IRC log of #harmattan for Saturday, 2012-02-11

jonniSindriava: have you tried to run: /sbin/initctl restart xsession/icd200:00
Sindriavai DONT HAVE the terminal00:01
Sindriavai am installing it right nom00:01
Sindriava*trying to00:01
SindriavaI bought the phone today00:02
Sindriavaand it's already f'ed up00:02
Sindriavawhat does the command do?00:02
Sindriavaname "com.ubuntu.Upstart" does not exist00:09
Sindriavai don't have carrier signal either now00:10
Sindriavanow i do, very weak though00:10
SindriavaSeriously, what the hell x_x00:10
Sindriavajonni: Are you even in there?00:12
Sindriavaooof course.00:13
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Sindriavaso, as my good friend dmesg pointed out00:19
Sindriavaauthentication timed out00:20
Sindriavawith an unprotected public AP00:20
Sindriavaand before that, there is a bunch of "firmware booted" messages, each followed by "wl1271: down"00:21
SindriavaGoing for factory reset now00:21
Sindriavarestoring settings now00:22
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SindriavaI guess noone is there, though ._.00:29
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DocScrutinizer51I guess you'll leave soon too, as fac reset is notorious to fac up your HARM device00:35
DocScrutinizer51'ok, now for a full reflash' is the only next sentence after 'doing factory reset' I ever heard00:36
SindriavaIt didn't change anything00:37
Sindriavastill can't connect00:37
befordyea, I used that 'reset'00:37
befordand had to flash00:37
SindriavaI guess the vendor is just going to have to stuff it00:38
SindriavaI already returned a few phones because of minor mistakes00:38
befordit kinda broke it more, after reseting I was unable to install stuff from ovi, enable dev mode, etc00:38
Sindriavanot working wifi is a HUGE mistake00:38
Sindriavaseriously, the update just f'ed everything up00:39
DocScrutinizer51"not working wifi" is what sounds to me like the most common description for any random AP00:39
DocScrutinizer51actually working wifi is a little miracle each single time, no matter what the client and what the AP device00:41
SindriavaWell "the wifi only f'ed up on ONE device from the 7 able to connect" sounds like f'ed up phone ._.00:41
SindriavaWifi worked on every single device i ever had00:41
DrGrovMay I ask that what update are you discussing about?00:41
Sindriavaexcept the nokia n900:41
Sindriavai guess00:41
Sindriavai bought the phone and updated it00:42
Sindriavanow i have 1.2 harmattan00:42
SindriavaThe update f'ed up wifi00:42
Sindriava(altough it worked for a short moment after the update)00:43
Sindriavanow the auth. times out00:43
Sindriavaand the touchscreen sensitivity seems to have went down00:43
DrGrovI have never experienced any WiFi issues on the N9. Got the same PR here00:43
Sindriavai am almost unable to use the double tap wake up00:43
DrGrovNever any issues with WiFi at all for the past 2 years with several phones in between.00:43
Sindriava...and how is that relevant?00:44
Sindriavalook, the problem is NOT the AP00:44
Sindriavai CANT change it00:44
Sindriavai CANT reset / reboot it00:44
DrGrovWell, no need to use caps lock for words now...00:44
befordi have connections problems too00:44
Sindriavaeverything else works00:44
Sindriavathe problem is WITH the nokia00:45
DrGrovWell, unlucky for you guys then.00:45
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SindriavaOh thank you ._.00:45
DrGrovJust thought that if WiFi issues occur then probably something else is wrong than the actual device00:45
Sindriavaso how am i connected on the AP right now?00:45
DocScrutinizer51Sindriava: I really fail to see how an AP is no problem just *because* you can't change it00:45
Sindriavabecause EVERYTHING else can connect to it? ._.00:46
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Hi there Doc. How are things?00:46
DocScrutinizer51so what?00:46
DocScrutinizer51hi DrGrov00:46
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SindriavaOne device out of 20 can't connect to the AP00:46
DocScrutinizer51fine , it's weekend :)00:46
Sindriava-> the AP is the problem!00:46
SindriavaOh right ._.00:46
DrGrovDocScrutinizer51: Good good, that is fantastic to hear :)00:47
Sindriavanot to mention the nokia connected to the AP BEFORE the update00:47
DrGrovAP is the issue00:47
SindriavaNo, the phone is the issue00:47
DrGrovI have put all my phones through the same AP now for the past 2 years without any issues what so ever.00:47
Sindriavadifferent phone -> no problem00:47
DocScrutinizer51no, wifi is the issue00:47
DrGrovOk, WiFi is the issue.00:47
DrGrovYes Doc, you are right. Not AP00:48
SindriavaSo, magically, the PR1.1 broke the router ._.00:48
DocScrutinizer51and the crappy implementations in some APs00:48
SindriavaEven a perfectly fine device is utterly USELESS if it can't even connect to a wifi ._.00:48
DocScrutinizer51Sindriava: you're starting to troll00:48
SindriavaOh, right.00:49
SindriavaIt's me.00:49
SindriavaI have 2 identical N9s here00:49
