| jonni | Sindriava: have you tried to run: /sbin/initctl restart xsession/icd2 | 00:00 |
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| Sindriava | i DONT HAVE the terminal | 00:01 |
| Sindriava | i am installing it right nom | 00:01 |
| Sindriava | *trying to | 00:01 |
| Sindriava | I bought the phone today | 00:02 |
| Sindriava | and it's already f'ed up | 00:02 |
| Sindriava | what does the command do? | 00:02 |
| Sindriava | name "com.ubuntu.Upstart" does not exist | 00:09 |
| Sindriava | i don't have carrier signal either now | 00:10 |
| Sindriava | now i do, very weak though | 00:10 |
| Sindriava | Seriously, what the hell x_x | 00:10 |
| Sindriava | jonni: Are you even in there? | 00:12 |
| Sindriava | ooof course. | 00:13 |
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| Sindriava | so, as my good friend dmesg pointed out | 00:19 |
| Sindriava | authentication timed out | 00:20 |
| Sindriava | with an unprotected public AP | 00:20 |
| Sindriava | and before that, there is a bunch of "firmware booted" messages, each followed by "wl1271: down" | 00:21 |
| Sindriava | Going for factory reset now | 00:21 |
| Sindriava | (zomfg) | 00:21 |
| Sindriava | restoring settings now | 00:22 |
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| Sindriava | I guess noone is there, though ._. | 00:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I guess you'll leave soon too, as fac reset is notorious to fac up your HARM device | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 'ok, now for a full reflash' is the only next sentence after 'doing factory reset' I ever heard | 00:36 |
| Sindriava | ...what? | 00:36 |
| Sindriava | It didn't change anything | 00:37 |
| Sindriava | still can't connect | 00:37 |
| beford | lol | 00:37 |
| beford | yea, I used that 'reset' | 00:37 |
| beford | and had to flash | 00:37 |
| Sindriava | I guess the vendor is just going to have to stuff it | 00:38 |
| Sindriava | I already returned a few phones because of minor mistakes | 00:38 |
| beford | it kinda broke it more, after reseting I was unable to install stuff from ovi, enable dev mode, etc | 00:38 |
| Sindriava | not working wifi is a HUGE mistake | 00:38 |
| Sindriava | seriously, the update just f'ed everything up | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | "not working wifi" is what sounds to me like the most common description for any random AP | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | actually working wifi is a little miracle each single time, no matter what the client and what the AP device | 00:41 |
| Sindriava | Well "the wifi only f'ed up on ONE device from the 7 able to connect" sounds like f'ed up phone ._. | 00:41 |
| Sindriava | Wifi worked on every single device i ever had | 00:41 |
| DrGrov | May I ask that what update are you discussing about? | 00:41 |
| Sindriava | except the nokia n9 | 00:41 |
| Sindriava | pr1.1 | 00:41 |
| Sindriava | i guess | 00:41 |
| Sindriava | i bought the phone and updated it | 00:42 |
| Sindriava | now i have 1.2 harmattan | 00:42 |
| Sindriava | pr1.1 | 00:42 |
| Sindriava | The update f'ed up wifi | 00:42 |
| Sindriava | (altough it worked for a short moment after the update) | 00:43 |
| Sindriava | now the auth. times out | 00:43 |
| Sindriava | and the touchscreen sensitivity seems to have went down | 00:43 |
| DrGrov | I have never experienced any WiFi issues on the N9. Got the same PR here | 00:43 |
| Sindriava | i am almost unable to use the double tap wake up | 00:43 |
| DrGrov | Never any issues with WiFi at all for the past 2 years with several phones in between. | 00:43 |
| Sindriava | ...and how is that relevant? | 00:44 |
| Sindriava | look, the problem is NOT the AP | 00:44 |
| Sindriava | i CANT change it | 00:44 |
| Sindriava | i CANT reset / reboot it | 00:44 |
| DrGrov | Well, no need to use caps lock for words now... | 00:44 |
| beford | i have connections problems too | 00:44 |
| Sindriava | everything else works | 00:44 |
| Sindriava | the problem is WITH the nokia | 00:45 |
| DrGrov | Well, unlucky for you guys then. | 00:45 |
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| Sindriava | Oh thank you ._. | 00:45 |
| DrGrov | Just thought that if WiFi issues occur then probably something else is wrong than the actual device | 00:45 |
| Sindriava | so how am i connected on the AP right now? | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Sindriava: I really fail to see how an AP is no problem just *because* you can't change it | 00:45 |
| Sindriava | because EVERYTHING else can connect to it? ._. | 00:46 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Hi there Doc. How are things? | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so what? | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hi DrGrov | 00:46 |
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| Sindriava | One device out of 20 can't connect to the AP | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | fine , it's weekend :) | 00:46 |
| Sindriava | -> the AP is the problem! | 00:46 |
| Sindriava | Oh right ._. | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yes | 00:46 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer51: Good good, that is fantastic to hear :) | 00:47 |
| Sindriava | not to mention the nokia connected to the AP BEFORE the update | 00:47 |
| DrGrov | AP is the issue | 00:47 |
| Sindriava | No, the phone is the issue | 00:47 |
| DrGrov | I have put all my phones through the same AP now for the past 2 years without any issues what so ever. | 00:47 |
| Sindriava | different phone -> no problem | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no, wifi is the issue | 00:47 |
| DrGrov | Ok, WiFi is the issue. | 00:47 |
| DrGrov | Yes Doc, you are right. Not AP | 00:48 |
| Sindriava | So, magically, the PR1.1 broke the router ._. | 00:48 |
| Sindriava | *sigh* | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and the crappy implementations in some APs | 00:48 |
| Sindriava | Even a perfectly fine device is utterly USELESS if it can't even connect to a wifi ._. | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Sindriava: you're starting to troll | 00:48 |
| Sindriava | Oh, right. | 00:49 |
| Sindriava | It's me. | 00:49 |
| Sindriava | I have 2 identical N9s here | 00:49 |
| Sindriava | one connects | 00:49 |
| Sindriava | one doesnt | 00:49 |
| Sindriava | and the problem is the router? | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | meh | 00:49 |
