| jpwhiting | I put my new libtelepathy-glib.so.0 and libtelepathy-glib.so.0.64.3 in bin | 00:00 |
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| djszapi | and ${LD_LIBRARY_PATH} at the end | 00:00 |
| jpwhiting | ah, right | 00:00 |
| djszapi | I do not use symlinks fwiw | 00:00 |
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| djszapi | just one "*.so*" and that is all. | 00:00 |
| jpwhiting | ah, without all the numbers, yeah, that makes sense | 00:00 |
| artemma | j/me spent half of today trying to figure out qtmock and failed. Too many macros, too little docs | 00:00 |
| artemma | any experienced Qt developers interested in easy automated testing here? | 00:01 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: this is my kanagram rules file: http://paste.kde.org/206210/ | 00:01 |
| djszapi | artemma: I was checking out qtmock one year ago | 00:01 |
| djszapi | but I decided to write my own mock subclass for my test case. | 00:02 |
| artemma | djszapi: go ahead, I am all ears | 00:02 |
| djszapi | when I had to test an abstract base class functionality. | 00:02 |
| artemma | last commits in qtmock are from august 2011 | 00:02 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: so what I wanted to show is that, I use the major version for some reason | 00:02 |
| artemma | https://qt.gitorious.org/~niandong/qt/niandongs-qttools/commits/qtmock | 00:02 |
| jpwhiting | djszapi: hmm, I should put the .so.0 or the .so file? | 00:02 |
| djszapi | not the pure .so directly. | 00:02 |
| djszapi | well, my way works :P | 00:02 |
| djszapi | try to resemble first. | 00:02 |
| jpwhiting | ok, I'll do that then | 00:02 |
| jpwhiting | yep | 00:02 |
| djszapi | but first try to export it explicitely. | 00:03 |
| djszapi | so noone else overwrites it. | 00:03 |
| artemma | djszapi: was qtmock working not convenient enough for you or have you failed to make it work at all? | 00:03 |
| djszapi | artemma: too much hazzle, and it was easier to make an mock subclass for the abstract base class | 00:04 |
| djszapi | you know, all you need to test for an abstract base class is possible if you just simply subclass it | 00:04 |
| djszapi | so I did not need a mock framework after all | 00:04 |
| artemma | oh.. then I misunderstood the approach probably. I though I inject a couple of macros and it will magically intercept calls via meta-objects | 00:04 |
| djszapi | what do you need a mock framework for ? | 00:05 |
| djszapi | perhaps you could also avoid it ? | 00:05 |
| artemma | I am working with skype runtime now | 00:05 |
| artemma | and would like to mock it | 00:05 |
| artemma | you know: expect my code to call init(), simulate reply, etc | 00:05 |
| djszapi | makes sense | 00:05 |
| artemma | surely I can wrap Skype objects into my own wrappers and supply FakeSkype during a test | 00:06 |
| djszapi | I did not have such a complex scenario | 00:06 |
| jpwhiting | djszapi: hmm, when it installs the package, my script is not executable :/ | 00:06 |
| artemma | to my understanding that's the primary reason for mocks to exist: replace time/resource consuming stuff with automatically created fakes | 00:06 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: yes, check out my postinst script | 00:07 |
| jpwhiting | the script is executable on my dev system though, do I need some special stuff in the manifest to keep exe permissions? | 00:07 |
| artemma | same would go for filesystem stuff as well. E.g. you could mock file access | 00:07 |
| djszapi | chmod +x /opt/kanagram/bin/kanagram.sh | 00:07 |
| djszapi | artemma: yes, but do not mix with stub :) | 00:07 |
| jpwhiting | djszapi: postinst script? | 00:08 |
| djszapi | yeah | 00:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: that shouldn't be necessary... | 00:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | use install -mode from your makefile install target | 00:08 |
| artemma | djszapi: well, anyway. I failed to figure qtmock myself, was looking for help. Maybe next time :) | 00:08 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: well, it is way easier than patching the makefile | 00:08 |
| djszapi | and since you can have chmod credential, I do not see it a real problem | 00:09 |
| djszapi | and I had to use postinst script anyway because of restarting pulse | 00:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i don't understand how your simple game can possibly be this complicated... | 00:09 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: this is my postinst script: http://paste.kde.org/206228/ | 00:09 |
| djszapi | what is complicated in a chmod ? | 00:10 |
| djszapi | shall I really patch makefiles instead ? | 00:10 |
| djszapi | I do not live in the 90s sorry | 00:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also just because aegis allows something doesn't mean it should be done :p aegis makes it super easy to make almost anything you install setuid root | 00:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | doesn't mean it's a good idea | 00:10 |
| djszapi | it is the best idea imho | 00:11 |
| jpwhiting | itsnotabigtruck: what's another way to make a shell script executable? | 00:11 |
| djszapi | artemma: that is what I did: https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/games/gluon/repository/revisions/master/entry/smarts/lib/tests/btperceptioninfotest.cpp#L28 | 00:11 |
| djszapi | artemma: to avoid the qtmock usage :) | 00:11 |
| artemma | thx | 00:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jpwhiting: you make it +x when you build the package so that it gets installed executable to begin with | 00:11 |
| artemma | checking.. | 00:11 |
| gri | itsnotabigtruck: This does not always seem to work | 00:12 |
| gri | itsnotabigtruck: All my binaries are +x'ed on my hdd but I have to do "chmod +x" in the postinst script, too for harmatatn | 00:12 |
| gri | harmatatn* | 00:12 |
| gri | damn | 00:13 |
| djszapi | exactly, and the easiest way is the postinst script | 00:13 |
| jpwhiting | it's +x here also | 00:13 |
| jpwhiting | on my hd anyway | 00:13 |
| djszapi | you do not need to know makefile, nor debian packaging syntax for the rule file with different build ways, like dh and the other | 00:13 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: do not worry, many people do this in postinst, even kalgebra afaik :) | 00:13 |
| djszapi | imo, blinken too | 00:14 |
| * gri even does evil symbolic links in postinst | 00:14 | |
| djszapi | gri: I think it is viable in the rules file | 00:14 |
| djszapi | you just need to know the debian packaging rules | 00:14 |
| djszapi | when to execute it precisely. | 00:14 |
| jpwhiting | djszapi: just put a projectname.postinst file with similar syntax? do I need to add to the rules file to use my .postinst file? | 00:14 |
| djszapi | but honestly...why bother if postinst works oob ? :) | 00:14 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: you can even use simply / | 00:15 |
| djszapi | debian/postinst if you have only one package | 00:15 |
| djszapi | but projectname.postinst is good yeah | 00:15 |
| jpwhiting | djszapi: then I need to put something about chmod in my manifest file? | 00:16 |
| djszapi | nope, that is allowed | 00:16 |
| djszapi | do not forget to exit with zero | 00:16 |
| jpwhiting | and the projectname.postinst will be executed automatically? or I need to tell the rules file about it? | 00:16 |
| gri | chmod'ding an binary that did not come with a .deb file will not be allowed by aegis :) | 00:17 |
| djszapi | man | 00:17 |
| djszapi | maintainer scripts run automatically. | 00:17 |
| djszapi | it is like a callback you know. | 00:17 |
| gri | (well, chmod'ding will be allowed but executing it not) | 00:17 |
| jpwhiting | gri: this file comes from the .deb, so it should be fine | 00:17 |
| djszapi | gri: but chown will with developer | 00:17 |
| djszapi | interestingly enough :) | 00:18 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: yeah, no worries :) | 00:18 |
| gri | I just wanted to show a case where chmod makes no sense | 00:18 |
| djszapi | nobody recommended not to package the executables :P | 00:19 |
| djszapi | especially binaries. | 00:19 |
| jpwhiting | worked perfectly | 00:19 |
| * jpwhiting tries to run it | 00:19 | |
| gri | well, you can safely ignore my texts as the wine already won against my blood :) | 00:20 |
| djszapi | what happened ? | 00:20 |
| gri | my gf was too busy so I had to empty the bottle alone | 00:20 |
| djszapi | ohh I thought you are 100 years old today :) | 00:21 |
| gri | no, it's still 74 years to go until that | 00:21 |
| djszapi | we are in the same age then :) | 00:22 |
| gri | there are I meant - my english can only become worse this evening | 00:22 |
| djszapi | what is the easiest way of converting bunch of xml contents to json with a javascript function that is supposed to do that ? | 00:22 |
| djszapi | http://goessner.net/download/prj/jsonxml/ | 00:22 |
| djszapi | maybe qml + qmlviewer ? | 00:23 |
| djszapi | and console.log, or how ? | 00:23 |
| artemma | djszapi: Hey, I figured how qtmock works and tested that! Thanks for your code example, got me thinking in the right direction :) | 00:28 |
| artemma | basically it's the same as your simple example + all these manually created mocks can be scripted from outside | 00:29 |
| artemma | for cases when they need to return different stuff, etc | 00:29 |
| djszapi | cool :D | 00:30 |
| artemma | so I still need to create classes for all my fakes myself, but body of all the functions is pretty much just a call to a mocking framework | 00:30 |
| artemma | now I need to think whether I actually need it :) | 00:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | i hate ovi store app | 00:30 |
| djszapi | any php guru here ? | 00:30 |
| artemma | for simplest cases where mocked stuff always or almost always behaves the same, mock framework doesn't add much | 00:31 |
| gri | ZogG_laptop: the app is nice, but ovi store itself sucks :) | 00:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: only guru is good? | 00:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri: i hate the loop indicator =) the one that should be busy | 00:31 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: ofc no :) | 00:32 |
