IRC log of #harmattan for Monday, 2012-02-27

gabriel9omg i need to stop watching politics, my hart is in pains00:01
gabriel9nm, can anyone tell me what cable do i need to get tv output?00:01
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rZrgabriel9: on n9 ? is it the same on n950 ?00:57
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GeneralAntillesJust watched w00t's PlayBook QML video.04:29
GeneralAntillesLooks slick as hell.04:30
itsnotabigtruckwho on earth is w00t...that explains why Sazpaimon was all "w00t's not here" :p04:30
GeneralAntillesRobin Burchell04:30
GeneralAntillesHe kicks ass.04:30
itsnotabigtruck this song kicks more ass :p04:32
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itsnotabigtruckso has nokia said anything interesting at mwc yet?05:00
itsnotabigtrucknm, it starts tomorrow05:00
GeneralAntilles3 AM EST05:00
itsnotabigtruckwhat kind of trade show starts on a monday...usually they start on friday and continue over the weekend05:01
itsnotabigtrucki guess this way it maximizes days off for the people involved :p05:01
itsnotabigtruckwell, CES went from tuesday to friday05:02
GeneralAntillesMost trade shows are weekdays.05:02
itsnotabigtruckyeah, i was generalizing from only a couple examples05:03
itsnotabigtruck hmm, looks suspiciously like a lumia05:07
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Jarehaha, and before that one there was already the new lg prada k2
itsnotabigtruckjare: that just looks like a regular old android phone05:18
itsnotabigtruckit's the colored body that does it05:18
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itsnotabigtruck lol @ ovi allowing this in06:58
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leiniritsnotabigtruck: not available for my country, it says - what is it?08:59
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itsnotabigtruckleinir: it's an app that enables ad-hoc wifi09:47
itsnotabigtruckrequired for joikuspot09:47
leinirRight :)09:47
itsnotabigtruckthe N9 turns ad-hoc off if it detects you're on a US cell phone network during boot09:47
itsnotabigtruckthe point though is that such an app isn't exactly 100% kosher but nokia let it in anyway09:47
itsnotabigtruckalso a toggle app isn't the most elegant way to do it...09:48
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gabriel9|worknoka mwc finished no MeeGo phone in sight :/10:35
gabriel9|workheh, and i was hoping to see one10:35
gabriel9|worktoday is gone be shity day10:35
leinirWell, with the meego project winding down at Nokia, yeah, that wouldn't be likely10:37
leinirThere was a very tiny potential for a successor to Series 40 being announced, but... yeah, also not exactly likely, as it's be mixing up their messaging down there10:38
gabriel9|workwell we now have ourselfs10:38
gabriel9|workand N910:39
matrixxand better yet, N950 ;)10:40
auenfno sign of meltemini (sp?) yet?10:41
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auenfbut a symbian belle device announced :P10:42
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grimhm, I was too late for the webcast, only saw the last two questions :)10:43
jreznikbut 41 megapixels? why :)10:46
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auenfcause its better than anything else :P10:48
griwhy not 42?10:49
gabriel9|workmatrixx: well you have n95010:49
gabriel9|worki dont :(10:49
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gabriel9|workso no happy for me10:49
gabriel9|workbut i pay 500€ N910:50
gabriel9|workthat is two paycheck10:50
leinirgri: :)10:50
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grileinir: Thank you, really nothing interesting :( My interest has been catched by "Ubuntu for Android" :)10:57
* jreznik talks to my contact about the possibility to get a few n950/n9 for our openmobility devel competition :) the only condition is to come to prague to our conference to pick up potential prize :) if anybody interested, stay tuned :)11:00
gabriel9|workyes they show us nothing11:01
gabriel9|workanyone wish to make me happy and give me n950 :D11:01
gabriel9|workno matter, i will buy spark :P11:01
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* djszapiN9 is now a Certified Qt Specialist yay :)11:09
jreznikdjszapiN9: congrats!11:11
* jreznik is not - missing qt essential exam, has both advanced ones11:12
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AWasistoIs it possible to port FCam API for N9?11:23
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gabriel9djszapiN9: congrats :)11:24
leinirdjszapiN9: about time! ;)11:25
leinir(also, congrats :) )11:25
matrixxdjszapiN9: congrats!11:25
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djszapithanks, I am happy. :)11:28
matrixxyey, 1.2 ota update available :)11:32
matrixxfor n9 that is11:32
* jreznik is checking11:33
jreznikwow, it's there!11:33
leinirhmm... not on mine yet it seems... :)11:34
djszapimatrixx: accidentally, I think, even PR1.3 was available11:35
djszapiyesterday, I was like wth :D11:35
matrixxoh :D11:35
jreznikit's 20.2012.07-111:35
matrixxleinir: did you check the updates manually?11:35
leinir*nods* i've got one of the norwegian devices they handed out at devdays munich, might take a little longer for that :)11:36
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jreznikah sorry, 30.2012.07-111:38
jreznikdjszapi: do you know if it's 1.2 or 1.3?11:38
djszapijreznik: wait a second... I am sort of pissed off by the Nokia SDK team atm ...11:38
djszapithey do not give too much shit for us :/11:39
djszapi(us = community)11:39
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jreznikdjszapi: yep, I know, I'm reading this channel :(11:39
matrixxit's 1.211:40
matrixxso if there ever has been accidentally 1.3, it's not there anymore11:40
djszapiexcept my phone :P11:41
CissWiti've got the PR 1.1 ota yesterday, wonder when i will have the 1.2 :)11:41
djszapijreznik: yes, the only missing line from the public documentation: "We do not give a shit to the community, dot."11:41
matrixxdjszapi: lucky you :P11:42
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djszapiwe have 38 votes on a bug, and they do not even fix it up.11:42
djszapiI cannot believe, it is for real.11:43
matrixxthough I don't want any half-baked updates for my N9, so 1.2 is just fine :)11:43
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gabriel9|work1.2 also on my device is aviable :)11:45
gabriel9|workday is not so shity anymore :)11:46
gabriel9|workdamn his web programming11:46
gabriel9|worki want C++11:46
CissWitdo C++ CGI.11:46
gabriel9|workswit jisus, that is to much for my kind of projects11:46
gabriel9|workZend Framework rules11:47
djszapiwhy is it so slow to update btw ?11:47
djszapiten times slower than a simple reflash11:47
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matrixxwas a bit worried for a while, after staying over 5 minutes on 0% (again)11:48
gabriel9|workwait, there is lot of people who download it11:48
gabriel9|worki will do my tonight :)11:48
infobotmethinks update is
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matrixxI got it downloaded, it's the installation phase which is slow11:49
matrixxbut now in 16% already :)11:49
djszapimatrixx: it is not just about the initial progressbar update.11:49
djszapiit is really very slow to get it actually updated in comparison with the flashing.11:50
djszapinot sure why.11:50
djszapiat least here.11:50
djszapidid not measure, but it was at least half an hour, I think.11:50
gabriel9|workshould i remove some apps which will conflict with 1.211:50
gabriel9|workhome screen seting, or live calenrad icon11:51
jreznikactually I have a problems downloading on wifi but it's usually good on 3g11:52
deramis there yet flashable image somewhere, if anything goes wrong with ota?11:55
djszapijreznik: yeah, 3g worked here.11:56
djszapi(at least for the downloading)11:56
djszapimatrixx: yes, you are right, that was my first thinking too. It is probably not that thoroughly tested as the PR1.2. so I will downgrade it, too.12:00
matrixxI hope there is some official ways to downfrade :|12:01
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mgedmindowngrade? isn't that impossible on a n9?12:02
Aardit works with r&d-certificates ;)12:02
djszapimatrixx: there is no official, but as a security expert, I may have something in the bag :P12:02
mgedminall users are equal, but some are more equal than others12:02
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denismmgedmin: users with 'R&D certificates' are not users12:03
* mgedmin recalls some older "if you know what a bugtracker is, you're not a user" discussions12:04
