IRC log of #harmattan for Wednesday, 2012-02-08

gri	yes, if you use scratchbox - I don't	00:00
SqRt7744	djszapi, is that an actual question or do you have a better suggestion that you are keeping from us?	00:00
djszapi	this is false because of several reasons	00:00
djszapi	gri: no, it is not sb specific	00:00
gri	also scratchbox is not available for the windows users of us	00:00
djszapi	it has been a very old technology to test ui from the build environment	00:00
djszapi	it was even possible for fremantle actually	00:00
djszapi	secondly, ui testing is pretty fast on the phone	00:00
itsnotabigtruck	gri: virtualbox ftw	00:00
djszapi	actually, same workflow	00:00
djszapi	edit qml/done	00:00
* djszapi has no idea why one would need custom harmattan build for desktop		00:01
SqRt7744	djszapi, not as fast as my computer. I used to do it on the phone, but it is a waste of time.	00:01
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gri	Everybody has his own favourite workflow, no need to criticize other ways	00:01
Venemo	gri ++	00:01
djszapi	haha	00:01
djszapi	I see no point in that workflow	00:01
gri	you also do not see a point in QtCreator	00:02
djszapi	I do not see the problem with phone testing seriously.	00:02
djszapi	everything else seems like a hassle.	00:02
SqRt7744	who gives a sh*t?	00:02
Venemo	I prefer testing on da N950	00:02
djszapi	if qml running on phone was slow, we would have serious troubles with qml apps	00:03
Venemo	SqRt7744, please be a bit more polite :)	00:03
SqRt7744	djszapi, it has nothing to do with the UI being slow on the phone, and everything to with changing-building-uploading-to-phone-grabbing-phone-unlocking-screen-mucking-around-putting-phone-down-returning-attention-to-computer, etc, in an endless loop. When I actually want to test the program then of course I do that on the phone, but all the small stuff I just do on the desktop	00:04
djszapi	building huh ?	00:04
djszapi	what are you talking about ?	00:05
djszapi	qml is an interpreted language	00:05
SqRt7744	nothing. forget about it.	00:05
djszapi	no need for any build	00:05
djszapi	no need for uploading either	00:05
SqRt7744	I'm not writing pure QML, but Qt/C++ with a QML ui	00:05
djszapi	sounds like you do not understand the qml development workflow on the phone then	00:05
djszapi	at lesat how effective it can be	00:05
SqRt7744	djszapi, sounds like it's time for me to go to bed, i have lost interest in this pointless conversation	00:06
djszapi	haha	00:06
SqRt7744	good night	00:06
djszapi	you got the idea edit/run enough	00:06
djszapi	sounds rude to call pointless for helping you out.	00:06
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gri	djszapi: I also do not share your opinion in this and talking about this more and more is pointles as SqRt7744 thinks since no one of us will change his favourite workflow which seems to work perfectly for everyone of us :)	00:07
djszapi	it is a broken workflow objectively.	00:08
gri	whatever you may call it :)	00:08
djszapi	it sounds plain fishy.	00:09
gri	you always have the last word? :D	00:09
djszapi	you make an extra build for something that was designed at all for that platform, you test on a platform where it was not designed for, and then you finally need to test on the target platform where it was supposed to work, whereas you could do that directly.	00:10
djszapi	was not designed*	00:10
itsnotabigtruck	gri: using scratchbox is a really good idea though...it's so cool	00:10
gri	declare the desktop build as simulator	00:10
itsnotabigtruck	it makes programming the N9 like programming a normal linux system	00:10
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itsnotabigtruck	having to use linux if your normal OS is windows is a disadvantage, but using a VM to access it is worth it	00:11
djszapi	you cannot tell it to gri :)	00:11
djszapi	he has his own workflow :p	00:11
itsnotabigtruck	also you can't really port stuff in with just qt sdk	00:11
gri	djszapi: I usally test everything on the device but I also see a point for the desktop qt-components for harmattan	00:12
djszapi	desktop qt-components on Harmattan what ?	00:12
gri	qt-components for harmattan on a desktop - better?	00:12
djszapi	do you really think the desktop components fits well on harmattan ?	00:12
djszapi	yes, that is exactly the opposite :)	00:12
gri	itsnotabigtruck: I'm fine with QtSDK without scratchbox as it runs the application directly on the phone and my application can only be tested on a phone and not in a simulator or scratchbox	00:13
djszapi	you do not even need qtsdk for that, but yeah testing on the phone directly rocks	00:14
itsnotabigtruck	gri: well, depending on the app you could fake the relevant parts when run in scratchbox	00:14
djszapi	especially if qtcreator can avoid bothering with repackaging.	00:14
gri	packaging takes about 3 seconds here	00:15
djszapi	it takes 0 seconds here :)	00:15
itsnotabigtruck	i thought your major issue though was that you didn't want to deploy over and over, because doing that is annoying	00:15
djszapi	sinceI do not need to repackage.	00:15
itsnotabigtruck	fair enough, it is	00:15
gri	the only thing that takes a while is the installing on the phone	00:15
djszapi	that is why it sucks.	00:15
itsnotabigtruck	but simulation of the device is a big step forward from running the app on windows qt and hoping it works	00:15
djszapi	why not just edit qml files, and run ?	00:15
djszapi	I do not really understand.	00:16
gri	djszapi: most of my code is c++	00:16
djszapi	please do not change topic	00:16
djszapi	we were discussing ui elements above	00:16
Venemo	~seen sfietkonstantin	00:16
djszapi	for quick testing	00:16
itsnotabigtruck	btw check out kuedo / severant - awesome album	00:16
Venemo	where the hell is infobot?	00:16
Venemo	eh.	00:16
djszapi	so ui elements: qml -> why not edit and run ?	00:16
gri	djszapi: I never edit files on the phone, I would have to copy them back for versioning	00:17
itsnotabigtruck	Venemo: went kaputt last night	00:17
djszapi	(the question - initial - was effectiveness, not personal taste)	00:17
Venemo	itsnotabigtruck :(	00:17
gri	do non-germans understand "kaputt"? :)	00:18
djszapi	gri: no, it copies automatically to the proper place for write	00:18
djszapi	it is all automated for me.	00:18
itsnotabigtruck	gri: well, i'm a non-german, so yes :p	00:18
djszapi	even the run is automated actually.	00:19
itsnotabigtruck	we stole your word as slang :D	00:19
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djszapi	and the ui testing can even be misleading in a fake environment at times.	00:21
gri	I did not say it's perfect but for small tests it's ok	00:22
gri	for example checking code someone pasted in pastebin	00:22
djszapi	why cannot you test on the device directly, if you have access to that device ?	00:23
djszapi	at least, I can: 1) vi open 2) paste 3) run	00:23
gri	there are times where I read questions and don't have my phone plugged at the computer :)	00:24
itsnotabigtruck	btw instead of installing you could SCP your files over and run it	00:24
itsnotabigtruck	just make sure to run it from develsh if you assert any privileges	00:24
djszapi	gri: the guy did have phone, afaiu	00:25
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faenil	guess who's baaack	00:25
gri	berlusconi?	00:25
faenil	lol	00:25
faenil	hope not	00:25
djszapi	hitel jugend ? :D	00:26
faenil	but people keep blaming the new one too, so...	00:26
itsnotabigtruck	lol	00:26
ieatlint	jim henson	00:26
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faenil	ME!!!	00:27
faenil	XD	00:27
djszapi	so even worse ... :p	00:27
* djszapi hides		00:27
* faenil cries		00:27
gri	don't! Your tears can become ice very fast these days	00:28
ieatlint	can we get a picture of you crying?	00:28
faenil	right right	00:28
ieatlint	it'll help lighten up my day	00:28
faenil	no u cunt!	00:28
faenil	oops can't	00:28
itsnotabigtruck	http://i.imgur.com/d8fM5.jpg	00:28
faenil	:)	00:28
ieatlint	haha	00:28
ieatlint	"oops"	00:28
faenil	:)	00:28
itsnotabigtruck	apparently the photo's a shop, but still, lol	00:29
faenil	lol	00:29
faenil	no really, I'm going to cry if I don't get the shared context to work within the next hour	00:30
faenil	:D	00:30
faenil	I'm just back from volley training, mind's fresh!	00:30
itsnotabigtruck	faenil: then encrypt your email :p	00:31
itsnotabigtruck	did you try calling eglGetError() and seeing what error you get	00:31
faenil	no gri sent me a link	00:32
itsnotabigtruck	though problematically calling eglGetError resets it, so if qt got there first you won't get the code	00:32
faenil	where they say you can't create a qglcontext without setting its paintdevice	00:32
faenil	and you can't set the paintdevice	00:32
itsnotabigtruck	ahh	00:32
faenil	so	00:32
faenil	you have to create qglwidget or qpixelbuffer or stuff like that	00:32
faenil	and then get its context	00:32
itsnotabigtruck	that sort of stuff gets really painful with qt	00:33
djszapi	that is exactly the way	00:33
faenil	or subclass qglcontext and implement setpaintdevice	00:33
itsnotabigtruck	everything is hidden behind implementation pointers and what not, never mind that there's often gaping holes in functionality	00:33
djszapi	I believe we also created a qglwidget in gluongraphics.	00:33
faenil	but I don't need a widget djszapi	00:33
faenil	I just need a context	00:33
itsnotabigtruck	and you need to access the underlying handles to fill in the gap	00:33
djszapi	faenil: that is your problem with qt then	00:33
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faenil	qt doesn't let me just create a context :D	00:34
faenil	I don't want the rest :D	00:34
djszapi	what would be the point of that ?	00:34
djszapi	you can create context without qt, too	00:34
djszapi	especially if you write a harmattan app.	00:35
faenil	yes, but I thought it would have been easier with qt :P	00:35
faenil	since there is a QGLContext	00:35
djszapi	why do you need qt for creating the context ?	00:35
faenil	I don't	00:35
faenil	I just thought it would have been easier than using gl calls and setting all the stuff	00:35
faenil	and I want it to share data with the ui context	00:36
djszapi	in the texture we only ask the current context: QGLContext::currentContext()	00:36
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faenil	yeah but I need two context with the same data so that I can add data in a second thread without messing up opengl	00:37
itsnotabigtruck	faenil: QGLContext::fromPlatformGLContext < what if you try using that	00:37
djszapi	well, setting up a context should not be a hassle with gl calls either really :)	00:37
itsnotabigtruck	it sounds like it lets you create a context with EGL and wrap it in a qt object	00:37
itsnotabigtruck	note that using EGL directly is kind of a pita...	00:37
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djszapi	uhhh, that fromPlatformGLContext is really a dirty one	00:38
djszapi	asking for an undocumented class that you need to pass.	00:39
faenil	:D	00:39
itsnotabigtruck	this is all assuming the N9 uses egl, on second thought maybe that isn't actually the case	00:40
itsnotabigtruck	it uses x, so there's a good chance it uses glx	00:40
djszapi	no, it is egl	00:40
djszapi	(afaik)	00:40
itsnotabigtruck	nah, looks like it does indeed use egl	00:40
itsnotabigtruck	(sorry if i was being a little redundant earlier w/r/t what djszapi has been saying)	00:44
djszapi	it is ok :)	00:44
djszapi	I just also defended the sb, scp workflow :)	00:45
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itsnotabigtruck	oh btw faenil: there's a bunch of libraries specifically for setting up opengl contexts	00:48
itsnotabigtruck	i don't know how many of them support EGL	00:48
itsnotabigtruck	i know that nokia ported and packaged sdl, which can set up opengl contexts	00:48
itsnotabigtruck	sdl isn't that great but it does do the trick	00:48
djszapi	qt can also do that, but the codebase is not nice :p	00:48
itsnotabigtruck	heh	00:49
faenil	guys, I'll just try creating a QPixelBuffer and then load things on its context :P	00:49
djszapi	why pixelbuffer ?	00:50
faenil	don't know :) it gives me a context :)	00:51
itsnotabigtruck	djszapi: well, looking at the egl api docs	00:51
faenil	a shared context	00:51
itsnotabigtruck	you can't select a context without also selecting draw/read surfaces	00:51
djszapi	https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/games/gluon/repository/revisions/master/entry/graphics/glheaders.h#L43 -> interesting, we do not have egl-aware debug macro then.	00:52
faenil	:)	00:52
itsnotabigtruck	which means either using the screen, or a pixbuf	00:52
djszapi	we used qglwidget	00:52
itsnotabigtruck	and i'm not sure if you're allowed to have two contexts on the same surface	00:52