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| jpwhiting | djszapi: well at least it runs now | 00:36 |
| jpwhiting | thanks for the help | 00:36 |
| * jpwhiting debugs... | 00:36 | |
| djszapi | cool :) | 00:37 |
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| Sazpaimon | hey guys | 01:22 |
| Sazpaimon | may I make an app request | 01:22 |
| Sazpaimon | one that has source code already available | 01:22 |
| faenil | guys, fast question, is the deepest reset the one you can call from settings? | 01:22 |
| Sazpaimon | a port of steam chat to accounts | 01:22 |
| Sazpaimon | using code from https://bitbucket.org/VoiDeD/steamre/wiki/Home | 01:22 |
| Sazpaimon | I'd try and figure it out but >.NET | 01:23 |
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| faenil | best way to hardreset n9 | 01:30 |
| faenil | ? | 01:30 |
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| JackaLX | faenil: are you trying to fix a problem (bricked device), or are you just wanting to reset back to factory defaults and/or erase your settings and personal data? | 01:39 |
| faenil | just want to reset coz I'm selling it ;) | 01:40 |
| JackaLX | Look in Settings -> Reset | 01:40 |
| faenil | ok that's what I was referring to | 01:40 |
| faenil | is that enough? can I trust it? | 01:41 |
| djszapi | no, it will eat your banana xD | 01:41 |
| JackaLX | Well, try it and then check that all your data is gone | 01:41 |
| faenil | djszapi: lol | 01:41 |
| JackaLX | and hide your bananas :-) | 01:41 |
| faenil | JackaLX: that's not reliable :D | 01:41 |
| JackaLX | yeah, bananas do have a nasty habit of coming out of hiding right when you don't want them to | 01:43 |
| faenil | lol | 01:43 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | faenil: have you reset it yet? | 02:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'd recommend using flasher to sanitize it | 02:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it has a secure erase option | 02:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm not sure whether the reset option is to be trusted, it's for casuals | 02:12 |
| faenil | itsnotabigtruck: yeah that's what I meant, but I guess the settings things does the same, it's taking ages | 02:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | faenil: it doesn't, afaik it runs a series of scripts to remove certain types of data | 02:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it doesn't secure erase, and it doesn't get rid of all data | 02:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you really want to use the flasher option, if i understand correctly | 02:16 |
| faenil | mm ok | 02:16 |
| faenil | isn't there any oneclickflasher for 1.1? | 02:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i think so... | 02:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you have the image file you can just use the current flasher with it | 02:17 |
| faenil | I dont.. | 02:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oneclickflasher = flasher + an image in a self-extractor | 02:17 |
| faenil | I updated via oat | 02:17 |
| faenil | yeah I know, plus a bat file | 02:17 |
| faenil | but I could not find neither the image nor the oneclick for N9 (if not via navifirm | 02:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | since it's a 950 why not just put 1.2 on it | 02:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh, this is an n9? | 02:18 |
| faenil | no, I'm selling the n9 | 02:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | use navifirm | 02:18 |
| faenil | and keeping the N950, which I can't sell coz of agreement | 02:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | :p | 02:18 |
| faenil | navifirm is windows-only, isn't it? | 02:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then download the script (admiral0?) made | 02:19 |
| faenil | mmm | 02:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i tested navifirm 0.1 on mono 2.0, it worked except that mono defaults to not allow any ca certificates at all | 02:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | meaning ssl on mono doesn't work without extraordinary measures | 02:20 |
| faenil | mm | 02:20 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | because the tool to install certificates into mono doesn't even ship with mono :/ | 02:20 |
| faenil | lol | 02:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, find the script and use that | 02:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | actually, hold on | 02:20 |
| djszapi | faenil: you can extract it any time | 02:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's a website that does the same thing as navifirm now | 02:21 |
| djszapi | you can grab the pure contents. | 02:21 |
| faenil | djszapi: what are you talking about? | 02:21 |
| djszapi | well, the image you can download is self-contained | 02:21 |
| djszapi | I mean the binary that you just need to run | 02:21 |
| faenil | yeah I know that | 02:21 |
| djszapi | what is the problem then ? | 02:21 |
| faenil | that I can't find 1.1 image online | 02:22 |
| faenil | :P | 02:22 |
| djszapi | Also, I would just reflash it to stock state | 02:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://www.btusers.com.ar/nan/nokia/releases.php?id=1957201&rid=6883750564&pid=4823499691&firm=22.2011.44.2 | 02:22 |
| djszapi | since that is how people buy phones anyway | 02:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | faenil ^ there you go | 02:22 |
| faenil | thanks itsnotabigtruck, I did not know there was a website now for that :) | 02:22 |
| faenil | djszapi: there's no 1.1 image online :P | 02:22 |
| faenil | only on navifirm | 02:22 |
| djszapi | you do not need | 02:22 |
| faenil | ? | 02:23 |
| djszapi | you need a one time flasher if it is not already PR1.2 on your phone | 02:23 |
| djszapi | well, why would you need ? | 02:23 |
| djszapi | why not use the flasher they give officially ? | 02:23 |
| faenil | because I need to use the flashed with erase secure option | 02:23 |
| djszapi | it is the state how people buy phones | 02:23 |
| djszapi | why would you ? | 02:23 |
| faenil | djszapi, you're cryptic some times :D | 02:23 |
| faenil | tell me what do you suggest to do | 02:23 |
| faenil | suggest doing | 02:23 |
| djszapi | flash everything | 02:24 |
| djszapi | that is how people buy stuff, no ? | 02:24 |
| faenil | you flash "an image" on "something" | 02:24 |
| faenil | something = N) | 02:24 |
| djszapi | phones do not get into shops with secure erase | 02:24 |
| faenil | N9 | 02:24 |
| faenil | image = where is it? | 02:24 |
| djszapi | why not use the Nokia software for flashing ? | 02:24 |
| Sazpaimon | [19:18] <faenil> and keeping the N950, which I can't sell coz of agreement | 02:24 |
| Sazpaimon | shhhh | 02:24 |
| Sazpaimon | *they* dont have to know about that | 02:24 |
| faenil | lol | 02:24 |
| faenil | :D | 02:24 |
| faenil | djszapi: ok, so you mean nokia suite | 02:25 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: they do not, but what do you say if they ask back ? | 02:25 |
| Sazpaimon | djszapi, here's 500 euro | 02:25 |
| djszapi | faenil: whatever official glashing | 02:25 |
| djszapi | flashing* | 02:25 |
| Sazpaimon | which i assume you got, and then some, for selling it | 02:25 |
| faenil | djszapi, anyway, factory phones don't need secure erase, and guess why, because none should have used that phone before XD | 02:25 |
| djszapi | not sure how this secure erase came to the picture | 02:25 |
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| faenil | it's an option for maemo/harmattan flasher | 02:26 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: 500 EUR what ? | 02:26 |
| djszapi | faenil: why would you use that ? | 02:26 |
| faenil | since I'm selling the N9, I want to be sure data is deleted as reliably as possible | 02:26 |
| djszapi | instead of reflashing everything ? | 02:26 |
| Sazpaimon | djszapi, isnt that what nokia is charging for lost N950s? | 02:26 |
| faenil | argh XD | 02:26 |
| djszapi | faenil: you wanna reflash everything then | 02:26 |
| djszapi | if you wanna make sure. | 02:27 |
| Sazpaimon | which kinda sucks | 02:27 |
| faenil | yes I want to! | 02:27 |
| faenil | problem is, how from Linux? | 02:27 |
| Sazpaimon | what happens if your four year old flushes it down the toilt | 02:27 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: how do you know, url by hand ? | 02:27 |
| faenil | you said, use nokia suite | 02:27 |
| faenil | and I asked does nokia suite use secure erase while flashing? | 02:27 |
| djszapi | no real clue | 02:27 |
| djszapi | but I would suppose so. | 02:27 |
| faenil | ok, so that's why we wanted to use harmattan flasher + latest image | 02:28 |
| Sazpaimon | djszapi, its somewhere in the NDA | 02:28 |
| faenil | :) | 02:28 |
| djszapi | since anybody can sell out the device, no ? | 02:28 |
| djszapi | why ? | 02:28 |
| djszapi | that is the hackery | 02:28 |
| djszapi | instead of the official way | 02:28 |
| faenil | djszapi: the NDS says if you lose/break or whatever and they ask it back you have to pay 500€ | 02:28 |
| faenil | djszapi: the official way is nokia suite | 02:28 |
| faenil | but is there anything for linux? and does it erase securely? we don't know | 02:28 |
| djszapi | just for putting it clear: | 02:28 |
| djszapi | if you do not use the official way, your friend is not gonna have warranty | 02:29 |
| djszapi | are you sure you wanna that ? | 02:29 |
| djszapi | you wanna void the warranty for him/her ? | 02:29 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: link, please ? | 02:29 |
| faenil | itsnotabigtruck: my PC is not in the available list on the website :| | 02:29 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: I do not remember I signed such a thing | 02:30 |
| faenil | no I don't | 02:30 |
| djszapi | navifirm: warranty void | 02:30 |
| faenil | but the image is the official one | 02:30 |
| djszapi | does not matter | 02:30 |
| faenil | why should it void the warrany? | 02:30 |
| djszapi | the procedure is not the official | 02:30 |
| faenil | flasher is official | 02:30 |
| djszapi | man | 02:30 |
| faenil | image is official | 02:30 |