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djszapiit is not an R&D device, got it at the dev days, and was updated once to PR1.112:08
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djszapijreznik: yes, that week version is the PR1.2 apparently:
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decibyteomg! is it really xmas today?12:14
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SpeedEvilNo, that was two days ago.12:15
matrixxyey, update successful!12:15
decibyteSpeedEvil: haha12:15
djszapileinir: it is sort of expected you do not have it yet because they spread it first in Scandinavia.12:16
djszapishould be in the UK soon :)12:16
miroslavDarn, I am waiting for it :-)12:16
decibyteyeah! it's there!12:17
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Appiahis there offical changelog somewhere for PR1.2 ?12:26
djszapinot sure about an official one..12:28
CissWita/win f-f12:29
CissWitarf sorry12:29
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djszapiwasn't/isn't it in the notification area what are the improvements ?12:29
djszapiI would personally like to see the changelog before updating.12:29
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decibyteit recommends a backup. is it necessary or just in case?12:33
djszapidoes not hurt to make one :)12:33
Appiahit hurts not to have backup when it's needed12:33
decibytedjszapi: of course not. it's just that it seems unable to create a backup. stops at ~40%12:34
djszapiat least I hope making backup is not a broken functionality :)12:34
djszapidecibyte: be patient.12:34
djszapiit is a typical t hing, progressbar stops altogether12:34
djszapiin other cases, too.12:34
decibyteokay. where can i download the patience app?12:34
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decibytedjszapi: so, does 20+ minutes still require more patience?12:55
djszapiyes, of course.12:55
djszapiI would wait at least one hour ... since it is about backup which is a very important thing ...12:56
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decibytedjszapi: but there's almost no load in the device. seems to do absolutely nothing.13:04
djszapiwell, then complain :)13:05
jreznikheh, something is wrong - it's really sloooow13:05
decibytehaha. i am now.13:05
decibytebut i'll give it an hour then13:05
djszapiI would complain only in one hour13:06
djszapibut that is just me.13:06
djszapijreznik: the update is ultra sloooooow as I said :)13:06
decibytei'll wait another ½ hour13:06
djszapiI wonder why, even a full reflash is faster.13:06
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jreznikdjszapi: no, after update13:06
djszapiwhat do you mean ?13:06
jreznikmaybe it was still indexing something, tracker etc. - now it works nice13:09
djszapijreznik: as for me it was okay after the update. How long was the update for you ?13:10
djszapihow many MBs did it download btw ?13:10
jreznikapprox 290 or something similar13:11
jreznikno, it's still somehow laggy - swipe is about 10 fps...13:11
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miroslavIs there already a link for the full reflash download?13:25
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djszapiprolly not.13:27
miroslavToo bad.13:32
miroslavLeaving for a 4 day trip tonight, I would rather download it before :-)13:32
qronicwhat happens to N950 owners? are they gonna get full PR1.2 of they eventually will get PR1.3 beta?13:33
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rZrdjszapi: so was it easy ?13:43
djszapirZr: it was simpler for me than the essential.13:44
rZrdjszapi: i am currious to check is public ?13:44
djszapiwhat do you mean ?13:45
rZrthe exam13:46
rZri am curious to see the questions13:46
djszapino, it is not ... the person, taking the exam, is not even allowed to disclose any questions...13:46
rZrnext subject :
_MeeGoBot_Bug 978 maj, High, ---, ext-lavanya.alamuri, ASSI, Platform SDK repository lacks APT signature - incompatible with PR1.213:47
* rZr redak : #TexT #EditoR for #MeeGo #HarmattaN is alpha stage but more fingers friendly than #vi @n950club / #n913:49
TronicHow about a good terminal program?13:55
TronicI recall there was some open source effort at that (mgterminal?) but I haven't heard anything of it recently.13:56
djszapiterminal != editor13:56
djszapibut yes, there was a source code friendly editor in plan. IIRC khteditor ?13:56
* Tronic doesn't need an editor.13:56
djszapirZr: what is the advantage of this to khteditor ?13:58
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TronicIn the current firmware the Nokia terminal is awfully buggy (rotation / vkbds) and it doesn't support URL clicking.13:59
djszapirotation/vkbd works here.13:59
tabaskoso, it would be tomorrow Nokia pushes upgrade to Harmattan? :)14:02
kozziis it nornal that tools dialog now have a dark frane aroynd them?14:02
kozziin the pr1.214:02
TronicThere are multiple bugs on N950 that are difficult to explain, and these appeared with the PR1.2 beta firmware.14:02
tabaskokozzi: where did you get pr1.2 already? :P ::drool14:02
kozziFinland this morning14:03
Tronickozzi: Which device?14:03
kozzin9 64gb black14:03
decibytedjszapi: how should i feel about this?
tabaskokozzi: my n9 doesnt know about 1.2 yet :/14:03
kozzigo to appkucation manager14:04
kozziand do an update14:04
kozzithat s how I got mine14:04
matrixxthe update removes appsformeego client and repository apparently :(14:05
tabaskokozzi: wohoo, thanks :P14:05
tabaskoI should have tried that14:05
kozzinp :)14:05
tabaskokozzi: did you have any tweaks enabled, like landscape, faster animations?14:06
kozziyup, i have faster animations14:06
kozziall gone14:06
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tabaskonah, I hope it is worth it :)14:07
kozziI'm glad that statusbar clock tweak still work14:07
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tabaskoI have waited for those folders soo long14:08
kozzii have been waiting for copy paste14:10
kozziand glad that it works nicely14:10
matrixxI love the folders stuff, now all icons are visible without panning :)14:10
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kozziI hope that someone will implement DLNA to the share feature14:13
Corsacpft, my n9 is in warranty repair :(14:14
kozziimagine sending a media file to the tv without touching tv remote would be awesome14:14
* jreznik has tried DLNA with PS3 - I can list device files but that's all14:16
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marsjedoes anyone here use IMAP? I was wondering how I can have N9 save sent items in a Sent folder14:19
rZr12:57 < djszapi> rZr: what is the advantage of this to khteditor ?14:19
rZrthat one start14:19
* jreznik likes how n9 is not amoled friendly14:20
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mgedminamoled friendly? what's that?14:21
decibytecan anybody help me clear this out: -- is the right interpretation that the backup process itself fucked up and nothing probably got backed up?14:22
RST38hhe means light theme14:23
RST38hwhich of course can be switched to the dark theme14:23
jreznikmgedmin: black backgrounds in app manager and other places - should help battery...14:23
jreznikand woo, mfe sync works again for me14:24
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Corsacmarsje: it does that by default but there was bug in selecting the (remote) sent folder so sometimes it failed to detect it and used a local one14:27
Corsacmarsje: it's supposed to be better in pr1.2 but I can't test :(14:28
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djszapirZr: what do you mean ?14:30
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phakojreznik: images should work at least14:33
phakojreznik: DLNA + PS314:33
phakojreznik: videos + audio are a bit more complext14:34
rZrdjszapi: ktheditor is not supporting current firmware AFAIK14:34
djszapirZr: why not make it work instead of reinventing ? :)14:35
djszapiafair, it had cool syntax highlighting and other features.14:35
jreznikphako: nothing worked at all but I'll try to retest with current 1.214:36
phakojreznik: with what else did you try?14:36
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gridoes anyone here see a sense in porting applications back to maemo5? Should I try or let it be? :)14:36
jreznikphako: some older 1.2 on n95014:36
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phakojreznik: odd. we test against PS3 regularly.14:36
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jreznikphako: ah, I'll try it again later today - any possibility to get a debug logs etc. to help you in case it wouldn't work?14:38
phakojreznik: a tcpdump would be nice if possible14:39
