| SqRt7744 | hmm. Call me fool, but I don't get it. | 00:02 |
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| djszapi | SqRt7744: on_languageChooser_currentIndexChanged -> you have this slot, right ? | 00:03 |
| SqRt7744 | yeah... | 00:03 |
| djszapi | you can call it from qml directly. | 00:04 |
| djszapi | provided you expose the container class as a context property. | 00:04 |
| djszapi | this is an example how to do that: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdeedu/kanagram/repository/revisions/master/entry/src/harmattan/main.cpp#L42 | 00:05 |
| SqRt7744 | djszapi, ah ok, i think i get it. will try, thanks | 00:07 |
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| SqRt7744 | djszapi, cool, it works. But I would still like to know why the signal/slot stuff isn't working the normal way... | 00:14 |
| SqRt7744 | thanks though! | 00:15 |
| djszapi | the is not the normal way | 00:16 |
| djszapi | forget that design in qml really, and do not spend more time with it. | 00:16 |
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| djszapi | not worth it. | 00:16 |
| djszapi | rzr: ping | 00:27 |
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| SqRt7744 | in a ListView, does anyone know what the correct signal when an item is selected? onAccepted doesn't seem to exist... | 00:46 |
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| SqRt7744 | ok blast this, does anyone know how to pass a QModelIndex (the selected index in ListView) back to C++?? When I try, I get an error "Unknown method parameter type: QModelIndex" | 01:32 |
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| M4rtinK | thp: you there ? :) | 02:58 |
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| Sazpaimon | you know that show undercover boss | 05:03 |
| Sazpaimon | i would kill to have an episode about nokia | 05:03 |
| Clint | make your own | 05:04 |
| Sazpaimon | but then elop has to agree to that | 05:04 |
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| djszapi | morning | 05:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 'sup | 05:32 |
| beford | hi | 05:33 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | that's strange, i saw myself get booted with a ping timeout | 05:34 |
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| djszapi | LOL kdelibs is still building | 05:43 |
| djszapi | it was around 60% when I left 5 hours ago. | 05:43 |
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| * djszapi ponders whether some dependency update got it retriggered for building | 05:45 | |
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| Sazpaimon | I just looked at nokia public transport | 06:46 |
| Sazpaimon | i want it | 06:46 |
| Sazpaimon | so bad | 06:46 |
| Sazpaimon | I can uninstall Gapp | 06:47 |
| Sazpaimon | because for somne reaason harmattan's maps app things I should walk 3 miles to get to the train station instead of taking a bus | 06:52 |
| Sazpaimon | what | 06:52 |
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| djszapi | rzr: you generated at least 2 broken packages (aspell and hunspell) | 10:06 |
| djszapi | I am not sure it is fine making aggregations, but please aggregate the dependencies as well at least. | 10:06 |
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| rhkfin | Has anyone noticed that the bluetooth pairign code doesn't match when pairing N950 & N900: For example N950 shows 739090 and 900 shows 073909. Or 735900 and 073590. It's one number shift. But however the binding is made successfully. | 11:33 |
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| ArkanoiD_ | Did anyone fill harmattan bug on rotation and vkb regressions in pr1.2 beta? | 11:39 |
| ArkanoiD_ | cannot find if there already is one | 11:39 |
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| djszapi | ArkanoiD_: what type of regressions ? | 11:40 |
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| ArkanoiD_ | djszapi, with 1.2, vkb often either does not go away when swiped down or opening hardware kb or leaves occupied space unavailable to applications even after it goes away | 11:42 |
| djszapi | ArkanoiD_: N9 does not have hwkb, so are you speaking about N950 ? | 11:44 |
| ArkanoiD_ | yes | 11:44 |
| djszapi | I will ask mikhas. | 11:44 |
| RST38h | vkb did not go away for me even before 1.2 | 11:50 |
| RST38h | have to learn a really special gesture for that =) | 11:50 |
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| djszapi | ArkanoiD_: 1) Is there a reliable way to reproduce issue? 2. Does it only affect certain apps? | 12:00 |
| ArkanoiD_ | djszapi, almost every, and for sure terminal and messaging. I will try to find out if secondary factors affect ability to reproduce -- say, swipe being on or off, etc | 12:07 |
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| Siva | Hi all, is there an OCR app for harmattan ? | 12:13 |
| djszapi | Siva: http://store.ovi.com/content/111546 :) | 12:14 |
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| djszapi | I do not see any generic one. | 12:15 |
| Siva | djszapi: but it looks like it's just for symbian devices.. | 12:17 |
| djszapi | I think your best bet is to check whether there was anything on fremantle | 12:18 |
| djszapi | and port it or so. | 12:18 |
| djszapi | or just write a frontend on top of an existing library for that goal. | 12:19 |
| NsaneCoffe | Does anyone else have problems with messageserver on nokia n9? Sometimes it constantly using 100% cpu even if im not using the phone. 300mAh batteryusage is a bit much in idle state | 12:19 |
| djszapi | it is sometimes overflooded with requests | 12:20 |
| Siva | djszapi: I am digging into this for now.. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44982&highlight=PhotoTranslator&page=5 | 12:20 |
| djszapi | because at certain times, it gets many many requests | 12:20 |
| djszapi | Siva: saw that one earlier, but cannot comment on it, sorry. | 12:21 |
| NsaneCoffe | yeah but its been using 100%cpu for the last 3 hours | 12:21 |
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| NsaneCoffe | i have to reboot the phone to get rid of the problem | 12:22 |
| NsaneCoffe | its quite annoying | 12:22 |
| djszapi | same for me with the email stuff ever since :P | 12:22 |
| NsaneCoffe | looks like the developer did the messageserver program on a monday =p | 12:24 |
| NsaneCoffe | had kind of the same problem on N900 | 12:24 |
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| NsaneCoffe | but it just sometimes used alot of cpu when i was using chat | 12:25 |
