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| ieatlint | hah, so a major nokia manager has stated that there is no plan b should wp7 fail | 00:50 |
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| ieatlint | not that there was much question that harmattan was truly dead | 00:51 |
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| Venemo_N950 | hey | 00:54 |
| admiral0 | ieatlint: eh? explain | 00:54 |
| ieatlint | from an interview in swedish originally... http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/08/nokia-we-dont-have-a-plan-b/ | 00:54 |
| admiral0 | fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu | 00:55 |
| ieatlint | plan b is they liquidate i suspect | 00:56 |
| ieatlint | (their smart phone biz) | 00:56 |
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| Venemo_N950 | who cares anymore? | 00:57 |
| ieatlint | they're not on a burning platform anymore, they're on one that has yet to break the water surface | 00:57 |
| ieatlint | Venemo_N950: it's like watching a train wreck | 00:57 |
| ieatlint | you can't look away | 00:57 |
| Venemo_N950 | Harmattan was not a burning platform, it just suffered from mismanagement | 00:58 |
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| ieatlint | symbian was | 00:58 |
| ieatlint | is | 00:58 |
| faenil | evening | 00:58 |
| Venemo_N950 | srsly, why doesn't Nokia just ship 10 more Harmattan devices???? | 00:58 |
| Venemo_N950 | Harmattan requires very little polishing | 00:59 |
| Venemo_N950 | and everyone loves the ui | 00:59 |
| ieatlint | because a successful mobile platform these days requires 3rd party app support | 01:00 |
| ieatlint | and even wp7 has better app support than harmattan | 01:00 |
| ieatlint | nokia tried VERY hard to get 3rd party apps written for symbian/harmattan | 01:01 |
| ieatlint | they were laughed away most of the time | 01:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: well, maybe they said that just to reaffirm how committed they are to wp7 or something | 01:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you know, "there's no plan b because we KNOW plan a will work" | 01:01 |
| Clint | "failure is not an option" | 01:01 |
| ieatlint | itsnotabigtruck: no idea... i also don't know nokia's management structure. it's also very possible he simply isn't actually aware of all the projects/plans | 01:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but yeah, nokia is sort of like the van in inception | 01:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | relevant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOodDxr0pzs | 01:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that said, the big wp7 plan could work...i suppose the idea is to reposition themselves as the /premium/ wp7 vendor | 01:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because the other wp7 phones out there just don't seem very premium | 01:04 |
| ieatlint | at the end of the second quarter, they'll have a good idea what will happen | 01:04 |
| ieatlint | nokia wp7 devices have gone on sale in the US, or are about it | 01:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, a big part of the problem is: where is a huge part of software development done | 01:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the US | 01:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the market that nokia has continually ignored for about 10 years | 01:05 |
| ieatlint | if by the end of q2 they don't see any real adoption... | 01:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if most programmers don't know what symbian even is, why would they program for it | 01:06 |
| ieatlint | haha, i got into a rather.. "heated" discussion with knut about that last winter, and how nokia failed so badly in the US | 01:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also something like harmattan is what nokia should have centered around 3 or 4 years ago | 01:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | symbian touchscreen was an abject failure | 01:06 |
| ieatlint | he tried to explain to me how it's cheaper for me to buy my phones out-right rather than get a discount and sign a contract with a carrier | 01:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it was really good on phones like the E71 | 01:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but symbian s60 has a gui that's based entirely on keypad controlled popup menus and such, you can't just slap a touchscreen on top of that | 01:07 |
| ieatlint | s/can't/shouldn't/ | 01:08 |
| admiral0 | yep | 01:08 |
| ieatlint | they shouldn't have done it.. they did | 01:08 |
| admiral0 | the new symbian belle is nice | 01:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, symbian s60 phones are more "phones with smarts" than "smartphones" | 01:08 |
| admiral0 | but it's years late | 01:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nothing wrong with that, my e71 was the stuff back in the day | 01:08 |
| ieatlint | and thus, a platform developed in like 1994 is still being released on phones today | 01:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it means that you can't put that against the iphone and modern top-of-the-line android phones | 01:08 |
| ieatlint | MS took less time to go "oh shit, maybe we should stop this" ... they learnt a little from windows me anyway | 01:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, while it can be cheaper to buy unlocked, a) nokia isn't the only company selling unlocked phones, and b) nokia did zero marketing in north america | 01:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nobody ever got ad blitzed about the n95, e71, n97, etc. | 01:10 |
| ieatlint | there were n95 adverts where i live | 01:10 |
| ieatlint | on bus stops and such | 01:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if no one hears about their products, why would they buy them, cost effective or not | 01:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | all that aside, as much as i dislike nokia dumping maemo/harmattan the lumia 900 could move some units | 01:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though the 900 looks too large | 01:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it seems like the trend is toward gigantic phones that barely fit in a pocket, i don't understand | 01:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's smaller android phones but they're all low-spec low-end models | 01:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the N9 is already imo stretching the limit of pocketability, and it's smaller than a lot of the android phones | 01:12 |
| ieatlint | eh, wp7 faces some of the same issues harmattan would've... namely, momentum | 01:13 |
| ieatlint | people want iphone and android | 01:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | wp7 has a tonne of games | 01:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | fewer than iphone i'm sure, but wp7 does have xbl integration | 01:13 |
| admiral0 | itsnotabigtruck: are you kidding? | 01:16 |
| admiral0 | games? | 01:17 |
| admiral0 | now you can only develop in XNA. | 01:17 |
| ieatlint | i'm pretty sure harmattan failed because it didn't have a grindr app | 01:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | admiral0: yeah, but xna also makes it way easier to implement games | 01:18 |
| admiral0 | nope | 01:18 |
| ieatlint | games that can't be ported to/from wp7 | 01:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also it makes it fairly easy to port in stuff from xbox live arcade | 01:18 |
| admiral0 | consider this | 01:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also there's a number of pc games built in xna | 01:18 |
| ieatlint | xna is kinda odd from the very little i've seen | 01:18 |
| admiral0 | you have a game for android/iPhone | 01:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not all xbox live arcade games are xna based, but some are | 01:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | those can be ported | 01:19 |
| admiral0 | you cannot have a C++ lib/engine | 01:19 |
| admiral0 | and change things in the frontend | 01:19 |
| admiral0 | you have to rewrite everything | 01:19 |
| admiral0 | and you don't have XNA on other devices | 01:20 |
| admiral0 | so why should you port? | 01:20 |
| ieatlint | because nokia sold 600k lumias in 2011, and that's a LOT! | 01:21 |
| admiral0 | sure | 01:21 |
| ieatlint | yeah, the native lib and opengl support of harmattan were big advantages | 01:22 |
| admiral0 | they also seem to have sold more N9 | 01:22 |
| ieatlint | oh look, it uses industry-wide specs? weird! | 01:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | keep in mind the lumia launched in late 2011 and there's many other wp7 phones already out there | 01:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's certainly well more than 600k wp7 phones total out there | 01:23 |
| ieatlint | finding a wp7 phone in the wild has proven less common than finding a webos phone in my experience | 01:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also the lumia 900 hasn't launched yet and i expect nokia to push that hard in the us | 01:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though android and iphone already dominated the market | 01:24 |
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| ieatlint | yeah, we'll know when the second quarter figures are out | 01:24 |
| ieatlint | but they're going to have to heavily discount the phones to make sure they move... there's no profit margin on the horizon for them right now | 01:24 |
| ieatlint | (would also be largely true for harmattan) | 01:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no profit margin on a $600 phone? | 01:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, nokia probably sunk a ton of r&d expenditure into harmattan | 01:27 |
| ieatlint | i meant that to move the n9 in large quantities it needs to be subsidized | 01:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but since it was developed assuming it wouldn't be killed the moment it was about to launch, it seems odd to attribute sunk r&d costs to the n9 | 01:27 |
| ieatlint | and for carriers to bother, nokia will need to take a hit | 01:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh, right | 01:28 |
| ieatlint | getting someone to adopt a new phone platform is not always easy... typically price point is going to be the best bet in getting it done | 01:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | of course nokia management themselves ensured the n9 won't move by excluding the largest markets | 01:28 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | uk: nope, germany: nope, usa: nope, canada: nope, france: nope | 01:29 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | (not sure if i got that right) | 01:29 |
| ieatlint | i think it might have sold in france | 01:29 |
| ieatlint | not sure | 01:29 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | they basically excluded all the large western countries | 01:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you know, places with lots of people who would buy expensive phones | 01:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, australia is large physically, but you know what i mean | 01:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | heh | 01:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and i just checked, it wasn't marketed in france | 01:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i think they basically excluded anywhere that they intended to launch a wp7 marketing push later on for | 01:31 |
| ieatlint | ouch, you mean the aussies don't get wp7? | 01:32 |
| ieatlint | poor guys.. | 01:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 01:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, i assume they'll launch it there, but maybe they won't turn the marketing knob to 11 | 01:32 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | btw is it possible that fopen, fread, fwrite, fseek, or fclose could return EINTR | 01:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i've had a hard time finding a precise answer | 01:35 |
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| ieatlint | yes | 01:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: with glibc, on linux? | 01:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (note: not open, read, write, lseek, and close - but the stdio versions) | 01:45 |
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| ieatlint | my man page says that at least fclose can return any error from close/write/fflush | 01:45 |
| ieatlint | which would include EINTR | 01:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | right, i saw that on a stackoverflow post | 01:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but i thought that might be based on the posix standard | 01:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which basically says anything can fail for any reason | 01:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | except a lot of those error conditions don't actually exist in reality | 01:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i just hate writing reams of additional code to handle fringe scenarios like eintr | 01:47 |
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| DrGrov | admiral0: Lpsmagic 1.3 worked flawlessly. No issues at all after rebooting :) | 02:08 |
| admiral0 | good | 02:09 |
| DrGrov | admiral0: Absolutely great work on Lpsmagic. It is a life saver for me :) | 02:09 |
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| artemma | Hey, my two new apps just got published today! | 02:20 |
| * artemma is happy | 02:20 | |
| faenil | :D | 02:21 |
| faenil | congrats! | 02:21 |
| faenil | what are them about | 02:22 |
| artemma | Well, it's free and paid version of the same thing actually. Limits amount of swype languages used - so that you won't need to tap twenty times if you just use two langs | 02:22 |
| faenil | oh ok | 02:22 |
| faenil | :) | 02:22 |
| artemma | #PR12 has same functionality right in settings :D | 02:22 |
| the-boss` | artemma: Error: "PR12" is not a valid command. | 02:22 |
| ieatlint | hah, yeah, that is annoying | 02:22 |
| ieatlint | i just hold down on the language selector and it pops up a menu | 02:23 |
| artemma | though my app still looks nicer and it's faster to get to it than to settings page :D | 02:23 |
| artemma | ieatlint: that's what I hated about swype - wasting lots of time on that dialog | 02:23 |
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| ieatlint | i only seem to hit that when drunk now though :P | 02:24 |
| artemma | BTW, if interested, I can send a paid version e.g. by email | 02:24 |
