IRC log of #harmattan for Tuesday, 2012-02-28

jonniitsnotabigtruck: aegis looks for openmode bit and just uses different signing key if your on openmode vs normal mode. Both modes have aegis by default.00:00
rigowjonni, good suggestions :) I have tried apt-get -f install and got a clean response (saying 695 updates waiting)00:00
rigowin order to get there I had to discard the lock file for dpkg00:00
jonnirigow: ah if there is lock for dpkg, you just need to do killall pkgmgrd; and then apt-get upgrade00:01
marsjejonni: what does osa --discover do?00:02
jonnimarsje: its almost like apt-get update, but it also finds ssu updates, or something ;)00:03
jonniapt-get update usually does call osa --discover00:03
itsnotabigtruckjonni: right, what i mean is that messing with things from open mode would break the aegis hashes/signatures and lead to nothing useful00:04
marsjejonni: I will try it00:04
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jonniitsnotabigtruck: yep, if you do any crusial operation like install deb package, it signs the refhashlist file with openmode key, and if you reflash normal kernel back to device, boot will malf because refhashlist is not signed with normal mode key00:05
itsnotabigtruckjonni: entering open mode when booted from a signed kernel doesn't make a lot of sense00:05
DocScrutinizerwell, that's a known effect and several times announced in BOLD that messing with rootfs in openmode will cause MALF in later secure mode00:05
rigowosa --discover hangs00:06
jonnirigow: and you rebooted the device before running osa --discover?00:06
kkitoosa --discover returns Fatal error: Invalid fields in JSON00:06
jonnirigow: second trick is to apt-get install strace; and then strace osa --discover: and look strace output where osa fails00:07
marsjeanyone recognizes this?00:07
marsjeErr harmattan Release.gpg   Could not connect to ( - connect (110: Connection timed out)00:07
DocScrutinizeritsnotabigtruck: AIUI "entering openmode from secure signed kernel" is causing absolutely same state of system as booting an unsigned kernel00:07
rigowthen started SDK, ssh'ed into phone, devel-su, apt-get clean (worked), apt-get update with a lot of errors00:07
rigowthen osa --discover hangs00:07
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer: right...what vexes me is that if you boot an unsigned kernel, touch nothing, and reboot, it keeps you in open mode00:08
DocScrutinizererr wut?00:08
DocScrutinizerno way00:08
DocScrutinizerI RAMloaded openmode kernel, rebooted and got back to all "sane" secure system00:09
jonniDocScrutinizer: itsnotabigtruck: actually nope, if you flasher -b signed kernel, you will still be in normal mode (but only if your signed kernel marches the certsw version), if you boot with pr1.0 signed kernel to pr1.1 certsw you will fail00:09
jonnifail = openmode00:09
rigowopen("/var/lib/ovi-adapter/known-products", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC|O_LARGEFILE|O_CLOEXEC, 0666) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)00:09
rigowopen("/proc/stat", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC)  = 700:09
rigowread(7, "cpu  8402 1675 3630 48262 2224 8"..., 8192) = 109800:09
DocScrutinizersorry, you lost me00:09
rigowclose(7)                                = 000:09
rigowfstat64(2, {st_mode=S_IFCHR|0620, st_rdev=makedev(136, 0), ...}) = 000:10
jonniso signed kernels only works per PR release00:10
rigowwrite(2, "Fatal error: Unable to open data"..., 117Fatal error: Unable to open database file for reading00:10
rigowFatal shutdown error: Unable to open database file for writing00:10
itsnotabigtruckright, treat "signed" as "matches sw cert"00:10
rigowwrite(6, "@", 1)                        = 100:10
rigowclose(6)                                = 000:10
rigowclose(5)                                = 000:10
rigowrt_sigaction(SIGCHLD, {SIG_DFL, [], SA_NOCLDSTOP|0x4000000}, {0x3ad48964, [], SA_NOCLDSTOP|0x4000000}, 8) = 000:10
itsnotabigtruckalso, reboot -u seems to power off the phone, rather than flash the staged kernel00:10
rigowexit_group(7)                           = ?00:10
rigownot really! NO! a dirt cheap permission problem?00:10
jonnirigow: I had the same kind of strace problems earlier today, but I solved it. are you running your commands as user or root?00:11
rigowwhoami -> root00:12
kkitoI changed the user password, maybe thats the problem with the upgrade :?00:12
jonniah, you might need to run them as user, atleast you could try: su - user00:12
itsnotabigtruckok, finally got it to flash the kernel, i think00:12
itsnotabigtruckand no disclaimer so far, so i think that may have done it00:13
DocScrutinizeron aegis, root has NO SPECIAL privileges00:13
DocScrutinizerso user can strace/kill/whatever user processes. Root mustn't00:14
rigowsame error if I run strace osa --discover00:14
rigowjonni, how did you solve the issue?00:15
jonnips aux|grep osa00:15
jonniif you have any instanses running you need to kill them all00:15
rigowas user or root?00:15
DocScrutinizeras owner of process00:15
jonnips aux|grep pkgmgr; same thing kill00:15
rigownone running00:16
rigowI made the ps commands as user00:16
itsnotabigtruckjonni: are you sure that reflashing the kernel resets the mode?00:16
rigowno osa or pkgmgr running00:16
DocScrutinizerif the process gets new privileges and/or user on starting it, your strace <process> will probably fail00:17
jonnimostly I just killed the stalling processes, removed /var/run/, then either used apt-get update, and checkec updates from the application manager UI refresh00:17
DocScrutinizeritsnotabigtruck: dang, there's nothing to reset00:17
jonniitsnotabigtruck: well atleast I've moved from open openmode pr1.1 back to stock normal pr1.1, so I'm quite sure00:17
DocScrutinizermode is a RAM state00:18
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer: no, mode is a bootloader configuration state00:18
DocScrutinizernot a bit flipped in flash00:18
itsnotabigtruckthe entireproblem is that i put my phone into open mode without flashing anything00:18
itsnotabigtruckif it wasn't like that before, it is with PR1.2's nolo00:18
itsnotabigtruckso the question is, what has to be done in order to flip that bit back00:18
DocScrutinizerthere is NO SUCH bit00:19
itsnotabigtruckand in the absence of a proper pr1.2 image, demolishing everything and reflashing isn't an option00:19
itsnotabigtruckneeds to be more targeted than that00:19
jonniin pr1.1 rescue kernel&initrd also flipped to open mode mode, and when you rebooted back to normal kernel, you got back into normal mode00:19
rigowno osa.pid00:19
itsnotabigtruckjonni: that doesn't seem to be the case on pr1.200:19
DocScrutinizeritsnotabigtruck: the only "bit" that's sticky is the root cert00:20
itsnotabigtruckwould reflashing the sw cert work?00:20
itsnotabigtruckbut i think the kernel updater also does the sw cert00:20
DocScrutinizerif you messed that up, you'll never again go back to "normal mode"00:20
jonniitsnotabigtruck: well I havent had time to test in pr1.2 yet, I'll test it next week when Im back from winter holidays00:20
jonnihmm, actually I have my spare N9 with me, so if I have spare time this week, I might test pr1.2 openmode...00:21
marsjehow long is "osa --discover" supposed to take?00:21
DocScrutinizerseveral Nokians reported they had to "send in" their HARM devices after messing with certs00:21
jonnimarsje: few seconds00:22
marsjejonni: then it hangs00:22
DocScrutinizernot even they can restore a nuked root cert00:22
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer: well, i'm pretty sure that hasn't been touched00:22
rigowmarsje, I think we have exactly the same issue00:23
jonniitsnotabigtruck: just out of curiosity, how do you know that you are on open mode? big warning on every boot?00:23
rigowif you install strace, I bet the thing chokes on the permission to /var/lib/ovi-adapter/known-products00:24
marsjerigow: I removed the extra repositories I aded to /etc/apt/sources.d/ and now try again00:24
itsnotabigtruckyup, and accli -I00:24
jonniitsnotabigtruck: and you havent flashed any kernels, just booted rescue once?00:25
jonniand uname -a gives?00:25
itsnotabigtruckLinux RM696 #1 PREEMPT Thu Dec 22 14:43:29 EET 2011 armv7l GNU/Linux00:26
rigowok, /var/lib/known-products is owned by user osa group osa00:30
rigowand is 64000:30
rigowna, its 44000:30
jonniah yes thats the right timestamp for the official kernel... I have a bit different version of compiled in my sb, maybe I'll test in there if it goes to open mode permanently.00:30
itsnotabigtruckand all this is because i wanted to take precautions against something exactly like this :(00:30
jonnirigow: after you killed all the stalling instances, you should just go to settings-applications-manageapps-updates and press the update button.00:31
jonniupdate-button -> refresh button even00:31
itsnotabigtruckok, time to try flashing the sw certificate and kernel using flasher00:32
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ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck, i know why nss wasn't working00:36
rigowdid that, now downloading truckloads of data00:36
ZogG_laptopcan someone give me black n9 global code?00:37
ZogG_laptopproduct code i mean00:37
marsjewow, my update is at 8%!00:38
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rigowaccording to navifirm00:38
jonni64gb and 16gb have different codes00:38
rigowthis is for the 64GB00:39
jonnimy black 64gb black has diffrent code than rigows so I quess there is regional differences too00:39
itsnotabigtruckok, doing the kernel using flasher didn't help anything00:40
rigowjonni, this was the one for the Global 64GB00:40
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ZogG_laptoprigow black global? 001?00:40
rigowI don't know what mine has, I assume the German 64GB black code00:40
jonniah roger, I guess my version is finland/europe 00100:40
kkitomarsje, how did you fix the "update interrupted" issue?00:41
kkitohow to retrieve the product code?00:41
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ZogG_laptopjonni black 64gb?00:41
ZogG_laptopcan you tell for sure and provide code?00:41
rigowthere are many of those, depends on what country version you want00:42
ZogG_laptopthe one with less changes and less cutoffs =)00:43
ZogG_laptopSazpaimon, what code you have and version and how happy you are ? =)00:44
rigowI have not experienced any cutoffs, my phone is of German origin00:44
rigowbut I use the english interface00:44
ZogG_laptop059K3S0: RM-696 64G GLOBAL BLACK SWAP - is this global as global or global as operator?00:45
marsjekkito: I removed all stuff from /etc/apt/sources.list.d/, did apt-get clean and apt-get update, and I disabled background connections (as I suspected the n9 was interrupting itself with checking mail/twitter/facebook/google)00:46
ZogG_laptop<rigow> is gloabl an operator?00:47
rigowit doesn't look like one in Navifirm, but I really can't tell00:48
ZogG_laptop059J239: RM-696 NDT SINGAPORE BLACK 64GB - this what i have now00:48
rigowwhere do you get that from?00:48
ZogG_laptopfrom list00:50
ZogG_laptopnice local mode show nokia's logo and local written on phone00:53
ZogG_laptopi think i succeeded to update it00:55
rigowmine blocked again00:55
Jaredoes anyone know what does the "support for videocalls" mean? An API for 3rd party apps?00:55
ZogG_laptopi  think the qml camera now has front00:56
itsnotabigtruckremember that product code is irrelevant00:57
itsnotabigtruckvariant code is what matters00:58
itsnotabigtruckthere's way more product codes than variant codes00:58
rigowJare, I think you can now do videocalls in skype00:58
rigowmarsje, what was left in your /etc/apt/sources.list.d ?00:59
ZogG_laptopand now i get software update services are unavilable now =)00:59
ZogG_laptopfrom nsu01:00
itsnotabigtruckwhat is "reboot -u" actually supposed to do01:00
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Jarerigow: well videocall support in gtalk and skype is still missing, so it must be something else then01:02
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck, - this code ia asctually defines area01:02
jonniJare: where is the releasenote that would say videocall support?01:03
Jarejonni: iirc I saw it in the sw upgrade notes01:04
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itsnotabigtruckjonni: ok, cert-sw and kernel reflash didn't do anything01:06
itsnotabigtruckany ideas what could possibly reset this?01:06
itsnotabigtruckonly things left to try flashing are CMT, rootfs, NOLO, and i'm not confident any of those would fix anything01:07
jonniitsnotabigtruck: lets see, I'm still flashing pr1.2 ro my CE device. I'll might have time to test custom kernels tomorrow on that. My current phone have special certs that allows custom kernels in normal mode so I cannot test in this device, since it never goes to open mode. :)01:08
itsnotabigtruckright, r&d cert kinda screws up the whole test01:08
jonniits saying 40% already, so tomorrow it should be up and running01:08
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itsnotabigtruckany ideas at least, without testing?01:09
* marsje 's N( says update is done, not rebooting01:09
marsjen9 that is01:09
jonniitsnotabigtruck:  wait for .bin files to appear01:09
itsnotabigtruckjonni: ok, what's plan B then :p01:09
DocScrutinizerso wait, we got an official pr1.2 for N9 now?01:09
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer: yup, it's the big news of the day01:09