djszapi	and it worked.	00:52
itsnotabigtruck	but qglwidget is intended for rendering things onscreen...it might be heavier than e.g. allocating a 1x1 pixbuf	00:52
djszapi	I always had the impression pixbuffer is a bit obsolete technology.	00:53
djszapi	might confuse it with some other jargon name.	00:53
itsnotabigtruck	well, i think they're considered obsolete compared to FBOs	00:54
djszapi	exactly so much	00:54
djszapi	and we use fbo + glwidget afaik	00:55
itsnotabigtruck	except they're considered obsolete for doing offscreen rendering, but faenil isn't doing offscreen rendering	00:55
itsnotabigtruck	well, for now	00:55
faenil	nah I just need it to add mesh data to the context	00:56
faenil	it's a 3d model viewer	00:56
faenil	I want to avoid UI freezing while loading a heavy 3d model	00:56
faenil	that's what I'm trying to do	00:56
djszapi	heh, we already achieved that in gluon :)	00:57
djszapi	with qt..	00:57
faenil	and I'm doing it too :	00:57
faenil	:)	00:57
faenil	because it's my thesis	00:57
djszapi	copy/paste gluon :P	00:57
faenil	nah :D	00:57
djszapi	that is where you end up in the end though for that functionality	00:58
djszapi	by the way, the "assimp" library name is a bit weird :)	00:58
djszapi	that is what we used for importing assets.	00:58
djszapi	meshes from file afaik.	00:58
faenil	:)	00:58
faenil	now, how do I get the qglwidget which is set as viewport from my QDeclarativeItem? XD	00:59
djszapi	what are you trying to do ?	01:00
faenil	create the QGLPixelBuffer to share the context...	01:00
faenil	but I need the current QGLWidget, that's what the QGLPixelBuffer asks for	01:00
djszapi	..and where does the QDI come into existence here ?	01:00
faenil	it's the item where I draw models	01:01
faenil	so that I can make the rest of the UI in qml :)	01:01
djszapi	we solved this in gluon because our in game ui is qml based, and the game itself opengl, but I cannot help with the details, I am afraid.	01:02
faenil	no problem :) anyway, you always said gluon was 2d :)	01:02
itsnotabigtruck	opengl is a good way to get fast 2d though	01:03
itsnotabigtruck	as long as you're willing to deal with it being an immense pita to work with	01:03
faenil	sure	01:03
djszapi	faenil: and how is the context creation 3d specific ? ;)	01:03
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faenil	djszapi: it's not, just wanted to know if I had lost any improvement in gluon :D	01:03
djszapi	not afaik, we still have a 2d implementation, but this is not architectural limitation.	01:04
djszapi	though, the assimp works with 3d meshes just fine.	01:05
faenil	ok	01:05
djszapi	but our particle system is scaled for 3d	01:05
djszapi	which is a problem with the qml2 particles	01:05
faenil	well I'm using a big library to deal with meshes, VCGLib	01:05
djszapi	when I last checked their code, it was only x and y.	01:05
faenil	built from the same research centre I'm doing this software for	01:05
djszapi	anybody idea what type of variable to choose for temporarily storing a stringlist model data, modify and then reassign the temp variable to the model data ?	01:10
itsnotabigtruck	in c++?	01:12
itsnotabigtruck	how about an auto variable	01:12
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faenil	wonder what's the relationship between QDeclItem::paint(...,...,...,QWidget widget) and the QGLWidget viewport I need	01:23
faenil	what if it's the same :D	01:25
faenil	mmm...who knows	01:26
djszapi	what I did not like about the context class is that it is not a qobject	01:27
djszapi	so you cannot catch its destroy so easily and so on	01:27
djszapi	and multicontext issues are nightmares :)	01:27
djszapi	the relationship is for instance, QGlWidget is a widget as well	01:27
faenil	yes of course	01:28
faenil	substitution principle	01:28
faenil	or I could set the QGLWidget as a qml property	01:29
faenil	and then set it to the QDeclItem from qml	01:29
faenil	nah I guess that QWidget is the QGLWidget I'm looking for	01:32
faenil	the one you setViewport() from main	01:33
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djszapi	anybody willing to test the app before pushing to OVI ? :)	01:55
djszapi	it is a super simple anagram game :)	01:55
ieatlint	sure	01:57
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djszapi	https://filetea.me/t1s5e190	02:00
ieatlint	404	02:02
djszapi	yes, they have a strange service	02:03
djszapi	it is randomly up for few minutes	02:03
djszapi	in this special case less than 2 minutes :)	02:03
djszapi	I still have the same link in the browser with my app showed	02:03
djszapi	did not work after f5 though	02:03
djszapi	https://filetea.me/t1s942db	02:04
ieatlint	ok, not an n9 friendly link :P	02:04
ieatlint	but downloading now from my workstation	02:05
djszapi	do you know a better file sharing service ?	02:06
ieatlint	nope, i just use a hosted server for such things and scp stuff up	02:06
ieatlint	wait, how big should it be?	02:07
djszapi	5.2 MB	02:07
ieatlint	i get installation failed... download i got was 1596962 bytes	02:07
ieatlint	yeah, the download got cut off :P	02:08
djszapi	heh	02:08
djszapi	no clue then, sorry.	02:08
ieatlint	feel free to email it to me, or just give up :P	02:08
djszapi	I do not unfortunately know any better service than this	02:08
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djszapi	they seem to remove the file in 1-2 minutes	02:09
djszapi	may my bank charge me with some extra fee for making this 1 EUR Ovi payment ?	02:19
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ieatlint	uh, if your account is in a currency other than euros, you'll probably get a foreign currency fee	02:21
djszapi	I just recall I had to pay something like 10 EUR more when I did not make the transfer in my netbank account	02:22
djszapi	but explicitely giving out the data (while booking a flight ticket).	02:22
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itsnotabigtruck	credit card foreign currency fees are usually around 3%	02:31
itsnotabigtruck	so not that big of a deal on a 1 euro charge	02:32
itsnotabigtruck	but no idea about it on a debit card	02:32
djszapi	visa election / debit / eur	02:32
itsnotabigtruck	http://www.nordea.fi/Personal+customers/Cards+and+payments/Cards/Prices/1012022.html	02:45
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itsnotabigtruck	hmm, i'm not finding anything about foreign currency transaction fees there	02:45
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itsnotabigtruck	(also, 24 euros a year for a debit card? x_x)	02:46
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itsnotabigtruck	djszapi: er, wait a min, your account is probably in EUR, so why is a foreign transaction fee an issue?	02:51
itsnotabigtruck	but i did find this http://www.nordea.fi/Personal+customers/Cards+and+payments/Advice+on+cards+and+payments/Exchange+rates+to+card+transactions/1414462.html	02:51
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faenil	qml doesn't let you use enums as function parameters :O	03:40
faenil	crap!	03:40
ieatlint	javascript doesn't have enums i thought?	03:44
ieatlint	should translate back to ints fine	03:44
faenil	it says type unrecognized	03:50
faenil	I'm passing the enum from c++ to qml	03:50
faenil	and qml sees it correctly (the autocompletion sees it)	03:50
faenil	but I get the error at runtime	03:50
ieatlint	huh... i guess cast it to int in c++ first	03:51
faenil	I used another workaround	03:52
faenil	but eh	03:52
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djszapi	itsnotabigtruck: cool thanks	06:01
djszapi	sorry, I was napping	06:01
djszapi	itsnotabigtruck: I was thinking of some extra fee stuff because of the money transfer explicitely, and not because of exchange rate	06:03
djszapi	as I said, one of my cards has euro account	06:03
djszapi	but if I do not make the flight reservation via my netbank, but explicitely: they charge me 10 EUR or so	06:03
djszapi	and I do not see a netbank payment option for OVI, just explicite one.	06:04
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itsnotabigtruck	djszapi: hmm...are you sure that isn't the airine charging you?	06:50
itsnotabigtruck	some european uber-budget carriers charge excessive payment fees for using a credit card	06:50
itsnotabigtruck	because they don't want to pay the 2-3% visa/mc/amex/etc. surcharge	06:50
itsnotabigtruck	perhaps they save money by having you initiate an eft from your bank?	06:51
itsnotabigtruck	but maybe visa electron cards are different...i'm not familiar with those	06:53
djszapi	it might be the airline, but I am unsure.	06:54
djszapi	I will ask some Finnish person already registered for OVI :)	06:54
djszapi	once, they wake up :P	06:54
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ieatlint	sleep is good though	07:02
djszapi	I wish I could sleep only once a long, like bears	07:05
djszapi	every year or so	07:05
ieatlint	bears sleep year round	07:07
ieatlint	many do "hibernate" during the winter, but they still sleep each day	07:08
djszapi	I would enjoy not sleeping every day, just periodically though.	07:08
ieatlint	just do a 30h days... 20h awake, 10h asleep :P	07:08
djszapi	=)	07:09
SpeedEvil	I want 26 hour days.	07:09
SpeedEvil	That would really suit.	07:09
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djszapi	I think it would be fair if they showed some notification about extra money transfer fee, if that would be the case. I hope they are not gonna charge me since I do not have any notification of those.	07:11
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ieatlint	make it 28h days and you'll have 6 day weeks that match the normal week at the beginning/end	07:11
djszapi	if that was the case*	07:11
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npm	wow the n900 is only $998 new: http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B004DKCOXO/sr=8-38/qid=1328679267/	07:35
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beford	shut up and take my money!	07:40
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ieatlint	happy to oblige	07:41
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itsnotabigtruck	hmm, i just noticed that on the sdk_sources_pr1.1.iso image, the .diff.gz files are omitted	08:07
itsnotabigtruck	despite being mentioned in the .dsc (debian source package description) files	08:07
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itsnotabigtruck	though actually it looks like a lot of the debian stuff is rolled into the main .tar.gz	08:08
djszapi	anybody using slideshare for uploading the presentation material ? It writes network issue for me with a 4 MB pdf. Is that beyond the limit ?	08:15
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djszapi	heh, Ovi store: "We are currently experiencing heavier loads than usual. Please try again in a few minutes."	09:32
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l32606	harmattan doesn't allow to monitor dbus method_call?	09:47
l32606	i used dbus_monitor cmd and can only got the dbus signal msgs...	09:48
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djszapi	interesting why the Nokia Ovi registration fee is rejected without any further information: http://paste.kde.org/202124/	10:00
ieatlint	indeed odd	10:01
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djszapi	do they accept Visa Electron too ?	10:01
ieatlint	i'm surprised that processing a credit card transaction for 1EUR would be such an ordeal	10:02
ieatlint	as i recall, visa electron can process the same as a regular visa card	10:02
djszapi	it is not a credit card	10:02
djszapi	it is a debit card.	10:02
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ieatlint	the distinction is relative these days	10:02
djszapi	anyway, the payment page does not load through the nokia proxy	10:03
djszapi	which is weird for Nokia store :d	10:03
djszapi	secondly, I get this error with my mobile internet	10:03
ieatlint	in the US, a debit card can be used exactly like a visa card (or mastercard, as it may be) -- except no credit is issued and (with exceptions) your "credit" limit is your bank account balance	10:03
djszapi	I do not see any other way than calling them.	10:05
djszapi	I certainly have one eur on my account :)	10:05
ieatlint	alternatively you could call your bank	10:06
djszapi	why ?	10:06
ieatlint	tell them you just tried to charge 1EUR to it via nokia in finland and ask if they somehow stopped it	10:06
djszapi	it worked just fine yesterday while buying a season ticket.	10:06
ieatlint	could be they somehow marked it as potential fraud	10:06
ieatlint	they might give you info at least	10:07
djszapi	I got the error message immediately right after the click	10:07