phakowhich I rather doubt on release images14:40
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jreznikand to get logs from ps3... :)14:40
phakowell just checked, works for me. What firmware has your PS3?14:43
djszapigri: why not to diablo ? :)14:46
marsjeCorsac: I'm eagerly awaiting pr1.2 then...14:46
gridjszapi: Too old and I don't have a phone with that14:46
djszapiwould be way more fun :D14:46
gridjszapi: I would also try a symbian port but Qt Ambassador has not sent me a device yet14:46
jreznikphako: ok, I'll check it with n9 and latest ps3 firmware (updated yesterday)14:47
gabriel9|workupdate is slow :/14:48
gabriel9|workjust sit there on 0%14:49
djszapigabriel9|work: it jumped to 22% at some point here.14:49
djszapiso please be patient :)14:49
gabriel9|workwell it is going and i am happy14:49
* gri has no update, norway product code does not seem to have received it yet :)14:50
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leinirgri: yeah, they're number 9 in the series of devices that gets updates... PR1.1_009 ;)14:57
rZrgri: so you know a bit symbian ?14:58
rZrgri: i'll need to figure out how to sign stuff etc14:58
grirZr: No, never had a symbian phone nor I do know anyone with one :)14:58
rZr1st to make sure publishing a free opensource app , will it  cost  money ?14:59
SazpaimonI kinda want that Nokia 80814:59
rZrgri: i can test your stuff on e7 if its opensouce14:59
Sazpaimoneven if it is symbian14:59
xmlich02in my case is the update interrupting )-;14:59
Sazpaimonthat's an awesome looking device14:59
rZrno hw kb15:00
rZrwell i am gone later guys15:00
grirZr: publishing should be the same as for harmattan - 1 € for account creation, that's it?15:00
SazpaimonrZr, its an N8 successor15:01
rZrharmattan doesnt rely on ovi15:01
Sazpaimonand a damn sexy one at that15:01
Sazpaimonunless you werent talking to me whnoops15:01
alteregoErm, something has caused my personal N9 to go into warranty void mode.15:04
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alteregoWell, at least it's still running ..15:06
gabriel9|work69% :)15:11
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alteregoI think this is going to need a reflash.15:15
alteregoI'm getting the warranty void warning and a load of my apps don't have icons.15:15
gabriel9|worki hope my will be ok15:16
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alteregoI'm sure it's because I'm a freak :P15:16
Appiahwarranty void mode? what?15:17
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merlin1991silly translation width errors15:23
merlin1991the dowanloading text overlaps with the mb counter in a german locale15:23
gabriel9|workall is ok, but slow15:27
gabriel9|worknice sine wallpapers15:27
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decibyteis it possible to do the update via the terminal? e.g. apt-get?15:30
xmlich02The update is not working for me. I have seen about 20 times error message "device update interrupted" )-; (it is not working via gprs nor via wifi)15:35
fluxdecibyte, the wisdom is: don't do it15:35
fluxdecibyte, apt-get doesn't do the same things as the system upgrade tool does15:35
decibytei get the same error as xmlich02, but it's after download, during actual update (that stays at 0%)15:35
decibyteflux: i won't then :) thanks.15:35
decibyteit's been at 0% for a long time now, without ther "interrupted" message. guess that's a good sign.15:36
fluxI'm planning to reboot my device before doing the update..15:37
xmlich02I have seen also message, can't complete the download. Connection to the application provider was lost. Try again later.15:37
decibyteinterrupted again :(15:38
itsnotabigtruckwhat is "the update"15:38
jreznikxmlich02: servers are probably overloaded... it's good to be the first updater :) I see it while updating the games as slow it is now15:38
itsnotabigtruckffs, it's not on navifirm15:39
jreznikit's ota only15:39
rdnzldecibyte: same here :/15:40
itsnotabigtruckjreznik: that's not good enough since that means i'm hosed if i need to flash :(15:41
gabriel9|workdo we have video calls now?15:44
gabriel9|workany video calls? :)15:44
qronicit helped me out15:45
qronicdamn, just got a scary red warning about interruptinted update on 56%15:48
meceuh oh15:48
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qronicnot it's "rescuing software update" in red on nokia logo15:48
qronicnow "it's configuring all packages", still in red on boot screen15:51
qronicsome progress indicator would be nice, cause it feels like it's dead15:51
torarneanyone doing 1.2 + openmode yet?15:51
qronicyou'd need a 1.2 kernel source first15:51
decibyteqronic: thanks. will try that if it fails again. tried a reboot for now.15:54
befordI think I will wait for 1.215:54
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alteregoqronic: that happened to me, don't worry about it.15:57
qronicalterego, thanks for info, really hope so15:57
qronicnope, now it MALFs saying "OS update rescue failed too many times"15:58
qronicohhh, gonna remove /var/malf to see if it helps15:58
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CityLightshi all15:59
CityLightsI was just informed I need to update, I ran the update, then the N9 told me it failed, and now, I can't power it up16:00
CityLightswhat to do?16:00
qronichm, simple restart helped and it booted successfully, now what do you run, baby?16:00
CityLightsis there a restart button?16:00
fluxnokia should've simply joined #harmattan to have people beta-test the upgrade. bound to find bugs ;)16:00
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fluxoh wait, there are nokia folk on the channel already..16:01
djszapibeford: hi, needs new test on Mac ;)16:01
CityLightsI cant even charge my N916:01
CityLightsso I need to send it to nokia?16:02
itsnotabigtruckCityLights: do you ever get to the NOKIA screen16:02
fluxI think most likely the flasher will help. not sure what kind of flashers or images there are available for n9, though..16:02
CityLightsi trun to click the lower right side button16:03
itsnotabigtruckyou might have to do a cold flash16:03
itsnotabigtruckbut if it's a battery power problem that might be an issue16:03
CityLightsno battary issue before16:03
CityLightshow to cold flash?16:03
itsnotabigtruckusing the flasher utility, but it's possible your phone is too dead for that16:03
CityLightsso I should send it back?16:04
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dm8tbritsnotabigtruck: only if the battery is dead beyond charging. which doesn't seem to be the case by his description16:04
itsnotabigtruckwell, if you want to go the easy route...16:04
itsnotabigtruckbut it might be too far gone for anything you can do yourself so maybe yeah, just warranty it16:05
qronicok, the bad thing happened, I'm on PR1.2 but kernel haven't updated16:05
itsnotabigtruckqronic: just reboot it again16:05
CityLightswhen I plug in a usb - should it show any sighs of activity?16:05
itsnotabigtruckfailing that try apt-get --reinstall install kernel kernel-flasher16:05
itsnotabigtruckdm8tbr: well, it sounds like something hosed the bootloader16:07
itsnotabigtruckCityLights: go install flasher 3.12.1 for windows16:07
qronicitsnotabigtruck, thanks, though reboot didn't help, I'll try apt-get it manually16:07
CityLightsok, thanks16:08
phakois there a work-around for the QtSDK not finding MDeclarativeCache when I try to build for the device?16:08
itsnotabigtruckbtw when the kernel is mismatched like that does it show the warranty void screen?16:08
CityLightsneed to find a windows system16:08
qronicbtw /var/cache/apt/archives/ is full of update files, they haven't been purged16:08
itsnotabigtruckthere's a linux version of it too16:08
itsnotabigtruckdownload that instead16:09
qronicitsnotabigtruck, nope, it doesn't16:09
CityLightso ok16:09
itsnotabigtrucki'm surprised it even boots with a mismatched kernel, that means mismatched modules, right?16:09
itsnotabigtruckor did those not get upgraded either16:09
qroniccurrent ->
qronicso not updated, too16:10
qronicall 3 kernel* pkgs seems were not updated16:10
decibyteqronic: removing non-official repos. is that by editing the .list files or is there a better way?16:11
qronicI've removed a couple of files I placed there manually16:11
decibyteqronic: i haven't placed anything manually. but i have e.g. the appsformeego and -testing files16:12
qronicmove them into /home/user/MyDocs, after update move them back16:12
tabaskobrr, my n9 has been stuck about hour at 91% of updating to pr1.2 :/16:17
tabaskoand pr1.2 doesnt seem to be available from navifirm yet16:17
qronicapt-get --reinstall didn't help either, failed on modules install, so I guess that's why kernel haven't been installed too16:17