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| djszapi | ArkanoiD_: apparently related to a race condition | 13:05 |
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| djszapi | anybody from Darmstadt ? :) | 14:15 |
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| blackkiller | hey | 14:23 |
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| Aranel | does Nokia Store allow CLI-apps? I'll package xmp (module player) for myself, may release it on Store too if it's allowed. | 14:27 |
| petteri | there is irssi at the store | 14:28 |
| Aranel | looks like Nano too :) They would require a shortcut/launch to xterm I guess. | 14:29 |
| djszapi | it is fine, but I am not sure on purpose.. | 14:30 |
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| pyhimys | tracker-store has gone berserk on the phone. :( Any recommendations that I can do to it? | 14:40 |
| ArkanoiD_ | pyhimys, NOTHING :-( | 14:49 |
| pyhimys | ArkanoiD_: not exactly the answer i was hoping for :( | 14:59 |
| ArkanoiD_ | pyhimys, https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=245 this bug? | 15:02 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug 245 maj, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, REOP, CPU 100% tracker contacts merge | 15:02 |
| pyhimys | ArkanoiD_: that's the bug | 15:04 |
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| Siva | hi.. has anyone tried to compile tesseract-ocr for harmattan? | 15:23 |
| dymaxion | hi there, are there any tools to measure wifi strength on my N9 ? Also would it be able to differentiate two different WDS stations? I have setup a WDS mesh network, and would like to see whether I'm connecting to the base AP, or the client (extension) and what the signal strenghts of each are... | 15:26 |
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| Aranel | I've coded a CLI app on python, and made a QML UI for it, how can I make them work together? Any manuals? | 15:31 |
| djszapi | what do you mean by "make them work together" ? | 15:32 |
| Aranel | dymaxion: doesn't SysInfo app show wifi strength? I think it does. | 15:32 |
| Aranel | djszapi: I mean using a variable I set on python, on QML, or making some Python function run (signaling?) | 15:33 |
| djszapi | Siva: no, but seems trivial to port. | 15:33 |
| djszapi | Aranel: Have you tried PyQt ? | 15:34 |
| djszapi | you could have this variable as a property for instance and access from both directions then. | 15:34 |
| Aranel | djszapi: d'oh, no. I only tried http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Python_Harness_for_QML | 15:34 |
| djszapi | Siva: I can make the package for you if you wish :) | 15:34 |
| Aranel | and failed, it didn't show up as It does normally. | 15:34 |
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| djszapi | Aranel: I do not know PySide, just PyQt, sorry. | 15:35 |
| Aranel | djszapi: no problem, I have no idea about both of them anyway. Is there a good Harmattan PyQt manual? | 15:36 |
| Siva | djszapi: I have been trying that myself a bit.. but so far no luck.. could you package it for me? | 15:36 |
| djszapi | Aranel: python is not officially supported, but I think general manual is also good for you to begin. | 15:37 |
| ArkanoiD_ | pyhimys, the whole idea of replacing sqlite with tracker for everything is screwed :-( no dump/repair tools --> nothing could be done except waiting for a fix :-( | 15:37 |
| djszapi | Siva: what currency do you pay in ? :) | 15:37 |
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| l32606 | hi, could anybody tell me where can i find the pulseaudio-utils package for N9? | 15:38 |
| djszapi | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/p/pulseaudio/ | 15:38 |
| Aranel | djszapi: general manual? where? | 15:39 |
| djszapi | Aranel: just one of those: http://zetcode.com/tutorials/pyqt4/ | 15:39 |
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| l32606 | djszapi: thank you! | 15:40 |
| Siva | djszapi: I guess I have paid in advance in image processing units ;) | 15:41 |
| djszapi | Siva: how urgent is it for you ? | 15:42 |
| Aranel | djszapi: thank you ^^ looks like I'll have to read a lot of text, but better than nothing =) | 15:43 |
| Siva | djszapi: sooner the better.. | 15:44 |
| djszapi | Siva: I know everybody says that to me everywhere in each project :P | 15:45 |
| l32606 | djszapi: BTW, can i install it using apt-get? i don't know how can i add the source to /etc/apt/source.list.d? | 15:46 |
| djszapi | deb http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/ harmattan/sdk free non-free -> into your source list | 15:47 |
| djszapi | Siva done | 15:48 |
| djszapi | Aranel: there is a harmattan guy with a lot of PyQt skills, but I cannot recall his name.. | 15:51 |
| djszapi | Siva: follow the community repository because it should be there soonish | 15:53 |
| djszapi | as soon as c-obs publishes it. | 15:53 |
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| djszapi | Aranel: it was pycage | 15:58 |
| djszapi | (Martin Grimme) | 15:58 |
| aquarius | I'm thinking about getting an N9, but I do a lot of development of "mobile apps" which are actually on the web but with offline support. Does the N9's browser know how to cope with that sort of thing? | 15:59 |
| Aranel | djszapi: oh thanks :) I'll contact him if I have any problems regarding PyQt. =) | 16:00 |
| djszapi | Siva: echo 'deb http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/rzr:/harmattan/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard/ ./' >>/etc/apt/sources.list.d/nicks.list | 16:04 |
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| djszapi | X-Fade: hi, how much time does it take us to get a built package published ? | 16:30 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: 30 secs? | 16:35 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: so why is it not there for half an hour ? | 16:35 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: It must hate you? :) | 16:35 |
| djszapi | :SD | 16:35 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: build log? | 16:35 |
| djszapi | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=tesseract&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard | 16:36 |
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| X-Fade | djszapi: rebuilding and watching the logs to see what is going on. | 16:56 |