djszapi	maybe ~5 seconds.	10:07
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ieatlint	doesn't take long for it to be approved or denied	10:07
ieatlint	just saying your bank may be able to give you info faster than ovi	10:07
djszapi	this is a shame how much trouble to register a publisher account /me sighs	10:08
ieatlint	not so much here...	10:09
djszapi	that does not obviously help me	10:10
ieatlint	i know at one point a nokia manager offered to waive the fee for me	10:10
djszapi	anyway, I do not find any contact number either	10:10
ieatlint	so you might be able to contact someone who can help	10:10
djszapi	it is not about the fee	10:10
djszapi	it is about the trouble	10:10
djszapi	time wasting...	10:10
ieatlint	yeah	10:10
itsnotabigtruck	btw get a credit card - especially since your debit card has fees	10:10
ieatlint	that's the point	10:10
djszapi	itsnotabigtruck: it is not	10:11
djszapi	having...asked around.	10:11
itsnotabigtruck	and depending on your bank, authorizations show up immediately	10:11
djszapi	is there any contact phone number for these ovi publish stuff guys ?	10:11
itsnotabigtruck	if they don't, and you're very impatient, you could call your bank and have them look up authorizations against your account	10:11
djszapi	well I guess the card number is the 16 (4x4) digits, or ?	10:12
itsnotabigtruck	oh, you haven't actually charged it yet	10:12
itsnotabigtruck	what was the error you got?	10:12
djszapi	itsnotabigtruck: it is not about waiting	10:12
djszapi	it is rejected in couple of seconds	10:12
djszapi	http://paste.kde.org/202124/	10:12
Tronic	Debit charges your bank account instantly. Credit is charged from you only much later (you have to make a bank transfer) even if you are not actually using any credit. At least in Finland...	10:12
ieatlint	16 digits with a luhn algorithm checksum :P	10:13
itsnotabigtruck	djszapi: that's weird...call your bank	10:13
djszapi	why bank ?	10:13
djszapi	it works for other payments.	10:13
itsnotabigtruck	because they could check if the payment was declined, or if they even tried to authorize	10:13
ieatlint	because spending 1EUR online at ovi store may be considered suspicious	10:13
ieatlint	it's not a normal purchase	10:14
djszapi	actually I am now getting "Connection was resetted"	10:14
djszapi	hilarious...	10:14
djszapi	ieatlint: hahaha	10:14
djszapi	Tronic: no it is for free	10:14
djszapi	asked others making payment to OVI	10:14
djszapi	they were not charged at all with anything on top of 1 EUR	10:14
itsnotabigtruck	djszapi: also i'd imagine you could ping someone at big N through work if the need be?	10:14
djszapi	well	10:15
djszapi	contact number would be more useful than randomly bother a main boss because of an ovi publisher account registration :)	10:15
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itsnotabigtruck	well anyway, contact your bank, failing that try again, failing that start digging around on the intranet or someting /me shrugs	10:17
itsnotabigtruck	also my increasing typo rate is a sign i need some sleep >_> night!	10:17
itsnotabigtruck	also, i think there's a good chance the problem is that it's a visa electron, and not a normal visa debit	10:19
djszapi	that is why I asked above whether anybody else already paid with visa electron	10:19
itsnotabigtruck	i'm not sure if visa electron transactions are accepted through the normal channels	10:19
djszapi	but since you cannot get, just visa electron in Finland without too much pain	10:19
djszapi	I would expect a Finnish company does not make this stupid limitation :)	10:20
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itsnotabigtruck	hmm	10:21
Hq`	ahh... visa electron... it never works :)	10:21
itsnotabigtruck	apparently some electron cards allow online purchases, others don't	10:22
Hq`	it's completely different from a 'real' credit card	10:22
itsnotabigtruck	so that points back to: talk to your bank	10:22
itsnotabigtruck	then go sign up for a normal credit card :p	10:22
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djszapi	itsnotabigtruck: easier said than done.	10:23
djszapi	I was not able to get anything else than visa electron here for the last 18 months :/	10:23
djszapi	I tried really hard to avoid it because I had many issues with it in Hungary back then ...	10:23
itsnotabigtruck	ah right, i guess you've moved around, and also i have no idea how credit reporting works in the EU	10:23
itsnotabigtruck	it ought to still be possible to swap out the electron card for a normal debit card	10:24
itsnotabigtruck	a visa debit (not electron) looks exactly the same as a credit card to websites	10:25
djszapi	yeah I know :)	10:25
djszapi	I had that, and I have Hungarian Master card	10:25
djszapi	but this Finnish bank system is screwed up :)	10:25
djszapi	my visa electron card was not accepted in Brussels either for buying a flight ticket.	10:26
itsnotabigtruck	oh, well, pay with that then	10:28
djszapi	there is no money left on that	10:28
djszapi	everything is in savings and the like.	10:28
djszapi	also, that would surely cost additional stuff because we do not use EUR in Hungary.	10:28
itsnotabigtruck	only 3% on 1 euro	10:28
djszapi	nah...there is some default price you need to pay no matter what amount...	10:29
itsnotabigtruck	heh	10:29
itsnotabigtruck	ok, so the options are pretty limited here...how about buying a prepaid visa gift card	10:29
djszapi	haha and their support email does not work either: http://paste.kde.org/204458/	10:29
djszapi	wth!	10:30
itsnotabigtruck	if you're trying to avoid fees that's a bad bet though, they normally cost $5 or so more than the actual value of the card	10:30
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itsnotabigtruck	http://support.publish.nokia.com/?page_id=105 here's a web form	10:31
itsnotabigtruck	http://support.publish.nokia.com/?cat=6&topic=44 for what it's worth, nokia claims to support visa electron	10:32
itsnotabigtruck	maybe it's just that your bank is blocking online transactions, so call them and maybe they can flip a switch	10:32
djszapi	they do not; i could pay in various scenarios, already	10:33
itsnotabigtruck	well, weird	10:34
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itsnotabigtruck	also apparently a forint is worth about 1/3 of a yen	10:34
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itsnotabigtruck	night	10:37
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djszapi	itsnotabigtruck: they said online payment is not enabled prolly	10:39
djszapi	but I did online payment :D	10:39
djszapi	I wonder why it would not be allowed by default btw	10:40
djszapi	especially since it has no additional fees	10:40
djszapi	yes, it is enabled, so wtf :D	10:42
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Hq`	maybe some generic "visa electron connection problems"	10:43
djszapi	right, it accepts only credit cards	10:43
djszapi	that might be the reason. I do not have any of those.	10:43
Hq`	it's not uncommon to see "visa electron out of order today" signs...	10:43
djszapi	only a debit card.	10:43
Hq`	since it must check your account balance, any connection problem would make the transaction rejected	10:45
Jeffrey041	is it possible to use Qt Creator for a daemon project?	10:46
djszapi	it is very frustrating that it is that much pain to get registered.	10:47
djszapi	Jeffrey041: why not ?	10:47
Jeffrey041	i don't really understand http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Developing_for_Harmattan_Creating_daemons.html , what do i fill in for <path/to/daemon_config_file> ?!	10:47
Jeffrey041	i have so far 2 python scripts, namely control.py and classes.py	10:48
Jeffrey041	and another upstart config file	10:49
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djszapi	Jeffrey041: for instance sshd_conf I guess	10:51
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tabasko	wtf, ovi store doesnt log me in anymore :(	11:11
tabasko	is there some cache file or something I can delete?	11:11
tomma	Jeffrey041, i think it means the upstart config file	11:12
Jeffrey041	tomma: no idea, gonna figure out how to put everything in the project later	11:13
djszapi	Jeffrey041: why do you need configuration file ?	11:14
djszapi	oh to start it after reboot for instance.	11:14
Jeffrey041	the upstart thingy? so that the daemon is started after a reboot?	11:14
gri	itsnotabigtruck, djszapi: You're chatting when I go to bed and you're chatting when I stand up ... it seems I need much more sleep than you :P	11:15
djszapi	gri: look at it on the positive side: you do not have so much sucky situation with softwares :P	11:15
djszapi	Jeffrey041: also, make sure qtcreator does not generate false initscript files	11:16
djszapi	(it did me back then when I tried)	11:16
djszapi	for*	11:17
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tomma	hey! anyone know IAP repository path for QtSDK?	11:50
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* djszapi has pr1.0 by hand again, if someone needs testing with that.		12:12
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gri	djszapi: Any ideas how to get the week of the year without using MCalendar and C time functions? http://pastebin.com/0127b9XN	12:44
gri	QDateTime::toString() does not support %W	12:44
gri	the pasted code works perfectly but I don't like it :)	12:45
djszapi	http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-02-08/nokia-says-to-cut-4-000-jobs-to-shift-phone-assembly-to-asia.html	12:47
djszapi	gri: http://developer.qt.nokia.com/doc/qt-4.8/qdate.html#weekNumber	12:48
gri	djszapi: Damn! I never took a look at QDate, thought QDateTime would handle the same ... shame on me	12:49
djszapi	.date() is your friend, so is .time() ;)	12:49
djszapi	and this is exactly the approach I complained about in qml	12:50
djszapi	this is missing, to expose a complete embedded object.	12:50
djszapi	like QTime or QDate in QDateTime	12:50
djszapi	they do not expose every single method from the inner members either for several obvious reasons.	12:50
djszapi	and that is clearly missing in qml example I showed few days ago	12:50
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gri	you can expose a complete embedded object with the alias - or I still don't understand what you're talking about	12:56
djszapi	that is not the same ...	12:57
djszapi	QDate and Time will remain individual in any case in different QDateTime instances.	12:57
djszapi	and that is way more distinct for the currently limited qml operation	12:57
djszapi	because with a dirty alias, you will have the /same/ id for everything, losing its uniqueness.	12:57
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djszapi	so if the clients will not define the id, they will have a tough with a runtime issue, just for one instance.	13:01
* gri still does not understand		13:04
djszapi	you can alias only a hard coded id right ?	13:07
gri	sure but the id is not valid outside of the .qml file	13:07
djszapi	if you instantiate the custom component, you will get as many duplicated hard coded stuff as many instantiances ?	13:07
djszapi	it indeed is	13:07
djszapi	otherwise the alias would not be any better either	13:07
gri	the id's are not program global	13:08
djszapi	you do not have global	13:08
djszapi	you have an instantiance	13:08
gri	they have to be unique inside one .qml file	13:08
djszapi	*instance	13:08
djszapi	heh, you do not still follow :)	13:08
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gri	maybe you should speak in code and make an example, otherwise I don't get it	13:09
djszapi	Item { Rectangle { id: hardcoded-stuff-rocks-yeee; } } -> my component client code: HardCodedStuffRockYeeee {} HardCodedStuffRockYeee {}	13:09
djszapi	how would you differentiate the two rectangles ?	13:09
djszapi	I did yesterday many times...	13:10
djszapi	please read back.	13:10
gri	you have to give them ids	13:10
djszapi	that is exactly the issue, bingo !	13:10
gri	and where's the problem?	13:10
djszapi	I belive you mean to write "give ids to Items".	13:10
djszapi	and not them (which was Rectangle in this context)	13:11
djszapi	the problem is that it is error-prone	13:11
djszapi	I do not pass an id for fun	13:11
gri	I meant HardCodedStuffRockYeee { id: something }	13:11
djszapi	just if I need it.	13:11
gri	yeah, I also do it like that	13:11
gri	but never had problems with exposing something	13:11
djszapi	you do not follow :D: D	13:11
djszapi	please read back the conversation yesterday, I think.	13:12
gri	I did not understand it yesterday, too :)	13:12
djszapi	so I would like to do only this "myunique_embedded_element".someProperty = ...;	13:12
djszapi	and I would not like to force myself to make an id for every single instance	13:12