Sindriavaone connects00:49
Sindriavaone doesnt00:49
Sindriavaand the problem is the router?00:49
Sindriavaoh come on.00:49
SindriavaThat seems sooo reasonable00:50
DrGrovBuy a real router. That should solve the problem.00:50
DrGrovNot any cheap shit00:50
DrGrovDocScrutinizer51: You got PM.00:50
Sindriavaok, buying new phone00:50
Sindriavanot any cheap shit ;)00:50
Sindriavai want to connect to wifi00:50
DocScrutinizer51Sindriava: my last AP started to reboot every ~15min after I switched my new wifi dongle to use wpa instead wep. So, the fault of the dongle, according to your logic?00:51
Sindriavanot solve issues with other people routers00:51
Sindriavathe router worked fine for about 2 years00:51
Sindriavathere are 4 of them in the building00:51
DrGrovWhat router do you have ?00:51
Sindriavathe phone can't connect to single one of them00:51
DocScrutinizer51btw you're not supposed to use other peoples routers00:51
SindriavaYes you are00:52
Sindriavait's a public one00:52
Sindriavaand my family owns the house00:52
Sindriavait can't event connect to my PC via wifi hotspot00:52
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Sindriavaand the problem is NOT in the phone00:52
Sindriavayeah right00:52
Sindriavathanks for nothing00:52
DrGrovSindriava: Thanks and goodbye.00:52
DrGrovPleasant to have you around00:53
DrGrovCheered up my Friday night immensly00:53
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SindriavaSo have exactly do you suggest i solve the issue?00:53
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer51: YO!00:53
DrGrovDocScrutinizer51: Great, thanks boss :)00:53
* DrGrov salutes DocScrutinizer51 00:53
SindriavaExcept touching the router?00:53
DrGrovSindriava: Well, thank you and good bye. Enjoy your flight.00:53
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DocScrutinizerSindriava: you expired your account of asking for advice00:54
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Why didn't you let me ban him? Why oh why?00:54
DocScrutinizergo ahead00:54
DrGrovWell yes but how do I ban him?00:54
DocScrutinizer/kickbam <nick>00:54
DrGrovAh, but he left but still possible to ban without him being here?00:55
befordmode +b00:55
DrGrovSo, /kickan (nick)00:55
DrGrovOk, will do. Muhahahahaha00:55
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DrGrovGood, thanks. He must be a troll of some higher rank.00:55
DocScrutinizerjust the usual boring bitching sort00:56
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Ah, so he is plain human?00:56
DrGrovWhy Doc? Why did you deop me?00:56
DrGrovAh, of course. No trolls around anymore :)00:56
DocScrutinizerdunno, hard to make a machine that boring and stupid00:56
ieatlinti also need help stealing internet access00:56
ieatlintand being in a harmattan channel obligates you to help me00:56
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Op back for me? We have a troll :)00:57
ieatlintdude, don't tempt me, or i'll run and tell microsoft that nokia's being mean00:57
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: If I understand this right... I am your right hand man doing the actual removing of irritating people such as Sndjd or what his name is/was/whatever. And you enjoy the sweets of the banning?00:58
DocScrutinizergo tel sicromoft that their wifi auth got hacked00:58
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Just thought I would ask. To make things clear.00:58
DrGrovieatlint: You are a foul mouth boy. Wash your mouth with soap :D00:59
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: You got PM btw... Not sure if it is right but DocScrutinizer51 got the PM. Should I send it to DocScrutinizer instead?01:00
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befordI'm scared to ask about my wifi problems now01:04
DrGrovbeford: Yes, probably wait until DocScrutinizer does not give me ops again. :) Nah, of course. Ask away :)01:05
DocScrutinizerbeford: wifi is no ban'able subject. Being a stupid silly troll is, though01:06
befordhehe, yea well I guess its the AP because I know its crap but if I get out of the room I get no connection on the n9, while works ok on other devs. according to what I read theres not much to be done though, besides changing the AP, right?01:07
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DocScrutinizerwell, do you say the sensitivity/range of the N9 is sub-par?01:14
DocScrutinizerI'd not be too surprised to hear that01:15
befordwell just comparing it to the n900 seems to have more problem trying to connect, I'll have to get a decent AP though, this one is from my ISP and its not really good :)01:17
DocScrutinizerit seems once again they messed up the whole auth stuff01:18
DocScrutinizerat Nokia01:19
DocScrutinizeragain, anybody surprised about it? I mean, we got aegis encrypted accounts management01:19
DocScrutinizerwhich basicaly should mean you can't read out the WLAN password on your own device, for an account you entered 5 min ago incl password01:20