itsnotabigtruckand since you don't mind putting your phone into open mode, it's quite trivial to do so01:10
jonniDocScrutinizer: yep, ssu 1.2 came out today01:10
DocScrutinizerwhat about source?01:10
DocScrutinizeranybody already bitched about sending a DVD?01:10
itsnotabigtruckproblem is that as far as i can tell you can't get back, data erasure or not :p01:10
itsnotabigtrucki think javispedro already put in a source code request, but that was before the pr1.2 final release01:11
jonniitsnotabigtruck: for me thats its not that big of a deal, since I have multiple N9's and I can even downgrade them if I want ;)01:11
itsnotabigtrucki still have a few tricks left up my sleeve but this is not what i wanted to spend the day on01:11
jonni(and I can cheat since I also have access to .bin files ;))01:12
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itsnotabigtruckjonni: and you're also able to look at the NOLO changelog and see exactly how they messed this up01:12
itsnotabigtruckthough i suppose that's classified01:12
DocScrutinizerjonni: but I heard Nokia is buying the modules *I* build, from reprots from MW today :-)01:13
jonnilets see 1st if there is anything that is messed up, but I'll get back on you with that tomorrow01:13
DocScrutinizerand that's where *I* have access to .bin and src01:13
jonniDocScrutinizer: good for your company :=)01:14
rigowhm, in case I have to flash, should I take EMMC_DACH.bin or OEM1-958_ARM.bin?01:15
DocScrutinizerIhonestly wonder ehat stuff they smoked that made them sell BB5 and now buy in knowhow from STE01:15
marsjerigow: I have aegis.ssu-keyring-001.list and osa.list in /etc/apt/sources.list.d01:15
* marsje has PR1.2 :)01:15
rigowthanks marsje01:16
ZogG_laptopwhat is ?01:16
marsjeZogG_laptop: do you have midnight commander?01:17
marsjeZogG_laptop: I was wondering the same before and it seems it's the repo for the midnight commander package01:17
rigowmine hangs again01:18
ZogG_laptopno i don't and it's down now =)01:18
ZogG_laptopor i have shortcuts though01:18
ZogG_laptopbut why would it add repo i got it from ovi i think01:18
ZogG_laptopnever added repo01:18
DocScrutinizer~seen javispedro01:19
infobotjavispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/contributor/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 30d 8h 24m 37s ago, saying: 'that just uses the operator logo bitmap I guess'.01:20
marsjeZogG_laptop: maybe the packages added it? anyway, I disabled it...01:20
* DocScrutinizer feels concerned... :-/01:20
rigowYay! 2% thanks marsje, removing the community repo did the trick01:21
marsjerigow: debian/ubuntu's installers do this automatically for you, but I guess nokia did not pay attention to this01:22
marsjeI already have a feature request for PR1.3: why does the mailclient only show 4 emails on the screen even with no preview? what a waste of space01:24
marsjemy S-E K810 shows more emails with a 320x240 screen01:25
marsjeoh, I see the new font... even more wasted space...01:26
ZogG_laptoprigow what are those % ?01:27
rigowPR 1.2 update01:27
marsjeZogG_laptop: update installation progress01:27
rigownow 29%01:27
marsjemuch better than 0%01:27
itsnotabigtruckbtw anyone know what an ENOS image is?01:27
marsjeok, good thing about 1.2: the "all online" button works01:28
ZogG_laptopi have 005 in list so how this guy who changed product key updated?01:30
marsjethe keyboard also seems bigger01:30
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itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer: still around? is erase-user-data normally required in order to revert open mode01:37
itsnotabigtruckas that's just about the one thing i haven't tested yet01:37
itsnotabigtruckand it does revert some other things like device lock01:37
DocScrutinizeritsnotabigtruck: not afaik01:38
* DocScrutinizer just tries to figure what's going to happen when a Nokia SSU update gets applied against an openmode system01:41
DocScrutinizermight easily result in current-version key stored to BB5 being signed with the oipenmode-key or sth01:42
DocScrutinizerthen you'd be thoroughly screwed regarding reverting to securemode01:43
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itsnotabigtrucki'd imagine you just end up with the new firmware, still in open mode01:43
itsnotabigtruckthough you'd be back to the unmodded kernel01:44
itsnotabigtruckbut AEGIS_FIXED_ORIGIN would still be on01:44
DocScrutinizeryou tried coldflashing?01:45
itsnotabigtruckthat's the next frontier01:45
DocScrutinizer(NFC if there'S any such thing at all in HARM)01:45
itsnotabigtruckoh, also, the other scenario with the ssu flash is that you'd end up in secure mode in an unbootable state01:45
ZogG_laptopok ay i added 001 repo01:46
itsnotabigtruckbut then booting that rescue kernel should be a surefire way to go back to open mode, heh01:46
ZogG_laptophow do i change mp-harmattan-005-pr to 001 ?01:46
rigowYay 1.2 good night folks and have fun01:46
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: it's tricky01:46
ZogG_laptopyeah i know01:46
itsnotabigtruckyou can do it, but don't do it unless you really know apt and can figure it out on your own01:46
itsnotabigtruckwell, in theory you can do it01:46
itsnotabigtrucki didn't have to do it because i'm on 00101:47
ZogG_laptopssu does that somehow01:47
itsnotabigtruckno, it doesn't01:47
itsnotabigtruckSSU never changes variants01:47
itsnotabigtruckthat's why it doesn't have that problem01:47
ZogG_laptopcssu does01:47
itsnotabigtruckssu basically just does an apt upgrade01:47
itsnotabigtruckwhich also triggers some flashing of stuff on the next boot01:47
itsnotabigtruckgotta run01:47
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ZogG_laptopfuck it - worth to try01:51
ZogG_laptopi'll do it and then reflash with nsu01:51
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itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: did you succeed?03:11
itsnotabigtruckbe careful, you can't reflash PR1.2 with NSU03:12
itsnotabigtruckalso, you can't reflash PR1.1 001 variant even after installing the 001 packages03:12
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beforddevice is uptodate :/ (on 1.1)03:32
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ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck on my way as there conflicts with some 005 and 001 packages03:58
ZogG_laptop20 more packages03:58
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: ok, what you need to do is find all 005 packages that are installed03:59
itsnotabigtruckand include them in a big list as03:59
itsnotabigtruckapt-get install mp-harmattan-001-pr package1- package2- package3- package4- and so on04:00
itsnotabigtruckyou need to do it as one giant operation04:00
ZogG_laptopyeah but prefer not to delete all in once but only conflicting04:00
itsnotabigtruckyou're going to fuck something up that way04:00
itsnotabigtruckthe 001-pr package *should* pull in all the 001 packages04:00
ZogG_laptopyeah i know04:00
itsnotabigtruckbecause all the 00x packages are mutually exclusive04:00
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ZogG_laptopdont see the point04:01
itsnotabigtruckalso, the 001 packages you're installing are pr1.2 packages04:01
itsnotabigtrucknot pr1.1 packages04:01
ZogG_laptopha hebrew package from one guy conflicts with official hebrew04:02
ZogG_laptopbtw after reboot kernel flashed or i need to execute some flag with reboot?04:03
ZogG_laptopthe problem i didnt back up =)04:05
ZogG_laptoplets see if it's bricked =)04:12
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck, it turned on =)04:13
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: w00t04:14
itsnotabigtruckthe command was reboot -u04:14
itsnotabigtruckthough it seems to have some funky behavior for me04:14
ZogG_laptopdevel-su has no reboot04:14
itsnotabigtruckyeah it does, you just have to qualify it with /sbin if you're using the terminal04:15
ZogG_laptopversion pr1.2 30.2012.07-1_pr_00104:15
itsnotabigtruckbtw is anyone aware of any way to examine the bootloader log04:15
ZogG_laptopdo i need to do ?04:15
itsnotabigtrucki want to know why it's deciding to engage open mode04:15
ZogG_laptopit would flash kernel?04:16
ZogG_laptopwhat kernel should pr1.2 have?04:16
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ZogG_laptopnew font on feed sucks04:20
itsnotabigtruckthat's the proper kernel, yeah04:22
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itsnotabigtruckthis open mode trigger stuff is definitely new04:24
itsnotabigtrucki'm examining the new bootloader, it has some stuff about a "trusted bit"04:24
itsnotabigtruckthat stuff is bad news :/04:24
ZogG_laptope-yes, ^ do not update =)04:27
itsnotabigtruckwell, it's OK if you don't mind being stuck in open mode04:28
itsnotabigtruckin my case i wasn't planning on doing open mode and got stuck by accident04:28
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ZogG_laptopbattery info is not showing all data now04:38
ZogG_laptopoh it does04:39
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Sazpaimon_why do so many laptops these days have glossy screen05:44
Sazpaimon_I just got the laptop I ordered last week, 17 inch 1080p matte screen05:44
Sazpaimon_its so good05:44
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njsfHi all05:50
njsfAnybody did here did the PR 1.2 OTA update?05:51
njsfMy _only_ problem is that fenix now does not launch at all05:51
njsfdid an strace of /usr/bin/fenix and it seems there are some issues with dbus comunication:05:52
njsfrecvmsg(9, {msg_name(0)=NULL, msg_iov(1)=[{"l\2\1\1\v\0\0\0\1\0\0\0=\0\0\0\6\1s\0\6\0\0\0:1.141\0\0"..., 2048}], msg_controllen=0, msg_flags=MSG_CMSG_CLOEXEC}, MSG_CMSG_CLOEXEC) = 26205:52
njsfrecvmsg(9, 0xae92e45c, MSG_CMSG_CLOEXEC) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)05:52
njsfbut it proceeds, so it may be ok...05:53
njsfa bit more ahead it fails to stat /etc/xdg/Trolltech.conf05:53
njsfand after some timeouts on fds it then exits05:53
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itsnotabigtruckbe advised that this PR1.2 OTA update is playing with fire06:08
itsnotabigtrucki'm already regretting pulling the trigger06:08
itsnotabigtruckthe actual update is cool, it's the distribution that's a problem - if anything goes wrong, you're completely hosed, and there's more ways for things to go wrong than ever06:08
itsnotabigtruckand for some reason certain figures at nokia think it's a good idea to sit on proper releases of firmware, and let everyone get owned with the SSU first06:09
Richlv"It could show at least 1 persons name like "Steven Eflop or 2 other contacts".06:09
RichlvSo I can ignore the call. :-)"06:09
Richlvbest bugreport ever06:09
Richlvitsnotabigtruck, now you scared me. what would be the things to beware of when upgrading ?06:11
Richlvand yeah, releasing proper fw images so that reflashing would be possible would be very good...06:11
itsnotabigtruckRichlv: it turns out that there's a tainted bit stored on the flash06:17
itsnotabigtruckall sorts of things can cause that bit to be set06:17
itsnotabigtruckthe old bootloader apparently ignored that bit, but the new bootloader puts you into open mode06:19
itsnotabigtruckthe practical result of that is that various things you could do before (like booting into a "rescue kernel") will flip the bit06:20
itsnotabigtruckand because they haven't released an image, it can't be flipped back06:20
itsnotabigtrucknot something that normal users will run into, but if you do run into it, it's a problem06:22
itsnotabigtruckthat's the problem with most of these "security" measures in general06:22
itsnotabigtruckthey provide no real security to either nokia or the user, they just backfire on people doing unusual things06:22
Richlvmm... so if i got this correctly, downgrading isn't an option, but 1.2 isn't available for download at all yet ?06:22
itsnotabigtruckisn't it awesome :p06:23
Richlvi think it backfires on all users06:23
Richlvmy device broke (possibly) because i updated it over a slow wifi06:23
Richlvand had to restart a few times06:23
itsnotabigtruckas for the update itself, yeah, there were a bunch of people reporting issues this morning06:23
Richlvi would be MIGHTY pissed off if there would be no downgrade & no new image06:23
itsnotabigtruckdue to there being no flasher images there's not much that can be done about it06:23
Richlvand then the fact that they don't really actually offer those images w/o some win-only software or somesuch06:24
itsnotabigtruckthere's actually a web interface someone made to nokia's firmware backend06:24
* Richlv sends some flour to seteven e06:24
itsnotabigtruckalso admiral0 made a perl script that downloads the image06:25
itsnotabigtruckthough that website is nicer06:25
Richlvitsnotabigtruck, oh, neat. do you have a link to the script ?06:25
itsnotabigtrucknot atm, just google it06:25
itsnotabigtruckalso the ironic thing is that i got into this whole situation because i wanted to image my N9, to be able to recover in situations like this06:26
itsnotabigtruckbut it turns out it's a moot point because with this new taint bit you can't do restore the image anyway, if it works the way i think it does06:27
Richlvnot even the same version ?06:27
Richlvfound the thread about firmware downloading script :
Richlvalthough the last comment on that thread...  - "Definately user full when u r on linux ...."06:29
itsnotabigtruckRichlv: not even the same version, because the hash of the image itself matters06:30
