IRC log of #harmattan for Sunday, 2012-02-05

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ZogG_laptopi feel that pr1.2 would come this week =)00:58
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admiral0ZogG_laptop: how come this feeling?01:22
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djszapiN9rzr pinh01:55
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djszapiN9interesting why i cannot use joikuspot with wifi connection02:04
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itsnotabigtruckif anyone's around and has a PR1.0 device handy, any chance you could check what version of libtimed0 you have05:34
itsnotabigtruckcmd = dpkg -l libtimed005:34
itsnotabigtruckthis is for an enhanced replacement for the live calendar icon hack, if anyone wants to give it a try just ask05:34
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smokexfinally libpurple support for the accounts/message inegration07:00
itsnotabigtrucksmokex: any idea about the libtimed0 thing?07:01
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rZrdjszapi: morning do u have a program for today ?10:15
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Venemo_N950morning everyone10:16
itsnotabigtruckhey Venemo_N95010:16
itsnotabigtruckgot harmattan pr1.0 around somewhere?10:16
itsnotabigtruckany idea what version of libtimed0 it comes with?10:16
Venemo_N950after not using it for > a month, I must say the N950 is awesome :)10:16
Venemo_N950itsnotabigtruck, sorry, I haven't a clue10:17
itsnotabigtruckVenemo_N950: it can be checked using > dpkg -l libtimed010:17
Venemo_N950but I don't have pr1.010:17
itsnotabigtruckbut i already know what ver is on pr1.1...the problem is that the api doesn't expose an important flag on 2.5010:18
itsnotabigtruckand i suspect that pr1.0 comes with that, because that's what's part of the platform sdk10:18
Venemo_N950I don't know and I prefer not to speculate :)10:20
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rZrdjszapi: morning11:38
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djszapirZr: morning11:44
rZrwhere can i find u11:46
rZrabout to buy a book for my host11:46
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djszapirZr: I am sitting infront of the crossdesktop room11:47
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djszapicome here.11:47
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rZrdid not lock my screen11:51
rZrand a monkey pick my n95011:51
rZrdjszapi: i am comming11:51
merlin1991Monkey? o_O11:51
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djszapirZr: I am in front of the room11:55
djszapinot inside11:55
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rZrdjszapi: let me get out then12:01
rZrdjszapi: tell me where u are12:03
djszapirZr: heh, I have just comeinside :)12:03
djszapiare you at the room 1308 ?12:03
rZrjust out now12:03
djszapiI can come outside, this is not so interesting talk to me :)12:03
rZrcomme on12:03
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Venemohow do I turn off device lock in Harmattan?12:19
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djszapiVenemo: I do not think the average user can turn off completely.12:29
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Venemodjszapi, umm, I'm meaning the actual device lock feature which asks me for a lock code when I unlock the device12:39
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djszapiVenemo: I meant to answer for that.13:09
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fralsVenemo: settings > security > device lock > off?14:01
fralsVenemo: if you have mfe account setup it likely wont let you depending on mfe policy, though14:01
rZrdjszapi: going to some lvmm presentation14:03
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Venemofrals, OMG14:13
Venemofrals, how can I change that mfe policy?14:13
fralsyou talk to your server administrator14:13
Venemof yea.14:14
Venemothis policy is not even cared about on WP714:14
fralsor if your organization allows non-provisionable devices, remove account and resetup and tick the "non-provisionable device" box and the phone wont care about exchange policy14:15
Venemowill it work if I don't resetup, just tick that box?14:15
fralsyou have to recreate the account im pretty sure14:16
fralsbecause the sync relationship with the server is already saying it supports security features14:16
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djszapithe autolock off setting != devicelock off14:19
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djszapirZr: this qpresentation is boring here :)14:19
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Venemofrals, also, why can't I make it sync messages older than 2 weeks?14:21
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Venemofrals, ok, a re-setup and checking "non-provisionable device" solved it! thanks :)14:26
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djszapiHow can I get the integer quotient of a division for a ListElement role ?14:36
djszapiI would like to get rid of the X.Y stuff without real javascript hacking. I hope there is a nice way for this conversion.14:36