| Sindriava | oh come on. | 00:49 |
| Sindriava | That seems sooo reasonable | 00:50 |
| DrGrov | Buy a real router. That should solve the problem. | 00:50 |
| DrGrov | Not any cheap shit | 00:50 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer51: You got PM. | 00:50 |
| Sindriava | ok, buying new phone | 00:50 |
| Sindriava | not any cheap shit ;) | 00:50 |
| Sindriava | i want to connect to wifi | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Sindriava: my last AP started to reboot every ~15min after I switched my new wifi dongle to use wpa instead wep. So, the fault of the dongle, according to your logic? | 00:51 |
| Sindriava | not solve issues with other people routers | 00:51 |
| Sindriava | the router worked fine for about 2 years | 00:51 |
| Sindriava | there are 4 of them in the building | 00:51 |
| DrGrov | What router do you have ? | 00:51 |
| Sindriava | the phone can't connect to single one of them | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | btw you're not supposed to use other peoples routers | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | :-P | 00:51 |
| Sindriava | Yes you are | 00:52 |
| Sindriava | it's a public one | 00:52 |
| Sindriava | and my family owns the house | 00:52 |
| Sindriava | it can't event connect to my PC via wifi hotspot | 00:52 |
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| Sindriava | and the problem is NOT in the phone | 00:52 |
| Sindriava | yeah right | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | OMG | 00:52 |
| Sindriava | thanks for nothing | 00:52 |
| DrGrov | Sindriava: Thanks and goodbye. | 00:52 |
| DrGrov | Pleasant to have you around | 00:53 |
| DrGrov | Cheered up my Friday night immensly | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | indeed | 00:53 |
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| Sindriava | So have exactly do you suggest i solve the issue? | 00:53 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer51: YO! | 00:53 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer51: Great, thanks boss :) | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | YW | 00:53 |
| * DrGrov salutes DocScrutinizer51 | 00:53 | |
| Sindriava | Except touching the router? | 00:53 |
| DrGrov | Sindriava: Well, thank you and good bye. Enjoy your flight. | 00:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Sindriava: you expired your account of asking for advice | 00:54 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Why didn't you let me ban him? Why oh why? | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | go ahead | 00:54 |
| DrGrov | Well yes but how do I ban him? | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | /kickbam <nick> | 00:54 |
| DrGrov | Ah, but he left but still possible to ban without him being here? | 00:55 |
| beford | yes | 00:55 |
| beford | mode +b | 00:55 |
| DrGrov | So, /kickan (nick) | 00:55 |
| DrGrov | Ok, will do. Muhahahahaha | 00:55 |
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| DrGrov | Good, thanks. He must be a troll of some higher rank. | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | just the usual boring bitching sort | 00:56 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Ah, so he is plain human? | 00:56 |
| DrGrov | Why Doc? Why did you deop me? | 00:56 |
| DrGrov | Ah, of course. No trolls around anymore :) | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno, hard to make a machine that boring and stupid | 00:56 |
| ieatlint | i also need help stealing internet access | 00:56 |
| beford | hacker | 00:56 |
| ieatlint | and being in a harmattan channel obligates you to help me | 00:56 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Op back for me? We have a troll :) | 00:57 |
| ieatlint | :P | 00:57 |
| ieatlint | dude, don't tempt me, or i'll run and tell microsoft that nokia's being mean | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | rofl | 00:57 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: If I understand this right... I am your right hand man doing the actual removing of irritating people such as Sndjd or what his name is/was/whatever. And you enjoy the sweets of the banning? | 00:58 |
| DrGrov | LOL | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | go tel sicromoft that their wifi auth got hacked | 00:58 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Just thought I would ask. To make things clear. | 00:58 |
| DrGrov | ieatlint: You are a foul mouth boy. Wash your mouth with soap :D | 00:59 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: You got PM btw... Not sure if it is right but DocScrutinizer51 got the PM. Should I send it to DocScrutinizer instead? | 01:00 |
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| beford | I'm scared to ask about my wifi problems now | 01:04 |
| beford | xD | 01:04 |
| DrGrov | beford: Yes, probably wait until DocScrutinizer does not give me ops again. :) Nah, of course. Ask away :) | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | beford: wifi is no ban'able subject. Being a stupid silly troll is, though | 01:06 |
| beford | hehe, yea well I guess its the AP because I know its crap but if I get out of the room I get no connection on the n9, while works ok on other devs. according to what I read theres not much to be done though, besides changing the AP, right? | 01:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, do you say the sensitivity/range of the N9 is sub-par? | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd not be too surprised to hear that | 01:15 |
| beford | well just comparing it to the n900 seems to have more problem trying to connect, I'll have to get a decent AP though, this one is from my ISP and its not really good :) | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | it seems once again they messed up the whole auth stuff | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | at Nokia | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | again, anybody surprised about it? I mean, we got aegis encrypted accounts management | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | which basicaly should mean you can't read out the WLAN password on your own device, for an account you entered 5 min ago incl password | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | so expect a few unusual truebles you have to accept for this incredible security you get with HARM aegis | 01:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WOW infobot, my friend | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 01:21 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: :) | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~+uptime | 01:21 |