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| djszapi | X-Fade: not the only package I experience this with. | 16:57 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Well, need to start somewhere :) | 16:58 |
| djszapi | yes, just fyi. | 16:59 |
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| faenil | guys how can I get file info with qml? | 17:18 |
| faenil | folderlistmodel just gived fileName and path -.- | 17:19 |
| djszapi | with bugreport ? :P | 17:20 |
| faenil | :O is that a way to say it's not possible atm? :D | 17:21 |
| faenil | gives* | 17:21 |
| djszapi | yes, but I am unsure whether it is worth adding/exposing. | 17:22 |
| djszapi | why not exposing it from C++ side btw ? | 17:22 |
| faenil | I'm using folderlistmodel to show files... | 17:22 |
| faenil | I thought that would have provided also a QFileInfo .. | 17:23 |
| faenil | what do you suggest doing? create a c++ QFileInfo when file details are requested and pass that to qml? | 17:23 |
| djszapi | could do that. | 17:24 |
| djszapi | anyway gtg :) | 17:25 |
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| djszapi | X-Fade any observations ? | 17:30 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Yes, it doesn't publish your repo, but does others.. | 17:30 |
| djszapi | not my repo, but community :) | 17:31 |
| X-Fade | But I have not found out yet why it does that. | 17:31 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Well, whatever, rzr's.. | 17:31 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: publish flag seems ok: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/repositories?project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan | 17:31 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Yeah, I even removed it and put it back again. | 17:32 |
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| djszapi | X-Fade: shall I open a bugreport ? | 17:34 |
| djszapi | for book keeping. | 17:34 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Sure | 17:35 |
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| SqRt7744 | does anyone know how to get the selected item's modelIndex from a ListView back to C++? | 17:57 |
| SqRt7744 | my attempts end in segfaults. | 17:57 |
| radiofree | emit it? | 17:57 |
| SqRt7744 | i'm guessing the modelindex isn't preserved... | 17:57 |
| Siva | SqRt7744: doesn't currentIndex of ListView solve your purpose? | 17:59 |
| djszapi | SqRt7744: I gave you the example yesterday ;) | 18:02 |
| djszapi | SqRt7744: selectedIndex | 18:03 |
| djszapi | I also added deselectedIndex in master. | 18:03 |
| djszapi | again, here is the selectiondialog: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdeedu/kanagram/repository/revisions/master/entry/src/harmattan/MainSettingsPage.qml#L34 | 18:03 |
| djszapi | oopsie, that is for SelectionDialog. | 18:04 |
| djszapi | ListView has this "index". | 18:04 |
| SqRt7744 | djszapi, really? I thought we were talking about the signal/slot problem. In any case, trying to return selectedIndex segfaults | 18:04 |
| SqRt7744 | I'm going to try it again right now | 18:04 |
| SqRt7744 | this is the last piece of the puzzel, then evopedia is ported! Yay! | 18:05 |
| djszapi | and as Siva said, currentIndex too | 18:05 |
| beford | djszapi, hey, did you get your app aproved yet? | 18:06 |
| djszapi | beford: nop :) | 18:06 |
| beford | heh ok :p a couple more days then | 18:07 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: why doesn't c-obs use -jX like -j5, and not just -j1 ? | 18:08 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Because you have multiple cores. | 18:09 |
| djszapi | c-obs does not ? | 18:09 |
| X-Fade | It does. | 18:09 |
| X-Fade | Each build has 4 cores assigned. | 18:09 |
| djszapi | Why does it build with -j1 then ? | 18:09 |
| X-Fade | Well, that is because of someone complaining that we didn't follow the debian spec :) | 18:10 |
| djszapi | I could speed up the kdelibs build up to about one hour by using -j5, but it is still the old slow on c-obs :/ | 18:10 |
| X-Fade | As per debian spec you aparently should use -j1. | 18:10 |
| djszapi | sounds bad. | 18:11 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-buildservice/2011-04/msg00007.html | 18:12 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Or at least that discussion. | 18:12 |
| X-Fade | Ugly ;) | 18:12 |
| djszapi | " | 18:13 |
| djszapi | Well, it is obvious that the debian folks don´t care about anything outside | 18:13 |
| djszapi | their ivory tower." | 18:13 |
| djszapi | hahahahaha | 18:13 |
| djszapi | so true. | 18:13 |
| X-Fade | Classic discussion :) | 18:13 |
| jpwhiting | hey all, where does one get the firmware files to use with flasher to reflash an N9 device? | 18:14 |
| jpwhiting | I see there are some in navifirm, but what about folks without windows... | 18:14 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: you can extract it. | 18:14 |
| djszapi | but you might lose the warranty which is not a problem for N950. | 18:14 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: not for N9. | 18:14 |
| jpwhiting | out of navifirm? | 18:14 |
| jpwhiting | well, currently the device can't even start up all the way, so I'm willing to risk it :) | 18:15 |
| djszapi | I do not use navifirm, and I do not personally recommend that. | 18:15 |
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| jpwhiting | ah, where should I extract the firmware from? | 18:15 |
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| djszapi | but that might be the only option I am afraid. | 18:15 |
| jpwhiting | ah, other options are nsu? | 18:15 |
| djszapi | what is wrong with the Nokia software ? | 18:15 |
| jpwhiting | djszapi: which nokia software? | 18:16 |
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| djszapi | nsu | 18:16 |
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| jpwhiting | well, I have no windows machine for one | 18:16 |
| djszapi | nobody around you ? | 18:17 |
| jpwhiting | and to get it to work in the windows virtualbox, virtualbox needs to be able to set the usb device from the host | 18:17 |
| * jpwhiting should probably go install xp on the machine sitting in the closet I guess :/ | 18:17 | |
| djszapi | you can pass usb to virtualbox afaik | 18:17 |
| djszapi | it had issues with 2.0 few years ago, but I bet that is not an existence anymore. | 18:18 |
| jpwhiting | yes, but the device currently wont stay on for more than 30 seconds | 18:18 |
| jpwhiting | which makes it very hard to pass to virtualbox | 18:19 |
