IRC log of #harmattan for Wednesday, 2012-02-29

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SqRt7744has anyone gottent the dlna server working? I can enable it, but can't see it from other computers in the lan.00:06
Anssi138can't say that i have00:11
padoes anyone here have the cable to connect the N9 to tv?00:11
pahow much does it cost?00:12
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Anssi138quite normal standard nokia issue, not much. i got mine in n8 package.00:13
paah ok thanks00:13
Anssi138actually i had hdmi in n800:13
Anssi138i've probably got it in some older nokia phone.00:13
Anssi138i have one on the table beside me. it's
padoes the screen turns off when used on tv?00:15
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Anssi138funny thing that they don't mention that on their www-pages.00:18
pain the package it's mentioned00:18
pabut if the screen stays on, the battery would drain fast anyway00:19
Anssi138i think it was on, but it might be hackable.00:20
paif you press the standby button, does it keep playing?00:20
Anssi138..and it was always landscape so home is 90 degrees tilted.00:21
paand i wonder whether there's any aspect ratio correction00:22
Anssi138there is in settings.00:22
pai mean, if you plug on a 4:3 tv.. it would be pretty stretchyy00:22
paah good00:22
Anssi138settings ->external devices or something.00:23
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Anssi138i don't remember how it behaves when playing video.00:24
pait would be cool to use as video player.. over wifi00:25
pakmplayer lets play an URL00:25
Anssi138it should support dlna.
Anssi138haven't really play with it.00:27
Anssi138i couldn't see it on my network when i quickly tested it.00:27
paby the way, i read everywhere that N9 supports mkv00:27
pabut i couldnt open them00:27
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Avengenceinstalled PR1.2 on my N9 yesterday and now I have a few developer packages that I can't seem to update00:30
Anssi138can you remove those?00:31
Anssi138and re-install00:31
Avengenceremove with dpkg?00:33
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Anssi138well, dpkg -r <pkg> is probably what would try.00:35
Anssi138but it's always risky so i don't take any responsibility :)00:35
Anssi138or try to manually update first.00:36
Avengencedevtools-debug and devtools-memory are shown as "incompatible with current version"00:37
Avengenceall the rest of the devtools-* stuff was updated a week prior. those two i got a warning about at the time of accepting the ota update00:37
admiral0anyone here for lpsmagic?00:38
Avengencei figured they might get updated adter, so did the update, did all app updates, restarted, checked for updates again and another round of app updates, but those two devtools packages were untouched00:38
Avengencein the system settings under developer mode i have active Install buttons for Debugging and Resource usage analysis, but pushing either results in an error that dependencies can't be resolved after some waiting00:39
njsfDid anybody here had problems with fenix after PR1.2 ?00:39
njsffenix just won't launch00:40
njsftried even flash00:40
njsfduring backup restore it does launch00:40
njsfbut after the restore reboot it does not00:40
njsfany ideas?00:40
Avengencenjsf: turn on logging and see what it says00:41
njsfturn on which logging ?00:41
njsfany page with instructions on that?00:41
njsfI did try strace yesterday and it did die very early on00:42
njsfI'll try again now00:42
njsfsince now I did do a flash from the PR 1.2 firmware using flasher00:42
Avengencejust edit fenix.conf for now to see why its not starting. the other services on that page involve mail delivery so no need to turn on logging in them just yet00:43
njsfok thanks00:44
njsfWill try it00:44
njsfBTW, any quick way of restoring all apps from a backup?00:44
njsfon one attempt I did a reset settings00:44
njsfonly to find the restore to require to update the apps one by one :/00:44
njsfno, there is no restore all button00:45
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bluesleebug 123 is still unsolved in pr1.2!00:49
_MeeGoBot_Bug maj, Highest, ---, ext-risto.lahti, RESO DUPLICATE, accounts passwords are not remembered accross reboots00:50
Avengenceinteresting, according to dpkg, there are no such packages as devyools-debug or devtools-memory installed00:50
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Avengenceso where the hell is it looking to find the incompatible version installed00:51
amppauh, i really hate this font metrics change in pr 1.200:51
amppanative apps can switch easily while store apps have to support all firmwares00:52
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rm_workanyone here speak French?01:04
rm_worktrying to figure out what the word for "French" (as in, the Language) is in French :)01:05
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tehdelyhello all01:06
tehdelynew N9 is updated to PR1.2 (at 100% it told me the update was interrupted and failed, but was actually successful)01:06
tehdelydevel mode turned on, successfully sshed in, etc.01:06
tehdelyhow can i change the hostname?01:06
tehdelyRM696 is kinda... bland01:06
rm_workgood i guess :P01:06
tehdelyi tried putting something in /etc/hostname and rebooting but the hsotname is still RM69601:06
tehdelyand if i try to run 'hostname blah' to change it01:06
tehdelyit tells me hostname: sethostname: Operation not permitted01:07
tehdelyalso: are there other apt repos i can enable?  i would like to install some basic gnu tools on here01:07
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tehdelyi will set up a meego devel environment at some point but i'm imagining people have already compiled a lot of the stuff i'd need01:07
Avengenceargh, playing around in terminal... can't apt-get install the missing devtools packages. they depend on libc6-dbg which won't be installed as it says. ok, so try installing that, oops no go, version conflict, the libc6 is newer than the libc6-dbg so can't install the later. so, where to get updated libc6-dbg from? i would assume all this stuff is available by now but as usual something went horribly wrong on my phone01:08
JackaLXtehdely: a friend of mine told me something very similar with his update... his got to 99%, mentioned failed update, but then went on and everything _looked_ to be OK.  He has found that mail (fenix) no longer works.  How is that for you?01:08
tehdelyyou know, i haven't tried yet01:08
tehdelythe phone is so new, i haven't added a single account01:08
tehdelyi guess that would be a good place to start01:08
tehdelymy SOP with a symbian phone is to do a 3-finger salute once i've got the new OS installed, so everything is as Factory As Can Be01:09
tehdelybut something tells me that's not proper procedure with MeeGo01:09
tehdelyif i did the N9 equivalent of a 3-finger, would it reset to a clean PR1.2?01:09
tehdelyor would it be PR1.101:09
njsfJackaLX: thanks buddy ;)01:11
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tehdelyand where can i get an up-to-date libc6-dbg01:13
JackaLXnjsf: unfortunately my money will say that tehdely won't have the problem you've got because he's not used fenix before, so couldn't have any email db corruption yet01:13
JackaLXtehdely: to me, a "3 finger salute" is simply a reboot, so it really shouldn't reset anything01:14
Avengencetehdely: also seeing the outdated libc6-dbg issue?01:14
tehdelyAvengence: yes01:14
Avengencetehdely: you had all dev tools installed before update. anything else?01:15
tehdelyi had jsut the basic dev tools installed01:15
tehdelyonly what i needed to get a terminal01:15
tehdelyi didn't install any of the individual subpackages01:15
njsfAvengence: my Fenix problem is really really early01:16
njsfno logs are created following the instructions on that page01:16
njsfAhhh but running under ssh as developer does show some more stuff01:16
tehdelyi just set up a gmail account, let's see if i get some mails01:16
tehdelynow the real fun: MfE01:17
tehdelythis is my first maemo or meego device btw, so this is all very fun and new and exciting01:17
tehdelyi've been a linux sysadmin for years, and i've always used Symbian on my phones01:17
njsf MApplicationService: registerService() registering failed01:17
tehdelythis is the first device i feel like I 100% fully "Own"01:17
JackaLXtehdely: aegis will soon take that feeling away from you LOL01:18
tehdelytell me about this "aegis"01:18
JackaLXhave a look through the maemo and meego forums... terabytes of discussion and arguments there. :-)01:19
itsnotabigtrucktehdely: it's a mandatory access control system on the N901:19
itsnotabigtruckit doesn't work very well but it gets in your way a lot01:20
itsnotabigtruckit's not as bad as a lot of people make it sound01:20
tehdelyoh is it some nonsense in the baseband01:20
itsnotabigtruckbut it's certainly an obstacle01:20
itsnotabigtrucknah, it's not part of the baseband01:20
itsnotabigtruckit's mostly in the kernel01:20
tehdelywell then in theory i should be able to replace or disable it, no?01:20
tehdelycan we install our own kernels01:20
itsnotabigtruckyou can, it's called "open mode"01:21
tehdelytrès intéressant01:21
tehdelyhow do i enable this "open mode"01:21
itsnotabigtruckit displays a strongly worded disclaimer message every time you boot your phone and it's a little complicated to turn on01:21
tehdelyi demand enough rope to hang myself01:21
itsnotabigtruckalternately, you can wait for somebody to inevitably hack it01:21
JackaLXtehdely: my advice is before you start looking for ways to turn it off or circumvent aegis, see if you can get used to having it.01:21
tehdelyit's a deal01:22
tehdelynow can someone tell me how to set the damn hostname :)01:22
itsnotabigtruckedit /etc/hostname, reboot01:22
tehdelyitsnotabigtruck: did that, didn't work01:22
itsnotabigtruckaegis won't let you change it without rebooting01:22
itsnotabigtruckyou probably didn't actually reboot then01:23
tehdelywell i squeezed that dang power button01:23
itsnotabigtrucktry doing reboot from the terminal01:23
tehdelyand i got prompted for my SIM PIN again01:23
tehdelyok :)01:23
itsnotabigtruckwere you attached to the USB?01:23
tehdelyonly to a charger01:23
itsnotabigtrucksee, that's why01:23
itsnotabigtruck"turning it off" while attached to USB doesn't actually turn it off01:23
itsnotabigtruckit puts it into charge mode01:23
tehdelyalso, setting PermitRootLogin to yes in sshd_config and restarting sshd still didn't let me log on as root01:23
itsnotabigtruckbut it's actually still booted01:23
tehdelybut i decided that that was a reasonable restriction01:23
itsnotabigtruckand that's a restriction they added in PR1.101:23
itsnotabigtruckit doesn't add any security, it seems like they almost did it just to give users the finger01:24
tehdelycan i have passwordless su some way01:24
itsnotabigtruckbut you can just ssh into developer and do devel-su -s /bin/develsh01:24
tehdelyso what to do about this libc6-dbg issue01:24
tehdelybecause it's rpeventing me from installing some of the developer packages01:24
tehdelythe available version in the repos is outdated01:24
tehdelyit doesn't match the installed version of libc601:25
itsnotabigtruckif you're talking about something from the nokia SDK repo, be careful with that01:25
tehdelyso anything that depends on libc6-dbg won't install01:25
tehdely# apt-get install libc6-dbg01:25
itsnotabigtruckit hasn't been updated since PR1.0, and if you replace any system packages with things from there it can significantly screw things up (because of aegis)01:25
tehdely< snip >01:25
tehdelyThe following packages have unmet dependencies:01:25
tehdely  libc6-dbg: Depends: libc6 (= 2.10-0maemo18.1+0m6) but 2.10-0maemo20+0m7 is to be installed01:25
itsnotabigtruckalso you're not really supposed to put a development environment on the phone itself01:25
tehdelyi know01:25
itsnotabigtruckit can be done in theory but no one's made it work yet01:25
pathat was the expenses nokia had in the development of meego.. putting aegis there01:25
tehdelyi'm talking about installing some of the developer packages available right from the Settings menu though01:25
itsnotabigtruckthat includes -dbg packages01:25
tehdelysome of them won't install because of that broken dependancy01:25
itsnotabigtruckare you sure about that01:26
tehdelyand that dependancy is what's blocking it01:26
tehdelyi'm not the only one having that issue IIRC01:26
itsnotabigtruckok, this isn't what i thought you were doing01:26
itsnotabigtruckdefinitely sounds like a nokia repository screwup01:26
JackaLXtehdely: to enable ssh root login, add these 2 lines to the end of /etc/default/ssh: `mkdir -m 0755 -p /var/run/sshd' `exec /usr/sbin/sshd $SSHD_OPTS'01:26
tehdelyi've already kind of decided it's a bad idea, but i will keep that info in mind :)01:27
tehdelyok now basic harmattan question: i've enabled a few email accounts, but nothing shows up on the 'notifications' screen but the date01:27
itsnotabigtruckJackaLX: hah01:28
itsnotabigtruckthat's awesome01:28
tehdelyi can't wait to get an asterisk running locally01:29
tehdelyand install gogoc01:30
tehdelyand add some stuff in if-up.d to start up an IPv6 tunnel whenever it associates with an AP01:30
tehdelyi intend to have IPv6 in my pocket at all times, world-be-damned01:30
itsnotabigtruckspeaking of that i need to turn ipv6 back on01:32
tehdelyi need to see what the ipv6 stuff i installed actually does01:33
tehdelyi think it requires some sort of v6 apn to be configured01:33
itsnotabigtrucki know it works on wifi01:33
tehdelyif i have not bricked this phone by the end of the day I Am Doing It Wrong01:33
itsnotabigtrucki tested it on campus01:33
