | 01:11 |
| jonni | guardian: nope, you cannot, harmattan uses hardfp | 01:11 |
| faenil | has anyone used qt-qnx here? | 01:12 |
| tehdely | ok afk | 01:12 |
| guardian | alright thx jonni | 01:12 |
| jonni | -mfloat-abi=hard | 01:13 |
| guardian | i'm going my way adapting an autotools build | 01:13 |
| guardian | some neon code is built inside a libtool convenience lib | 01:13 |
| guardian | for now i'm just passing -mfpu=neon so that i can use neon intrinsics | 01:13 |
| guardian | anything else i should pass? | 01:13 |
| jonni | -mtune=cortex-a8 can use usefull for you too | 01:14 |
| guardian | doesn't the toolchain somehow do that for me? | 01:15 |
| pawky|2 | jonni: you who know it all... do you think I could get vpnc from the N900 repository to work on th N9? (command line) | 01:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | use -march=cortex-a8 | 01:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not -mtune | 01:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | march = optimizes for a particular cpu, and enables all that cpu's features | 01:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mtune = optimizes for a particular cpu, but doesn't enable the features | 01:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you use mtune if you want to optimize for new cpus but be compatible with old cpus | 01:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but since we know exactly what cpu is going to be used, march is the way to go | 01:16 |
| guardian | so my question applies i guess. if you know exactly what cpu is going to be used, couldn't the sbox target provide that as defaults? | 01:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it might already...i forget exactly how to get gcc to cough up its defaults | 01:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but do that and you can find out | 01:18 |
| jonni | I though that the harmattan toolchain was too old to regognize -match=cortex-a8" but if it does, then yes thats the way to go | 01:18 |
| jonni | dont mind my typo | 01:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | heh | 01:18 |
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| jonni | heh sbox target compiles for armv5 by default, so its not giving right defaults, unless it has been fixed at some point | 01:19 |
| jonni | year ago I used following flags for my pet project -O3 -march=armv7-a -mtune=cortex-a8 -mfpu=neon, but that was year ago, and sb might have better defaults. | 01:23 |
| guardian | bad value (cortex-a8) for -march= switch | 01:23 |
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| jonni | yep toolchain doesnt regognize it, so you might want to use -march=armv7-a -mtune=cortex-a8 -mfpu=neon | 01:24 |
| guardian | yeah that's what i was going to ask | 01:24 |
| guardian | thx for the help | 01:25 |
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| jonni | pawky|2: there is already vpnc for n9... just cant remember the forum post right out of the hand... | 01:27 |
| jonni | I have no idea if n900 repo sources compile. | 01:28 |
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| jonni | or my memory might just give me tricks, I' | 01:29 |
| jonni | ll search for it when I have free time again next week.... | 01:29 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | that's very strange | 01:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so it accepts cortex-a8 for mtune but not march? | 01:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | weird, i'd expect it to be neither or both | 01:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it would be cool to get clang working for harmattan | 01:36 |
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| pawky|2 | jonni: its not openvpn you are thinking of? | 01:42 |
| * itsnotabigtruck can't wait for the PR1.2 SDK DVD | 01:46 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | hopefully there won't be missing files this time | 01:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not stuff that was deliberately left out, on the previous release there was stuff that obviously should have been there but wasn't | 01:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | like the harmattan patches for SSH | 01:47 |
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| pawky|2 | i have a bit of an odd question for you all N9 users... when I got my first N9 there was a video showing how they made the N9... but all my replacement N9, never came with it, which I find a bit odd.. do you have the the video on yours? :-) | 01:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hmm | 01:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pawky|2: did your N9 come with any preloaded content at all? | 01:49 |
| pawky|2 | yes :-) | 01:49 |
| pawky|2 | one video with surround sound... one showing how to print characters, and a few bad songs... | 01:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, i've got 2 videos | 01:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | one of them is the typography video | 01:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | they must have taken it out in the PR1.2 or PR1.1 content emmc | 01:51 |
| pawky|2 | aha.. but not the one showing how they make the N9 right? | 01:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you could downgrade your emmc to PR1.0 if you really want it | 01:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or you could dump that emmc and extract the video | 01:51 |
| pawky|2 | LOL... nah... | 01:51 |
| pawky|2 | i was just curious if they took it away on all the N9's... I believe my first one was amongst the first ones. | 01:51 |
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| pawky|2 | jonni: would you ever figure out that vpnc download site, don't hesitate to send me the link... :-) | 01:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | wow, that typography video is actually really cool | 01:54 |
| * itsnotabigtruck is a font fascist | 01:55 | |
| pawky|2 | aha.. and as far as I remembered it... the one showing how they make the N9 was cool as well.. | 01:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i want to see this too, so let's see if i can perform an extraction | 01:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hm, nokia's download server isn't much of a speed demon right now | 01:57 |
| pawky|2 | if you extract it.. give me a link :-) | 01:58 |
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| pawky|2 | by the way... I read one could do some simple video editing in PR1.2... haven't found out how... did they take this feature away in the final release? | 02:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i heard about that too...maybe you just need to look harder? | 02:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i haven't actually tried it | 02:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but there's a bunch of stuff in the release for it and i think they were trumpeting it on their blogs | 02:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | non-destructive editing | 02:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, that was for photos actually | 02:06 |
| pawky|2 | hmm.. buy that one could do already in the PR1.1 | 02:06 |
| pawky|2 | (but) | 02:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ok, i downloaded the worldwide generic PR1.0 emmc | 02:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it has the same familiar two vids inside | 02:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | :( | 02:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what product code is your n9 | 02:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, was the N9 that you sent in | 02:08 |
| pawky|2 | hmm... | 02:09 |
| Jare | pawky|2: go to gallery, choose a video clip and edit it | 02:09 |
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| pawky|2 | Jare: like video clips would be in the gallery? | 02:10 |
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| pawky|2 | Jare: only pictures in the gallery on my N9.. | 02:11 |
| pawky|2 | itsnotabigtruck: looking in an old dmesg output file.... | 02:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pawky|2: i'm not sure that would actually contain the product code | 02:13 |
| pawky|2 | you mean that 059L6J7 or similar? | 02:14 |
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| Jare | the videos you've shot with the N9 are in the gallery | 02:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah | 02:14 |
| pawky|2 | Jare:ohh.. | 02:14 |
| pawky|2 | itsnotabigtruck: 059L7N6 | 02:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 059L7N6: N9 RM-696 Country Variant Sweden SE Black 64GB_COLOR | 02:15 |
| pawky|2 | yeah.. that one.. | 02:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jesus...1.5gb download | 02:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because of all the maps | 02:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you do this :p http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22BIQSOSCN/--LID--FiRe1317290711122/EF26AFF2_DFL61_HARMATTAN_10.2011.31-3.339.2.339_EMMC_339.bin | 02:16 |
| Jare | I suppose you could edit other videos too, if the format supported and you move them to DCIM folder.. | 02:16 |
| Jare | +is | 02:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pawky|2: install flasher 3.5 (not 3.12.1, though they can co-exist) | 02:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | make a directory called emmcdump or some such | 02:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | flasher -uemmcdump -F foo.bin | 02:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that will put a file named mmc in the directory | 02:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | get that onto a linux system and loop mount it as vfat | 02:17 |
| pawky|2 | Jare: you are right... cool :-) | 02:19 |
| pawky|2 | itsnotabigtruck: duh... no flashing for me for a long time to come... have burned two phones that way.. | 02:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pawky|2: no need to flash, you use the flasher to un-fiasco it | 02:20 |
| pawky|2 | itsnotabigtruck: well.. actually only one.. the first one was broken from factory.. | 02:20 |
| pawky|2 | itsnotabigtruck: ahh.. | 02:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no need to connect the phone, in fact don't connect the phone in case you typo it or something | 02:20 |
| pawky|2 | itsnotabigtruck: yeah.. | 02:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what happened to the 2nd phone? | 02:21 |
| pawky|2 | itsnotabigtruck: I was experimenting with trying to throw aegis out.. | 02:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also flasher 3.5 installs to c:\program files (x86)\maemo\flasher-3.5\flasher-3.5.exe | 02:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or something along those lines | 02:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pawky|2: heh | 02:22 |