| artemma | for #harmattan channel developers | 02:25 |
| ieatlint | i might hit you up for that | 02:25 |
| artemma | free version allows you to decrease the number of langs to 8 | 02:25 |
| artemma | Pro lets you live with just one if you want | 02:25 |
| faenil | :) | 02:30 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | btw is there some reason why maemo.org has become so stale | 05:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | t.m.o has become the defacto place to talk about harmattan but the rest of the site is stuck in time | 05:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also the forums relegate harmattan stuff into a corner e.g. no proper place for posting about harmattan apps | 05:04 |
| Jeffrey04 | very much agree | 05:19 |
| Jeffrey04 | why do they get so annoyed with harmattan? | 05:20 |
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| Sazpaimon | Jeffrey04, because most of them cant afford or otherwise cant get an N9 | 05:38 |
| Sazpaimon | however yes, TMO's segregation of harmattan is a bit disgusting | 05:38 |
| Jeffrey04 | imo, i think they get annoyed because harmattan does not come with hildon lol | 05:39 |
| Jeffrey04 | hence the thread asking nokia to revive n900 by releasing a sucessor lol | 05:39 |
| Sazpaimon | with some effort fremantle could be ported to another device | 05:40 |
| Sazpaimon | some major effort | 05:40 |
| Sazpaimon | it'd need to have enough hardware with open source drivers to port to the fremantle kernel | 05:41 |
| Sazpaimon | and then the userland would need a lot of work beyond that | 05:41 |
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| Sazpaimon | but anyone that has that ability knows what a futile effort that is | 05:41 |
| Jeffrey04 | just out of curiousity, what's the difference btw fremantle and cordia | 05:42 |
| Jeffrey04 | nvr had an n900 tho | 05:42 |
| Sazpaimon | fremantle is the actual OS | 05:42 |
| Sazpaimon | fremantle = maemo 5 | 05:42 |
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| Sazpaimon | cordia is a clone of hildon's UI to native gtk | 05:42 |
| Jeffrey04 | yea, i know :) | 05:42 |
| Jeffrey04 | oh | 05:43 |
| Jeffrey04 | so hildon ui is not native gtk? | 05:43 |
| Sazpaimon | though i cant remember if it was ported to Qt | 05:43 |
| Sazpaimon | hildon is native gtk | 05:43 |
| Sazpaimon | but I believe that hildon's gtk has a lot of patches | 05:43 |
| Jeffrey04 | :) | 05:43 |
| Sazpaimon | and of course hildon-desktop only really works on maemo 5 | 05:44 |
| Sazpaimon | cordia is cross-platform | 05:44 |
| Jeffrey04 | it gets pretty annoying when the community don't like n9 users in general | 05:45 |
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| Sazpaimon | even though libhildon is in debian | 05:45 |
| Jeffrey04 | and nobody knows how long meego.com is gonna survive :P | 05:45 |
| Sazpaimon | nobody know how long maemo.org is going to survive | 05:45 |
| Jeffrey04 | lol | 05:46 |
| Sazpaimon | nokia could theoretically pull the plug on the site at any time | 05:46 |
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| djszapi | wow, I had some sweet dreams. I was invited to a conference for a talk, and next billion devices were given out lol | 05:47 |
| Sazpaimon | Jeffrey04, the thing about the N9 and TMO isnt new though | 05:47 |
| Sazpaimon | when N900 came out there was hostility from N8x0 users | 05:48 |
| Jeffrey04 | lol | 05:48 |
| Jeffrey04 | didn't know that | 05:48 |
| Sazpaimon | people complaining that nokia wasnt focusing on the tablet aspect of maemo anymore | 05:48 |
| Sazpaimon | because N900 was the first maemo device to have cellular capabilitys | 05:48 |
| Sazpaimon | *capabilities | 05:48 |
| Jeffrey04 | :) | 05:48 |
| Sazpaimon | well, unless you include the ill fated N810 wimax edition | 05:48 |
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| Sazpaimon | also I believe maemo 5 had more closed components than maemo 4 | 05:49 |
| Sazpaimon | which raised some ire from people | 05:49 |
| Jeffrey04 | lol, harmattan is definitely > closed than fremantle | 05:50 |
| Sazpaimon | ive heard it all from TMO users though regarding maemo 5 | 05:50 |
| Sazpaimon | "smaller device" "not a tablet" "too closed" "no dpad" | 05:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: lolll | 05:51 |
| Jeffrey04 | hahahahaa | 05:51 |
| Sazpaimon | eventually they adjust | 05:52 |
| Sazpaimon | might not happen with N9 though | 05:52 |
| Jeffrey04 | but n900 users keep claiming they are having a tablet instead of a cellphone | 05:52 |
| Sazpaimon | its too different | 05:52 |
| Jeffrey04 | yea | 05:52 |
| Sazpaimon | nokia billed the N900 as a tablit | 05:52 |
| Sazpaimon | *tablet | 05:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it is a damn shame N9 doesn't have access to maemo's zillion apps | 05:52 |
| Sazpaimon | fuck cant type tonight | 05:52 |
| djszapi | anybody with PR1.1 firmware | 05:53 |
| djszapi | ? | 05:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: yeah, why? | 05:53 |
| Jeffrey04 | n9? | 05:53 |
| Jeffrey04 | i am with pr1.1 | 05:53 |
| Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, the gtk is ported to harmattan | 05:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that reminds me, i need to make a thread for my calendar program before it becomes obsolete | 05:53 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: I have tested my app with PR1.0 and PR1.2, and I need somebody to test with PR1.1 for making sure. | 05:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: well, the GUIs need reformatting though at the very minimum | 05:53 |
| Sazpaimon | not really | 05:54 |
| Sazpaimon | hildon apps are pretty simple | 05:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and quick ports from maemo don't look anything like native apps | 05:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in fact, anything that hasn't had a lot of work put into nativizing it won't look anything like a native app | 05:54 |
| Sazpaimon | well, no, thats true | 05:54 |
| Sazpaimon | but maemo had a long, long time to migrate to Qt | 05:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | e.g. all the harmattan apps with swiss instead of nokia pure | 05:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (i'm guessing swiss is the qml default) | 05:54 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: would you be so kind as to test this simple game then, please ? | 05:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: sure, put the deb somewhere and i'll load it up | 05:55 |
| Sazpaimon | djszapi, is this the anagram game | 05:55 |
| djszapi | yeah | 05:55 |
| Sazpaimon | sorry I abandoned you with that | 05:55 |
| Sazpaimon | my laptop broke down and thats taken my priority now | 05:55 |
| Sazpaimon | still broken btw, the lid broke off | 05:55 |
| Sazpaimon | literally just fell off | 05:56 |
| djszapi | you betrayed me lol !! :) | 05:56 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: https://filetea.me/t1s7e3ca | 05:56 |
| Sazpaimon | I had a maemo 5 chroot running on PR1.0 open mode a while back | 05:56 |
| Sazpaimon | I used the SDK rootstrap | 05:56 |
| Sazpaimon | many prorams worked, some segfaulted | 05:57 |
| Sazpaimon | picodrive worked, for example | 05:57 |
| Sazpaimon | which made my N9 the first to run megadrive games until emumaster did it | 05:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hm, that file site needs better fonts :p | 05:57 |
| djszapi | I wish my dream came to reality :/ | 05:57 |
| Sazpaimon | djszapi, I want your dream | 05:58 |
| Sazpaimon | except they were a billion N950s | 05:58 |
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| Sazpaimon | a billion N950s, thats a lot of dead pixels | 05:59 |
| djszapi | no, I wanna qt5 and qml2 based handsets. | 05:59 |
| Jeffrey04 | i want a proper successor of n9 :P | 05:59 |
| Sazpaimon | check back in 2 years | 06:00 |
| djszapi | there is none | 06:00 |
| djszapi | just pure substitutes. | 06:00 |
| djszapi | poor* | 06:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's absolutely insane that nokia pulled the e-stop on harmattan, yet it still releases cookie cutter symbian phones | 06:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | e.g. the entire current lineup | 06:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | after putting a ton of r&d work into making a fairly polished os that's already better than symbian touch ever was | 06:01 |
| Sazpaimon | symbian belle is really nice though | 06:01 |
| Sazpaimon | at this point symbian is almost completely rewritten | 06:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ok, deb installed | 06:01 |
| Sazpaimon | is belle even backwards compatible with S60? | 06:01 |
| djszapi | guys, have you seen the first cool symbian app ? | 06:01 |
| djszapi | finally there is one ? | 06:01 |
| Sazpaimon | I know anna and S^3 had *some* backwards compatability | 06:02 |
| djszapi | Finally there's a killer app for Symbian, but it's quite a bit too late... http://t-tests.blogspot.com/2012/02/boobies-for-symbian3-phones.html | 06:02 |
| Jeffrey04 | lol | 06:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: erm...i just lost some letters | 06:02 |
| Sazpaimon | but i dont know if belle stripped out any remaining avkon components | 06:03 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | if you select a letter, then deselect it, sometimes it goes back up to the top section, sometimes it disappears | 06:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ah, what's happening is that the letter always goes into the 1st box | 06:03 |
| djszapi | you always deselect the last in the queue ? | 06:03 |
| djszapi | yes | 06:03 |
| djszapi | the box above is the anagram | 06:03 |
| Jeffrey04 | gotta go :P have a nice day guys :) | 06:04 |
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| djszapi | the box below is the destination where you try to fill in the letters in the correct order. | 06:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | right | 06:04 |
| djszapi | not all intuitive | 06:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so if i tap a letter in the anagram, then tap the letter in the destination | 06:04 |
| djszapi | but the most intuitive I found | 06:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which seems to be intended to put the letter back in the anagram | 06:04 |
| djszapi | yes | 06:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the letter instead overwrites the 1st anagram letter and leaves an empty box | 06:04 |
| djszapi | if you tap on a letter | 06:04 |
| djszapi | which was a mistake | 06:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which makes the anagram impossible | 06:05 |
| djszapi | you have a chance to revert it | 06:05 |
| djszapi | what do you mean ? | 06:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just try it...fire up the game, then tap any letter other than the first one | 06:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then tap that letter in the lower section | 06:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | e.g. ARAMNNID | 06:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | tap M | 06:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then tap M again | 06:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | now it's MRA NNID | 06:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | only one A | 06:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | now the anagram can't be solved | 06:06 |
| djszapi | not for me | 06:06 |
| Sazpaimon | I can solve it | 06:06 |
| Sazpaimon | with my IMAGINATION | 06:06 |
| djszapi | it puts back to the correct index | 06:06 |
| djszapi | ARAMNNID here. | 06:07 |
| djszapi | if I deselect the last letter in the queue | 06:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then i suppose that's a pr1.1-specific bug, which would be awfully strange | 06:07 |
| djszapi | worked on 1.0 and pr 1.1 here. | 06:08 |
| djszapi | pr1.2* | 06:08 |
| djszapi | sadly, I cannot reproduce | 06:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | make sure to test by tapping a letter in the middle of the word | 06:08 |
| djszapi | but I would like to help with fixing. | 06:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | without having selected any other letters yet | 06:08 |
| djszapi | yes | 06:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not sure what you mean by "last...in the queue" | 06:08 |
| djszapi | I tested that all | 06:08 |
| djszapi | well, you cannot deselect any letter in the destination | 06:08 |
| djszapi | only the last one | 06:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hmm | 06:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i restarted it and now it's working again | 06:09 |
| djszapi | since tap puts always into the last position inside the destination | 06:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so there's some trigger that needs to be found | 06:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hmm, i just got it to happen on the 2nd word | 06:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | word 1: moagn - works fine | 06:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | word 2: vloie - tap L twice and now it's l oie | 06:10 |
| djszapi | okay, I can reproduce this | 06:10 |
| djszapi | I just need to clean up the js array for next anagram then | 06:10 |
| djszapi | anything else ? | 06:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the box around the last digit of the countdown timer is cut off by the rounded corner extending from the system bar | 06:12 |
| djszapi | there is no clear()-like method for a js array ? :D | 06:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | can't you just assign it to an empty one? | 06:13 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: yeah, that is known, and wont fix in the first release | 06:13 |
| djszapi | I can, but still. | 06:13 |
| djszapi | would be way readable with a clear. | 06:13 |
| djszapi | oh .length = 0 should work | 06:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | could make it look like a 7-segment led display instead | 06:15 |
| djszapi | how hackish :) | 06:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though that would require 7-segment sprites | 06:15 |
| djszapi | well | 06:15 |
| djszapi | that was my though, but | 06:15 |
| djszapi | thought* | 06:15 |
| djszapi | the point is that you have this in C++, but not in qml: http://developer.qt.nokia.com/doc/qt-4.8/qlcdnumber.html | 06:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://www.google.com/search?q=QLCDNumber&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=Ts1&prmd=imvnsfd&source=lnms&tbm=isch | 06:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that doesn't really look all that cool anyway | 06:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | better use custom sprites | 06:17 |