tehdelyitsnotabigtruck: so when i take it home, it will autoconfigure?\01:33
JackaLXtehdely: lol01:33
itsnotabigtruckyeah, it will01:33
itsnotabigtruckand lol^201:33
tehdelyJackaLX: so, once i have bricked it01:33
tehdelywhat is the equivalent of the "oh god help get me back to factory settings"01:34
itsnotabigtrucktehdely: flasher01:34
tehdelyon symbian i squeeze a coupla buttons and all my stuff gets erased01:34
tehdelyah, so it's like that01:34
tehdelythat's Real, yo01:34
itsnotabigtruckdon't bother with the reset button in the menu01:34
itsnotabigtruckit doesn't do a comprehensive reset01:34
tehdelyno i imagine i will break it to the point where there is no menu, and no button01:34
tehdelyhow easy is it to set up a cross-compile/dev environment for this phone01:34
itsnotabigtruckuse NAVIFIRM to grab the two large .bin files for your phone01:34
JackaLXyeah, flasher,  but there's a gotcha... you can't "downgrade" and the 1.2 images are not yet available for download from Navifirm and whatnot01:34
tehdelyanyone doing it on a Mac?01:34
itsnotabigtruck(easier if you have a windows box around)01:34
itsnotabigtruckJackaLX: they are now01:35
tehdelyJackaLX: they're in navifirm, i already checked01:35
JackaLXitsnotabigtruck: oh, are they? cool!01:35
itsnotabigtruckthen install flasher 3.12.101:35
* JackaLX is off to leech 1.201:35
njsfJackaLX: not the Oz ones01:35
tehdelyso, anyone developing from a Mac?01:35
itsnotabigtruckthen you do these 4 commands01:35
tehdelysweet, hostname change took01:35
itsnotabigtruckflasher -i, flasher -f -F main.bin, flasher -f -F emmc.bin, flasher -R01:35
njsfunless MEA can fit01:35
JackaLXnjsf: oh, that'd be just my luck01:35
njsfbut previously there was an Oz specific one01:35
itsnotabigtruckbefore starting any of that, you need to disconnect from usb THEN power off the phone01:36
njsfI am using ROW01:36
tehdelyi'm stoked, my phone has a scandinavian product code01:36
itsnotabigtruckthen you run the -i command01:36
tehdelyso i imagine it'll get upgrades right quick01:36
itsnotabigtruckthen you attach the phone01:36
njsfwhich from what I can see is the same as the GLOBAL one01:36
itsnotabigtrucktehdely: got that?01:36
njsfwhich is a new variant now01:36
tehdelyitsnotabigtruck: yes01:36
* tehdely pastes into txt file01:36
tehdely$ cat > crap/once-i-brick-it01:37
itsnotabigtruckalso, you can skip the emmc step, that step nukes your user data01:37
tehdelyi love this01:37
tehdelya hackable phone that's actually pretty and usable01:37
tehdelywho ever knew the two would collide01:37
itsnotabigtruckif you've really hosed stuff up it's good to wipe it, but you don't have to01:37's not quite as hackable as the N900 was, which is probably why there's so much angst about aegis01:38
itsnotabigtruckbut it's still more hackable than anything else on the market, i think01:38
tehdelywell, they were intending to make it their primary platform01:38
tehdelyso i guess i can see why something like this mysterious 'aegis' wound up in there01:38
tehdelymaybe now that they're all giddy with LUMIA they'll open up the N9 a bit more ;)01:38
SpeedEvilAegis was being developed at the same time as the n900.01:38
itsnotabigtruckSpeedEvil: but nokia was planning to make meego/maemo6 the star of the show for quite a while01:39
SpeedEvilBefore meego.01:39
itsnotabigtruckwell, that's basically a rebranding01:39
itsnotabigtruckfor all intents and purposes it seems the meego merger never actually happened01:40
itsnotabigtruckso what they were going to launch with all along was maemo601:40
itsnotabigtruckwhich ended up having some meego stuff stirred in01:40
tehdelyinteresting, sshd stopped accepting my key01:41
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tehdelythat is some interesting ssh behavior01:41
itsnotabigtruckwhat happened?01:41
tehdelynever mind01:41
tehdelyhow can i get a real shell on ehre01:42
tehdelyi want bash01:42
itsnotabigtruckit's in the nokia sdk repo, though you can't install directly from there anymore starting from PR1.201:45
itsnotabigtruckalso due to aegis i'm not sure if that's an awesome idea01:46
JackaLXitsnotabigtruck: what do you mean by "can't install directly"01:47
itsnotabigtruckif you add the apt repo to the list and try to install, aegis blocks it01:48
itsnotabigtruckdue to yet another improperly implemented "security" feature01:48
itsnotabigtruckthere was a minor outcry about a week ago01:48
JackaLXis there a "fix" yet?01:48
tehdelylooks like it's related01:48
_MeeGoBot_Bug 978 maj, High, ---, ext-lavanya.alamuri, ASSI, Platform SDK repository lacks APT signature - incompatible with PR1.201:48
JackaLXdoes this affect things like rzr and appsformeego?01:50
itsnotabigtruckJackaLX: appsformeego is signed01:51
itsnotabigtruckrzr is not signed, and can't be signed because OBS is messed up, but it doesn't matter because the "security feature" bug has another bug that causes it to work anyway when it shouldn't01:52
tehdelyok so do non-aegis kernels exist01:52
tehdelyi want to build a kernel where all the aegis module does is return 101:53
tehdelyhey can i do this? YES how about this? SURE01:53
itsnotabigtrucktehdely: turning off aegis entirely would break a lot of stuff unless done very carefully, because it adds capabilities and sets uids for things01:53
tehdelyso it's a real beast01:53
itsnotabigtruckdocscrutinizer made a patch for pr1.1's kernel that does basically what you said01:53
itsnotabigtruckit makes aegis allow everything always01:53
itsnotabigtruckpr1.2 kernel source isn't out yet so that can't be done yet01:54
tehdelyi'm calling the FSF ! ! ! ! !01:54
itsnotabigtruckhowever, if you enable open mode, you can install a shell that gives you all access01:54
tehdelydoes that access percolate down to the binaries you run, though?01:54
itsnotabigtruckit depends on the access type01:54
itsnotabigtruckcertain privileges are origin-restricted01:55
tehdelyi remember fondly the first time i got my rogue chinese 15-capability dev cert for a symbian device01:55
tehdelythis is reminding me of that lool01:55
itsnotabigtruckthe practical effect of that if that if you install that open shell, you can't run anything directly that isn't supplied by nokia01:55
itsnotabigtruckhaha, i got one of those too01:55
itsnotabigtruckso opensh -c './haxorscript' = bad01:56
itsnotabigtruckopensh -c 'sh ./haxorscript' = good01:56
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itsnotabigtruckopensh -c 'aegis-exec -d tcb ./haxorscript' = also good (i think)01:57
tehdelyso, regarding that sdk repo01:58
tehdelyif i download individual debs from it01:58
itsnotabigtruckthen it'll work, yeah01:58
tehdelycan i install those, or will it still whine about them being unsigned01:58
tehdelyok great01:58
itsnotabigtrucknote that since they aren't signed it'll consider them to be equivalent to any unsigned whatever you might install01:58
itsnotabigtruckso opensh -c 'bash ./haxorscript' = bad01:58
tehdelyoh this sholud be fun01:59
tehdelyi'll have to manually assemble dependancies, won't it01:59
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tehdelygood times01:59
aquariusOK, I'm a little confused; I was looking into whether I can build phonegap apps for N9, and there are about half a dozen github projects which seem to have started on this, and there's phonegap-for-qt5, and... which, if any, would be best to use? Or is there not a working phonegap for n9 yet? :)01:59
tehdelywhat is the url to the actual, current dev repo02:00
itsnotabigtruckdeb harmattan/sdk free non-free02:02
itsnotabigtruckthat only includes the open source stuff, not the nokia proprietary stuff02:02
itsnotabigtruckbut the nokia proprietary stuff is mostly old versions of what's on the phone02:02
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tehdelywow the spotify app is way nicer than the one on symbian02:03
tehdelythat's a ... pleasant surprise02:03
tehdelynow how do i enable swype02:03
itsnotabigtruckit's buried in the options02:05
itsnotabigtrucklook for text input02:05
itsnotabigtruckit's in with the time settings02:05
itsnotabigtruckbe advised that you have to turn it on in TWO places in the optionspage02:05
tehdelyok so how do i bypass aegis with dpkg02:05
itsnotabigtruckyou don't, /usr/bin/dpkg is actually part of aegis02:06
tehdelybut you said i could manually install an unsigned package02:06
tehdelyor someone did02:06
itsnotabigtruckaegis lets you install unsigned packages02:06
itsnotabigtruckthe only restriction is that a) you can't ask for privileges beyond the ones you get in develsh02:07
tehdelyso i won't be able to do much with the 'bash' i am about to install02:07
tehdelyin any case, how to install this deb02:07
itsnotabigtruckb) you can't inherit origin-controlled privileges that you didn't/couldn't ask for02:07
tehdelythat's actually not a bad design02:08
itsnotabigtrucksure, you can do lots of comment about "origin-controlled privileges" isn't relevant unless you go openmode or use some kind of hack02:08
tehdelyso, no answer on installing this unsigned .deb?02:09
itsnotabigtruckanswer is yes, it'll work fine02:09
tehdelyno, it's not letting me02:09
itsnotabigtruckdpkg -i foo.deb and you're done02:09
itsnotabigtruckwhat's the error?02:09
tehdely# dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/bash_4.1-3\+maemo6\+0m6_armel.deb02:09
tehdelyAegis rejecting /var/cache/apt/archives/bash_4.1-3+maemo6+0m6_armel.deb: package 'bash' origin cannot be determined  -- signature check failed02:09
tehdelyaegis aborting dpkg -- all listed package files rejected02:09
tehdelyCompilation failed in require.02:09
itsnotabigtruckif you added that deb line i gave you, that's the pr1.2 bug02:09
itsnotabigtrucki shouldn't have given you the deb line02:09
itsnotabigtrucktake that out and apt-get update02:09
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itsnotabigtruckthen dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/bash_4.1-3+maemo6+0m6_armel.deb if it's still there02:10
tehdelyso just having the repo enabled causes it to fail02:10
itsnotabigtruckexactly, because aegis knows about APT repo signatures, but they broke it in pr1.202:10
itsnotabigtruckso having the APT list there causes it to go down a logic path that'll bomb out with that error02:10
tehdelywell alright, i'm sure they'll fix it eventually02:11
tehdelynow for someone to update the damn libc6-dbg package so i can install the rest of the developer tools02:11
itsnotabigtruckand supposedly this is some sort of security improvement02:11
tehdelyactually, if i just download it and do dpkg -i --force-deps or w/e02:11
itsnotabigtruckdon't ask me to explain how02:11
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tehdelythat may work02:11
itsnotabigtruckthat might also cause problems later on02:11
itsnotabigtruckapt could get angry02:11
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tehdelyyeah, even if i forcibly install the file with dpkg, apt won't install anything that depends on it02:25
tehdelyfuckin apt02:25
tehdelytypical debian anal-retentiveness02:25
Avengenceat least they didnt make the switch to rpm02:29
tehdelyi would have prefered it, actually02:29
tehdelyeasier to build rpms, easier to create/browse repositories, tools are less anal02:29
tehdelyi always tend to end up on the Red Hat side of any philosophical divide though02:30
Avengencei always had more trouble with rpm distros than deb distros, though i dont much like binary distros of any sort02:30
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* itsnotabigtruck is really glad it uses .debs02:34
itsnotabigtruckthe debian package build tools are really good02:34
itsnotabigtruckfor one02:35
itsnotabigtrucka little bit more magic than they should be, but they work02:35
tehdelyi'll take a spec file over that nonsense any day02:38
tehdelySHOMER SHABBOS!02:38
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itsnotabigtruckanyone around?04:09
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JackaLXitsnotabigtruck: I am, sorta, but I'm willing to bet good money that you want someone a lot more knowledgable than me :-)04:13
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JackaLXwhat you were saying about unsigned repos... I'm wondering if I should disable any I have before updating to PR1.2?04:22
JackaLXMy thinking is that the update is going to cause a pile of apps to want to be updated afterwards, so things could get nasty, yeah?04:23
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itsnotabigtruckJackaLX: i don't think that's a problem, but apparently 3rd party repos were causing trouble with SSUing04:27
itsnotabigtrucki'd recommend flashing instead of SSUing04:27
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itsnotabigtruckless risky, faster, leaves you with a clean system - but it does wipe all your apps and whatnot of course04:27
itsnotabigtruckwell, i don't know about less risky, byut less likely to fail anyway04:28
JackaLXok, I'm not up on all the acronyms.  What is "SSU"?04:29
TronicOver the air upgrade.04:29
Tronic(can't remember what the letters stand for)04:29
JackaLXah, I just call that "OTA"04:29
villagerSSU=seamless software upgrade04:30
villager(or update, whatever)04:30
JackaLXvillager: cool, thanks04:30
villagerhmm yeah, according to google it's update, not upgrade04:31
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itsnotabigtruckhm, i always thought the first s was system04:32
itsnotabigtrucksystem software upgrade04:32
villageranyway, it means on-the-fly (or over-the-air) update without flashing04:32
itsnotabigtruckit's like a dist-upgrade on debian but that works a lot better than SSU on the N904:33
villagersomething like that04:35