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itsnotabigtruckwho has actually successfully updated their phone16:25
itsnotabigtruckbecause i'm reading a lot of stuff here about upates gone horribly wong :p16:25
itsnotabigtruckhrm /me should stop failing at typing16:26
pais 1.2 out officially now?16:26
jreznikpa: yep16:27
* jreznik already updated, working, a little bit slower now16:27
pacool.. is it safe to update, or ppl are exepriencing problems?16:27
faenildoes anyone know if they're going to talk about meltemi?16:27
paso the phone goes slower?16:27
jreznikpa: for me yes, I know a few people who feels it same but on the other hands I saw a tweet it's actually faster... so it really depends16:28
jreznikafter update it probably runs tracker - so it's really slow16:28
pawhats tracker?16:28
gabriel9|workthe one and only :)16:28
gabriel9|workits like DB16:28
gabriel9|worksome sort16:28
gabriel9|workindexing files and some other nasty stuff16:28
paah ok16:29
pabut it runs it just after the update16:29
itsnotabigtruckit tracks16:29
pathen no more?16:29
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paby the way, i have my phone that is branded "telenor". is there any way to remove this branding? like custom apps, custom lock screen and so forth?16:30
pawith this branding it seems the update is still not available16:33
qronickernel soesn't update no matter what :(16:37
qronicI even got entries on /boot, which is strange16:37
qronicapt-get reinstall w/o any error, aegis is ok, but still..16:37
djszapijonni: ping16:39
tabaskopa: well mine is stuck at updating, Im pretty sure if I hard shutdown it now it wont boot anymore :)16:40
tabaskotought I had some tweaks on it, installed apps from unofficial repos etc16:40
qronicinstalling kernel-modules says this: WARNING: Can't read module backup: No such device16:46
qronicmaybe that's the reason? who knows where it tries to backup old modules?16:46
qronicprobably yes, cause in the end it's "Copying back old modules."16:48
tabaskoouch, hit poweroff and rebooted now its "Rescuing software update" let see what happens :P16:51
tabaskoand it reboots16:53
tabaskoand starts same rescue :/16:54
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paby the way17:03
padoes N9 browser support java?17:03
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Necrosporuspa, I guess, if you compile OpenJDK, it should, but I do not know for sure17:07
paso it's not there by default17:07
denism1hi, does anybody know what's a proper channel about
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Saz|Mobileis there any way to figure out why my PR1.2 update stays stuck at 0% after downloading and then fails after about 15 minutes17:14
Saz|Mobileso remove everything but the aegis repository in sources.list.d and try again, alright17:16
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TheBootroodo you know if, now that PR1.2 is officialy out for N9, we will get it on our N950, i mean OTA, no need to flash ?17:26
TheBootroobecause from this morning i tried to refresh refresh refresh in the app manager but no update in sight17:27
TheBootrooand i've too many apps installed on my N950 to flash it, don't want to reinstall everything17:27
TheBootroo(PS: i'm in france)17:28
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TheBootrooY U NO TALK ?17:43
TheBootrooClint: wut ?17:45
TheBootrooWUUUT ?17:52
TheBootrooi'm fuckin retarded :p17:52
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rantomHmm hmm hmm17:56
rantomJust a quick question: can anyone else open Ovi Store links with Firefox in PR 1.2? I didn't test it in 1.1 (and I mean retail PR, not beta)17:57
rantomTo me it just says "Ovi Store is not available for your device"/something like that. I've also set the Fx to be my default browser from the Settings17:58
amppauh, 1.2 borked my application's ui18:01
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amppamargins around text elements are somehow way too large18:02
rantomAnd I think it also broke Shortcuts-app18:02
rantomLoads, waits, and then crashes18:02
amppai think the changed ui is because of the move to use nokia pure as a default font in qml18:04
mgedminamppa, also the metrics of nokia pure changed (line height is now 2x as large or something like that)18:04
amppai was already using it, but this has changed ui layouts in other applications that used the old default18:04
amppamgedmin: ok, good to know. i can predict there will be a bunch of unhappy devs :)18:05
Sazpaimonso am I reading right that the nokia 808 has a full frame sensor?18:05
Sazpaimonthats insane18:05
torarneSazpaimon: not full frame18:05
jreznikamppa: also the spacing is different18:06
Sazpaimontorarne, where did you read that18:06
TheBootrooonly do scalable size items18:06
mgedminamppa, and the two older blog posts linked in the first sentence18:06
amppanice that it's documented18:07
TheBootrooi don't have this problem : my elements are skinned with a single .qml file named Theme where i list all the color, gradients, sizes, border etc needed by my app, if i want to change one or more, i only modify this file and the whole app stay consistent18:07
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amppaeven though now i have to spend some time implementing a version check and fixing the ui in new version18:07
TheBootrooam i the only one who finds the Pure font ugly : way to rounded and way to large,18:08
amppadidn't think i'd have to support multiple versions within one device...18:08
TheBootrooi prefer from far the ubuntu regular ttf, which i think about embedding into my apps, using FontLoader18:08
torarneSazpaimon: 35mm "full frame" is 36mm x 24mm, the 808 sensor is ~ 30x25mm18:08
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TheBootrooamppa: not speaking about multiple version, only doing scalable items, not fixed size (alway define sizes relative to content, handle wrapping, resizing, rotation etc...)18:10
torarneSazpaimon: oh, wait, it's way worse18:10
TheBootrootorarne: size doesn't matter that much,18:11
TheBootroopixel count netiher18:11
TheBootroothe whole thing + good lens + good software + good encoding  make the game18:11
amppaTheBootroo: sure, that's what i mostly have, but this is going to affect a bunch of margins18:12
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TheBootrooamppa: not a problem if all is done dynamically18:12
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amppaTheBootroo: i mean, margins between elements in my application. some elements now look much lighter than they used to, and i'll need greater margins between elements to have it look balanced18:14
amppathose i have always defined as fixed pixel sizes18:14
TheBootrooonly use a centralized file to hold the margin18:15
TheBootroothat what i do18:15
TheBootroomy Theme.qml has  padding and margin values18:15
TheBootrooand small_text_spacing18:15
TheBootrooand all is going well with that18:16
amppayeah, that would make sense18:16
TheBootrooand for the font size i use a default_fontpxsize: 2018:16
Sazpaimonis it just me or does PR1.2 make the statusbar do a clicking noise when you touch it18:16
amppafonts i do have centrally defined. just didn't expect i'd need the same for element margins18:17
TheBootrooand then i derivate from it using in the items default_fontpxsize, or default_fontpxsize * 1.25, or default_fontpxsize * 0.65 etc18:17
amppasince they do differ from element to element18:17
TheBootrooamppa: don't use too many different spacings in the same app, try to use at max 3 or 4 values18:17
TheBootroomakes your app feel more visually suitable18:17
Sazpaimonalso what's with the version numbers on some of these updates ending with "m7"18:18
amppaTheBootroo: easier said than done :)18:18
amppai do consider my app to be very pleasing visually18:18
TheBootroofrom my part i use  20px for external big item, 10 for most item internal, 5 px for spacing text18:18
torarneSazpaimon: the sensor is 1/1.2'', not 1x1.2'', so it would be somewhere around 10.7 x 7.5mm18:18
amppasometimes that just needs an extra pixel of padding somewhere18:18
TheBootrooamppa: can always be improved ;-)18:18
TheBootrooamppa: oh and i use a border_size : 1px18:19
amppafor what?18:19
TheBootroothat way if i need to add border to margin, i just have to use this value18:19
TheBootrooso for one inner Rect i used anchors.marging: theme.padding + theme.border_size;18:20
amppawell, anyway. i assume i could set the lineHeight and letterSpacing properties to get the old layout, right?18:20
TheBootroodunno if text can be tweaked that much in QML18:20