| pawky|2 | in the end, the phone thought it had a newer version of the firmware than was upon the phone.. so I could never reflash.. | 02:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you couldn't just flash the firmware it thought it already head? | 02:22 |
| pawky|2 | itsnotabigtruck: well.. using that openmode version, you still have aegis doing stuff... | 02:22 |
| pawky|2 | itsnotabigtruck: nope.. i sent it in to Nokia.. who sent it to Romania (as usual)... who gave up and sent me a new phone... | 02:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's also weird, i thought nokia stores usually have dongles that allow using phoenix to downgrade phones | 02:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so they could just downgrade it from whatever it thought it had to pr1.whatever | 02:24 |
| pawky|2 | obviously not... :-( or.... :-) | 02:24 |
| pawky|2 | neither the official repair store could fix it, nor Romania.. | 02:24 |
| pawky|2 | ... or was it hungary... | 02:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's all kind of irrelevant to me since nokia doesn't even have repair shops in north america | 02:25 |
| pawky|2 | they should have.. | 02:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and i might or might not have a warranty in the first place | 02:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | :p | 02:26 |
| pawky|2 | well.. nokia wont complain if you accidentally cannot reflash your unit, even if you have flashed it before... | 02:26 |
| pawky|2 | they probably don't have to help you.... but they righteously see things through their fingers i presume.. | 02:27 |
| pawky|2 | again.. the best thing would be to not break it in the first place.. ;-) | 02:27 |
| pawky|2 | so.. beware of aegis... | 02:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, beware of messing with SW certificates | 02:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's dangerous stuff yo :p | 02:28 |
| pawky|2 | found a backlog? :-) | 02:29 |
| pawky|2 | I think it all started with wanting to mount stuff... then I also looked into certificates.. | 02:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nah, haven't looked | 02:29 |
| pawky|2 | should be somewhere... in november/december | 02:30 |
| pawky|2 | I nearly cracked it... | 02:30 |
| pawky|2 | Believe I accidentally flashed some certificate that f..ed it all up... | 02:31 |
| pawky|2 | had one to many firmwares laying around... | 02:32 |
| pawky|2 | well.. time to sleep... | 02:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pawky|2: see pm | 02:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh, nm then | 02:36 |
| pawky|2 | itsnotabigtruck: still here.. | 02:36 |
| pawky|2 | pm? | 02:36 |
| DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Could you verify one little thing for me? | 02:38 |
| pawky|2 | sure | 02:39 |
| pawky|2 | DrGrov: ohh... sorry.. | 02:39 |
| DrGrov | pawky|2: Huh? | 02:39 |
| pawky|2 | DrGrov: never mind, thought you asked me... | 02:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pawky|2: private message | 02:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: yeah | 02:41 |
| DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: You are on PR 1.2 with a N9 yes? | 02:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah | 02:41 |
| DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Good. How long does it take for the device to power off? | 02:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: not long at all | 02:42 |
| DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Talking 5-10 seconds approximately? | 02:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | a couple seconds, and then it takes a while longer to actually power off after the screen blanks | 02:42 |
| DrGrov | So the light is lit when you are powering it off and it stays lit for a few seconds longer? | 02:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, if i remember correctly | 02:42 |
| DrGrov | Ok | 02:43 |
| DrGrov | I wonder if I might have some unusual odd behavior... I powered it off, took a few seconds to get the Nokia screen, it blanks off and then the lit is lit for about 5 seconds. Perhaps even 6-7 seconds. | 02:43 |
| DrGrov | I wonder, feels like it is actually slower to power off in PR 1.2 than in PR 1.1. Could the feeling of delay be because of heavy usage? | 02:44 |
| DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Have you tried to plug in the charger after you switched off? Did it give you the power on state and it went through all the way to actually powering it on, asking PIN ? | 02:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: i think i've done it once or twice | 02:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's heavily timing dependent | 02:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | remember, attaching to usb boots it into act-dead mode | 02:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so if the phone is already changing modes | 02:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what mode it ends up in depends on exactly when you plugged it in | 02:46 |
| DrGrov | So a delay before I start charging will make it go into act-dead mode for only charging? | 02:47 |
| DrGrov | Perhaps I plugged in the damn thing too fast LOL | 02:47 |
| DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Will the delay actually help to make it only charge? | 02:51 |
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| DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Or do I need to monitor something else in this fucked up process to get the bloody phone only charging? | 02:51 |
| DrGrov | I am losing patience with this charging bullshit | 02:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | plug it into usb, then "power it off" | 02:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or power it off completely, wait, then plug it into usb | 02:52 |
| DrGrov | Ok, will ex. 5 minutes be enough? | 02:52 |
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| DrGrov | *for example 5 minutes | 02:53 |
| DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Thanks for the help, I am off to get some sleep. | 02:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: 5 mins? no, like 10 seconds | 02:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just wait for the light to be off | 02:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or plug it in while it's already powered on instead | 02:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that will transition it directly from on to act dead mode | 02:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | instead of on -> off -> act dead | 02:55 |
| DrGrov | Well, I waited 10 seconds after I powered it off and the bloody thing powered on all the way until it asked for the PIN code | 02:55 |
| DrGrov | That is when I powered it off and tried putting the charging cable | 02:56 |
| DrGrov | Nevermind, I wait 10 minutes to be on the safe side and plug the fucking charger in sideways and hope the bastard phone reacts like it should | 02:56 |
| DrGrov | Or I throw it out from the window, fuck it | 02:56 |
| * DrGrov needs his nicotine to calm down | 02:57 | |
| DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Thanks for the help though :) | 02:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 02:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | later | 02:58 |
| DrGrov | I gotta get a grip of myself, this snusing and smoking is making me insane | 02:58 |
| DrGrov | I used 6 cans in 4 days of Swedish snus. It is insanely much. Usually goes about 1 can per 2 days but no, now it goes at least 1 can / day. | 02:58 |
| DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Laters, take care | 03:00 |
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| ieatlint | is there a way to detect if a headset is plugged in? | 03:48 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | man, i totally should have bought an N810 when woot.com was selling those cheap | 04:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or were they N800s | 04:15 |
| beford | i have one | 04:15 |
| beford | :d | 04:15 |
| beford | xD | 04:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: i'm sure there is, the question is how,a nd whether aegis blocks it | 04:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hmm | 04:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | beford: well, i'm sure lots of people do :p | 04:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | on the other hand i probably wouldn't have had much use for one back then | 04:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if i was in college 5 years ago maemo tablets probably would have been the stuff | 04:17 |
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| beford | is it 5 years old? time passes fast xD | 04:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | n810's getting close to it | 04:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and the 770 is a bit over 6 years old | 04:21 |
| ieatlint | itsnotabigtruck: yeah, i'll look into, was just seeing if someone knew so i could shortcut to the solution :) | 04:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | looks like the n810 wimax goes for about $125 these days | 04:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | interesting, apparently the n810 wimax is locked to the now-nonexistant xohm | 04:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it can't be used with clear, which succeeded it | 04:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | actually it's not, looks like some people just couldn't figure out how to make it connect | 04:25 |
| beford | lol | 04:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the problem with clear's wimax service is that it's at least as expensive as a cell phone add-on data plan | 04:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and everybody has a cell phone these days, and most of the people who'd think about signing up for wimax have smartphones too | 04:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Will depend on who has the unlimited plan with the biggest quota. | 04:43 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | heh | 04:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | SpeedEvil: but it's not about the size of your quota, it's how you use it :p | 04:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if the ovi store featured list is country-by-country, i wonder how much my ovi store downloads influence it | 04:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | eh, there has to be at least 4 digit numbers of N9s in the us, that would still make it very small | 04:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | maaaaybe 5 digit | 04:51 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | are extraordinary measures required to get screenshots/icons to update on appsformeego? | 05:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://apps.formeego.org/staging/applications/n9/pr1.0/harmattan/Network/ad-hac/ | 05:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the 2 screenshots i added appeared, but the icon and 1st screenshot, which i modified, didn't | 05:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw SpeedEvil: you're based in the US, right? you might find ^ useful | 05:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | direct link: http://repo.apps.formeego.org/harmattan/apps-testing/all/ad-hac_0.1_all.deb | 05:43 |