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JackaLXso, update via SSU is slower and more prone to failure, but I get to keep all my apps/data/whatnot, vs update via flashing... faster, less prone to failure, but lose my apps and shit?  hmm, I think I'm leaning toward SSU really04:42
villagercertainly easiest to try SSU first and only flash if that fails04:44
itsnotabigtruckyeah, sounds about right04:45
itsnotabigtruckyou can always flasher it later04:45
tehdelymy update experience with SSU was that it went to 100%04:46
tehdelyclaimed to have failed04:46
tehdelybut does not in fact appear to have failed04:46
tehdelyi guess i can live with it04:46
JackaLXindeed.  think I'll keep the flashing for emergencies.  Besides, I'm all out of boiled lollies :-)04:46
tehdelymy other first impression is that the N9 is kinda slow.  and warm.  and messageserver likes to consistently eat up a lot of CPU04:46
tehdelyi imagine that has something to do with the warmth04:46
tehdelyi'm not optimistic about battery life either04:46
itsnotabigtrucktehdely: let tracker index stuff for a while04:47
tehdelyi guess tha'ts what i get for adding 3 push email accounts, facebook and twitter04:47
tehdelywhat's tracker... is that some sort of systemwide search?04:47
itsnotabigtruckSSUing resets tracker (filesystem indexer)04:47
itsnotabigtrucka lot of people here really dislike it04:47
tehdelyhow do i see if it's running04:47
tehdelyalso: where can i look at logs04:47
tehdelythere's not much useful info in syslog04:47
tehdelyi'm assuming apps are logging someplace04:47
JackaLXoh damn, that messageserver eating all the CPU was supposed to be fixed in 1.204:47
itsnotabigtruckmost stuff doesn't log04:47
JackaLXdon't tell me they haven't licked that04:47
itsnotabigtrucka lot of stuff can be made to log more using documented or undocumented flags in various places04:48
tehdelyit's keeping my phone nice and toasty, JackaLX04:48
JackaLXtehdely: lol04:48
itsnotabigtrucktehdely: apt-get install htop04:48
tehdelyis there any way to make the lock screen less plain, btw?04:48
itsnotabigtruckthen htop04:48
JackaLXtehdely: sadly toasty == RAPID batt drain04:48
tehdelyJackaLX: oh yeah i know04:48
itsnotabigtruckand there's lpsmagic - awesome app but it doesn't work on PR1.2 yet04:48
tehdelyoh wow strace is available04:49
tehdelyrock on04:49
itsnotabigtruckyep, but you can only strace something with lesser aegis capability04:49
itsnotabigtruckso always do that from develsh04:49
tehdelyoperation not permitted04:50
tehdelyi'm already in develsh04:50
itsnotabigtrucktehdely: anyway, fire up htop and see what's going on04:51
itsnotabigtruckif the cpu isn't being consumed by tracker, then flash it04:51
tehdelytracker's definitely doin some stuff04:51
tehdelyit is consistnetly trading places with messageserver04:52
tehdelyactually nah04:52
tehdelymessageserver is the clear abuser here04:52
befordN9 Y U NO SHOW ME PR1.2!?04:52
tehdelyit's using up everything it can get04:52
tehdelymaybe tha'ts why the phone is so slow04:52
itsnotabigtruckbeford: flash it04:52
tehdelyyeah i should probably flash it04:53
tehdelyJust To Be Sure04:53
tehdelyi imagine i'll be doing plenty of that04:53
tehdelycan i flash it from OS X?04:53
JackaLXI'm really disappointed to hear that messageserver is still being a pig.  I've been hang out for that to be fixed04:54
infobotJackaLX meant: I'm really disappointed to hear that messageserver is still being a pig.  I've been \&ing out for that to be fixed04:54
tehdelyis the source for messager server available04:54
tehdelyor is that component proprietary04:54
JackaLXoh bot clever, but not quite04:55
infobotitsnotabigtruck meant: \0zombie04:55
itsnotabigtruckok, so no metacharacters04:56
itsnotabigtruckas for osx flashing: not sure04:57
_MeeGoBot_Bug 198 maj, Highest, ---, ext-risto.lahti, REOP, Messageserver with high CPU utilization and mail is not sync'd.04:57
befordhey itsnotabigtruck, how is 1.2 performing for you ?04:57
itsnotabigtruckbeford: well04:57
itsnotabigtruckit wasn't performing so well when i tried loading a hacked N950 firmware on my N904:57
itsnotabigtruckbut the proper release is doing great04:57
itsnotabigtruckbtw don't try that, for one the N950 firmware hardwires the battery management entity to the wrong battery type04:58
itsnotabigtruckso you can't charge04:58
JackaLXthat'd make the experience rather, erm, limited :-)04:59
tehdelywow there is some drama in that thread05:00
tehdelyis that... typical for the harmattan bug tracker?05:00
villagerJackaLX: well, tehdely did say that his update may not have been clean, since it claimed to have failed, so perhaps it is fixed, just wasn't upgraded properly?05:00
JackaLXvillager: I'll keep my fingers crossed then05:00
JackaLXtehdely: I think it is not all that uncommon unfortunately :-(05:01
JackaLXI do feel sorry for the Nokia people at times05:01
tehdelyhave the vibes been worse since the Burning Platform Memo05:01
tehdelyor is it just open source users demonstrating their typical entitlement complex ;)05:01
itsnotabigtruckit's complicated05:02
itsnotabigtruckfirst, you have entitled users (i've probably been more than a little guilty of that sometimes on this irc)05:02
itsnotabigtrucksecond, you have nokia employees that are probably more than a little bit worried with harmattan being slowly shut down05:03
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itsnotabigtruckand even if they want to make stuff better, there's so much self-imposed bureaucracy there that it's difficult to do so05:03
tehdelyinterestingly, i met a nokia employee as i was picking up my phone from the mailbox today05:04
tehdelyit was the most random thing in the world05:04
tehdelyi am quite far from finland05:04
itsnotabigtruckbut third, there seems also seems to be a lot of half-baked code going into certain components, and little effort to fix them05:04
tehdelyso to be picking up my n9 in san francisco and chatting about it with the clerk, then to hear the person behind me say "that was a great choice"05:04
tehdelyand find out he was responsible for a lot of the Symbian Belle UI05:04
tehdelywas pretty awesome05:05
tehdelylike, what are the odds05:05
tehdelyand on that note i gotta roll05:05
JackaLXtehdely: wow, that's cool05:05
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djszapiX-Fade: lbt do we have qtonpi target on (c-)obs ?05:47
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merlin1991DocScrutinizer: just throw them a bone, will ya?
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djszapiqronic: did you get your kernel update issue fixed ?07:08
tehdelyok, so disabling GMail seems to have sorted out the messageserver issue07:12
tehdelywhich is pretty much spot on with what people were syaing, which is that it seems to happen with IMAP accounts07:13
tehdelyi don't have time to reflash tonight07:13
tehdelybut i can get by without GMail for the time being07:13
tehdelymaybe i'll try adding it as an Exchange account07:13
tehdelyi already have two of those and they're working great07:13
tehdelywhat is the keychain architecture like on here?  obviously it stores passwords and the like.  any way i can hook into it?07:16
tehdelyi would love to have ssh-agent add a few passworded keys on boot, and store the passwords in the system keychain, whatever that looks like07:16
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DocScrutinizermerlin1991: done08:28
merlin1991DocScrutinizer:  thanks :)08:30
njsfwhere is the email stored ?08:35
njsfafter PR 1.2 the restore refuses to restore the email backup (in addition to fenix not launching)08:36
njsfso I suspect the db is corrupted08:36
njsfbut I can't find anywhere reference of where the  email is stored08:36
njsfAlso, restore now seems to not be able to restore ANY of the apps08:37
njsfI am at wits end08:37
njsfa day wasted on this08:37
JackaLXnjsf: I'm trying to locate it... not in obvious places.08:48
DocScrutinizerstrace is your friend08:52
DocScrutinizeror a simple find08:53
villagerI'll bet it's stored in Tracker08:53
DocScrutinizerto spot recently changed files08:53
DocScrutinizermodulo any attachments which for sure are not stored in tracker08:54
DocScrutinizeraaah, try grep08:54
DocScrutinizerthere should be sufficient number of unique strings in any of your mails08:55
merlin1991emails is stored in tracker08:55
DocScrutinizerfriggin idiocy08:57
DocScrutinizerNokia reinventing the filesystem paradigm08:58
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: even better tracker-db isn't properly persistant08:58
DocScrutinizerhonestly, each time I touch HARM I feel nausea08:58
merlin1991you can't reset it without losing your email08:58
merlin1991but screwed image / video indexing would be in the tracker db aswell08:59
* DocScrutinizer heads out to bathroom, throwing up a little bit09:00
DocScrutinizerjust waiting for the moment they leak their binned plans for HARM2.0 - probably they planned to store executable binaries in trackerdb as well09:02
DocScrutinizerthen make sqlite a kernel module and hooray we're there09:03
tehdelylol sqlite in kernel09:05
tehdelyinteresting, finally found an explanation as to why Nokia disables hotspot for US users09:06
tehdelyapparently it is to comply with FCC regulations09:06
DocScrutinizertehdely: sure, what else? when you are using trackerdb like a filesystem, you should have the fs-driver in kernel09:06
tehdelyi ran into that today09:06
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villagernah, make tracker provide a fuse filesystem, for maximum inefficiency09:07
DocScrutinizerooh, yeah09:07
tehdelyi'm feelin' that one bro09:08
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DocScrutinizerhas stskeeps ever published one of his teardowns "percentage of closed stuff" for HARM?09:11
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lbtX-Fade: not yet10:44
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Avengencewonderful, xchat just crashed11:09
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djszapilbt: wanted to reply to my question ?11:15
Avengenceso there goes the scrollback with any news on the libc6-dbg issue11:15
Avengencesince the pr1.2 update, I'm seeing high battery use at idle. jumped from 37ma to 92ma according to battery meter. anyone else see idle consumption increase with 1.2?11:16
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jonniAvengence: have you looked top or ps -aux to see what it eating the memory. And right after the update it will take some more cpu because it rebuilding the indexes etc, so is the idle consuption still high after 24 hours etc?11:18
rigowAvengence, for me it is the opposite, I have less battery consumption. Usual suspects are homepage widgets and Skype IMHO, have you looked at that? Disabled skype and disabled widgets on homepage?11:19
djszapijonni: shouldn't you be on holidays ? :D11:19
Avengencejonni: looked at top and nothing eating much cpu but didnt really look at memory. i rebooted more than once since the upgrade and have now gone through several charge/discharge cycles and am seeing consistently shorter battery life11:20
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lbtdjszapi: yeah - sry. misread it:)11:20
alteregolbt: was it you that pointed me to the FOSCAMs?11:20
OrmodAfter pr 1.2 my annoyance was that it killed my contacts (that originally came from exchange).. and refuses to get contacts or calendar entries from exchange at all11:20
lbtalterego: probably - especially if they're working out :)11:21
* lbt has a tilt+swivel one which he siliconed all the holes up and mounted outside11:22
alteregolbt: I was wondering if you'd be interested in testing my Harmattan foscam viewer app at some point ;)11:22
Milhouseinteresting... the N9/PR1.2 account-plugin-skype package doesn't work with N950/PR1.2beta11:22
lbtalterego: I'd need a Harmattan device :(11:22
alteregolbt: you don't have one?!11:22
jonniMilhouse: ofcourse it doesnt, you are not allowed to mix and match N9 binaries with N950 binaries11:22
Milhousejonni: errrr... why do you think people have been installing this package since PR1.1?11:23
lbtalterego: I kinda mentioned that but it never worked out.... I have an N950 for Nemo so maybe I'll get that dual-booting now we can11:23
alteregoOh dear.11:23
jonniMilhouse: ;), and most likely it doesnt work on purpose.11:23
Milhousejonni: The N9/PR1.1 account-plugin-skype package works fine with N950/PR1.1 and PR1.2beta11:23
alteregolbt: well, I'll compile it for Nemo then ;)11:23
Milhousejust the new one doesn't (or at least, it won't allow you to sign up an account)11:24
alteregolbt: out of curiosity, what do you use as your primary handset?11:24
lbtah, now that would be cool11:24
alteregoOld school :)11:24
lbtI love it :)11:24
leinirHehe, gave mine to my little sister :)11:24
leinirShould check in with her, really, ask how she's getting along with it ;)11:24
djszapilbt isn't Nemo okay for you as a daily phone then ?11:25
jonniMilhouse: my guess is that there is only skype license to work in N9 consumer device, and no license to work with N950 developer device. Just a guess, I have no real info on that.11:25
alteregoMy brother gave me back a Lumia 800, not sure what I'll do with it now.11:25
lbtdjszapi: not quite - SMSes are a problem11:25
alteregoHe said he thought it was crap compared to the N90011:25
lbtalterego: I'm ebaying mine11:25
leinir*giggles* Well, it is :)11:25
lbtso I can buy an N911:25
alteregoAnd he's a gamer and not even that much of a nerd, but seems the N900 has affected him in some way.11:26
alteregoSo he got an Android :/11:26
alteregolbt: sounds like a great plan :)11:26
djszapilbt: what are the problem with SMSes, if I may ask ?11:26
lbtdjszapi: you can't read them :)11:26
lbtthe sms screen shows "3 messages"11:26
leinirit'll become relevant to me once it gets updated to Apollo or whatever WP8-with-native-app-support is going to be called ;)11:26