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meceso I can't seem to install the app updates directly on N950. Is there a trick to it?08:04
befordI think there is no OTA for n950 atm08:05
befordyou need to use the Oneclickflasher08:05
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mardySazpaimon_: hi! If you have questions with account plugins, feel free to ask me08:35
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ieatlintheh, only one of my n9s has the 1.2 update so far09:00
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itsnotabigtruckbtw did anyone ever figure out what the extent of video call support is?09:08
itsnotabigtruckit seems like no one talked about it during the beta, and no one's found it in this version09:08
itsnotabigtruckfrom the description of mp-harmattan-001-pr: Your Nokia N9 will get support for video calls, app folders on the home screen, new features for camera and gallery, and much more.09:09
ArkanoiD-Hmm, i see 9 updates on my n950 with n9 repository enabled, 3 of them failed (twitter, facebook and drive)09:09
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ArkenoiHmm, i see 9 updates on my n950 with n9 repository enabled, 3 of them failed (twitter, facebook and drive)09:12
Arkenoiaegis rejecting ...foursquare-ov..:package foursquare-ov already installed from '' -- not replacing it from less trusted source '' -- wtf?09:15
itsnotabigtruckfoursquare is a nokia package now?09:17
Arkenoimight be09:19
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Arkenoibtw, if i try to install twitter via apt-get it suggests to remove mp-harmattan-rm680-pr and a good half of the system09:20
ieatlintdo it09:20
ieatlintthen report back09:20
Arkenoii don't think I am going to :-)09:21
JackaLXdon't think I'd be that brave as to try that09:21
Arkenoilooks like twitter cannot be updated separately09:22
Arkenoipr package depends on exact version09:22
Arkenoiso stupid09:23
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mecebut you should be able to remove meta package without removing the actual packages..09:25
DocScrutinizerArkenoi: same as it ever was09:28
DocScrutinizerand btw main reason for CSSU09:28
Arkenoimece: and it won't update automatically with OTA.. WAIT!!! It won't anyway!09:29
meceso can one do that?09:30
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DocScrutinizeractually this kinky method of bundling everything into one metapkg is the admission that they don't feel like they were capable to manage dependencies and upward compatibility09:31
meceDocScrutinizer, ok but can we remove the pr meta package without destroying stuff? Does something actually depend on the meta package?09:32
DocScrutinizernope, nuttin depends on MPR09:32
DocScrutinizerhowever a lot of pks get included in a weird way by MPR and might get autoremoved when you remove MPR09:33
DocScrutinizeralso all updates are against MPR only09:33
mecebut do they get autoremoved even if you dont apt-get autoremove?09:34
DocScrutinizerusually not09:34
meceheh fun tiems.09:34
DocScrutinizerthough obviously that depends on what nightmare the dependencies maintainer @ Nokia had the night before deployment of the FW pkg09:35
DocScrutinizerof course you *can* make XY rdepend on MPR09:35
DocScrutinizerbut I've not yet seen *this*09:36
meceapt-get remove mp-harmattan-rm680-pr gives me the following packages will no longer be needed [huge fuckin list] the following package will be removed mp-harmattan-rm680-pr09:37
DocScrutinizeragain Nokia's weird notion of FOSS shows up: control everything and forcefeed it to user09:37
Arkenoii think you need to install them all explicitly to avoid autoremoval then09:37
meceit's doable tho, I mean you get the list from the command :)09:38
DocScrutinizer"you're not supposed to update single pkg, WE (=Nokia) will do that for you with next PR release"09:38
rigowDocScrutinizer, they are learning, slowly learning :)09:38
rigowAND they are concerned aboot breaking the user experience as they have to compete with the absolutely controlled Apple platform09:39
Arkenoibreaking linux so badly it turns into "firmware" which needs to be "flashed" for every trivial upgrade is damn stupid09:39
rigowwith a windows flasher only please09:39
rigowbut they already lost, you have ssh access09:40
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Arkenoiah, so merge bug that does not let you to have sensible contact list, self-disconnecting 3G, randomly dying subsystems including phone and SMS do NOT break user experience and ability to update smoothly does. ok, ok.09:41
jonniheh, my CE devices ssu didnt update kernel on 1st try... had to manually put it to upgrade mode from commandline, before it updated it :)09:41
jonnibut now it seems to have right kernel with pr1.209:41
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rigowthis is like trying to hold water by putting ten fingers in strainer09:42
rigowArkenoi, if it would be KDE or ubuntu, I would mark it solved .. :)09:43
DocScrutinizerwell, AIUI there's always been that schizophrenia in Nokia, between true devels that would like to deploy a decent *nix system and even hate aegis, and the product damagers that want a "iPhone, just better and cheaper (for them)"09:43
rigowsorry, resolved09:43
infobotfrom memory, update is
jonniwell Im happily using aegis in both open mode and normal mode, aegis is pretty nice (if you manage to relax it's policy rules a bit).09:44
rdnzlis there a way to download n9 firmware without using navifirm?09:45
DocScrutinizeraegis *might* be bearable and maybe even useful to some extent, if and only if **user got a root cert at his discretion** and **there were decent manpages**09:46
jonnirdnzl: by http if you know the url09:46
rdnzljonni: yea, seems i cannot find proper url09:47
DocScrutinizeranother clusterfuck invented by Nokia: dependency on navifirm09:47
jonniDocScrutinizer: well thats what I mean by relaxed rules, I've installed myself custom root cert that allows me to sign as for me personal packages ;-)09:47
JackaLXrdnzl:  although PR1.2 is not available from Navifirm yet (last I looked)09:47
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jonniyes you can only find PR1.1 flash files for a while09:48
TermanaIs the N950 getting the final PR 1.2 or being left on the beta version?09:49
DocScrutinizerwhich is about as silly err stupid a update deployment concept as it possibly might get09:49
jonniTermana: N950 always only get betas09:49
rdnzl1.1 is all i want - the 1.2 ota f**cked up my phone badly - i cannot even install other things now09:49
matrixxnice, snooze and stop buttons are now further from each other in alarm app :)09:49
DocScrutinizersee what I mean^^^09:49
jonnirdnzl: have you tried:   devel-su; reboot -u;09:50
JackaLXrdnzl: erm, you can't go backwards in versions when flashing09:50
qronicjonni, could you tell how you upgraded kernel? I've got PR1.2 installed, but kernel is PR1.1's09:50
jonnirdnzl: for me that fixed the osa f*ckup and after reboot -u install works again09:50
jonniqronic: devel-su; /sbin/reboot -u09:50
rdnzli'm still on 1.1 as it seems - i have the 0% install abort symptom09:51
jonniqronic: that will get device in upgrade more and it flashes the staged pr1.2 kernel into your device09:51
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jonniqronic: I had the same problem this morning that filesystem was pr1.2 but kernel still was pr1.1, with reboot -u it got fixed09:51
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DocScrutinizeris there at very least a proper changelog for kernel?09:53
rdnzlshame i cannot even re-install dev-mode/sdk - no ssh, no terminal :(09:53
DocScrutinizersee what I mean^^^09:53
jonnirdnzl: yep if you didnt have developer mode installed before ssu, then your screwed09:53
DocScrutinizerno flash-image - no fun09:53
DocScrutinizerNokia really knows how to fsck users09:54
* RST38h moos and inquires if the official PR1.2 for N950 is out09:54
rigowDocScrutinizer, they are not dependend on navifirm if the only thing it does is masking http requests :)09:54
rigowthen it is just a matter of interface09:54
jonnirdnzl: but if you say re-install dev-mode then it would indicate that you had dev mode before update...09:54
qronicjonni, you've made my day! thanks you!!09:54
infobotqronic meant: jonni, you've made my day! thank you!!09:54
rigowand I know some people in Nokia that are capable to install an apache server, I think :)09:55
DocScrutinizerrigow: sure, but what'S the rationale for hiding files on that nokia server behind URLs like adxjkhasg lv LJGV  HGDI LFZWL GI FUZWL wF LGSZ A HJSHJAKJSH VS09:55
rigowohhh, I can top you! In W3C, everything is in datespace09:55
rigowharmattan would be 2006/04/23/harmattan09:56
rdnzljonni: i had dev-mode, yes - BUT sshd was gone at some point - so i decided to reinstall dev-mode and now i have nothing :)09:56
jonnirationale is that end users are not supposed to flash them themselves as usually they pick wrong version by mistake or by purpose and brick their devices.09:56
rigowonly because this happened to be the first date somebody created a first file concerning that topic09:56
rigowand no interface to find that ;)09:57
DocScrutinizerjonni: now whose fault is that? ;-)09:57
jonnirdnzl: yep, that is a pain, usually after a ssu, if installer complains anything, you should not reinstall anything, since that will break things, only way to fix is to reboot -u and only do reinstalls after that one09:57
rigowother than cvs by the W3C natives and "find -name"09:58
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jonnifirst thing after ssu, I did uname -a, and noticed that kernel still is the old one, so I did reboot -u and then again uname -a to see that kernel really is pr1.2 kernel09:58
rdnzlok. too late now. can i flash 1.1 over or am i completely borked?09:58
DocScrutinizerthe latter09:59
DocScrutinizerat least more than #110:00
jonnirdnzl: that depends, if it managed to flash 1.2 swcert you cannot downgrade, but if it didnt even flash pr1.2 rootfs then you can flash 1.1 back10:00
jonniif you managed to flash pr1.2 rootfs, then most likely you have to just wait intill 1.2 flash images comes to that 3rd party sw10:00
* DocScrutinizer ponders to market a hw-flasher for BB5 NAND10:01
jonnior take device to nokia care10:01
rigowjonni, can't you just iron over if something went terribly wrong, like for a laptop?10:01
rdnzlok. so its worth a try10:01
jonnirigow: well you can if you would have access to internal tools, but as an end user you cannot10:01
qronicwhat's the purpose of cmtImage-9.2.2011.50? is it for bootloader?10:02
rigowDocScrutinizer, why don't you create a linux-flasher with img integrated and sell that?10:02
rigowno, you can't do that, you would get too rich ;)10:02
DocScrutinizerrigow: thanks to Nokia product damagers' eternal wisdom you're not allowed to "iron over"10:02
jonniyou can just make 2 line shellscript for linux that has the flasher and image :)10:02
rigowjonni, that will make you happy, but not rich. You need a 10MB KDE GUI for your shell script!10:03
jonniwell your not allowed to iron over iphone, ps3, wii, xbox360 etc, so its not that new thing that downgrade is not allowed.10:03
DocScrutinizerqronic: cmt == modem10:03
* Arkenoi does not own any of those10:04
qronicDocScrutinizer, thanks10:04
rigowso if I bricked my phone, I go back to Nokia and what do they do?10:04
DocScrutinizerI.E. this is the culprit why you can't downgrade10:04
DocScrutinizerrigow: they sacrifice a hamster, then plug it to their phoenix flasher and do a complete reflash10:05
JackaLXrigow: probably try to sell you a lumia :-P10:05
gabriel9not a hamster10:05
gabriel9they did nothing wrong10:05
rigowJackaLX, can't you flash Meego on a lumia? I heard it is the same hardware10:06
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JackaLXrigow: don't know.10:06
rigowso back to the days of installing linux on laptops by discarding windows? :)10:06
DocScrutinizerjonni: it's however A DAMN NEW thing that Nokia NITs try to be as bad as Apple10:07
DocScrutinizerrigow: not at all same hw10:07
DocScrutinizersame (or similar) case10:08
JackaLXdoesn't lumia have an extra hw button somewhere?10:08
DocScrutinizerooh, and a different SoC (minor detail)10:08
rigowand nobody has done an image to do a complete flash of the lumia10:09
DocScrutinizeryou'll not want to hold your breath for that10:10
rigowsounds like a good challenge for some of the bored kiddies10:10
DocScrutinizerI'd bet hooker is tivoized to the last gate on SoC10:11
meceok... I wonder if this will work....10:11
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meceapt-get install [all packages in mp-harmattan-rm680-pr]10:12
DocScrutinizerbtw jonni - you claimed NOLO been like "enter openmode when loading unsigned kernel" since very first version. I disagree10:13
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DocScrutinizerIIRC there's been a major problem with exactly this, in firat N950 NOLOs10:14
DocScrutinizerit's been supposed to behave like that, but in fact didn't10:14
dm8tbrIIRC that was fixed in the first updated OCF10:15
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DocScrutinizerafter I bitched the shit out of each and every channel about it ;-P10:15
xmlich02_i am trying to update my n9, I think there is an systematic problem. I have already tried to do factory reset, but without result10:16
DocScrutinizerYAY, fun times these days10:16