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amppathere are font.letterSpacing and lineHeight in Text element18:20
TheBootrooand the change has been done for one reason: allow others letters sets to be used more comfortably18:21
Sazpaimontorarne, thats still impressive to shove into a phone18:22
torarneSazpaimon: absolutely :)18:22
SazpaimonI wonder what kind of imaging processor they put in there18:22
Sazpaimonthey cant have the main cpu do all that work18:22
Sazpaimonthey have to have a seperate cpu for imaging18:22
Sazpaimonthe video capturing is probably dissapointing though18:23
Sazpaimonim guessing 15fps for 1080p18:23
merlin1991anybody found a way to disable the swipe close sound?18:23
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jpwhitingtbf_: ping18:26
tbf_jpwhiting, pong18:26
jpwhitingtbf_: I have some questions about telepathy and contactsd, you are the expert on that, no?18:26
tbf_jpwhiting, somewhat.18:27
jpwhitingI'm developing a connection manager for telepathy, and some attributes are not appearing in contactsd18:27
jpwhitingerr, in contacts18:27
jpwhitingI got the nickname and such to appear now, but avatars are never requested18:27
jpwhitingand contacts shows them as empty icons18:28
jpwhitingdo you know how contactsd telepathy plugin expects to get avatar data?18:28
rantomOdd. I added Dropbox-account, got nothing18:30
rantom(Accounts - Dropbox)18:30
Sazpaimonon the topic of connecton managers18:31
Sazpaimondoes anyone have some sample code on account plugins that utilize signon and telepathy>18:32
Sazpaimonnone of the N9 plugins seem to have any code for them available :/18:32
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Sazpaimonalso nokia's public transit directions are completely atrocious18:34
jpwhitingtbf_: any idea which of contactsd telepathy plugin is using to request the avatar token?18:34
jpwhitingGetKnownAvatarTokens is called at the beginning, but my tokens aren't known until the contact list is fetched from the server18:35
Sazpaimonwhich is funny because philadelphia is one of the markets they advertise for their new public transport program18:35
jpwhitingRequestAvatar and RequestAvatars never get called18:35
Sazpaimondoes the new nokia public transport for symbian use different data compard to their regular maps?18:35
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jpwhitingthough I do send out AvatarUpdated when I know the token18:36
Sazpaimonjpwhiting, are you using glib or qt18:43
tbf_jpwhiting, the plugin only asks for the local filename, that's created by libtelepathy-qt when caching the avatar18:43
jpwhitingtbf_: yep, just deleted the cache and found it is calling RequestAvatars after that18:43
jpwhitingSazpaimon: glib18:43
jpwhitingtp-qt doesn't support creating a cm yet18:43
jpwhitingbut will at some point I hear18:43
Sazpaimoni thought it did, it just wraps around glib functions18:44
Sazpaimondoesnt it?18:44
jpwhitingno, it doesn't wrap glib functions18:44
jpwhitingand it doesn't have support for implementing your own cm either18:44
jpwhitingor if it does it's not very in depth yet18:44
Sazpaimonmust be thinking of something else18:44
Sazpaimonmaybe accounts-qt18:45
jpwhitingah, maybe18:45
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Sazpaimonjpwhiting, are you just making a cm or are you making an account plugin too?18:46
Sazpaimonout of curiosity18:46
jpwhitingwe made an account plugin also, but it's just a couple xml files18:46
jpwhiting.provider and .service iirc18:46
Sazpaimonah so youre just using the generic plugin18:46
jpwhitingyep, exactly18:47
Sazpaimoni have a project I'm sitting on that I need to utilize the signon library to do credential checking before passing it off to telepathy18:47
Sazpaimonand i cant find any good sample code to help me figure it out18:47
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tbf_<tbf_> jpwhiting, by looking at the tpqt4 code: guess you'll also have to emit AvatarRetrieved() ?18:48
tbf_ jpwhiting: afaik the telepathy plugin only is interested in the avatartoken itself to figure out if there is an avatar at all18:48
jpwhitingwe weren't able to find any good examples of using the signon library either18:48
tbf_ jpwhiting: other than that it fully relies on the avatar cache of tpqt4, which seems to be built around RequestAvatars and AvatarDataUpdated18:48
tbf_ Sazpaimon Saviq sandst1 Saviq18:48
tbf_ Sazpaimon, other idea: do you actually announce the FeatureAvatarData feature?18:48
jpwhitingtbf_: yep, I see that now, I do send that out, I think my problem here is that RequestAvatars is called before the tokens are known18:49
jpwhitingI'll get it sorted out though, deleting the cache triggered what I expected before18:49
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tbf_jpwhiting, cann't you just cache the old avatar tokens?18:50
jpwhitingyeah, I probably should18:50
tbf_jpwhiting: and update them with real values as soon as you really know them18:50
tbf_jpwhiting: after all this entire avatar and presence and contactinfo thing is highly async and therefore up-to-date only by chance anyway18:51
Sazpaimonyeah it would be nice if nokia published the source code for even genericplugin18:51
Sazpaimonand some signon-ui examples18:51
Sazpaimonbut nope18:51
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jpwhitingtbf_: yeah, I found my problem, /me thinks how to fix it18:51
Sazpaimonand i really don't want to do credential checking in the account plugin itself18:52
Sazpaimonthats just a kludge18:52
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tbf_mardy: can you help Sazpaimon with implementing account plugins?18:52
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tbf_Sazpaimon: that's not complete?18:52
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Sazpaimonthat signonclient.cpp example might be good to look at18:53
tbf_this seems to be a complete plugin18:54
Sazpaimoni was looking at this18:54
Sazpaimonas more of a UI sample18:54
Sazpaimonbecause I wanted to abandon my QML-based account plugin18:55
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djszapijonni: ping18:57
jonnidjszapi: pong18:58
djszapijonni: I localized the issue about the reboot app18:58
djszapiplease let us discuss it in private18:58
djszapiI have a very simple workhorse representing the issue :)18:58
itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon: are you on 1.2 yet?19:00
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Sazpaimonitsnotabigtruck, yep19:06
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jonnifont change is the biggest change that quite many apps need to fix their layouts. I've already fixed my apps for PR1.2 few feeks ago.19:14
itsnotabigtruckhow long did it take for the flash image to arrive for PR1.1 after the initial rollout19:15
Sazpaimonwhat exactly is the font change19:15
jonni1-2 weeks or so19:15
Sazpaimoni can see some fonts look different19:16
Sazpaimonbut i cant see how19:16
Sazpaimonare they just using pure on more places?19:16
jonniit looks about the same, but margins differ a bit19:16
jonnior spacing19:16
jonnilike this
itsnotabigtruck1 or 2 *weeks*? :/19:18
jonnithat was on pr1.1, I have no idea what it will be on pr1.219:20
Jaredoes the backup contain all contacts and messages?19:21
itsnotabigtrucki'm just worried because sw cert downgrade blocking + no flash image available = really bad combination19:22
itsnotabigtruckbetter image my phone once i'm done with this19:22
Jarenevermind, found the folder19:23
jonniitsnotabigtruck: yep might sound dangerous, carefull people would not do ssu yet, but wait for few weeks to see if anyone has problems. I ssu'ed today without problems though.19:28
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itsnotabigtruckjonni: i'm not worried about the update itself being dangerous, i'm worried about there being no easy way to get back to an operational system if something gets screwed up later19:30
jonniitsnotabigtruck: yep in case of malf, it might be safer to wait for bin and not to ssu yet.19:31
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SazpaimonI dont understand the price jump between 8GB and 4GB laptop ram19:33
itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon: density19:33
SazpaimonI can pay $40 for 2 4GB sticks19:33
itsnotabigtruckhigher density = more expensive19:33
Sazpaimonand $90 for 1 8GB stick19:33
jonniheh I dont understand the 100% price jump in 2TB hdd's :=)19:33
jpwhitinghmm, does meego not support bmp file format?19:34
jonniohwell I can understand that its because of the floods19:34
jpwhitingthe avatars I'm getting are bmp, but don't appear19:34