lbtyou tap - it shows "send sms" ....!!!11:27
lbtif you touch the top of the screen (status bar) the list of smses drops down over the edit screen11:27
lbtjust a bug11:27
djszapimmh, I see.11:28
* djszapi should port some KDE app to Nemo11:29
thpwhat's the font called in the screens that appear on an empty application? (e.g. "Import contacts", etc..)11:29
leinirthp: isn't that nokia pure light?11:30
djszapilbt: are there plans for qt5 on Nemo ?11:30
alteregoI think it is the "Nokia Pure" font in bold.11:31
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lbtMer Release Engineering minutes11:33
lbtnotice it's an open meeting, held in public .... just sayin'11:33
thpleinir: that's what i tried setting.. but pure light is still too bold11:34
djszapilbt: yeah vgrade mentioned that on the plasma active channel before the meeting, but I did not unfortunately have time :/11:34
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rigowanybody experience with ?11:40
JaffaWow, my idle current has gone down to 44mA after disabling Gmail always-up-to-date.11:41
rigowblame the NSA :)11:42
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djszapirigow: what do you need ?11:42
JaffaAvengence: Yes, I saw increased idle current with PR1.2; but I never had it as low as 39mA with PR1.1. Only things in background are MeeCast widget & Calendar Feed. However setting Gmail to sync every 20 minutes, rather than always-up-to-date has reduced it to 44mA from over 100-150mA yesterday (despite numerous reboots and checking for wild messageserver processes)11:44
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thpleinir: actually it's Light, you are right - had to set font.weight: Font.Light (didn't work with setting the family to 'Nokia Pure Light')11:50
Hq`uhh... "down to 44mA"?11:53
Hq`I'm having idle current of < 10 mA11:53
rigowdjszapi, nothing, haven't tried yet. Just if others have tried to install11:54
Hq`only saw it jump to >40 when something got stuck11:54
djszapirigow: yes, they tried.11:54
djszapisee the kde-mobile mailing list please.11:54
djszapiit seems to be working on Harmattan11:54
rigowon PR 1.2?11:54
rigowI'm on the mailing-list, but haven't had feedback on PR 1.2 so far11:55
djszapino PR1.2 feedback, no.11:55
djszapirZr: please respect the debian 3.0 format. Like here:
djszapiand what are the reasons for having distinct versions, btw ?11:57
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rigowthanks djszapi, I will wait. Don't want to mess up my phone with --force-overwrite. I will ask them11:59
djszapiI personally tested even on PR1.3 :)11:59
ninnnuWill there be PR1.3? I thought 1.2 was going to be the last one?12:00
JaffaHq`: Have you got any IM accounts enabled?12:01
Hq`Jaffa: no, I usually keep them offline12:02
rantomninnnu: If I remember correctly there was a thread in and it stated that there'd be 1.3 but it'd more or less minor fixes, not a feature pack12:02
rantomAs was 1.212:02
jreznikninnnu: as I know 1.3 is already tagged12:03
JaffaHq`: Do you therefore only have a data connection when you need one?12:03
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rigowdjszapi and it didn't break stuff?12:03
Hq`Jaffa: my data connection is always on, though12:03
djszapirigow: well, the kontact ui is not really mobile friendly anyway12:04
djszapibut that is just my two cents.12:04
rigowdjszapi, this is a minor caveat if I can finally synchronize my stuff between laptop and phone12:04
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djszapiwhy don't you have a simple console util for that ?12:06
JaffaHq`: Interesting. SSH?12:07
rigowdjszapi, do you mean to synchronize? I would have to synchronize with the nokia tools on the phone. Dunno whether that works12:09
djszapirigow: depends on what you need to sync, but rsync is also an option for certain cases. If it is something very hot feature available only in Kontact, you might wanna file a bug report to establish a cli util for that since it does not seem too Ui specific thing :)12:10
rigowsure, but I haven't figured yet where to file the bug reports for harmattan. This clearly looks like an option12:12
Hq`Jaffa: yeah, for ssh... the idling data connection seems to use a quite minor amount of power (2-3mA, rough estimate)12:12
djszapirigow: it is not a harmattan bugreport...sounds like an upstream KDE Pim / Kontact.12:12
ShadikkaOh for the love of... Found the reason why I couldn't update to PR1.2 on N9. Apparently libgee2 and libmagic1 aren't signed, but are required by some packages, and of course Aegis won't let me install them.12:15
rigowoh yes, I think the PIM-mobile guys are much more responsive than the others :) But I see now that I have to figure that out on my own. I also need to resolve things with SoGO, but this week is already full of non-technical stuff :/12:15
djszapiShadikka: it is not neccesarily true12:16
djszapiaegis-install only rejects the broken repository packages for installation, like the "Nokia SDK".12:16
ShadikkaWell, at least that's where apt-get dist-upgrade stops :)12:16
djszapithere are basically two advices for the failures so far:12:16
qronicdoes anybody know where I can download the flasher that can unpack fiasco images?12:17
djszapi1) Restore the factory state of the repositories in your /etc/apt/ source lists12:17
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djszapi2) /sbin/reboot -u for kernel failures and perhaps for others.12:17
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djszapiqronic: what exactly do you need out of the raw kernel image ?12:17
ShadikkaIf somebody could point me at what the factory state of the sources lists are, I would highly appreciate it.12:17
djszapiShadikka: aegis + osa12:18
djszapiI will put a wikipage together soon...12:18
djszapi/etc/apt/sources.list.d/ -> the basic state is the aegis.ssu-keyring-XXX.list and osa.list12:18
ShadikkaThank you. And /etc/apt/sources.list?12:19
djszapiI do not have such a file.12:19
ShadikkaOkay, I have harmattan/sdk stuff there.12:19
djszapithat is a broken repository.12:19
djszapibug 97812:19
_MeeGoBot_Bug maj, High, ---, ext-lavanya.alamuri, ASSI, Platform SDK repository lacks APT signature - incompatible with PR1.212:19
ShadikkaThank you. :)12:20
djszapiyw =)12:20
qronicdjszapi, I wonder where the initrd is stored?12:20
djszapiqronic: not expert in this area sorry, but I can forward the questions internally to others...if nobody knows here.12:22
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qronicif it's not hard, I'd appreciate it12:25
Milhousecan anyone send me a link to the "standard" lock screen wallpaper? seem to have lost it on my newly flashed n950 :(12:26
Milhouseby standard i mean the blue/watery one12:26
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djszapihi Venemo_N95012:36
Venemo_N950hey djszapi :)12:37
Venemo_N950I tested Kanagram12:37
Venemo_N950it's awesome12:37
djszapicool you enjoyed12:38
djszapiI will bring Hungarian translation in the next version too12:38
djszapialso, damn lucky guys at MWC getting a playbook for free :D :D12:38
* djszapi is envy a lot12:39
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Venemo_N950you got a free exopc, didn't you?12:40
djszapiI would change my two exopcs for a playbook though12:40
* djszapi loves the QNX kernel12:40
Venemo_N950why is that?12:42
djszapiit was way simpler to develop device drivers, at least for me, back then than for linux12:43
djszapiit is all like developing a user space application.12:43
djszapiand the qnx kernel imho addressed many issues that were not possible later as the linux kernel was evolving12:43
Venemo_N950so qnx is better than linux?12:44
djszapiof course it is a flameway topic, so handle my my opinion just as personal opinion ;)12:49
Venemo_N950ok :)12:49
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* gri feels bored ... lala :/13:05
RST38hbored? sacrifice a mammal to the Tentacled One!13:09
griIs this a quote from "day of the tentacle"?13:11
leinirBless His noodly appendage!13:19
griWhat's the best way to make a qt-components compatible application for many platforms (maemo5, harmattan, symbian, android)? Either importing Qt.labs.components.native and messing around with platform stuff in your code OR writing my own components that simply import the platform ones and adjust the styles to fit? (or nobody understand what I am talking about)13:26
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djszapigri: well normally you need a distinct ui anyway13:38
djszapimeaning a different code, why not use always the best on the desired platform (preferrably a component set) ?13:38
gridjszapi: For bigger applications this is too much maintaining13:38
djszapiThere has been a standardization request for quite a while, but I do not think it can take effect in the practice any soon.13:38
griI have a version working where I create a "Components 1.0" which are inside just things like Button.qml: "import 1.0 Button {}" and the same for android13:39
grithis works but all registered types like "Screen.Active" are not exposted to the "user" when he does not include himself13:40
djszapiI personally think you make the situation more complicated :)13:40
djszapiI just use the platform specific components everywhere, if any.13:41
djszapiI need different ui for fremantle, harmattan, nemo, plasma active and so forth anyway13:41
djszapiso I would need different code, too.13:41
griwell I think that pageStack thingy is abstracted enough13:42
griyou can replace the Menu component by a c++ one that shows a real menu on maemo5 for example13:42
* djszapi would never use C++ menu on fremantle.13:43
djszapibecause it does not look cool13:43
griwell, those half-finished components also do not look great13:44
djszapialso, that is the main advantage of qml if I read achipa's blog well quite long ago: you can drop the ui completely, and rewrite it quite fast.13:44
djszapiespecially with qt-components anyway13:44
griwhich leads to "feature x has to be implemented 5 times for 5 platforms"13:45
djszapinot really.13:45
djszapithe purpose of qt components to provide the components as its name says.13:45
djszapiand basic components are quite similar even between Harmattan and PA ...13:46
djszapi(qt handset and kde tablet)13:46
gri - my application on maemo5 ... the problem is not the components but all those missing images13:46
djszapinot perfectly standardized, but obviously not completely different either13:46
djszapiwhat images ?13:47
gritoolbar buttons etc.13:47
grieven background of Sheet is missing13:47
djszapiwell, qml was never meant to be portable as chipa said13:47
dickensc_Is there (somewhere) an example / example code available for using push notifications?13:48
djszapithe goal was that to simply write new uis for any platforms13:48
djszapiwhich is a must have anyway13:48
djszapimany fremantle apps would look awkward on Harmattan the same way13:48
djszapiwhat would actually help is a standardization, but as I said, that was already reported long ago13:48
djszapibut it is not that dramaic anyway13:49
gridickensc_: The push notification project has example codes13:49
djszapiI am quiet happy how simple to "port" from Harmattan to PA.13:49
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grimy c++ side of the project has become pure hell due to ifdefs looking for maemo5, harmattan, android ..13:50
TronicYou need to isolate the #ifdef hell from your actual code.13:51
djszapiit should not actually be in the c++ in the first place...13:51
djszapiit is in the build system in my case.13:51
rigowgri, if you want to program once and play everywhere, you'll have to use web applications and widgets </advertisement> :)13:52
TronicPut them to a separate header and generate that via the build system if you wish. I prefer not using the build system for more than I need to, though. Makes it easier to switch to another if needed.13:52
gririgow: That is one thing I will never try :)13:52
djszapiTronic: huh ? How often do you change the build system ? LOL13:53
dickensc_gri: Thanks, found it.. <shame> maybe search a bit more next time..13:53
griI already made some models like xyz_meego.cpp xyz_maemo5.cpp etc. - but at some parts I still was lazy, so the main.cpp looks like hell now :)13:53
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djszapigri: but that is a different thing. You like making hell, or you should not do that. :D13:54
Tronicdjszapi: Quite often, actually. Not that long ago everybody used autohell, now it is CMake or perhaps one of the newcomers. In addition to that, plenty of users use Visual Studio, Qt Creator or some other IDE instead.13:54
djszapiI have never heard of anybody changing the build system "quite often".13:55
TronicI prefer CMake at the moment but I definitely don't want to tie myself or other developers down with it like it was with Autohell.13:55
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gridjszapi: btw. will qt-components 1.1 ever be released for the n9? You are the fortune teller :P14:00
djszapiunsure what you are saying...14:00
djszapiCould you please rephrase ?14:00
djszapiwhat does "qt-components 1.1." mean in this context ?14:01
djszapi1.2 is already out14:01
djszapiso not sure I am getting it.14:01
griThis means: the gitorious version of qt-components defines " 1.1" for months but on the n9 we still have 1.014:01
griwhich means we do not have the "UiConstants" context property14:01
djszapishould not really matter.14:02
djszapisince the app needs to be backward compatible anyway14:02
djszapiand master is available14:02
jreznikyep, it wouldn't pass qa in store14:02
djszapiso if you need some feature from 1.114:03