| infobot | - Uptime for purl - | 01:21 |
| infobot | Now: 1m 6s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux | 01:21 |
| infobot | 1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 2010 | 01:21 |
| infobot | 2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 2009 | 01:21 |
| infobot | 3: 36d 20h 47m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Aug 4 17:38:59 2009 | 01:21 |
| trx | haha cia.gov is dead | 01:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | today a friggin lot gone haywire in the internets | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | starting with freenode amd not ending with our company lan between Germany and Lund | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | som ehackers gone mad over acta or what ever it's called? | 01:25 |
| trx | yeah, acta | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | infobot been down too | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | not that she's usually not down for weeks lately | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | more like the opposite | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | up for 14h, then down for 3 days | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 01:27 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: thanks | 01:27 |
| trx | why is sHe down so often? | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc, partialy due to freenode madness I guess, partially due to Tim's DSL being crap | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe even partially to flaws in bot | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | that maybe get exploited recently | 01:30 |
| trx | bots :) | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway I noticed infobot is susceptable to netsplits, way more than in former times | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | might be related to new ircd-seven version used by freenode, or by some of the anti-XY-bots they sport there | 01:31 |
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| Aranel | do I really have to pay €1 to publish my free app on Ovi Store? | 02:32 |
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| beford | yes. it is just to avoid abusive behavior afaik | 02:46 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | why was sindriava banned? | 05:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | trollish? kinda sorta...ban-worthy? hell nah | 05:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and also, i think some wifi chips have interoperability problems with some wifi routers | 05:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | e.g. there's a cafe i visit sometimes with a hotspot, they swapped out the wifi router a ways back and my laptop's intel wifi card hates it now | 05:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i haven't actually zeroed in on the cause but it disassociates and reassociates in a loop | 05:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which sounds kinda like what was going on here | 05:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh, but it being different between two N9s...now that's getting weird, hrm | 05:52 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: agree, ban was a exaggerated. | 05:59 |
| djszapi | a bit* | 05:59 |
| djszapi | beford: he does not have to pay 1 EUR | 06:02 |
| djszapi | beford: you can write an email to Ovi to get it waived. | 06:02 |
| beford | good to know that | 06:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, the 1 euro thing is basically to keep out the riffraff and prevent people from making a zillion accounts | 06:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but the person who asked is gone now | 06:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 1 euro doesn't seem bad at all given that they then have to review your apps...what's terrible is the $100 signup fees for iphone and wp7 developer programs | 06:08 |
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| beford | 25 for android | 06:08 |
| djszapi | yes | 06:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | beford: right, but that isn't so much and like harmattan it's only for the store...for iphone and wp7 you have to pay up to even be able to run unapproved stuff | 06:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, jailbreaks notwithstandig | 06:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that sort of thing probably keeps a lot of potential devs from doing cool stuff | 06:10 |
| djszapi | I would not pay 25 EUR myself. | 06:10 |
| djszapi | especially because I do not feel like asking for money in case my applications. | 06:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well yeah but you're stubborn like that :p though otoh adding free apps to the store increases the value of the n9/android phones/etc. | 06:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so it does seem a little bit improper to charge devs in that case, even if there's review cost that needs to be recouped | 06:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | especially since the payee (the developer) doesn't want to be reviewed anyway | 06:14 |
| djszapi | nothing about stubborn trait..25 EUR better goes to my starving mummy in a third world country. | 06:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | :( touche | 06:15 |
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| djszapi | lol weird dream I had. I was fired by some Nokia manager because I disagreed with him at a meeting upon something he suggested. | 08:04 |
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| filmoc | my /var/log/syslog has froze in Jan 6 | 09:19 |
| filmoc | any idea how to reset it or have it to start loggung system events? | 09:20 |
| djszapi | disable developer mode and enable ? | 09:20 |
| djszapi | delete the file and reboot ? | 09:20 |
| djszapi | etc. | 09:20 |
| filmoc | I already did try the disable developer mode and enable | 09:21 |
| djszapi | well pleasealways let us know what you tried. | 09:21 |
| djszapi | otherwise we just waste our time | 09:21 |
| filmoc | ok will try remove it | 09:21 |