| djszapi | it is not that bad either | 06:19 |
| djszapi | and I do not have time for custom sprites really :) | 06:19 |
| djszapi | I am all happy with this timer. | 06:19 |
| djszapi | what I could do is to make the rectangle rounded. | 06:20 |
| djszapi | to make more mobile'ish style. | 06:20 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: https://filetea.me/t1s85d3f | 06:23 |
| djszapi | one liner fix :) | 06:23 |
| djszapi | tested here, works. | 06:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | argh, my N9's almost out of juice | 06:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and i'm using an ac-10 charger that causes the screen to go inoperative | 06:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw any idea what could be causing that? i hope it's not killing the phone through some sort of grounding problem or some such | 06:25 |
| ieatlint | i used to have that issue on both the n9 and n950 | 06:26 |
| ieatlint | then it mysteriously disappeared | 06:26 |
| djszapi | got a (probably automated) answer after one day from Nokia publisher customer service: http://paste.kde.org/205574/ | 06:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol surveys | 06:30 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: it is now working then ? | 06:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so did you manage to pay your 1 euro ovi toll | 06:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | haven't tested yet | 06:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'll wait until the phone has some more juice | 06:30 |
| ieatlint | careful, surveys are just clever ways to spy on you by getting you to tell them information | 06:30 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: no they rejected my payment | 06:31 |
| djszapi | without mentioning the concrete reason | 06:31 |
| djszapi | the bank said everything is okay | 06:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and you're sure you got the billing address entered exactly as it is on your cc bill? | 06:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the publisher help mentioned that's a common cause of rejections | 06:31 |
| djszapi | what do you mean ? | 06:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | online credit card transactions check the billing address (AVS - address verification system) | 06:32 |
| djszapi | they did not ask billing address | 06:32 |
| ieatlint | if his bank says it wasn't declined, then unlikely the issue | 06:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: i think with AVS, the status gets sent back to the merchant which can decide whether to go through with it | 06:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not sure | 06:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it wouldn't show up as a decline though | 06:33 |
| ieatlint | but yeah, it should've asked for your address unless the european system is significantly different for online charges | 06:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: http://support.publish.nokia.com/?cat=6&topic=44 | 06:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | expand the last section | 06:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | scroll down to: My credit card is valid but I’m unable to successfully pay for registration. What should I do? | 06:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you e.g. put your work address down that might have done it | 06:34 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: already checked that yesterday | 06:35 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: it is the same. | 06:36 |
| djszapi | if you mean the address I gave on a previous page, not on the payment slide. | 06:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, that one | 06:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it looks like they use that for the billing address | 06:38 |
| djszapi | heh they told me to fill in a document, but the document is completely empty | 06:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what format is it? if it's word maybe ooo is being lame | 06:38 |
| djszapi | http://paste.kde.org/205580/ | 06:38 |
| djszapi | it is not libreoffice | 06:38 |
| djszapi | it is even empty with google docs | 06:38 |
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| djszapi | https://filetea.me/t1s4bdb8 | 06:39 |
| * djszapi is wondering why the rectangles are not rounded with radius: 4; | 06:39 | |
| djszapi | or with radius: 10; | 06:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what was the filetea link? it's gone now | 06:42 |
| djszapi | heh | 06:42 |
| djszapi | filetea is a crap | 06:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw that site's an interesting concept...though if you encrypt then upload, it doesn't matter if the file stays on their server for all eternity | 06:42 |
| djszapi | sadly, I do not know better free service. | 06:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's zillions of them | 06:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mediafire, filefront | 06:42 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: https://filetea.me/t1sb95b9 | 06:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | min.us | 06:43 |
| djszapi | mediafire.com -> needs registration | 06:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ah there we go | 06:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and unless they changed recently, registration is optional | 06:43 |
| djszapi | apparently min.us too | 06:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | filefront has a short retention time but allows huge files | 06:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | min.us has a 30 day retention time if you don't register, but you don't have to | 06:43 |
| djszapi | I would not like to register | 06:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, the document isn't empty | 06:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it is, however, white on dark blue | 06:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if your editor isn't aware of background colors, that would do it | 06:44 |
| djszapi | well, I clicked on "View" in gmail. | 06:44 |
| djszapi | background color is blue, but that does not matter | 06:45 |
| djszapi | I mean selected background | 06:45 |
| djszapi | since it is not visibile what they write anyway lol | 06:45 |
| djszapi | what a crappy doc seriously :D | 06:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: just open it up in ooo or whatever the new shiny is these days | 06:45 |
| djszapi | as I said, tried | 06:46 |
| djszapi | did not work | 06:46 |
| djszapi | nor with gmail "View", nor with libreoffice (note there is no "ooo"), nor with koffice | 06:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | as for min.us | 06:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you go to the page and dragndrop your file on top of it | 06:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no registration required | 06:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://minus.com/mAyL184gu# | 06:47 |
| djszapi | not even after 30 days ? | 06:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, it'll be done after 30 days, yeah | 06:48 |
| djszapi | there you go | 06:48 |
| djszapi | I would not like to register ever. | 06:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that sort of thing is normal on file hosting sites, either after a fixed period of time or if your file doesn't get enough downloads | 06:48 |
| * djszapi boots to Windodws to check out this crapdoc | 06:48 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | on mediafire, your file will stay up for a long time | 06:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, that link is a pdf of the nokia doc | 06:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but you can't edit it directly from there | 06:49 |
| djszapi | I would not need to edit directly. | 06:49 |
| djszapi | the point is that there is /no/ text | 06:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, you have to fill in the fields... | 06:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and no, the problem is that you're using programs that don't support background colors | 06:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the text is invisible because it's white on white | 06:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | "I mean selected background" i meant the actual page background | 06:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the whole thing is blue | 06:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because nokia's new marketing theme is all blue all the time, i guess | 06:52 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | btw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsz4L-IzQZo < awesome song | 06:53 |
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| djszapi|win | interesting | 06:53 |
| djszapi|win | it works on Windows, and editable. | 06:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because word supports pretty things like blue background colors :p | 06:54 |
| djszapi|win | no | 06:56 |
| djszapi|win | it was also supported on linux with any viewer | 06:56 |
| djszapi|win | that is not the root cause of the issue | 06:56 |
| djszapi|win | for some reason the text is invisible. | 06:56 |
| djszapi|win | also, it is a crap they have white text on white background | 06:56 |
| djszapi|win | it is just pretty insane | 06:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, putting an entire document on bright blue isn't so smart | 06:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, dark blue | 06:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | they should have made a 1" blue banner at the top or some such instead | 06:58 |
| djszapi|win | not sure what blue you are talking about | 06:58 |
| djszapi|win | it is blue nowhere to me | 06:58 |
| djszapi|win | the background is everywhere white | 06:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what program are you using to view it? | 06:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it looks fine on word 2010 | 06:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you're using wordpad, no wonder it's broken | 07:00 |
| djszapi|win | no | 07:00 |
| djszapi|win | libreoffice, googledocs, koffice, and tried the newest wordpad as well | 07:00 |
| djszapi|win | since docx is that format basically anyway | 07:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, wordpad and google docs can't handle anything very complicated | 07:01 |
| djszapi|win | the text of theirs is only visible if I select the whole page. | 07:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and ooo/lo and koffice are pretty limited compared to ms word too | 07:02 |
| djszapi|win | not my fault | 07:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | of course, ms has a huge head start and a huge amount of people/$$$ working on it | 07:02 |
| djszapi|win | they cannot handle their own format | 07:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, wordpad is kind of a toy program, not a serious editor | 07:02 |
| djszapi|win | should be perfectly fine for this purpose. | 07:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, nokia probably should have put substance over style, but it's also not unreasonable for them to have assumed it would just work | 07:03 |
| djszapi|win | it is insane | 07:03 |
| djszapi|win | to have white color on white background | 07:03 |
| djszapi|win | and only the selected bg is blue | 07:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | except it's not supposed to be that way! | 07:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | "selected bg" is irrelevant, that's set by your computer | 07:04 |
| djszapi|win | whatever, it is like that everywhere apart from your superchucknorris stuff :) | 07:04 |
| djszapi|win | no it is not irrelevant | 07:04 |
| djszapi|win | that is the only relevance | 07:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you can see what it's supposed to look like from the pdf i uploaded | 07:04 |
| djszapi|win | how I could get it actually visible. | 07:04 |
| djszapi|win | luckily enough the selected background was not screwed up | 07:05 |
| djszapi|win | so I could at least annoyingly read the damn text. | 07:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you could just select all and set the color to black :p | 07:05 |
| djszapi|win | not really | 07:06 |
| djszapi|win | it might break at their end if I modify something | 07:06 |
| djszapi|win | best to keep the compatibility | 07:06 |
| * djszapi|win had enough time for M$ | 07:06 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | i highly doubt it's automated in any way | 07:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | all it has to do is have the text visible | 07:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if anything leaving it as white on white might confuse someone on nokia's end | 07:06 |
| djszapi|win | and that is clearly not visible | 07:07 |
| djszapi|win | on any platform and in any application I tried. | 07:07 |
| djszapi|win | this is plain silly | 07:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | right, so change the color and make it so | 07:07 |
| djszapi|win | never really had such a situation before.l | 07:07 |
| djszapi|win | it is not about the color change | 07:07 |
| djszapi|win | or other workaround | 07:07 |
| djszapi|win | it is the fact I spent X minutes instead of zero with seeing the text | 07:07 |
| djszapi|win | but hey, I can fill in the customer service now :) | 07:08 |
| djszapi|win | survey* | 07:08 |
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| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: also, they did not even have a reference to bank account information in that document. | 07:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: they probably waive it for the manual procedure then | 07:13 |
| djszapi | or they will ask that in the second stage. | 07:13 |
| djszapi | which is .. not nice to have 1 day for each answer. | 07:14 |
| djszapi | no, the page is definitely not blue | 07:14 |
| djszapi | it is just the outter rect. | 07:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | did you look at my pdf? | 07:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's blue | 07:14 |
| djszapi | also, googledocs, libreoffice, koffice and wordpad do support background colors. | 07:14 |