jpwhitingwget on my pc to get the bmp file, it opens on the pc, but then scp onto the N9 it wont open :/19:34
ZogG_laptopsup guys19:35
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: wondering about package signatures you post, so now i can't install any deb from net?19:36
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: yeah, you can19:36
itsnotabigtruckbut you can't install any deb from an APT repository19:36
itsnotabigtruckunless that APT repository is a) signed19:36
ZogG_laptopoh, sucks but i use only official and apps4meego19:37
itsnotabigtruckb) just right as to not trigger the bug19:37
ZogG_laptopguys, need advice, should i change from 005 to 001?19:37
itsnotabigtruckand apparently some figures at nokia are pretending this is a security measure, and not a change gone wrong19:37
itsnotabigtruckso don't get your hopes up for it being corrected19:37
ZogG_laptopwontfix as always19:37
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itsnotabigtruckfor example OBS repositories even if unsigned don't trip the bug19:38
SazpaimonZogG_laptop, I changed to 001 for PR1.119:38
Sazpaimonno issues with getting PR1.219:38
itsnotabigtruckwhich is fortunate, because OBS's built-in signing feature doesn't work19:38
itsnotabigtruckit requires special configuration that the c-obs admins didn't do19:38
ZogG_laptopSazpaimon: good, i can do it with nsu as i understand19:39
SazpaimonI did it OTA19:39
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: don't think you can use NSU to change variants, but you can use flasher19:39
ZogG_laptopSazpaimon: how19:39
itsnotabigtruckbut there's no flasher image for 1.219:39
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: there is howto in pr1.2 thread19:39
itsnotabigtruckalso, you can't change to a lower variant, if you aren't upgrading the version at the same time19:39
SazpaimonZogG_laptop, I changed to 001 for PR1.119:39
Sazpaimonthen when PR1.2 came out i just did it OTA19:39
ZogG_laptopSazpaimon: how you changed to global?19:39
Sazpaimonjust flash it with the global PR1.1 firmware19:40
itsnotabigtruckso e.g. 1.0 005 -> 1.1 001 is ok19:40
Sazpaimonusing navifirm19:40
ZogG_laptopnow i get it19:40
itsnotabigtruck1.1 005 -> 1.1 001 is not ok19:40
Sazpaimonah yeah19:40
Sazpaimonbecause it's going to a lower version number19:40
ZogG_laptopbtw how does it work?19:40
Sazpaimonif you're already on PR1.1 you're out of luck19:40
ZogG_laptopi mean why can't i19:40
itsnotabigtruckthat's kind of a problem, because most people with this problem are on 1.1 00x19:40
ZogG_laptopis it software only issue19:40
itsnotabigtruckwhich means you have to wait for it to release on other variants, or wait for the flasher image19:41
Sazpaimonnokia's flasher doesn't allow you to flash witha  version lower than what you have19:41
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ZogG_laptopor something that they change in more deeper levels (like iOS thing with modem updates when u can't downgrade and so on)19:41
Sazpaimonbut i reccomend when PR1.2 comes out on navifirm, flash with the global variant19:41
ZogG_laptopSazpaimon: any profit from it?19:41
Sazpaimonyou'll get PR1.3 faster19:41
Sazpaimonas in, the day it comes out19:41
Sazpaimonassuming PR1.3 comes out19:42
itsnotabigtruckwhat's the battery minimum in order to execute a flash19:42
ZogG_laptopit would the question how many wontfix and what about 1.419:42
itsnotabigtrucklooks like i'm at 40% now19:42
ZogG_laptopas 1.3 is just bugfix for 1.2 nd already there are tests19:42
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: it wouldn't matter so much if there were more open source components19:43
itsnotabigtruckbut harmattan is the most closed maemo yet :(19:43
Sazpaimonso why are nokia labeling their versions with m7 now19:43
itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon: i think that stands for milestone, not maemo19:43
itsnotabigtruckit's the 7th iteration19:43
Sazpaimonitsnotabigtruck, well its always gone with maemo iteration19:43
itsnotabigtruckpr1.0 was probably m519:43
Sazpaimon1.0 was m619:44
hiemanshu_anyone tried video calling yet with skype?19:44
Sazpaimoni think19:44
itsnotabigtruckhiemanshu_: i thought skype doesn't have video calling19:44
itsnotabigtruckjingle does19:44
itsnotabigtrucker, gtalk19:44
itsnotabigtruck(on pr1.2 that is)19:44
hiemanshu_itsnotabigtruck: I thought 1.2 added it19:44
itsnotabigtruckok, i think 41% ought to be enough for reflashing 1.119:45
Sazpaimonbeta2 is PR1.0 iirc19:46
itsnotabigtrucknah, beta3 is19:46
Sazpaimonbeta3 is PR1.1 i though19:46
Sazpaimonbecause there's no beta419:46
itsnotabigtruckthat's why the SDK is out of date compared to pr1.119:46
itsnotabigtruckand nokia won't do anything about that either19:46
Sazpaimonwell either way19:46
Sazpaimonthe packages there are all m619:47
Sazpaimonso pre-1.0 and 1.0 and 1.1 were all m619:47
* itsnotabigtruck is more than a little bit pissed about that after spending a few hours attempting to make my source package build19:47
Sazpaimonand now they're suddenly m719:47
ZogG_laptopbtw does it has this stupid one by one apps install?19:48
Sazpaimonso I guess we should start calling Pr1.2 maemo 719:49
jonniwith ssu, you dont need to reinstall. different case with full flash and backup&restore, which is not avail yet.19:49
itsnotabigtruckweird...flasher says i have 26% battery, lpsmagic said i had 40% or so19:51
Sazpaimonharmattan has really weird battery indicators19:53
ZogG_laptopSazpaimon: ^19:53
Sazpaimonive had it go from 1% to 20% without even charging19:53
ZogG_laptopjonni: nsu is actually flash not?19:53
Sazpaimonlast time I used NSU was with symbian19:53
Sazpaimonand that was before they did OTA updates19:53
Sazpaimonrunning nokia link to back your phone up isnt the most difficult thing in the world19:54
Sazpaimonin fact its super simple19:54
itsnotabigtruckok, phone status = cleansed, now time to update19:54
ZogG_laptopok reboot to windows19:54
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jonniZogG_laptop: yep NSU is full flash .bin images, but most likely it takes a while before NSU images are available19:55
itsnotabigtruckoh btw has anyone attempted to initiate the update with calendarrr installed?19:57
itsnotabigtrucki'm curious about what happens when there's a dependency conflict with an update package19:57
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pais there still someone who hasnt got 1.2 officially?20:00
itsnotabigtruckpa: a lot of people20:00
* jpwhiting hasn't20:00
itsnotabigtruckanyone in non-001 regions20:00
pado i get from Manage applications -> check updates?20:00
* jpwhiting hasn't tried though20:00
itsnotabigtruck001 = western europe, latin america, maybe a few others20:00
Sazpaimon001 is pretty much global20:00
pais norway 001?20:01
* jaywink only got it after checking via the manage applications ... don't wait for it to pop up ...20:01
Sazpaimon001 is labeled as ROW for firmware images20:01
SazpaimonROW = "rest of world"20:01
itsnotabigtruckpa: some countries have special country variant firmware that could be a problem too20:01
itsnotabigtruckDownloading: 0 kB :/20:02
pabut can i flash with a 001 firmware somehow? (and thus debrand the phone)20:02
Sazpaimonbasically, anyone that doesnt get a specific country variant20:02
Sazpaimonpa, you can if you have PR1.020:02
paups.. i updated to 1.1...20:02
SazpaimonPR1.1 001 firmware is the lowest verson number for PR1.120:02
paah right20:02
pabut then can i flash with pr1.2 001?20:03
Sazpaimonso if you have PR1.1 for another variant, flasher wont let you do it because it'd be considered a "downgrade"20:03
itsnotabigtruckpa: yep, but you can't flash pr1.2 at all yet20:03
itsnotabigtruckonly SSU20:03
paso i should wait to update20:03
pawould it debrand my phone?20:03
rm_worki still need to update my n950 from the firmware it shipped with20:03
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itsnotabigtruckit's possible to update your phone if you *really* want to, but it's complicated and you shouldn't do that20:03
Sazpaimonyou can always go to a nokia store and request a downgrade20:03
Sazpaimonthey have the hardware to do that20:04
rm_workis there a better backup method yet for contacts / SMS logs / etc?20:04
paand, by the way, it restore it to factory default, and delete all the applications, right? if i will flash with 1.2 0+0120:04
Sazpaimonrm_work, nokia link works pretty well20:04
rm_workSazpaimon: via PC?20:04
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rm_workdoes that actually work properly for backup of contacts for beta2?20:04
rm_workor rather20:04
itsnotabigtruckpa: yeah, flashing removes all apps20:05
Sazpaimonits worked for me on my N920:05