djszapijust copy out from master14:03
djszapiotherwise cook with the 1.0 ingredients.14:03
griwell since those contants are efen different on symbian and meego, I will write a wrapper class that merges both into one value - even if that's stupid :)14:03
djszapiwhy would you do that ?14:04
pahow do i ssh into N9?14:04
griI need those contants like "what is the default font color?" - at the moment I include the UIConstants.js from meego components14:04
pai mean do i have to set a password for "user"?14:04
djszapipa: ssh command14:05
djszapiuse developer14:05
djszapiand if you pretend to use user, you set up a password for that out of the develoepr account14:05
pabut then do i have to set a password for developer?14:05
jreznikgri: maybe take a look on Qt.labs.components14:05
grijreznik: Isn't that the same?14:05
djszapipa no, use the SDK connection tool14:06
paah ok.. regular ssh wont do?14:06
jreznikgri: it should work as that wrapper - but not sure how it's done internally, never checked it14:06
djszapigri: why not use the symbian ui constants in the symbian app, and meego constants in the meego app ?14:06
djszapipa: it is a regular ssh with a developer account...14:06
pabut does it have psk or what?14:07
gridjszapi: Since I want to use the same qml code on both platforms and not rewrite it14:07
djszapigri: not sure that is user oriented approach, or goes the best way ahead...14:07
djszapisounds more like a background developer approach ...14:07
djszapiI thought you were writing your app for users :)14:07
jreznikgri: with PageStackWindows on Symbian now it's much more easier - the changes are cosmetic now but still - why? the color scheme but also ToolBar changes...14:08
djszapipa why care instead of just using as everybody else here ? :)14:08
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grijreznik: I have own components that are based on ther symbian/meego ones. So I need constants for the default font color, size and spacings14:09
leinirpa: yes, you use regular ssh to connect, but to find the password and whatnot, use the sdk connector tool on the device :)14:11
pait's also not possible to connect over internet, right?14:12
djszapiyou can connect via wi-fi, not just usb connection.14:13
djszapior not sure what you mean by "internet".14:13
Shadikkaacc on14:13
palike not via internal lan14:13
Shadikkanot that window.14:13
djszapipa: why would you do that if it is next to you ? :)14:14
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pacoz i dont have intlan connection14:14
pabut yes, i just opened sshd_config and now i see why i cant connect14:15
pahow can i edit files as root?14:15
paany decent editor installed?14:15
djszapior install vim from the community repository14:16
djszapithough, I would personally prefer joe :)14:17
paand if X forwarding works too.. then.. yeah :)14:19
djszapiwhat exactly do you mean ?14:19
djszapilibxcursor is apparently needed for some kde apps for instance (if running as root).14:19
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pahmm  i removed all the allowedusers stuff and just left AllowedUsers user@* , but still i can ssh from the N9 to itself, but not from my pc to the N914:29
djszapiyou should not really touch the ssh daemon config...14:30
djszapijust open up the sdk connection tool after connection either in sync or SDK mode.14:30
djszapiget the password, and be done14:30
pai simply want to access the mobile from everywhere14:30
djszapiI would seriously suggest to not mess up with system files like that...14:31
djszapiotherwise do not be surprised, like an innocent kid, if you brick your device :D14:31
Hq`some operators might block you if you're trying to ssh in over the 3g connection14:31
paim over wifi now14:32
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pawhere are the programs such as firefox or opera kept?14:43
pathey are seemingly not in usr/BIN14:43
djszapi/opt/opera ?14:44
passh -X doesnt work14:46
pait spawns stuff locally14:46
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pais there any way to have it working, or is it just impossible?14:47
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rigowpa, had that too and didn't manage to resolve14:49
rigownormally, X is supposed to send over on X viewport 0:1114:50
rigowand didn't14:50
rigowand fiddeling with the config file didn't resolve things14:50
rigowpa, in sshd_config, have you switched PAM authorization to yes?14:52
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rigowpa, mine had similar issues and after re-install of openssh server, it worked again14:53
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parigow, no, i dont use pam15:03
parigow, what do you mean "it worked again"?15:03
rigowi had no trouble to ssh from N9 to laptop, but ssh from lap to N9 didn't work15:04
pait works to ssh, it just doesnt work to do X forwarding15:04
rigowah, ok, yes, mine doesn't work either for X forwarding and it also ignores all the flags and configs15:05
pa(from lap to N9)15:05
rigow in .ssh/config set X-forwarding to yes and typed ssh -X etc to no avail15:06
rigowand between all my other machines it just works like charm15:06
payes of course, it normally works15:06
rigowso if you find a solution, I would be interested15:06
pato the N9 it doesnt give any particular error, it simply spawn the application on the phone15:07
paand connect to the phone X server (if the N9 uses it, im not sure)15:07
rigowyes, because the xorg server doesn't seem to accept to send this to an outsider15:07
rigowperhaps because the laptop has no touch capabilities15:07
pawell you can easily emulate touch with mouse15:08
rigowbut the Xserver doesn't know that :)15:08
rigowwait, does my screen connect to the Xserver of the phone or does the phone application connect to my xserver?15:09
paphone application connects to your xserver15:09
paand the X protocol is forwarded over ssh15:10
pa(or should be)15:10
rigowthen the application doesn't respect the X-Windows specs15:10
rigowand as this is all QT, I bet this is something that is done in the QT config15:10
pai dont think QT has anything to do with that15:11
paso i found something15:12
paapparently xauth might be missing15:12
pa<tehdely> also, setting PermitRootLogin to yes in sshd_config and restarting sshd still didn't let me log on as root15:13
pai meant TMO, tread 41168 page 2 last post15:13
pabut its about N90015:13
ArkenoiIs it possible to run phone's messaging app to remote X server? would be great.15:14
Arkenoivnc is all different :-(15:14
pawe need xauth for that15:15
pai found some repos15:15
pabut im not an expert of harmattan repos15:15
paso i will rather wait a sec, before i screw up something15:15
paimagine playing angry birds via ssh x :) but probably gl stuff wont really work15:16
rigowyou're right, no xauth15:18
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padoes anybody have some xperience with the battery management entity?15:19
pai'd really like to disable the charging when plugged via usb (even just to the charger)15:19
paso that the phone could be used much more without killing the battery15:20
pai mean ideally it would work on USB power, and leave the battery alone15:23
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paby the way, is it my impression or the pdf reader sucks really hard?15:33
Appiahwhat's the problem with it pa ?15:33
pait doesnt re-render at higher resolution15:33
AppiahHave not used it that much but had no problems with it15:33
paeven when i zoom, everything is blocky15:34
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Appiahtried zooming in and out a few times15:35
Appiahand yes it does take a while for it to "focus215:35
paso you mean i should leave it go? i waited like  a minute15:36
Appiahi only have small pdfs here ( 700-900kb)15:36
paand it didnt focus yet15:36
pa(2.9mb pdf)15:36
Appiahit does for me15:36
pai retry15:36
Appiahif I zoom and it looks blocky,  dont zoom  again  and wait15:36
Appiahit becomes focused15:36
Appiahhehe I can reproduce this on all these pdfs15:37
Appiahto answer your question yes it sucks15:37
Appiahnow to file that bug report :D15:37
pai will. i have the disable charging option to file :)15:39
pacreating account15:39
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paoh now it focused15:44
paafter 5 min15:44
Appiahwoah , does not take that long for me15:44
Appiahgonna find a bigger pdf and test15:44
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Appiah5mb , still about the same amount of time15:46
pathis is the one i just tried15:46
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Appiahjust loading this pdf takes alot longer then the 5mb one...15:48
Appiahand this is about 3mb15:48
Appiahsomething is strange with this file... yes it takes  a shitload of time for it to focus15:49
Appiahstill not done15:49
pai tell you i had to wait 5 min15:49
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CityLightshi all15:50
kimjuthe size of the pdf file doesn't tell everything. small file might take ages to render..15:50
CityLightsitsnotabigtruck: ok, I just tried to flash my N915:50
CityLightsI ran the flasher on the pc and then pluggedd the cable to the N9 usb15:51
CityLightsit didnt show any sings of life15:51
Appiahwhat in a pdf can differ kimju ?15:51
CityLightsand so I am unable to charge/flash it15:51
CityLightsso is it over?15:51
Appiahdont know much about pdfs but im gonna compare this one with the other 5 that works fine for me , (2 of them are bigger in size but that does not matter?)15:52
Appiahsame ammount of fonts but the fonts differs..15:57
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pai think that pdf has embedded fonts15:59
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itsnotabigtruckCityLights: wait a min, was your phone dead before?16:24
itsnotabigtruckdid it ever actually start flashing?16:24
CityLightsI got it a week ago16:25
CityLightswaorked well16:25
CityLightsit asked for an update - so I said - go16:26
CityLightsnow it wont even charge16:26
itsnotabigtruckare you sure you did the procedure exactly16:27
itsnotabigtrucka) *remove the phone from usb*16:27
itsnotabigtruckb) power it off (well, in this case it already is)16:27
itsnotabigtrucksince it's already powered off, maybe wait a min to make sure it's really off16:27
itsnotabigtruckc) attach it with flasher -i running16:27
itsnotabigtruckand flasher should tell you what fw version you're on now16:28
itsnotabigtruckjust double checking, it sounds pretty dead16:28
itsnotabigtruckit might still be possible to cold flash, but i'm not 100% sure how you cold flash a dead phone (if you can in the first place)16:29
itsnotabigtruckwhat country are you in? if you don't have an import and nokia actually does some kind of customer service in your country, you could probably bring it to an authorized nokia shop16:30
mgedminfor a second I was afraid PR 1.2 upgrade reset my root password, but turns out I just can't type16:32
CityLightsok, thanks16:34
mgedminI've this blank "application" running with an entirely black screen; any ideas about figuring out what it is?16:34
itsnotabigtruckmgedmin: hmm...htop?16:34
itsnotabigtruckalso CityLights: well, a) is that what you did, and b) how exactly did the update fail, anyway16:36
itsnotabigtruckyou didn't mention before that the phone wouldn't even boot16:37
itsnotabigtruckdoes it ever go to the NOKIA screen?16:37
itsnotabigtruckif it doesn't go to that screen it's "dead"16:37
CityLightsa) yes16:37
RST38hmgedmin: tar -czf - / | scp ?16:37
CityLightsb)the update downloaded then started to apply it16:37
CityLightsI did see it reach 65%16:37
CityLightsthen I went and when I came back it was dead16:38
mgedminAccuWeather reset itself to Helsinki...16:38
itsnotabigtruckwell, that's peculiar16:38
itsnotabigtrucklol RST38h16:39
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itsnotabigtruckCityLights: check that out16:41
itsnotabigtruckignore most of the stuff toward the top16:42
itsnotabigtruckactually just ignore that whole thing16:42
itsnotabigtruckdo this16:42
itsnotabigtruckflasher -c -f -F main.bin16:43
itsnotabigtruckhold the power button on the N9 for 8 seconds and while holding it plug into usb16:43
itsnotabigtruck(i'm not really sure about this)16:43
CityLightslets see16:43
itsnotabigtruckactually, no, invert that16:43
itsnotabigtruckattach it to usb, then hold the power button for 8 seconds16:43
itsnotabigtruckyou'll know if flasher starts doing stuff - if so, don't disconnect!16:43
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itsnotabigtruckif you manage to get it to cold flash, do flasher -f F emmc.bin and flasher -R afterwards16:44
itsnotabigtruckto finish up and get out of flashing mode16:44
itsnotabigtruckhey Khertan16:45
itsnotabigtruckCityLights ^ see above16:45
KhertanWhat the fuck with Qml TextArea component ? isn't made to edit text ?16:45
Khertanmulti line text ?16:45
Appiahpa: all pdfs i've tried have embeeded fonts16:45
Appiahbut only the file you linked has that issue16:45
RST38hno editable attribute?16:45
Appiahnot found any other pdf with the same fonts16:45
KhertanRST38h: not only tha16:45
Khertanhow did you make scrollable text16:46
Khertan ?16:46
Appiahcan you find some more pdfs that gives you the same issue?16:46
Khertansomething that can be larger than the screen ?16:46
Khertanor heigher ?16:46
RST38hYou encase it into an area that has scrollbar attached?16:46
RST38hI remember seeing this kind of QML widget16:46
Khertana Flickable ? yep ... how to ensure that cursor is visible so ?16:46
Khertana textArea is component which already use Flickable internally16:47
RST38hNot only you want a scrollable text editor, but you ALSO want the cursor to be visible?16:47
RST38hYou want too much! =)16:47