| SpeedEvil | UK | 05:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ah, not sure why i thought that then | 05:44 |
| * SpeedEvil checks GPS. | 05:44 | |
| SpeedEvil | yep, UK. | 05:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hehe | 05:44 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | lol, the time is probably one reason i thought that - damn, it's 4am UTC | 06:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Sleep cycle is broken | 06:17 |
| * bindi coughs | 06:20 | |
| bindi | 6 AM local time here | 06:20 |
| ieatlint | daylight sucks anyway | 06:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm hoping bumping the version of my app will cause appsformeego to come to its senses and refresh everything | 06:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that "screenshot" i submitted being stretched horribly is keeping me from posting it :p | 06:24 |
| ieatlint | the icon for that ad-hac is a bit tacky :P | 06:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: on appsformeego, or once installed | 06:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in the package manager, it shows up as that nokia wifi icon that's in the middle | 06:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the icon on appsformeego should, i hope, change soon | 06:26 |
| ieatlint | yeah, ok | 06:26 |
| ieatlint | the one on the website is what i saw | 06:26 |
| ieatlint | and i oddly don't want an american flag icon on my phone :P | 06:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: http://apps.formeego.org/staging/applications/n9/pr1.0/harmattan/Network/ | 06:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it just changed | 06:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but that icon again is only for the website, on the device it's the wifi icon (squircle in the middle with the waves) | 06:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and it installs no desktop icon at all | 06:28 |
| ieatlint | ah, ok | 06:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in fact, i screenshotted the uninstall screen (ss #3) | 06:29 |
| ieatlint | yeah, fine and generic | 06:30 |
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| beford | y u are always online itsnotabigtruck | 07:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | beford: lol | 07:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because i spend way too much time on irc, and i'm in college | 07:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also i thought i didn't have much work to do today, except boom, surprise homework | 07:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so i need to finish that up now :( | 07:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://travisgoodspeed.blogspot.com/2012/02/wardriving-for-zigbee.html | 07:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ^ zigbee wardriving system for N9 | 07:16 |
| beford | oh, I saw that on hackaday, didn't recognize the n9 | 07:20 |
| ieatlint | haha, zigbee wardriving? | 07:21 |
| ieatlint | that's awesome | 07:21 |
| tehdely | twitter client stopped working today | 07:29 |
| tehdely | it just says "No tweets" | 07:30 |
| tehdely | i deleted the account, rebooted, readded/reauthorized | 07:30 |
| tehdely | still No Tweets | 07:30 |
| tehdely | that's lame | 07:30 |
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| tehdely | wow, lot of this: twitter-meego[2732]: CRITICAL-Error: Not found XDG_CACHE_HOME environment variable | 07:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw what is up with all the apps named like: org.formeego.apps | 07:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i guess the idea is from android+java, but this isn't android, or java :p | 07:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | tehdely: that's not good :/ | 07:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, anyone who installed lpsmagic 0.4 - make sure to install 0.4.1 | 07:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 0.4 broke the alarm clock | 07:33 |
| tehdely | anyone here using Track & Protect btw | 07:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nein | 07:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it would be cool to have some sort of antitheft solution that isn't proprietary and $$$ | 07:34 |
| tehdely | i'm more concerned about privacy implications | 07:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though otoh a knowledgeable attacker can just wipe the phone no matter what antitheft software you use | 07:34 |
| tehdely | and also whether it'll work once i put my phone in open mode | 07:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's the other thing, yeah | 07:34 |
| tehdely | i'm going to follow your procedure | 07:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i think it'll work in open mode | 07:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but the only thing preventing it from being removed is the device lock code | 07:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which can be reset | 07:35 |
| beford | wouldn't prey work on the n9? | 07:36 |
| beford | I *believe* there was a n900 port | 07:36 |
| tehdely | man it would be nice if Nokia Link worked over bluetooth | 07:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81297 | 07:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | "meamo"? can't even spell the name of the website s/he's on :p | 07:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yay, the red bull is kicking in | 07:39 |
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| beford | lol, me amo | 07:41 |
| antoniouslj | Man, this N9 keeps getting better and better | 07:42 |
| tehdely | mine seems to be getting worse | 07:43 |
| tehdely | i give it a few more days before i reflsah :P | 07:43 |
| tehdely | *reflash | 07:43 |
| antoniouslj | You must have a lemon or something | 07:43 |
| tehdely | nah | 07:44 |
| antoniouslj | I've had to do a reset occasionally, but not often | 07:44 |
| antoniouslj | I came from Android, and this is night and day a much better | 07:45 |
| antoniouslj | UX | 07:45 |
| antoniouslj | I've had several Android phones too, even dual cores that would crush the hardware in the N9 | 07:46 |
| tehdely | anybody get a lot of these in their log com.nokia.csd.simatk: simatk_report_event_notification:460 Building and sending ATK_REPORT_EVENT_NTF -message | 07:46 |
| antoniouslj | Yet this phone is pure butter and quite a but more capable | 07:46 |
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| tehdely | man | 07:51 |
| tehdely | twitter client is all sorts of effed up | 07:52 |
| tehdely | OH WELL | 07:52 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82715 | 07:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yay, posted | 07:58 |
| tehdely | nice | 08:00 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://n9-apps.com/ad-hac | 08:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (one problem - adblock plus blocks all the entries for my app on n9-apps because "ad-hac" contains "ad" :p) | 08:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | *images for my | 08:09 |
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| djszapi | anybody from Finland ? | 08:23 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | probably, but not me :p btw, any idea what happens if an SSU conflicts with an already installed package | 08:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for a specific example, if someone installs calendarrr then the pr1.2 update | 08:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also it seems that the appsformeego client is still displaying outdated info for ad-hac :/ | 08:30 |
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| ieatlint | what is calendarr? | 08:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: my calendar live icon program | 08:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pretty sure i relentlessly spammed it here when it was new :D | 08:32 |
| ieatlint | yeah, i installed it on a phone | 08:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it doesn't make any sense on PR1.2 because it has the same functionality built-in | 08:33 |
| ieatlint | thought that's what it was | 08:33 |
| ieatlint | but wasn't sure | 08:33 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | so i put a conflicts line in blocking it from being installed with PR1.2's calendar | 08:33 |
| ieatlint | so all i can say is the phone i installed it on, which is now running 1.2, updated without issue and the calendar icon is still updating | 08:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but i'm not really sure how gracefully package-manager handles that sort of thing | 08:33 |
| ieatlint | i am now wondering if the calendar icon is being updated twice each night though | 08:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ideally it should either a) get rid of calendarrr, or b) fail the update before it actually starts, so the user can rectify it | 08:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: well, see if calendar-live-icon (calendarrr in the package gui) is still there | 08:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it sounds like package manager might have just automatically nuked it | 08:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | assuming you did the OTA hten | 08:35 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | speaking of that, http://store.ovi.com/content/231931 should probably be dropped from the ovi store before someone installs it on pr1.2 | 08:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | assuming it doesn't have dependencies that block that | 08:43 |
| ieatlint | uh, i'll look in a bit | 08:43 |
| ieatlint | my phone is beyond reaching distance, and standing is effort | 08:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hehe | 08:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh, also, ieatlint: install ad-hac! | 08:48 |
| ieatlint | yeah... but phone so far | 08:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | wait, i already spammed it to you | 08:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | carry on :p | 08:48 |
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| ieatlint | what part of the US are you in anyway? | 08:58 |
| ieatlint | ohio? | 08:58 |
| gabriel9 | morning | 09:01 |