| djszapi | upstart should start it again during the bootup via the syslogd.conf job. | 09:22 |
| djszapi | so I believe, manual upstart job restart does not help either. | 09:22 |
| djszapi | did you change the permissions ? | 09:22 |
| djszapi | other logs work in /var/log ? | 09:22 |
| filmoc | the date where it froZe seems ro be the date I got it back from Nokia Care | 09:22 |
| filmoc | no, I notuced this recently and i havent touched it before | 09:23 |
| djszapi | ok, ask it a different way to be clear: | 09:23 |
| djszapi | please check the permissions. | 09:23 |
| djszapi | anybody could mess it up even the /var/log | 09:23 |
| djszapi | that is why I asked whether other logs work. | 09:24 |
| filmoc | aI did ld-la | 09:26 |
| filmoc | ls | 09:26 |
| filmoc | and all files have been touched in february | 09:27 |
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| filmoc | oh sorry wrong directory | 09:28 |
| filmoc | now I checked log dir using ls -la | 09:28 |
| filmoc | xorg logs are tge only ones that are touched in february | 09:29 |
| djszapiN9 | rzr, ping | 09:29 |
| djszapiN9 | filmoc remove rebott | 09:30 |
| filmoc | everything else are from dec and before jan 6 | 09:30 |
| djszapiN9 | reboot* | 09:30 |
| filmoc | all or only syslog? | 09:30 |
| filmoc | premissions are -rw-r--r-- for all | 09:32 |
| filmoc | reboot | 09:33 |
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| filmoc | removed syslog and rebooted, now no trace of syslog is the log dir | 09:37 |
| filmoc | should.the logging in developer mode be installed if want this? | 09:38 |
| filmoc | djszapi? | 09:45 |
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| djszapi | no, it should work oob | 10:06 |
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| filmoc | alright seems like something.is seriously wrong then | 10:08 |
| djszapi | is the syslog daemon running ? | 10:09 |
| filmoc | how to check it? | 10:09 |
| djszapi | /var/run/daemon on desktop | 10:09 |
| djszapi | not sure on the phone by off hand, but probably similar | 10:09 |
| filmoc | not found | 10:10 |
| djszapi | stop syslogd && start syslogd | 10:11 |
| filmoc | stop not found | 10:11 |
| djszapi | what ?? | 10:12 |
| djszapi | you might wanna reflash this system.. | 10:12 |
| filmoc | I used /sbin/stop syslogd | 10:12 |
| filmoc | instead | 10:12 |
| djszapi | you do not have ssh access ? | 10:12 |
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| djszapi | because hacking is a lot hard then. | 10:13 |
| filmoc | I don't think so | 10:13 |
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| filmoc | I enabled dev mode just because I wanted terminal | 10:13 |
| djszapi | anyway, stop/start and check | 10:13 |
| filmoc | so I only copied its desktop file and disable dev mode | 10:13 |
| filmoc | # /sbin/start syslogd | 10:14 |
| filmoc | still no syslog fule | 10:15 |
| filmoc | filr | 10:15 |
| filmoc | file | 10:15 |
| djszapi | generate syslog event | 10:15 |
| djszapi | /sbin/udevadm monitor & -> and then plug in a usb cable with computer | 10:16 |
| djszapi | if you see something on the console, you should syslog | 10:16 |
| djszapi | have& | 10:16 |
| djszapi | if the monitor realizes events, but no syslog, and your system deserve a decent reflashing | 10:18 |
| djszapi | then* | 10:18 |
| djszapi | deserves, meh | 10:18 |
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| filmoc | is it possible to backup apps and their settings | 10:21 |
| filmoc | or will I loose them also if I flash the device | 10:21 |
| filmoc | ? | 10:21 |
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| djszapi | filmoc: backup the whole folder you need, like /home/user or /home/user/MyDocs | 10:22 |
| djszapi | but since you need PC for reflashing, why not try to debug with the aforementioned command first ? | 10:23 |
| filmoc | I have flashed symbian phones before but this is my first maemo phone | 10:24 |
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| filmoc | so I have no idea what tools are available | 10:24 |
| djszapi | flasher | 10:25 |
| filmoc | if all apps,calendar, contacts can be backuped, then I will flash it | 10:25 |
| djszapi | I do not think apps can be backed up entirely. | 10:26 |
| filmoc | also having priblem with gps, which seems to never get location fix | 10:26 |
| djszapi | with simple work at least. | 10:27 |
| filmoc | Perhaps their save files, got quite far in some games :( | 10:27 |
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| djszapi | well they are installed into /opt/yourgame | 10:28 |
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| djszapi | so that is sort of easy to back up. | 10:28 |
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| djszapi | if the games come from Ovi. | 10:28 |
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| filmoc | jup all except samurai Ii | 10:29 |
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| filmoc | how long could this take? | 10:29 |
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| djszapi | I think it is better if you wait for some other replies, too...Perhaps, I missed something. | 10:30 |
| filmoc | ok | 10:31 |
| djszapi | though, reflashing and backup might take shorter than waiting for answer at weekends, especially morning after a Friday party :P | 10:31 |
| filmoc | lol yup, aldo the reason I adked how long would it take :) | 10:32 |
| filmoc | also | 10:32 |
| djszapi | flashing is simple | 10:33 |
| djszapi | backup thingy...I am unsure, depending on how simple to revert and backup things | 10:33 |
| filmoc | I m afraid that I might get used to it, like when I used symbian | 10:33 |
| filmoc | once a wrek | 10:33 |
| filmoc | week | 10:34 |
| filmoc | got lazy to find another way to fix the problem and always did the reflash | 10:34 |
| djszapi | n9 or n950 ? | 10:35 |
| filmoc | n9 | 10:35 |
| djszapi | ah okay, then I would not recommend the emmc-less flash | 10:35 |
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| filmoc | okay, | 10:37 |
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| filmoc | there is revert to factory setting on the phone | 10:38 |
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| filmoc | what does it exactly do if not same as reflashing | 10:38 |
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| djszapi | http://www.n9fanclub.com/2011/11/how-to-restore-factory-settings-and.html | 10:42 |