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| djszapi | cannot it be automated and pass it in couple of seconds ? | 18:21 |
| djszapi | so automatically when you connect ? | 18:21 |
| Sazpaimon_ | so Im guessing fennec addons written for firefox for android arent compatible with our fennec right? | 18:26 |
| Sazpaimon_ | (as in, almost all of them) | 18:26 |
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| SqRt7744 | ok djszapi , I remember what the problem is. When I try to return a modelIndex, I get the error "Unknown method parameter type: QModelIndex". I don't seem to be doing much (anything) different thatn what you are doing. My qml file can be seen here: https://github.com/Iktwo/evopedia/blob/master/src/qml/SearchPage.qml | 18:27 |
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| SqRt7744 | I guess I pissed him off | 18:28 |
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| faenil | has anyone coded a file manager in QML? | 18:34 |
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| beford | there is soemthing on the meego wiki | 18:39 |
| beford | oh its a fileselector http://wiki.meego.com/QML/FileSelector not manager, sorry | 18:40 |
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| faenil | the problem is that just gives fileName and filePath | 18:45 |
| NsaneCoffe | Hey guys how to i find out what shit app that's constantly asking Internet connection? It's driving me nuts | 18:45 |
| tomma | faenil, https://projects.developer.nokia.com/cuteexplorer | 18:47 |
| SqRt7744 | NsaneCoffe, what do you have installed? | 18:49 |
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| faenil | tomma: thanks, I'll give that a look | 18:49 |
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| NsaneCoffe | SqRt7744, way to much | 18:55 |
| faenil | tomma: but that doesn't use QFileSystemWatcher to update folders, or did I miss that? | 18:56 |
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| npm | well the PR1.2 alarm function works and has a pleasant tune, i can attest for that (it reminded me to watch the android conf :-)) | 19:00 |
| npm | although you should be able to access the clock/alarm app from the statusbar after clicking | 19:00 |
| npm | (it puts up a nice alarm-bell icon, but you can't do anything w/ it) | 19:01 |
| tomma | faenil, QFileSystemModel handles that http://developer.qt.nokia.com/doc/qt-4.8/qfilesystemmodel.html#setRootPath | 19:01 |
| faenil | oh ok wonderful, I got confused after reading https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-17141 | 19:02 |
| faenil | but folderlistmodel uses QDirModel, which is obsolete | 19:02 |
| npm | i wish nokia made an industrial version of the n9, with an armored exterior like a panasonic toughbook, and a really loud speaker with decent bass | 19:04 |
| npm | or at least the volume level and bass of the n950 | 19:04 |
| * npm waits for N9 "With delivery courier ... Destination Service Area: IRVINE, CA" | 19:07 | |
| SpeedEvil | npm: :) | 19:07 |
| * npm hadn't actually held an N9 until I saw qgil's at qt-project.org booth @ SCALE conf in LA | 19:08 | |
| npm | just a few weeks ago. a rare bird in the land of iphones and clones | 19:09 |
| npm | so much for the android conference video stream or the 9AM start... | 19:11 |
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| npm | maybe they're worried about having stallman chase them down, or apple sue them and so not broadcasting https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/android-builders-summit/yaghmour-keynote | 19:13 |
| npm | :-) | 19:13 |
| npm | because "Can "classic" Linux apps be made to run with or under or on Android? Can such apps be made to "talk" to Android components and vice-versa? Beyond getting the basic BusyBox, glibc and glibc-compiled apps running under Android, this talk will go over some tips and tricks for making classic Linux apps coexist and interact with the Android stack on the same Linux kernel." seems interesting | 19:15 |
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| npm | oh it's on | 19:16 |
| npm | http://www.ustream.tv/channel/linux-foundation-live | 19:17 |
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| faenil | has anyone tried to dualboot on n950? | 19:25 |
| tomma | dualboot to what? | 19:26 |
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| faenil | nemo | 19:26 |
| faenil | following this guide | 19:26 |
| faenil | http://wiki.meego.com/User:Marquiz/N950 | 19:26 |
| npm | linux fnd android talk just mentiond alien dalvik on meego | 19:34 |
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| NsaneCoffe | Lol i can see that i havent been paying attention | 19:47 |
| NsaneCoffe | never heard of Nemo | 19:47 |
| NsaneCoffe | migth try to load it onto my n900 if its possible | 19:47 |
| djszapi | NsaneCoffe: #nemomobile channel | 19:51 |
| faenil | does anyone know how to disable usb networking on ubuntu? | 19:53 |
| faenil | it messed up my n950 | 19:53 |
| faenil | got to reflash :( | 19:53 |
| djszapi | really ? | 19:53 |
| djszapi | well you can always do the reverse steps | 19:54 |
| faenil | I need to disable that | 19:54 |
| faenil | because it's what blocks the modified moslo from repartitioning the device imho | 19:54 |
| faenil | ubuntu trying to take control of it | 19:54 |
| NsaneCoffe | lol | 19:55 |
| faenil | bbl | 19:56 |
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| faenil | so. nothing, couldn't get the dualbooting to work | 20:17 |
| faenil | does anyone know marquiz? | 20:18 |
| * djszapi is disappointed in nemo | 20:18 | |
| faenil | there are too few people working on it, we need hjelp | 20:18 |
| djszapi | I wish that was the biggest issue, and not wrong decisions. | 20:19 |
| faenil | wrong decisions about what | 20:19 |
| faenil | we're trying to rewrite all softwares in qml | 20:19 |
| djszapi | about not supporting kde in the "official" repository | 20:20 |
| faenil | don't know about that | 20:20 |
| djszapi | I do not even consider nemo until they realize kde is one of the biggest community on top of qt | 20:21 |
| djszapi | and many people are interested in kde app development for mobiles. | 20:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, in all fairness, it's nemo mobile, not kde mobile | 20:22 |
| djszapi | and that is exactly why I avoid it | 20:22 |
| djszapi | they dismiss everybody else who do not use their stuff | 20:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you can't just dump a desktop environment in a repo, you have to pick one thing and stick with it | 20:22 |