| faenil | :D | 02:30 |
| djszapi | I went through this many times | 02:31 |
| djszapi | even with a Nokia manager. | 02:31 |
| faenil | I trust you, it just sucks :D | 02:31 |
| djszapi | he confirmed manually what the flasher writes | 02:31 |
| djszapi | read the flasher when you use the navifirm image | 02:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: i should have known you were going to launch into a tirade about that | 02:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | faenil: just do it | 02:31 |
| faenil | ahahah :D | 02:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's a difference between official and proper | 02:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | flashing the image isn't official but it is proper | 02:31 |
| faenil | XD | 02:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and nokia has a strange concept of official | 02:31 |
| djszapi | ok sure. ... | 02:32 |
| faenil | oh I forgot one thing, the phone doesn't have warranty since I have won it at devdays XD | 02:32 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: you could have a bit more respect | 02:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: and you could have a bit less pedantry | 02:32 |
| faenil | djszapi: no problem, there's no warrany :D | 02:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it drives the entire channel nuts | 02:32 |
| djszapi | saying "tirade" instead of "thanks for mentioning, I did not know" is quite arrogant | 02:32 |
| djszapi | the false things you spread is way utterly cumbersome | 02:33 |
| djszapi | read the damn flasher, and ask a Nokia manager as well if you cannot read | 02:33 |
| djszapi | what could I say ? | 02:33 |
| faenil | :) stop it guys ;) | 02:33 |
| faenil | there's no warranty, so who cares :) | 02:33 |
| djszapi | faenil: well, it bugs me if that is the respect if I try to help with stating facts to get more information: "tirade". | 02:34 |
| faenil | let's not start any discussion, you can fix that in private ;) | 02:35 |
| djszapi | I cannot even imagine how there is no warranty | 02:35 |
| djszapi | you lost that earlier ? | 02:35 |
| faenil | nope, I won it at devdays | 02:35 |
| faenil | since I won it, it has no warrany | 02:35 |
| djszapi | well, mine has, and I got it there. | 02:35 |
| djszapi | 2 years iirc in Europe. | 02:36 |
| faenil | how? can I check that ? I asked quim gil iirc | 02:36 |
| faenil | and he said there's a "friends" warranty | 02:36 |
| faenil | they'll try to fix it, but there's no warrany | 02:36 |
| djszapi | did you sign anything about losing the warranty you are entitled for ? | 02:36 |
| djszapi | to* | 02:36 |
| faenil | nope | 02:36 |
| faenil | but there's no receipt | 02:36 |
| djszapi | then you have warranty | 02:36 |
| faenil | djszapi: but that's what I was told from a Nokia guy... | 02:36 |
| djszapi | you do not even have the paper to the phone ? | 02:37 |
| faenil | paper to the phone? | 02:37 |
| faenil | what do you mean? | 02:37 |
| djszapi | when you got, what the warranty conditions and so on | 02:37 |
| faenil | I was just given the box :) | 02:37 |
| faenil | oh, let me see | 02:37 |
| djszapi | at any rate: if you have no warranty, then you can hack the simple procedure out | 02:38 |
| djszapi | there is no real risk about losing any warranty | 02:38 |
| djszapi | what price do you sell it out ? | 02:38 |
| faenil | crap it's written in finnish or don't know what D | 02:39 |
| faenil | XD | 02:39 |
| faenil | 330€ | 02:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the fact of the matter is that it's an official nokia tool, an official nokia image, and in any case no one cares how the phone was flashed as long as it wasn't killed in the process | 02:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's the company line, and there's actuality | 02:40 |
| djszapi | pfff | 02:40 |
| faenil | guys, please | 02:40 |
| djszapi | is that really how you would behave if you sell out a phone ? | 02:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the company line is that so much as touching your phone without bringing it to an authorized Nokia Care(SM) outlet could potentially kill you/laser your cat/explode the planet/etc. | 02:40 |
| djszapi | take all the risks possible ? | 02:41 |
| djszapi | and tell the guy, oopsie I hacked the device inside and out | 02:41 |
| djszapi | but you surely have gurantee | 02:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, guess what, there isn't even such a thing as an authorized Nokia Care(SM) outlet in much of the world | 02:41 |
| djszapi | I hope I never have a business with you :) | 02:41 |
| faenil | please both stop it please | 02:41 |
| faenil | don't start attacking one another | 02:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | suppose faenil downloads nokia care suite and uses that instead | 02:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you'd say that's verboten and warranty voiding too | 02:42 |
| djszapi | why would he ? | 02:42 |
| djszapi | he has no guarantee | 02:42 |
| djszapi | he has just said... | 02:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's also the precise same program that said Nokia Care(SM) outlet would use to flash it | 02:42 |
| djszapi | except the layer on top of that | 02:42 |
| djszapi | for which they do take the guarantee, but everything else. | 02:42 |
| djszapi | anyway, it is not hard, basic reading knowledge needed. | 02:43 |
| faenil | okay guys I'm out | 02:43 |
| * djszapi too | 02:43 | |
| faenil | seen this situation too many time | 02:43 |
| faenil | s | 02:43 |
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| faenil | mmm the n9 already knows the date after reset | 02:50 |
| faenil | is that normal? | 02:50 |
| faenil | :) | 02:50 |
| faenil | radio date receiver? :D | 02:50 |
| ieatlint | is there a sim card in it?\ | 02:50 |
| faenil | no | 02:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the clock probably keeps going across a reset | 02:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, like i mentioned, the settings menu reset isn't very comprehensive | 02:51 |
| faenil | mm ok :) strange, but ok :) | 02:51 |
| ieatlint | yeah, the clock is done outside of firmware | 02:51 |
| faenil | argh itsnotabigtruck, don't tell me that, I don't know how to download that freaking fw XD | 02:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | faenil: i pasted a link earlier | 02:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | to a site that's like a web version of navifirm | 02:51 |
| faenil | and I told you my PC is not there :D | 02:51 |
| faenil | product code | 02:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oops right | 02:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | let me double check | 02:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which PC is it? | 02:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm guessing that site is using the same web interface navifirm uses | 02:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so that's fairly weird | 02:52 |
| faenil | 059K755 | 02:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ohhhh | 02:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i know what happened | 02:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i linked you to PR1.1.1 | 02:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which is only for me&a units | 02:53 |
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| faenil | :) | 02:54 |
| faenil | like to make jokes! :D | 02:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://www.btusers.com.ar/nan/nokia/releases.php?id=1957258&rid=6730627857&pid=4823499691&firm=20.2011.40.4 | 02:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | RM-696 NDT NORWAY CYAN 16GB < there it is | 02:54 |
| faenil | yup | 02:54 |
| faenil | norwey, lol | 02:54 |
| faenil | norway | 02:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and yeah, it | 02:55 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | 's a gigantic file | 02:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i really need to quit missing the apostrophe key | 02:55 |
| faenil | yeah :( | 02:56 |
| faenil | and servers are not very fast atm it seems | 02:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, sometimes it can be really really slow | 02:56 |
| faenil | ouch | 02:56 |
| faenil | I think I'll flash it befor meeting the guy tomorrow morning... | 02:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's a separate server for nokia care suite | 02:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | let me see if i can get figure out how to get a link | 02:57 |
| faenil | about the flasher... | 02:57 |
| faenil | flasher -f imagepath --erase-mmc=secure -F ? | 02:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nope, the cs and nsu servers return the same urls | 02:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but you might want this one too | 02:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/p/d/fds_fire/1111/0812/6514769374/EE346493_DFL61_HARMATTAN_20.2011.40-4.NORTHERNEUROPE_EMMC_NORTHERNEUROPE.bin | 02:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's the emmc image for northern europe | 02:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you can probably flash it with a different emmc if you want, most of that space is for regional maps | 02:59 |
| faenil | oh crap :O | 02:59 |
| faenil | I think I don't have time for that | 02:59 |
| faenil | what if I don't flash it? | 02:59 |
| faenil | what's remaining on the phone? | 02:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then the phone isn't necessarily precisely in a factory state, that's about it | 02:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | traces of data you've deleted | 02:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though i don't know how secure flasher's secure erase mode is | 03:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | probably a lot more secure than the normal reset though | 03:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also if you've messed with the OS much it might not be completely unmessed | 03:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and if you deleted maps it won't bring those back | 03:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (w/o the flasher reset) | 03:01 |