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| filmoc | thanks maybe I will try that prior to flashing | 10:46 |
| filmoc | must find a way to backup contacts and messages first though | 10:46 |
| djszapi | backup folder will stay with you if you makea backup for /home/user | 10:47 |
| filmoc | http://www.nokia.com/za-en/support/product/n9-00/userguide/?action=onlineuserguidepagechange&pFile=GUID-5D84AB30-934D-4EA4-8968-9C212B1D499C_FILE001.html | 10:48 |
| djszapi | yes, you need to use sync and backup for sure | 10:49 |
| djszapi | but I am not sure that covers everything | 10:49 |
| djszapi | probably not. | 10:49 |
| filmoc | according to the page, not all | 10:49 |
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| filmoc | well maybe tomorrow, it's too warm today to stay at home | 10:51 |
| filmoc | -6 c | 10:51 |
| djszapi | where do you live ? | 10:51 |
| filmoc | finland | 10:52 |
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| djszapi | Is it possible to fine tune the border settings, as in: top, bottom, left and right ? I would like to avoid using the border image, if possible. | 11:07 |
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| gabriel9 | where can i see list of available "imports" for qt quick, something like this, QtQuick, QtWebKit. I want to see their latest versions and features and what they contains | 11:32 |
| gabriel9 | are they modules? | 11:32 |
| gabriel9 | sorry for my ignorance | 11:32 |
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| djszapi | check out the mobility for instance | 11:34 |
| djszapi | qtwebkit is different from the qt framework anyway | 11:36 |
| djszapi | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qt4/qdeclarativeelements.html?tab=1 -> it is a good reference | 11:37 |
| gabriel9 | ok | 11:45 |
| gabriel9 | thanks | 11:45 |
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| gabriel9 | hm, bottom of the page is not rendered corectly | 12:31 |
| gabriel9 | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qtwebkit/qtwebkit-bridge.html?tab=3&q=QtWebKit&sp=all | 12:31 |
| gabriel9 | os it just on my comp | 12:31 |
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| djszapi | gabriel9: yeah, maybe some documentation syntax glitch. | 12:54 |
| gabriel9 | yes | 13:05 |
| gabriel9 | what are they using? | 13:05 |
| gabriel9 | for server side | 13:05 |
| gabriel9 | php | 13:05 |
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| rzr | djszapi: here i am | 13:57 |
| djszapi | rzr: could you please help with updating to KDE 4.8 (kdelibs) ? | 14:00 |
| djszapi | it would be very important | 14:00 |
| djszapi | perhaps, ubuntu/debian updated more to the last check you made. | 14:01 |
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| djszapi | rzr: we could have then plasma active components on Harmattan for experimenting. | 14:34 |
| djszapi | instead of having tablets all the time by hand. | 14:34 |
| djszapi | so it would definitely be an invaluable contribution from anybody. | 14:34 |
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| djszapi | X-Fade: do you plan to have support for PA in apps4meego ? | 14:41 |
| rzr | djszapi: this is going to be a long job isnt it ? | 15:03 |
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| djszapi | rzr: yes, it is long job, but we can divide it between us. It would give really cool opportunities to test PA components on Harmattan gadgets. | 15:18 |
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| djszapi | as you may already know, I dislike bringing a tablet with me to everywhere, if I do not even use | 15:18 |
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| secyritas | any way to simulate incoming phone call via dbus in harmattan >_< ? | 16:29 |
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| secyritas | running out of ideas, except buying a prepaid sim.. :P | 16:29 |
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| secyritas | pls.. in android you can write "gsm call number" to a console and that's enough | 16:42 |
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| Venemo_N950 | hey | 17:06 |
| djszapi | hey hey Venemo_N950 | 17:08 |
| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, this evening will be spent with irc chatter code refactoring | 17:09 |
| Venemo_N950 | maybe tomorrow morning too | 17:09 |
| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, I hope you're happy :) | 17:10 |
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| djszapi | I should hack on something too ... | 17:11 |
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| djszapi | and not just play instrument :P | 17:11 |
| Venemo_N950 | :) | 17:11 |
| Venemo_N950 | what instrument do you.play? | 17:12 |
| djszapi | right now mrdanga :P | 17:14 |
| Venemo_N950 | mhm | 17:14 |
| Venemo_N950 | :) | 17:15 |
| Venemo_N950 | anyway, ttyl | 17:15 |
| Venemo_N950 | bb | 17:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~coffee | 17:34 |
| infobot | [coffee] the reason the net exists, the drug of choice for a GNU generation, http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el, /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, geiseri's favorite beverage | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~coffee | 17:34 |
| infobot | i heard coffee is the reason the net exists, the drug of choice for a GNU generation, http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el, /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, geiseri's favorite beverage | 17:34 |
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| infobot | _MeeGoBot_: what are you talking about? | 17:34 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | beverage' in #harmattan. | 17:35 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | infobot: Sorry, I've no idea what 'you talking about' are. | 17:35 |
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| Jare | weird, sofia sip stack supports presence, but telepathy-sofiasip doesn't | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | isn't sofiasip already obsolete aka been enamed the Nth time to something yet different? | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | Renamed* | 20:39 |
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| Jare | umm, how so? I haven't heard it been renamed | 20:52 |
| Jare | I suppose Freeswitch would have already changed sofia sip stack to something else, if it was obsolete | 20:53 |