| djszapi | this is not open minded to me. | 20:22 |
| djszapi | desktop environment ? huh ? | 20:22 |
| djszapi | what are you talking about ? | 20:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the DE in KDE | 20:23 |
| djszapi | I think you got stuck 10years ago | 20:23 |
| djszapi | or maybe 15 :) | 20:23 |
| djszapi | I recommend you to go through my slides before thinking this wrong ;) | 20:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not exactly...anyway... | 20:24 |
| djszapi | actually even Harmattan ships kde app by default anyway | 20:24 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | the problem with nemo is that it seems they're tyring to solve crippling bureaucracy with more bureaucracy | 20:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and "Primary customers are device vendors - not end-users" when no device vendor wants it | 20:25 |
| djszapi | I do not care about nemo more at this point, sorry :) | 20:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what about implementing something by users for users, instead of yet another os that works for somebody else | 20:25 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | desktop OSes like ubuntu are built to serve the user, mobile OSes like android, meego, and so on are built to serve entrenched interests | 20:26 |
| hiemanshu | mer + KDE is a better thing than, nemo + KDE repo | 20:26 |
| djszapi | hiemanshu: please let kde the app developers and users decide what they like :) | 20:27 |
| djszapi | I do not think there is universally better. | 20:27 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: nemo mobile = mer + nemo UI | 20:27 |
| djszapi | yes...and ? | 20:27 |
| djszapi | you can use nemo mobile with a kdelibs functionality... | 20:28 |
| hiemanshu | if you want a different UI, use add a mer KDE repo, dont force it on a nemo repo | 20:28 |
| djszapi | I do not really understand your point | 20:28 |
| djszapi | I think you do not know what kdelibs is | 20:28 |
| djszapi | but this is *not* a different ui | 20:28 |
| djszapi | that is the main point here. | 20:28 |
| hiemanshu | oh sorry I forget, only you know things | 20:28 |
| hiemanshu | nvm | 20:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: the whole point of kde is to have tightly integrated apps/launcher/utilities/etc. | 20:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's kind of an all or nothing proposition | 20:28 |
| djszapi | at least the kde users and developers (most of them) do not think so :) | 20:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | maybe nemo should have been built on kde...i don't really know much about it - but that would probably represent pretty much starting over | 20:29 |
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| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: you do not know either what kdelibs is ? | 20:29 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: it is not plasma. | 20:29 |
| NsaneCoffe | APPS not ui | 20:30 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: I would seriously suggest you checking out the kde apps on Harmattan | 20:31 |
| djszapi | and my slides are perfect for that | 20:31 |
| djszapi | you would see we do use the Harmattan Ui style. | 20:31 |
| djszapi | that is not the main point behind this. | 20:31 |
| djszapi | it would not be any different for nemo either. | 20:31 |
| rzr | congratz djszapi | 20:32 |
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| rzr | i wish i had more time for harmattan | 20:32 |
| rzr | i had to finish a simple qml app | 20:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, for example, consider the port of kmail, it doesn't look anything like harmattan, and it doesn't integrate with things like the contacts database | 20:33 |
| djszapi | :) rzr we have some publishing issues in the community repostory for more packages. | 20:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | why? because it was built for kde and kde's pim subsystem | 20:33 |
| djszapi | except that kmail is not available. | 20:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | kontakt touch, whatever | 20:33 |
| djszapi | seriously, check out my presentation before saying wrong things :) | 20:34 |
| djszapi | no offense, really. | 20:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you tend to have an interesting idea of "wrong" most of the time | 20:34 |
| djszapi | I have no idea how you got to kmail from kdelibs | 20:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, no idea where said presentation would be found | 20:35 |
| djszapi | since I was talking about kdelibs | 20:35 |
| djszapi | please do not bypass the matter. | 20:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no, you were talking about kde everything, then brought up kdelibs all of a sudden | 20:35 |
| djszapi | very wrong | 20:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the problem is kde-everything else | 20:35 |
| djszapi | I was saying kdelibs | 20:35 |
| djszapi | even on #nemomobile actually | 20:35 |
| Iktwo | djszapi: where can I check your presentation? | 20:36 |
| djszapi | Iktwo: fosdem page. | 20:36 |
| Iktwo | thanks | 20:36 |
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| djszapi | Iktwo: I tried to dismiss the false visions that we read above for instance :) | 20:40 |
| djszapi | though the slides are simple, and it was not unfortunately recorded :/ | 20:40 |
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| Iktwo | I've checked them, personally I don't use KDE but I do know that it's one of the biggest communities on top of Qt as you said it | 20:45 |
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| SqRt7744 | ok djszapi , I remember what the problem is. When I try to return a modelIndex, I get the error "Unknown method parameter type: QModelIndex". I don't seem to be doing much (anything) different thatn what you are doing. My qml file can be seen here: https://github.com/Iktwo/evopedia/blob/master/src/qml/SearchPage.qml | 20:58 |
| djszapi | busy, ping in half an hour please. | 20:59 |
| SqRt7744 | ok | 20:59 |
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| djszapi | X-Fade: got a clue why kdelibs has kept rebuilding for two days, like instantly ? :) | 21:01 |
| djszapi | once a build is done ? | 21:01 |
| SqRt7744 | djszapi, I'm guessing you don't use ccache? (only good for recompiling..) | 21:02 |
| djszapi | I do not know whether I use or not | 21:02 |