| faenil | nah haven't messed much with the OS | 03:01 |
| faenil | and there were maps on it | 03:01 |
| faenil | italian maps | 03:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hmm, better put the italian emmc on it | 03:01 |
| faenil | and I've never had any important data on it, just photos and videos, so there shouldn't be any problem... | 03:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/p/d/fds_fire/1111/0812/6514769420/85EF76BB_DFL61_HARMATTAN_20.2011.40-4.ITALY_EMMC_ITALY.bin | 03:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | here you go | 03:02 |
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| faenil | so normal reset has also deleted maps and games/apps that were preinstalled? | 03:02 |
| faenil | i.e. erased mmc? | 03:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i don't think the preinstalled stuff is on emmc, is it? | 03:03 |
| faenil | like golf, nfs | 03:03 |
| faenil | don't know actually | 03:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | almost everything is rootfs except mydocs | 03:03 |
| faenil | mm ok so they should still be there | 03:04 |
| faenil | after reset | 03:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, they're part of the image | 03:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you uninstalled them reflashing rootfs will bring them back | 03:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | reflashing emmc will just do maps and maybe some other stuff | 03:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but since you're selling it, it makes sense to make it close to factory-new | 03:05 |
| faenil | ok...I thought additional games such as golf were in the emmc | 03:05 |
| faenil | yeah | 03:05 |
| faenil | italian emmc is better | 03:05 |
| faenil | well I'll just let it downlaod | 03:05 |
| faenil | and wake up earlier and flash it | 03:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i just realized that "row" in the product code names means "rest of world" | 03:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, related to that, the no maps emmc is only 300 megs | 03:06 |
| faenil | oh can I have that? | 03:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/p/d/fds_fire/1111/0810/6514769279/2E9DDCE2_DFL61_HARMATTAN_20.2011.40-4.NOMAPS_EMMC_NOMAPS.bin | 03:07 |
| faenil | and is that still regional? | 03:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no, it's the non-region-specific variant | 03:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it's still for type 001 | 03:08 |
| faenil | ok... I think I'll use the 1.3gb one anyway, since I'm going to bed ;) | 03:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | heh | 03:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | later | 03:08 |
| faenil | have to wake up in 6 hours or less :( | 03:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | :( | 03:08 |
| faenil | cya tomorrow and thanks for the help :) | 03:08 |
| faenil | crap I don't remember how the flasher works | 03:10 |
| faenil | flasher -F image -f is for image only | 03:10 |
| faenil | flasher -F image --erase-mmc=secure -f is for erasing | 03:10 |
| faenil | how do I add the emmc image? | 03:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | faenil: hmm | 03:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's built-in help | 03:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | do flasher --help and do what sounds right, i think | 03:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just be sure before you hit enter, lest djszapi's concerns bear out, heh | 03:11 |
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| faenil | XD | 03:12 |
| faenil | here it is, it's -F image -F emmcs | 03:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | let's see here | 03:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hold on | 03:13 |
| faenil | oh, but is this 40.4 the one of the OTA update? | 03:14 |
| faenil | or do I need to update it via OTA afterwards? | 03:14 |
| faenil | I don't remember xD | 03:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | --erase-user-data=secure --erase-mmc=secure -F image.bin -F emmc.bin -f -r | 03:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i *think* that ought to do the trick | 03:15 |
| faenil | right ;) | 03:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | secure erase everything, flash, reboot | 03:15 |
| faenil | yeah | 03:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh, and don't ever ota update it | 03:15 |
| faenil | I have already done it for the latest fw | 03:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ota updates seem to have version numbers higher than nsu updates | 03:15 |
| faenil | crap! | 03:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so if you ota update to the current version, you can't flash using nsu/caresuite/etc. anymore | 03:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or flasher | 03:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so...i think that's a problem then | 03:16 |
| faenil | definitely | 03:16 |
| faenil | ok he'll just get the phone as it is | 03:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, if it fails safely, you could try anyway...the risk is that it does the erase operation and not the flash :p | 03:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i've had too many garbage firmware updater programs do things like that to me, heh | 03:16 |
| faenil | and how do I get the phone back once the fw has been flushed away XD | 03:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you could flash it up to PR1.1.1 | 03:17 |
| faenil | nah | 03:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | we're going up a notch in risk factor then though | 03:17 |
| faenil | I'll just leave it as it is, don't want to take risks the night before selling it :) | 03:17 |
| faenil | it's very late, time to go to bed, cya mate ;) | 03:18 |
| faenil | and thanks := | 03:18 |
| faenil | :) | 03:18 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | later! | 03:18 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | hopefully nokia won't cause that mess with the pr1.2 release again | 03:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (differing over-the-air and off-the-air images that make phones unflashable) | 03:26 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://www.reddit.com/r/comics/comments/pi99v/hey_reddit_wanna_see_what_3_major_comic_syndicate/c3pknea | 03:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | bahahaha | 03:55 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | out of curiosity, what's the output from flasher -i (show info) on an ota-flashed n9 | 04:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Found device RM-696, hardware revision 1603 NOLO version 2.1.5 Version of 'sw-release': DFL61_HARMATTAN_20.2011.40-4_PR_001 | 04:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ^ something like that | 04:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but that's from an NSU-flashed n9 | 04:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | note that checking will cause a reboot | 04:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | my beautiful uptime, ruined :p | 04:19 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | hmm, it looks like newegg is no longer stocking the N9 | 06:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | they must have been closing them out when they lowered the price to $470 | 06:16 |
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| ieatlint | they probably just bought a pallet of them and never restocked | 06:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: heh, good point | 06:48 |
| ieatlint | they did the same thing with the n900 | 06:48 |
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| djszapi | npm: ping | 07:18 |
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| djszapi | is there a way of changing my ovi username without contacting the customer support ? | 08:07 |
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| artemma | djszapi: are you kidding us? Email support is THE way for interacting with anything related to nokia development websites :) | 08:50 |
| artemma | And for real efficiency you are to contact people you know personally, not via general email | 08:51 |
| djszapi | artemma: heh | 08:51 |
| djszapi | well they picked up an insane username for me :P | 08:51 |
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| djszapi | whereas, I can apparently creater a new user. | 08:52 |
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| djszapi | Support website: shall it be the bugtracker or the website of tha pplication ? | 08:57 |
| djszapi | the application* | 08:57 |
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| artemma | I'd go for nokia publisher support email | 08:58 |
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| artemma | they seem to know where to direct not very related requests | 08:58 |
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| artemma | worked a couple of times for me | 08:58 |
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| djszapi | artemma: you need to pass a website too | 09:00 |
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| artemma | ? | 09:00 |
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| djszapi | this is the entry: "Support website". | 09:01 |
| artemma | sorry, I don't get what you are talking about | 09:01 |
| artemma | but that's ok :) | 09:02 |
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| djszapi | artemma: have you ever filled apps to ovi ? | 09:02 |
| djszapi | they do request you to give a support website ... | 09:03 |
| artemma | Some 5-6 apps | 09:03 |
| djszapi | for the content in question... | 09:03 |
| artemma | are, yeah, indeed | 09:03 |
| beford | i just put an url with a form in it :D | 09:03 |
| beford | i've seen others with just a link to the homepage of the project | 09:03 |
| artemma | nearly any web page works | 09:03 |
| artemma | It should just say something about your app and/or provide a way for questions | 09:04 |