| tabasko | is it possible to change default twitter or fb client? | 20:57 |
| tabasko | qneptunea is much better than stock twitter client =) | 20:58 |
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| blueslee | need some help building a dev deb package | 21:21 |
| blueslee | so far i downloaded the source libxml2_2.7.8-0maemo5+0m6.tar.gz from SDK_Sources_PR1.1.ISO | 21:22 |
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| beford | blueslee, read about dpkg-build | 21:30 |
| blueslee | beford: i guess i have to use scratchbox, any chances to avoid it? | 21:32 |
| beford | not sure, maybe OSC ? | 21:32 |
| jonni | qt sdk' | 21:36 |
| blueslee | i got dpkg-buildpackage installed on the n9 | 21:36 |
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| jonni | N9 doesnt provide toolchain so you cannot compile in n9, your options are sb, qt sdk or obs | 21:37 |
| blueslee | i do not need to compile the package, i need "only" a dev deb package which matches the deb package | 21:38 |
| jonni | well tar -zxvf then | 21:38 |
| jonni | and you have a matching sources | 21:39 |
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| blueslee | jonni: just taring on / | 21:39 |
| blueslee | no, not on / | 21:40 |
| jonni | btw, what are you really tryihg to do? | 21:40 |
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| blueslee | jonni: libxml2 was preinstalled on the n9, i activated harmattan dev repo to install libxml2-dev, the latter unfortunately doe snot match the prior http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/libx/libxml2/libxml2-dev_2.7.8-0maemo4+0m6_i386.deb | 21:43 |
| jonni | yep, beta3 repo is only mean for N950 and it has 2 weeks older packages than N9 | 21:45 |
| jonni | but again Im wondering where you need -dev on the N9, since you dont need -dev packages in N9 since you cannot compile in it anyways | 21:45 |
| blueslee | jonni: who says that? | 21:46 |
| jonni | well lets says in this way that N9 official repoes doesnt provide buildtools | 21:46 |
| jonni | ofcourse you could compile gcc yourself | 21:46 |
| blueslee | jonni: okay, i am using those for n950 | 21:46 |
| blueslee | jonni: i made dd backups of the n9 and now i am struggling with cpan on the n9 as there are some package mismatches | 21:48 |
| jonni | but yes, you can just get the tar and run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot on sb and you get the -dev | 21:48 |
| blueslee | sb? | 21:48 |
| jonni | scratchbox | 21:48 |
| jonni | well and qt sdk most likely works too | 21:48 |
| blueslee | i will try to untar it first at the right place | 21:49 |
| blueslee | the sdk iso from doc contains "everything" for the n9, we need just a repo | 21:51 |
| jonni | public N9 repo does not have -dev pacakges | 21:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | blueslee: if you just want to do local stuff, just dpkg-buildpackage the sdk_sources packages you need inside scratchbox | 21:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and replace the -dev and binary packages in the scratchbox with the built ones | 21:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then build in scratchbox | 21:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | don't need to put anything else on the n9 itself | 21:53 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | also jonni: it's not really meant for n950 only...it's meant for scratchbox users | 21:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | n950 has almost the same packages and repos as the n9 | 21:55 |
| jonni | itsnotabigtruck: well In my eyes its only for N950, atleast in my scratchbox I use 2 weeks newer images for N9 :) | 21:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jonni: it's meant for pr1.0 i think | 21:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but really it's not meant for anything...it's a hodgepodge of packages nokia has uploaded there | 21:56 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | what's probably going on is that they're just neglecting to keep the public sdk repo in sync with anything | 21:56 |
| jonni | but then again I have different sb setups for beta3, pr1.0, pr1.1, pr1.1.1, pr1.2 and pr1.3, so I dont know much about the public repo since I havent used it much. Only have been using the public qt sdk which matches N9 Pr1.0 sources. | 21:58 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | jonni: ah...maybe you can ping somebody inside and get them to update the repo then? | 22:00 |
| jonni | And in the other hand as ovi store requires everything to work in pr1.0 then qt sdk with matching pr1.0 rootstrap is enough. | 22:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because the current state of the beta3 repo is really problematic | 22:00 |
| jonni | hmm I'll have to check what public sb uses as repo nowadays... | 22:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it ought to be at the very least in perfect sync with pr1.1 or pr1.2 or something | 22:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | right now it's a bunch of old packages no one is updating | 22:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | with some extra stuff (e.g. sdl) thrown in later | 22:02 |
| jonni | well it cant be in sync with pr1.1 or pr1.2 as those wont pass ovi store requirement. Because of ovi store the qt sdk still is haivng PR1.0 sources. | 22:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | except apparently they relaxed that requirement for free apps | 22:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for free apps pr1.1 minimum is ok -iff- that's mentioned in the description, from what i've read | 22:02 |
| blueslee | i will restore my backup later, too many things installed :-) | 22:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and besides, an out of date repo doesn't really help with that | 22:03 |
| jonni | itsnotabigtruck: afaik there has not been that kind of relaxment in policy. if you know some packages that only worj in pr1.1 let me know, and I'll try to get them off from ovi store. | 22:03 |
| jonni | as pr1.0 compatibility is a mandatory requirement in ovi store | 22:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jonni: "Note: You may be prompted during installation to download a large one-time update for your phone software." | 22:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm pretty sure they wouldn't have a special marking like that for pr1.1 apps if they weren't permissible | 22:07 |