| SqRt7744 | then you probably don't, def. worth setting up, it's only an apt-get* away | 21:03 |
| SqRt7744 | assuming you're on a debian based linux system | 21:03 |
| djszapi | SqRt7744: I do not explicitely, but the debian scripts might use that I included. | 21:04 |
| * ieatlint has his first code merge into qt :) | 21:10 | |
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| djszapi | ieatlint: link ? | 21:12 |
| djszapi | Iktwo: do you like KDE, if I may ask ? | 21:12 |
| ieatlint | unfortunately my name isn't on it... http://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,15952 | 21:15 |
| ieatlint | because of how it was done, a nokia employee merged the code, and only notes my current employer | 21:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Congrats! | 21:16 |
| ieatlint | but i wrote a udev handler for keyboards so it adds multiple keyboard support with hotswap | 21:16 |
| ieatlint | and also detects keyboards (in qt4, you had to tell the keyboard driver for qpa/qws where your keyboard was) | 21:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: well, given that inane auth requester I can figure what happened | 21:21 |
| ieatlint | you can make a reasonable guess that would have elements of truth, but the actual story is far more convaluted | 21:22 |
| ieatlint | i wrote the code in october, for instance | 21:22 |
| ieatlint | and it's been in limbo since, used on raspberry pi qt5 demos at nokia booths | 21:23 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: well done :) | 21:23 |
| Iktwo | djszapi: yes I liked it | 21:24 |
| Iktwo | long time ago | 21:24 |
| Iktwo | but I don't use it now | 21:24 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: wow, it is not a small patch | 21:24 |
| ieatlint | djszapi: it's bigger than it looks | 21:24 |
| djszapi | Iktwo: do not use plasma or kde apps in general ? | 21:24 |
| ieatlint | 90% of the keyboard code is actually from qt4 | 21:24 |
| Iktwo | kde apps in general | 21:25 |
| ieatlint | with some tweaks, mostly namespace | 21:25 |
| ieatlint | i took the qt4 keyboard code (which was mysteriously removed from the qt5 tree back in august), and wrote some udev code and updated namespace... since i did that, it's been cleaned up more, and the namespace has been changed again as the evdev* system was implemented | 21:26 |
| ieatlint | but it's like 1k lines of just a keyboard map, for instance | 21:26 |
| ieatlint | and now i'm in a painful presentation at a conference... note: don't make a presentation that consists of "here's a bunch of code i wrote, let me quickly go over it" | 21:28 |
| djszapi | Iktwo: not even okular ? :) | 21:29 |
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| djszapi | X-Fade: is it possible to grab dependencies from here for apps4meego packages in case nemo ? https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=kdelibs&project=Project%3AKDE%3ATrunk%3ATesting | 21:33 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: so ... could you help me please with building qtbase then ? :) Cannot seem to sort it out. | 21:33 |
| djszapi | http://developer.qt.nokia.com/wiki/Building_Qt_5_Documentation followed these instructions more or less ( I did not close the doc repository ) | 21:34 |
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| ieatlint | djszapi: i've compiled qt5 (all modules) for arm embedded and x11, and x68 x11 :P | 21:35 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: basically clone, configure, and then make. | 21:36 |
| ieatlint | although most recently in mid-december | 21:36 |
| ieatlint | it takes patience, especially for webkit | 21:36 |
| ieatlint | the configure line is what matters | 21:36 |
| djszapi | aye, that is my other doubt. I would like to build only qtcore inside qtbase. | 21:36 |
| djszapi | since I hack only on qtcore atm. | 21:36 |
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| SqRt7744 | I have had to work around the non-working passing of a QModelIndex from QML back to C++. I've gotten the code working, but only by passing back the name and using the name to research the entire model on the C++ side for the right index. Seems idiotic, but nothing else has worked. | 21:37 |
| djszapi | SqRt7744: why do you need to pass modelIndex ? | 21:39 |
| * SpeedEvil asks ieatlint what QT stands for. | 21:39 | |
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| SqRt7744 | i have the model, created on the c++ side, then I display it in a qml ListView, and when the user selects an item from the list, I would like to know which item has been selected... | 21:40 |
| ieatlint | that's a loaded question, so i'm going to knowingly respond quasar technology | 21:40 |
| SqRt7744 | that is how it worked when it was using qt/c++ views, and i would have thought I could just take that code and add in some qml, and be away to the races | 21:40 |
| ieatlint | SqRt7744: i don't have trouble doing that | 21:41 |
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| SqRt7744 | ieatlint, code or it didn't happen :-) | 21:41 |
| ieatlint | i simply use "index" in the listview delegate, which is equiv to QModelndex::row() | 21:41 |
| ieatlint | so when i look it up in the model on the c++ side, i just use that "index"/row | 21:42 |
| ieatlint | have written several apps that reliably do that | 21:42 |
| SqRt7744 | one does not simply use "index" ? | 21:42 |
| ieatlint | i'm also confused about your sample code above... the SearchPage.qml | 21:43 |
| ieatlint | huh, i guess i'm just unfamiliar with VisualDataModel | 21:44 |
| ieatlint | just specifying the delegate in the model, and a submodel, is odd to me | 21:44 |
| ieatlint | brb | 21:46 |
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| SqRt7744 | ieatlint, yeah, it is the product of various attempts to get the stuff working. | 21:48 |
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| djszapi | I am familiar at least with VisualItemModel, but I am not getting why "index" is not enough as advised few hours ago. Could you please explain the reasoning against that ? | 21:49 |
| ieatlint | ~. | 21:49 |
| infobot | methinks ~. is not the escape sequence you're looking for. | 21:49 |
| ieatlint | it was indeed the one i wanted | 21:49 |
| ieatlint | in qml, a model only uses the "index" (ie, row) and the role | 21:50 |
| ieatlint | so the index/row is enough to reference any selected item in a qml listview | 21:50 |
| SqRt7744 | i either get a segfault, or Error: Unknown method parameter type: QModelIndex | 21:50 |