KhertanRST38h: i didn't wan't the cursor visible, i wan't to see what i type16:47
Khertanthis mean the text scrolled where my cursor is16:48
KhertanRST38h: and you know why ... workarround with QTextEdit16:48
Khertandidn't work anymore16:48
Khertanqt segfault somewhere16:48
* RST38h laughs satanically16:49
* Khertan make a last try to have a small fucking simple text editor before leaving definitivly that sucky plateform16:49
paKhertan, probably16:49
palet me see16:49
RST38hKhertan: afaik, KDE is also switching to QML =)16:49
CityLightsitsnotabigtruck: I DONT BELIVE16:49
CityLightsits working!16:50
KhertanRST38h: yeah ... i switch to openbox recently16:50
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CityLightsI got the screen: too many tries to update failed16:50
CityLightsbut now it boots!16:50
itsnotabigtruckCityLights: awesome!16:50
itsnotabigtruckdid it actually flash16:50
itsnotabigtruckor just cause it to boot16:50
* djszapiN9 does not subcontract for Nokia anymore16:50
CityLightswhy does MY phones only answrs to you?16:51
KhertanRST38h: let them wasting their ressources and time fot that16:51
RST38hWindowMaker is being developed again.16:51
CityLightsbut I am so happy16:51
KhertandjszapiN9: i do not do anymore professionnal qt devel16:51
CityLightsIt just booted16:51
CityLightsdidnt flash16:51
RST38hSo, I guess *something good* does come from all the Linux desktop developers going mad16:51
CityLightsI wont dare flashing it now16:51
itsnotabigtruckdjszapiN9: i hope that doesn't have anything to do with the SDK any case good luck with future jobs/projects/whatnot16:51
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CityLightsisnt the ota suppose to be tested?16:51
itsnotabigtruckCityLights: i'm thinking it's probably a good idea to now power it off and flash again (in a normal non-cold flash)16:52
djszapiN9oopsie, wrong window, but whatever :D16:52
CityLightsitsnotabigtruck: how do I buy you bear?16:52
KhertanRST38h: yeah look gnomeshell ... Javascript ... no hope for future can come from gnome ... and it s hopeless when seeing KDE using qml16:53
CityLightsitsnotabigtruck: flasher -F lagency.bin -f ?16:53
CityLightsusing only that 1Gb file?16:53
itsnotabigtruckCityLights: flasher -i, flasher -f -F lagency.bin (if that's what you called it), flasher -f -F emmc.bin, flasher -R16:53
djszapiN9Khertan, oh ?16:53
itsnotabigtruckif you skip the emmc step then you can keep most of your user data (like pics) but if anything's messed up there it could leave problems behind16:53
itsnotabigtruckyour choice16:53
CityLightsI see16:54
KhertandjszapiN9: yeah ... :(16:54
CityLightswhat is flasher -i?16:54
itsnotabigtruckCityLights: it puts the phone into flasher mode and tells you what version you're on16:54
itsnotabigtruckit's to make sure you get it into the right mode properly16:54
itsnotabigtruckyou don't have to do it, but i don't recommend flashing right off the bat16:55
Khertanchoice 1 : use and come back to Maemo16:55
Khertanwith an n90016:55
Khertanchoice 2 : come back to 3210 and commit social suicide16:55
RST38hchoise 2: write your own maemo16:55
* itsnotabigtruck likes choice 3216:56
Khertan RST38h at least under Maemo i can write apps i need16:56
paKhertan, actually not really..16:56
pai tried another one16:56
pabut it takes ok time to focus16:56
palike 20 sec or so16:56
Khertanpa: actually, in the past, and for future16:56
KhertanTextArea is a problem with large text16:56
KhertanTextEdit copy/paste isn't implemented16:57
KhertanYeah ... Nice framework16:57
itsnotabigtruckKhertan: have you tried using MTF16:57
Khertanitsnotabigtruck: Mouahhaha ah aha ha ah ah AH ah ahah ah16:57
itsnotabigtruckremember that very few gui frameworks actually have sophisticated text editing capabilities built in, apps that need them usually end up being expected to build their own16:57
Khertanitsnotabigtruck: Qt ... and QWidget16:58
Khertanitsnotabigtruck: they just fucked a good fw16:58
itsnotabigtruckhrm? what do you mean16:58
itsnotabigtruckdid something change in that respect in 1.2?16:58
itsnotabigtruckanyway, don't get so frustrated - there's always a solution and maemo5 had its own problems16:58
Khertanyep ... QTextEdit is unusable on harmattan since first beta16:58
Khertanitsnotabigtruck: i'm not frustrated ... i was 6 months ago ... now i hate them for that result ...16:59
itsnotabigtruckmaybe you can clone the relevant code out of qt into your own library and fix it up16:59
Khertanmaemo5 have his own problem where workarround was easily doable16:59
itsnotabigtruckit's LGPL now so that's 100% legit16:59
Khertanitsnotabigtruck: yeah ... will be faster to try to rewrite driver for maemo5 ...17:00
Khertanitsnotabigtruck: qwidget aren't usable, unthemed17:00
Khertan... yah ... it s was always a long discussion i ve beofre17:01
Khertandidn't want to have it again17:01
itsnotabigtruckwell, there's lots of things nokia's done/doing that people here are probably right to be incensed about - but not having every widget under the sun isn't one of them i don't think17:01
Khertanbut i'm just trying to do a fucking text edit field with a text a 100long lines text17:01
Khertanitsnotabigtruck: it s not having everywidget under the sun... it s scratching existing for something useless17:02
Khertanitsnotabigtruck: qml is indeed quite good for making easy animation and transition between image, and rectangle17:03
Khertantry to do serious things with it17:03
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itsnotabigtruckthen use MTF or do an all-custom ui17:03
itsnotabigtruckor make a custom widget for qml17:03
Khertana custom widget for qml ... yeah ... try to manage the vkb17:04
Khertanalready tryed17:04
Khertani ve try to fix vkb problem with mtf17:04
Khertanthere is too much17:04
itsnotabigtrucki haven't used mtf, i just suggested it because it's not qml17:04
Khertanitsnotabigtruck: mtf ... is ...  not usabel17:05
Khertanand worse some recent change made for qml seems to have introduce regressions17:06
djszapiN995% of the platform is written in that though17:06
djszapiN9ui, that is17:06
KhertandjszapiN9: yeah ... we can clearly notice it ...17:06
KhertandjszapiN9: there are problem with vkb and many native apps17:06
Khertanwithout talking about the hwk17:07
Khertanterminal is ...17:07
Khertan wait ...17:07
Khertani ve better to do than explaining problem of that plateform17:07
djszapiN9vkb worked in my mtf apps17:07
Khertanwhich are ?17:07
djszapiN9hiro apps, plus account plugins17:09
Khertanhiro apps ?17:09
Khertannever try it17:09
Khertanavailable on ovi store i suppose ?17:10
CityLightsitsnotabigtruck: ok, I am flashing the big file now. how can I backup and flash the emmc17:13
djszapiN9Khertan, not sure17:13
rantomKhertan: I think these are "hiro" apps: and yes, some of them are17:13
djszapiN9meeprint is one i worked on17:13
djszapiN9we had a seaparate website for those17:13
itsnotabigtruckCityLights: you can't back up using flasher17:13
rantomdjszapiN9: So I pasted wrong site?17:13
djszapiN9i had to write zero code to get the vkbd working17:14
itsnotabigtruckwhat you can do is flasher -R after flashing the big file, then back up stuff, then go back into flasher and write the emmc17:14
djszapiN9worked oob17:14
KhertandjszapiN9: there isn't any textEdit or textArea17:14
Khertanor text edition longer than one line17:14
Khertanof course vkb will work17:15
itsnotabigtrucki'll bbl17:16
itsnotabigtruckalso for reference to do JUST the mmc, you have to do flasher -f -F main.bin -F emmc.bin --flash-only=mmc17:16
itsnotabigtruckthe command i gave you before only works right after flashing something else17:16
CityLights, and that way I lose all the info I entered since getting it17:20
CityLightsis it possible to back it up elsewhere then flash the mmc as you suggested?17:20
CityLightsok, for now I ran flasher -f -F main.bin17:21
CityLightsI will try connecting to pc and backing up17:22
CityLightsthen do the mmc17:22
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njsfHas anybody experienced the "restore" of apps failing to download the apps (but if I go to the Store I can install them OK) ?17:24
djszapiN9Khertan, you said vkb previously17:24
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KhertandjszapiN9: yeah i say vkb about large text17:25
njsfBetter yet, does anybody know how I could extract the list of packages from a backup so I can manually feed it to apt-get and end my pain ?17:25
KhertandjszapiN9: and rotation didn't works on netview17:25
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djszapiKhertan: netview is actually not my app17:35
djszapiunsure what you mean "by rotation didn't works" though.17:35
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njsfAnyone knows an IRC client for Harmattan with SASL support ?17:41
njsfwhen I am using cell data I can't connect to freenode because ident is blocked :(17:42
itsnotabigtruckhrm, i'm pretty sure aranel's meesaver app isn't actually cycling the wallpaper17:45
djszapinjsf: poke Venemo to implement SASL support :P17:45
njsfVenemo ? A regular who is offline at this time ?17:46
njsfwhat's his IRC client ?17:46
djszapihe can mail him17:47
djszapihe is a cool guy :)17:47
njsfOk I will :)17:47
njsfIs the source in gitorious or github ?17:47
njsfmaybe I can patch it17:47
njsfafter I solve my email fuckerage17:47
djszapijoin #irc-chatter17:47
djszapiand see the topic17:47
njsfI am this close to nuke even the emmc after backing up MyDocs17:48
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njsftnx djszapi17:53
djszapiyw :)17:53
* djszapi is hoping for the Android Architect job :D17:53
befordwho where how D:17:54
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djszapibeford: me Silicon Valley job application ;)17:55
befordwith the mountain view company?17:56
djszapithere, though I dislike the UI working environment17:57
djszapifrom what I heard so far, it is sort of nightmare'ish... :)17:57
befordnice hope it goes well for you17:58
djszapibut oh well, I do not construct stereo-types :)17:58
pai just installed netview, and launched. can i connect to it via regular vnc client?17:58
paon what port?17:58
itsnotabigtruckpa: i know the vnc server that ships with dev mode can be connected to on whatever the default is18:00
itsnotabigtrucki'm guessing netview is just firing the same one up18:00
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pamaybe it works only for intlan18:00
itsnotabigtruckoh yeah...if it's like the default sshd config you can only connect from 192.168.x.x and 10.x.x.x18:02
pabut in theory this works not over ssh18:03
tehdelywho here has a build environment for N9 on their workstations18:03
tehdelyand what OS are you on18:03
tehdelyi am wondering how easy it would be to set one up on OS X18:03
tehdelyhas this been done?18:03
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befordbuild environment? like the whole scratchbox thing? it only runs on linux, so a vm is probably needed18:12
befordbut if you only need to develop with Qt/QML the QtSDK will work ok18:12
paitsnotabigtruck, ok i got it working, only over http, but does it happen with the server of the dev mode too that it's very slow?18:13
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befordfinally 1.2 appears18:16
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itsnotabigtruckpa: i only used it for doing a screencap18:24
itsnotabigtruckbeford: did they roll it out to more regions?18:24
itsnotabigtrucklast i checked they did 001 and 00918:24
itsnotabigtruck(europe and europe-2)18:24
itsnotabigtruckin any case, you should just flash it with the 001 europe image, that way you don't have to wait next time18:24
befordmine is a 059J239 from singapure18:25
itsnotabigtruckso probably 005 then18:25
befordthe region is based on the model right? not from where I'm currently using it18:25
itsnotabigtruckevery 7 digit product code maps to a 3 digit variant code18:25
itsnotabigtruckthe firmware is based on the 3 digit variant18:25
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itsnotabigtruckwhich is 001, 003, 005, 006, 007, 009, or a 2xx/3xx/4xx carrier branded firmware18:26
itsnotabigtruckactually i'm not sure if there's a 007 firmware, that would be cool though18:27
itsnotabigtruckn9. james n9. finland's top intelligence agent here to save the day.18:28
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itsnotabigtruckbeford: don't forget that once you upgrade your singaporean N9 to 005 firmware then if pr1.3 comes out on 001 first again, you might have to wait a while for the update18:30
itsnotabigtruckbut it seems like nokia really sped things up this time compared to last time18:30
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itsnotabigtruckso if the next update gets fast tracked like this one was that won't be that much of a problem18:31
befordyea I will probably flash the whole thing, I'm not really using it yet and don't have any information on it18:31
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befordI started having this issue where all messages from different protocols got mixed, like facebook and gtalk message appeared on the same conversation and with a wrong sender, so I just deleted all the accounts18:32
befordhopefully its fixed18:32
itsnotabigtruckoh awesome18:33
itsnotabigtruckok, better just obliterate the whole thing to be sure18:33
itsnotabigtruckif you have an accounts related issue it seems like nothing can fix those18:33
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itsnotabigtruckjust grab the main and emmc listed for "RM-696 NDT <cap> ROW"18:34
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itsnotabigtruckalso this is weird, 059H2M5 is listed as a white 16gb n918:35