| djszapi | just tried out in my document. | 07:14 |
| djszapi | and actually all my presentation slides were always backgrounded anyway | 07:14 |
| djszapi | and always worked | 07:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | slides != documents | 07:15 |
| djszapi | of it is | 07:15 |
| djszapi | ofc* | 07:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also i'm not seeing any way to change the background color in wordpad | 07:15 |
| djszapi | some of them because I normally edit it in a document | 07:15 |
| djszapi | especially the abstracts | 07:15 |
| djszapi | anyway, tried out and my document works fine. | 07:15 |
| djszapi | out of the box. | 07:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and if you load the docx on wordpad, it even warns you that it has things wordpad doesn't understand | 07:16 |
| djszapi | in every application I tried so far, koffice, libreoffice and googledocs | 07:16 |
| djszapi | yeah, it is hard to understand a background :D :D | 07:16 |
| djszapi | in 2012, lol | 07:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | actually it's probably because wordpad is basically a demo app for a simple "rich text" widget that doesn't have fancy things like that | 07:17 |
| djszapi | you miss the point | 07:17 |
| djszapi | it is not about flaming against wordpad | 07:18 |
| djszapi | it has not even worked in any other sane document viewer. | 07:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because those other document viewers haven't caught up to word | 07:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and word document background colors are not a very commonly used feature | 07:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | maybe precisely because of situations like this | 07:20 |
| djszapi | hahahaha | 07:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so probably what's happening is that nobody's bothering to implement it | 07:20 |
| djszapi | let us reinvent a new format/feature where even the background color is broken in every other apps lol | 07:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | since word docs often end up being printed out, you don't want to cover the entire page in lots of expensive color toner | 07:21 |
| djszapi | this is silly saying... | 07:21 |
| djszapi | all the manager thingie sends out docx documents to the zillion linux developers. | 07:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | things like this are exactly why sending DOCs (or ODFs or anything else) around is a bad idea | 07:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's what pdf is for | 07:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but for forms like this one, making pdf forms is hard | 07:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | really they could have just put a list of lines in the email... | 07:22 |
| djszapi | this is plain silly of word; and I am promising I am not gonna touch that crap. | 07:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you're being awfully stubborn over a background color, lol | 07:22 |
| djszapi | nah... I am being awfully stubborn over wasted time | 07:23 |
| djszapi | does not really matter what it is | 07:23 |
| djszapi | so did the kanagram work after all ? | 07:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh yeah, let me try it | 07:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you probably need to reupload it | 07:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i think i was having trouble downloading before and that site you use is super-temporary | 07:28 |
| djszapi | meh | 07:29 |
| djszapi | give me an alternative page which is for free without any registration anytime. | 07:30 |
| djszapi | http://minus.com/mTNDv5UWb | 07:31 |
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| ieatlint | i love coming home to a hdd making unusual noises :( | 07:48 |
| djszapi | :/ | 07:48 |
| ieatlint | c'est la vie... well into a ddrescue operation to image the drive, and it's not too expensive for a new one | 07:49 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: yup, it works | 07:55 |
| djszapi | 06:12 < itsnotabigtruck> the box around the last digit of the countdown timer is cut off by the rounded corner extending from the system bar -> fixed too | 07:55 |
| djszapi | anything else ? :) | 07:56 |
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| djszapi | I also made the rectangles curved asan addition to the mobile style. | 07:56 |
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| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: ready for testing the next game ? :) | 07:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 07:59 |
| * itsnotabigtruck is le tired | 07:59 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's a high probability i won't make my 8am class, heh | 08:00 |
| djszapi | how many of them I have not made back then ... :) | 08:00 |
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| jeffrey04 | ~aegis-no-thanks | 08:04 |
| infobot | somebody said aegis-no-thanks was http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ | 08:04 |
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| Venemo_N950 | heya | 09:00 |
| Venemo_N950 | radiofree, ping | 09:01 |
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| djszapi | Venemo_N950: you did not test the app :) | 09:08 |
| ieatlint | yay, i lost only 4kb in my hdd failure | 09:12 |
| ieatlint | and i already had a backup of the affected file | 09:12 |
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| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, sorry I was swamped in work yesterday :( | 09:21 |
| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, I'll test it today | 09:21 |
| djszapi | no excuse ! | 09:21 |
| Venemo_N950 | :(( | 09:21 |
| djszapi | :)) | 09:21 |
| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, I had a couple of minutes only before I fell to bed. under that time, I compiled and put irc-chatter master on my N950 with the hopes of reproducing your favourite bug | 09:23 |
| djszapi | I do not favour any bugs :P | 09:23 |
| djszapi | I would fix it myself if the code was readable enough to my taste ... :P | 09:24 |
| Venemo_N950 | nah, you keep an intimate relationship with this bug | 09:24 |
| djszapi | so best you can do is refactoring imho | 09:24 |
| Venemo_N950 | I couldn't reproduce it still... the bug doesn't like me | 09:24 |
| djszapi | if you cannot really reproduce it. | 09:24 |
| Venemo_N950 | anyway I'll run the app the whole day today | 09:24 |
| Venemo_N950 | and will wait for it to appear | 09:25 |
| djszapi | it happens to me after a couple of seconds | 09:25 |
| djszapi | with my N950 and N9 too | 09:25 |
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| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, even with the hw keyboard open? | 09:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sazpaimon: no way | 09:47 |
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| djszapi | Venemo_N950: well, I cannot type any other way :) | 09:56 |
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| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, you can type on the sw keyboard as well | 09:59 |
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| djszapi | where is that on n9 ? | 10:00 |
| djszapi | also, it is not related to the keyboard fyi | 10:00 |
| djszapi | I get this bug without any keyboard interaction | 10:00 |
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| gri | what was the bug? Maybe I can reproduce it :) | 10:18 |
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| Venemo_N950 | gri, random text appears in the text box, for him | 10:20 |
| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, does this happen when you're switching channels? | 10:25 |
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| l32606 | hi, im looking for the source of the plugins status indicator menu.but i can't found them in systemui package. anyone has ideas? thank you! | 10:30 |
| ArkanoiD_ | anyone successfully installed extraplugins on n950? | 10:33 |
| decibyte | is it possible to use the sms app on your computer via ssh and x forwarding? | 10:33 |
| RST38h | I did | 10:37 |
| RST38h | They work, but require installing two more packages in advance | 10:37 |
| ArkanoiD_ | RST38h, which ones? | 10:42 |
| RST38h | Arkanoid: ICQ at least | 10:42 |
| RST38h | oh, the packages? a moment | 10:42 |
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| RST38h | Arkanoi: looks like for the Ovi store package you have to remove old stuff first: http://mymeegos.net/news/extraplugins_im_icq_vkontakte_and_others/ | 10:45 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: heh, they sent me an odt to fill in | 10:59 |
| djszapi | even if I filled in the docx, already... | 10:59 |
| Corsac | nice | 11:01 |
| djszapi | she either missed my attachment for some reason, or the modification in wordpad was not compatible with the docx format. no clue. | 11:05 |
| flux | does anyone else have trouble updating profilematic? it keeps telling me 'download failed', yet other ovi store apps seem to download fine. | 11:05 |
| flux | tcpdump indicated it attempts to make no network connections when I try to retry the download | 11:10 |
| flux | it creates a 0-byte file /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/profilematic_1.3.0_armel.profilematic; removing the file doesn't affect the results | 11:13 |
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| Jaffa | Morning | 11:23 |
| Jaffa | Anyone know if anyone's working on a simple toggle 2G/3G app (like Toggle BT)? | 11:23 |
| alterego | Would bo good, | 11:29 |
| alterego | ~be | 11:29 |
| infobot | be is probably Beryllium. Belgium | 11:29 |
| * alterego punches infobot in the face. | 11:29 | |
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| * alterego tries to remember the last time he went on to tmo | 11:38 | |
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| * Jaffa got suckered into something recently. But after making one post avoided any replies. | 11:44 | |
| * Jaffa needs some TMO readers to be MWKN contributors, though. | 11:44 | |
| Jaffa | alterego: Should be a gconf key, I guess. | 11:45 |
| jreznik | would be better to find way how to add something to the status menu... not a toggle icon, but looking to mtf sources, they add plugins manually there... why??? | 11:46 |
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| qronic | guys with PR1.2 beta, can somebody upload 200kb file from it for me? | 12:10 |
| djszapi | shoot | 12:10 |
| djszapi | which file ? | 12:10 |
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| djszapi | qronic: https://filetea.me/t1s52951 | 12:14 |
| qronic | djszapi, thank you! | 12:14 |
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| Jaffa | jreznik: AFAIK, it's not possible to add to the status bar or menu - it's closed source with no API | 12:24 |
| jreznik | Jaffa: it's not closed source, there's even API - it's plugable, but the current plugins are just put into the list and that's all, no desktop files or other way how to do it | 12:24 |
| Jaffa | jreznik: Oh, cool. URL? | 12:25 |
| Jaffa | jreznik: A combined flippable toggle (maybe BT, 2G/3G, PSM) would be a hit, I think | 12:26 |
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| alterego | Jaffa: yeah, or dbus | 12:28 |
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| jreznik | Jaffa: can't find it right now, gitorious is not ok today... | 12:34 |
| jreznik | but it surprised me that harmattan is not as closed as I expected (at least regarding source code) | 12:34 |
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| chem|st | o/ | 13:45 |
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| jreznik | Jaffa: https://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/meegotouch-systemui/blobs/master/src/systemui/statusindicatormenu/statusindicatormenuverticalview.cpp and then check http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/platform-api-reference/xml/daily-docs/libmeegotouch/class_m_application_extension_area.html and setInProcessFilter and setOutProcessFilter... | 14:11 |
| jreznik | even if there would be possibility to create another extension area instead one of existing, it's still on aegis list... | 14:11 |
| * jreznik hopes he just did not understand it correctly and there's a way... | 14:12 | |
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| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: do you have linux and also windows by hand, or how could you check out the document on Windows in no time ? :) | 14:34 |
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| faenil | for those of you who haven't heard the news, there's a guy trying to dualboot harm and ICS | 16:02 |
| faenil | http://t.co/9ir0Vv9A | 16:03 |
| Jeffrey04 | :) | 16:03 |
| faenil | no opengl acc atm, but still, booting :) | 16:04 |
| Jeffrey04 | cool | 16:04 |
| djszapi | faenil: yeah, others already pasted, though not here :) | 16:05 |
| faenil | :D | 16:06 |
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| djszapi | npm ping | 16:53 |
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| djszapi | or anybody else with json experience :) | 16:53 |
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| qronic | djszapi, mind to give a link on ICS @n9? | 16:55 |
| qronic | posts | 16:55 |
| djszapi | not really, just this one: http://androidcommunity.com/nokia-n9-ice-cream-sandwich-port-in-progress-20120209/ | 16:57 |
| djszapi | work is still in progress :) | 16:57 |
| qronic | also found it at TMO: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80943&page=17 | 16:58 |
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| leinir | ew... who in the world would want that?! | 16:58 |
| qronic | me :) I need a full blown navi software sometimes | 16:59 |
| djszapi | me too :) | 17:00 |
| djszapi | it is a hacker device after all. I would need to carry two phones for experimenting with android. | 17:00 |
| leinir | i take it you'd argue that Drive isn't good enough for your purposes, then? | 17:00 |
| djszapi | would not* | 17:00 |
| qronic | leinir, don't judge nased on your country, in my country Drive sucks | 17:01 |
| qronic | s/nased/based/ | 17:01 |
| infobot | qronic meant: leinir, don't judge based on your country, in my country Drive sucks | 17:01 |
| Jeffrey04 | lol, didn't know infobot does that | 17:01 |
| KRF | doesn't it suck for everyone? it doesn't even display ETA | 17:01 |
| Jeffrey04 | drive is ok'ish to me | 17:01 |
| radiofree | it shows the remaining distance | 17:02 |
| leinir | KRF: it does in 1.2 ;) | 17:02 |