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rantomDropbox-account in PR1.2 is for writing only, not for reading? Meaning that one can't sync existing contents from Dropbox to the N9 with that account?10:17
* DocScrutinizer wonders why nobody here feels abused by Nokia, when they deploy a flaky SSU and rely on IRC and other community chan for 1st level helpdesk10:17
mece129 packages to be upgraded, 1 removed, 45 not upgraded10:17
Arkenoiquite strange, messaging application *suddenly* stopped looking up for text (not numerics) when finding appropriate contact card for incoming message10:17
Arkenoifor SMS10:18
qronicjust seen a report that pr1.2 is in navifirm already10:18
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Arkenoiif i get a message from non-numeric origin, it never looks up now :-(10:18
TheBootroooh, hai !10:19
DocScrutinizerwhatever, I have to run10:19
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arceanmece: remove mp-harmattan-rm680-pr and then run apt-get --simulate upgrade10:23
mecewhat would that do?10:23
meceuh.. done :)10:24
arceanmece: apt-get upgrade upgraded for me c.a. 170 packages10:24
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rigowxmlich02_ does it hang after having downloaded the update?10:24
rdnzlhow do i translate naviperl's output into product code? is 'RM-696 NDT AUSTRIA BLACK 64GB' ok for 059j1v4?10:24
meceI guess I should reboot...10:24
dm8tbrnaviperl? someone reimplemented navifirm in perl? :D10:25
rigowLOL at DocScrutinizer, you should have seen the responses from Nokia support (probably located in Kongo)10:25
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jreznikheh, seems like update deleted all my alarms :) but I'll make the morning meeting :)10:25
dm8tbrrdnzl: neat :D10:26
rdnzlhm. now i have 5 choices og .bin/.vpl/.dcp - which do i need? darn mess10:27
TheBootroostill no update for my N9 Black 64GB european (sw)10:27
mecedid you try apt?10:27
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xmlich02_rigow, it does not download the update10:30
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meceok I think I've now got PR1.2 final packages...10:30
meceyesss twitter fast scroll is finally there :)10:30
xmlich02_in the middle of it switches to airplane mode10:30
xmlich02_i can provide access to ssh console10:30
meceso that thing I did worked fine and nothing is scheduled for autoremoval10:30
arceanmece: at least for now nothing is scheduled :P10:31
mecehehe :)10:31
rigowhave you tried to reboot and do osa --discover?10:31
mecewhat does that do?10:31
arceanI'm wondering if the Nokia Store app is still working fine10:31
rigowI learned yesterday, that this looks for upgrades10:32
meceI'll try10:32
xmlich02_but i am currently on meeting, so i can prepare the tunnel in one hour10:32
mecechecking ovi store..10:32
arceanmece: k, I'm in work now10:32
meceok ovi store works fine. At least for installing free apps.10:34
arceanmece: thx for info :)10:34
jreznikxmlich02_: it offered switch to airplan mode, I just said no and it finished correctly10:35
jreznikphako: ping, I did a quick try tomorrow morning - I can't list any images/music on latest ps3 fw, I can list movies (I'll try to get dump today in the evening)10:37
phakojreznik: you are aware that the PS3 only shows the respective media type?10:38
phakoi.e. when browsing for videos it'll only show videos?10:38
rigowxmlich02_, no I won't ssh into your phone to fix or mess whatever10:39
jreznikphako: while browsing videos - it shows list o videos, but not for images and music category10:39
phakojreznik: ok, just wanted to make sure10:39
jreznikI was in hurry in the morning, so it's all for now10:40
xmlich02_what should "osa --discover" exactly do?10:42
rigowdiscover the update10:44
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rigowmine was downloading everything, but not updating10:45
rigowso I had to kill all osa and pkgmgr10:45
phakojreznik: do you have shell access on that device?10:45
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rigowrevert /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ to the original state10:46
rigowand then it worked, but it took a long time (40min) and the first 5 min it will just stay at 0%10:46
jreznikphako: yep (if you're talking about n9/n950, not ps3 :)10:47
phakojreznik: yep10:47
decibyterigow: "revert". how do i know what files should be there, containnig what?10:47
amppai wonder if the old version of nokia pure font is available10:52
amppaand legal to include with an application10:52
amppathat would save me from doing rather dirty hacks to keep layouts nice on PR 1.2 as well as on the older ones10:53
phakojreznik: do you have a file called /home/user/.local/share/rygel/dlna_upgrade_done.stamp ?10:57
jreznikphako: mtg in 3 minutes... later10:58
phakojreznik: sure, np10:58
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rigowdecibyte, there should be a file osa.list and a file aegis(yaddayadda).list11:07
rigowif you have additional files there, you have enabled other repositories and this seems to mess up the semantic analysis of dpkg dependencies and something goes wrong11:08
arceanmece: how many packages have you updated by apt-get upgrade? for me it was something like ~17511:11
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CityLightsyesterday I updated my n9 as it asked and it doesnt power on since11:16
CityLightsI got the flasher11:16
CityLightsand now need to download the firmware11:16
CityLightsIn case I bouhgt the phone in th usa and want to use an Israel firmaware is it ok?11:17
CityLightsboth are 16Bg11:17
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decibyterigow: okay, just those 2 files? not the harmattan.list file?11:27
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mecearcean, 129 updated, 45 not updated11:36
qronicbtw, echo 1 > /etc/aegis/logging makes validator-init log it's stuff into /etc/aegis/validator-init.log on boot11:37
rdnzli'm confused now: i can download DFL61_HARMATTAN_30.2012.07-1_PR_LEGACY_001-OEM1-958_ARM.bin - this seems to be the flashable 1.2 image. correct?11:37
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arceanmece: hmm, and what was holded/not upgraded?11:44
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decibytedoes some sort of log exist to find out why my update is interrupted?11:47
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CityLightsitsnotabigtruck: yesterday you told me to flash in order to recover my N911:53
pinheiro_guys no keyboard how can i get those back?11:54
mecearcean nothing was holded11:56
mecearcean, wait I didn't actually do upgrade, I did
arceanmece: I just run apt-get upgrade, about 175 packages were updated and only harmattan metapackage removed12:00
Piruahh just updated my N9 to 1.212:02
pinheiro_lost the keybord after the update btw12:04
pinheiro_what is the name of the keybord pakage12:07
rigowdecibyte, if you have some aegis.something.list file, the harmattan.list is additional. Save it to your homedir12:10
rigowadditionally, you may want to switch off background connections and also put the phone on power12:10
grinorway n9 also got the update now12:15
pinheiro_guys keybord? the cell becomes mostly useless without the keybords12:16
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decibyteokay, at 2% now. best result so far.12:29
decibytei uninstalled libssl1.0.0 after apt-get update giving me this: "Errors were encountered while processing: libssl1.0.0". could that be the cause for an interrupted update?12:29
jonnirdnzl: atleast your filename looks valid for pr 1.2 image12:30
rdnzlhere's progress as well: just finished flashing pr1.212:30
rdnzlseems to be ok so far12:31
rdnzljonni: yes it is12:31
rigowdecibyte, if you have done customized things in developer mode, you may want to run apt-get clean12:33
decibyterigow: i propably have :) it seems to be installing now. will try that if it fails again.12:33
decibyterigow: and thanks!12:34
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rlinfatiyay.... is the firmware 30.2012-7 in navifirm :)12:45
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decibytehooray! update complete <312:59
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rlinfatiis tmo down ?13:05
grijonni: Did you android test application run out of the box? Mine starts, loads qml files and quits and I've got "W/Qt (15396): WARNING: QApplication was not created in the main() thread." in my console13:07
rhkfinN950 & PR1.2beta. Got some updates yesterday, most of the stuff updated OK but updating twitter, facebook & drive fail complaining 'not being compatible with other installed apps'. What to do?13:09
jonnigri: what android test app?13:10
grijonni: I saw your name on the mailing list for qt components on android13:10
grimaybe that was not you? :)13:10
grioh damn, it's "Jonny" not "Jonni" - I need coffee.13:11
jonnirlinfati: yep tmo is down, you should use instead.13:17
rlinfatiFYI: a7008f6764370150d418059f3ba82710  DFL61_HARMATTAN_30.2012.07-1_PR_LEGACY_001-OEM1-958_ARM.bin13:19
rlinfati115d2c128fde67fddb9d802b416d8b0b  DFL61_HARMATTAN_30.2012.07-1.NOMAPS_EMMC_NOMAPS.bin13:19
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pahow did nokia improve the h264 decoder with pr1.2?13:36
padoes it support 720p high profile decoding now?13:36
pait's really annoying it doesnt support it , it basically stops from playing youtube hd13:37
paand the only reason i might give the phone back13:38
pathis nokia being so cheap on hardware sucks.. they claimed it's because it costed less to port meego.. but now they have to spend optimizing the decoder.. so it wasnt such a smart move after all13:39
arceanrhkfin: firstly you have to remove harmattan metapackege then you can run apt-get upgrade or like mece did:
jonnipa: well you can test if yourself, there was some decoder driver improvements.13:48
pai dont have PR1.2 yet13:50
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jonniatleast hd videoclips seems to be playing just fine in pr1.213:52
jonniI just tested 2 clips that came 1st13:53
payou mean 720p?13:54
pathats a good test, i can test with mine on the same clip13:54
jonniwell I dont know what resolution they are, just hd icon is selected13:54
payou should be able to select it i think13:55
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jonnithere is only hd on/off button, no button to select the resolution13:56
payou can find a mkv high profile sample here14:02
palike planet 114:02
RST38hMeanwhile: Bone-bothering boffins build GIANT penguin from fossils14:07
pajonni, here, even the video Shrinkage mp4 play like shit14:12
pathe 27mb 720p main profile mp414:13
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paPlanet 2 goes maybe 0.5 fps14:13
meceRST38h, umm video or pics or it didn't happen!14:14
rhkfinarcean: ok thanks14:15
pajonni, can you try on your pr1.2?14:15
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gabriel9how can some countries hae angry birds for free?14:16
gabriel9and my don't14:16
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paso basically no one here tested the h264 video decoder in pr1.2?14:23
jonnipa: it works fine with hd files, for custom 720p high profile wont work, since that resolution is totally wrong for mobile devices.14:23
pajonni, does it work with main profile at least?14:24
jonnididnt see main profile files in you page14:24
pai know that resolution is too high for mobile device, but one cant be transcoding stuff all the time for carring it around14:24
decibyteanyone remember the location of the css file defining the format of the date shown below the clock in lock screen?14:24
pajonni, try Shrinkage14:25
pait's 720 main mp414:25
jonniah there was main profile too, that didnt work either, dont know was it because of mkv or aac14:25
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padidnt work, or worked bad?14:25
pamp4s play here14:26
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pajust extremely slowly14:26
rhkfinHas anyone else using a localized version (Finnish in this case) faced this:  (apt-get asks Haluatko jatkaa [K/e] and the only acceptable positive answer is y. k and K are interpreted as no.)14:27
jonnipa: plays for second and then player notices that resolution is too high for smooth play and stops the player14:27
paah okay14:27
payeah, so it doesnt work14:28
pabloody cheap nokia14:28
paselling an omap3630.. something 3 years old almost14:28
jonniits a mobile and not a laptop, mobile youtube hd uses 480p which is quite optimized for the resolution.14:29
pathe first video i found on mobile youytube, in HQ, seemed quite pixelated14:29
padidnt look matching too much the screen resolution14:30
pathat should be 480p, indeed14:30
paand by the way how silly is it that it can encode 720p but cant decode? :)14:31
jonniwith software you can encode 1080p :)14:32
pano, i mean from the camera14:32
paN9 is capable of making 720p videos, but cant play 720p videos..14:32
paprobably they are base profile14:33
paso probably it can play them14:33
jeffrey04huh, video playback is still not optimized in PR1.2?!14:33
DocScrutinizer51with software I can encode 86865fubar14:33
pawhat do you mean with software? here im talking about real time 720p encoding from the camera14:35
DocScrutinizer51rhkfin: ageold bug14:36
jonniwell it can play the 720p encoded cameraclips just fine. so I quess it depends what codec is beeing used.14:36
pai think those are h264 base profile14:37