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Aranelitsnotabigtruck: huh? isn't it working?18:37
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itsnotabigtruckAranel: nope, it never changed it from the wallpaper i set myself18:39
itsnotabigtrucki probably should have tested that before, i was focused on the gui :p18:39
paanybody using netview? it looks like i cannot control the phone when it has blank screen18:39
paif it goes blank, then the vnc client is cut out18:39
Aranelitsnotabigtruck: a) did you add it to start-up? b) do you have any .png files on working directory?18:39
Araneland c) did you reboot after install or click on Restart after adding it to start-up? :)18:40
itsnotabigtruckAranel: i think i tried hitting restart, that's it - also i was assuming it defaults to the wallpaper dir that comes with the emmc18:42
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Aranelitsnotabigtruck: yes it does, but original wallpapers are .jpg, so they won't work with MeeSaver.18:44
Aranelitsnotabigtruck: and to have it's daemon installed, you should add it to start-up first.18:44
befordwhy you dont support jpg too? :P18:44
Aranelbeford: that is a good question. :p18:44
Aranelbeford: I thought that user wouldn't want original wallpapers on cycle, plus I've never tested it with jpg, so I disallowed it :)18:45
Aranelbut it's a very simple step to add it back, so it's possible to add it on later if it's needed.18:46
Aranelitsnotabigtruck: does it work now?18:47
itsnotabigtruckAranel: haven't tested it, but that explains it18:47
itsnotabigtruckno jpg support? :(18:47
itsnotabigtruckalso lol @ this
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beforddjszapi, I've no idea how it happened but the letters appeared twice for the word 'Pupil' but the word appeared again and it was normal .. so18:51
djszapiN9beford, interesting18:57
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Aranelitsnotabigtruck: beford: now it supports JPG too :)19:00
Guest90738Good works Aranel! I was waiting that app too.19:01
AranelGuest90738: hope you'll like it =)19:05
djszapiN9anybody willing to change my N9 with a playbooj ?19:07
djszapiN9playboy haha :D19:07
pawhat will u call with, then?19:08
befordblackberry is giving free playbooks19:09
befordfor developers19:09
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djszapibeford: not anymore19:17
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djszapialso, I do not have any working apps yet to apply19:17
befordI think they extended it you may want to check19:17
djszapiI did this morning19:17
djszapithe registration date was the 15th of February19:17
djszapiplus you need to have a sort of working app19:17
djszapiI do not even have a concept.19:17
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itsnotabigtruckright, it looks like they were specifically aiming it at android devs (with their new android compatibility layer)19:19
itsnotabigtruckthough they then broadened it a bit19:19
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pabut in theory... meego should support multi users, right?19:23
djszapinot full support, no.19:24
djszapiif you mean "Harmattan" by "Meego".19:24
payes thats what i meant19:24
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pamaybe full multiuser wouldnt be needed, but at least swapping home folder, with contacts and stuff..19:26
djszapidoes anybody know this Fedex ?19:26
pa"this Fedex"?19:27
djszapiI have received a call today about having a one kilogram package at the airport that I have seriously no clue about.19:27
djszapicoming from the US >_<19:27
pamaybe it was your neighbor taxi driver19:27
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njsfdjszapi: fedex.com19:40
njsfyou should probably ask for a tracking number so you can check validity and who sent it19:41
djszapithey sent me the consignment number19:44
padoes anybody know here how to change top update interval on N9?19:45
nid0its normally top -d x19:46
paah thanks19:46
djszapinjsf: 523280656051 -> checked out, but does not tell too much19:47
* djszapi wonders if it is a raspberry qtonpi stuff or distinct19:48
njsfdjszapi: seems like someone in california sent you something19:49
djszapilet me ask on #qt-onpi19:49
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njsfsunnyvale more precisely19:50
djszapiwonder why it does not have any good designations.19:51
njsfWhen I was living in .pt the international couriers did not do customs clearance of things other than documents and you'd have to suffer through import bureaucracy hell19:51
pawasnt there something in sunnyvale?19:51
njsfPalm was @sunnyvale19:51
njsfYahoo is also based there19:51
njsfas is OCZ19:51
paah yes19:52
njsfAtari too ;)19:52
palooks like it's not such a lucky location for IT companies19:52
djszapiI would not really know, what it is out of the provided information.19:52
njsfwell were you expecting some prize or some purchase from the US ?19:53
nid0fedex should at least be able to tell you what type of item it is from the customs label19:53
djszapithey were not able to tell me on the phone though.19:53
djszapinjsf: I was expecting nothing.19:53
njsfthat is indeed weird19:54
tehdelypa: the valley is bunk19:54
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djszapiperhaps failure in the delivery ?19:54
djszapior wrong name ?19:54
tehdelyit's remarkable anything good gets off the ground there lol19:54
njsffrom my memories of trying to deal with customs YOU had to know what was inside19:54
njsfit is messed up19:54
njsfmaybe in .fi is better...19:54
itsnotabigtruckpa: still there?19:55
djszapiwhat is the fedex at all ? Why wouldn't one send me packages directly to the postal address as previously ?19:55
djszapiwhy do they send it to the airport ?19:55
njsfdjszapi: Fedex is express courier19:56
nid0according to the tracking info it did go to a postal address, and just failed delivery19:56
itsnotabigtruckwell since it's based on linux, obviously it has support for multiple users19:56
njsfbut internationally they mostly deal with documents19:56
nid0customs shouldnt be an issue as its already cleared in19:56
njsfwhen it is packages they fail miserably19:56
itsnotabigtruckit's just that there's no UI support19:56
njsfoutside the US19:56
itsnotabigtrucklike a login screen19:56
pabut then what, does it autologin to user?19:56
njsfyou only need the tracking #19:56
djszapinjsf: but why outside the city at an airport, not some post office inside the city ?19:56
njsfhence the scarcity of info too19:56
paand if so, would it be feasible to create an app to switch user?19:56
itsnotabigtruckpa: yeah, my understanding is that the UI stuff gets fired up setuid'd to user19:57
njsfdjszapi: fedex does not interface with the postal system19:57
itsnotabigtrucknot precisely sure how it's implemented19:57
nid0djszapi: thats just undoubtedly where fedex's local distribution centre is19:57
njsfthey have their own freight planes and couriers etc19:57
itsnotabigtruckit's possible to launch GUI programs as another user though19:57
itsnotabigtrucktry adding a user, then doing: devel-su -c yourprogram newuser19:57
itsnotabigtrucke.g. you can run GUI programs as developer or root and they show up just fine19:58
djszapinjsf: well, they could hand it over to a more central place.19:58
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: fedex, ups, etc. are 100% private though, and postal services don't usually want to deal with 3rd party courier services19:59
njsfthey typically operate like that.19:59
paitsnotabigtruck,  so, if devel-su would be password free, one could replace all the links of the apps with such command, and then the user-switcher app could update these links19:59
njsfthey only have a distribution center at the airport19:59
njsfwhere the customs officers inspect19:59
itsnotabigtruckin the US, fedex and ups have their own distribution network 100%19:59
njsfand after clearance then they go and deliver to your door19:59
njsfitsnotabigtruck: yes, but that is in the US19:59
itsnotabigtruckinternationally it might be different since they aren't so big outside the us19:59
njsfwhere they don't worry about customs19:59
njsfinternationally it is different19:59
itsnotabigtruckalso fedex international is bloody expensive20:00
njsfactually, the situation for a PACKAGE (not documents) in the US is probably the same20:00
itsnotabigtruckups is almost as bad20:00
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itsnotabigtruckmakes importing a lot of things uneconomic only because of shipping costs20:00
djszapinjsf: I will let them know tomorrow where to send the package to then20:01
djszapialso, I am not at home during the daytime because of an obvious reason: work in the office20:01
njsfdjszapi: be prepared to one of the following:20:01
djszapiso better to tell them my office addressthen.20:01
itsnotabigtruckpa: devel-su is password free if one is already root20:01
njsf1) pay import taxes20:01
njsf2) having to go to the airport and deal with customs20:02
njsf(which can imply 1)20:02
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pawell one is normally not20:02
pabut i guess it can be made password free somehow20:02
palike with a sudo before20:02
djszapinjsf: well, they explicitely claimed that they can send it to my place.20:02
paand make sudo password free20:02
njsfdjszapi: that is great then ! :)20:02
djszapialso, why should I pay, if I am sent.20:02
djszapiI have not asked for being sent to.20:02
itsnotabigtruckpa: do you have a specific goal you're trying to accomplish?20:03
njsfdjszapi: that depends on customs laws20:03
njsfI only tried to tell you of my previous experiences20:03
pawell in fact i do, but it's a little complex to explain in here20:03
djszapino way in the hell :D20:03
njsfon other countries20:03
njsfit depends on the type of contents20:03
djszapiif I send you a package for fun, you need to pay.20:03
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njsfmaybe it is just 1kg of documents :)20:03
djszapithat would ... just be utterly silly. :D20:03
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: well, you don't have to accept it20:03
paand also im playing with this phone while i should be doing way other stuff :)20:03
itsnotabigtruckthough actually if you get sent an international package through UPS and they broker the customs, they'll send you a bill afterwards that you do have to pay20:04
njsfdjszapi: you can try it. send a package with a declared value over US$50 and usually the other guy in the other country will have to pay taxes on the declared value20:04
njsfEVEN through the postal system20:04
* njsf has had his share of sending packages internationally and receiving them20:05
djszapinjsf: well, I do really hope for being able to say a "no, thanks."20:05
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paby the way, where are messages and call lists stored?20:05
njsfdjszapi: yes, as far as I know, you always have that20:05
djszapiof course, it makes my decision hard, if I do not know what it is about.20:05
djszapibut since I did not expect anything, I do not mind saying, no bye.20:06
njsfyou can always say only if he asks for money for taxes20:06
djszapiif they cannot tell me what it is, I will not accept it.20:06
djszapinjsf: is it expensive to call them ?20:08
njsffedex ?20:08
djszapithey do not seem to have a local'ish phone number.20:09
djszapiwhat yhey sent me is quite outstanding.20:09
nid0010 800 51520:09
nid0isnt that a finnish number?20:09
djszapiI have never seen such a Finnish number yet.20:10
njsf800 515 ?20:10
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djszapidoes not ring a bell20:10
djszapiso is it expensive btw ?20:10
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itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: aren't intra-eu calls regulated?20:11
itsnotabigtrucknid0: does that include the country code20:11
djszapiwhat exactly do you mean ?20:11
njsfnope, .fi country code is 35820:11
njsfso it has to be fully local the 010 800 51520:11
nid0itsnotabigtruck: thats the whole number as listed on fedex's finnish website's contact page, so I assume its a finnish number20:11
njsfwhich is what they leist on the site20:12
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: like i thought the rates of phone calls from eu to eu was regulated20:12
djszapithe point is not the Finnish number20:12
djszapiplease do not hijack it :D20:12
itsnotabigtruckas opposed to here where my telco can charge $zillions per minute to call finland20:12
djszapithe point is that, whether or not it is expensive.20:12
djszapiitsnotabigtruck: oh no20:12
djszapiit is not regulated20:12
djszapiI paid 60-70 EUR for an Air Baltic call20:13
njsfdjszapi: my guess is that it is toll-free20:13
djszapilast time20:13
njsfbut I have no clue as how telephone calls are charged in .fi20:13
djszapiAir Baltic with Finnish office here in Helsinki20:13
njsfthen I have no clue how expensive is to call them20:13
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njsfhere is free in the US20:13
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: use skype or some voip provider then20:13
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itsnotabigtruckor gvoice if they've opened up shop in the eu20:13
djszapiitsnotabigtruck: would not bother just because of this call really.20:14
djszapithey do not need to open it up20:14
djszapimy address resides outside of eu. US, actually.20:14
djszapibut anyway, I will try to call them tomorrow.20:14
njsfI just realized20:16
njsfNokia also does have an R&D center in Sunnyvale20:16
njsfexpecting something from them ?20:16
djszapiI already have all their devices.20:16
njsf200 South Mathilda Avenue  Sunnyvale, CA 9408620:17
njsf(408) 220-902020:17