itsnotabigtruckit's a good idea anyway, have a clean start20:05
rm_worki never even did the beta2 upgrade20:05
itsnotabigtrucki went and reset my n9 to a clean pr1.1 install before initiating the ota upgrade20:05
pathen i will do that :) thanks for the advice20:05
pai anyway have no messages or other stuff yet20:05
pawaiting for my microsim20:05
rm_workI may just have to give up and do the PR1.1 flash and lose all my data <_<20:05
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rm_workmy phone is practically useless now, can't send and receive calls 75% of the time because of that UI bug20:06
itsnotabigtruckrm_work: what bug is that?20:06
itsnotabigtruckanyway, don't fear the flasher20:06
rm_workand it dies after 4 hours or so because the messageserver process gets stuck at 100% CPU20:06
rm_workand drains it20:06
rm_worki have to constantly watch top and kill it whenever it happens20:07
rm_workitsnotabigtruck: the phone app is just a black screen20:07
rm_workno answer/decline call buttons on incoming calls, and no hangup button or onscreen numpad on outgoing calls20:07
rm_workso i also can't check my voicemail20:08
rm_workit was a common bug20:08
rm_workbut everyone else has flashed up to the official firmware by now20:08
rm_workN950 had a pre-release beta firmware20:08
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rm_workif you have an N9 you probably never had to deal with this20:08
befordhi e-yes, nice progress on nitdroid for n920:09
pain general however, do you think it is reasonable to have dual boot meego+android (when it will be available) on a 16gb n9?20:09
paor the space is too little?20:09
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e-yesbeford, thx20:11
e-yespa, I have 16gb version20:11
itsnotabigtruckpa: i don't think it would be a problem if you don't mind having little storage space for multimedia and maps20:11
pathats reassuring :)20:11
e-yeshome partition is about 2gb, isn't it?:)20:11
pasomething like that20:11
pabut where does android go? user data partition?20:11
itsnotabigtruckw000000 flashtime20:12
paitsnotabigtruck, no i dont mind.. i also have hopes in g-drive20:12
itsnotabigtruckit would be nice to repart the phone, the standard partition layout is inefficient20:12
paby the way, i read 1.2 improves the camera app.. how?20:15
itsnotabigtruckpa: continuous shot mode20:17
paah, thats it?20:17
itsnotabigtruckyou can hold down the shutter and take a zillion pictures20:17
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ZogG_laptopanyone can help me with NSS20:25
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ieatlintwe need panorama for the n920:26
pathat too20:26
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itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: that's nemesis service suite, right?20:26
itsnotabigtrucki don't think NSS's pc change feature works on any modern nokias20:27
ieatlintalso, a 41mp camera phone is ridiculous20:27
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck, yeah20:27
befordand with symbian? :P20:27
pawhat about atom phones? will battery last 1h? :)20:27
ieatlintactually i prefer it symbian over wp720:27
ieatlinthey, that's mean, it'll last at least 3h20:28
itsnotabigtruck28% :/20:28
itsnotabigtruckflashing my phone takes 2 minutes20:28
itsnotabigtruckSSUing it takes 45 mins20:28
djszapiyes, that is what I also noted yesterday.20:29
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: hmm, guess it does work then20:30
itsnotabigtruckthen NSS+NSU is probably the most user friendly way to do it, though the downgrade restriction still applies20:31
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paquestion: how do i choose encoders for the sip client on N9?21:37
pait seems it goes to speex by default21:37
paand i want gsm21:37
itsnotabigtruckpa: you edit some file in /etc21:37
itsnotabigtruckdon't ask me which one :p but the google knows21:37
itsnotabigtruckyou can rearrange the priority so speex is last21:38
itsnotabigtrucke-yes: did you find sparsify?21:41
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itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: what?21:43
ZogG_laptopnss just doesn't find anything21:43
ZogG_laptopnothing on navit21:43
ZogG_laptopsame with nps21:43
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: then skip the PC change and just flasher it21:44
itsnotabigtruckthere's no need to change product codes when you have flasher21:45
ZogG_laptopflash with what?21:45
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ZogG_laptopbut i want 00121:45
ZogG_laptopi have 001 already21:46
itsnotabigtrucki'm assuming that's what you're trying to do because changing product codes won't actually do anything21:46
ZogG_laptopi mean 1.121:46
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ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck, i want 001 so i don't need to wait everytime21:46
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: what version and variant are you on right now21:46
ZogG_laptopbut as i understand you can't flash to 001 from 00521:46
ZogG_laptop1.1 00521:46
itsnotabigtruckyeah, so you can't do anything using either nss or flasher to fix that until the pr1.2 images are out21:47
itsnotabigtruckalternately, you could fool around with apt to replace the 005 packages with 001 packages21:47
itsnotabigtruckand upgrade that way21:47
itsnotabigtruckif you don't know precisely what you're doing don't do that, it's untested21:47
ZogG_laptopdon't think it's proper way21:47
itsnotabigtruckof course it's not proper :p21:48
ZogG_laptopi mean it can screw things up =\21:48
ZogG_laptopi think the 001 is saved not only in repos21:48
rigowZogG_laptop, failed to upgrade?21:48
ZogG_laptoprigow, no update at all21:48
ZogG_laptopnever got ota since n900 =)21:49
itsnotabigtrucknokia needs to get out of the 90s with all this regional segmentation and variant codes and whatnot21:51
itsnotabigtruckit isn't *that* bad with the n9, but with some of their other products it's terrible21:51
itsnotabigtruckit's not uncommon that they simply forget entire product codes and never update them until a ton of people start complaining21:51
itsnotabigtrucke.g. my E71 was some US country variant that never got updates for a long time21:52
itsnotabigtruckbut there was a different variant that did21:52
ZogG_laptopis there 1.1.1 global?21:52
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: no, 1.1.1 is 005 only21:52
ZogG_laptopi didn't get it btw21:53
itsnotabigtruckit's for middle eastern product codes only21:53
itsnotabigtruckand i don't think it was ever distributed as an ota update21:53
itsnotabigtrucknsu only21:53
itsnotabigtruckthe big change was adding arabic support21:53
paok voip vorks21:54
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paZogG_laptop, i also want 001.. i decided to wait and reflash21:56
pahow do i find what i have now?21:56
rigowhm, update not working, just hangs forever in "Meego update" at 0%21:58
rigowapt-get -f install shows now prob21:59
rigows/now prob/no prob/22:00
infobotrigow meant: apt-get -f install shows no prob22:00
rigowhey infobot, old friend!22:00
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rigowinfobot, itsnotabigtruck is also very nice to N9 users22:01
infobotokay, rigow22:01
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rigowah, can't complete the download, Connection to the application provider was lost. Try again later22:09
rigowLooks like
rigowwas right22:09
rigowthey sold so many N9 that now their servers can't keep up with the update22:10
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rm_workwhat is the "smartsearch" process and how do i make it stop... when I kill it, it just spawns again with a new processID immediately, and it is eating my battery stuck at 100% constantly22:15
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rigowitsnotabigtruck I think the thing that prevents the ovi store from working is also messing up the update22:17
gabriel9good evening22:17
rigowI have the flasher now, but which firmware to use?22:18
gabriel9does your scrolling lag?22:18
gabriel9on N9 after update22:18
rigowno update yet22:18
gabriel9ah i see22:18
rigowhave you opened a terminal and looked whether there are background processes running?22:18
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pais there some hope to get a widget system for N9?22:28
paat least for the radios22:29
palike in android, but actually something like widgetsoid would be perfect22:29
gabriel9how to see background processes?22:32
gabriel9which one is trouble22:32
rigowdo you have developer mode enabled?22:33