| artemma | I like using services like uservoice.com , etc | 09:04 |
| beford | I saw you got your app published artemma | 09:04 |
| artemma | most of such services let you create one support site/forum for free | 09:04 |
| artemma | I don't have many apps, so there are enough uservoice competitors for free support forums for my apps :) | 09:05 |
| artemma | beford: indeed, last couple of apps were published just yesterday | 09:05 |
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| * artemma was surprised to find two (2!) positive reviews for a paid version not from friends within hours after publication | 09:05 | |
| beford | lol | 09:06 |
| beford | did you manually check the countries to get the app published? | 09:06 |
| beford | if you check the 'all' at the top it doesn't publish it to China | 09:06 |
| artemma | djszapi: go to my ovi store publisher page, click through my apps and visit their support pages. Then you can choose - http://store.ovi.com/publisher/Artem%20Software | 09:06 |
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| artemma | some apps are for Symbian only, so you may like to deselect the phone model | 09:07 |
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| artemma | beford: that's a gimmik. I mean the workaround takes two clicks :) | 09:07 |
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| djszapi | already uploaded my stuff | 09:08 |
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| artemma | they just had to put this thing for legal reasons | 09:08 |
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| artemma | djszapi: congrats! | 09:08 |
| artemma | what's the app? | 09:08 |
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| beford | i've got like 30 chinese customers (which gives the same amount of euros that 3 USA customers xD) | 09:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | beford artemma: don't they exclude china because of some rather complicated requirements involving e.g. having a chinese front company | 09:08 |
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| artemma | beford: my Daily Wallpaper (20K+ downloads) has about 90-95% downloads from china | 09:08 |
| artemma | it's the only major market where N9 was pushed for real | 09:09 |
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| djszapi | artemma: is it a problem to upload128x128 image ? | 09:09 |
| djszapi | I do not really 256x256 icon for instance (not I am not asking the screenshot) | 09:09 |
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| beford | I belive the 256x256 icon is used when browsing ovi store from desktop | 09:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im04d40RPL8&feature=related | 09:11 |
| djszapi | I do not really have 256x256... | 09:11 |
| djszapi | I mean not even higher resolution | 09:12 |
| djszapi | so I cannot scale the version 128x128 nicely. | 09:12 |
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| beford | well they check the dimension of images, you will probably have to upscale it before uploading it or it will be rejected | 09:12 |
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| djszapi | it is not enabled to upload this way | 09:14 |
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| djszapi | but scaling up will not really make any good | 09:14 |
| beford | yea :/ | 09:14 |
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| djszapi | heh: "Alert: Image must be square. ". | 09:16 |
| djszapi | it is really for desktop then :) | 09:16 |
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| beford | yea it sucks :D | 09:17 |
| beford | I had to do a lot of cropping of the screenshot to get it square | 09:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what if you crop a screenshot | 09:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | er, just too late, heh | 09:17 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: apologies if i was being a bit harsh earlier | 09:18 |
| djszapi | no worries :) | 09:19 |
| * djszapi apologizes too | 09:19 | |
| djszapi | beford: Alert: Image must be square. -> still, even if I scaled the svgz | 09:20 |
| beford | gimp has this 'zealous crop' thing that removes empty spaces, I used it | 09:20 |
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| beford | uhmm maybe uploaded the wrong file? widht and height are the same? | 09:21 |
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| djszapi | beford: http://minus.com/m6bDycoo8#1 | 09:21 |
| beford | yea, its ok 256x256 | 09:22 |
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| djszapi | beford: zealous crop makes the 256x256 aspect ratio wrong ... | 09:24 |
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| djszapi | it puts into 230x256 state which is not acceptable by Ovi. | 09:25 |
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| beford | oh I meant for the screenshot, to try to get most of components of your application in the 256x256 screenshot | 09:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that icon is definitely pretty blurry... | 09:25 |
| djszapi | beford: it is not the screenshot. | 09:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | might it be possible to try one of those "smart" geometry-aware scaling algorithms | 09:26 |
| djszapi | I already made that | 09:26 |
| djszapi | they ask for an "Image" too whatever it is. | 09:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | e.g. the scaling filters that emulators use | 09:26 |
| beford | djszapi, yes I know, sorry for the confusion | 09:26 |
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| djszapi | no idea how to get a working image ;-) | 09:26 |
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| djszapi | http://minus.com/mwTD2Rxe0#1 -> here is the svgz, if someone would like to help me with this. | 09:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | wait, you've got an svg? | 09:29 |
| beford | svgz is scalable.. | 09:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then just rerasterize it at the right dimension... | 09:29 |
| djszapi | well I tried scale | 09:29 |
| djszapi | to 256x256 | 09:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh, maybe it's an svg with a raster image inside | 09:29 |
| djszapi | but ovi complained about this rectangle/square thingy | 09:29 |
| djszapi | anybody is welcome for generating a proper 256x256 image out of that svgz :) | 09:30 |
| beford | that's weird, try to remove the current image | 09:30 |
| beford | get out of the page | 09:30 |
| beford | and go back inside | 09:30 |
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| djszapi | no way I would like to fill everything in again | 09:30 |
| djszapi | sorry for that | 09:30 |
| beford | no you dont | 09:31 |
| beford | save | 09:31 |
| djszapi | pinheiro: artist help needed :) | 09:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the svg scales | 09:31 |
| beford | http://i.imgur.com/tyn3s.png | 09:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you're using gimp aren't you | 09:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | load up inkscape | 09:31 |
| djszapi | pinheiro: how to make an ovi compatible image out of my svgz ? http://minus.com/mwTD2Rxe0#1 | 09:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | import the svg, set the dimensions to x by 256, pad it out if it isn't square | 09:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rasterize to png | 09:31 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | vector graphics need vector tools | 09:31 |
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| djszapi | I did that | 09:32 |
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| djszapi | and that was not acceptable by ovi as I said :) | 09:32 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: because you skipped the padding step i guess | 09:32 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | but what you linked earlier wasn't scaled correctly i think, it was blurry | 09:32 |
| djszapi | ovi does not care about blurryness | 09:33 |
| djszapi | and I did this zealous crop | 09:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | "zealous crop" was a gimp feature, right? | 09:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i said to use inkscape | 09:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's a world of difference between the two | 09:33 |
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| djszapi | beford: your png is not good either: Alert: Image must be square. | 09:33 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: definitely. | 09:33 |
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| beford | djszapi, yea, it IS good, I believe it is caching your old image still. | 09:34 |
| beford | it happened to me. | 09:34 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: I have never used... | 09:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | meanwhile, go listen to this :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTLivTthvrk&feature=related | 09:35 |
| beford | ajax madness | 09:35 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, i wasn't aware gimp could even load svg files...i'm surprised | 09:35 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | but what it'll do is rasterize it at the reference size when you load it, destroying the vector goodness | 09:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so gimp is a dead end path | 09:35 |
| djszapi | beford: Does your content adhere to Content Guidelines? -> maybe because of the "Yes" answer here ? | 09:36 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: even gwenview can load svgz files. | 09:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: the point is that gimp is a raster editor | 09:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and it's irrelevant whether ovi rejects blurry images | 09:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | your blurry image is the first thing the user sees about your app | 09:36 |
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| djszapi | beford: holy crap, I lost everything after back/forth :/ | 09:37 |
| djszapi | I can fill in everything again *facepalm* | 09:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | tbh it's been forever since i last used inkscape so i can't help you there though | 09:37 |