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djszapi	especially because if I somehow remove the outter element, you will get very dirty breakages.	13:13
djszapi	it is simply not reusable enough.	13:13
djszapi	I do not seriously understand what you do not understand	13:13
djszapi	you need to pass an id to the outter element	13:13
djszapi	that is the problem	13:13
djszapi	I would not like, just unique inner elements.	13:14
Hq`	well if they have a common parent, you can ask it's .children and get a list of pointers to your elements	13:14
djszapi	since qml does not force me to push ids to an element	13:14
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djszapi	so it is rather error-prone	13:14
djszapi	and only runtime mistake that you should really not generate for fun	13:14
djszapi	Hq`: I am not interested in its children	13:14
djszapi	I am interested only in /one/ element.	13:14
gri	djszapi: Sorry but I still don't get your problem, the more you talk about it, the more it confuses me	13:15
RST38h	Another 4000 nokians laid off	13:15
djszapi	I do not ask QDate, QTime and all the children in QDateTime either	13:15
RST38h	All hw manufacturing shifted to Asia now, to believe the press	13:15
djszapi	gri: very simple, and others could understand on #qt-qml	13:15
djszapi	I am pretty sure you will be able to do that once :)	13:15
gri	djszapi: Well I have a general problem in understanding what people try to tell me - even in my native language :)	13:16
djszapi	it is not that thing after all ...	13:16
djszapi	hard*	13:16
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djszapi	13:11 < gri> I meant HardCodedStuffRockYeee { id: something } -> actually I did not get this bit either.	13:17
djszapi	you cannot give unique ids to embedded elements.	13:17
djszapi	otherwise this problem would not exist at all.	13:18
gri	as alterego yesterday said: We both have many elements with the same id in our code and do not experience any problems	13:20
djszapi	try what I said.	13:20
djszapi	Item { Rectangle { id: hardcoded-stuff-rocks-yeee; } } -> my component client code: HardCodedStuffRockYeeee {} HardCodedStuffRockYeee {} -> how would you differentiate the two rectangles ?	13:20
djszapi	you would pass an id to /all/ of them even if it is +100 LOC right ?	13:21
gri	no	13:21
djszapi	I cannot imagine it is solvable otherwise really.	13:21
gri	if I want to create more of them, I would not do this statically	13:21
djszapi	heh	13:21
djszapi	exactly my point	13:21
djszapi	this is stupidly static id with property alias	13:22
gri	now we're at a point where I lost the track again, sorry	13:22
* djszapi has the feeling gri is joking all over again		13:22
gri	nope but I have written a lot of qml code and never seen a problem similar to that what you're trying to explain to me	13:23
djszapi	I have a component which has embedded elements. I would like to instantiate it without having 100+ explicit ids in case of 100+ explicit instantiation	13:23
djszapi	I do not understand what is so hard to understand about it	13:23
djszapi	you have never seen a component with embedded element and more component instantiation ?	13:24
djszapi	well... I recommend qt-components for you.	13:24
djszapi	and its client codes	13:24
djszapi	qt components has many components containing embedded elements	13:24
frals	and they solve it how?	13:24
djszapi	they do not allow you to access to embedded elements.	13:24
djszapi	and that is not solving the problem	13:25
djszapi	that is avoiding.	13:25
djszapi	and sadly enough, that is my best workaround in my case too	13:25
gri	if you would have access to all inner-id's of an component, there would not be a way to make something protected or private	13:25
djszapi	gri: you are not following again	13:25
djszapi	I /would/ like to make a component where you can redefine all the properties of a text	13:26
djszapi	for instance a text in a rectangle.	13:26
djszapi	I am not saying you should be enforced, but I /would/ like to do.	13:26
djszapi	just like you choose public/protected/private in c++ anyway	13:26
leinir	Wouldn't a property alias do that?	13:36
djszapi	that would hardcode the things.	13:37
tabasko	anyone else having problems with nokia-account logging in? :/	13:37
tabasko	nokia market just hangs in login	13:38
djszapi	objectName would be the closest approach for a reusable component, but the problem is that if you change the objectname you break the component for the client codes.	13:38
djszapi	so I went for exposing separately, and limit the numbers for 1-2 for the time being :)	13:39
djszapi	interesting, I do not have the background with PR1.0. Is that expected ?	13:41
djszapi	https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdeedu/kanagram/repository/revisions/master/entry/src/harmattan/main.qml#L60 -> this is the background image description.	13:46
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Necrosporus	Is it possible to unlock N9 in order to disable Aegis for particular applications?	14:04
aard_	you can only flash an open mode kernel, which disables aegis for all applications	14:06
djszapi	okay, so it was a PageStackWindow (and its style)'s limitation	14:10
djszapi	for PR1.0 -> workaround qrc:/foobar.png instead of foobar.png	14:10
Necrosporus	What does Aegis prevent root from? I wonder if i need to flash OMK at all	14:26
djszapi	Necrosporus: accli -I in devel-sh	14:29
Necrosporus	djszapi, I didn't bought N9 yet, I just consider is it better than android stuff or not	14:29
djszapi	buy one, and experiment with ~2 weeks :)	14:30
djszapi	and give back if you dislike it.	14:30
djszapi	but you can do these: http://paste.kde.org/205100/	14:31
djszapi	also: http://wiki.meego.com/User:Javispedro/Activities_blocked_by_the_N9_and_N950_security_policy	14:31
Necrosporus	I live in different country, the law only requires shop to return money back in 14 days if there was any defect in the product	14:31
djszapi	then borrow one from someone :)	14:32
djszapi	or try to RDA stuff	14:32
djszapi	the RDA*	14:33
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Necrosporus	djszapi, I just wonder if I should buy and android smartphone or nokia n9	14:36
Necrosporus	Does it have DRM?	14:36
djszapi	no, sadly it was dropped.	14:37
Necrosporus	What do you mean?	14:37
djszapi	we worked years on the DRM, and finally it was dropped before the release.	14:37
Necrosporus	Which DRM are you talking about, digital restrictions management or direct rendering manager?	14:38
mece	Necrosporus, well it has one giant benefit over android phones: It's not just another android phone!	14:38
djszapi	Necrosporus: digital rights management or so	14:40
djszapi	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management	14:40
RST38h	DRM dropped? Gooood.	14:40
Necrosporus	Why is it 'sadly'?	14:40
Necrosporus	Presence of DRM is strong argument against buying a device	14:41
djszapi	because that was the base for the whole security protection and we spend at leasy 10-20 man years with it.	14:41
djszapi	spent*	14:41
djszapi	haha	14:42
RST38h	Too bad the whole security protection has not been dropped	14:42
RST38h	Besides, haven't you told us here that the security protection scheme is to protect users from hackers breaking into their devices? =)	14:42
djszapi	DRM is needed anyway	14:42
djszapi	manufacturers and so on were supposed to provide it after all on meego too	14:42
Necrosporus	DRM is a great plague of modern electronics	14:43
djszapi	we did it internally, but it was a /huge/ demand from vendors.	14:43
Necrosporus	Thus vendors must GTFO if they can't live without DRM	14:43
djszapi	sorry, but I do not have the sake to argue about irreal things	14:44
djszapi	if that is needed for them, we need to make money.	14:44
Necrosporus	Security must work for user will, if it doesn't it is not security, but rather handcuff	14:44
* djszapi goes away, has better things to do :)		14:44
Necrosporus	Security must protect user data from malicious applications, it must not hinder user from sharing data and it must not deny user from doing anything she wants to	14:45
Necrosporus	Anyways, I will think further about buying N9	14:46
Necrosporus	If N9 doesn't have DRM and Android smartphones does, that's an argument for N9	14:46
djszapi	you can beat a dead horse if you do not get money out of it.	14:46
djszapi	and you need to get by.	14:46
djszapi	that would be just plain silly.	14:46
sp3000	what if the horse ate some money	14:47
djszapi	haha :D	14:47
djszapi	so you can blame the industry why it requires it.	14:47
Necrosporus	I wish a device which I can use in freedom, like Neo Freerunner, but working out of the box	14:47
djszapi	and at any rate...it was dropped, so your problem is fixed ?	14:47
Necrosporus	I do not know, is it possible to remove skype, adobe flash and other proprietary applications and replace it with some free ones, like mplayer and ekiga?	14:48
djszapi	no	14:49
djszapi	you cannot replace joikuspot for one.	14:49
Necrosporus	Is it possible to just remove skype without losing ability to do regular phone calls and so?	14:49
djszapi	let me try	14:50
flux	I guess it is impossible to replace packages that have nokia packages depending on them?	14:50
djszapi	well, it is not installed on my N950 here.	14:50
djszapi	flux: and what depends on skype ? :)	14:50
flux	djszapi, indeed, probably nothing	14:50
flux	but as a general rule-of-thumb	14:50
djszapi	Necrosporus: let me try with PR1.0 here.	14:51
djszapi	on N9	14:51
flux	so things like upgrading gstreamer might be impossible.	14:51
flux	or upgrading any library used by any required nokia binary..	14:51
djszapi	and that is really strange you cannot try out such an expensive phone	14:51
Necrosporus	Does Android work on N9 yet?	14:51
djszapi	flux: you can hack around	14:51
flux	djszapi, hmm, how?	14:51
djszapi	flux: see qt5 for example.	14:52
djszapi	or basically kdelibs	14:52
djszapi	you can put the stuff into different prefix	14:52
djszapi	and use the LD_* thingie	14:52
djszapi	to use that library.	14:52
flux	well, you cannot make the existing programs use that library	14:52
djszapi	or just install with different name :)	14:52
flux	which may remove the point of upgrading the library in the first place	14:52
flux	of course you can link your own apps statically or whatever..	14:52
djszapi	no no	14:52
djszapi	not statically, dynamically as it is usual	14:52
flux	it was covered by 'whatever' ;)	14:53
djszapi	:P	14:53
flux	I could use LD_LIBRARY_PATH and install the same libraries with the same names for your own app	14:53
flux	(at least I would expect that to work)	14:53
djszapi	that is what I do, yes.	14:54
djszapi	we*	14:54
djszapi	Necrosporus: I did not hear about Android.	14:54
djszapi	on N9, that is.	14:54
flux	for example: good thing I don't want to upgrade, say, libflac to a newer version, because I don't see how the normal media player would ever use the new version	14:55
djszapi	to make the long story short for Necrosporus it is not a complete hacker phone.	14:56
Necrosporus	I wish a regular smartphone which will work for me rather than working on big brother	14:56
Necrosporus	I do want electronic device to protect my privacy rather than copyright of rich men	14:57
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Necrosporus	I do not want to pay for handcuffs	15:01
djszapi	you already told tat.	15:02
djszapi	that*	15:02
Necrosporus	But I'm not a phone hacker, so stuff like freerunner or DIY phone is not for me	15:02
Necrosporus	Yeah	15:02
Necrosporus	So what's better, N9 or some other device?	15:02
Necrosporus	Or there is no such device at all?	15:02
petteri	N9 is the best device out there. Get it and be happy	15:02
djszapi	my vote is on N9, but I am biased after all :)	15:02
Necrosporus	There is Replicant project to make Android free, but it unfortunately works on very limited set of devices	15:03
Necrosporus	Plus it doesn't support regular applications	15:04
Necrosporus	Does N9 have gcc on it?	15:04
petteri	no	15:04
Necrosporus	Is it able to run perl programs out of the box?	15:04
Necrosporus	GNU bc?	15:04
petteri	no	15:04
flux	are you sure about perl?	15:05
Necrosporus	I want to be able to use GNU bc	15:05
flux	should be easy to compile for it	15:05
flux	it's not a very demanding piece of software..	15:05
Necrosporus	Because I need a calculator and usual phone calculators is too poor to use it actually	15:05
flux	my n9 has perl in it	15:06
djszapi	Necrosporus: yes, perl is available	15:06
djszapi	the dpkg wrapper is written in perl	15:06
petteri	yes there is perl, but no bc	15:06
djszapi	also, gcc is inside teh repository	15:06
djszapi	you can install it anytime	15:06
flux	necrosporus, you might want to check out AlmostTI	15:06