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djszapirZr: have you tried the t-shirt ?14:47
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rZrdjszapi: will do u will find me15:06
rZrdjszapi: now listening to mozilla mobile will switch ti icerobot @k15:07
PaulePanterHi folks.15:07
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PaulePanterReceiving a call with the N9 (Harmattan 1.1) only the number is shown and not the name from my address book.15:08
PaulePanterAnd in the address book I only can search for a name and no number.15:08
PaulePanterIt happens with SMS and (incoming) calls.15:09
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petteriyes, it is know bug15:22
PaulePanterDoes anyone know if it will be fixed it Harmattan 1.2?15:23
petterino idea15:23
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admiral0is there qdbus for the n9?15:56
admiral0it's in :\15:57
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admiral0hello rZr16:48
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npmis there a way to call the /usr/bin/search application with an existing search string?17:20
rZradmiral0: hi whois a fosdem here ?17:21
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djszapirZr: I am sitting at the continous integration room17:23
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itsnotabigtruckrzr npm petteri PaulePanter: any idea what version of libtimed0 is on PR1.0 (use dpkg -l libtimed0)17:24
rZrdjszapi: is it better than qt5 ?17:25
djszapirZr: no, it is boring :P17:25
djszapiis there some qt5 somewhere ?17:25
rZryesterday there was those shaders project17:26
rZrit was qt517:26
djszapiI missed that because of cmake, I am afraid.17:27
rZrlibtimed0       2.54+0m7        timed client library17:27
rZritsnotabigtruck:f(or you17:28
itsnotabigtruckrzr: that must be PR1.2beta17:28
itsnotabigtruckbut thanks for checking17:28
itsnotabigtrucki need >=2.51, and the sdk came with 2.5017:28
itsnotabigtruckso i'm worried that's what PR1.0 includes17:29
rZritsnotabigtruck: look at the forum i created a poll17:29
djszapijust create an 1.0 target in scratchbox17:29
djszapiand done17:29
rZrto track wich fw pple are running17:29
djszapithis is the beta217:30
djszapianyway, having a Pr1.0 target is good idea either way.17:30
djszapirZr: when do you plan to leave FOSDEM/Brussel ?17:30
rZrtom morning17:31
* djszapi too17:31
rZrgot plans for dinner ?17:32
djszapiin Leuven most likely.17:32
djszapiat my friend's place.17:32
rZri am w a couple of friends but u can join us17:32
rZrthen we'll not that farr online17:33
rZrbrb ill ping u once this deb talk is over17:34
itsnotabigtrucklater rzr!17:37
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faenilhas anyone ever used DocumentGalleryModel17:51
faenilI mean, how can you put a property with name "width" and "height" when all freaking components in QML use that name!?!?!?17:53
faenilwere they drunk or what? I'm so pissed!17:53
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djszapirZr: ping18:04
djszapiI am about to leave, but drop by the ex-open mobile linux devroom beforehand18:04
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Venemofaenil, yes I use the DocumentGalleryModel18:26
Venemofaenil, sorry for the late response18:26
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faenilVenemo: fixed, it's a damn bug (or missing feature?) in the simulator18:47
faenilit doesn't return image's width/height correctly, it returns 018:47
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itsnotabigtruckfaenil: any idea about the libtimed0 pr1.0 thing?19:01
itsnotabigtruck(sorry about bugging absolutely everyone, but there isn't an easy way to find out besides asking someone or downloading the whole thing and dumping it)19:01
admiral0itsnotabigtruck: you updated ota to 1.1?19:02
faenilnope sorry19:02
itsnotabigtruckadmiral0: i updated off the air, but yeah19:03
admiral0you didn't flash ?19:03
admiral0probably there is a log of all installs19:03
admiral0all serious pkg managers have logs19:04
itsnotabigtruckadmiral0: nah, i think dpkg logging is turned off on N(19:04
itsnotabigtruckthere's a log but it doesn't have much of anything inside19:04
itsnotabigtruckand by 'off the air' i mean via NSU19:04
itsnotabigtruckrather than the on-phone automatic update19:04
itsnotabigtrucki already had the 1.5gig payload downloaded so why wait through that again19:05
itsnotabigtruckbtw per the debian python policy you should add a dependency on python or python2.x to your ls-magic package19:06
admiral0it lists all installed packages for me in /var/log/apt19:06
admiral0itsnotabigtruck: ls-magic 1.x is the last major release19:07
admiral0in py19:07
admiral02.X is fully C++/Qt19:07
admiral0i have date widget working19:08
admiral0current TODOs are external plugin loading19:08
admiral0icon resource system19:08
itsnotabigtruckadmiral0: that's python version 2.x19:08
itsnotabigtrucknot ls-magic version 2.x19:09
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itsnotabigtruckoh, nm19:09
admiral0but ls-magic 1.3 will be hopefully last release in py19:09