| beford | I did not say go back | 09:37 |
| beford | I said there is a save button there | 09:38 |
| djszapi | there is none ? | 09:38 |
| beford | let me create a test item | 09:38 |
| djszapi | and it was not a caching issue | 09:39 |
| djszapi | same issue all over again | 09:39 |
| djszapi | damn... I did not think it is that hard to create an icon for ovi out of an svg :) | 09:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: well, what's the dimension of the image | 09:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm tempted to just do the resize to shut you guys up >_> | 09:40 |
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| beford | I did resize it | 09:41 |
| beford | xD | 09:41 |
| beford | wait I'm trying | 09:41 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: we both did resize. | 09:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: but what's the actual dimension of the png file you're uploading | 09:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (you are uploading a png right) | 09:41 |
| djszapi | I showed the link right | 09:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that link is dead now :( | 09:42 |
| djszapi | it was 256x256 that you even mentioned "blurry". | 09:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i wasn't actually sure about the dimension though | 09:42 |
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| djszapi | any debian developer here ? | 09:43 |
| Venemo_N950 | hey guys :) | 09:44 |
| djszapi | sup | 09:44 |
| djszapi | beford: btw, do you also check the "Yes" for that Contents Guidline question ? | 09:44 |
| djszapi | Content Guidelines* | 09:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw nokia has some very specific manuals about how to go through the publishing process | 09:44 |
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| djszapi | yeah, read that :) | 09:45 |
| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, Puzzle Master has passed Ovi QA! :) | 09:45 |
| djszapi | you said it last time too... | 09:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also what's the debian question...i know enough to be dangerous :p | 09:46 |
| Venemo_N950 | but it hasn't appeared in the store yet... :( | 09:46 |
| Venemo_N950 | I know, patience is a virtue | 09:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: btw could you reup your thumbnail again | 09:46 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: looking for a contact address | 09:46 |
| djszapi | there is a debian guy I would like to contact :) | 09:46 |
| djszapi | wondering if he has IRC contact for instance. | 09:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh ok | 09:46 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | i think most debian official business is done through email...email addresses are all over debian packages | 09:47 |
| djszapi | yeah, I know his email... | 09:47 |
| djszapi | online communication is just sometimes way easier :) | 09:47 |
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| befr0d | erm, not sure if you read me | 09:48 |
| befr0d | <beford> content created djszapi | 09:48 |
| befr0d | <beford> with the icon.png I uploaded | 09:48 |
| befr0d | <beford> are you sure the screenshot is square? | 09:48 |
| befr0d | <beford> I used gimp to make a square and it did a 829x830 image, got an error there | 09:48 |
| befr0d | <beford> had to adjust the canvas size manually | 09:48 |
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| djszapi | http://minus.com/mAdl0bZqR#1 | 09:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also djszapi: i just tested, it's trivial to rasterize with inkscape | 09:49 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | so load that up and do it right | 09:49 |
| befr0d | lol | 09:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | file > export bitmap... | 09:49 |
| befr0d | that's not square djszapi | 09:49 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | use width and height boxes to control dimensions | 09:49 |
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| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: that is apparently not the issue here. | 09:49 |
| djszapi | beford: I used this command: gst-launch ximagesrc num-buffers=1 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! dspjpegenc ! filesink location=shot.jpg | 09:49 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: right, but once you submit it you can't go back | 09:50 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | but what about the thumbnail you're trying to upload right now | 09:50 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | it doesn't matter if it's the issue if it needs to be corrected anyway | 09:50 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: I do not wanna go back | 09:50 |
| befr0d | djszapi, you NEED to make the screenshot square | 09:50 |
| befr0d | like, same width and height | 09:50 |
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| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: I am not interested in correcting that because it is all fine with me. | 09:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: then you'll put people off from your app | 09:50 |
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| djszapi | befr0d: how to do that with gst-launch10 or any other available command ? | 09:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and if you don't want people to be attracted to your app, you might as well stop wasting your time now | 09:51 |
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| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: I do not think that would have such a big effect. | 09:51 |
| djszapi | and as I said, I do not personally find it a too big issue | 09:51 |
| befr0d | he can change the icon later if he wants though | 09:51 |
| djszapi | I think so, too yes | 09:51 |
| djszapi | when I have more time. | 09:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if somebody doesn't put in attention to detail when it comes to spelling/grammar, rasterizing icons, descriptions, etc., why bother with the app in the first place | 09:51 |
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| djszapi | befr0d: so how to make a square screenshot from cli ? | 09:52 |
| befr0d | yea, once it gets acceptad small changes get approved easy | 09:52 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: because you do not publish a god sotware in 0.1 | 09:52 |
| djszapi | software | 09:52 |
| djszapi | especially if it is simple to fix later like in this special case. | 09:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | eh...anyway | 09:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also *this* is an application for that gimp feature | 09:53 |
| befr0d | djszapi, I'm checking hold on :) | 09:54 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: I know inkscape | 09:54 |
| djszapi | and what it is good for | 09:54 |
| djszapi | I have just neved used, and I do not have time for it right now | 09:54 |
| djszapi | what is the problem ? :) | 09:54 |
| befr0d | inkscape is awesome though | 09:54 |
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| djszapi | befr0d: http://paste.kde.org/206396/ | 09:55 |
| befr0d | I prefer convert/imagemagick | 09:55 |
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| befr0d | never used gst-things :P | 09:55 |
| djszapi | why take the wrong screenshot and then convert, if we could perhaps take the right directly ? | 09:56 |
| befr0d | I dont even know | 09:56 |
| befr0d | xD | 09:56 |
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| befr0d | I took the screenshot with the app, and edited it manually | 09:56 |
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| djszapi | I am a console guy :P | 09:56 |
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| djszapi | there is also this screenshot-tool-qt | 09:57 |
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| djszapi | or scrot in the community repository I packaged | 09:57 |
| djszapi | but gst is available in Nokia rpeository... | 09:57 |
| djszapi | so that would be the coolest way | 09:57 |
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| befr0d | djszapi, http://store.ovi.com/content/252716?clickSource=browse&categoryId=20&contentArea=applications&pos=2 | 09:58 |
| befr0d | check that for example | 09:58 |
| befr0d | just add the empty borders | 09:58 |
| befr0d | side by side | 09:58 |
| befr0d | (but it looks small and you can't really see anything there) | 09:59 |
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| djszapi | befr0d: asked on the internal mailing list | 10:00 |
| djszapi | let us see what they react :) | 10:00 |
| befr0d | so what I did was, use gimp zealouse thing and cropped the heck out of it http://i.imgur.com/qmhbU.png | 10:00 |
| * djszapi needs to get up | 10:00 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/02/09/building-windows-for-the-arm-processor-architecture.aspx i don't understand what ms thinks they're doing | 10:00 |
| djszapi | 10:00, and I should work at Nokia, already... | 10:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | windows arm is going to be the worst of the iPad combined with the worst of windows for desktops | 10:01 |
| befr0d | also, that small screenshot is just for the ovi page you will be able to upload an appropiaded ratio image later | 10:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (note the part where it mentions that compiling normal win32 code against arm windows is verboten) | 10:01 |
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| djszapi | befr0d: so could you create a square screenshot out of mine ? | 10:25 |
| befr0d | money money | 10:26 |
| befr0d | just kidding, let me see | 10:26 |
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| * gri just took two screenshots and put them together in one squared with gimp | 11:08 | |
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| gri | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4691970/web2sms/square1.png is also squared and looks nice :) | 11:08 |