| KRF | leinir: srsly? someone told me drive ain't getting any love in 1.2. | 17:02 |
| KRF | that's good to hear, after all | 17:02 |
| leinir | s/any/enough/ | 17:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: qronic check developer tweeter jst =) | 17:03 |
| Jeffrey04 | from what i know drive is improved significantly in pr1.2 | 17:03 |
| Jeffrey04 | KRF: check the pr1.2 thread in TMP | 17:03 |
| KRF | Jeffrey04: that'd be awesome | 17:03 |
| Jeffrey04 | s/TMP/TMO | 17:03 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: what do you mean ? | 17:03 |
| Jeffrey04 | lol | 17:03 |
| Jeffrey04 | fail | 17:03 |
| djszapi | ofc the android port is not just about drive :D | 17:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: nitdroid | 17:03 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: not following what you mean. | 17:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: android on n9 | 17:04 |
| Jeffrey04 | android market~~~ | 17:04 |
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| rafael2k_ | hi there people, anyone managed to compile the PR1.2 kernel for open mode aegis usage? | 17:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | its e-eyes or what is his nick here, drunkdebugger - on tweeter i think | 17:05 |
| qronic | e-eyes.livejournal.com, he's Russian | 17:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | ~seen e-eyes | 17:06 |
| infobot | i haven't seen 'e-eyes', ZogG_laptop | 17:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | qronic: i know, me too =) | 17:06 |
| qronic | :) | 17:06 |
| qronic | DocScrutinizer, hi, are you there? | 17:08 |
| djszapi | qronic: let me know your experience when you try it out. | 17:08 |
| * artemma is happy for his last two apps were published yesterday (paid and free one) and paid version(!) already has two "very useful" reviews! | 17:11 | |
| artemma | no friends involved - the reviewers are total strangers to me | 17:11 |
| qronic | djszapi, sure, since DocScrutinizer is away, maybe you know, how does harmattan knows it's running in open mode (accli -I) when booted with self-compiled kernel? | 17:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | https://twitter.com/#!/drunkdebugger | 17:11 |
| qronic | does the official nokia kernel pass some signature to bootloader? | 17:12 |
| djszapi | qronic: check the dpkg wrapper | 17:12 |
| djszapi | the dpkg wrapper checks the same I think | 17:12 |
| djszapi | it is some libbb5 thingy | 17:12 |
| djszapi | where it can be known. | 17:12 |
| djszapi | let me ask my friend maintaining the kernel | 17:13 |
| qronic | cause DocScrutinizer just patched several aegis functions and his kernel shows "open mode"... makes me wonder | 17:13 |
| djszapi | I am not sure for instance how libbb5 communicates with the kernel | 17:14 |
| djszapi | so I cannot investigate more efficiently, sorry. | 17:14 |
| djszapi | I asked the kernel maintainer, let us see what he answers :) | 17:15 |
| qronic | np, thanks for asking him | 17:15 |
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| djszapi | qronic: the bootloader verifies a signed hash of the kernel before loading it, I thought. | 17:23 |
| artemma | can somebody fetch a page from collab.nokia.com documentation for me? | 17:24 |
| * artemma wants to give qtMock a try | 17:24 | |
| qronic | djszapi, so I guess the OTA update first puts new PR's kernel hash into bootloader with libbb5 token | 17:24 |
| artemma | I can promise not to share it with anybody :D | 17:24 |
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| qronic | artemma, congratulations with approval, btw | 17:25 |
| djszapi | artemma: definitely, congrats :) | 17:25 |
| artemma | qronic: you mean my swype language chooser app? | 17:25 |
| artemma | thanks | 17:25 |
| artemma | ! | 17:25 |
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| frals | wth is collab.nokia.com? | 17:25 |
| artemma | heh, I should have released it a month ago, before 1.2 had same feature in the plans :) | 17:25 |
| qronic | with those 2 apps you said earlier, missed that | 17:25 |
| artemma | qronic: you can start using it now, not waiting for 1.2 | 17:26 |
| artemma | to all the developers in this chat I can certainly send a paid version for free | 17:26 |
| artemma | just tell an email address | 17:26 |
| qronic | Gotta try, though I find myself using terminal over ssh on n9 more often then sms :) | 17:27 |
| artemma | frals: I don't really know what collab.nokia.com is, that's where gitorious commit says the docs for qtmock are :) | 17:27 |
| djszapi | qronic: I presume so, but I have not written this part of the security job. The bootloader team would prolly also know this. | 17:28 |
| qronic | but that might be under NDA :) | 17:29 |
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| ZogG_laptop | gri: sup | 17:34 |
| gri | ZogG_laptop: Nothing. I am just a bit impressed by the 80 € sound system I bought because my laptop speakers pissed me on :D | 17:35 |
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| djszapi | gri: Nothing ? haven't you just criticized my app ? :P :P | 17:43 |
| gri | That was not criticism but suggestions :) Also few hours ago | 17:44 |
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| jreznik | KRF: check my video of Drive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zilHqvea-3Y&list=UU8Kty-VlYGAcYwTIcQUtK3g&index=1&feature=plcp | 17:51 |
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| KRF | jreznik: does it bring jam notification? | 17:52 |
| jreznik | KRF: don't expect so | 17:58 |
| KRF | i still had the hope http://betalabs.nokia.com/apps/nokia-maps-suite is coming to the N9 :/ | 17:59 |
| KRF | with public transport and all that nifty stuff | 17:59 |
| Jeffrey04 | doubt if traffic info is avail in my country tho | 18:01 |
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| ZogG_laptop | gri: my laptop speakers weaker than phone ones i thin =\ | 18:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | and it's z1 vaio =\ | 18:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri: i figured out why xauth is not working =0) | 18:08 |
| gri | ZogG_laptop: then tell me the cause, please | 18:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri: frals helped me, so i do not take credit =) | 18:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri: there is sessiondata type wich contains all the stuff | 18:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | the thing is is you use other than standard method (if you use plugin) than plugin uses it's own sessiondata with is the modified with needed getters and setters | 18:11 |
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| Sindriava | Hi! | 18:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | the problem is that xauth's one is not avilable s it's closed source i need or to write my own with same setters getters it's uses, or to have source for it =) | 18:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | as we don't have both (documentation and soure) we can't use it - it's just there part of the pr and os but can't be used by 3rd party apps untill we get or source or docs at least =) | 18:13 |
| gri | you could bugreport this for the next sdk update | 18:14 |
| gri | if not already done | 18:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri: did it with oauth report and it's says assigned but no result | 18:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | reported both at the same time, though i was told oauth would be included without my report anyway, as it would be used in pr1.2 (but i want to believe i reminded them to use it so they included it =P ) | 18:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri: wanna vote ? | 18:15 |
| gri | I can vote but I don't think this has any effect | 18:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | me too =( | 18:17 |
| Sindriava | So... I am planning on buying the Nokia N9. Could anyone tell me roughly how many apps are there on the Ovi Store? | 18:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | bug 493 | 18:17 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=493 nor, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, ASSI, better libxauth documentetion and usage examples | 18:17 |
| Sindriava | Or if i can install some classic Linux apps? | 18:17 |
| gri | Sindriava: This depends on what you're interested in. There are much crap apps like on every phone :) | 18:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | Sindriava: you can check ovi store yourself no need in n9 | 18:17 |
| Sindriava | oh, right! silly me >_< | 18:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | Sindriava: as well n9-apps.com | 18:18 |
| Sindriava | sorry :) | 18:18 |
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| gri | You can even test the whole system (with a bad framerate) with Nokia Remote Device Access | 18:18 |
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| Sazpaimon | KRF, i can get public transit directions on maps already | 18:22 |
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| ZogG_laptop | frals: btw why wouldn't you upload lpmcustomizer to apps.formeego.org ? | 18:25 |
| frals | never said i wont | 18:25 |
| KRF | Sazpaimon: can you get route information (e.g. via public transport) by specifying from/to location? | 18:25 |
| frals | its just a hueg fuckin hazzle and i dont have the time to sort it :< | 18:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | =\ | 18:25 |
| frals | its in ovi store and sources are on github anyway | 18:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | i was angry when i saw your copycat promoted in all coners =\ | 18:26 |
| KRF | Sazpaimon: http://betalabs.nokia.com/apps/nokia-maps-suite/more_info#PublicTransport - that app has that feature | 18:27 |
| KRF | Sazpaimon: http://scr3.golem.de/screenshots/1111/Nokia_Public_Transport/thumb620/Nokia_Public_Transport_3.png | 18:27 |
| KRF | (had that on my N97, it's pretty cool) | 18:27 |
| KRF | i have some "rudimentary" public transport support on maps (pr 1.1) | 18:28 |
| Sazpaimon | KRF, yes you can | 18:28 |
| Sazpaimon | just go to maps | 18:28 |
| Sazpaimon | select directions | 18:28 |
| Sazpaimon | selevt to and from spots | 18:29 |
| Sazpaimon | and select transit | 18:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's a pitty i can't use any nokia native apps releated to map as for Nokia we are white spot on map | 18:29 |
| Sazpaimon | I just tried it on mine, it works, but the directions are atrocious | 18:29 |
| Sazpaimon | it only gives directions by train | 18:29 |
| Sazpaimon | and wants me to walk 2 miles to the train station, and has no knowledge of buses | 18:29 |
| KRF | Sazpaimon: right. and no time information afair | 18:30 |
| Sazpaimon | maybe the betalaps app is better | 18:30 |
| Sazpaimon | maybe it uses actual GTFS data | 18:30 |
| KRF | in the above screenshot you several possibilites for your route, that's just awesome ;) | 18:30 |
| KRF | "you have" even | 18:30 |
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| Sazpaimon | thats nice | 18:31 |
| Sazpaimon | if that ever gets to N9 I'll never use google maps again | 18:31 |
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| Sindriava | Ah, damn by laptop's battery | 18:31 |
| Sazpaimon | and if its made for belle its a simple port for harmaatan | 18:31 |
| KRF | can someone from the N9 team comment on this? on the forums someone said the "public transport" app *might* come to N9. | 18:32 |
| faenil | guys can't I show a QueryDialog without using open()? | 18:32 |
| Sazpaimon | A lot of people at nokia use N9s internally | 18:32 |
| Sazpaimon | A lot of people at nokia use N9s internally | 18:32 |
| Sazpaimon | A lot of people at nokia use N9s internally | 18:33 |
| Sazpaimon | oops | 18:33 |
| faenil | lol | 18:33 |
| Sazpaimon | so if something is deemed a killer app, it probably will find its way to the N9 eventually | 18:33 |
| Sazpaimon | fscking up key | 18:33 |
| KRF | Sazpaimon: yeh, just repeat then it'll happen ;) | 18:33 |
| Sindriava | Excuse me, i don't want to start a flamewar, but i was hoping someone in here could help me with some advice on choosing between Android and Nokia N9 | 18:34 |
| Sindriava | I *really* don't want to flame about it, but the thing is that i am a programmer | 18:34 |
| Sindriava | And i was wondering which one of the OS'es is better for me | 18:34 |
| Sindriava | from the "hacking and customizing" side i love so much :) | 18:35 |
| deram | three times works with the Great Old Ones... | 18:35 |
| Sazpaimon | Sindriava, are you wanting an unbiased opinion | 18:36 |
| Sindriava | Well, no. I had an Android phone for like 3 months | 18:36 |
| Sindriava | so i wanted to know more about the meego side of the problem :) | 18:36 |
| Sindriava | I need a new phone rather quickly, so i don't have the time to search through lots of documentation or such | 18:37 |
| Sazpaimon | if you're interested in a true linux mobile device, the N9 is a good choice | 18:37 |
| Sindriava | Yay, i hoped for that | 18:37 |
| Sazpaimon | the N900 is good for on-device hacking since it has a physical keyboard | 18:37 |
| Sindriava | Nah, i prefer vim over SSH | 18:37 |
| Sazpaimon | but its not as powerful, and runs the outdated maemo 5 OS, with GCC 4.2 and an older linux kernel | 18:37 |
| Sindriava | a hate keyboards on phones (bad experience >_<) | 18:38 |
| Sindriava | Can you actually install some linux packages on it? | 18:38 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah | 18:38 |
| Sindriava | Like... Gnome Shell? (for example) | 18:38 |
| Sazpaimon | its debian-based | 18:38 |
| KRF | Sindriava: yep. apt-get is your friend | 18:38 |
| Sazpaimon | so you can install any debian package | 18:38 |
| Sindriava | If you remove Aegis (right?) | 18:38 |
| Sindriava | Really? | 18:38 |
| Sazpaimon | not even that | 18:38 |
| Sazpaimon | if you enable developer mode, debian apps will run | 18:38 |
| Sindriava | :O So-awesome | 18:38 |
| Sazpaimon | aegis only needs to be disabled when you want to access restricted APIs | 18:39 |
| Sazpaimon | or want true root access | 18:39 |
| Sindriava | So it's basically a Linux powered PC in a phone | 18:39 |
| Sindriava | right? | 18:39 |
| Sazpaimon | over aegis, the root user is essentially just another user, and he cant execute arbitrary programs | 18:39 |
| Sindriava | I see... I was reading something about aegis blocking even dmesg | 18:40 |
| Sazpaimon | depends | 18:40 |
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| Sindriava | but i checked today at vodafone store, and i was able to use it | 18:40 |
| Sazpaimon | it all depends on the restricted APIs | 18:40 |