petteri	you can get these "normal" linux programs from rzr's repo	15:06
flux	however, AlmostTI doesn't have vibra feedback so it can be quite tedious to hit the small keys :)	15:06
djszapi	bc is also available from the community repository.	15:06
Necrosporus	I'd prefer GNU bc which I already know	15:07
Necrosporus	Is there any applications to play game of Go?	15:08
djszapi	what is Go ?	15:08
flux	I'm afraid not	15:08
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Necrosporus	That's game, two players place stones on intersections of 19x19 square board	15:09
Necrosporus	black goes first	15:09
Necrosporus	If a group of stones is surrounded completely it is taken off the board	15:10
Necrosporus	After two players pass, which is alternative to placing a stone, game ends and they count scores	15:10
Necrosporus	Territory + captured opponent stones	15:11
Necrosporus	Territory is empty intersections which are completely surrounded by stones of one color	15:12
djszapi	hey, any good practices what to check before pushing a package into OVI ?	15:12
djszapi	some common pitfalls ?	15:12
djszapi	tried to go through this: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Publishing.html	15:12
Necrosporus	djszapi, at least check if it is possible to install it on stock phone and everything is working	15:12
djszapi	already done ;-)	15:13
djszapi	on PR1.2 and PR1.1	15:13
djszapi	on PR1.2 and PR1.0*	15:13
Necrosporus	Is flasher a closed source application?	15:13
Necrosporus	djszapi, than check if it have all required signatures and have proper icon and description	15:14
Necrosporus	I do not like running proprietary applications	15:14
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djszapi	signature ?	15:15
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Necrosporus	djszapi, even packages for debian has its digital signatures	15:17
djszapi	not following.	15:17
djszapi	I had the impression the output of dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot is enough for me ..	15:17
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Necrosporus	I guess, you may put the application into store if everything seem ok and if something is not, you will get a bug report	15:19
Necrosporus	By the way, is the application open source?	15:19
Necrosporus	and free software	15:19
djszapi	not just open source, but even open minded ;-)	15:19
Necrosporus	So is it licensed by GPL or similar license?	15:20
Necrosporus	And what does it mean open minded?	15:20
djszapi	no, it is LGPLv2	15:21
Necrosporus	Is there also some software repository alternative to Ovi? Like F-droid for Android, having only free applications	15:21
Necrosporus	That's ok	15:21
djszapi	yes, apps4meego, community repository etc	15:22
Necrosporus	Is it possible to remove ovi store application?	15:22
djszapi	ofc lol	15:22
Necrosporus	I mean, to remove that application which provide ovi store	15:22
tabasko	Necrosporus: yes, but why?	15:22
Necrosporus	I have an android device, and I have reflashed it in order to remove google apps, adobe flash and some other application which is known for being proprietary	15:23
Necrosporus	tabasko, is ovi store open source?	15:23
Necrosporus	I mean, the ovi store client	15:23
Jeffrey041	necrosporus: don't use it then?	15:24
Jeffrey041	why the hassle?	15:24
djszapi	Necrosporus: nope as far as I know	15:24
Necrosporus	Than why wast space on main menu?	15:24
Jeffrey041	necrosporus: use #nemo?	15:24
admiral0__	Necrosporus: All UX is closed	15:24
alterego	Or remove .desktop	15:24
alterego	s/remove/move/ to be safe ;)	15:24
Necrosporus	as far as I know it's still alpha	15:24
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Jeffrey041	Necrosporus: i think they are using rolling release, so bug fixes should be deployed fast enough	15:25
djszapi	is any device shipped with nemo and warranty ?	15:26
tabasko	yah, but nemo doesnt still include phone functions, this is bit killer for me :)	15:26
djszapi	because I do not think he would like to lose the warranty...	15:26
djszapi	for an expensive device like this.	15:26
djszapi	tabasko: really ? :)	15:26
djszapi	I thought it is usable for daily usage.	15:26
Necrosporus	Maybe I have to wait for Nemo to became stable enough and buy the device only when it will?	15:27
djszapi	Necrosporus: you will lose the warranty	15:27
Necrosporus	Anyways is there any way to play the game of Go on N9?	15:27
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Jeffrey041	but you can't really have both, software freedom and superb ux, at least for now	15:27
Jeffrey041	i mean swipe ui	15:27
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Necrosporus	what's ux?	15:27
tabasko	djszapi, dont have tried it yet. But thats what I have heard/read :)	15:27
Jeffrey041	user experience	15:27
tabasko	so experience youre feeling is closed	15:28
Jeffrey041	lol, not a foss guy here	15:28
Necrosporus	That's bad, I thought Meego is more open than maemo	15:28
Jeffrey041	necrosporus: replace the ux layer then you are free :)	15:28
Necrosporus	But is there any other ux layers?	15:29
Necrosporus	Also, would N9 run openmoko stuff?	15:29
Jeffrey041	build one, or port the one on #nemo over?	15:29
Jeffrey041	isn't openmoko qt based too?	15:29
Jeffrey041	iirc	15:29
Necrosporus	OpenMoko is based on GTK	15:29
Jeffrey041	what about cordia?	15:29
Necrosporus	idk	15:30
Necrosporus	There is some Qt based stuff however	15:30
Jeffrey041	if you are really into foss, you really shouldn't get a mass market device like n9 :P	15:30
Necrosporus	Qtopia for instance	15:30
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Necrosporus	Jeffrey041, I'm into FOSS, but I want the device to work out of the box with minimal effort	15:31
Necrosporus	Like I have with my laptop and Slackware GNU/Linux	15:31
Necrosporus	It's easier to install and use than, i.e. windows	15:31
Jeffrey041	:)	15:32
Jeffrey041	but flashing ur n9 to cordia/nemo would definitely void your warranty	15:32
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djszapi	Necrosporus: where are you from ?	15:33
Jeffrey041	cordia should be more feature complete as it is based on hildon	15:33
Jeffrey041	but i have no idea how stable it is	15:33
Jeffrey041	i still like swipe UI :)	15:34
Necrosporus	Russia	15:35
Necrosporus	Jeffrey041, I do not think flashing anything would void hardware warranty	15:35
Necrosporus	At least, installing other OS onto a laptop doesn't void its warranty	15:36
Jeffrey041	would it not? not gonna flash my harmattan to something else to prove my point tho	15:36
Jeffrey041	installing alternative OS to your branded PC may not void your warranty, but they would refuse to fix it if shit happens lol	15:37
Necrosporus	Jeffrey041, I do not think that service men would investigate much, they will probably flash stock firmware if there is any software errors	15:37
Necrosporus	Yeah, probably	15:37
Jeffrey041	no idea, NCC malaysia explicitly states warranty is void if my mobile is flashed to anything else but harmattan	15:38
Jeffrey041	speaking of NCC, my sis' N9 died twice lol	15:38
alterego	You will effectively void warranty by installing any kind of other OS on the device.	15:39
alterego	But I do it, so meh :)	15:39
djszapi	alterego: on an expensive N9 you bought ?	15:39
alterego	Yup	15:39
Jeffrey041	lol, i would do that too if i have another device on hand lol	15:39
djszapi	because N950 was designed for that	15:39
djszapi	alterego: LOL	15:39
alterego	Though haven't in a while, I use the N950 for that.	15:39
djszapi	give me money millionaire :P	15:40
Necrosporus	I guess, I may flash hartman back if anything goes wrong	15:40
Jeffrey041	:P	15:40
alterego	otoh, it may void warranty to a certain "extent" a valid hardware failure, regardless of flashing (at least in the EU) would still warrant replacement/repair if the product could be deemed defective.	15:40
Jeffrey041	necrosporus: why don't you just buy something else than N9??!	15:41
alterego	Great, I've just bricked an N9 by enabling dev mode.	15:41
alterego	stoopid images.	15:41
Jeffrey041	alterego: how?	15:42
alterego	Well, maybe it isn't bricked, seems to be starting again now.	15:42
Jeffrey041	shouldn't it be fool proof?	15:42
alterego	Well, there are your normal day fools.	15:42
alterego	And then there's me ;)	15:42
alterego	Neah, it's come back up.	15:42
Necrosporus	I guess, that's fair, if user is able to flash stuff, he must be smart enough to fix software problems himself, but hardware warranty should not be void in any case except hardware damaged by incorrect usage	15:42
Necrosporus	Jeffrey041, for example what?	15:43
alterego	Necrosporus: indeed, a hardware defect is a hardware defect regardless of software you may have hacked on to it.	15:43
Necrosporus	Isn't N9 _only_ mass market modern smartphone with GNU/Linux?	15:43
Jeffrey041	no idea, as i don't fancy getting a device that is foss compliant	15:43
Jeffrey041	any android phone flashed to cyanogen or something like that?	15:44
alterego	Obviously though, software can cause hardware failures, by hammering things too hard, like CPU, memory, etc. That would be something that could possibly be hard to prove to _not_ be caused by a rampant rogue OS on your device ;)	15:44
Necrosporus	N900 and Freerunner is not modern and panda hybrid Freerunner is not mass market	15:44
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Jeffrey041	well, i would still get a (used) n900 if the price is right :)	15:44
alterego	I've got a few N900s, still use them for various things around the house ;)	15:45
Jeffrey041	probably not modern, but should be on par with most low-end models now	15:45
Jeffrey041	on par if not better	15:45
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Necrosporus	Jeffrey041, cyanogen mod is still android, so it's not gnu linux and it wont run usual linux applications without messing around with chroot	15:46
Jeffrey041	:)	15:46
Necrosporus	But it's a valid question, what's better, N9 or some android device	15:47
Necrosporus	But most of android device manufacturers pay Microsoft	15:47
Necrosporus	So if I buy an device of such a manufacturer I will be supporting our enemy, which is not what I want	15:48
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Necrosporus	Is it possible to make aegis work as it is for everything except root shell in the terminal?	15:53
Jeffrey041	have you read the thread on fmc on open mode?	15:54
RST38h	Necrosporus: I think you should read Harmattan Wiki and make your own decision	15:54
Necrosporus	So user will be able to load any kernel modules and run any binaries but malicious applications won't	15:54
RST38h	Because no matter how many times you ask here, the answers will be: "No.", "You have to run in open mode", "No.", "Unless you figure out how to jailbreak it", "No."	15:55
RST38h	Asking an extra time will not change the answer	15:55
Necrosporus	does N9 boot from flashdrive?	15:57
Necrosporus	or something	15:57
Necrosporus	My android device does if there is sd card inserted, it will boot from the card	15:57
Jeffrey041	http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4575	15:58
Jeffrey041	N9 doesn't have a memory card slot	15:58
Jeffrey041	you probably should ask these questions on #N9 :)	15:58
Necrosporus	But seller said it has microsd slot	15:59
Jeffrey041	then buy from the seller :)	16:00
Jeffrey041	i am sure mine doesn't have a microsd slot	16:00
sp3000	sd, sim, whichever, right!	16:00
Necrosporus	SD?	16:02
Necrosporus	So there's an SD slot?	16:03
Necrosporus	We were told Open Mode would mean we'd lose a few things, some DRM'd apps, potentially Ovi Music, and god knows.	16:03
Jeffrey041	sd: no	16:03
nid0	there is no sd slot on an n9.	16:03
Jeffrey041	open mode: isn't that what you're after	16:03
Jeffrey041	?	16:03
Jeffrey041	freedom~~~~~	16:03
Necrosporus	I think DRMed apps is certainly proprietary and closed source, so I would prefer not having it at all	16:03
jreznik	are there any DRM apps? even Ovi Music mp3s are non DRM	16:04
Necrosporus	I would prefer Vorbis or flac	16:04
Necrosporus	Does N9 play vorbis and flac out of the box?	16:04
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djszapi	Necrosporus: vorbis yes	16:05
djszapi	http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/f/flac/ -> flac is available from the repository.	16:05
djszapi	but there is no libvorbis if that is what you meant	16:05
djszapi	there is this libvorbisidec integer version.	16:05
djszapi	and FYI: we do not need signing for Harmattan apps	16:06
djszapi	Ovi Store does that automatically for every single submitted package.	16:06
Necrosporus	Does N9 block sending mp3 files over bluetooth?	16:07
Necrosporus	N73 does	16:07
Jeffrey041	my n81 doesn't block	16:07
Jeffrey041	that's weird	16:07