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| gri | djszapi: Is it forbidden to add a new apt-url from my .deb when it comes over ovi? | 11:20 |
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| djszapi | befr0d: did you have any luck ? | 11:23 |
| befr0d | http://i.imgur.com/gyNjf.png try ? | 11:24 |
| befr0d | also, have you tried to use http://apps.javispedro.com/nit/hicg/ to create a harmattan styled icon? | 11:24 |
| djszapi | wow, that one is a really crappy modification | 11:24 |
| djszapi | not you fault, I know | 11:24 |
| befr0d | some prefer apps to use the same style | 11:24 |
| befr0d | yea :P | 11:24 |
| djszapi | but I would rather prefer the extended square with empty space.s | 11:24 |
| djszapi | it breaks the reality seriously. | 11:24 |
| djszapi | befr0d: I do have icon according to the harmattan guideline, but that is not the question here. | 11:25 |
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| gri | djszapi: While waiting you could have done the image transformation with QPainter in 5 minutes :P | 11:28 |
| djszapi | no braindead ideas pls :) | 11:29 |
| djszapi | those are worse than the marketing materials seriously :) | 11:29 |
| gri | imagemagick also has commandline tools | 11:29 |
| djszapi | except that imagemagick is not available on harmattan | 11:30 |
| gri | I thought you try it on a normal computer | 11:30 |
| djszapi | no, that is not the best way for me. | 11:30 |
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| djszapi | I would like to take a square screenshot right away | 11:30 |
| djszapi | not taking a "bad" one, and then fix it. | 11:30 |
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| gri | for what? | 11:31 |
| djszapi | can you rephrase this question ? I do not understand. | 11:31 |
| gri | those squared pictures are not even visible on harmattan's ovi store client | 11:31 |
| gri | they are just on the crappy website | 11:31 |
| djszapi | what do I care if there is a requirement for the format ? | 11:31 |
| djszapi | I need to accomplish it, that is all. | 11:32 |
| gri | I just wanted to say: You will need both formats (squared and rectangular) | 11:32 |
| djszapi | that is not what the page says to me. | 11:32 |
| gri | it will | 11:32 |
| gri | when you submit the .deb, it asks again for screenshots | 11:33 |
| djszapi | and even if it said that..I do not see your point | 11:33 |
| djszapi | I would take the right screenshots directly. | 11:33 |
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| djszapi | befr0d: this is not acceptable by Ovi either: http://minus.com/mC3vIFUII#1 cannot believe it ... | 11:36 |
| gri | square = 1x1, 400x400 ... | 11:38 |
| djszapi | and it is 1x1... | 11:40 |
| befr0d | yea, same width as height | 11:40 |
| befr0d | how come 1x1 ? xD | 11:40 |
| djszapi | 854x854 | 11:40 |
| SpeedEvil | 0x0 | 11:40 |
| befr0d | oh | 11:40 |
| befr0d | yea | 11:40 |
| djszapi | what wouldn't be 1x1 ? | 11:40 |
| befr0d | it is | 11:40 |
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| gri | djszapi: it is but maybe it's too big? | 11:41 |
| befr0d | did not see the empty white bars | 11:41 |
| djszapi | no | 11:41 |
| djszapi | read the requirements pls. | 11:41 |
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| befr0d | up to 2000x2000 yea | 11:41 |
| djszapi | befr0d: I do not frankly see the "Save" option you mentioned previously. :) | 11:42 |
| befr0d | it accepted it to me | 11:42 |
| befr0d | djszapi, can you try just uploading an empty 10x10 image? | 11:43 |
| befr0d | you can change it in the next screen again | 11:43 |
| befr0d | just so you dont have to reenter all the fields | 11:43 |
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| djszapi | png was accepted | 11:43 |
| djszapi | jpg was not | 11:43 |
| djszapi | how weird. | 11:43 |
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| djszapi | even though the jpg size (53 KB) is way under the limit. | 11:44 |
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| befr0d | png ftw | 11:44 |
| befr0d | xD | 11:44 |
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| befr0d | by the way ovi publishing seems to be under heavy load got that message a couple of times | 11:45 |
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| djszapi | I get messages every single day like that :P | 11:45 |
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| frals | http://www.amazon.com/Meego-Mobile-Application-Development-Cookbook/dp/1849690324 ;< | 11:50 |
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| djszapi | what do you guys click on here ? http://imagebin.org/198195 The application works with all languages in the same logic, but are they more or less interested in localization/internationalization in here ? | 12:20 |
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| pyhimys | can I import contacts on shell with lca-tool? | 13:08 |
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| pyhimys | apparently not | 13:10 |
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| pyhimys | http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950#Import_From_VCF_files | 13:15 |
| djszapi | that is my writing :) | 13:16 |
| djszapi | not sure what lca-tool is ... | 13:16 |
| djszapi | but you can use vcardconverter ? | 13:16 |
| gri | djszapi: I selected "global" | 13:20 |
| djszapi | gri: and did you have localization/internationalization ? | 13:21 |
| gri | I have only english, german, french and spanish | 13:21 |
| pyhimys | djszapi: vcardconverter seems to work :) | 13:21 |
| gri | but the program defaults to english | 13:21 |
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| djszapi | gri: did it not fail at the QA stage? | 13:23 |
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| djszapi | that is strange. | 13:23 |
| gri | djszapi: No but there was something different | 13:24 |
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| gri | they asked back if it really is for global distribution since the description of my application mentions only providers for some countries | 13:24 |
| gri | after my reply that this is intended, they allowed global distribution | 13:24 |
| gri | since yours is a game, there should be no problem with global distribution | 13:25 |
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| frals | distribution != needs to be localized | 13:25 |
| frals | im distributing everywhere including china and app is only in english, no complaints from qa | 13:26 |
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| gri | frals: Can chinese people rate applications in ovi store? I have never seen one rating from them. Do they have their own servers where we can't see the ratings?! | 13:27 |
| djszapi | gri: you do not understand | 13:28 |
| djszapi | language != global distribution | 13:28 |
| djszapi | they are separate tabs.. | 13:28 |
| djszapi | gri: and I was indeed asking the language. | 13:29 |
| gri | I have selected "works for all languages" | 13:30 |
| djszapi | yeah, me too | 13:30 |
| djszapi | I can grab 100-105 languages after if needed. | 13:31 |
| djszapi | not sure about the current state in KDE, but I would guess it is around that :) | 13:31 |
| djszapi | after all* | 13:31 |
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| ZogG_laptop | morning | 13:36 |
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| gri | Wow, not much conversation going on here today :) | 17:33 |
| admiral0_ | yep | 17:33 |
| admiral0_ | djszapi is busy | 17:33 |
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| djszapi | well no questions :) | 17:34 |
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| radiofree | everyone too busy hacking on 1.2? | 17:41 |
| befr0d | hola | 17:42 |
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| admiral0 | people | 17:57 |
| admiral0 | how do i know when low power screen kicks in? | 17:57 |
| admiral0 | and when it's not displayed? | 17:57 |
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| admiral0 | <3 QMSystem | 18:31 |
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| radiofree | admiral0: there's a context property for the idle screen | 18:32 |
| radiofree | Screen.Blanked | 18:32 |
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| radiofree | admiral0: https://files.maemo.org/repository/harmattan/documentation/doc/libcontextsubscriber-doc/html/index.html | 18:34 |
| admiral0 | radiofree: QMSystem::QDisplayStatus | 18:34 |
| radiofree | admiral0: ah, there's a Qt api for it as well :) | 18:35 |
| l32606 | hi, does anybody if plugins of the status indicator menu are opensource, such as libstatusindicatormenu-bluetooth.so in /usr/lib/meegotouch/applicationextensions | 18:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | l32606: maybe... | 18:35 |
| admiral0 | l32606: or maybe not | 18:36 |
| l32606 | i try to found them for a long time ... | 18:38 |
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| l32606 | at least, they are not included in the sysuid package. | 18:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | l32606: the file you listed is part of conn-dui-settings-bt | 18:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which i don't see the source of in the nokia data dump here | 18:40 |
| l32606 | :( | 18:41 |
| l32606 | itsnotabigtruck: so maybe these plugins are all closed source | 18:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | l32606: generally almost all of the gui is | 18:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | with bits and pieces as an exception | 18:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i thought it might be oss though because a good chunk of meegotouch is | 18:43 |
| l32606 | itsnotabigtruck: how about libsysuid-volume-nokia.so, another extension. | 18:45 |
| l32606 | and by the way, how can you find libstatusindicatormenu-bluetooth.so is part of conn-dui-setting-bt? | 18:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's system-ui-volume-nokia | 18:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | try it yourself | 18:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | grep filename /var/lib/dpkg/info/* | 18:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | when it matches, the filename stem is the package | 18:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then apt-cache show packagename | 18:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the source line says which source package it is | 18:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the nokia-provided source is a bunch of source packages, so check if it's in the list | 18:47 |