pabut im a bit disappointed that top does not let me change the refreshing time22:33
pais it a modified version?22:33
gabriel9yes i have22:34
gabriel9developer mode22:35
itsnotabigtruckrigow: lol22:35
gabriel9and i have home screen settings22:35
itsnotabigtruckwell anyway, i was able to update to PR1.2 right after flashering to PR1.122:35
itsnotabigtruckso if you're still having weird update issues try that, it should be surefire22:35
paitsnotabigtruck, howc can one see the regional code?22:36
itsnotabigtruckpa: try sysinfoclient -a22:36
itsnotabigtruckit's toward the end of the firmware version22:37
itsnotabigtruckalso, that's exactly why we have this mess, the firmware version string is what's checked, from left to right22:37
itsnotabigtruckthe variant code is the last component of the version22:37
itsnotabigtruckfortunately it's not the first component, that would be really lame22:38
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itsnotabigtruckalso gabriel9: apt-get install htop22:38
itsnotabigtruckhtop is the stuff22:38
gabriel9yes i use it on my archlinux22:39
paitsnotabigtruck, that stuff provides an impossible to read string22:39
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itsnotabigtruckpa: scroll up and down until you find the firmware version22:39
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paok, content-ver?22:41
rigowmy N9 doesn't update. This says to remove the caches and  reinstall pr 1.1 using NSU22:41
pa320, is it possible?22:41
itsnotabigtruckpa: sysinfoclient -p /device/sw-release-ver22:41
rigowwhat does he mean by NSU?22:41
itsnotabigtruckrigow: nokia software update = nsu22:41
itsnotabigtrucki mentioned using flasher, which does the same stuff nsu does but from the command line22:41
itsnotabigtruckNSU is for consumers and unlike flasher it works on all nokias22:42
rigowok, so better install the flasher, but would I still rm -rf /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*22:42
rigowsounds kinda strange22:43
pait says PR_32022:43
pathe last letters22:43
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itsnotabigtruckpa: that means you have a country variant22:45
pai guess22:45
paand i want to debrand it22:45
itsnotabigtruckrigow: well, if you flash, everything in /etc will be nuked22:45
itsnotabigtruckyou need to download the flash images too, install NAVIFIRM22:46
itsnotabigtruckspecifically NAVIFIRM+ 1.622:46
itsnotabigtruckmake sure nokia care suite is selected, and download the 001 firmware image and your country's mmc image22:46
itsnotabigtruckactually download the no-maps mmc image (it's under the ROW BLACK entry) because the mmc maps are out of date22:47
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck why 1.6?22:47
ZogG_laptopwhat's wrong with 1.6?22:47
rigowok, does the 3.12 flasher know where to download those images?22:47
rigowor do I have to get them beforehand?22:48
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itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: nothing wrong with 1.622:53
itsnotabigtruckthere's a bunch of different NAVIFIRM forks22:53
itsnotabigtrucksome of them don't let you download mmc images22:53
rigowthere is 1.722:53
rigowI can't find 1.622:53
itsnotabigtruckoh, then download that22:53
itsnotabigtrucki thought 1.6 was the latest, 1.7 is fine22:53
itsnotabigtruckflasher doesn't know how to download anything - you download the image separately and tell flasher to use it22:54
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ZogG_laptopgive me my 1.2 =)23:15
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ZogG_laptopgonna try nss on other pc23:15
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bluesleepr 1.2 seems to be overrated23:19
bluesleedoes someone know what is meant by "video call support"?23:19
Anssi138pr 1.2 is the good stuff23:19
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bluesleeAnssi138: sure there is good stuff contained but the people think that a firmware release will change everything to the good which is not the case23:21
petteriblueslee: probably means it is coming in 1.3 :P23:21
Anssi138at least when i tried to call video call to it, it didn't succeeded.23:21
Anssi138yes, i have symbian.23:22
* marsje is trying to update to PR1.223:22
Anssi138i know23:22
marsjeit seems lik ethe update process shuts down the wifi connection and then complains it can't download the update23:22
bluesleemy update procedure took about 30 minutes, i was suprised23:23
rigowoh my! trying to flash my phone, started second laptop with win7, now thing is configuring windows updates since 30min and finally failed now telling me that it reverts all the changes23:24
marsjeit first downloaded, then started installing, but it was suck at 0%. Then it said it was interrupted.. starting over does not seem to help23:24
Anssi138marsje: that's weird, probably it should not do that. You have rebooted ofc and tried again?23:24
marsjeAnssi138: ofc?23:24
Anssi138i believe it's stuck in 0% for quite some time and then it start to progress23:25
Anssi138of course23:25
Anssi138oldest trick to fix software.23:25
marsjeI did reboot23:25
marsjebut I can try again23:25
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rigowmarsje, this is what I found
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rigowI have the same issue BTW23:33
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marsjerigow: removing all that and then reinstall pr1.1??23:41
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marsjewhat does "reinstall pr1.1" mean?23:43
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck, on other comp nss detects phone but can't read any info23:43
ZogG_laptopmaybe it's coz it's laptops23:43
itsnotabigtruckwho here is familiar with open mode?23:44
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jonnirigow: if you do rm commands, then your screwed, that suggestion post in that url is just wrong23:46
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck, there is mamemo thread23:46
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ZogG_laptop ~aegis-no-thanks23:46
infobotfrom memory, aegis-no-thanks is
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: not good enough23:47
jonniitsnotabigtruck: I know a bit about open mode23:47
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bluesleei will try to switch back to pr 1.1 at the weekend23:48
jonnirigow: you should not remove sources.list.d repoes, since if you do then it its not going to find the update again. its much easier just to reboot and issue "osa --discover"23:50
itsnotabigtruckeh, this isn't secret, might as well just ask - what has to be flashed to transition out of open mode23:51
itsnotabigtruckassuming system integrity is still intact23:51
itsnotabigtrucki.e. sw cert, kernel, etc.23:51
jonnijust kernel23:51
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itsnotabigtruckbecause apparently the new bootloader flips the openmode bit merely by booting an unsigned kernel23:52
itsnotabigtruckso i didn't even flash anything unauthorized - and it still transitioned23:52
itsnotabigtrucki guess apt-get --reinstall kernel kernel-flasher should work then23:52
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jonniitsnotabigtruck: I havent tested in PR1.2, atleast in PR1.1 it was enough23:52
jonnihavent seen yet PR1.2 source code dvd in the net yet23:53
ZogG_laptopjonni, leaks as Nokia data \o/23:53
itsnotabigtruckwoooo, downloading the pr1.2 kernel at dial-up speed23:55
jonniitsnotabigtruck: booting to unsigned kernel (even if you dont flash it, like rescue kernel&initrd) always triggers the openmode bit, it has done that always from pr1.023:55
itsnotabigtruckjonni: interesting...because that's exactly what i did and i was advised that it didn't do that, heh23:56
marsjehmmm, again I get "Update interrupted"23:56
kkitomarsje I have the same problem23:56
jonniitsnotabigtruck: security thing, since otherwise you could compromise normal mode23:57
kkitoanyone know how to fix the "update interrupted" issue?23:57
rigowmany people here having the same issue23:58
marsjethe N9 logging is terrible... log is full of messages but it's hard to see what is an error and what is a normal debug message23:58
itsnotabigtruckjonni: except that aegis is specifically intended to prevent that sort of thing23:58
kkitomarsje, where is your n9 from?23:59
itsnotabigtruckand if reflashing just the kernel exits open mode, it also negates any perceived security advantage of that too23:59
jonnikkito: rigow: so what kind of tricks have you tested already?  reboot; devel-su; apt-get clean; apt-get update;osa --discover23:59

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