DocScrutinizerso expect a few unusual truebles you have to accept for this incredible security you get with HARM aegis01:21
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DocScrutinizerWOW infobot, my friend01:21
infobotDocScrutinizer: :)01:21
infobot- Uptime for purl -01:21
infobotNow: 1m 6s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux01:21
infobot1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 201001:21
infobot2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 200901:21
infobot3: 36d 20h 47m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Aug  4 17:38:59 200901:21
trxhaha is dead01:23
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DocScrutinizertoday a friggin lot gone haywire in the internets01:24
DocScrutinizerstarting with freenode amd not ending with our company lan between Germany and Lund01:24
DocScrutinizersom ehackers gone mad over acta or what ever it's called?01:25
trxyeah, acta01:25
DocScrutinizerinfobot been down too01:26
DocScrutinizernot that she's usually not down for weeks lately01:26
DocScrutinizermore like the opposite01:27
DocScrutinizerup for 14h, then down for 3 days01:27
infobotDocScrutinizer: thanks01:27
trxwhy is sHe down so often?01:28
DocScrutinizernfc, partialy due to freenode madness I guess, partially due to Tim's DSL being crap01:28
DocScrutinizermaybe even partially to flaws in bot01:29
DocScrutinizerthat maybe get exploited recently01:30
trxbots :)01:30
DocScrutinizeranyway I noticed infobot is susceptable to netsplits, way more than in former times01:30
DocScrutinizermight be related to new ircd-seven version used by freenode, or by some of the anti-XY-bots they sport there01:31
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Araneldo I really have to pay €1 to publish my free app on Ovi Store?02:32
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befordyes. it is just to avoid abusive behavior afaik02:46
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itsnotabigtruckwhy was sindriava banned?05:50
itsnotabigtrucktrollish? kinda sorta...ban-worthy? hell nah05:51
itsnotabigtruckand also, i think some wifi chips have interoperability problems with some wifi routers05:51
itsnotabigtrucke.g. there's a cafe i visit sometimes with a hotspot, they swapped out the wifi router a ways back and my laptop's intel wifi card hates it now05:51
itsnotabigtrucki haven't actually zeroed in on the cause but it disassociates and reassociates in a loop05:52
itsnotabigtruckwhich sounds kinda like what was going on here05:52
itsnotabigtruckoh, but it being different between two that's getting weird, hrm05:52
djszapiitsnotabigtruck: agree, ban was a exaggerated.05:59
djszapia bit*05:59
djszapibeford: he does not have to pay 1 EUR06:02
djszapibeford: you can write an email to Ovi to get it waived.06:02
befordgood to know that06:03
itsnotabigtruckyeah, the 1 euro thing is basically to keep out the riffraff and prevent people from making a zillion accounts06:07
itsnotabigtruckbut the person who asked is gone now06:07
itsnotabigtruck1 euro doesn't seem bad at all given that they then have to review your apps...what's terrible is the $100 signup fees for iphone and wp7 developer programs06:08
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beford25 for android06:08
itsnotabigtruckbeford: right, but that isn't so much and like harmattan it's only for the store...for iphone and wp7 you have to pay up to even be able to run unapproved stuff06:09
itsnotabigtruckwell, jailbreaks notwithstandig06:09
itsnotabigtruckthat sort of thing probably keeps a lot of potential devs from doing cool stuff06:10
djszapiI would not pay 25 EUR myself.06:10
djszapiespecially because I do not feel like asking for money in case my applications.06:12
itsnotabigtruckwell yeah but you're stubborn like that :p though otoh adding free apps to the store increases the value of the n9/android phones/etc.06:13
itsnotabigtruckso it does seem a little bit improper to charge devs in that case, even if there's review cost that needs to be recouped06:13
itsnotabigtruckespecially since the payee (the developer) doesn't want to be reviewed anyway06:14
djszapinothing about stubborn trait..25 EUR better goes to my starving mummy in a third world country.06:15
itsnotabigtruck:( touche06:15
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djszapilol weird dream I had. I was fired by some Nokia manager because I disagreed with him at a meeting upon something he suggested.08:04
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filmocmy /var/log/syslog has froze in Jan 609:19
filmocany idea how to reset it or have it to start loggung system events?09:20
djszapidisable developer mode and enable ?09:20
djszapidelete the file and reboot ?09:20
filmocI already did try the disable developer mode and enable09:21
djszapiwell pleasealways let us know what you tried.09:21
djszapiotherwise we just waste our time09:21
filmocok will try remove it09:21