Jeffrey041	n9 doesn't too	16:08
Tronic	WTF, doesn't N9 do them out of the box?	16:11
Tronic	N950 does FLAC, MKV and plenty of other formats out of the box.	16:11
Necrosporus	I wonder if it's possible to buy N950	16:12
djszapi	not yet	16:16
Jeffrey041	yet?	16:16
djszapi	yes	16:17
alterego	Never	16:17
djszapi	Jeffrey041: I was wrong, actually there were already buyable ones	16:19
djszapi	on several forums.	16:19
Necrosporus	But it won't be possible to buy new one?	16:20
djszapi	ask Nokia	16:22
djszapi	I would not speculate myself.	16:22
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tabasko	does anybody know how I could hide simcard-icon? :)	16:23
djszapi	you are 7-8 months late with N950 request :D :D	16:23
Jeffrey041	not like it is easy to apply for one anyway	16:23
JackaLX	Tronic: I just checked on my N9... flac and mkv _do_ work out of the box.	16:24
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djszapi	Jeffrey041: it was super simple anyway	16:29
djszapi	I have not heard anybody requesting, and not getting really :)	16:29
Jeffrey041	wasn't a mobile dev back then	16:29
Jeffrey041	am not too now anyway lol	16:30
Corsac	djszapi: I asked for one and didn't got it	16:30
Jeffrey041	i thought one would need to submit a proposal or something	16:31
djszapi	Corsac: It does not mean it was not super simple to get	16:31
djszapi	but why did you not get ? Did you request it in time btw ?	16:31
Corsac	yes	16:31
djszapi	or after the list was full ?	16:31
djszapi	Jeffrey041: yes, but is that hard ? :)	16:31
alterego	tabasko: delete the .desktop entry	16:31
djszapi	I mean they are not meant to be for average user usage, but for development :)	16:31
Corsac	for app development	16:32
Jeffrey041	nah, wasn't a (trying to be one now) qt developer back then	16:32
Jeffrey041	but saw one in a meego meet up in malaysia	16:32
Jeffrey041	looks good tho	16:32
djszapi	I prefer N9 though.	16:32
djszapi	and that is a bit simpler to get nowadays for free	16:32
djszapi	at various hack stuff.	16:32
Jeffrey041	yea, that's why I bought one	16:32
Jeffrey041	lol	16:32
djszapi	Corsac: so you applied before the list was full, and they said you were not selected ?	16:33
Jeffrey041	(mainly because my n81 decided to die right before n9 came out)	16:33
djszapi	What was your proposal ?	16:33
Corsac	djszapi: I wasn't proposing app development :)	16:33
djszapi	JackaLX: no, flac does not work properly with mobility	16:34
djszapi	it might work with the music player, but that is not the whoel N9 :)	16:34
djszapi	whole*	16:34
djszapi	Corsac: some other people either, like hostmode development, or porting debian	16:34
djszapi	usb*	16:34
tabasko	alterego: from /usr/share/applications ?	16:35
tabasko	which name it has?	16:35
djszapi	usb hostmode is not even possible, and the phone still was given for that task :D	16:35
djszapi	so I wonder what proposal could be rejected after that :)	16:35
Corsac	djszapi: I asked for security subsystem analysis/audit/…	16:36
JackaLX	djszapi: I'm curious, where would one want to play a flac format file if not in a music player? I don't have any movie files with flac audio to see if the video player could handle it	16:37
djszapi	JackaLX: another music player for instance, using mobility	16:38
djszapi	Corsac: damn, that would have been pretty good...	16:38
tabasko	alterego: ah, found ~/.local/share/applications	16:38
tabasko	simatk.desktop	16:38
djszapi	JackaLX: not sure what the music player uses for decoding flac, if not the flac library itself. Probably some gstreamer quirk	16:39
Corsac	djszapi: yeah, that's why I proposed, but I think at that time they were more interested in having apps ready for N9	16:39
djszapi	you are the first one I heard rejected.	16:40
Corsac	Sorry, your request to join the MeeGo community N950 developer device	16:41
Corsac	program has not been accepted. We have 250 devices for 600 requests and	16:41
Corsac	it is impossible for us to make everybody happy.	16:41
Corsac	I guess I wasn't the only one :)	16:41
Jeffrey041	but i thought they gave out more than 250?	16:41
alterego	They gave out a lot more, but there were other programmes.	16:42
JackaLX	djszapi: /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstflac.so So yeah, it is a gstreamer thing, although the fact remains... N9 CAN play flac out of the box	16:42
Corsac	yup, I got a mail from Quim about an extension, which I replied to, but got no answer afaict from my inbox	16:42
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djszapi	Corsac: impossible projects got devices	16:46
djszapi	and possible ones not lol.	16:46
djszapi	JackaLX: not N9, but the music app because they hacked it.	16:47
djszapi	try to use mobility, and you will face issues.	16:47
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djszapi	QtOpenAL cannot be used for flac decoding either without the flac decoding library.	16:48
djszapi	this is the same situation with alure.	16:48
djszapi	but yeah, the music app then solved it (though I have never tried that)	16:49
djszapi	Corsac: I can imagine the first X got the devices roughly and they did not go through 600 applications.	16:51
djszapi	to assess it technically.	16:51
djszapi	maybe 1-2 known people from the community at the end, but I do not think they actually went through technically 600 applications.	16:52
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xmlich02	Hi, I was trying to install haramttan sdk on fedora 16. The scratchbox has on second pass, but i think its broken, because apt/sources.list contains only debian squeze repositories, but not harmattan repositories	17:42
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xmlich02	Here is installation log http://pastebin.com/5jSuAf6t	17:48
Jeffrey041	is it possible to build deb with pyside code using qt creator?	17:50
xmlich02	The only error in installation log is this one: "W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.debian.org squeeze Release: Unable to read /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ - opendir (2: No such file or directory)"	17:51
jpwhiting	hey all, I have a QPixmap, and need to load it into a QML Image, is the only way to use a QDeclarativeImageProvider?	17:56
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Jeffrey041	friend is helping me to build a package with pyside code	18:22
Jeffrey041	and i am getting this error	18:22
Jeffrey041	:-1: error: Packaging Error: Command '/Users/jeffrey04/QtSDK/Madde/bin/mad dpkg-buildpackage -nc -uc -us' failed.Exit code: 2	18:22
Jeffrey041	what is the problem here?	18:23
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Jeffrey041	in full, i am getting these error	18:25
Jeffrey041	find: -printf: unknown option	18:25
Jeffrey041	dh_installdeb: command returned error code	18:25
Jeffrey041	make: *** [binary-arch] Error 1	18:25
Jeffrey041	dpkg-buildpackage: failure: debian/rules binary gave error exit status 2	18:25
Jeffrey041	Packaging Error: Command '/Users/jeffrey04/QtSDK/Madde/bin/mad dpkg-buildpackage -nc -uc -us' failed.Exit code: 2	18:25
Jeffrey041	Error while building project restricted-mode-toggler (target: Harmattan)	18:25
Jeffrey041	When executing build step 'Create Debian Package'	18:25
jpwhiting	Jeffrey041: looks like an error in your debian/rules file	18:26
djszapi	Jeffrey041: please use some paste sites :)	18:26
jpwhiting	:) yep	18:26
Jeffrey041	jpwhiting: i get those from qtcreator	18:26
itsnotabigtruck	https://gist.github.com/	18:26
jpwhiting	pastebin is your friend	18:26
Jeffrey041	lol, sorry	18:26
jpwhiting	Jeffrey041: in compile output tab?	18:27
djszapi	hey itsnotabigtruck :)	18:27
itsnotabigtruck	> find: -printf: unknown option	18:27
Jeffrey041	jpwhiting: yes	18:27
Jeffrey041	:D	18:27
itsnotabigtruck	well, that's the problem...grep your package files for printf maybe?	18:27
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itsnotabigtruck	if you're using the printf shell command maybe it's being stuck on the end of a find command	18:27
itsnotabigtruck	that would do it, probably	18:28
Jeffrey041	package files?	18:28
itsnotabigtruck	you know, anything that isn't code	18:28
itsnotabigtruck	on second thought it's probably in your makefile install target	18:28
Jeffrey041	http://pastebin.com/wtD1eMQf	18:28
Jeffrey041	no idea, got everything set up by qt creator	18:28
Jeffrey041	http://pastebin.com/wtD1eMQf < the complete compile log	18:28
itsnotabigtruck	btw don't pastebin things with the privacy set to public :p	18:28
Jeffrey041	lol	18:29
itsnotabigtruck	apparently -printf is an argument to find...on some versions	18:30
djszapi	Jeffrey041: as jpwhiting advised: can you show the debian/rules file ?	18:30
itsnotabigtruck	probably not on busybox or whatever madde uses though	18:30
Jeffrey041	let me find where it is	18:30
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itsnotabigtruck	https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-21908	18:30
itsnotabigtruck	it's not your fault	18:31
itsnotabigtruck	are you using os x? because if so that's def it	18:31
itsnotabigtruck	(as your dev OS)	18:31
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Jeffrey041	yea, using os x	18:32
Jeffrey041	snow leopard	18:32
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djszapi	use gnu find :)	18:32
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Jeffrey041	so moral of the story: use any linux distro for harmattan development? lol	18:33
itsnotabigtruck	basically yeah	18:33
itsnotabigtruck	specifically debian or ubuntu	18:33
djszapi	btw	18:33
djszapi	what the heck is qtcreator doing ? :)	18:33
djszapi	never had the need for such a file/code.	18:34
itsnotabigtruck	that's a good question...i'm having trouble figuring out what that line actually does	18:34
djszapi	I have ported 200-300 packages.	18:34
djszapi	but I never had to have such a file/content.	18:34
itsnotabigtruck	ok, what it's doing is stripping the buildroot prefix off of it	18:35
itsnotabigtruck	to generate a conffiles list	18:35
itsnotabigtruck	it's assuming every file in /etc/ should be considered a conffile	18:35
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itsnotabigtruck	which means that when you upgrade the package, if you modified the file, the user is asked whether to overwrite it or set it aside for merging	18:36
djszapi	phantastic qtcreator :)	18:37
itsnotabigtruck	well, it looks like it's actually debhelper (debian code) which explains why it's relying on gnu stuff	18:37
alterego	Well, everything under /etc should generally be a configuration file :P	18:37
Jeffrey041	erm, where is this dh_installdeb?	18:37
djszapi	I would not bother with such a generated code.	18:37
itsnotabigtruck	so Jeffrey041: if you hack the problematic script and change out the line to the one at the very end	18:37
itsnotabigtruck	of the bug comments	18:38
itsnotabigtruck	then it'll regex away the path prefix, which is slightly less reliable but is ok realistically	18:38
Jeffrey041	where is the script located?!	18:38
itsnotabigtruck	i think it says somewhere in the bug too :p	18:39
djszapi	Jeffrey041: debian folder.	18:39
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itsnotabigtruck	nope, well, try a find -name dh_installdeb	18:39
itsnotabigtruck	from the root of madde	18:39
djszapi	debian file is nope in the debian folder ? huh ? :)	18:40
itsnotabigtruck	also alterego: sort of, but you don't necessarily always want the conffile treatment	18:40
itsnotabigtruck	djszapi: well, i'm not sure what you mean by the 'debian folder' - this isn't one of the package control files	18:40
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itsnotabigtruck	it's a system script that's probably somewhere in the madde root	18:41
djszapi	I do not think debian file is part of the project	18:41
alterego	itsnotabigtruck: maybe _you_ don't but what if a user expects it?	18:41
djszapi	it is more like part of the packaging which is the debian folder.	18:41
alterego	Anyway, for "apps" you probably want to stick your config under ~/.config or something ..	18:41
itsnotabigtruck	djszapi: it's neither...it's part of "debhelper" which is a set of system scripts for automating package generation	18:41
djszapi	and that is what I meant with the debian folder.	18:42
itsnotabigtruck	those scripts don't go with the user code/etc.	18:42
djszapi	yes of course	18:42
itsnotabigtruck	oh...normally the 'debian folder' is where the user puts all the control files	18:42
itsnotabigtruck	rules, changelog, postinst, etc.	18:42
djszapi	well I will not argue about misunderstand if it is clear by now :)	18:43
itsnotabigtruck	anyhow...jeffrey041: did the find command work?	18:43
djszapi	I had also weird issues in madde I have never experienced in scratchbox.	18:43