| gabriel9 | anyone developed client app for facebook? | 09:01 |
| ieatlint | no, but i have an awesome client for grindr | 09:01 |
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| gabriel9 | do i need to register on fb to get some kind of key? | 09:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: ohio? where'd you get that :p | 09:03 |
| beford | itsnotabigtruck, I suppose main.bin file is the one that doesn't say EMMC on its name? | 09:04 |
| ieatlint | just a guess :P | 09:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | beford: precisely | 09:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i should probably have mentioned that somewhere in my guide, heh | 09:05 |
| ieatlint | care to specify, or prefer to keep it quiet? :P | 09:05 |
| denism | hi, does N9 PR1.2 supports automatic time update? Or just Saunalahti/Elisa in Finland have stopped such feature? | 09:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | denism: it definitely has automatic time update, but you can turn it on and off | 09:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: illinois now, but i'm from portland | 09:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | wish i was in portland now | 09:06 |
| ieatlint | ah, love portland, yeah | 09:06 |
| denism | itsnotabigtruck: ok thank you, so seems my cellular operator has stopped supports on his side :( | 09:06 |
| denism | perhaps I have to check Ovi Store for an application to sync with internet clocks | 09:10 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | denism: i think one of the repos has openntpd ported | 09:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that could adversely affect the battery though | 09:11 |
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| ieatlint | familiar with ps1? | 09:15 |
| beford | the playstation or environment variable | 09:15 |
| beford | itsnotabigtruck, flashing mmc now | 09:16 |
| beford | ugh it rebooted automagically to set the lang and scared me | 09:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | beford: hmm? it should only reboot if you tell it to | 09:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you skipped doing flasher -i though, i've heard it'll automatically reboot shortly after the flash | 09:24 |
| beford | I suppose it read the sim settings and noticed it had to boot in spanish | 09:25 |
| beford | it was starting normally and showing a 'new things in you n9' and then iy rebooted | 09:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | weird | 09:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw the default language is set in CAL | 09:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and afaik it persists | 09:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | actually i'm not 100% sure about that | 09:27 |
| beford | I had it on english before flashing | 09:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | right, but my guess is that the default language is set at the factory and never changes | 09:28 |
| beford | ah | 09:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | however, i'm not actually sure about that, it might just be part of the image | 09:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but i don't think any of the 00x images are *just* for spanish speaking countries | 09:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so that doesn't make any sense | 09:29 |
| beford | no, thats why I think it read it from the simcard | 09:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it defaults even without a sim card installed | 09:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and mine defaults to english (great britain) | 09:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because that's what's in CAL, presumably | 09:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though i'm surprised it doesn't default to spanish, it's a latin america import | 09:30 |
| beford | mine is from singapore | 09:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 09:31 |
| beford | at least it doesnt start in singaporean :D (chinese I suppose xD) | 09:33 |
| ieatlint | itsnotabigtruck: i had to get up to get more beer.. calendarr is still installed | 09:37 |
| ieatlint | i'm uninstalling it now though | 09:37 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: hrm | 09:50 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | you already uninstalled it? i was wondering if apt considered the system broken | 09:50 |
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| ieatlint | no, i got distracted | 09:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: heh | 09:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ok, don't install it yet then, see what apt thinks | 09:55 |
| ieatlint | not an apt guy, what should i run for it to sanity check its db? | 09:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: tbh i have no idea | 09:59 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | ok, how about just doing | 09:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | apt-cache show calendar-live-icon | 09:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | apt-cache show calendar | 09:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | things would be a lot easier with aptitude | 09:59 |
| ieatlint | calendar-live-icon conflicts with calendaricon, calendar-hack | 10:01 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: nah, those are dependency entries | 10:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that i put in | 10:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but, what version is calendar | 10:05 |
| ieatlint | 0.1 | 10:05 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: no, calendar itself | 10:06 |
| ieatlint | 0.19.47+0m7 | 10:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ok, so that's definitely a conflicting dependency | 10:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hmm | 10:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | do apt-get -s install wget | 10:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (or any other package you don't have installed) | 10:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | see if apt warns you about broken packages | 10:08 |
| ieatlint | nope, doesn't complain | 10:09 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | hmm | 10:12 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: go back up to the calendar output, does it say Depends: ..., calendar (<< 0.19) | 10:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if i try to install calendar-live-icon on an already upgraded phone it correctly blocks the install because of that | 10:13 |
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| ieatlint | no, it seems to say it depends on calendar, but doesn't specify any version dependency | 10:16 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: ah | 10:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hm...you probably installed an early deb i was tossing around here before i added that | 10:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | better get rid of it now | 10:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it doesn't cause any harm, just updates the icon twice a day :p | 10:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh yeah, and also the icon will reset to the 21st after uninstalling calendar-live-icon | 10:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then change back next time the nokia thing runs | 10:18 |
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| ieatlint | ok | 10:24 |
| ieatlint | indeed correct, icon now says 21st | 10:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you can probably run the nokia script directly to fix that | 10:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's somewhere in /usr/bin but i forget what it's called | 10:27 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | shouldn't be hard to find though | 10:27 |
| ieatlint | http://nig.gr/whiteblack.swf | 10:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | probably has to be run as root | 10:27 |
| ieatlint | eh, i can wait a day | 10:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lolwaaaaat | 10:27 |
| ieatlint | yeah, it's the most offensive and best url shortener if you go to the domain | 10:28 |
| leinir | ha! brilliant :) | 10:30 |
| ieatlint | yes, we can all thank greece for a meaningful contribution | 10:31 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | so N9 PR1.2 includes libfcam (uber camera control api), but no -dev package to go with it :/ | 10:52 |
| faenil | -.- | 10:54 |
| ab | itsnotabigtruck, file a bug, please | 10:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ab: does it count as a bug if the same thing applies to basically everything released after 6 months ago :( | 10:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the root problem is that the public sdk is frozen in time | 10:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it would be nice to at least get -dev packages for new cool things like this though | 10:56 |
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| ab | itsnotabigtruck, yet, file a bug and list packages new to 1.2 missing -dev counterparts | 11:00 |
| ab | it would cost you 15 minutes at most but would help those who could help. | 11:01 |
| leinir | Be sure to remind them that the sdk is used to develop apps for other than PR1.0 (which is a requirement for the ovi^wnokia store) | 11:01 |
| ab | very good point | 11:01 |
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| leinir | (a spectacular bit of stupid, caused entirely by ovi's inability to handle multiple versions of harmattan... so i'm told) | 11:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ab: filing bugs has done nothing | 11:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | they fix what they want to fix, everything else is WONTFIXed or sits in ASSIGNED purgatory | 11:07 |
| ab | so is whining on the IRC | 11:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | tbh whining on the irc is probably more likely to get problems noticed than filing bugs on the public tracker | 11:07 |
| ab | itsnotabigtruck, that's why I wanted you to file the bug there, thanks for noticing. :) | 11:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, might as well... | 11:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | stand by for bug number | 11:08 |
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| RST38h | moo, ab | 11:08 |
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| ab | meh, RST38h | 11:08 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | bug #1062 | 11:19 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1062 nor, ---, ---, ext-lavanya.alamuri, NEW, libfcam-dev (camera control API) not available in Platform SDK | 11:19 |