DocScrutinizer51yup, most likely14:38
pai wonder if it can play 480p high profile14:38
pai could accept transcoding movies to carry them around, after all it would take less space14:38
paand it might make sense14:38
DocScrutinizer51base profile supported in hw afaik14:38
itsnotabigtruckjonni: did you have a chance to turn up anything w/ the flash?14:40
itsnotabigtrucki *think* flashing with everything matching the cert-sw is supposed to set the trusted bit again, but that clearly isn't an option14:41
itsnotabigtruckunless it is...the images showed up overnight14:42
jonnibin files are avail already14:43
itsnotabigtruckyep, just found that out, right after speaking like usual, heh14:43
jonnihavent had time to test rescue kernel yet, I just got the pr1.2 installed14:43
itsnotabigtruckwell, it's clearly not a bug, it's a "feature"14:44
itsnotabigtruckthere's a "trusted bit" in CAL that's turned off by doing a lot of things, it used to be ignored, now NOLO processes it in a rather aggressive way14:45
itsnotabigtruckever booting any untrusted anything = trusted bit off = full reflash required14:45
rhkfinDocScrutinizer51: ageold bug and i think I've seen it on desktops too - where should it be reported so maybe someone would fix it at some stage..?14:45
itsnotabigtruckhrm, TMO is down14:47
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itsnotabigtruckfor some reason they skipped my (001) product code with the flash image distribution14:52
itsnotabigtrucknot to worry since the images are the same, but...not this stuff agai14:52
jonniitsnotabigtruck: yep, people should use instead14:53
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KhertanHello all !14:54
itsnotabigtruckalmost done downloading one point two jiggabytes14:55
itsnotabigtruckin fact it's close to 1.21 jiggabytes on the dot :D14:56
itsnotabigtruckCityLights: did you figure out the flash14:57
pajonni, now im getting the big buck bunny trailer 480p14:57
pai'll tell you if it can play high profile14:58
rigowdam, harmattan email client will not talk to authenticated exim15:03
rigowwill solve another time15:03
gabriel9is there any good tutorial for 3d for qt quick?15:05
gabriel93d graphic15:05
payou mean opengl?15:06
marsjerigow: you mean to send email?15:06
pawell i dont know about qt quick, but for qglwidget there are plenty15:06
gabriel9that opengl is scary :D15:06
pawell opengl is scary indeed15:06
itsnotabigtruckno disclaimer, yay15:06
gabriel9but i need to create this game which is my head15:07
gabriel9i will explode15:07
rigowmarsje, I have TLS on port 587 to an exim instance. I configure it and it keeps on asking for my password. I don't know how to access the logs where and how to debug. There are no meaningful logs server side15:07
CityLightsitsnotabigtruck: well , no15:07
paif you want to create a 3D game in opengl, it takes a while15:07
CityLightsitsnotabigtruck: I trust the first url to get the flasher , as I used it with my n90015:07
rigows/TLS/smtp on TLS/15:08
pait requires way more than just knowing opengl15:08
infobotrigow meant: marsje, I have smtp on TLS on port 587 to an exim instance. I configure it and it keeps on asking for my password. I don't know how to access the logs where and how to debug. There are no meaningful logs server side15:08
itsnotabigtruckCityLights: btw the firmware image for pr1.2 just came out15:08
CityLightsthe second lin to the firmware , was odd15:08
itsnotabigtruckso assuming you want pr1.2, download that15:08
decibyteitsnotabigtruck: du yo have a link?15:08
rigowgood bot!15:08
gabriel9i know js, php, some math also15:08
gabriel9some c++15:08
pai think i recently got a 3D gaming pack with books and stuff, that is about 40gb ;)15:08
CityLightsam I allowed to use a diffrent image then where I bought the device?15:08
CityLightscan I load an Israelly image on a usa machine?15:08
gabriel9and played lots of games15:08
itsnotabigtrucknavifirm+, browse to n9 > 30.2012.7.1 > pick anything in the list15:08
itsnotabigtruckand yes, you can15:08
paCityLights, really? is it possible to flash now with pr1.2 001?15:09
CityLightsitsnotabigtruck: is it possible to download the image from nokia?15:09
CityLightsso I trust it?15:09
itsnotabigtrucki just told you, yes15:09
itsnotabigtruckwell, navifirm is a gui program that downloads from a nokia server15:09
CityLightsI am on it now15:09
itsnotabigtrucknokia doesn't have a web page or anything for it, they don't want users doing this stuff15:09
CityLightsneed I get the only the big 1Gb file , or do I need thte rest of them?15:10
itsnotabigtruckbut the relevant managers don't seem to understand that users often have to do this stuff15:10
itsnotabigtruckCityLights: you need the 2 large files15:10
itsnotabigtruckthe PR_LEGACY one and the EMMC one15:10
CityLightsyou are very kind - thanks15:10
itsnotabigtruckjust pick one of the NDT 16GB ROW entries in the list15:11
itsnotabigtruckROW = rest of world = no maps included = shorter download15:11
KhertanDoes some have still network problem with n950 ? Since beta pr1.2 the 3G and 2G network crash and never recover, so i can't call, or receive call15:11
arceanKhertan: nope, but I haven't had problems with network so far15:12
Khertanhum ...15:13
Khertanpretty annonoying15:13
arceanyeah, I can imagine15:13
* Khertan time to come back to n90015:13
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paitsnotabigtruck, what is all the other crap for?  vpl, signature, dcp, etc?15:14
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pa(btw downloading the legacy and emmc :))15:15
itsnotabigtruckpa: most of it's used by NSU or nokia care suite for various stuff15:16
itsnotabigtrucke.g. official nokia stores are supposed to print out a new imei label if they change a phone's product code15:16
itsnotabigtruckso there's templates for doing that15:16
pabut do i lose warranty by reflashing?15:16
CityLightsis qgil around here?15:16
itsnotabigtruckif you don't do anything weird, no15:16
itsnotabigtruckif you screw up with flasher, probably15:16
arceanKhertan: maybe you should try to reflash it again ? :D15:16
Khertanarcean: hum ... i didn't see why it ll be better15:17
Khertanafter reflash15:17
itsnotabigtruckin theory they might not like it if you send in an N9 with an interchanged region code15:17
pai still have to pay my phone.. and not sure whether i want to keep it :)15:17
Khertansometime it s work sometime it s don't15:17
arceanKhertan: but then, why it's working for me?15:17
arceanahh, I see15:17
qronichm, can somebody check if they can enter + sign in Phone app on PR1.2?15:18
Khertanarcean: i ll try .. but probably something related to different usage too :)15:18
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Khertancould be due to backup too15:19
itsnotabigtruckif you flash to the 001 pr1.2 firmware, you can still flash back to your local region's firmware when it arrives15:19
arceanKhertan: yeah, could be. I have always active 3G, so I would know if it's dropping connection15:19
itsnotabigtruckthough then you have to put up with slow updates again15:19
pathats true15:19
Khertanarcean: the problem is when it s drop connection, he never recover it15:19
X-Fadeqronic: just tap star twice15:19
paitsnotabigtruck, by the way, does flashing with 001 debrand my phone?15:19
pameaning reset , for instance,  the lock screen image?15:20
Khertanand didn't think it s due to low 3G coverage ... i'm in the center of paris15:20
itsnotabigtruckpa: yeah...but operators can put locks on debranding phones, i think15:20
arceanhmm, strange15:20
qronicX-Fade, oh, thought I should hold it )15:20
itsnotabigtruckthat is one thing to think about15:20
paitsnotabigtruck, hmm meaning i cannot flash with 001 or..?15:20
itsnotabigtruckif you're on some carrier firmware15:20
itsnotabigtruckyou can't flash back to it15:20
itsnotabigtruckuntil the carrier decides to release a new one15:20
pai know my phone is branded but not sim locked15:20
paat least thats what the shop said15:21
itsnotabigtruckalright, finally on a clean PR1.2 in normal disclaimer-free mode15:23
Khertandoes not beta version is available for n950 ?15:24
arceanKhertan: [12:47] <arcean> firstly you have to remove harmattan metapackege then you can run apt-get upgrade or like mece did:
Khertanarcean: thx15:25
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arceanKhertan: firstly, you have to add N9 repo for 001 region ofc :)15:27
Khertanhum ...15:27
Khertanarcean: firstly ... making backup :)15:28
pajonni, are you still there?15:32
pahow does this play?15:32
pain particular, after "one giant payback"15:32
pathis is 480p avc15:34
pacan some luicky 1.2 guy try it?15:37
jonnipa: if that is high profile it wont play, no need to test15:37
paits 480p15:38
pait plays here15:38
paalmost fine15:38
jonniwell 480p high profile is not supported15:38
pait has some little troubles after "one giant payback"15:38
jonni480p base is15:38
pajonni, utube is only avc, afaik15:38
pameaning it shouldnt work as well, but you say it does15:39
Khertanwhat is : deb-exec /usr/bin/osa ??15:42
gabriel9talk.maemo is dead?15:42
Khertanwhy does it s in sourcelist ?15:42
Khertangabriel9: yep15:42
Khertangabriel9: at least for the moment :)15:42
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jonnipa:  works fine.15:44
pajonni, what about the one i linked? have you had a look at that?15:44
pait's just 4mb after all15:45
jonnipa: your link was  and as I said 480p high profile is not supported, as when it starts to skips frames player will stop it15:45
paah okay15:45
pathats interesting actually15:45
pafrom what you say it works even worse than in Pr1.115:45
pahere that one plays almost fine15:46
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jonnipa: it plays ok for most of the parts, but there is intelligence in the player now, that it will say unsupported format when it notices frameskips15:46
jonniwhich means that its not supported15:46
pawell.. then i guess i'll give my phone back. It's cute and made in finland and everything, but i wont support an idiotic producer that dont even sell hardware capable to play bandwidth efficient media15:47
pafuck off nokia15:47
jonniwell if your only usecase is to play high profile videos, then clearly device is wrong for you.15:47
pai dont think asking 480p AVC is asking too much, in 2011/201215:48
Khertanin pr1.1 ... player skip frame15:49
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Khertanin pr1.2 player skip the rest of the frames :)15:49
pabut moment15:49
Khertan'Videos not supported message'15:49
palemme try kmplayer15:49
veliHello, any idea how to detect when vkb is opened?15:49
paprobably it makes it in cpu15:49
Khertanwhy ? because some complain15:49
pait's not so though anyway15:49
Khertanpa: kmplayer need mplayer, which isn't available15:49
paso how does it work?15:50
DocScrutinizer51Khertan: now that'a great improvement from 11 to 12 ;-P15:50
pai mean, is there and it works15:50
pawhat does it use?15:50
KhertanDocScrutinizer51: yeah indeed15:51
Khertanpa: oh .. maybe i didn't found the right repository for mplayer15:51
jonniveli: make custom event listener and listen for QEvent::RequestSoftwareInputPanel for example. or detect window scenew size changes.15:51
velijonni: thanks15:52
paKhertan, but it does frameskipping as well15:52
paso probably avc is just too much for the cheap hw N9 has15:52
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Khertanpa: cheap ... hw ... haha15:53
Khertanhe just need some love15:53
Khertanspecially for hw accelerated driver15:53
pasgx530 is for homeless nowadays15:53
paand if you read N9 faq, nokia argument for this choice is just soooo lame15:54
pa"The OMAP 3630 processor is in the same family as the N900's OMAP 3430 (600Mhz), this reduced the amout on hardware / SoC integration work that was required for the N9 and this reduced the overall cost of development. Nokia also feels that the processor is adequate to meet the likely usage scenarios of the N9."15:55
Khertanpa and more efficient than a 2hours of call of most of cheap android phone15:57
arceandecoding video - it's the DSP thing, isn't it?15:57
pait probably uses the gpu on the n915:57
Khertanarcean: yep :)15:57
pait doesnt look like it has a dedicated dsp15:57
Khertanpa: anyway ... which other gpu ? one with no linux driver ?15:58
Khertanmore useless15:58
arceanfor sure the n9 has dsp15:58
paKhertan, sgx 5xx haave probably all the same architecture15:59
paand if they are used for android, then they have linux drivers15:59
Khertanpa: ANDROID ISN'T LINUX !15:59
arceanpa: wrong assumption15:59
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itsnotabigtruckKhertan: sure it's not just gnu/linux16:00
faenilguys, fast way to get qtquick components on desktop16:00
itsnotabigtruckbut it still uses the linux kernel and linux drivers16:00
jonniofcourse there is dsp, most of 3rd party players just dont use it, like N9 videolan player just uses sw and not the dsp.16:00
pathen it's el cheapo dsp..16:00
Khertanitsnotabigtruck: no no ... it s not linux, it s a perverted and corrupted linux kernel with a crappy of garbage of modification ....16:00
pai read N8 was able to play avc video16:01
* Khertan have better to do ...16:01
itsnotabigtruckbut yeah, even if they insist on sticking with omap they should have used omap416:03
alteregoDoes anyone have a nice example of an application About dialog in QML?16:07
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lfranchianyone else unable to access