| l32606 | i often get the source from http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/, is it a correct way? | 18:49 |
| l32606 | or i should use the apt-get source? | 18:49 |
| Siva | does anyone know how to read gconf values from qml or say The Publish and Subscribe API ? | 18:50 |
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| l32606 | Siva: you can get the example from here: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Best_practices_for_application_development_Storing_and_managing_application_settings_Example_of_storing_settings_directly_to_GConf.html | 18:52 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | l32606: search for sdk_sources_pr1.1.iso | 18:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the harmattan-beta3 sdk repo is largely out of sync with pr1.1 | 18:57 |
| Siva | l32606: thanks.. exactly what I was looking for! | 18:57 |
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| l32606 | itsnotabigtruck: sorry but could u give me url:). i googled it and only got this:http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/, is that right? | 19:01 |
| l32606 | Siva: with my pleasure...:) | 19:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you only got that because that's it, lol | 19:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nokia only sends their required source code release by mail, mostly to be annoying | 19:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so someone here requested it and imaged it | 19:03 |
| l32606 | oh my...i think there should be an official public version... | 19:04 |
| djszapiN9 | it was thr right way | 19:04 |
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| djszapiN9 | and it had the proper reason why it was that way. | 19:05 |
| l32606 | itsnotabigtruck: got it and thank you sooooo much. | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | l32606: YW, I'm glad my box is doing useful job :-D | 19:06 |
| l32606 | DocScrutinizer51: i didn't konw it's ur website... | 19:11 |
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| Siva | l32606: compiling with qmlRegisterType, results in "main.cpp:17: error: 'qmlRegisterType' was not declared in this scope | 19:19 |
| Siva | " ; Including QDeclarativeItem solves this.. however.. this thread http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/1497 says this issue should have been fixed in Qt 4.7.1 itself.. wondering how I am still seeing this in Qt 4.7.4 in the device.. | 19:19 |
| l32606 | Siva: i do include QDeclarativeItem. but i can remember if met your problem... | 19:31 |
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| Siva | l32606: I meant.. in Qt 4.7.4 shouldn't qmlRegisterType be derived from QDeclarativeEngine.. | 19:33 |
| * djszapi never had such an issue even in qt 4.7.0 | 19:34 | |
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| djszapi | or what version was available one and half years ago | 19:35 |
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| djszapi | Will I get emails all the time from Ovi automatically if there is an issue during the 7-8 days by the time it gets published ? | 20:20 |
| djszapi | or shall I follow the updates manually every single day ? | 20:20 |
| befr0d | the emails take a while to arrive | 20:20 |
| befr0d | I belive mine was published a couple of hours before getting the mail | 20:21 |
| djszapi | not just about publishing, but any issues during the process. | 20:21 |
| befr0d | yea, same thing, they will mail you | 20:22 |
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| ieatlint | confirmed: make a coworkers awkward by telling telling him you can't drive him somewhere after work because you have an appointment with a prostitute, and it'd cost extra if he came to | 20:26 |
| djszapi | befr0d: how much did it take you to get the package into ovi (published) ? Ovi writes 5-7 days, but people keep telling more, at least 7-8 days. | 20:28 |
| befr0d | yea it took like 10 for mine, first time it failed at the second day because it would not run on 1.0 | 20:31 |
| djszapi | we tested against all the variants. | 20:33 |
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| befr0d | good :) | 20:35 |
| djszapi | build and runtime. | 20:36 |
| deram | anyone having problems with swype+terminal using alternative suggestions while writing | 20:37 |
| deram | the original word is not deleted before the selected duggestion is written | 20:38 |
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| blueslee | has someone else the issue that an event pops up in the lockscreen but does not disappear afterwards? | 20:45 |
| blueslee | calendar event, incoming call etc ... reboot makes this event disappear but the next one will behave the same way | 20:48 |
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| Sindriava | Help! I just updated to PR1.1 | 23:31 |
| Sindriava | and i can't connect to wifi anymore | 23:31 |
| Sindriava | I connected | 23:31 |
| Sindriava | downloaded 2 apps (after the update) | 23:31 |
| Sindriava | and then i disconnected and i can't connect anymore | 23:31 |
| jonni | reboot you wifi accesspoint or device :) | 23:32 |
| Sindriava | I rebooted the device, it didn't help -_- | 23:33 |
| Sindriava | and the accesspoint is fine | 23:33 |
| Sindriava | i am connected with my laptop right now | 23:33 |
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| Sindriava | I just select the wifi, it works for a few seconds | 23:33 |
| Mek | for me existing connections to my accesspoints are often fine, but making a new connection only works after rebooting the accesspoint | 23:34 |
| Sindriava | then a notification pops up saying it failed | 23:34 |
| Sindriava | I seem to have a VERY bad signal | 23:34 |
| Sindriava | just the dot in the wifi icon | 23:34 |
| Sindriava | and my laptop gets about 75% | 23:34 |
| Sindriava | (i am like... 6 meters away from the AP) | 23:35 |
| Sindriava | It seems to have appeared after installing the Air UI app | 23:35 |
| Sindriava | or the update | 23:35 |
| Sindriava | And it repeatedly asks for the wifi AP | 23:37 |
| Sindriava | the list of networks pops up randomly | 23:37 |
| Sindriava | It's _really_ annoying | 23:39 |
| Sindriava | Any idea? | 23:40 |
| Sindriava | The connection WAS working. I downloaded 2 apps | 23:40 |
| Sindriava | then it suddenly stopped working | 23:40 |
| Sindriava | and the double tap wakeup seems to have worse sensitivity after the update >_< | 23:41 |
| Sindriava | Anyone? | 23:42 |
| jonni | well uninstall those 2 apps and see if it helps | 23:45 |
| Sindriava | i already uninstalled the air ui | 23:46 |
| Sindriava | and rebooted | 23:46 |
| Sindriava | but a notification about it being disabled appeard | 23:46 |
| Sindriava | i think | 23:46 |
| Sindriava | O_o | 23:46 |
| jonni | you need to uninstall the other apps too that it installs | 23:47 |
| Sindriava | How? | 23:47 |
| Sindriava | i uninstalled the two i installed | 23:48 |
| jonni | air ui page has support email | 23:48 |
| Sindriava | and now, in the Settings > Applications i see only the default apps | 23:48 |
| jonni | "Note that on installation you will be prompted to accept an additional application and restart the phone to complete the process." -> that says that when you installed air ui, it installed 3rd application | 23:48 |
| Sindriava | And where do i find it? ._. | 23:49 |
| Sindriava | It's not in the app list | 23:49 |
| jonni | by asking air ui support email what dpkg -P command you must do in developer mode | 23:49 |
| Sindriava | Just great. Really. | 23:49 |
| Sindriava | Argh. | 23:49 |
| Sindriava | I really want the phone working now, not when the air ui support wants to answer me | 23:50 |
| Sindriava | and i can't enable developer mode | 23:50 |
| Sindriava | since i can't connect to wifi | 23:50 |
| Sindriava | and install the additional content | 23:50 |
| Sindriava | >.> | 23:50 |
| jonni | wifi isnt needed for developer mode, it can install it through gprs / 3g just fine | 23:51 |
| Sindriava | Who said i had 3g? >.> | 23:51 |
| Sindriava | Is the system really THAT unstable? | 23:51 |
| jonni | (hopefully you have your sim card slot installed as that is the wifi antenna) | 23:51 |
| Sindriava | What do you mean by installed? | 23:52 |
| Sindriava | like inserted in the phone? | 23:52 |
| jonni | yep | 23:52 |
| Sindriava | yes | 23:52 |
| Sindriava | it's in, secured by the usb cover | 23:52 |
| jonni | well if you have managed to mess up your sw by installing broken 3rd party sw, then its factory reset or uninstall the offending packages, or waiting for pr1.2 | 23:54 |
| Sindriava | WTF | 23:55 |
| jonni | or testing another wifi accesspoint to see if that is having low signal | 23:55 |
| Sindriava | I was standing right under the AP | 23:55 |
| Sindriava | i got to about 85% on the phone | 23:55 |
| Sindriava | it literally says "Internet connection not working" | 23:55 |
| jonni | well that doesnt tell anything, I've had tons of AP's that have been broken, usually all my wifi APs break between 1-2years after I have bought them | 23:56 |
| Sindriava | The AP works JUST FINE | 23:56 |
| jonni | 6th wifi AP in 3 years for me | 23:56 |
| Sindriava | I am on it right now | 23:56 |
| Sindriava | and the phone WAS connected on it | 23:56 |
| Sindriava | then it suddenly disconnected | 23:56 |
| Sindriava | god | 23:57 |
| jonni | uninstall, reflash, or try changing accesspoints name and setup it again in n9 | 23:57 |
| Sindriava | i did uninstall | 23:58 |
| Sindriava | "reflash" | 23:58 |
| Sindriava | just great >.> | 23:58 |
| jonni | or your ISP might have some connectivity routing problems that ping test to interner just happens to fail which return connection not working | 23:58 |
| jonni | or what was the other apps name that you installed? | 23:59 |
| Sindriava | flashlight | 23:59 |
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