| npm | frals I see on twitter you're talking about PR1.2 fixes/issues -- here's mine: on the feed/notifications screen when you scroll, the text gets all pixelated and is hard to read. (i'm not sure smoothing needs to be set "off" while scrolling). compared to lumia doing the exact same thing, it looks ugly. | 18:40 |
| Sazpaimon | [11:39] <Sindriava> So it's basically a Linux powered PC in a phone | 18:40 |
| Sazpaimon | actually the other way around | 18:40 |
| Sazpaimon | its a phone in a linux powered PC | 18:40 |
| Sazpaimon | the N9 came about from a long line of nokia internet tablets | 18:40 |
| Sindriava | So it's a "laptop" with linux installed on it | 18:41 |
| Sindriava | + GSM chip? | 18:41 |
| Sazpaimon | its actually only the second device out of the last 5 or so to have phone capabilities | 18:41 |
| Sindriava | I see... Well, since i need something as close as possible to my linux laptop | 18:42 |
| Sindriava | it seems the N9 is actually the best choice availiable | 18:42 |
| Sazpaimon | I would say so | 18:42 |
| Sazpaimon | and its also a really good device for mobility | 18:43 |
| Sindriava | i will gladly throw away all the Android swag just for the pure awesomeness of being able to run apps like Vim on my phone | 18:43 |
| Sindriava | (and over SSH from my PC) | 18:43 |
| npm | i wish nokia made a tablet version of the n9 :-) | 18:43 |
| Sazpaimon | and if you ever feel a relapse with android, be content that android is being ported to it | 18:43 |
| Sindriava | I hope so! It's the second most perfect phone for the new ICS | 18:43 |
| Sazpaimon | the previous two incarnations of internet tablet phones from nokia have android ports | 18:44 |
| Sazpaimon | the N900 even has ICS | 18:44 |
| Sindriava | Neat! | 18:44 |
| Sindriava | The best one, considering the Galaxy Nexus overheats... | 18:44 |
| Sazpaimon | as a dual boot too | 18:44 |
| Sazpaimon | N900 can boot android, ubuntu, meego, and maemo | 18:44 |
| Sindriava | Hot <3 | 18:44 |
| faenil | but hw is too old now | 18:44 |
| Sazpaimon | probably now off of the same microsdxc card | 18:45 |
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| Sindriava | N9 doesn't have the microSD slot, though | 18:45 |
| Sindriava | :( | 18:45 |
| Sazpaimon | nope | 18:45 |
| Sindriava | but 64GB is more than enough :D | 18:45 |
| Sazpaimon | but it has 64GB builtin | 18:45 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah | 18:45 |
| Sindriava | So, to get it right: | 18:45 |
| Sazpaimon | most N9 users were fine with the onboard 32GB of storage | 18:45 |
| Sindriava | the 32GB version is not sold in my country O_o | 18:46 |
| Sindriava | weird | 18:46 |
| deram | the 16GB has more than enough if you don't plan to store movies or whole world of music in it | 18:46 |
| Sazpaimon | sorry N900 | 18:46 |
| Sindriava | Oh | 18:46 |
| Sazpaimon | and up until a little while ago, they could only get 64GB with an included microsd card | 18:46 |
| Sindriava | Since Gnome-Shell is able to run on ARM powered tablets, it should be able to run on the n9 too? | 18:46 |
| Sazpaimon | Qt is really the way to go on N9 | 18:46 |
| Sazpaimon | it includes all the Qt libraries | 18:47 |
| Sazpaimon | the gtk has been ported though | 18:47 |
| Sindriava | So KDE should run smoothly, then | 18:47 |
| npm | anybody know why apt-get install bluez-test gives: bluez-test: Depends: bluez (= 4.91-0maemo7+0m6) but 4.91-0maemo24+0m7 is to be installed | 18:47 |
| Sazpaimon | and you can run debian on a chroot if you disable aegis | 18:47 |
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| * npm wants to try http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4828 for PR 1.2 | 18:47 | |
| Sindriava | Thanks for all the help, Sazpaimon :) | 18:48 |
| Sindriava | I hope the n9 is going to satisfy all my linux needs that Android couldn't >:) | 18:48 |
| radiofree | npm: looks like bluez-test hasn't been upgrade for the 1.2 package | 18:48 |
| radiofree | just --ignore-depends=bluez | 18:49 |
| Sazpaimon | I wouldnt say it will satisfy ALL your needs | 18:49 |
| Sindriava | Well, it's not a full fledged linux distro | 18:49 |
| Sazpaimon | but its the closest thing to a linux device on the general end user market today | 18:49 |
| Sindriava | yeah, it's as good as it gets | 18:49 |
| Sindriava | And i am sure it will satisfy most of my needs just well | 18:49 |
| Sindriava | tinyurl.com/ifyouknowhatimean | 18:50 |
| Sindriava | I basically just want a portable SSH server with some of my favorite programming tools installed, so i can work on school PC's through SSH | 18:51 |
| Sindriava | + Media player / internet browser | 18:51 |
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| Sazpaimon | if you're gonna run the gcc on the N9 itself be prepared to wait a while | 18:51 |
| Sazpaimon | it does take a while to compile anything on a 1Ghz ARM processor | 18:52 |
| Sazpaimon | took me two days to compile llvm on my N900 | 18:53 |
| rafael2k_ | do | 18:53 |
| rafael2k_ | no | 18:53 |
| Sazpaimon | but llvm is a huge project anyway | 18:53 |
| rafael2k_ | I compiled a somewhat big C++ code easily | 18:53 |
| Sindriava | I hope most of the apps i want will have a package in apt | 18:53 |
| rafael2k_ | in about 10 minutes you can compile a mid-size C++ software | 18:54 |
| Sindriava | you can do some of the compiling on your PC, right? | 18:54 |
| Sazpaimon | Sindriava, thats the way youre reccomended to do it | 18:54 |
| rafael2k_ | native compiling is much more fun | 18:54 |
| Sindriava | rafael2k_: Yeah! :D | 18:54 |
| Sazpaimon | you can either install the Qt SDK, or set up a chroot | 18:54 |
| rafael2k_ | ; ) | 18:54 |
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| Sazpaimon | i prefer the chroot method, coming from a maemo 5 user | 18:55 |
| KRF | npm: isn't here a bluetooth keyboard app on the store? | 18:55 |
| KRF | there* | 18:55 |
| Sindriava | I used my quad core i7 to compile something for my iphone a long time ago... | 18:55 |
| rafael2k_ | I seted up a native chroot, but you'll need an open mode kernel | 18:55 |
| Sindriava | it took a while too... | 18:55 |
| rafael2k_ | Some time ago I compiled X on an HP Jornada 710 | 18:56 |
| rafael2k_ | ; ) | 18:56 |
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| KRF | "Hey, that sounds very cool. | 18:56 |
| KRF | Is it possible to connect (two) BT gamepads and use them in combination with stuff like EmuMaster? " | 18:56 |
| KRF | awesome :) | 18:56 |
| frals | npm: im not seeing it, how do you reproduce this exactly? | 19:03 |
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| faenil | isn't there any way to reuse qtcomponent's dialog graphics | 19:07 |
| faenil | but with custom layout? | 19:07 |
| faenil | I don't want it to be centered, and I don't want it to eat mouse events in the background | 19:07 |
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| Sindriava | Yay, i just ordered my 64GB black Nokia N9 | 19:13 |
| Sindriava | <# | 19:13 |
| Sindriava | *<3 | 19:13 |
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| npm | frals: oh hi i was away got bluetooth keyboard working on n950 w/ http://mail.pdaxrom.org/~sash/N9/btkeyboard/ | 19:22 |
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| npm | frals: regarding PR1.2 issue... just swipe to the feeds/notifications screen and scroll through it like you would if looking for something | 19:23 |
| npm | when it gets to the speed of being readable while scrolling, the letters seem to have antialiasing turned off and look pixelated | 19:23 |
| npm | at least on n950 screen. but this seems to be a regression over what was on it before (beta0 :-) ) | 19:24 |
| npm | or rather beta1 | 19:24 |
| Sindriava | Where did you get the n950? :) | 19:24 |
| npm | from Nokia? | 19:25 |
| npm | I just got another nice mail from Joan saying a N9 PR1.2 is on the way so i'll see if the problem is visible on amoled display vs lcd | 19:25 |
| npm | of course the amoled is prepixelated so you might not notice in the first place :-) | 19:26 |
| Sazpaimon | does the N9 wall charger adapter emulate enumeration? | 19:27 |
| npm | frals: but if you compare scrolling text on the "people" app on Lumia it is more readable while scrolling. | 19:27 |
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| Sindriava | The AMOLED display bugs me... It has this sorta pink line on the left edge of most white parts :( | 19:29 |
| npm | and other apps on N9 (e.g. fennec, web browser) look good while scrolling text at the same speed as on notifications/screen | 19:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | sometimes | 19:29 |
| npm | so either qt text smoothing needs to be turned off it is on, or maybe on if it is off. | 19:30 |
| npm | it looks quite bothersome, like the letters fill in with grayed shadows of themselves, esp when scrolling very slowly | 19:31 |
| npm | maybe it's just how white text looks on black background, versus browser which uses white background? | 19:31 |
| radiofree | npm: I don't see this issue | 19:31 |
| npm | are you on n950 or n9 | 19:32 |
| npm | and using PR1.2 or earlier? | 19:32 |
| frals | im not seeing it on n9 | 19:32 |
| radiofree | n9 pr 1.2 | 19:32 |
| npm | well I just got a nice letter from Joan B@nokia so hopefully n9 pr 1.2 will be on its way and i'll be able to see for myself :-) | 19:33 |
| npm | or rather it is on it's way | 19:33 |
| npm | :-) | 19:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sindriava: nokia had various programs that gave out N950s on indefinite loan | 19:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and also there's a bunch of nokia employees and subcontractors here that have them | 19:34 |
| npm | itsnotabigtruck: where's "here" ? | 19:34 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | npm: like in the channel | 19:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | maybe "bunch of" is the wrong term to use | 19:35 |
| npm | oh | 19:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it's hard not to notice all the soandso@nat/nokia/blahblah hostmasks :) | 19:35 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | hey admiral0 | 19:36 |
| admiral0 | hey :D | 19:36 |
| npm | itsnotabigtruck: yeah, they're the ones that can't talk about anything :-) | 19:37 |
| admiral0 | so many things to do | 19:38 |
| admiral0 | so little time | 19:38 |
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| faenil | I'm looking for a legal way to exchange my n950 with an n9... | 19:43 |
| mgedmin | "buy an n9, heep the n950" doesn't cut it, eh? | 19:43 |
| npm | the more i use the lumia, the more i appreciate the n950 | 19:43 |
| npm | i like the lcd display, esp for reading at home, or in bed. | 19:43 |
| mgedmin | the n9 is nicer still, even despite the silly pentile subpixel layout | 19:44 |
| faenil | npm: the more I use the Lumia, the more I love how there's a lagless alternative to iOS, let's say it | 19:45 |
| npm | the n9 will be primary phone when it arrives | 19:45 |
| aikakana | do you know where the lag in harmattan comes? | 19:46 |
| aikakana | is it the input or what | 19:46 |
| aikakana | with input i mean the hw | 19:46 |
| npm | faenil: i have an iphone 4s that i inherited... it is *way* better than lumia in every way | 19:46 |
| faenil | no it's the way popup are designed, for what concerns popups lag | 19:46 |
| npm | browser is way faster, and doesn't bork on most websites, html5 compatible etc | 19:47 |
| aikakana | ah you ment that, okay. i was thinking about menu scrolling etc | 19:47 |
| faenil | npm: but it's not smoother, that's what I mean | 19:47 |
| npm | seems very smooth, the 4s | 19:47 |
| faenil | aikakana: menu scrolling too, in some applications, like you start contacts and it lags for the first few seconds, same in messages | 19:47 |
| aikakana | yeah true | 19:47 |
| npm | dual core, A5 | 19:47 |
| npm | fast | 19:47 |
| faenil | npm: it is indeed, and Lumia is on par on that side | 19:47 |
| faenil | WP keeps an awesome locked 60fps, just like 4S | 19:48 |
| npm | not really. the lumia pukes regularly just playing back a locally stored podcast ... as soon as some background task starts | 19:48 |
| faenil | that depends on the app... | 19:48 |
| aikakana | feanil actually i wasnt meaning that either, i really wonder why the actual scrolling lags and dont follow the input very well. i cant imagine how it can be so hard to map inputs straight to graphics coords. games on n9 do it better | 19:49 |
| faenil | it probably doesn't use multithreaded for that | 19:49 |
| npm | the OS's embedded media playing app | 19:49 |
| npm | it actually depends on the media server | 19:49 |
| faenil | could be | 19:49 |
| npm | which is their hoaky way of doing background processing | 19:49 |
| faenil | I have never experienced fps drops | 19:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | npm: how does the iphone browser compare to n9's | 19:49 |
| npm | and it doesn't work | 19:49 |
| faenil | not even one | 19:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i haven't owned an iphone, though the n9 browser seems quite fine | 19:50 |
| faenil | Lumia's browser is faster than n9's, much smoother | 19:50 |
| faenil | and I can say that 100% sure | 19:50 |
| npm | it's comparable, perhaps a little faster as could be expected given the extra processor | 19:50 |
| npm | lumias browser borks on a lot of websites | 19:50 |
| faenil | faenil: and I'm not here to troll, I love the n9 as a dev device | 19:50 |
| faenil | npm: what do you mean? | 19:51 |
| npm | it won't display them | 19:51 |
| npm | anything advanced anything html5 anything non microsofty | 19:51 |
| npm | forget it | 19:51 |
| npm | so forget all the convergence towards html5 because wp7 ain't havin it | 19:52 |
| faenil | never had any problem with html5 in my daily use | 19:52 |
| npm | huh? have you tried audio? video? | 19:52 |
| npm | none of it works | 19:52 |
| faenil | yes video, and it had some buffering problems, but still usable | 19:52 |
| npm | no it simply won't display html5 audio or video | 19:52 |
| npm | nothing to do w/ buffering probs | 19:52 |
| faenil | nono it worked here | 19:53 |
| npm | the <audio> tag doesn't even work | 19:53 |
| faenil | haven't tried that | 19:53 |
| npm | well that's not even html5 then | 19:53 |
| faenil | ? | 19:54 |
| npm | the whole point of html5 is the audio and video tag. | 19:54 |
| faenil | yeah I know what you mea | 19:54 |
| npm | it's because they want to force people into silverlight | 19:54 |
| npm | and divide the market that might be going towards FOSS originated tools/ideas | 19:55 |
| npm | in comparison, the n9 rarely has troubles browsing, and when it does, i use fennec anyways | 19:56 |