djszapiupstart should start it again during the bootup via the syslogd.conf job.09:22
djszapiso I believe, manual upstart job restart does not help either.09:22
djszapidid you change the permissions ?09:22
djszapiother logs work in /var/log ?09:22
filmocthe date where it froZe seems ro be the date I got it back from Nokia Care09:22
filmocno, I notuced this recently and i havent touched it before09:23
djszapiok, ask it a different way to be clear:09:23
djszapiplease check the permissions.09:23
djszapianybody could mess it up even the /var/log09:23
djszapithat is why I asked whether other logs work.09:24
filmocaI did ld-la09:26
filmocand all files have been touched in february09:27
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filmocoh sorry wrong directory09:28
filmocnow I checked log dir using ls -la09:28
filmocxorg logs are tge only ones that are touched in february09:29
djszapiN9rzr, ping09:29
djszapiN9filmoc remove rebott09:30
filmoceverything else are from dec and before jan 609:30
filmocall or only syslog?09:30
filmocpremissions are -rw-r--r-- for all09:32
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filmocremoved syslog and rebooted, now no trace of syslog is the log dir09:37
filmocshould.the logging in developer mode be installed if want this?09:38
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djszapino, it should work oob10:06
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filmocalright seems like seriously wrong then10:08
djszapiis the syslog daemon running ?10:09
filmochow to check it?10:09
djszapi/var/run/daemon on desktop10:09
djszapinot sure on the phone by off hand, but probably similar10:09
filmocnot found10:10
djszapistop syslogd && start syslogd10:11
filmocstop not found10:11
djszapiwhat ??10:12
djszapiyou might wanna reflash this system..10:12
filmocI used /sbin/stop syslogd10:12
djszapiyou do not have ssh access ?10:12
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djszapibecause hacking is a lot hard then.10:13
filmocI don't think so10:13
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filmocI enabled dev mode just because I wanted terminal10:13
djszapianyway, stop/start and check10:13
filmocso I only copied its desktop file and disable dev mode10:13
filmoc # /sbin/start syslogd10:14
filmocstill no syslog fule10:15
djszapigenerate syslog event10:15
djszapi/sbin/udevadm monitor & -> and then plug in a usb cable with computer10:16
djszapiif you see something on the console, you should syslog10:16
djszapiif the monitor realizes events, but no syslog, and your system deserve a decent reflashing10:18
djszapideserves, meh10:18
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filmocis it possible to backup apps and their settings10:21
filmocor will I loose them also if I flash the device10:21
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djszapifilmoc: backup the whole folder you need, like /home/user or /home/user/MyDocs10:22
djszapibut since you need PC for reflashing, why not try to debug with the aforementioned command first ?10:23
filmocI have flashed symbian phones before but this is my first maemo phone10:24
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filmocso I have no idea what tools are available10:24
filmocif all apps,calendar, contacts can be backuped, then I will flash it10:25
djszapiI do not think apps can be backed up entirely.10:26
filmocalso having priblem with gps, which seems to never get location fix10:26
djszapiwith simple work at least.10:27
filmocPerhaps their save files, got quite far in some games :(10:27
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djszapiwell they are installed into /opt/yourgame10:28
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djszapiso that is sort of easy to back up.10:28
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djszapiif the games come from Ovi.10:28
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filmocjup all except samurai Ii10:29
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filmochow long could this take?10:29
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djszapiI think it is better if you wait for some other replies, too...Perhaps, I missed something.10:30
djszapithough, reflashing and backup might take shorter than waiting for answer at weekends, especially morning after a Friday party :P10:31
filmoclol yup, aldo the reason I adked how long would it take :)10:32
djszapiflashing is simple10:33
djszapibackup thingy...I am unsure, depending on how simple to revert and backup things10:33
filmocI m afraid that I might get used to it, like when I used symbian10:33
filmoconce a wrek10:33
filmocgot lazy to find another way to fix the problem and always did the reflash10:34
djszapin9 or n950 ?10:35
djszapiah okay, then I would not recommend the emmc-less flash10:35
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filmocthere is revert to factory setting on the phone10:38
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filmocwhat does it exactly do if not same as reflashing10:38