djszapieven the next billion :D20:17
djszapiI think it is a misdelivery to my place.20:18
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djszapiitsnotabigtruck: lol @ that thread, indeed20:23
djszapimade my day :D20:23
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* mgedmin becomes curious and looks for a link to a thread in recent irc history ...20:24
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nid0I just did that too, its
djszapicat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/osa.list20:27
djszapideb-exec /usr/bin/osa20:27
djszapiwhat exactly is this file about btw ?20:28
djszapiahh got it20:28
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itsnotabigtruckthis professor is explaining to upper-level cs majors what http is20:41
tehdelyit's this thing that json moves over, duh20:42
befordi dont want to live on this planet anymore20:42
tehdelythe other planets aren't any better20:42
tehdelynotice how aliens are always coming _here_20:43
itsnotabigtrucki think everybody in the class has this stuff down, it's just that he doesn't seem to be considering his audience20:43
itsnotabigtruckthis one's pretty awesome too20:45
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djszapiitsnotabigtruck: WTF :D :D :D20:47
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infobotit has been said that maemo-flashing is
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befordmm no info about n9 there, itsnotabigtruck do you happen to have a guide at hand? :)21:10
itsnotabigtruckneed a new version of that for N921:11
itsnotabigtruckno, i was just thinking about writing one21:11
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itsnotabigtruckbut there's more exciting things to do :(21:11
itsnotabigtruckbeford: search your backlog for flasher and you'll see me giving instructions like 5 times :p21:11
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tehdelyhas anyone made a better terminal emulator than the one that ships with the N9?21:12
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tehdelyi would love to have something with a few of the features of Putty Touch UI21:12
tehdelywhich is for Symbian, and rocks my world21:12
itsnotabigtrucktehdely: well, meego-terminal is oss, so you could hack it21:12
tehdelyit would be a good place to start, i guess :)21:13
tehdelyalso, what is the password-storage subsystem like21:13
tehdelyis it something that apps can plug into21:13
itsnotabigtruckmeego-terminal is probably theonly terminal emulator built on MTF or QML (harmattan style)21:13
tehdelyi would like to store ssh key passphrases the same way other passwords are saved21:13
tehdelyand have ssh-agent automatically unlock them on boot21:13
itsnotabigtruckand afaik it is, it's called signond...or instead you could store your ssh keys with aegis-certman and make an ssh-agent that communicates with it21:14
itsnotabigtruckexcept that aegis-certman is x.509 only :(21:14
itsnotabigtruckit would be nice to have a better harder stronger aegis-certman that can do any type of certificate (or none at all)21:14
tehdelyalso is it possible to get ahold of an N950 on the gray market21:14
tehdelyor would i have to have been registered as a developer with Nokia21:15
tehdelyi love my N9 but man it would be nice to have something with a keyboard21:15
itsnotabigtrucka few have gone for sale before, but it's definitely unauthorized21:15
tehdelyare they property of the user or property of Nokia21:15
itsnotabigtrucktechnically all N950s are nokia property21:15
tehdelythat's what i figured21:15
itsnotabigtruckand they're tied up in non-resale non-everything agreements21:15
itsnotabigtruckif you report an N950 lost or stolen there's a 500E fee21:15
itsnotabigtruckso somebody unscrupulous who really wanted to sell one, would have to charge at least 500E to make it economic21:16
itsnotabigtruckpresumably a lot more21:16
tehdelyalso looks like i will finally have to bite the bullet and learn C++21:17
padoes N950 add something else than a physical keyboard to the n9?21:17
mgedminweight? ;)21:17
mgedmina few mm of size?21:17
mgedminI don't remember any hardware in a n950 that would not be present in a n9 (other than the keyboard of course)21:18
itsnotabigtruckpa: besides a sexy aluminum chassis, no21:18
tehdelyi think the N9 is prettier21:18
tehdelyi got the white one\21:18
tehdelyit has been a real conversation starter21:18
pait doesnt have the silly usb lit21:18
itsnotabigtruckyou lose continuous camera capture, NFC, and a few other things21:18
tehdelyi had a guy from Apple ogling it this morning at coffee lol21:18
mgedminI would like to see a white n9 in real life some time21:19
itsnotabigtruckbut otherwise internally the N950 is almost identical to the N921:19
mgedminso far I'm incredibly happy with the look of my black one21:19
hardaker2I actually have both.  The N9 is unfortunately better.21:19
itsnotabigtruckoh yeah, the N950 does have a swappable battery21:19
tehdelymgedmin: i found an importer in california with one21:19
hardaker2The antenna in the n950 is problematic21:19
tehdelyhe has two more!  get thee a white n9 ;)21:19
pathe swappable battery is actually an interesting difference21:19
tehdelyscandinavian product code, too.  so they probably get firmware love first :>21:19
itsnotabigtrucktehdely: how much did it come out to net?21:19
hardaker2(and the n9 does have a better display and nfc)21:19
tehdelyitsnotabigtruck: $630 USD21:20
itsnotabigtruckalso since you can flash any variant firmware you want (subject to the downgrade rule)21:20
itsnotabigtruckthe product code doesn't really matter21:20
tehdelyand i bought 3 years worth of 3rd-party insurance for another $16021:20
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itsnotabigtrucke.g. if you got your n9 with firmware 1.1 variant 005, you could flash it to firmware 1.2 variant 00121:20
tehdelyitsnotabigtruck: true, but it's nice to finally have a phone that's finnish in every way21:20
itsnotabigtruckwhich is presumably what you have now21:20
tehdelythe included manuals were in finnish and some nordic language21:21
tehdelyi think danish21:21
tehdelythat's what hte importer said, that it was bought in denmark21:21
tehdelyi have 059M5R3 (RM-696 EUROPE NOW WHITE NORTH)21:21
itsnotabigtruckyeah, and presumably yours is made in finland21:21
itsnotabigtruckalmost all units distributed outside of w. europe are made in china21:21
tehdelythat's a real bummer21:21
tehdelythat they're shutting down Salo21:22
itsnotabigtruckin s. america there's some made in argentina ones21:22
tehdelywill they be making any phones there any more21:22
MekI don't think you can flash any variant on any device; once you go to a chinese variant you presumably can't go back21:22
itsnotabigtruckmek: nope, you can flash away from 003 (china) too21:22
itsnotabigtrucki was confused for a while too21:22
pai've seen the video where they produce N9s21:22
pait seemed way more automatized than ,e.g., foxconn21:22
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pai dont get why they would shut down a factory where they have robots in place for the production21:23
pa"to be closer to the suppliers" they say21:23
tehdelypa: that's a real reason, unfortunately21:23
itsnotabigtruckon the N950, they warn you that you can't flash away from the china pr1.2beta because you'd be going from 003 to 00121:23
tehdelychina's economies of scale have this crazy multiplier factor that it's hard to deal with21:23
tehdelyeverything is across the street from everything else21:23
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pai tell you21:24
itsnotabigtrucktehdely: but i thought labor cost was the #1 factor, and if you've already invested in industrial automation, that's not that much of a problem21:24
mgedminitsnotabigtruck, I thought that was because china had pr1.2beta+0.1 or something like that21:24
tehdelypeople have done the math21:24
paif it was made in china, i would not have bought nokia. rather something else21:24
tehdelyusually they do the math with Apple21:24
tehdelybecause Apple has fantastic wads of cash in the bank21:24
tehdelythey've done the math of what their phoens would cost if made with union labor in the US21:24
tehdelyand they could easily afford it with barely a price bump21:24
itsnotabigtruckexpensive automation equipment > chinese low-cost labor > expensive automation equipment you already paid for21:24
tehdelybut that's only part of the equation21:24
tehdelythe rest of the equation is parts21:25
tehdelyand that's where china wins, way more than it does on cheap labor21:25
tehdelylike i said, everything is across the street21:25
tehdelyand if you're doing rapid R&D21:25
tehdelyand you want to build a prototype with some new screen next week and have it to market in 5 weeks21:25
tehdelyyou can DO that in shenzhen21:25
tehdelysome company there will pivot for you and get you the parts you need21:25
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tehdelyin order to change the equation, you'd have to reverse 30 years worth of high tech moving to china.  it's very symbiotic what they have going on there21:26
tehdelyyou'd need several companies to gang up together and create a whole production ecosystem in the US or Europe21:26
paalso very stupid.. No jobs everywhere else = no customers21:26
tehdelyto produce all the necessary components in reasonable proximity to each other21:27
tehdelyand that's the point where China would get protectionist and start screwing everyone21:27
tehdelylike they have been already with rare earth metals21:27
tehdelyChina's not going to take that lying down :)21:27
pawasnt it that foxconn had to build a factory in brazil, coz brazil has crazy high customs?21:27
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itsnotabigtrucknot sure about the first part, but yeah, brazil is protectionist to the max21:28
itsnotabigtruckthey make it close to impossible to get stuff in and out of the country21:28
paafaik iphones for brazilian market are made in brazil21:28
tehdelyexcept sweet, sweet oil21:28
tehdelythey love exporting that stuff21:28
pawasnt it also meat, to china?21:29
itsnotabigtruckok, they make it close to impossible to get stuff in21:29
itsnotabigtruckthey don't mind getting stuff out of brazil = $$$ :p21:29
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itsnotabigtrucki'm not sure if the real is fully convertable though21:29
itsnotabigtruckit looks like it isn't21:31
itsnotabigtruckso that's also a problem, that means there's severe limitations on being able to convert BRL to a hard currency to even pay for things you're importing21:32
pai think people should stop supporting chinese products..21:33
paonly way to stop this.21:33
paeven it might be too late already21:33
itsnotabigtruckpa: it's literally impossible to do that without forgoing all modern technology21:33
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itsnotabigtruckif you're talking in this channel, you aren't doing that :p21:34
pawell some stuff are still made somewhere else21:34
panot much21:34
pabut some21:34
pawell, i got N9 coz it was made in finland21:34
itsnotabigtruckmade in finland out of chips fabricated in china21:34
paand before i had 6510, also made in finland21:34
mrmlzassembled in finland maybe21:34
itsnotabigtruckand a screen produced in china21:34
beforddoesn't matter, had finland21:34
pachips probably made in taiwan21:34
itsnotabigtruckand a battery probably produced in china21:35
itsnotabigtruckgood point re chips21:35
pastill better than everything made in china21:35
itsnotabigtruckthe point is, sure, the phone was put together in finland but that doesn't mean it doesn't have chinese production inside21:35
pai totally agree with you21:35
paand i dont expect china to starve either21:36
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itsnotabigtruckhey ZogG_laptop21:40
beforditsnotabigtruck, if I try to flash a wrong firmware flasher will complain right?21:43
djszapiwrong firmwarein what sense ?21:43
itsnotabigtruckbeford: you can't "downgrade", where downgrade means that the version string of the new image is considered less than the version string of the old image21:44
itsnotabigtruckalso some carrier branded phones are image locked, which means you can't flash a non-carrier-approved image21:44
* djszapi can downgrade it :P21:44
itsnotabigtruckyeah yeah :p21:44
befordi suppose the downgrade check is not done on the flasher right?21:45
itsnotabigtruckbeford: the practical effect is that you can a) go to a NEW version with ANY variant21:45
itsnotabigtruckor b) go to the SAME version with a HIGHER variant21:45
itsnotabigtruckand it's done on the phone-side part of the flasher21:46
djszapibeford: it is done inside the flasher library21:46
itsnotabigtruckas opposed to the flasher.exe program21:46
djszapiand underneath21:46
befordyea, that's what i thought or a couple of jmp patches could fix that :P21:47
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beforditsnotabigtruck, I can reflash same variant/version, right?21:50
itsnotabigtruckbeford: yup21:50
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bluesleedoes someone know if the n950 rescue images still work properly with the n9? i get a  "WARNING! You have modified the device software ..." message at boot and nothing happens thereafter23:05
xmlich02Hi guys, i have created a simple program, which obtains position from qt-mobility and publishes is via xep-0080/telepathy. In case someone interested
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itsnotabigtruckcrap, missed blueslee23:39
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pawky|2yipiicayeee..... PR1.2 is downloadable in Sweden :-D23:48
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