| faenil | itsnotabigtruck, heh :D | 11:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | let's see if i can turn up some statistics about how futile this bug tracker is :D | 11:21 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | out of 1012 "device" bugs, 161 are fixed, 126 are wontfix, 188 are invalid/duplicate/notreproducible | 11:30 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | out of the remaining bugs, 444 are NEW or ASSIGNED | 11:32 |
| ab | I've pinged some of Nokia mgmt for the bug 1062 | 11:33 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1062 nor, ---, ---, ext-lavanya.alamuri, NEW, libfcam-dev (camera control API) not available in Platform SDK | 11:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ab: great :) | 11:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if only bug #715 were to be fixed...but at this point it's probably too much to ask for :/ | 11:36 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=715 maj, ---, ---, ext-lavanya.alamuri, NEW, No platform SDK releases since PR1.1 to match on-device packages | 11:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | once the SDK DVD is out, it might be a good idea to put together a 3rd party repo with as many PR1.2 SDK packages as possible | 11:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though that doesn't cover any of the closed source things | 11:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the irritating thing is that every one of those -dev packages *exists*, after all, how else would harmattan be built - it just doesn't make it out to developers at all | 11:38 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | and if that whole process doesn't change by PR1.3 then important header files will be forever locked away on some abandoned vcs somewhere | 11:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hrm, talk.maemo.org went down *again* | 11:40 |
| rigow | itsnotabigtruck, who do you contact in nokia to help? | 11:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rigow: myself? no one, i don't have personal contacts at nokia | 11:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm pretty new here in the scheme of things | 11:41 |
| rigow | I have plenty ;) | 11:41 |
| rigow | so just drop me email with your complaints and I'll try to get this to the right people | 11:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, i think some people at nokia etc. have already tried to get things changed with the sdk, to little effect | 11:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's why i'm being so pessimistic right now | 11:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | c.f. all the drama related to signing the repository | 11:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and that doesn't even involve releasing anything new | 11:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and i get the impression that releasing any sort of dev packages, etc. involves a lot of bureaucracy and no one wants to spend time on things like swlc auditing | 11:43 |
| rigow | I can only try. If others have tried, perhaps I will fail. But is it worth trying? I think yes. I'm really happy with my phone and I want this eco-system to be sustained ... | 11:44 |
| rigow | nokia can be _very_ bureaucratic and closed down | 11:44 |
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| kozzi | is talk.maemo.org working for anyone ? | 11:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | kozzi: nope, it just went down | 11:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | they've been having web server trouble for a while | 11:51 |
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| kozzi | it's like everyday around this time since PR1.2 release | 11:58 |
| kozzi | it gets backup about 4-5 hours later though | 11:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | kozzi: yeah, there was a thread about it | 12:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the admin said the web server process has been crashing and not restarting | 12:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and suggested it was due to monitoring software (ironic :p) | 12:01 |
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| mcfrisk | anyone know where to download linux flasher and image for PR1.2? I think my update was screwed, network problems and reboot failures, and update repairs, but there are some font problems and various slowdowns. | 12:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mcfrisk: check out my guide | 12:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | erm, except, tmo is down | 12:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | googlecachetiem | 12:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Ftalk.maemo.org%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D82693&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a | 12:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | do the "Comprehensive reset" if you don't mind erasing your music/maps/docs/pics - that's the closest thing to starting from scratch | 12:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | is it just me, or is google cache updating a lot more frequently than it used to...that cached page contains changes i made a few hours ago | 12:10 |
| mcfrisk | itsnotabigtruck: thanks, I'm pretty familiar with linux flasher and images, but needed to find them first :) | 12:10 |
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| kozzi | one thing google is good at, collecting stuffs | 12:12 |
| kozzi | quite boring now that my N9 is at Nokia Care | 12:13 |
| kozzi | any other place to go for maemo/meego stuffs ? | 12:14 |
| kozzi | other than meego.com | 12:14 |
| Aranel[mobi] | my-meego? | 12:15 |
| kozzi | oh yeah, forgot that they also have forum | 12:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | kozzi: forums, or app directories | 12:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://n9-apps.com/ is a pretty good listing of apps, though near everything is a link to either tmo or ovi store | 12:15 |
| kozzi | I know about that site, what I mean is discussion forums | 12:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, TMO and FMC are really the only particularly lively forums | 12:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's a few symbian sites that tried to expand into meego a little | 12:17 |
| kozzi | yeah but none succeeded | 12:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | looks like my-meego forum = my-symbian forum | 12:17 |
| kozzi | btw, now that Google talk video can be implemented, any idea if msn video is doable ? | 12:18 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | has anyone implemented it for telepathy? | 12:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | e.g. in telepathy-butterfly | 12:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if so, probably | 12:18 |
| kozzi | none of my friends use gmail, other than for spams | 12:19 |
| kozzi | don't think so, the current msn support isn't quite there yet | 12:19 |
| kozzi | no file transfer, avatar support | 12:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | kozzi: http://blog.desmottes.be/post/2009/09/14/MSN-audio/video-chat-in-Telepathy | 12:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'd strongly recommend moving away from MSN asap, but there you go | 12:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | get telepathy-butterfly installed and configured, and install the video call enabler from the store | 12:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | despite what it says, it enables video call support globally | 12:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's not just for gtalk | 12:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | one thing that could be problematic - i don't think an accounts plugin exists for telepathy-butterfly | 12:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | telepathy-haze (which is what "extraplugins" in the store uses) won't cut it for audio/video | 12:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i have no idea if this will actually work, but it sounds like the best bet | 12:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | remember that MSN is totally unencrypted | 12:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | however, telepathy doesn't support secure rtp, so all voice or video calls are totally unencrypted no matter what you use | 12:22 |
| kozzi | so, it all depends on extraplugins maker to decide whether to support it or now ? | 12:24 |
| kozzi | *now=not | 12:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | kozzi: no, extraplugins is a dead end for that | 12:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | extraplugins uses telepathy-haze for everything | 12:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which is a connector between pidgin (libpurple) and telepathy | 12:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so it doesn't support anything but the basics | 12:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | this is kinda the problem, there's a bunch of ways to connect to an IM service and all of them have downsides | 12:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, you can add the butterfly msn account using mc-tool in the shell | 12:27 |
| kozzi | yeah, I was wondering what's the different between two method on tmo | 12:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it won't integrate into accounts and contacts, only into messaging | 12:27 |
| kozzi | haze and butterfly | 12:27 |
| kozzi | now I got it | 12:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | right, native telepathy vs pidgin compatibility | 12:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | obviously the main reason to use telepathy-haze is that it gets you reasonably functional support for everything pidgin can speak, which is a lot | 12:28 |
| kozzi | I remember that you said, you were developing a xmpp plugin/addon to be used inplace of the default one | 12:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i said i was thinking about it...haven't actually started :( | 12:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but yeah, implementing that should allow xmpp to be used with any server, with video calling and everything | 12:29 |
| kozzi | oh, it good that you gave it a though :) | 12:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just like the google talk plugin | 12:29 |
| kozzi | it would be awesome | 12:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | remember that if you ever connect to e.g. a wifi hotspot | 12:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | someone can lift all your confidential messages by firing up wireshark and clicking a few buttons | 12:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's the problem with wlm/msn | 12:30 |
| kozzi | yes, but I think like most people, the choice is whether facebook or MSn | 12:31 |
| kozzi | I don't think most ppl really mind that | 12:31 |