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filmocthanks maybe I will try that prior to flashing10:46
filmocmust find a way to backup contacts and messages first though10:46
djszapibackup folder will stay with you if you makea backup for /home/user10:47
djszapiyes, you need to use sync and backup for sure10:49
djszapibut I am not sure that covers everything10:49
djszapiprobably not.10:49
filmocaccording to the page, not all10:49
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filmocwell maybe tomorrow, it's too warm today to stay at home10:51
filmoc-6 c10:51
djszapiwhere do you live ?10:51
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djszapiIs it possible to fine tune the border settings, as in: top, bottom, left and right ? I would like to avoid using the border image, if possible.11:07
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gabriel9where can i see list of available "imports" for qt quick, something like this, QtQuick, QtWebKit. I want to see their latest versions and features and what they contains11:32
gabriel9are they modules?11:32
gabriel9sorry for my ignorance11:32
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djszapicheck out the mobility for instance11:34
djszapiqtwebkit is different from the qt framework anyway11:36
djszapi -> it is a good reference11:37
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gabriel9hm, bottom of the page is not rendered corectly12:31
gabriel9os it just on my comp12:31
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djszapigabriel9: yeah, maybe some documentation syntax glitch.12:54
gabriel9what are they using?13:05
gabriel9for server side13:05
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rzrdjszapi: here i am13:57
djszapirzr: could you please help with updating to KDE 4.8 (kdelibs) ?14:00
djszapiit would be very important14:00
djszapiperhaps, ubuntu/debian updated more to the last check you made.14:01
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djszapirzr: we could have then plasma active components on Harmattan for experimenting.14:34
djszapiinstead of having tablets all the time by hand.14:34
djszapiso it would definitely be an invaluable contribution from anybody.14:34
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djszapiX-Fade: do you plan to have support for PA in apps4meego ?14:41
rzrdjszapi: this is going to be a long job isnt it ?15:03
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djszapirzr: yes, it is long job, but we can divide it between us. It would give really cool opportunities to test PA components on Harmattan gadgets.15:18
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djszapias you may already know, I dislike bringing a tablet with me to everywhere, if I do not even use15:18
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secyritasany way to simulate incoming phone call via dbus in harmattan >_< ?16:29
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secyritasrunning out of ideas, except buying a prepaid sim.. :P16:29
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secyritaspls.. in android you can write "gsm call number" to a console and that's enough16:42
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djszapihey hey Venemo_N95017:08
Venemo_N950djszapi, this evening will be spent with irc chatter code refactoring17:09
Venemo_N950maybe tomorrow morning too17:09
Venemo_N950djszapi, I hope you're happy :)17:10
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djszapiI should hack on something too ...17:11
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djszapiand not just play instrument :P17:11
Venemo_N950what instrument do
djszapiright now mrdanga :P17:14
Venemo_N950anyway, ttyl17:15
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Jareweird, sofia sip stack supports presence, but telepathy-sofiasip doesn't20:38
DocScrutinizerisn't sofiasip already obsolete aka been enamed the Nth time to something yet different?20:39
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Jareumm, how so? I haven't heard it been renamed20:52
JareI suppose Freeswitch would have already changed sofia sip stack to something else, if it was obsolete20:53
tabaskois it possible to change default twitter or fb client?20:57
tabaskoqneptunea is much better than stock twitter client =)20:58
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bluesleeneed some help building a dev deb package21:21
bluesleeso far i downloaded the source libxml2_2.7.8-0maemo5+0m6.tar.gz from SDK_Sources_PR1.1.ISO21:22
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befordblueslee, read about dpkg-build21:30
bluesleebeford: i guess i have to use scratchbox, any chances to avoid it?21:32
befordnot sure, maybe OSC ?21:32
jonniqt sdk'21:36
bluesleei got dpkg-buildpackage installed on the n921:36
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jonniN9 doesnt provide toolchain so you cannot compile in n9, your options are sb, qt sdk or obs21:37