alterego	djszapi: you should perhaps be clearer to be better understood. I don't see how anyone can think "debian folder" refers to debians packaging helper scripts ..	18:44
alterego	Or, if you're wrong, just say so.	18:44
djszapi	well I will not argue about misunderstand if it is clear by now :)	18:44
alterego	Sure, whatever, you don't argue when you're wrong. I get it.	18:45
alterego	itsnotabigtruck: what is the nature of your application?	18:45
itsnotabigtruck	alterego: mine? Jeffrey041 is having the build problem :p	18:46
djszapi	also, I find it weird on the qt bug tracker if it is actually a madde issue	18:46
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alterego	itsnotabigtruck: like I said, you should probably use the /home/user/.config directory for your applications' configuration. /etc should be used strictly by system processes.	18:46
alterego	Oh, Jeffrey041 then ;)	18:46
Jeffrey041	itsnotabigtruck: found it	18:46
Jeffrey041	not really paying attention to the chat, did i miss anything lol?	18:46
itsnotabigtruck	Jeffrey041: ok, so patch it :D	18:47
djszapi	I do not still understand why they generate that automatically.	18:48
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itsnotabigtruck	btw @everyone http://zunedevwiki.org/misc/calendar-live-icon_0.1_armel.deb < live calendar icon for PR1.1	18:48
itsnotabigtruck	i didn't realize PR1.2 already had this functionality when i made it... /me blushes :P	18:48
alterego	itsnotabigtruck: hah, yeah, they stole your idea ;)	18:49
itsnotabigtruck	but it's still pretty neat for us N9-owning plebeians	18:49
alterego	I did notice that and chuckled to myself.	18:49
itsnotabigtruck	unlike the previous attempt that's in the ovi store right now, this one uses a scheduled task and reacts to time and time zone changes	18:50
Jeffrey041	wahahaha, i don't see my package	18:50
itsnotabigtruck	so e.g. if you disembark from a plane and take your phone off flight mode at 0100h local time, it'll autoupdate the calendar	18:50
Jeffrey041	dunno where it is	18:50
djszapi	Jeffrey041: it is probably not done yet since there was an error	18:51
alterego	itsnotabigtruck: neat :)	18:51
djszapi	or you already patched it and it built ?	18:51
Jeffrey041	done without an error	18:51
Jeffrey041	lol	18:51
Jeffrey041	patched	18:51
djszapi	Jeffrey041: it is out of the projectroot normally.	18:51
itsnotabigtruck	Jeffrey041: normally packages go into the directory just above the source code folder	18:51
djszapi	at least in my scratchbox.	18:51
djszapi	not sure about qtcreator.	18:51
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itsnotabigtruck	so, foo/debian/../..	18:52
itsnotabigtruck	but maybe qtcreator moves them somewhere else yeah	18:52
Jeffrey041	no idea	18:52
djszapi	find :)	18:52
djszapi	find ./ -name *.deb or so	18:52
itsnotabigtruck	make that -name '*.deb'	18:53
itsnotabigtruck	to prevent shell wildcard expansion	18:53
djszapi	or \*.deb	18:53
djszapi	I never use quotes myself, and had no problems so far.	18:53
alterego	Yes, but you do have to escape it.	18:54
alterego	quoting is more convenient when you've got more wildcards.	18:54
djszapi	and where do you see more wildcards above ? :)	18:54
alterego	I don't see an escape either, I was mearly pointing out the best use of both.	18:55
Jeffrey041	ok, found it	18:55
Jeffrey041	:)	18:55
Jeffrey041	finally	18:55
djszapi	where was it ?	18:55
Jeffrey041	in the build directory	18:55
alterego	qtcreator creates it under ../project-build-harmattan/project_v.v.v.deb	18:55
alterego	Or something similar.	18:56
Jeffrey041	cos os x doesn't assign a different icon i overlooked just now lol	18:56
Jeffrey041	sorry	18:56
itsnotabigtruck	nice	18:56
djszapi	Jeffrey041: I might need your help with testing a qt patch if/when you have time and sake.	18:57
itsnotabigtruck	before installing it, it might be a good idea to examine the content to make sure your program's actually in there, and it didn't do anything stupid	18:57
itsnotabigtruck	also make sure you're asserting all the privileges you need	18:57
alterego	dpkg -x ftw :)	18:57
Jeffrey041	djszapi: huh? but i am new to all these things lol	18:57
djszapi	:)	18:57
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itsnotabigtruck	isn't there a dpkg subcommand that lets you just list?	18:58
itsnotabigtruck	yeah, dpkg -c	18:58
itsnotabigtruck	and dpkg -I displays package info	18:58
itsnotabigtruck	so use those two on your deb to make sure it looks nice	18:59
djszapi	mmm, dpkg -c seems useful	18:59
djszapi	I have not used it yet.	18:59
* djszapi does not still understand why madde bothers with this etc thing		19:01
Jeffrey041	:P	19:01
djszapi	meanwhile it might be a good idea on archlinux etc, what will the harmattan average enduser benefit out of that ?	19:02
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itsnotabigtruck	djszapi: well, it's intended for system daemons and things like that on normal debian systems	19:03
alterego	Today feels like a Blue day, think I'm going to use my other N9	19:03
* alterego giggles		19:03
djszapi	itsnotabigtruck: yes, it makes sense on arch, debian and so on as I said, but on harmattan ? :)	19:04
djszapi	where an average does not even meet the console	19:04
itsnotabigtruck	well, they didn't put that there specifically for harmattan	19:04
Jeffrey041	alterego: how many n9s do u have?	19:04
djszapi	actually it could mess up the things for end users.	19:04
alterego	2 personal, 1 work	19:05
itsnotabigtruck	also, wtf	19:05
itsnotabigtruck	why	19:05
alterego	And an N950, though that's for super mer hacking	19:05
Jeffrey041	whoa	19:05
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itsnotabigtruck	these aren't cheap hardware	19:05
itsnotabigtruck	even with the recent price cuts	19:05
alterego	I only paid for one	19:05
itsnotabigtruck	btw newegg cut its n9 pricing again	19:05
Jeffrey041	lol, they are priced ok'ish in malaysia	19:05
Jeffrey041	:P	19:05
itsnotabigtruck	a couple weeks after i finally buy :(	19:05
* djszapi has every color expect pink :(		19:06
djszapi	except*	19:06
alterego	Yeah, I've got black, blue and white too :P	19:06
itsnotabigtruck	Jeffrey041: like how much specifically?	19:06
* alterego should buy some from Malaysia then :P		19:07
Jeffrey041	16gb official price myr1799	19:07
djszapi	got white from Nokia one and half a year ago	19:07
djszapi	blue at the qt dev days	19:07
Jeffrey041	djszapi: oh, you got the prototype?	19:07
djszapi	and black at some internal stuff	19:07
djszapi	I have not seen free pink devices	19:07
Jeffrey041	lol	19:07
Jeffrey041	mine is a 64gb black (white is not available yet), myr2088	19:08
alterego	You'd think _those_ would be the ones they'd give away. :D	19:08
itsnotabigtruck	Jeffrey041: that comes out to just about US$600 even	19:08
itsnotabigtruck	but you said that's list price, what about street price	19:08
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djszapi	alterego: so give one to me please, or let us change :)	19:08
Jeffrey041	about rm100 off the rrp	19:08
itsnotabigtruck	also, what is it with those damn unicorn N9s	19:09
alterego	I don't have one :P	19:09
alterego	I have the same selection as you	19:09
Jeffrey041	~30usd	19:09
itsnotabigtruck	it seems that 100% of the retailers that stock them don't ship overseas	19:09
alterego	As well as two black Lumia 800s :S	19:09
itsnotabigtruck	only within the EU or within scandinavia	19:09
alterego	Well, I gave one away, so I've got one now actually.	19:09
itsnotabigtruck	Jeffrey041: they're currently going for US$470 free shipping on newegg	19:09
Jeffrey041	lol	19:09
Jeffrey041	cool	19:09
itsnotabigtruck	but that's with no sales/vat taxes	19:10
Jeffrey041	free shipping worldwide?	19:10
itsnotabigtruck	no, only in the us	19:10
itsnotabigtruck	i'm not sure if newegg does export sales	19:10
Jeffrey041	then it would cost probably just as much when they are shipped to malaysia	19:10
itsnotabigtruck	right	19:10
Jeffrey041	lol, my daemon doesn't run at startup hahahaha	19:10
itsnotabigtruck	my point was more that myr1699 isn't a very good price	19:10
Jeffrey041	but it does work it seems	19:11
itsnotabigtruck	well, it's not bad at all actually	19:11
itsnotabigtruck	hrm	19:11
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Jeffrey041	i mean the daemon works, just that it is not called by upstart at start up lol	19:11
itsnotabigtruck	btw make sure you really need a daemon	19:11
itsnotabigtruck	last thing users want is a bunch of useles daemons	19:11
itsnotabigtruck	e.g. doesn't that manga reader program load a daemon? that's a perfect example of something undesirable	19:12
Jeffrey041	i really wish nokia would do this http://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=55	19:12
djszapi	Jeffrey041: have you waited at least couple of minutes ?	19:12
djszapi	is it in /etc/init/app/ ?	19:12
djszapi	have youtried to run the job manually ?	19:12
Jeffrey041	conf is in /etc/init/app	19:12
djszapi	/etc/init/apps*	19:12
djszapi	try to run manually	19:12
djszapi	it will report the syntax failures, if any.	19:13
Jeffrey041	yea, ran it manually	19:13
djszapi	have you waited enough after the reboot ?	19:13
Jeffrey041	how long does it take ?	19:13
djszapi	it is run even later the the gui stack.	19:13
itsnotabigtruck	ugh, 'behavior by design' is one of the most BS responses to an enhancement request there ever was	19:13
Jeffrey041	huh, ok	19:13
itsnotabigtruck	of course it's behaving by design, that's why someone filed a report about it	19:13
djszapi	Jeffrey041: 5-10 minutes	19:14
djszapi	I do not know	19:14
Jeffrey041	ok	19:14
Jeffrey041	didn't expect that	19:14
djszapi	so it works manually ?	19:14
Jeffrey041	yea	19:14
Jeffrey041	it works manually	19:14
djszapi	then only patience that comes up to my mind, sorry.	19:15
Jeffrey041	yea, it works manually	19:15
Jeffrey041	gotta try again	19:15
itsnotabigtruck	oh, the daemon is for your wireless control daemon, right	19:15
itsnotabigtruck	and yeah, it can take about 2 mins for upstart stuff to run	19:15
itsnotabigtruck	maybe you should wire your script to run earlier	19:16
djszapi	itsnotabigtruck: why is it a bull shit if someone wanna have a different goal for the software ?	19:16
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itsnotabigtruck	djszapi: because it's one thing to have some logic behind it	19:16
itsnotabigtruck	it's another to say "your request to add a feature is invalid, because that feature hasn't been added"	19:16
itsnotabigtruck	it's circular logic	19:16
djszapi	we also closed reports like that	19:16
djszapi	enhancement reports so that to keep the project KISS	19:17
djszapi	and not getting overbloated.	19:17
itsnotabigtruck	yeah, because it's a classic strategy to get rid of reports instead of doing something about htenm	19:17
itsnotabigtruck	of course, you can't actually do every enhancement requesy	19:17
djszapi	no	19:17
itsnotabigtruck	but you also don't invalidate them under BS pretenses	19:17
djszapi	it was just about we had different goals	19:17
djszapi	for our software in comparison with 1-2 reporters expected.	19:17
itsnotabigtruck	and what's the goal in this case? not allowing the user to control their access? it doesn't make a lot of sense	19:18
djszapi	I do not think having different goal is a bull shit, is it	19:18
itsnotabigtruck	if it was about bloat, then say that	19:18
itsnotabigtruck	but no one said bloat here	19:18
djszapi	I am replying to your original post	19:18
djszapi	andaccording to that, you cannot say universally it is a bull shit	19:18
djszapi	"ugh, 'behavior by design' is one of the most BS responses to an enhancement request there ever was" -> it is not universally bull shit, that is what I meant to write.	19:18
djszapi	in qt-components they even refused bug fixes for which I even sent patches :)	19:19
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itsnotabigtruck	i'm standing by my point, it's nonsensical to say an enhancement request (i.e. a request to alter the design)	19:19
alterego	What you perceived as a bug ..	19:19
itsnotabigtruck	is not valid because it's not part of the design	19:19
alterego	You're notoriously pedantic.	19:20
itsnotabigtruck	if there's a good reason to not resolve the request, then say it	19:20
djszapi	alterego: and also the manager	19:20
djszapi	alterego: but he said "it is not serious bugfix enough".	19:20
alterego	I thought that was flags.	19:20
itsnotabigtruck	if fixing the bug isn't realistic given time and money, then say it	19:20
itsnotabigtruck	don't invent BS reasons to get rid of reports	19:20
djszapi	alterego: no, they were not.	19:20
itsnotabigtruck	that's 3rd rate support	19:20
alterego	Why don't you send the MRs yourself.	19:20
djszapi	alterego: MR does not help	19:21