lfranchican't look for help for me "upgrade interrupted" error on upgrading to pr 1.2 on N916:11
lfranchi ah k :)16:13
decibytelfranchi: when running apt-get upgrade i got an error saying "Errors were encountered while processing: libssl1.0.0". if you have some packages acting like that, remove them. solved my problem.16:13
lfranchiok, will try16:13
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Corsac *arf* congrats Engadget16:27
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Myname24I need your help :) I am trying to update OTA and it starts installing but after a few minutes update interrupted . What am i doing wrong ?16:29
decibyteMyname24: when running apt-get upgrade i got an error saying "Errors were encountered while processing: libssl1.0.0". if you have some packages acting like that, remove them. solved my problem.16:32
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rdnzlor download pr1.2 image and flash via usb. solved my problem :)16:34
divanalterego: look at Bedside clock, it's about is neat and simple :)16:34
Myname24Thanks will try it now16:35
itsnotabigtruckyeah, a LOT of people have had trouble with the system software upgrade16:43
itsnotabigtruckjust do a USB flash at the first sign of trouble16:43
itsnotabigtruckseems like all i've been doing here lately is helping people flash their phones :/16:43
alteregoIt's alright for you guys,16:44
faenilitsnotabigtruck: lol16:46
Myname24Well if i have the internet speed and bandwidth i will surely flash it but sadly neither exist16:46
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alteregoI updated my N9 yesterday, and it started showing the voided warranty splash when I turn it on.16:50
lfranchiyeah, looks like i'll do a USB flash16:51
lfranchianyoen got a pr1.2 download link?16:52
SpeedEvil WTFBBQ.16:54
itsnotabigtruckalterego: flash it16:55
itsnotabigtruckthe solution is always to flash it16:55
itsnotabigtruckwith PR1.2 you can't get out of open mode without doing a full flash16:55
alteregoIt was never in open mode16:56
itsnotabigtruckit is now16:56
itsnotabigtruckdisclaimer screen = open mode16:56
itsnotabigtruckif you do accli -I it'll say mode: open16:56
alteregoI'd be more interested in to how this happened.16:56
alteregoErm, to know how it happened.16:56
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pabut so does this void the warranty or not?17:01
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itsnotabigtruckpa: don't quote me on this but i don't think so17:03
itsnotabigtrucksince it's a carrier-branded unit things might be a little bit different17:03
itsnotabigtruckit's hard to tell really until someone sends one in and finds out :p17:03
itsnotabigtruck^ just made a thread on TMO about this trusted bit business17:03
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alteregoThat phone looks like an N90017:08
alteregoKinda cross between a C7 and an N90017:08
itsnotabigtruckalterego: the 808?17:09
itsnotabigtruckthat phone should have been running harmattan :(17:10
alteregoIt can record full 1080p, take these massive 38MP pictures, but it only has 16G of internal memory :)17:10
alterego"I have a phone, it can take 38MP pictures, but I can only have 3 of them on my phone at a time" :)17:10
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itsnotabigtruckthey really need to launch a phone called the C417:10
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alterego"The C4 Explodes on to Shelves this Summer"17:11
SpeedEvil48MP images are probably going to be around 30 meg or so. So you get quite a few in 16G17:11
itsnotabigtruckthe phone with the power of an explosion in your hand!17:11
dm8tbralterego: what's that in your backpack? oh, that's just my C4!17:11
alteregoSpeedEvil: I was being silly,17:11
denism1 SpeedEvil: I am quite sure I can have 48MP image in 100k jpeg :)17:11
alteregoA picture of my ex-girlfriends black soul would probably compress very well.17:12
SpeedEvilI'm not sure that's actually possible - I think there is a limit due to the maximum compression of a block.17:12
itsnotabigtruckyou could have a 100k 48MP png though17:12
bambee_who did find the "video call" feature in harmattan pr 1.2 ? still searching...17:12
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SpeedEvil...and pixel oversampling technology...17:16
lfranchiis there a public download link for the 1.2 image to flash? or should i wait and it'll get released eventually?17:16
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SpeedEvil= lens can do 8MP, but we've put a 38MP sensor behind.17:16
itsnotabigtrucklfranchi: yeah, it's out17:16
lfranchiitsnotabigtruck: ah, where did you find it?17:17
itsnotabigtruckor just use NAVIFIRM if you're on windows17:18
lfranchilinux ideally, could reboot into win if i need to though17:18
itsnotabigtruckthat website i linked doesn't have the eMMC content images17:19
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itsnotabigtruckthough flashing those will obliterate your docs/pics/music17:19
itsnotabigtruckand maps17:19
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lfranchithat's ok, i can redownload those17:20
lfranchiwhat are eMMC content images?17:20
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itsnotabigtruckok, then pull up navifirm+ and find the N9 30.something release17:20
itsnotabigtruckpick the NDT 16GB ROW entry17:20
itsnotabigtruckdownload the two large .bin files17:21
Aranelitsnotabigtruck: are you running PR1.2?17:21
Aranelitsnotabigtruck: could you do me a favor and test MeeSaver if it works on it? :)17:21
itsnotabigtruckand eMMC content = images that restore the original content of the user data partition17:21
lfranchiah is ee17:21
itsnotabigtruckAranel: got a link?17:22
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lfranchiitsnotabigtruck: e.g. ?17:22
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itsnotabigtrucki posted in your thread wondering why you said to wait for ovi store when you can just upload the deb17:22
itsnotabigtrucklfranchi: yep17:22
itsnotabigtruckit would be nice if that website scanned the nokia server that has the emmc content images17:23
itsnotabigtruckthat image is the main firmware image17:23
lfranchihmm i wonder why there are the colors? different colors have different images? heh17:23
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itsnotabigtrucknope, same images17:23
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itsnotabigtruckdifferent product code though17:23
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itsnotabigtrucklfranchi: there's 1 image for each regional variant17:24
itsnotabigtruckregional variants are like 001, 003, 005, 00717:24
lfranchimakes sense17:25
torarneanyone know how to install 1.2 when the " "flashig interrupted" ? i've tried disabling dev mode and removing all extra apt sources17:25
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itsnotabigtrucktorarne: flash it17:25
lfranchigotta love nokia for making me flash my firmware to upgrade17:25
itsnotabigtruck@everyone with any problem: flash it17:25
torarneitsnotabigtruck: and lose sms/contacts etc?17:25
itsnotabigtrucktorarne: yeah, but you can back those up17:26
torarneitsnotabigtruck: ah, and it will be stored on the user-data-partition?17:26
itsnotabigtrucktorarne: the user data partition is left alone if you don't flash the emmc17:26
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itsnotabigtruckAranel: installing...17:27
torarneaight, thanks!17:27
Aranelitsnotabigtruck: okay ^^17:27
itsnotabigtruckAranel: remember that the first line of the description is supposed to be terse17:27
itsnotabigtruckthink "scheduled wallpaper changer" kind of thing17:27
itsnotabigtruckalso, can't you update your own N9/N950/whatnot to 1.2?17:28
itsnotabigtruckif you're having the variant code problem, you can flash now17:28
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Aranelitsnotabigtruck: it'd involve a flash and I'd have to backup&restore lots of data, I'm too lazy for it :p17:28
itsnotabigtruckso? :p17:29
itsnotabigtruckalso you need to make your app manager icon exactly 64x6417:29
itsnotabigtruckanything else = resizing = not so pretty17:29
itsnotabigtruckalso, crap, it doesn't work17:30
Aranel:| doesn't launch?17:30
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itsnotabigtruckIOError: File not found. defaulting to .wallpapers and 60 seconds17:31
itsnotabigtruckError: Something went wrong.17:31
Aranel:< nope It's the way it should work on first run. Means you're using default values.17:31
itsnotabigtruckincluding the latter part?17:31
itsnotabigtruckand no gui appearing?17:31
Aranel:| n, just IOError part :p17:32
itsnotabigtruckalso, any reason for the padlock icon?17:33
Aranellockscreen. :p17:33
Aranelitsnotabigtruck: can you run /opt/MeeSaver/qml/meesaver/ and see if GUI appears?17:35
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itsnotabigtruckAranel: back online18:03
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Aranelitsnotabigtruck: ^^18:04
Aranelitsnotabigtruck: can you run /opt/MeeSaver/qml/meesaver/ and see if GUI appears?18:04
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itsnotabigtruckAranel: got it, have to reinstall meesaver first18:05
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itsnotabigtruckAranel: no module named pyside.qtcore18:09
itsnotabigtruckit's your dependencies18:09
itsnotabigtruckalso, you really shouldn't need all these shell scripts that just launch python scripts...18:09
itsnotabigtruckyou do realize you can put shebang lines in python scripts too, right?18:09
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Khertanitsnotabigtruck: but require +x right ... calling them with python didn't require it :)18:10
itsnotabigtruckKhertan: but the python scripts can be made +x too :p18:10
Aranelitsnotabigtruck: yup learnt it from you =) But it now works this way and Aegis doesn't complain ^^18:10
Khertanitsnotabigtruck: depends on location ... and aegis ... and location of the script18:10
itsnotabigtruckKhertan: hrm? aegis doesn't keep you from setting +x permissions on a script18:11
itsnotabigtruckaegis imposes some silly stuff but that isn't part of it18:12
itsnotabigtrucksome people have had trouble managing to build a .deb with the correctpermissions though18:12
Khertanyep ... and using python prevent some aegis problem as python is already know by aegis18:12
itsnotabigtruckKhertan: but you can make your script known by aegis too by installing it18:12
itsnotabigtruckbut yeah, python, perl, sh, etc. are all aegis-transparent (they always inherit all the privileges of the caller)18:13
Khertanthis is the purpose18:13
itsnotabigtruckright, it's just that i was commenting on aranel's use of launcher shell scripts18:14
itsnotabigtruckwhich work but are an extra layer that can be taken out18:14
itsnotabigtruckanyhow...aranel: i think everything will work fine *if* you make sure *every* depoendency i slisted18:14
Aranelitsnotabigtruck: d'oh, dependency :| for some reason it works on my device without python-pyside package18:14
itsnotabigtruckstrange...are you sure you have none of the pyside packages installed?18:15
itsnotabigtrucki doubt that because you're using it :p18:15
itsnotabigtrucki think python-pyside is a "metapackage" that just pulls in other pyside packages18:15
itsnotabigtruckso if you removed python-pyside but not everything else pyside-related, you still have pyside18:15
itsnotabigtruckyou should probably depend only on the specific pyside packages you need18:16
itsnotabigtruckto keep bloat/dl time down18:16
itsnotabigtruckwhile you're at it see if you can do up a 64x64 version of your icon for the app manager :)18:16
Aranelitsnotabigtruck: It looks pretty good on mine? Don't you mean Settings > Manage applications?18:18
itsnotabigtruckAranel: you can see the downsizing18:18
itsnotabigtruckbecause you're probably using the 80x80 icon18:18
itsnotabigtruckit's a common problem18:18
Aranelitsnotabigtruck: and I checked it, I don't have any of these python-pyside.* packages nor python-pyside itself. weird.18:18
itsnotabigtruckvery weird...18:19
Aranelitsnotabigtruck: upgraded it from beta2 to pr1.1, maybe that package was a part of beta2 itself.18:19
itsnotabigtruckaranel: do grep foo /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list18:20
itsnotabigtruckwhere foo is the name of something in pyside18:20
itsnotabigtruckwell, pyside should do the trick :p18:20
Aranelit looks installed there. :| but prints "following extra packages will be installed" if I try the apt-get way.18:21
itsnotabigtruckso it's in some zombie state18:22
itsnotabigtruckinstall pyside everything, then uninstall it18:22
itsnotabigtruckthen confirm that meesaver doesn't work anymore18:22
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Aranelitsnotabigtruck: uploaded a new build @
Aranelitsnotabigtruck: can you try it? :)18:23
itsnotabigtruckjust a moment18:23
Aranelitsnotabigtruck: Python-pyside is listed now and also makes use of invoker, to make sure only one instance of it running. :)18:24
itsnotabigtruckok, it's doing its thing now18:25
itsnotabigtruckbut like i mentioned before, perhaps try and depend on only the parts of pyside you need?18:25
itsnotabigtruckit's downloading 6 megs now18:25
itsnotabigtruckon top of the 4 megs it downloaded before18:25
Aranelitsnotabigtruck: I'm already doing it, only python-pyside.qtcore,qtgui and qtdeclarative is listed18:25