bluesleei do not need to compile the package, i need "only" a dev deb package which matches the deb package21:38
jonniwell tar -zxvf then21:38
jonniand you have a matching sources21:39
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bluesleejonni: just taring on /21:39
bluesleeno, not on /21:40
jonnibtw, what are you really tryihg to do?21:40
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bluesleejonni: libxml2 was preinstalled on the n9, i activated harmattan dev repo to install libxml2-dev, the latter unfortunately doe snot match the prior
jonniyep, beta3 repo is only mean for N950 and it has 2 weeks older packages than N921:45
jonnibut again Im wondering where you need -dev on the N9, since you dont need -dev packages in N9 since you cannot compile in it anyways21:45
bluesleejonni: who says that?21:46
jonniwell lets says in this way that N9 official repoes doesnt provide buildtools21:46
jonniofcourse you could compile gcc yourself21:46
bluesleejonni: okay, i am using those for n95021:46
bluesleejonni: i made dd backups of the n9 and now i am struggling with cpan on the n9 as there are some package mismatches21:48
jonnibut yes, you can just get the tar and run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot on sb and you get the -dev21:48
jonniwell and qt sdk most likely works too21:48
bluesleei will try to untar it first at the right place21:49
bluesleethe sdk iso from doc contains "everything" for the n9, we need just a repo21:51
jonnipublic N9 repo does not have -dev pacakges21:52
itsnotabigtruckblueslee: if you just want to do local stuff, just dpkg-buildpackage the sdk_sources packages you need inside scratchbox21:53
itsnotabigtruckand replace the -dev and binary packages in the scratchbox with the built ones21:53
itsnotabigtruckthen build in scratchbox21:53
itsnotabigtruckdon't need to put anything else on the n9 itself21:53
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itsnotabigtruckalso jonni: it's not really meant for n950's meant for scratchbox users21:54
itsnotabigtruckn950 has almost the same packages and repos as the n921:55
jonniitsnotabigtruck: well In my eyes its only for N950, atleast in my scratchbox I use 2 weeks newer images for N9 :)21:55
itsnotabigtruckjonni: it's meant for pr1.0 i think21:55
itsnotabigtruckbut really it's not meant for's a hodgepodge of packages nokia has uploaded there21:56
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itsnotabigtruckwhat's probably going on is that they're just neglecting to keep the public sdk repo in sync with anything21:56
jonnibut then again I have different sb setups for beta3, pr1.0, pr1.1, pr1.1.1, pr1.2 and pr1.3, so I dont know much about the public repo since I havent used it much. Only have been using the public qt sdk which matches N9 Pr1.0 sources.21:58
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itsnotabigtruckjonni: ah...maybe you can ping somebody inside and get them to update the repo then?22:00
jonniAnd in the other hand as ovi store requires everything to work in pr1.0 then qt sdk with matching pr1.0 rootstrap is enough.22:00
itsnotabigtruckbecause the current state of the beta3 repo is really problematic22:00
jonnihmm I'll have to check what public sb uses as repo nowadays...22:01
itsnotabigtruckit ought to be at the very least in perfect sync with pr1.1 or pr1.2 or something22:01
itsnotabigtruckright now it's a bunch of old packages no one is updating22:01
itsnotabigtruckwith some extra stuff (e.g. sdl) thrown in later22:02
jonniwell it cant be in sync with pr1.1 or pr1.2 as those wont pass ovi store requirement. Because of ovi store the qt sdk still is haivng PR1.0 sources.22:02
itsnotabigtruckexcept apparently they relaxed that requirement for free apps22:02
itsnotabigtruckfor free apps pr1.1 minimum is ok -iff- that's mentioned in the description, from what i've read22:02
bluesleei will restore my backup later, too many things installed :-)22:02
itsnotabigtruckand besides, an out of date repo doesn't really help with that22:03
jonniitsnotabigtruck: afaik there has not been that kind of relaxment in policy. if you know some packages that only worj in pr1.1 let me know, and I'll try to get them off from ovi store.22:03
jonnias pr1.0 compatibility is a mandatory requirement in ovi store22:04
itsnotabigtruckjonni: "Note: You may be prompted during installation to download a large one-time update for your phone software."22:07
itsnotabigtrucki'm pretty sure they wouldn't have a special marking like that for pr1.1 apps if they weren't permissible22:07
jonnido you have any example application in mind?22:08
bluesleeits getting harder, untaring is no solution ... next attempt: i ahve qt sdk installed22:10
jonniitsnotabigtruck: as that is normal note on apps that require qt framework libraries22:10
bluesleerestoring everything for now ...22:12
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DrGrovGot a strange issue happening with the touch response on the N9.22:14