djszapi	but I belive you know it better than me	19:21
djszapi	MR /was/ sent, it /was/ merged	19:21
djszapi	but if it is not flagged for a bugfix release, what can we do ? :)	19:21
alterego	Oh yes, it caused a regression	19:21
djszapi	no	19:21
djszapi	that is a different patch	19:21
alterego	Well, one of yours did last week.	19:21
djszapi	and that was an enhancement.	19:21
alterego	I'm losing track of your little "improvements" :P	19:22
djszapi	and that was even fixed and merged	19:22
alterego	I know, I helped you fix it.	19:22
djszapi	yes I had many fixes :)	19:22
itsnotabigtruck	djszapi: well, couldn't it be rescheduled for the x+0.1 release?	19:22
djszapi	but that is what you face while developing an app anyway :)	19:22
djszapi	itsnotabigtruck: no they said they are not serious enough	19:22
djszapi	I made the selection model finally work	19:23
djszapi	with C++ models.	19:23
Jeffrey041	ok, the daemon is working like it should lol	19:23
itsnotabigtruck	i thought by 'bugfix release' you mean an x+0.0.1 release	19:23
Jeffrey041	thanks for the help :P	19:23
Jeffrey041	time to sleep	19:23
djszapi	and it was not considered serious enough so the release might be shipped with still useless (multi)selectiondialog :)	19:23
itsnotabigtruck	since qt minor releases definitely aren't just minor bugs	19:23
alterego	Useless to you, no one else has complained.	19:23
djszapi	it is not qt	19:23
djszapi	it is qt-components.	19:23
djszapi	alterego: what ?	19:24
djszapi	many people here starting with me ajalkane Venemo and so on	19:24
djszapi	there is even a separate thread and even a long blog discussion about that	19:24
djszapi	and they were all like facepalm	19:24
djszapi	it is not gonna get fixed	19:24
alterego	djszapi: you have to remember, that you're asking the wrong people. Harmattan PR releases is one thing, if your patches were of good quality and didn't cause regressions you'd get them into qt-components no problme.	19:24
djszapi	there was no regression	19:24
alterego	You're complaining about getting your patches into PR releases of Harmattan, which is a _whole_ other ball game.	19:24
alterego	Something you should no.	19:25
alterego	~know	19:25
infobot	well, know is Any fool can know, the point is to understand. - Albert Einstein	19:25
alterego	^ ++	19:25
djszapi	what ?	19:25
djszapi	it got merged, had no regressions	19:25
djszapi	tested by other folks here, asked the manager	19:25
djszapi	he rejected	19:25
alterego	So?	19:25
djszapi	community had a facepalm	19:25
alterego	That's how it is.	19:25
djszapi	this is plain embarassing	19:26
alterego	It's business as usual.	19:26
djszapi	and it is not even about a new feature, but make a component work with C++ models, like stringlist :)	19:26
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alterego	aaaanyway.	19:27
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alterego	Not getting involved in your trolling any more ..	19:27
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alterego	Well, I just need to glitz up my user interface and I'll submit my IP camera operator UI to Ovi :)	19:32
alterego	Though think I'll test it with some cheap Chinese models that are supposed to be compatible with the Foscam ..	19:32
djszapi	itsnotabigtruck: can you show that bugreport ?	19:32
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DrGrov	Hi everyone	19:39
DrGrov	Is lpsmagic 1.3 available in the Nokia Store for the N9? Or I get it from TMO?	19:39
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djszapi	http://store.ovi.com/search?q=lpsmagic	19:40
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itsnotabigtruck	DrGrov: no, but you can turn on devmode and install the deb	19:48
itsnotabigtruck	in fact, i'm not sure you even need devmode, just download and run the deb	19:48
itsnotabigtruck	you just need to have unsigned installation turned on first	19:48
itsnotabigtruck	(settings > applications > installations)	19:49
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DrGrov	itsnotabigtruck: Ok, I will update it later on tonight.	19:51
DrGrov	itsnotabigtruck: You got a link to the thread of lpsmagic?	19:52
itsnotabigtruck	yeesh :p http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81923	19:52
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DrGrov	itsnotabigtruck: Good	19:54
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DrGrov	I will pick it up later	19:54
DrGrov	itsnotabigtruck: Can you post instructions on how to install it to cryptch?	19:55
DrGrov	itsnotabigtruck: I remeber some parts but not every part	19:55
itsnotabigtruck	DrGrov: my instructions were unneededly complicated	19:56
itsnotabigtruck	if you can't install it from the gui (browser downloads box or a file manager)	19:56
itsnotabigtruck	then just use: pkgmgr install-file -f path/to/deb.deb	19:57
itsnotabigtruck	that will autoinstall the deps and stuff	19:57
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DrGrov	itsnotabigtruck: Great, I will use pkgmgr install-file -f /path/to/deb.deb then	19:59
itsnotabigtruck	<as root> apt-get update; apt-get install wget; wget http://blah/blah.deb; pkgmgr install-file -f blah.deb	19:59
DrGrov	Ah yes	19:59
DrGrov	Those I do remember	19:59
DrGrov	:)	19:59
itsnotabigtruck	there's complete instructions including the download part	19:59
DrGrov	devel-su for root, rootme normal password?	20:00
itsnotabigtruck	yeah	20:00
DrGrov	I got luckily wget already fixed :)	20:00
DrGrov	Since I got 1.1 of lpsmagic earlier	20:00
djszapi	Finally there's a killer app for Symbian, but it's quite a bit too late... http://t-tests.blogspot.com/2012/02/boobies-for-symbian3-phones.html :)	20:00
DrGrov	I wonder, does it matter if I do devel-su and then wget? I just get the .deb in root then. Should not be a problem?	20:00
DrGrov	Ah, boobies :)	20:01
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djszapi	should not.	20:02
DrGrov	Good, I just gotta remember to delete the .deb from root	20:03
DrGrov	Anyone using any Nokia Bluetooth handsfree on the N9/N950?	20:03
DrGrov	Are they working as they should? Volume buttons working properly, answering call with button on the BT?	20:04
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ieatlint	DrGrov: yep	20:20
ieatlint	however for stereo audio playback i get issues	20:21
ZogG_laptop	sup	20:22
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npm	some bluetooth issues have been improved for PR1.2	20:24
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djszapi	anybody having an ssh config setup for the qt-project beyond an insane corporate proxy ?	20:24
djszapi	http://paste.kde.org/205286/ -> trying to get it work hard, but does not work out :/	20:25
djszapi	I wanted to avoid corkscrew so far.	20:25
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ZogG_laptop	frals: ping	21:00
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blueslee	frals: hello, can you post an image where more than 2 colors are used and the screen is not flickering? for me simple cases dont work	21:07
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DrGrov	admiral0: Hi there. Lpsmagic guy :)	21:22
DrGrov	admiral0: Did you mean that to install version 1.3 of lpsmagic it has to be done the same way as 1.1? But not need to uninstall before, just overwrite install the 1.3 .deb ?	21:22
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frals	ZogG_laptop: pong	21:30
frals	blueslee: http://irc.frals.se/~frals/colors.png dont see any flicker here at least	21:30
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ZogG_laptop	frals: can i bother you little bit more about same thing?	21:31
frals	ZogG_laptop: sure, i cant promise i can do anything thou	21:31
ZogG_laptop	may i pm?	21:31
frals	go ahead, no need to ask	21:31
DrGrov	itsnotabigtruck: I hope 1.3 is installed properly	21:32
DrGrov	itsnotabigtruck: InstallFile /root/ls-magic_1.3_armel.deb 100%	21:32
DrGrov	/root/ls-magic_1.3_armel.deb installed successfully!	21:33
DrGrov	I used "pkgmgr install-file -f ls-magic_1.3_armel.deb"	21:34
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admiral0	DrGrov: yes	21:35
admiral0	lpsmagic is safe to upgrade	21:35
blueslee	frals: thank you, your image is working ... can you check this one for me http://postimage.org/image/6pkyr1n5f/3b7f8d77/	21:36
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frals	blueslee: do you have a version thats not compressed like hell?	21:36
DrGrov	admiral0: Ok, good. It says installed successfully so.	21:36
DrGrov	admiral0: Do I notice any differencies between 1.1 and 1.3 upon startup?	21:36
blueslee	frals: hehe, you think that may be a problem?	21:37
admiral0	nope	21:37
admiral0	1.3 fixes 1 issue	21:37
frals	blueslee: yes, you are using all kinds of crazy colors in that image ;)	21:37
blueslee	one moment, i will generate one	21:37
frals	blueslee: ill create one that looks like that myself and see	21:37
admiral0	flash space detection is no more fatal	21:38
blueslee	frals: i thought magenta and cyan would be okay, 00ff00, ff0000 and so on	21:38
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blueslee	frals: my aim is to display a chess board http://postimage.org/image/it87e7atj/	21:40
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vsync	wonder if it'll ever be possible to change background for the applications-view	21:43
frals	for the appgrid? it already is	21:44
frals	blueslee: http://irc.frals.se/~frals/colors2.png works fine for me	21:45
frals	blueslee: do notice the difference that mine is not compressed and is PNG-8 (with only 4 colors in the palette)	21:45
itsnotabigtruck	admiral0: you did fix the dependencies in 1.3 right?	21:50
itsnotabigtruck	because if you didn't, my pkgmgr command would have autoremoved the dependencies	21:51
admiral0	i think i did	21:53
admiral0	itsnotabigtruck: it's ok	21:54
admiral0	i'm thinking of a way to test on the device	21:55
admiral0	i hate the fact i can't test on the desktop :\	21:55
ZogG_laptop	hey, anyone with scratchbox here? can you run locate -i xauth ?	22:06
admiral0	ZogG_laptop: package xauth, /usr/bin/xauth	22:10
frals	hes looking for something like account-plugin-xauth	22:11
ZogG_laptop	admiral0: searching for headers	22:11
admiral0	ZogG_laptop:	22:15
admiral0	dpkg-query -S /usr/include/X11/Xauth.h	22:15
admiral0	libxau-dev: /usr/include/X11/Xauth.h	22:15
ZogG_laptop	not that =)	22:15
ZogG_laptop	the one part of signon plugin	22:15
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npm	"harmattan" was the answer to http://www.theworld.org/geo-quiz-challenge.php -- apparently this year's was very large over west africa	22:49
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Arkenoi	is there any trick to get "Extraplugins accounts UI" working on n950? I get "waiting" and then "download error"	22:51
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* npm blindly runs new /opt/QtSDK/InstrumentationDashboard/bin/instrumentation_dashboard that came w/ qtsdk update		23:22
npm	poked in eye w/ /opt/QtSDK/InstrumentationDashboard/bin/instrumentation_dashboard: /usr/lib64/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.14' not found (required by /opt/QtSDK/InstrumentationDashboard/bin/../lib/libdeviceclient.so.1)	23:23
npm	well it runs on meego 1.2 so i'll just blame it on ancience of desktop	23:27
npm	and it's pretty useful with a nice set of utilities...	23:31
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* npm notes "Following packages need to be installed on device, otherwise the tool name in Instrumentation Dashboard "Tools" menu will be greyed out."		23:36
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npm	QUESTION: how come i get "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! latrace swaplogger	23:38
npm	but strace installs w/o complaint	23:38
npm	and so did latrace but ....	23:41
npm	Aegis rejecting /var/cache/apt/archives/swaplogger_0.13+0m6_armel.deb: package 'swaplogger' origin cannot be determined -- signature check failed	23:41
itsnotabigtruck	npm: the former two are probably from the harmattan-dev repo, i bet	23:41
npm	yeah	23:41
itsnotabigtruck	but that's strange, hrm	23:42
itsnotabigtruck	my understanding is that aegis can use either embedded package signatures or the normal apt signing system	23:42
itsnotabigtruck	in the latter case, it matters how you install the package	23:42
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npm	so how do i get signatures for latrace and swaplogger	23:44
npm	and why does one succeed and one fail despite the same lack of sig?	23:44
npm	mysteries of PR1.2	23:45
npm	well that's entertaining you can run your app and strace it from another screen w/ nice graphical summaries	23:49
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