| jonni | do you have any example application in mind? | 22:08 |
| blueslee | its getting harder, untaring is no solution ... next attempt: i ahve qt sdk installed | 22:10 |
| jonni | itsnotabigtruck: as that is normal note on apps that require qt framework libraries | 22:10 |
| blueslee | restoring everything for now ... | 22:12 |
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| DrGrov | Got a strange issue happening with the touch response on the N9. | 22:14 |
| DrGrov | It froze up and the only thing I could press is the power button to turn it off. | 22:14 |
| DrGrov | Due to this misfortunate little incident, I wonder the following: 1) Can I lose any information because of the powering off? 2) Is this issue common, touch screen stops responding? | 22:15 |
| jonni | blueslee: most likely -dev is only fake depency, so you can just dpkg --ignore-depends=libxml2-dev when you install the deb | 22:15 |
| jonni | DrGrov: you can only lose information if you happen to poweroff during a write operation, so most likely if you didnt do any "save/write to disk" action during the poweroff then your information is save. 2. Its quite uncommon, atleast if You havent installed any 3rd party tweaking apps. | 22:18 |
| DrGrov | jonni: No I have no 3rd party tweaking apps except lpsmagic which I presume is safe. It was just strange that the touchscreen froze up on me but still it powered off. That made me wonder... When it froze up on me I had the chance to check before it froze that there were no running apps in the background in the multitasking view. | 22:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jonni: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=5605 | 22:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that took forever to find... | 22:20 |
| DrGrov | jonni: But I think I have not lost anything since I did not have ex. contacts app open when it happened. I had the issue earlier with contacts app and misspelling contact names and that closed the contacts app but still everything was intact. | 22:21 |
| jonni | well lpsmagic is semi-safe, ofcourse it might screw up the low-power functionality a bit | 22:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | as for the message on ovi store i suppose that's unrelated | 22:21 |
| DrGrov | jonni: So perhaps an uninstallation of lpsmagic would be wise? This was the first time it froze on me. Have had lpsmagic 1.1 until a few days ago and now 1.3. Have had lpsmagic for about 2-3 weeks now. | 22:22 |
| jonni | I dont think that lpsmagic will screw the touch functionality, so I wouldnt uninstall it | 22:22 |
| blueslee | jonni: doesnt seem to work | 22:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it sounds doubtful that it was because of lpsmagic | 22:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if lpsmagic caused the ui to bomb out, that would be a bug in the nokia ui stuff | 22:23 |
| blueslee | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libxml2-dev: | 22:23 |
| blueslee | libxml2-dev depends on libxml2 (= 2.7.8-0maemo4+0m6); however: | 22:23 |
| blueslee | Version of libxml2 on system is 2.7.8-0maemo5+0m6. | 22:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but there's also nothing saying lpsmagic triggered that at all | 22:23 |
| jonni | blueslee: I was trying to say that dont install the dev, as you can skip that with ignore-depends | 22:24 |
| DrGrov | So apparently it was just a misfortunate accident that happened. Like a huge bomb but with less power :) | 22:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | blueslee: ffs, do the package build like i've explained twice before and all will be fine | 22:24 |
| DrGrov | Yo | 22:24 |
| DrGrov | Arguement going on :) Lovely | 22:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | of course that doesn't solve the root problem, which is no one bothering to keep the public dev repo in order! | 22:24 |
| DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: PM coming through | 22:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it will get you on you way so you can stop asking the same question over and over ^blueslee | 22:25 |
| jonni | itsnotabigtruck: thats fucked up, I have to raise some internal bug that only pr1.0 is allowed and no exceptions should be allowed.... :) | 22:25 |
| DrGrov | AFK for 2 minutes | 22:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jonni: erm, have you actually thought that through | 22:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's a policy that's ridiculous on the face of it | 22:26 |
| jonni | itsnotabigtruck: or actually if someone wants to use com.nokia.extras 1.1 they can do that but they should use 1.0 in pr1.0 devices. and dynamicly check it as runtime | 22:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the nokia developer blog recently stated some stats indicating that the vast vast vast majority of units right now are running pr1.1 | 22:26 |
| jonni | itsnotabigtruck: well some people still are on pr1.0 and if application doesnt work its a bug | 22:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it might have made sense when pr1.1 had just come out, but it's been 4 months or so now | 22:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no, it's not a bug, it's an application that doesn't work on pr1.0 | 22:27 |
| jonni | thats the backward compatibility policy | 22:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and if you leave a bunch of holes in the api in pr1.0 and close them in pr1.1, what do you expect people to do | 22:27 |
| jonni | it=if | 22:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it might be the policy but it's about time for a reevaluation | 22:27 |
| jonni | well its actually the ovi store that sucks, it should offer an option to defice pr release and only offer application to end users if pr requiremetns are filled. | 22:29 |
| jonni | but as ovi store sucks and there is no such option it just forces everything to work in pr1.0 | 22:29 |
| jonni | define even | 22:29 |
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| jonni | it would be nice to even put in debian depends field pr1.1 which would then install 200megs of pr1.1 when app is installed :) | 22:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or just put in a field that the ovi store client checks saying "blah blah you need to upgrade to version x first blah blah" | 22:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which is something that should have been in 5 months ago instead of coming up with backwards policies | 22:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | imagine if google decided that only android 1.0 compatible apps can be in the market | 22:32 |