| mgedmin | haven't microsoft announced silverlight is obsolete and they will switch to html5? | 19:56 |
| faenil | as far as I'm concerned, I have never experienced an fps drop on Lumia, and that makes me 100% satisfied | 19:56 |
| npm | if the lumia had fennec, or qtwebkit, it wouldn't be half as bad | 19:56 |
| npm | mgedmin: given the role of silverlight in wp7.5 development and deployment, i'd say no | 19:57 |
| Sindriava | What is the browser on N9, anyways? | 19:57 |
| Sindriava | Webkit? | 19:57 |
| npm | webkit2 ? | 19:57 |
| faenil | npm: n9 browser is slower than lumia's, come on... | 19:58 |
| faenil | you see 0 lag on lumia, on N9 you just have to open a bigger/heavier website.. | 19:58 |
| faenil | if you find a website that lags on lumia, please tell me, because I haven't found any yet | 19:58 |
| npm | 0 lag on some site designed to be viewed w/ it | 19:58 |
| faenil | nope | 19:59 |
| faenil | desktop sites | 19:59 |
| npm | but if i go to a random website, i have better luck on n950 | 19:59 |
| faenil | I'm not talking about mobile websites | 19:59 |
| npm | but also i use fennec for most of my browsing, because it syncs to firefox on desktop etc | 19:59 |
| faenil | omg, that's the worst then :D | 20:00 |
| faenil | fennec is laggy as hell on harm... | 20:00 |
| npm | i use the builtin for when i click on something | 20:00 |
| faenil | ah :) | 20:00 |
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| npm | fennec10 ... worksforme once o get around the startup issues | 20:03 |
| npm | s/o/i | 20:04 |
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| gri | I like my computer hanging up itself sometimes ... who said it's unstable to enable experimental kernel options? :D | 20:05 |
| Sindriava | Uh... this channel turned into lumia chat so slowly i didn't even notice ._. | 20:08 |
| Sindriava | Don't get me wrong, i have nothing against the Lumia itself | 20:09 |
| djszapiN9 | if lumia is a cute woman, it is ok :) | 20:09 |
| Sindriava | It's actually prettier than the N9 (i like the camera button!) | 20:09 |
| npm | lumia is a cute woman in drag | 20:10 |
| faenil | lol | 20:10 |
| Sindriava | lol | 20:10 |
| faenil | gtg, canteen time :D | 20:10 |
| Sindriava | I just don't like the WP7 :( | 20:10 |
| Sindriava | Btw, How is flash support on the N9? | 20:11 |
| npm | Sindriava: all the buttons on the lumia are the biggest fail | 20:11 |
| npm | you can't possibly hand it to a friend to show them a picture or let them talk on some app since they'll hit the back button by accident and lose the app and all the context | 20:11 |
| npm | you can't snap it into a car holder while driving because of the same... and all the buttons make it even easier to lose state and accidentally have it taking photos instead of helping you get to where you're going | 20:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sindriava: it doesn't exist... | 20:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if the browser has a plugin facility it might be possible to hack it back in | 20:13 |
| npm | whereas it's pretty difficult to accientally "swipe" | 20:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also if you want an n950 because of the lcd screen, note that most of those lcd screens have dead pixels, i hear | 20:13 |
| npm | and with the n9, there's no buttons on the bottom so it snaps into various holders easily | 20:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and amoled is the stuff, color fringing or not | 20:13 |
| npm | no i actually want an an n9 over the lumia as my daily use phone and i'm finally getting one :-) | 20:14 |
| npm | i quickly stopped using the n950 as daily use because i didn't want to join #crackedscreenclub | 20:15 |
| npm | plus i carry it around in a huge padded hardshell sunglasses case to protect it, which isn't very svelte | 20:16 |
| Sindriava | Well... i expect the browser uses the QWebView from Qt, right? | 20:16 |
| npm | so when nokia asks for it back, it'll be the best cared for n950 out there :-) | 20:17 |
| npm | "my precious" | 20:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 20:17 |
| Sindriava | :D | 20:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh btw, on the topic of the browser, does it support plugins? | 20:17 |
| Sindriava | The Qt WebView widget does | 20:18 |
| Sindriava | at least on PC | 20:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i suppose it's a moot point without a recent version of flash built for armel to hack in | 20:18 |
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| Sindriava | i hacked together a lightweight browser as a school project in Qt | 20:18 |
| Sindriava | you just need to supply the flashplayer.so file | 20:19 |
| Sindriava | and it takes care of everything | 20:19 |
| Sindriava | and enable plugins in the widget | 20:19 |
| npm | yep, you can even do it in qt http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx_EJtCu46U | 20:19 |
| npm | ^^^ flash and browser abuse | 20:20 |
| Sindriava | We just need the SO file for flash | 20:20 |
| Sindriava | i suppose we could yank it from some android phone | 20:21 |
| npm | 4516 4468 user R < 199m 20.0 31.6 /usr/local/lib/fennec-10.0a1/plugin-container 4468 tab | 20:25 |
| npm | seems like it's running flash right now ? | 20:25 |
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| xmlich02 | hi, i am not able to update profileMatic app via ovi store. any one have same problem? should i report it? | 20:51 |
| ajalkane | xmlich02: have you tried uninstalling it and then reinstalling from ovi? | 20:52 |
| ajalkane | whatever rules you have set won't be lost when you uninstall | 20:52 |
| xmlich02 | i do not tried to uninstall it. It is really necessary? Why is it not done by ovi store app? | 20:54 |
| xmlich02 | okay, i will try it | 20:54 |
| ajalkane | xmlich02: it should of course not be needed... Ovi store is just weird sometimes | 20:54 |
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| xmlich02 | it works after uninstalling and installing | 21:06 |
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| Sazpaimon | has anyone picked off the coating off of their usb cover? | 21:33 |
| Sazpaimon | it started chipping so one day I just picked it all off | 21:33 |
| Sazpaimon | still looks fine | 21:33 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Sazpaimon: its partly off on mines | 21:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | wonder if it can happen to whole body | 21:39 |
| jpwhiting | djszapiN9: hey there | 21:48 |
| jpwhiting | anyone know how to install unsigned deb packages in place of signed by nokia ones? | 21:48 |
| * jpwhiting needs a newer version of telepathy-glib, and has a package, but it's not signed | 21:48 | |
| jpwhiting | and aegis complains | 21:48 |
| djszapi | cannot | 21:49 |
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| djszapi | you cannot replace an installed package with higher trustlevel. | 21:49 |
| djszapi | I mean not without RDC :) | 21:49 |
| djszapi | or security hole for sure, so with ordinary operation. | 21:49 |
| djszapi | and unfortunately they will most likely not update telepathy-glib either :/ | 21:50 |
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| Sazpaimon | ZogG_laptop, I think the cover uses a different coating | 21:52 |
| Sazpaimon | at least it appears that way | 21:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | Sazpaimon: i hope so | 21:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | frals: byw it would be nice to have copy part of tweets or at least whole tweet (if it's still not in new version) | 21:55 |
| frals | jpwhiting: uninstall existing first and install unsigned works iir | 22:02 |
| frals | iirc* | 22:02 |
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| djszapi | I think pretty much stuff depend on telepathy-glib | 22:04 |
| jpwhiting | frals: hmm, maybe I need to ignore deps when uninstalling? | 22:04 |
| jpwhiting | yeah, it gives 30 packages to remove when I try that | 22:04 |
| frals | force-remove and reinstall | 22:04 |
| frals | buuuut | 22:04 |
| frals | might break when next PR is released but yeah | 22:04 |
| djszapi | do not be surprised if something stops working | 22:05 |
| djszapi | I would take a look at the manifest file for starter. | 22:05 |
| djszapi | and I avoid the force stuff in general :P | 22:06 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: do you need it only for one app ? | 22:06 |
| jpwhiting | djszapi: for the new package? yeah, maybe that could be fixed? | 22:06 |
| jpwhiting | djszapi: yep, only for one app | 22:06 |
| djszapi | do you need a daemon or library ? | 22:06 |
| djszapi | or what type of file do you need ? | 22:06 |
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| jpwhiting | library for my new cm | 22:07 |
| jpwhiting | which is a daemon | 22:07 |
| djszapi | you could ship the library with your app | 22:07 |
| jpwhiting | I'm using tp-glib functions that are not in the tp-glib that is installed | 22:07 |
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| jpwhiting | and change the RPath of the binary to look in my folder first or something? | 22:07 |
| jpwhiting | or is that the default for elf executables? | 22:08 |
| djszapi | rpath might work in such a simple case, but I used LD_* in kanagram | 22:08 |
| djszapi | because rpath does not work for a bit more complicated situations | 22:08 |
| Chaz6 | i prefer to use runpath instead rpath (--enable-new-dtags) | 22:09 |
| Chaz6 | i.e. LD_LIBRARY_PATH env comes first when searching rather than second | 22:09 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: I have a working example for LD_*, and I think I documented the rpath way, too. | 22:10 |
| jpwhiting | djszapi: you use LD_* in kanagram by making the .desktop file point at a script that sets those vars and runs the binary? | 22:10 |
| djszapi | unfortunately the desktop file standard is limited | 22:11 |
| djszapi | it does not respect env vars. | 22:11 |
| djszapi | so the exe line of the desktop file runs a script | 22:11 |
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| djszapi | which is basically the executable with LD_* before the command so that it is set up properly for that session | 22:11 |
| jpwhiting | yep, I've done something like that before | 22:12 |
| * jpwhiting gives it a shot | 22:12 | |
| djszapi | two liners script: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdeedu/kanagram/repository/revisions/master/entry/src/harmattan/kanagram.sh | 22:12 |
| djszapi | hashbang + one script line :) | 22:12 |
| djszapi | you could install an ldconfig file, too, but that "pollutes" the things globally, and I dislike that | 22:13 |
| djszapi | I prefer having such a custom setting only for my session. | 22:13 |
| djszapi | with ldconfig file, you do not need a hackish script | 22:13 |
| djszapi | but I rather have such a short hackish script than polluting the global settings. | 22:14 |
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| jpwhiting | yeah, that makes sense | 22:14 |
| jpwhiting | I'll try that | 22:14 |
| djszapi | afaik, that is how kalgebra and blinken work too. | 22:14 |
| djszapi | kalgebra adds the hackish script in the packaging and not in the project though for I do not know what reason :P | 22:15 |
| djszapi | probably just simple mistake. | 22:15 |
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| djszapi | jpwhiting: check out the original manifest file though. you might need to request something for that library or your app. | 22:25 |
| jpwhiting | k, will do | 22:25 |
| djszapi | in worst case scenario: it requests creds you cannot. | 22:25 |
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| djszapi | npm: ping | 22:54 |
| jpwhiting | djszapi: hmm, now to get it to build in Qt creator... | 23:01 |
| djszapi | I do not use QtCreator, sorry. :) | 23:02 |
| jpwhiting | np, I'll sort it out | 23:03 |
| blueslee | djszapi: hello, do you remember my problem with version mismatch with libxml2 and libxml2-dev, latter from harmattan-dev repos? | 23:06 |
| djszapi | yep | 23:07 |
| blueslee | djszapi: now i can play more on my n9 with my backups with the help of the rescue image | 23:07 |
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| blueslee | djszapi: last time i apt-get resp. me removed all relevant n9 packages, hehe | 23:08 |
| blueslee | djszapi: can you build a package for me or did you adressed the general issue to the repo guys? | 23:08 |
| djszapi | the sdk team does not care about it | 23:09 |
| blueslee | okay, no problem, using maemo4 as harmattan package names is misleading, but in the end its just a name:-) | 23:10 |
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| jesuschrist | hi | 23:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | blueslee: grab SDK_Sources_PR1.1.iso off doc's website | 23:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it contains source packages for most of the oss stuff on n9 pr1.1 | 23:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | some of them are missing stuff... | 23:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but anyway, you can use scratchbox and dpkg-source/dpkg-buildpackage to make a -dev package that's an exact match | 23:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then upgrade the debs in your scratchbox to the output ones from dpkg-buildpackage | 23:16 |
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| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: that is what I recommended to him few weeks ago :P | 23:18 |
| djszapi | but he does not need the sdk image since it is available online package by package even with source file. | 23:19 |
| Sindriava | Did someone actually manage to run KDE on the Nokia N9? | 23:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: i thought the harmattan beta3 repo is quite outdated | 23:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, it's weird, some stuff is, some stuff isn't, it's a hodgepodge | 23:19 |
| djszapi | if it is outdated, not because of PR1.1 | 23:20 |
| djszapi | more like because of PR1.2 anyway | 23:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for example: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/libx/libxml2/ | 23:20 |
| djszapi | Sindriava: KDE in what sense ? | 23:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that has the maemo4 version | 23:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | sdk_sources has the maemo5 version | 23:20 |
| djszapi | that does not mean outdated package... | 23:21 |
| blueslee | djszapi: its not exactly what you recommended, repackaging was the first idea, docs iso image, hmmm ... | 23:21 |