| kozzi | otg, messaging is done mostly using 3g anyway | 12:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's kind of the problem...everyone *should* mind that, whether they're speaking about anything actually secret or not | 12:32 |
| kozzi | and I just simply dislike facebook | 12:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but vendors don't care about security, and users don't demand security | 12:33 |
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| kozzi | well, I don't really know what's safe anymore | 12:33 |
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| kozzi | at the end-user point of view, it's important that it just works :( | 12:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's the thing, the N9 doesn't support any sort of end to end encryption anyway | 12:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and 99% of the time no matter what protocol is used, the messages are passing through the im servers of some major corporation | 12:34 |
| kozzi | omg, I'm starting to sound like my cousin, who use iphone | 12:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | heh | 12:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm probably a bit paranoid about that stuff...at the same time, everybody benefits by making security ubiquitous | 12:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it's not really happening | 12:36 |
| kozzi | big guys, decide the path, not much you can do | 12:37 |
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| * Arkenoi was trying to find someone to implement p2p encryption, no luck :-( | 12:53 | |
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| RST38h | Arkenoi: Why not do it yourself, you being a security wizard etc? | 12:53 |
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| Arkenoi | RST38h, no having much time to write code :-( | 12:54 |
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| flux | it appears the n9 mail agent still isn't suitable for use with my imap provider, because it recursively finds everything from each folder (including maildir contents as separate folders) | 13:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Arkenoi: for what application? | 13:06 |
| flux | any suggestions if I can mock around with it with gconftool or ~user/.config? I cannot find the settings there.. | 13:07 |
| flux | if I only could tell it the default folder, it would probably work just fine.. | 13:07 |
| Arkenoi | itsnotabigtruck, i was targeting maemo5, so i just wanted to integrate it to telepathy/messaging smoothly. don't know if it is possible with harmattan and aegis. | 13:07 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | ah | 13:08 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, the problem is a) afaik there's no interface in telepathy for end to end security | 13:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so you'd be doing that from scratch | 13:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and then b) the gui in messaging/call-ui needs to be adjusted to be security aware | 13:09 |
| petteri | otr encryption on N9 would be nice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-the-Record_Messaging | 13:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | e.g. the call screen needs to have go secure/go clear/short authentication string widgets | 13:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for voice encryption | 13:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and all of the communication gui stuff is non-oss so that's very lame | 13:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | aegis isn't the main issue | 13:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and yeah, for otr, there has to be go secure/go clear/confirm fingerprint buttons | 13:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | maybe some sort of key management gui | 13:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i really don't like otr but the alternatives are worse, secure im seems to be at a standstill lately | 13:10 |
| Tronic | I really hate the fact that open-source internet telephony fails so miserably. | 13:12 |
| * Tronic is still looking something as easy to as Skype and with encryption built-in and always in use. | 13:12 | |
| Tronic | Add "OTR" verification for key signatures if you wish. Do not enforce not recording calls even when OTR is used. | 13:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, there has to be verification of some sort | 13:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | MITM attacks are only rare because popular security protocols defend against them | 13:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if web browsers didn't validate certificates, do you think isps in many parts of the world wouldn't start just mitming every ssl connection that's made? | 13:15 |
| Tronic | Do you really think that they cannot attack via CAs? | 13:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | those tend to be short term by their very nature | 13:16 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | also depending on which ca you're talking about, it could be incredibly obvious | 13:16 |
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| Tronic | I think the main part of security comes from verifying that the key stays the same. If you connect via a secure network the first time, you can tell that you are directly connected with the same peer even when on insecure network. | 13:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | e.g. if gmail.com was suddenly signed by the us federal pki | 13:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you know something's up | 13:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | :p | 13:17 |
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| Tronic | But yes, key fingerprint verification is pretty basic stuff that just should be there. | 13:18 |
| Tronic | It still is quite impossible to fake that if verification is done over voice. | 13:19 |
| Tronic | What it cannot guarantee, of course, is that you are speaking with the right person to start with. | 13:19 |
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| Myname24 | Forum tmo is on | 13:48 |
| pa | question: with 1.1 it often happens that if WiFi is not on, and one tries to use the net, wifi goes on, but by the time it's on, the application returns an error | 13:51 |
| pa | including the manual syncing with MfE | 13:51 |
| pa | does this still happen with 1.2? | 13:51 |
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| kevin_b | Hello guys | 13:57 |
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| kevin_b | Is there a way to trigger the 1.2 OTA update? (never ever had the 1.1 notification) | 13:58 |
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| CissWit | kevin_b: it depends on the variant you have | 13:58 |
| CissWit | i had the OTA update for PR1.1 last week only. | 13:59 |
| kevin_b | I think it is a Austrian variant | 14:00 |
| CissWit | kevin_b: you can know the exact variant you have by looking at the last 3 number of the version string | 14:02 |
| kevin_b | 480 | 14:03 |
| CissWit | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2012/02/28/patience-is-a-virtue-when-waiting-for-a-platform-update look at the two last comments. | 14:05 |
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| CissWit | it seems the only PR 1.1 update for PR_480 variant is via NSU. | 14:06 |
| CissWit | all those variants issues are really a pain. | 14:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | CissWit: pretty sure those australian variants don't have any updates at all | 14:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you have to debrand by flashing | 14:09 |
| CissWit | itsnotabigtruck: D.Cent and rahulthewall say they had the update via NSU in the comments. | 14:10 |
| CissWit | I have the 232 variant, don't know what country it's from, but i got the OTA PR1.1 last week. | 14:11 |
| CissWit | hum, australian, i read austrian. | 14:12 |
| flux | this is great. n9 email program decides that all folders, including the spam folder, are as worthy of email notifications as everything else. is there a fix to this? or is the Inbox I'm seeing something the server virtually generates? | 14:13 |
| kevin_b | actually 480 is from switzerland / austrian area | 14:13 |
| auenf | PR_299 ftw! | 14:13 |
| kevin_b | thanks for the Info CissWit | 14:13 |
| matrixx | flux: which email service are you using? At least I haven't encountered such problem with hotmail or gmail | 14:14 |
| flux | matrixx, the "other mail server", a Dovect-based IMAP server | 14:15 |
| matrixx | hmm, don't know about that :/ | 14:15 |
| nid0 | by default the n9 wont even check subfolders for mail at the same time as the inbox unless you star them | 14:15 |
| flux | nid0, I do wonder what the 'Inbox' is in this case.. it appears to contain my all mail, including spam, but my actual INBOX doesn't have that.. | 14:16 |
| flux | the list of folders separately lists Inbox and INBOX | 14:16 |
| nid0 | I would check that server-side, as the n9 will simply fetch your account global imap folder subscriptions and display those | 14:17 |
| flux | the actual client-side problem seems to stem from that I cannot prevent it from using Inbox | 14:18 |
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| pa | is it my impression or budaemon started to eat more ? what can it be? | 14:29 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | CissWit kevin_b: whoops, sorry | 14:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm *very* tired right now | 14:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | didn't think i'd ever make the austria/australia mistake :p | 14:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Austria :p | 14:37 |
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| gri | Anyone understands the Ovi store? http://store.ovi.com/search?q=web2sms shows "Your search did not match any items compatible with your phone." (n9 selected) but the direct link works: http://store.ovi.com/content/221381 | 14:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | weird | 14:54 |
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| pa | is it still a problem to boot N9 open mode? | 15:05 |
| pa | no way to get rid of those warnings for good? | 15:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pa: well, open mode = having the warning | 15:05 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | i believe it's possible to trick out your warning screen with a replacement image | 15:05 |
| pa | ah | 15:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | don't think anyone's actually implemented that yet | 15:06 |