| jonni | two bladed sword as it can also cause bad blood to force users to upgrade | 22:33 |
| jonni | but lets see what this year brings us, there might be some policy changes coming at some point. | 22:35 |
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| blueslee | okay, qt-sdk contains madde ... | 22:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | blueslee: do you have scratchbox installed | 22:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what os are you using | 22:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you don't have scratchbox yet, then if you're not using debian or ubuntu, first get a VM up and running | 22:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then install the "harmattan platform sdk" (scratchbox) | 22:37 |
| blueslee | itsnotabigtruck: no i have no scratchbox, but qt sdk ... i use opensuse | 22:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ok, then get your vm software of choice loaded up and put the latest ubuntu on there | 22:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it'll take a while but it's good to have scratchbox anyway | 22:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then you load up the sdk, and you also need the sdk_sources iso (i think you already got that?) | 22:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | grab the libxml2 source package and get it into your scratchbox home dir (/scratchbox/users/username/home/username) | 22:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that would be the dsc file and the tar.gz file | 22:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then you dpkg -x foo.dsc, cd into the directory it creates, and dpkg-buildpackage -b -rfakeroot | 22:39 |
| blueslee | itsnotabigtruck: sb under suse was no problem ... running sb in parallel to the qt creator is a little bit much, but i guess i may need it for different kind of things | 22:39 |
| DrGrov | jonni: So, what do you think about the possibility that I did not have anything running in the background? Is that a good sign for the whole touchscreen leading to loss of information thing? | 22:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you also might need to do fakeroot apt-get build-dep libxml2 first | 22:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then once it's done there's a bunch of .debs in the directory where you put the .dsc | 22:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | install libxml2-dev and libxml2 | 22:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | actually you probably need to copy them out and install them through madde | 22:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, you get the gist of it | 22:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | alternatively you could get someone else who already has a scratchbox to do a build for you but if you haven't noticed i'm not in a terribly good mood right now, heh | 22:41 |
| blueslee | hehe | 22:41 |
| blueslee | :-) | 22:41 |
| blueslee | normally the things go this way: idea -> problem 1 -> problem 2 -> ... its like a vicious circle:-) | 22:43 |
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| blueslee | itsnotabigtruck: anyway, thanks for you help and your hints | 22:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | blueslee: sorry if that was a lot all at once... | 22:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that should set you in the right direction though | 22:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and re the distro, i think they don't recommend putting scratchbox on non-debian-based oses for some reason | 22:45 |
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| blueslee | no, it was not, i copied everything to a file ... but your discussion with jonni makes be a little bit nervous, development on the n9 is not the way to go, i guess i would run into serious dependency and package problems in future | 22:47 |
| blueslee | i mean on board compiling with repos for scratchbox/n950 etc | 22:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | blueslee: serious...problems...not really | 22:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | wait, you mean compiling on the N9 itself? | 22:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | scratchbox is definitely preferable to that | 22:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nokia doesn't have the public repo in order but it's not a game breaker | 22:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it just means you have to do more work than you would if everything was done properly | 22:50 |
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| DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: What is your standpoint on my touchscreen freezing issue? Could it cause loss of information/data? I must say I did not have any apps running in the background when I powered down. | 23:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | haha, i might be joking around that certain famous persons are stupid and laugh about them, but after i watched steven and steve interview - how the fuck did they get to the places they are? | 23:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: well, are you shutting it down 'normally' | 23:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if so there's no data loss issue...but ofc it still shouldn't do that | 23:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | really you need to find the cause | 23:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | i didn't like Jobs, but he had personality and people could follow him | 23:04 |
| DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: It was just a freeze up of the touchscreen. So apparently not a big deal. | 23:05 |
| DrGrov | I actually have only had this happening once now so I am confident about it not happening too often :D | 23:05 |
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| ZogG_laptop | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=39330 -hmmm | 23:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | bootloader and maybe double boot from e-eyes ? =) | 23:51 |
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