| blueslee | itsnotabigtruck: thanx | 23:21 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: fine, then here's an outdated package | 23:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/t/timed/ | 23:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's 2.50, sdk_sources has 2.53 | 23:22 |
| Sindriava | Kde like the desktop environment | 23:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which has important changes | 23:22 |
| Sindriava | like desktop session | 23:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | like i said, some stuff is updated, some isn't | 23:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it seems to have nothing to do with what's in pr1.1 -or- pr1.2 | 23:23 |
| djszapi | Sindriava: desktop on mobile ? | 23:23 |
| djszapi | does that make any sense ? | 23:23 |
| djszapi | blueslee: no, you do not understand | 23:23 |
| djszapi | I also said dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot to yoyu. | 23:23 |
| djszapi | you* | 23:23 |
| djszapi | also, I did not mess up with sdk | 23:24 |
| Sindriava | djszapi: Yup. I was just wondering if its possible to install for example Gnome-Shell on the N9 | 23:24 |
| djszapi | especially if you use (as many people do) the "official" repository added to the sources.list | 23:24 |
| djszapi | it will go haywire | 23:24 |
| Sindriava | or KDE since Qt is already present | 23:24 |
| djszapi | Sindriava: I ported kde | 23:25 |
| djszapi | but not plasma since I see no sense in it. | 23:25 |
| djszapi | it is a qgv based ui stack | 23:25 |
| djszapi | plasma active is ugly on N9 | 23:25 |
| djszapi | but that is not the desktop version anyway | 23:25 |
| blueslee | djszapi: you might be right, yes | 23:25 |
| djszapi | Sindriava: I have a kde app, if you wanna test it :) | 23:26 |
| djszapi | will be pushing against ovi once they fix the payment issues. | 23:26 |
| Sindriava | Do you have some screens? | 23:26 |
| Sindriava | *any | 23:26 |
| djszapi | not with the bleeding edge version, sorry. | 23:26 |
| Sindriava | any screens suffice :) | 23:27 |
| Sindriava | just for orientation | 23:27 |
| Sindriava | i can't really imagine how it looks | 23:27 |
| djszapi | try it out | 23:28 |
| djszapi | faster than taking a screenshot really :) | 23:28 |
| djszapi | and then hacking out the device for showing | 23:28 |
| djszapi | it can be purge removed in no time after all | 23:29 |
| Sindriava | I don't have the phone yet | 23:29 |
| Sindriava | so screens are definitely faster :D | 23:29 |
| djszapi | heh nvm | 23:30 |
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| djszapi | blueslee: anyway, try the sdk :) | 23:31 |
| djszapi | because repackaging seemed a bit of issue for you ;) | 23:31 |
| Sindriava | How does the porting process even work? You just recompile or do you have to do some coding? | 23:32 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Sindriava: like i said, you can build from the exact same source package used to build for pr1.1 | 23:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and get the dev debs that nokia should have uploaded to the sdk repo in the first place | 23:33 |
| blueslee | djszapi: i tried dpkg-deb which needed a newer version of tar because of a known bug, apt-getting from the repos was suggesting removing all kind of packages:-) | 23:34 |
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| Sindriava | I see... Thanks :) | 23:34 |
| Sindriava | I can't wait for my 64GB N9 to arrive :3 | 23:34 |
| blueslee | djszapi: i am downloading the sdk sources ... | 23:35 |
| djszapi | Sindriava: I think itsnotabigtruck wanted to talk to blueslee | 23:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | whoops, yeah | 23:35 |
| djszapi | Sindriava: porting: I have done most of the work for kdelibs alone sadly. | 23:35 |
| djszapi | a full bunch of people work on the porting for debian, so imagine ... | 23:35 |
| djszapi | but you need to port from the ground up | 23:35 |
| Sindriava | oh ^^' | 23:35 |
| Sindriava | Oh yeah, where can i find any news about porting of ICS Android to the n9? | 23:36 |
| djszapi | any help is welcome really | 23:36 |
| djszapi | I do not have time to update to 4.8 for instance | 23:36 |
| Sindriava | A search the forums, but i have no clue | 23:36 |
| djszapi | and 4.7 does not contain the bleeding edge bug fixes | 23:36 |
| djszapi | and plasma components. | 23:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sindriava: you can probably give up on ever being able to use your N9 as a phone with android on it | 23:36 |
| djszapi | Sindriava: http://t.co/9ir0Vv9A | 23:37 |
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| blueslee | it makes not much sense to run nitdroid on n9, this is my opinion | 23:37 |
| Sindriava | Why? The n900 seemed to handle android pretty well | 23:37 |
| djszapi | I would love. | 23:38 |
| blueslee | without calls it makes less sense | 23:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sindriava: ok, so you were talking about repackaging other than blueslee's libxml conundrum? | 23:38 |
| Sindriava | me? | 23:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, that's what confused me | 23:39 |
| djszapi | blueslee: why ? | 23:39 |
| djszapi | perfect match for experimenting with the platform | 23:39 |
| blueslee | djszapi: you will not be able to replace harmattan, its just about impressing people with multibooting different os'es | 23:39 |
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| djszapi | I mean I do not need to carry two phones all the time. | 23:39 |
| Sindriava | It would be a shame, the N9 is perfect piece of hardware for ICS | 23:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sindriava: anyway, theoretically lots of stuff can be ported with zero code changes | 23:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | especially if it's already a debian package | 23:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | would need to just tweak the package a bit | 23:40 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | major problems are a) dependencies, the N9 repo is pretty thin | 23:40 |
| djszapi | this is unfortunately not true for the kde stack | 23:40 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | so that means you need to port the package, and everything it depends on, and everything those depend on | 23:40 |
| djszapi | it was more months to port. | 23:40 |
| djszapi | just kdelibs. | 23:40 |
| blueslee | djszapi: thats right, its just playing around, i would prefer easy debian | 23:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and b) for gui apps it won't exactly be smooth | 23:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it would definitely take quite a bit of code and time to nativize a gui app | 23:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | depends on the type of app and how much you care about it looking nice, ofc | 23:41 |
| djszapi | I wish that was the biggest issue :) | 23:41 |
| Sindriava | Is there like a package list of the packages in the N9 repo? | 23:41 |
| djszapi | porting something more serious is a huge amount of time, sadly. | 23:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sindriava: easiest way is to dpkg -l from your phone | 23:42 |
| djszapi | Sindriava: apt-cache search :) | 23:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but that won't do you any good because you don't have one yet | 23:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the nokia repository is doing some funky user agent checking or something | 23:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so you can't just view the packages file | 23:42 |
| Sindriava | aw :/ | 23:42 |
| djszapi | well I definitely can in sb | 23:42 |
| Sindriava | ok then, is there ruby in the repo? | 23:43 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | er yeah, apt-cache search '', not dpkg -l | 23:43 |
| djszapi | without any target phone. | 23:43 |
| djszapi | Sindriava: yeah | 23:43 |
| Sindriava | wonderful | 23:43 |
| djszapi | is it ? | 23:43 |
| Sindriava | I want to install Vim, and the only dependency i am aware of is ruby | 23:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, it's got perl, python2.6, and ruby | 23:43 |
| Sindriava | maybe only for gvim, though | 23:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you can compile vim without ruby | 23:43 |
| djszapi | I packaged vim, and works | 23:43 |
| djszapi | do not worry :) | 23:43 |
| Sindriava | Wonderful :) | 23:44 |
| Sindriava | Apparently, no real deps | 23:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for some reason python3 is in the dev repo but not the actual repo | 23:44 |
| djszapi | any js/json guru here ? | 23:44 |
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| djszapi | http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2006/05/31/converting-between-xml-and-json.html -> does anybody think there is a better json structuring ? | 23:45 |
| djszapi | for conversion between json and xml. | 23:45 |
| Sindriava | is there a git package? | 23:46 |
| djszapi | yes | 23:46 |
| djszapi | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/packages?project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan -> ctrl+f please | 23:47 |
| ieatlint | why are you converting to/from json/xml? | 23:47 |
| djszapi | or use the search field for this repo. | 23:47 |
| Sindriava | awesome! Just what i wanted | 23:47 |
| Sindriava | Thank you :) | 23:47 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: because we support both output formats in our open standard. | 23:47 |
| djszapi | and I would like to have clear mapping between the two outputs back and forth | 23:48 |
| ieatlint | fair enough | 23:48 |
| djszapi | and I have not seen cleaner way than above. | 23:48 |
| djszapi | a bit ugly, but works. Other simpler things did not work out. | 23:48 |
| ieatlint | yeah, it looks horrible, but if you want to be able to reliably translate between the two with identical results, it works | 23:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | <g6:json_group g6:xmlns="urn:omg:such:a:long:namespace:dont:you:love:namespaces:version2_0_1998_360_4800"><g6:json_object classifier="g7:primitives.string" xmlns:g7="urn:very:important:core:things"><g7:value_selector construct="xs:string">hello world!</g7:value_selector></g6:json_object></g6:json_group> | 23:49 |
| djszapi | <e name="value">text</e> -> "e": [ {"@name": "value"} , "text"] instead of "e": { "@name": | 23:50 |
| djszapi | "value", "#text": "text" } | 23:50 |
| djszapi | thought it could be something like that | 23:50 |
| djszapi | but apparently not | 23:50 |
| djszapi | if I try to make the above guide simpler, it breaks somewhere to me. | 23:50 |
| ieatlint | itsnotabigtruck: exactly. xml is simple! | 23:50 |
| jpwhiting | djszapi: ok, when my script runs my binary under /opt/projectname/bin/projectname.bin it says /usr/lib/libtelepathy-glib.so.0: version TELEPATHY_GLIB_0.15.6' not found | 23:50 |
| jpwhiting | even though that's the version of telepathy-glib I have right next to it | 23:51 |
| ieatlint | people keep complaining about schema, but they just don't understand that the reason why they hate it is because they're making it too simple | 23:51 |
| * jpwhiting double checks it's there | 23:51 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | to be fair xml isn't that bad, and it can be simple | 23:51 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: /usr/lib ? | 23:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it has a tendency to attract people who create horrific complexity for bad reasons | 23:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just like java | 23:51 |
| djszapi | why not /opt/projectname/lib/ ? | 23:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | xml is the java of data formats | 23:51 |
| jpwhiting | djszapi: that's what I'm wondering | 23:52 |
| ieatlint | itsnotabigtruck: i'm purely kidding.. i actually prefer xml to json | 23:52 |
| djszapi | jonni: maybe /usr/lib is before the custom path ? | 23:52 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting, sorry | 23:52 |
| jpwhiting | my script at /usr/lib/telepathy/projectname does LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/projectname/bin /opt/projectname/bin/projectname.bin | 23:52 |
| jpwhiting | after #!/bin/bash | 23:52 |
| ieatlint | json is a series of arrays, xml is more like a struct | 23:53 |
| jpwhiting | maybe since it's a telepathy cm telepathy is setting some env that puts /usr/lib before LD_LIBRARY_PATH? | 23:53 |
| ieatlint | and i prefer to parse xml | 23:53 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: I have used #!/bin/sh | 23:54 |
| djszapi | but that might not be relevant | 23:54 |
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| jpwhiting | heh, there is no /bin/bash, brilliant | 23:54 |
| * jpwhiting fixes | 23:54 | |
| djszapi | I do not have any issues with parsing either ... | 23:54 |
| djszapi | I mean both are cool | 23:54 |
| jpwhiting | except that harmattan doesn't seem to have /bin/bash installed :) | 23:55 |
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| djszapi | jpwhiting: I was referring to the json/xml preferences. | 23:55 |
| jpwhiting | ah :) | 23:55 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: btw, planning to make a QtSocial Qt5 add-on module, sort of attica successor for OCS2.x. | 23:56 |
| djszapi | or QtCollaboration, not sure about terming. | 23:56 |
| djszapi | it would probably be an abstracted module integrating OpenSocial as a "backend" as well, not just OCS. | 23:57 |
| jpwhiting | djszapi: nice | 23:57 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: so does telepathy project work now ? | 23:57 |
| djszapi | the* | 23:57 |
| jpwhiting | with /bin/sh? no, still can't run the shell script from a ssh devel-su session | 23:58 |
| jpwhiting | and the Qt creator one sets some env, so maybe that's why /usr/lib was first | 23:58 |
| djszapi | try to export it explicitely. | 23:58 |
| djszapi | wait wait | 23:58 |
| djszapi | "my script at /usr/lib/telepathy/projectname does LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/projectname/bin /opt/projectname/bin/projectname.bin" | 23:59 |
| djszapi | why bin ? | 23:59 |
| djszapi | you put the library into the bin folder ? | 23:59 |
| djszapi | why not /opt/projectname/lib ? | 23:59 |
| jpwhiting | that's where I'm installing the shared lib to | 23:59 |
| djszapi | so try to export it, like: | 23:59 |
| djszapi | export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/projectname/lib:LD_LIBRARY_PATH | 23:59 |
| djszapi | orin your case bin | 23:59 |
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