| pa | but after all, what exactly changes? no aegis, but what else? and what does no aegis imply? | 15:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nah, you still have aegis | 15:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what changes is a) aegis operates using a different key, which messes up most aegis-related things | 15:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so you have to expunge everything when entering or leaving open mode | 15:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and b) a few things check if you're in open mode and allow you to do additional things | 15:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | namely, you can install packages with any level of aegis access without any signature | 15:07 |
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| pa | i see.. | 15:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | e.g. AEGIS_FIXED_ORIGIN=com.nokia.maemo dpkg -i opensh.deb | 15:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then you have a shell that lets you do anything (sort of) | 15:08 |
| pa | so no way to get open mode seamless? meaning no expunging? | 15:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, if you can do that, it wouldn't be open mode anymore | 15:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it would be normal mode with an awesome hack | 15:09 |
| pa | :) | 15:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nothing yet but it's only a matter of time until someone does that | 15:09 |
| pa | but what would happen if one apt-get remove aegis? | 15:10 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | if you apt-get remove aegis-enabler you'll fsck up your phone and have to reflash | 15:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because the kernel is hardwired to use the init process included with aegis-enabler | 15:12 |
| faenil | guys | 15:12 |
| faenil | edges in my notebook monitor are flashing :( | 15:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah? | 15:13 |
| faenil | has anyone ever seen anything like that? | 15:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's no good :/ | 15:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no...maybe it's the backlight dying | 15:13 |
| faenil | in BIOS too, so it's LED imho.. .:( | 15:13 |
| faenil | yeah... | 15:13 |
| pa | ah in understand now | 15:13 |
| pa | thanks | 15:13 |
| pa | so by the way, is it safe to reflash pr1.2 now, or are there all those weird problem still? | 15:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pretty sure it's pretty safe | 15:14 |
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| pa | im not sure if to reflash now, and update to 1.3 | 15:15 |
| pa | or reflash directly 1.3 | 15:15 |
| kevin_b | 1.3 's out :)? | 15:15 |
| pa | no | 15:16 |
| pa | but it should be reasonably soon | 15:16 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | unless restoring your files is a huge hassle, flash whenever you need/want to | 15:16 |
| pa | well | 15:16 |
| pa | basically it is reinstalling stuff | 15:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i mean, flashing a dozen times a day probably isn't very good for the flash chips - they have finite read/write cycles | 15:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so don't get all ocd about it :p | 15:16 |
| CissWit | is there official ways to flash the n9 ? | 15:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | CissWit: yeah, nokia software updater | 15:17 |
| CissWit | would it allow me to change the variant ? | 15:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nope | 15:18 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | it always reflashes the latest version for your product code (= same variant) | 15:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also it doesn't let you restore the user data partition | 15:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and a lot of the time, what's messed up is on there | 15:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82693 < check out the flashing guide | 15:19 |
| pa | 34 pkg to reinstall if i reflash :) | 15:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | heh | 15:20 |
| pa | itsnotabigtruck, thanks for writing that guide, btw | 15:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, you probably don't need all of those anyway - it's a good opportunity to short through which apps you need to keep | 15:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh yeah, you already saw it i guess | 15:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | *sort through | 15:21 |
| * itsnotabigtruck wants http://betalabs.nokia.com/apps/nokia-drop for the N9 | 15:23 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, i don't know if that particular implementation is all that great | 15:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it's a neat concept | 15:24 |
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| pa | question: is there any way to store message threads somewhere, with N9? | 15:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you mean like export them to flat files? | 15:34 |
| pa | i mean, say i wanna delete a thread from the phone, but keep it | 15:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | don't think so | 15:34 |
| pa | for example | 15:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you can upload them with nokia suite | 15:34 |
| pa | i know syncml for N9 does not support sms | 15:34 |
| pa | but maybe there's another way | 15:35 |
| pa | itsnotabigtruck, do you know where messages are stored? | 15:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not an idea | 15:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | somewhere inside ~user :p | 15:37 |
| pa | lemme check | 15:38 |
| Aard | pa: tracker, iirc | 15:38 |
| pa | tracker? | 15:39 |
| pa | directory? | 15:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw in case any of you have use for it: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82715 | 15:39 |
| Aard | https://meego.gitorious.org/tracker | 15:40 |
| pa | ah | 15:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (enables wi-fi hotspot for us users) | 15:40 |
| pa | thanks | 15:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and tracker is a file indexer | 15:40 |
| pa | you mean a sort of slocate? | 15:40 |
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| Aard | itsnotabigtruck: tracker is more than a file indexer, unfortunately | 15:41 |
| Aard | pa: http://wiki.meego.com/Commhistory | 15:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pa: heavier than that, but kinda | 15:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | think more like the windows search indexer or spotlight or something | 15:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | a lot of people here really dislike it | 15:42 |
| pa | btw where do i store aliases in ash? | 15:44 |
| pa | i mean, theres no .bashrc, im used only to bash | 15:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | /etc/profile i think? | 15:45 |
| pa | ah thanks | 15:45 |
| sp3000 | .bashrc works | 15:46 |
| sp3000 | or, well, .profile works | 15:46 |
| sp3000 | and .bashrc if .profile runs it ;) | 15:46 |
| pa | it would also be great to have midnight commander, for when using it via ssh | 15:47 |
| pa | i wonder if there's such package for harmattan | 15:47 |
| pa | Aard, im checking into .commhistory dirs, but i cant find the sms | 15:51 |
| pa | and im a little afraid of shooting an rgrep | 15:51 |
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| Aard | pa: it's somewhere in one of the databases. don't expect to find a database only containing sms | 15:59 |
| Aard | the way to access it would be through tracker, or commhistory | 16:00 |
| pa | ah | 16:02 |
| pa | i see | 16:02 |
| pa | it kinda sucks | 16:03 |
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| pa | and no i dont want to use some shitty nokia software to save my sms | 16:04 |
| pa | it's 2012 | 16:04 |
| mgedmin | my n9 task switcher has a weird all-blank black app window | 16:04 |
| mgedmin | how can I identify which app has it open? | 16:04 |
| Aard | pa: you just want to save it, or you want to save _and_ read it? | 16:04 |
| pa | haha, well also read at some point in time | 16:04 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1173069 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1173084 | 16:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hmm, strange | 16:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | bb5_rdc_cert_read failed MTC_NOS_READY not received CMT RFS failed | 16:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | two people receiving ^ that in a short timeframe | 16:09 |
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| Aard | pa: if you use the on-device backup application you'll get a big sqlite-database containing evyrithing messaging-related, incl. sms | 16:13 |
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| Aard | it'll be in contacts.zip, Root/home/user/MyDocs/.tmp/trackerbackup | 16:13 |
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| pa | Aard, ah really? | 16:14 |
| pa | well then it should be visible with any sqlite client, right? | 16:14 |
| Aard | yes | 16:14 |
| pa | thats actually great | 16:14 |
| pa | i'll try it out | 16:14 |
| pa | thanks | 16:14 |
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| faenil | is there anyone in here who owns a RIM Playbook | 16:22 |
| faenil | ? | 16:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | maybe? | 16:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i think djszapi has one | 16:24 |
| faenil | mmm have you seen him lately? | 16:25 |
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| knobtviker | hello | 16:25 |
| knobtviker | can somebody help please | 16:25 |
| knobtviker | my camera stopped responding 'Try again, camera stopped responding' infobanner | 16:26 |
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| knobtviker | what packages should i apt-get to try and reinstall | 16:26 |
| knobtviker | ? | 16:26 |
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| sp3000 | like after an update or otherwise | 16:31 |
| * sp3000 likes to talk to people who aren't there | 16:32 | |
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| tabasko | my camera also stops responding quite often on pr1.2 | 16:41 |
| tabasko | especially if I try use that multhost feature | 16:41 |
| tabasko | *multishot | 16:41 |
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| pa | Aard, as far as you know, is the backup incremental? | 16:57 |
| pa | meaning stuff get added to the db? | 16:57 |
| Aard | pa: no, each backup is a full backup | 16:57 |
| pa | ah okay | 16:57 |
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| Aard | would be too messy otherwise, with you having to copy it off usb mass storage, and back to the device for restore | 16:58 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | just when i try to sleep, BAM gigantic thunderstorm | 17:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just my luck today | 17:55 |
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| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: sleep is for weaks ÖD | 17:57 |