itsnotabigtruckso that means 10 megs of extra payload for users with relatively clean phones18:25
itsnotabigtruckoh, guess those are just huge packages18:25
Aranelitsnotabigtruck: all 3 of them are imported on python script, hard to avoid :)18:26
itsnotabigtruckw00t, that did the trick18:26
itsnotabigtruckfor the next release consider harmattanizing the ui a little more18:27
Aranelyay ^. ^ time to send it to Ovi QA18:27
itsnotabigtrucke.g. i think the field captions are normally smaller and grey18:27
Araneloh, didn't notice that18:27
itsnotabigtruckalso usually wide buttons are a bit narrower and centered18:27
itsnotabigtruckit's not a big deal, it looks good, i'm just extremely nitpicky about this ui stuff :p18:28
itsnotabigtruckbecause a lot of apps are way far off from looking system18:28
itsnotabigtruckthis is very close18:28
Aranel:P my first attempts were nothing like Harmattan UI in anyway18:28
lfranchiitsnotabigtruck: hm, you recommended to download both 'big' bin files, but i see only one huge one (gbs) and the rest are kbs18:28
itsnotabigtruckit would be nice if there were a real n9 ui design guide...the one that's up seems to mostly exist to show off screenshots of harmattan18:28
Aranelso you should consider this %100 harmattan :p18:28
itsnotabigtrucklfranchi: you got the main firmware image18:29
itsnotabigtrucklike i mentioned before, that page i linked doesn't have emmc images18:29
itsnotabigtruckyou probably don't need the emmc image so that's ok18:29
lfranchiahk, nm then18:29
lfranchii'll just backup + flash that then18:29
Araneleverything (header, buttons etc.) were custom-made ^^18:29
* lfranchi goes about backing up...18:29
itsnotabigtrucknow get flasher 3.12.1, and do flasher -i, then flasher -f -F foo.bin18:29
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itsnotabigtruckflasher -i will wait for the phone to be ready and put it into flashing mode18:30
itsnotabigtruckso a) disconnect the phone from usb (important!)18:30
itsnotabigtruckb) power it off18:30
itsnotabigtruckc) run flasher -i18:30
itsnotabigtruckd) attach the phone to usb18:30
itsnotabigtruckthe phone will then power up and flasher will connect18:31
lfranchiok, thanks18:31
itsnotabigtrucknote that if you power it off while it's still on usb, it doesn't actually power off and it won't work18:31
lfranchithis will clear all my settings+contacts+etc, right?18:31
itsnotabigtruckit'll nuke your apps, i think your contacts will still be in place18:31
itsnotabigtruckmaybe back up everything to be sure18:31
itsnotabigtruckif you want a fresh start get the emmc image and flash it, that WILL wipe everything18:32
lfranchihmm no need for that :)18:32
itsnotabigtruckno replies on yet :( a decent number of views though18:32
DocScrutinizer51dm8tbr: ping18:33
itsnotabigtruckalso it looks like somebody liked my milkytracker port, and has some good suggestions for improving it18:33
* RST38h moos18:34
RST38hEHLO Doc, what is cooking tonight?18:34
DocScrutinizer51b2r2 aka gfx for Nova chips18:35
leiniritsnotabigtruck: Daaaamn... that's crazy on such a small screen ;)18:35
RST38hbut I guess it is not relevant to any of our devices?18:36
DocScrutinizer51reviewd my 'old' mails and picked up a thread of january18:36
leinir(i actually have a design for a tracker style app for small touch devices... still need to get to that ;) )18:36
itsnotabigtruckleinir: nice18:36
RST38hleinir: I think there is a few of these for android18:36
DocScrutinizer51RST38h: well, it's relevant for linux18:36
DocScrutinizer51and somewhat related to my daywork18:37
itsnotabigtruckand yeah, it works ok for playing MOD files and watching the pretty representation scroll by, but for actually tracking it's no good18:37
leiniritsnotabigtruck, RST38h: If you wanna see... :)18:37
DocScrutinizer51searchterm igloo18:37
itsnotabigtruckbut it has keyboard controls and rzr says it works ok on his n95018:37
RST38hleinir: =)~18:38
RST38hleinir: may just as well add standard chords-based notation to the mix18:38
RST38hleinir: and generate/parse MIDI as one of the options18:38
DocScrutinizer51I wish I was at Barcelona18:38
DocScrutinizer51though my colleagues haven't mentioned the weather there yet18:39
RST38hDoc: Thankfully you are not, and Elop will escape unharmed this time18:39
RST38hWhere is javispedro BTW? Have not seen him in a while18:40
DocScrutinizer51over a month overdue18:40
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itsnotabigtrucki think he's been around, just not on IRC18:41
itsnotabigtrucknot sure why18:41
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itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer51: going to put your phone on pr1.2 open mode?18:42
itsnotabigtruckor are you waiting for the kernel source18:42
DocScrutinizer51afaik there's no opwenmode for 1.2 yet18:43
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer51: sure there is, i found out the hard way last night18:43
DocScrutinizer51well, you can nuke the kernel's siganture - sure18:44
itsnotabigtrucka) flash a clean PR1.2 installation, b) immediately boot an unsigned kernel (it doesn't matter which - rescue kernel works)18:44
itsnotabigtruckthis will set the tainted bit, causing the phone to be in open mode until a full reflash (this is new in the pr1.2 NOLO)18:44
itsnotabigtruckc) dpkg -i opensh.deb18:45
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torarneitsnotabigtruck: so you won't have the patched kernel which bypasses the aegis-stuff for regular root user, but can use opensh for those things?18:51
itsnotabigtrucktorarne: right18:52
itsnotabigtruckcertain aegis stuff checks if you're in open mode, so you don't actually need to change the kernel18:52
itsnotabigtruckbecause open mode behavior is enabled by virtue of the disclaimer being triggered18:52
torarneitsnotabigtruck: interesting!18:52
torarneitsnotabigtruck: where do i get the rescue kernel?18:53
itsnotabigtrucktorarne: it's this one18:53
itsnotabigtruckfirst two links18:53
itsnotabigtruckworks on N9 too18:53
torarnewill give it a shot18:54
itsnotabigtruckmake sure you do this right after a comprehensive flash18:54
itsnotabigtruckthat means both main and emmc images18:54
itsnotabigtruckyou don't need to do --erase-user-data, that's a waste of time18:54
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itsnotabigtruckoh no19:01
itsnotabigtruckAranel: now meesaver isn't starting anymore19:01
itsnotabigtruckoh, no, it is - but19:02
itsnotabigtruckinvoker isn't focusing the existing instance of meesaver19:02
itsnotabigtruckso if meesaver is already open, launching it again has the appearance of it being broken19:03
Aranelitsnotabigtruck: confirmed on mine too :| I have no idea why invoker behaves that way.19:04
Aranelitsnotabigtruck: most likely It hates shell scripts, or python GUI's too.19:04
itsnotabigtrucki bet it has to do with your shell script then19:05
itsnotabigtruckget rid of the shell script, make the python +x, fix up the aegis manifest/desktop icon/etc., and see if it works then19:06
itsnotabigtruckthis is based on a guess that it's looking up windows by the name of the executable19:06
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Aranelitsnotabigtruck: yup I'll try and see if it works, include it on a minor patch maybe =)19:12
jonnior it should use single-instance instead of invoker...19:12
jonnias single instance does the checking for you19:12
itsnotabigtrucki thought single-instance is deprecated (or gone?)19:13
jonniits still there, but you can also do "invoker -s" that is also single-instance19:15
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itsnotabigtrucktorarne: did you manage to openmodify your phone?19:18
torarneitsnotabigtruck: didn't have a chance yet, doing some other stuff :/19:19
itsnotabigtruckah ok19:19
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torarnehow did you get the image?19:19
itsnotabigtrucktorarne: navifirm19:19
itsnotabigtruckuse navifirm+ 1.719:20
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torarneitsnotabigtruck: DFL61_HARMATTAN_30.2012.07-1_PR_LEGACY_001-OEM1-958_ARM.bin + DFL61_HARMATTAN_30.2012.07-1.RM680_EMMC_RM680.bin19:33
torarneand the moment that's done, flasher -f -a DFL61_HARMATTAN_30.2012.07-1_PR_LEGACY_001-OEM1-958_ARM.bin -k vmlinuz-  ?19:36
mgedmingrr, "n9 developer blog" is not on the front page of google for that phrase19:36
jonnitorarne: you dont neet to -f, -b is enough to flip the bit19:36
torarnejonni: ah, thanks!19:37
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mgedminor maybe it is, I just can't figure out from the truncated urls19:37
* mgedmin is looking for that "harmattan version numbers explained" post -> google first page is full of posts _mentioning_ this post, but doesn't have the post itself?!19:39
itsnotabigtrucktorarne: wait, hold on19:40
jonniwhat do you need to know about version numbers, I can explain :)19:40
itsnotabigtrucktorarne: are you on an N950?19:40
itsnotabigtruckor an N9?19:40
itsnotabigtruckbecause that's an N950 emmc and an N9 main image19:40
jonniyou cannot flash n9 image to n95019:41
torarne009 is n950?19:41
itsnotabigtrucktorarne: nah, DADD or RM680 is n95019:41
itsnotabigtruckany of the 00x images are N919:42
torarnei see19:42
itsnotabigtruckgrab the one-click flasher and unzip it19:42
itsnotabigtruckit has the main image for the N950 inside19:42
itsnotabigtruckalso, where'd that emmc image even come from...weird19:42
itsnotabigtruckmgedmin: it's on the nokia developer blog're not missing that much19:44
itsnotabigtruckit goes: DFL61_HARMATTAN_ver.year.week-day_PR_variant19:45
itsnotabigtruckwhere ver is single-digit for N950, two-digit for N9 (e.g. pr1.2beta = 3, pr1.2 n9 = 30)19:45
mgedminI was looking for variant codes actually19:46
mgedmin001 = Europe19:46
itsnotabigtruck003 = china19:46
itsnotabigtruck005 = asia pacific, i think19:46
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itsnotabigtruck006 = middle east19:47
itsnotabigtruck009 = more europe (not sure how it's divided - it's not east/west)19:47
itsnotabigtruck3xx/4xx = country variants (usually operator branded)19:47
itsnotabigtruck2xx also19:47
itsnotabigtruck001 includes some places outside europe too like latin america19:48
itsnotabigtruckmgedmin: i think that covers it19:48
itsnotabigtruckok, so torarne: unzip your one-click flasher19:49
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torarneitsnotabigtruck:  i got the image, flashing now19:49
itsnotabigtruckuse the main image that came with that + that emmc image19:49
itsnotabigtruckok cool19:49
seiflotfyhey guys19:49
itsnotabigtruckand then you don't flash the rescue kernel/initrd, you use flasher -l -b -kkernel -ninitfs19:49
seiflotfyi keep asking my n9 to look for updates and it tells me device is up-to-date19:49
seiflotfyi think i uninstalled a metapackage or such19:50
seiflotfyany help19:50
itsnotabigtruckseiflotfy: you're probably in a region other than 00119:50
itsnotabigtruckdownload the 001 image and flash it19:50
seiflotfywhere can i get the 001 region?19:50
itsnotabigtrucklook up one of the zillion articles about flashing, you download with navifirm and flash using the nokia flasher 3.12.1 utility19:50
seiflotfyi know how to flash19:50
seiflotfyjsut i am on linux so nanifirm wont work19:51
itsnotabigtruck download it from here then19:51
torarneitsnotabigtruck: did this sudo ./flasher -l -b -k vmlinuz- -n initrd.img-rescue-
torarneitsnotabigtruck: said "nothing to flash"19:52
itsnotabigtrucktorarne: hmm...move -l and -b to the end19:52
itsnotabigtruckand take the spaces out19:53
torarnereflash the image?19:53
itsnotabigtruckchange -k to --kernel=x19:53
itsnotabigtruckand -n to --initfs=x19:53
itsnotabigtruckflasher's command line parsing is very funky19:53
itsnotabigtrucksome sort arguments must have a space, others must not have a space19:53
itsnotabigtruckdon't reflash anything19:53
itsnotabigtruckassuming you flashed the right things in the first place19:53
torarneit says "Suitable USB interface (bootloader/phonet) not found, waiting", so i guess i have to reboot to get it going?19:54
itsnotabigtruckhrm...ok, start over19:54
torarnewill do :)19:54
itsnotabigtruckyou're not done until you have a successful flash of the PROPER image, and then you get your phone onto the disclaimer screen19:54
itsnotabigtruckif you see the disclaimer screen you're done19:55
itsnotabigtruckit shows up immediately after the boot19:55
itsnotabigtruck(the boot being the flasher -l -b stuff19:55
itsnotabigtruck) gotta close those parens :p19:55
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torarnehmm, same thing19:58
itsnotabigtruckthis is weird...must be a syntax problem19:58
pais there a way to plug the phone to PC via usb mass storage, and disable the chargin?19:58
itsnotabigtrucksure you got the filenames correct?19:58
itsnotabigtruckadd the -v argument19:58
itsnotabigtruckdon't reboot the phone, keep trying the boot command until it does it19:58
torarnesudo ./flasher -l -b --kernel=vmlinuz- --initfs=initrd.img-rescue-
itsnotabigtrucklike i mentione dbefore try putting the -l -b at the very end19:59
itsnotabigtruckso flasher --kernel=x --initfs=y -l -b -v19:59
itsnotabigtrucktry that19:59
itsnotabigtruckpa: i don't think so20:00
itsnotabigtruckit's possible to turn off charging entirely but it's not hard to figure out why that's a bad idea20:00
pacould be nice to have for this a.... Toggle! :)20:01
itsnotabigtrucktorarne: any luck?20:02
torarnetrying a reflash again20:02