DrGrovIt froze up and the only thing I could press is the power button to turn it off.22:14
DrGrovDue to this misfortunate little incident, I wonder the following: 1) Can I lose any information because of the powering off? 2) Is this issue common, touch screen stops responding?22:15
jonniblueslee: most likely -dev is only fake depency, so you can just dpkg --ignore-depends=libxml2-dev when you install the deb22:15
jonniDrGrov: you can only lose information if you happen to poweroff during a write operation, so most likely if you didnt do any "save/write to disk" action during the poweroff then your information is save. 2. Its quite uncommon, atleast if You havent installed any 3rd party tweaking apps.22:18
DrGrovjonni: No I have no 3rd party tweaking apps except lpsmagic which I presume is safe. It was just strange that the touchscreen froze up on me but still it powered off. That made me wonder... When it froze up on me I had the chance to check before it froze that there were no running apps in the background in the multitasking view.22:19
itsnotabigtruckthat took forever to find...22:20
DrGrovjonni: But I think I have not lost anything since I did not have ex. contacts app open when it happened. I had the issue earlier with contacts app and misspelling contact names and that closed the contacts app but still everything was intact.22:21
jonniwell lpsmagic is semi-safe, ofcourse it might screw up the low-power functionality a bit22:21
itsnotabigtruckas for the message on ovi store i suppose that's unrelated22:21
DrGrovjonni: So perhaps an uninstallation of lpsmagic would be wise? This was the first time it froze on me. Have had lpsmagic 1.1 until a few days ago and now 1.3. Have had lpsmagic for about 2-3 weeks now.22:22
jonniI dont think that lpsmagic will screw the touch functionality, so I wouldnt uninstall it22:22
bluesleejonni: doesnt seem to work22:22
itsnotabigtruckit sounds doubtful that it was because of lpsmagic22:22
itsnotabigtruckif lpsmagic caused the ui to bomb out, that would be a bug in the nokia ui stuff22:23
bluesleedpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libxml2-dev:22:23
blueslee libxml2-dev depends on libxml2 (= 2.7.8-0maemo4+0m6); however:22:23
blueslee  Version of libxml2 on system is 2.7.8-0maemo5+0m6.22:23
itsnotabigtruckbut there's also nothing saying lpsmagic triggered that at all22:23
jonniblueslee: I was trying to say that dont install the dev, as you can skip that with ignore-depends22:24
DrGrovSo apparently it was just a misfortunate accident that happened. Like a huge bomb but with less power :)22:24
itsnotabigtruckblueslee: ffs, do the package build like i've explained twice before and all will be fine22:24
DrGrovArguement going on :) Lovely22:24
itsnotabigtruckof course that doesn't solve the root problem, which is no one bothering to keep the public dev repo in order!22:24
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: PM coming through22:24
itsnotabigtruckbut it will get you on you way so you can stop asking the same question over and over ^blueslee22:25
jonniitsnotabigtruck: thats fucked up, I have to raise some internal bug that only pr1.0 is allowed and no exceptions should be allowed.... :)22:25
DrGrovAFK for 2 minutes22:25
itsnotabigtruckjonni: erm, have you actually thought that through22:26
itsnotabigtruckit's a policy that's ridiculous on the face of it22:26
jonniitsnotabigtruck: or actually if someone wants to use 1.1 they can do that but they should use 1.0 in pr1.0 devices. and dynamicly check it as runtime22:26
itsnotabigtruckthe nokia developer blog recently stated some stats indicating that the vast vast vast majority of units right now are running pr1.122:26
jonniitsnotabigtruck: well some people still are on pr1.0 and if application doesnt work its a bug22:27
itsnotabigtruckit might have made sense when pr1.1 had just come out, but it's been 4 months or so now22:27
itsnotabigtruckno, it's not a bug, it's an application that doesn't work on pr1.022:27
jonnithats the backward compatibility policy22:27
itsnotabigtruckand if you leave a bunch of holes in the api in pr1.0 and close them in pr1.1, what do you expect people to do22:27
itsnotabigtruckit might be the policy but it's about time for a reevaluation22:27
jonniwell its actually the ovi store that sucks, it should offer an option to defice pr release and only offer application to end users if pr requiremetns are filled.22:29
jonnibut as ovi store sucks and there is no such option it just forces everything to work in pr1.022:29
jonnidefine even22:29
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jonniit would be nice to even put in debian depends field pr1.1 which would then install 200megs of pr1.1 when app is installed :)22:30
itsnotabigtruckor just put in a field that the ovi store client checks saying "blah blah you need to upgrade to version x first blah blah"22:32