| djszapi | :D | 17:57 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | hehe | 18:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | interesting, so it looks like in both of these MTC_NOS_READY cases | 18:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the CMT got flashed to 1.2, but the SW cert got left at 1.1 | 18:31 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | so the user had to flash everything except the CMT back to 1.1, and the CMT to 1.2 | 18:31 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | yay | 18:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | bug #1062 | 18:54 |
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| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1062 nor, ---, ---, marcell.lengyel, ASSI, libfcam-dev (camera control API) not available in Platform SDK | 18:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | apparently the next SDK is supposed to be shipping with libfcam-dev | 18:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, "next update to the SDK", not sure how substantial this will actually be | 18:55 |
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| pa | you mean qt sdk 1.3? | 19:45 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | pa: platform sdk i assume | 20:26 |
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| blueslee | how do i update the index for media files, my photos are not shown | 21:23 |
| phako | where? | 21:29 |
| blueslee | in the gallery (n9) | 21:29 |
| tehdely | music player is so batshit insane when it comes to track ordering | 21:29 |
| tehdely | if your album happens to be of the 'various artists' variety | 21:29 |
| tehdely | good luck getting it to play in order | 21:29 |
| tehdely | i'm suing Nokia!!! | 21:29 |
| blueslee | no, i will do that;-) | 21:30 |
| phako | -.- | 21:30 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82724 | 22:23 |
| phako | broken | 22:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh FFS | 22:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | tmo *just* went down, again | 22:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's been getting more and more frequent | 22:26 |
| phako | yeah, I was just posting and went back to search and it disappeared | 22:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it doesn't seem like ad-hac's received much attention :( though it's only useful for a very small audience | 22:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's like 3 regulars here from the us and therefore affected by the wifi hotspot lockout | 22:28 |
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| tehdely | itsnotabigtruck: here's your attention: "it works, thank you very much :)" | 22:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | :p | 22:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw tmo's back up | 22:31 |
| tehdely | i fled t-mo years ago | 22:31 |
| tehdely | for AT&T, of all things | 22:31 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | the other tmo >_> | 22:31 |
| tehdely | oh, in .de? | 22:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no, TMO here usually = talk.maemo.org | 22:32 |
| tehdely | oh | 22:32 |
| tehdely | lol | 22:32 |
| tehdely | i hear tmo i think T-Mobile ;P | 22:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, so do i :p | 22:32 |
| * itsnotabigtruck likes his $15 at&t data plan | 22:33 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's a shame t-mobile got rid of those lower cost contract-free plans a ways back | 22:33 |
| tehdely | i'm on data-pro | 22:33 |
| tehdely | $25/mo | 22:33 |
| tehdely | my other phone has the tether plan, cause work pays for it :> | 22:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | heh | 22:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you can probably put your line on media net and pay $10 less, but it might be tricky | 22:33 |
| tehdely | no need | 22:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | they started wisening up to that sort of thing a long time ago so it's probably not so easy anymore to get them to reclassify your line as not having a smartphone | 22:34 |
| tehdely | i had to switch to a micro-SIM when my N9 arrived | 22:35 |
| tehdely | and they actually insisted on having an IMEI to activate the SIM | 22:35 |
| tehdely | they know what i've got | 22:35 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | whereas a few years ago you could put your sim into a dumb-phone, call them up and tell them you're no longer using a smartphone, and give them your dumb-phone's imei | 22:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then enable data unlimited/media net and put the sim back in the smartphone | 22:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | even if you just bought a smartphone on contract | 22:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | a few years ago = before the iphone made data plans serious business | 22:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also strange...i got my microsim without even having the N9 with me | 22:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | tehdely: did you go to a corporate store or a franchisee | 22:39 |
| tehdely | corporate store | 22:39 |
| tehdely | the guy actually screwed up, too | 22:39 |
| tehdely | when i went to my office and unboxed the N9 and put the SIM in, the SIM wasn't activated | 22:39 |
| tehdely | had to do it over th ephone | 22:39 |
| tehdely | but he did actually scan the IMEI right off the box, at the store | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | you got strange business over there | 22:39 |
| rigo | :) was my reaction too | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | here nobody cares what phone you put your sim in | 22:40 |
| rigo | DocScrutinizer, they also pay to receive calls | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed :-P | 22:40 |
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| rigo | here works only as long as you don't go from one state to another. Before the Commission came down on them, the austrian providers took 3.50€ per minute for roaming | 22:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rigo: except that US phone plans usually come with zillions of domestic minutes anyway | 22:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the real ripoff is text messaging | 22:41 |
| rigo | ha! they know the youngsters | 22:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | with at&t, you get a choice between $0.25 per sms (in and out), or $15 to $20/mo for flat rate unlimited | 22:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | both are a scam, really | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | muhaha, pay for inbound SMS | 22:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | they used to have a few steps in between but they got rid of them in order to force everyone onto the expensive unlimited plan | 22:43 |
| rigo | hm, at current conversion rate that's equivalent to here :) | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | as if I had a choice | 22:43 |
| rigo | inbound???? | 22:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: yeah, that's the really evil thing | 22:43 |
| tehdely | i'm on a family plan with my work phone + my boyfriend's iPhone | 22:44 |
| tehdely | i actually get a pretty good eal | 22:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you can choose not to answer a call, but you get the text message whether you wanted it or not | 22:44 |
| tehdely | we share one plan with unlimited SMS, MMS, and mobile-to-any-mobile calling | 22:44 |
| tehdely | so even if they're not on AT&T the call is free | 22:44 |
| tehdely | really it just translates to unlimited, period, since i make so few calls that aren't to a mobile that they fall under whatever our minutes allotment is | 22:44 |
| tehdely | which is, i think, 700 | 22:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | tehdely: are you sure about that? i'm pretty sure "mobile to mobile" always means in-network | 22:44 |
| tehdely | no | 22:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but right now i have thousands of rollover minutes so it doesn't really matter | 22:44 |
| tehdely | this is a new thing | 22:44 |
| tehdely | mobile-to-ANY-mobile | 22:45 |
| tehdely | emphasis on "any" | 22:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hrm | 22:45 |
| tehdely | AT&T has been pulling out all the stops to keep customers, ever since Verizon got the iPhone | 22:45 |
| tehdely | they went: "oh shit! we're expensive as hell and our network is awful!" | 22:45 |
| tehdely | it would have been nice if they had realized or cared about that earlier, but no | 22:45 |
| rigo | have a nice WE all! | 22:46 |
| rigo | bye | 22:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | later rigo! | 22:46 |
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| tehdely | i'm goin' skiing :) | 22:46 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | anyone still on? | 23:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1112591&postcount=58 | 23:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | any idea how the rumored bit is stored on the N900? | 23:19 |
| pa | does harmattan support contact groups, so far? | 23:19 |
| phako | pa: define contact groups | 23:21 |
| phako | what capabilites should they have? | 23:22 |
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| pa | phako, it's a tag for the contact | 23:26 |
| pa | capability: filter by tag | 23:26 |
| phako | yes | 23:26 |
| pa | possibly multiple tag | 23:26 |
| pa | is it there? | 23:26 |
| phako | yes | 23:26 |
| pa | but is it synced with MfE? | 23:26 |
| phako | no | 23:26 |
| pa | shit.. | 23:26 |
| phako | MfE is a piece of crap | 23:26 |
| phako | protocol | 23:27 |
| pa | phako, but is it the only way to sync contacts on N9, isnt it? | 23:27 |
| phako | no. SyncML works | 23:27 |
| phako | but groups weren't synced there as well either | 23:27 |
| phako | might have changed after I left the contacts area | 23:27 |
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| pa | SyncML? i didnt get how to use it..under accounts i saw only MfE as option to sync contats | 23:28 |
| pa | cts | 23:28 |
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| pa | is it on "nokia account"? | 23:29 |
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| phako | er | 23:30 |
| phako | good question | 23:30 |
| pa | phako, i found this: | 23:32 |
| pa | http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Maemo-and-MeeGo-Devices/Why-no-SyncML-support-for-Harmattan/td-p/1212129 | 23:33 |
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| phako | Could be that SyncML only works between devices via "Synchronisation" and the Nokia account | 23:34 |
| pa | no comment.. | 23:35 |
| pa | :) | 23:35 |
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