itsnotabigtruckif you're still having problems dump all the flasher output onto gist.github.com20:02
torarnethe device got r&d certs, but that should not matter20:02
paitsnotabigtruck, anyway, can i disable it from the options or do i have to go terminal?20:02
itsnotabigtrucktorarne: wait, why are you bothering with this if you have an r&d cert20:03
itsnotabigtruckthis is dumb :p20:03
torarnecause i want to keep my setup similar to the community so any instructions i do on how to hack on the n9 applies to people outside nokia as well20:03
itsnotabigtruckr&d cert prevents it from ever going into open mode, and it lets you do everything open mode lets you do...20:03
torarneyepp, it's primarily for keeping close to the rest of the world20:06
itsnotabigtruckwhich you can't do if you have an r&d cert installed, because that's an override for almost every security (mis)feature of the N920:07
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torarneitsnotabigtruck: ah, i was under the impression that would only apply when using R&D images20:08
torarneitsnotabigtruck: thanks, good to know20:08
itsnotabigtrucktorarne: nope, every release has more things gated on having r&d certs loaded20:08
itsnotabigtruckwell, you might know more of course being on the inside and actually having one... i only know what i know from analysis20:08
torarnenot even close :) i appreciate you help20:09
itsnotabigtruckit allows you to completely disable aegis, log in through ssh, downgrade the firmware, never trigger open mode, etc.20:09
itsnotabigtruck*log in as root20:09
itsnotabigtruckit's like an all-purpose shutoff for anything aegis/security related20:10
itsnotabigtruckeven on productionb uilds20:10
paitsnotabigtruck, or do you mean that you have to turn it off at compile time or something?20:12
itsnotabigtruckwith an r&d cert loaded, disabling aegis enforcing mode is a matter of echoing something to a file and rebooting20:12
itsnotabigtruckbecause validator-init is full of rdc hooks too20:12
itsnotabigtruckpa: well, you can turn charging off from flasher, that's what i was referring to20:13
itsnotabigtruckbut that's not what you'd do in a toggle app20:13
paah, no, thats not a good idea indeed20:13
torarneitsnotabigtruck: i know :) like i said, i want to keep my setup similar to people who don't have that luxury. the more people who have itches to scratch the better we can make the dev setup for non-nokians20:13
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itsnotabigtruckpa: you can probably send some command to the battery management entity20:14
itsnotabigtruckor maybe you can change the usb mode through that api20:15
itsnotabigtruckbut since the N9 requires charge in order to charge (nice design there), this could be a dangerous idea20:22
itsnotabigtrucksomeone turns it on, leaves the phone sitting around, 100% discharge20:22
itsnotabigtruckthough charging from usb too much could shorten the life of the battery by a lot, requiring N9 surgery to replace it, and that's dangerous too20:23
itsnotabigtruckthough the batteries are cheap - apparently they go for about $2020:23
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itsnotabigtrucki suppose it would turn itself off before it gets catastrophically discharged though20:27
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pathats why i wanted to disable usb data chargin20:34
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gabriel9i see there is export of contacts20:40
gabriel9but how to import them?20:40
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gabriel9is there something new?20:41
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itsnotabigtruckgabriel9: i think somebody made a script for it20:45
itsnotabigtruckcan't tell you where20:45
gabriel9hm, i need to reflash i mess thing up20:46
gabriel9i just need to backup contacts20:46
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befordot:  any japanese speaker?20:49
beforduhm or chinese, I'm not sure20:50
gabriel9google translate20:51
befordcan't figure out how to type those characters20:51
gabriel9why do you need that?20:52
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DocScrutinizerso... anybody here knows hjbjh?20:54
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ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: it's working =)20:55
ZogG_laptopthough one reboot showed red text "flashing rescue software... wait" but than it's ok20:55
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gabriel9flashing rescue software20:57
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gabriel9where didi you saw that'20:57
ZogG_laptopon boot when nokia logo in middle, the text was on side20:59
ZogG_laptopred one20:59
ZogG_laptopi updated with adding repo of 001 and apt-get install mp-harmattan-001-pr (meta package of firmware). BUT DO NOT RECOMMEND TO DO IT, till you know what ya doing and can resolv conflicts =)21:01
gabriel9ok, i will not use it :)21:01
gabriel9did anyone of ypu installed openJDK on N9?21:02
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ZogG_laptophow do you insert you name in recognition?21:05
gabriel9what name?21:09
gabriel9also check this dude21:09
gabriel9he done some nice stuff with his N921:10
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itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: no need to do that now that the flasher image was released last night21:15
itsnotabigtruckyou did it hard-mode :p21:15
ZogG_laptopthere was no image than21:19
itsnotabigtruckyeah, i'm well aware of that21:20
itsnotabigtruckstruggled with that all yesterday because i wasn't aware they'd release it just a few hours later21:20
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griHmm, does youtube or google work for anyone here? Can't open them on any device in this house anymore since 10 minutes :(21:23
ZogG_laptopis it released? or navitfirm app or what's it's name?21:24
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jpwhitinghmm, update keeps failing here, it downloaded the update and starts "Updating" but never gets past 0%21:35
djszapijpwhiting: have you removed the external repositories, if any ?21:36
jpwhitingno, is there a howto for updating somewhere?21:36
* jpwhiting didn't realize he needed to do anything special21:36
djszapijpwhiting: I am not blaming you :)21:37
djszapibut please try.21:37
jpwhitingjust remove them from my sources.list?21:37
djszapicomment should be enough21:37
jpwhitingok, I commented out kde.list21:38
jpwhitingstill have filemanager.list, meecatalog.list and osa.list21:38
jpwhitingand aegis.ssu-keyring-001.list21:39
jpwhitingdo I need to comment out any of those others?21:39
djszapiI would do that with everything non-stock.21:39
jpwhitingthat's what I'm asking, is any of this stock?21:39
jpwhitingI don't recall adding any of these except kde.list21:39
jpwhitingmeecatalog.list probably got added when I installed meecatalog from ovi store, eh?21:40
djszapieverything is non-stock apart from osa and aegis21:40
jpwhitingand it's empty anyway... hm21:40
jpwhitingok, perfect, /me tries21:41
jpwhitingdjszapi: do I need to do anything after commenting them out? it's still stuck at 0% (but not failing like it used to)21:48
djszapijpwhiting: it is the updating phase ?21:48
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djszapior the downloading ?21:49
jpwhitingI believe it got the whole download yesterday21:49
djszapithen no worries21:49
jpwhitingk, thanks :)21:49
djszapiit is really slow with doing the initial progressbar update21:49
djszapiat least for my updates, it was.21:49
jpwhitingdoh, now it says Update interrupted21:49
jpwhitinglike it used to21:49
djszapiand fwiw, the update is general heftily slow.21:50
* jpwhiting hits try again21:50
jpwhitingah, ok21:50
djszapihave you checked the apt cache ?21:51
djszapiwhether it downloaded everything properly ?21:51
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jpwhitingdjszapi: no, how do I do that?21:53
djszapils /var/cache/apt/..21:55
jpwhiting /var/cache/apt/archives has quite a bit21:56
jpwhitingand /var/cache/apt has pkgcache.bin and srcpkgcache.bin21:56
djszapiunfortunately, I have no precise idea21:57
jpwhitingk, no problem21:57
djszapiI do not know what is happening inthe background of an update process.21:57
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itsnotabigtruckjpwhiting: flash it22:19
itsnotabigtruckthe .bin image is out22:19
itsnotabigtruckthe solution to everyone's ssu problems is "don't use ssu"22:20
jpwhitingmeh its at 43% now22:20
jpwhitingitsnotabigtruck: the bin is out where?22:20
djszapijpwhiting: you might not wanna lose the warranty22:22
djszapiespecially if it is already 43^22:22
jpwhitingdjszapi: yep just waiting22:22
* djszapi prefers figuring out the root cause of the issue instead of recommending the warranty void action to everybody22:23
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jonniafaik, nobody has lost warranty (as long as havent tried to switch your variant), and you can use NSU to flash the .bin if you think that 3rd party sw somehow corrupts the warranty of the same files that NSU uses.22:41
djszapiit is not me thinking that22:42
djszapiit is a Nokia rule, read the flasher output.22:42
jonniit says "may", it doesnt say that it does22:42
djszapiand NSU is not available for Linux anyway, so certainly a pain more many people here.22:42
jonniand the may imho means that if you screw and try to flash wrong variant22:42
djszapithat is your interpretation22:43
djszapithe "may" means, anything goes wrong, you lost it22:43
Jeffrey04djszapi: if one has windows image, he can perform the update via virtualbox22:44
djszapithe thing is that many people do not have windows in the first place.22:44
djszapilegal windows, that is22:44
Jeffrey04lol, ok22:44
djszapinor the sake for bothering with virtualbox and windows22:45
djszapiso I would rather put the effort into figuring out the reasons behind the update fail22:45
djszapithere even might be a general reason...22:45
jonnidjszapi: well all the people that I know that have screwed their device with flasher, have gotten their device fixed in warranty, so saying that you lost it 100% of cases is wrong.22:45
jonnifor my CE N9 update failure on monday, I already know the reason, same bug/feature that was in pr1.0->pr1.1 update22:46
djszapijonni: nobody said it is 100%22:47
djszapias I said here on this channel many times, it is "may"22:47
djszapimeaning that it is possible you lose.22:47
djszapithis is really my last recommendation, if any.22:47
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VladNistorHello. I seem to have some weird variant on my N9, with Orange Romania RO Black V1 16GB (R059N278) and I haven't gotten the OTA PR1.2 update. Do you think it would be ok to flash some other variant for Black 16GB, like Central E (059J203)? Could this render the device useless you think?22:49
jonniyou should wait for update for your variant, you should not try to change your variant. just be patient22:50
VladNistorThanks. I have that account corrupting bug, it's happened 3 times already. I don't want to have to redo the whole device a 4th time :(22:51
ZogG_laptopjonni: what's bad on changing?22:51
jonniZogG_laptop: well warranty void.22:52
infoboti heard maemo-flashing is
ZogG_laptopjonni was a good man, lalallala =)22:52
VladNistorSo i'd rather just flash pr1.2 now than wait for ages for them to make this available and redo the phone 2 more times while i wait22:53
ZogG_laptopoh my god, i can use oauth now \o/22:53
ZogG_laptopfrals: ping22:53
VladNistorcan the n9 be locked in a network? Maybe that's why it's taking them longer to get this out.22:56
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Swerige:O ???!!!???23:18
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djszapiqronic: ping23:28
jonniparty, qtonpi vouchers arrived... next thing to hope for is to wait for pi to appear on the shop.23:30
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* djszapi dislikes the QtCreator or Fedore14 limitations23:31
djszapiI personally prefer the playbook thingie better than pi23:31
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leinirWell, i like bananas better than rice pudding, but that doesn't mean they're comparable in any real sense23:39
djszapinot sure what you mean ..23:39
DocScrutinizerI think I'm suffering hypoglycemia23:39
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djszapiI can have a preference for a project with which I prefer to spend my time with, right ?23:40
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* itsnotabigtruck was confused after first seeing 'qtonpi' :p23:40
DocScrutinizeroh, so you've seen that too?23:41
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jreznikdjszapi: what's wrong with qt creator on f14 :) /me uses the same combo23:42
djszapijreznik: I do not use Fedora, and I heavily dislike QtCreator.23:42
SpeedEvilPlaybook is being dumped at comparatively low prices in the UK.23:43
djszapithis is not what they promised at FOSDEM ...23:43
jreznikdjszapi: heh, so I wrongly interpreted "dislikes the QtCreator or Fedore14 limitations" :)23:43
djszapijreznik: yes, you understood it as a QtCreator limitation on Fedora1523:43
djszapibut the thing is that they promised for us at FOSDEM we can develop for it without QtCreator, and not just for Fedora1423:44
jreznikah, yeah, I remember that23:45
* djszapi is kinda disappointed23:45
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