| ieatlint | index is int | 21:51 |
| ieatlint | and a segfault means you're model is somehow broken | 21:51 |
| SqRt7744 | so how exactly do I use index? | 21:51 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: the issue is that the data method expects QModelIndex | 21:52 |
| djszapi | at least that is the only issue I could think of. | 21:52 |
| ieatlint | djszapi: fine, but do that in c++ | 21:52 |
| SqRt7744 | djszapi, exactly, thank you | 21:52 |
| ieatlint | you shouldn't need the qmodelindex in qml | 21:52 |
| SqRt7744 | technically I don't "need" it, since I can do the horribly expensive search through the model, give the name, to find the right index on the c++ side, just seems like there must be a better way. | 21:53 |
| ieatlint | you can make a qmodelindex specifying the row/index from qml to pass to the data() method if needed | 21:53 |
| ieatlint | so you're trying to search a model for a text string? | 21:54 |
| SqRt7744 | ieatlint, but what about the parent? | 21:54 |
| ieatlint | just create a model filter | 21:54 |
| ieatlint | do you have a tree model, or is it flat? | 21:54 |
| SqRt7744 | ok, you got me, this one happens to be flat, but if it weren't.. | 21:54 |
| * djszapi tries to reclone qtbase | 21:55 | |
| ieatlint | if it weren't flat, you'd be unhappy :) | 21:55 |
| ieatlint | tree models are a bitch in qml... i've ended up just flattening them, heh | 21:55 |
| SqRt7744 | It's just evopedia. I've ported it now, it works, it's fast, but really ugly. So if anyone is interested in beutifying the QML side of things, that would be awesome. Iktwo might work on it, haven't heard from him in a while | 21:56 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: the qt tree model is even bitch in c++ | 21:56 |
| ieatlint | true | 21:57 |
| SqRt7744 | i eat recursive for breakfast | 21:57 |
| ieatlint | SqRt7744: are you filtering by matching a string against a string in the model? | 21:57 |
| SqRt7744 | ieatlint, um, well, let me see... (not my code) | 21:58 |
| SqRt7744 | (I just ported it because it is incredibly useful) | 21:58 |
| jpwhiting | djszapi: hmm, nsu wont work because the device wont stay on long enough for nsu to find it :/ | 22:00 |
| jpwhiting | even with a physical windows xp box | 22:00 |
| jpwhiting | navifirm wont launch here either | 22:00 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: ouch :/ | 22:01 |
| SqRt7744 | ieatlint, doens't look like it. I think it is scanning the binary file or something. In any case it is fast. https://github.com/Iktwo/evopedia/blob/master/src/localarchive.cpp line 133 forwards | 22:01 |
| ieatlint | i've done halfassed filtering for that before... TextInput { name: filterString }; and then in delegate: "height: ( modelString.indexOf( filterString.text ) !== -1 ? 30 : 0 ) | 22:01 |
| ieatlint | essentially hides delegates that don't match the string | 22:02 |
| ieatlint | but truly half-assed :P | 22:02 |
| SqRt7744 | ieatlint, i useually use regular expressions which qt can take as filter arguments, that works really well and is flexible | 22:03 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: have you tried to change the battery ? | 22:03 |
| jpwhiting | djszapi: by opening it and such? no | 22:04 |
| djszapi | ohh it is N9, not N950. | 22:05 |
| jpwhiting | yep | 22:06 |
| jpwhiting | itsnotabigtruck: you mentioned something last week about WinFlasher | 22:06 |
| jpwhiting | I have winflasher, but winflasher.exe /? isn't showing anything | 22:06 |
| ieatlint | you can't get it to charge? | 22:06 |
| jpwhiting | ieatlint: nope | 22:07 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: have you tried the wait option ? | 22:07 |
| jpwhiting | it charges if I plug it into the wall for about 30 secs, then turns off | 22:07 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: it might also well be a battery issue | 22:07 |
| jpwhiting | djszapi: what wait option? | 22:07 |
| ieatlint | something is very wrong then... and flashing is unlikely to help even if you could | 22:07 |
| jpwhiting | ieatlint: indeed, that's what I'm thinking too | 22:08 |
| djszapi | sounds like a battery issue | 22:08 |
| djszapi | is it simple to disassembly the N9 ? | 22:08 |
| jpwhiting | djszapi: could the power button be stuck or something? when I plug it into the wall it tries to power on | 22:08 |
| ieatlint | no, not at all | 22:08 |
| djszapi | at least the N950 battery was compatible with N8 (?) | 22:08 |
| jpwhiting | then goes into charging (blinking light) then dies | 22:08 |
| djszapi | and one kde guy has this very same issue | 22:08 |
| jpwhiting | yep, I found images showing how to disassemble last night, and it is tricky looking | 22:09 |
| ieatlint | jpwhiting: it will boot the phone when you plug it in, this is normal | 22:09 |
| djszapi | I would give a try to this wait option | 22:09 |
| djszapi | other than that, I have zero clue, sorry. | 22:09 |
| ieatlint | but it won't boot it all the way -- you won't get an interactive UI, and no radios get turned on | 22:09 |
| jpwhiting | djszapi: what wait option are you talking about? | 22:09 |
| ieatlint | jpwhiting: have you tried plugging it in and just leaving it over night? | 22:10 |
| jpwhiting | ieatlint: yep, it shows charging led on, sometimes the 2nd or third time it shows nokia on the screen | 22:10 |
| jpwhiting | ieatlint: of course | 22:10 |
| ieatlint | yeah, hopefully it's under warranty, heh | 22:10 |
| jpwhiting | it cycles every 35 secs or so | 22:10 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: do not know by heart sorry | 22:10 |
| djszapi | you need to grep in the manual | 22:10 |
| djszapi | (help output) | 22:10 |
| jpwhiting | djszapi: WinFlasher wait option? | 22:10 |
| djszapi | no, simple flasher | 22:10 |
| jpwhiting | ieatlint: trouble is, I bought it in china, and live in the us... | 22:10 |
| jpwhiting | so even getting the warranty figured will be tricky | 22:11 |
| jpwhiting | the us warranty only covers bought in the us devices it seems | 22:11 |
| djszapi | Owait-charging | 22:11 |
| ieatlint | yeah, that is unfortunate then | 22:11 |
| djszapi | ahhh I remember when I had such an issue ! | 22:12 |
| djszapi | my phone got into a reboot loop | 22:12 |
| djszapi | and it was out of the energy | 22:12 |
| djszapi | and the reboot loop consumed more energy than the charging | 22:12 |
| jpwhiting | I've had similar issues with N900 and fixed by taking the battey out | 22:12 |
| djszapi | and this wait option solved it | 22:12 |