itsnotabigtruckwhich is something that should have been in 5 months ago instead of coming up with backwards policies22:32
itsnotabigtruckimagine if google decided that only android 1.0 compatible apps can be in the market22:32
jonnitwo bladed sword as it can also cause bad blood to force users to upgrade22:33
jonnibut lets see what this year brings us, there might be some policy changes coming at some point.22:35
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bluesleeokay, qt-sdk contains madde ...22:35
itsnotabigtruckblueslee: do you have scratchbox installed22:36
itsnotabigtruckwhat os are you using22:36
itsnotabigtruckif you don't have scratchbox yet, then if you're not using debian or ubuntu, first get a VM up and running22:37
itsnotabigtruckthen install the "harmattan platform sdk" (scratchbox)22:37
bluesleeitsnotabigtruck: no i have no scratchbox, but qt sdk ... i use opensuse22:37
itsnotabigtruckok, then get your vm software of choice loaded up and put the latest ubuntu on there22:38
itsnotabigtruckit'll take a while but it's good to have scratchbox anyway22:38
itsnotabigtruckthen you load up the sdk, and you also need the sdk_sources iso (i think you already got that?)22:38
itsnotabigtruckgrab the libxml2 source package and get it into your scratchbox home dir (/scratchbox/users/username/home/username)22:39
itsnotabigtruckthat would be the dsc file and the tar.gz file22:39
itsnotabigtruckthen you dpkg -x foo.dsc, cd into the directory it creates, and dpkg-buildpackage -b -rfakeroot22:39
bluesleeitsnotabigtruck: sb under suse was no problem ... running sb in parallel to the qt creator is a little bit much, but i guess i may need it for different kind of things22:39
DrGrovjonni: So, what do you think about the possibility that I did not have anything running in the background? Is that a good sign for the whole touchscreen leading to loss of information thing?22:39
itsnotabigtruckyou also might need to do fakeroot apt-get build-dep libxml2 first22:40
itsnotabigtruckthen once it's done there's a bunch of .debs in the directory where you put the .dsc22:40
itsnotabigtruckinstall libxml2-dev and libxml222:40
itsnotabigtruckactually you probably need to copy them out and install them through madde22:41
itsnotabigtruckanyway, you get the gist of it22:41
itsnotabigtruckalternatively you could get someone else who already has a scratchbox to do a build for you but if you haven't noticed i'm not in a terribly good mood right now, heh22:41
bluesleenormally the things go this way: idea -> problem 1 -> problem 2 -> ... its like a vicious circle:-)22:43
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bluesleeitsnotabigtruck: anyway, thanks for you help and your hints22:45
itsnotabigtruckblueslee: sorry if that was a lot all at once...22:45
itsnotabigtruckthat should set you in the right direction though22:45
itsnotabigtruckand re the distro, i think they don't recommend putting scratchbox on non-debian-based oses for some reason22:45
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bluesleeno, it was not, i copied everything to a file ... but your discussion with jonni makes be a little bit nervous, development on the n9 is not the way to go, i guess i would run into serious dependency and package problems in future22:47
bluesleei mean on board compiling with repos for scratchbox/n950 etc22:48
itsnotabigtruckblueslee: serious...problems...not really22:49
itsnotabigtruckwait, you mean compiling on the N9 itself?22:49
itsnotabigtruckscratchbox is definitely preferable to that22:50
itsnotabigtrucknokia doesn't have the public repo in order but it's not a game breaker22:50
itsnotabigtruckit just means you have to do more work than you would if everything was done properly22:50
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DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: What is your standpoint on my touchscreen freezing issue? Could it cause loss of information/data? I must say I did not have any apps running in the background when I powered down.23:03
ZogG_laptophaha, i might be joking around that certain famous persons are stupid and laugh about them, but after i watched steven and steve interview - how the fuck did they get to the places they are?23:03
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: well, are you shutting it down 'normally'23:03
itsnotabigtruckif so there's no data loss issue...but ofc it still shouldn't do that23:04
itsnotabigtruckreally you need to find the cause23:04
ZogG_laptopi didn't like Jobs, but he had personality and people could follow him23:04
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: It was just a freeze up of the touchscreen. So apparently not a big deal.23:05
DrGrovI actually have only had this happening once now so I am confident about it not happening too often :D23:05
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ZogG_laptop -hmmm23:50
ZogG_laptopbootloader and maybe double boot from e-eyes ? =)23:51
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