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| jpwhiting | djszapi: linux flasher? | 22:12 |
| djszapi | since it disabled the reboot loop | 22:12 |
| djszapi | yep | 22:12 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: does the flasher say out of the juice ? | 22:13 |
| djszapi | like 1-2 % ? | 22:13 |
| jpwhiting | djszapi: I haven't found the linux flasher | 22:13 |
| jpwhiting | I downloaded an amd64.deb but it wouldn't install with dpkg | 22:13 |
| * jpwhiting grabs it again | 22:14 | |
| ieatlint | you don't need to install it | 22:14 |
| djszapi | though I did not encourage you for navifirm .. | 22:14 |
| ieatlint | take the deb and do this: ar x amd64.deb ; tar zxf data.tar.gz ; ./usr/bin/flasher | 22:14 |
| jpwhiting | where do I get the .deb again? | 22:15 |
| jpwhiting | nm, found it | 22:15 |
| jpwhiting | djszapi: I don't see any wait in flasher --help | 22:19 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: frankly, I do not see a simple page for building and shipping your patch in qt5: http://wiki.qt-project.org/Main_Page | 22:20 |
| djszapi | (accidentally removed my clone with all my changes :( ) | 22:20 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: just use it :) | 22:20 |
| jpwhiting | OWait-charging? | 22:20 |
| jpwhiting | flasher Owait-charging | 22:20 |
| jpwhiting | like that? | 22:20 |
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| ieatlint | djszapi: it's in qtbase... src/plugins/generic/evdevkeyboard | 22:21 |
| ieatlint | but it will never get automatically built | 22:21 |
| ieatlint | and note that you don't need or want it if you're using xcb/wayland | 22:22 |
| djszapi | I am not into that | 22:22 |
| djszapi | I would like to 1) Clone qtbase 2) I would like to make the contribution 3) I would like to build it 4) I would like to test 5) I would like to push against upstream | 22:22 |
| jpwhiting | djszapi: do I need an image to flash? | 22:22 |
| djszapi | some of them steps are undocuemnted. | 22:22 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: yes | 22:22 |
| jpwhiting | djszapi: which I need to wait for access to files.maemo.org for :/ | 22:23 |
| jpwhiting | maybe tomorrow | 22:23 |
| ieatlint | djszapi: http://developer.qt.nokia.com/wiki/Building_Qt_5_from_Git | 22:24 |
| ieatlint | it's not fully working instructions, but it's good reference | 22:24 |
| djszapi | it talks about gitorious | 22:24 |
| djszapi | which is a readonly mirror | 22:24 |
| ieatlint | yeah, that's what i always worked on... | 22:25 |
| ieatlint | but the instructions passed checking out the repo are what you need to build it, roughly | 22:25 |
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| ieatlint | ugh, i love talks that have a slide that say "Somehow, it worked without any recompilation" | 22:28 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | any idea where the initrd comes from on N9 | 22:43 |
| jreznik | ieatlint: these instructions are correct ones to build qt 5 - tried it today, finally without any issues :) | 22:46 |
| * djszapi still think qmake is disgusting | 22:48 | |
| rhkfin | does N900 video out cable work in N950? | 22:52 |
| rhkfin | it does. Thanks :) | 22:53 |
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| jreznik | yep, it does | 23:02 |
| djszapi | jreznik: it is crazy how unmodular qt5 is | 23:02 |
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| djszapi | I need to fetch the whole qt5 project including qt3d etc to experiment with the core, like what ? :D | 23:03 |
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| djszapi | qtbase is 421 MB here, and the qtcore, I am actually interested in, is 12 MB, funky =) (cannot clone separately) | 23:16 |
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| vta | hi, I've got a bit of a problem here. I tried to upgrade my N9, using the official app. It installed an update, 20.2011.40-4. Then the phone rebooted and the app showed another update, which it said would take 5 minutes. That one failed, and since then the phone says that there's a problem with my sim card. | 23:21 |
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| vta | I've succeeded at flashing 40-4 again from Linux, with MMC included, though on my first attempt I got an error flashing cmt-mcusw. On this try everything seems okay, but it still says there's a problem with my sim card, so I have no cell connection | 23:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hrm :/ | 23:24 |
| vta | dmesg has this: http://pastebin.com/zLDjZHmY which suggest something isn't working right | 23:25 |
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| vta | flasher output: http://pastebin.com/bsFDYRCP | 23:26 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | definitely sonds like your cmt (whatever that is) is hosed... | 23:31 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | uh | 23:40 |
| Sazpaimon_ | hey guys | 23:40 |
| Sazpaimon_ | im not sure why nobody tried this | 23:40 |
| Sazpaimon_ | but i took the libflashplayer.so from maemo, put it in .mozilla/plugins and it worked | 23:40 |
| Sazpaimon_ | just fyi | 23:40 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i had to resolve a few dependencies on hildon, but it worked | 23:41 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | oddly youtube crashes with it | 23:49 |
| Sazpaimon_ | but i was able to load a flash game fine | 23:50 |
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| beford | somebody was asking about it on TMO | 23:54 |
| Sazpaimon_ | link? | 23:55 |
| Sazpaimon_ | also does anyone have the leaked TI binary? | 23:55 |
| beford | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82309&highlight=flash | 23:57 |
| beford | Answer to question: No. | 23:58 |
| beford | pff :p | 23:58 |
| beford | I believe I had it somewhere, never installed on my n900 though, I dont like flash :P | 23:58 |
| Sazpaimon_ | well that's half right | 23:58 |
| beford | let me check | 23:59 |
| Sazpaimon_ | I cant get it to work on yourube | 23:59 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | *youtube | 23:59 |
| beford | youtube checks version and probably uses new features | 23:59 |
| Sazpaimon_ | but i tried VVVVVV, a flash game, and it loaded fine | 23:59 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i wasnt able to do anything without a keyboard | 23:59 |
| Sazpaimon_ | and the vkb doesnt seem to work on it | 23:59 |
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