itsnotabigtruckwell, since you're going c++, look into using the system aligned timer19:10
admiral0what do you mean?19:10
itsnotabigtruckit causes the system to schedule tasks together in batches to minimize battery consumption19:10
itsnotabigtrucklong link incoming19:10
admiral0itsnotabigtruck: <319:11
itsnotabigtrucki'm not sure if it's really appropriate, if you set a really wide window then there coul be periods where it stops updating for a long time19:12
itsnotabigtruckbut e.g. 1 to 3 minutes might make sense19:12
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admiral0i like it19:13
itsnotabigtruckalso maybe look into using libtimed or some other mechanism to ensure you get notified when the clock strikes midnight19:14
admiral0i can disable updates when system is active19:14
admiral0itsnotabigtruck: ?19:14
itsnotabigtruckthe date field, it should update on the dot at 0000h19:14
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itsnotabigtruckand if the user plays around with the time zone, it should update based off of that19:14
admiral0the way it's engineered any plugin can trigger an update19:15
itsnotabigtrucke.g. getting off a plane at 0100h destination time and turning off flight mode19:15
admiral0itsnotabigtruck: i don't want it overcomplicated19:15
itsnotabigtrucktbh the whole plugin arrangement sounds super overkill19:15
admiral0it's not19:15
admiral0very easy to mantain19:16
itsnotabigtruckwhereas the timed integration isn't visible complexity, to the user it just works19:16
itsnotabigtruckthere might be a better way to watch for zone changes and stuff though19:16
itsnotabigtrucki wonder what the clock on the lock screen does19:16
admiral0absolutely nothing19:16
admiral0imo it just gets current system time19:16
itsnotabigtruckwell, it does something, namely update every minute19:17
itsnotabigtruckand update when the zone changes19:17
itsnotabigtruckwhich can happen w/o user intervention remember19:17
itsnotabigtruckso it has to have some way to hook that19:17
admiral0then it sets system19:22
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itsnotabigtruckadmiral0: right, but the lockscreen has to watch for when the system tz changes19:25
itsnotabigtrucktimed is one way to do said watching, there might be another way19:25
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itsnotabigtruckin any case, what i'm suggesting is doing an immediate refresh any time the date could have changed19:25
itsnotabigtruckwhich isn't all that difficult now that you're reengineering it in c++19:26
itsnotabigtruck(timeD isn't so easy to use from python)19:26
admiral0it's already engineered19:27
admiral0i keep the core as dumb as possible19:27
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faenilcan anybody help me understand why flickable resets my items' contentX/Y?19:32
faenilafter I set contentHeight/width19:32
faeniland how I can stop that19:32
Venemo_faenil, it depends. what exactly do you wanna do?19:33
faenila damned pinchtozoom algo19:33
faeniland it was working till yesterday19:33
faenilthen today I reinstalled windows and linux19:34
faeniland now it's not working anymore19:34
Venemo_for pinch to zoom, just use PinchArea19:34
faenilthat just zoom from the center19:34
faenilI want a decent pinchtozoom ;)19:34
faenilwith flickable content19:34
faeniltry to do that, and you'll see what I mean :)19:34
faenilflickable and pincharea will start punching you in the face19:35
faenilbut I got it it's not working anymore, and I don't know why19:35
Venemo_ahyes, they steal the touch points from each other :)19:36
Venemo_I remember sucking with them19:36
faenilit's not much about that, it's about size and ratios19:37
faenilkeeping the contentSize in pair with what it really is while zooming in and then zooming out so that it zoomsin/out from the point you're pinching, doesn't seem to be thrivial19:37
Venemo_it's not trivial indeed19:39
Venemo_oh btw, faenil, FYI, I've increased the size of the buttons in Puzzle Master to fit your translation :P19:39
faenilahaha thanks :D19:39
faenilI can't believe that I didn't keep the backup copy...19:40
faenilI'm so angry19:40
faenilok I ctrl+zed all the way back19:42
faeniland it still doesn't work19:42
faenilit's not my fault19:42
faenilit's probably the new sdk which changed something19:42
faenildamn it19:42
faenilwhich is still word19:43
Milhouseanyone with pr1.2beta, that restored a PR1.1 backup, able to confirm if you see the Home or Work telephone number fields when adding a NEW contact? Mine have both gone AWOL, I now only see Mobile19:56
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Milhousenoone able to verify, before i raise yet another bug?20:06
itsnotabigtruckMilhouse: no pr1.2beta here :(20:07
itsnotabigtruckit does seem like the whole backup mechanism is playing with fire20:07
Milhousethanks :(20:07
itsnotabigtruckboth symbian and meego seem to have overly complicated backup schemes that tend to fsck your phone20:07
Milhouseit's the first time i've tried adding a new contact since pr1.2, so maybe something else has caused the fields to disappear - or it could be the restore process20:08
Milhousei though the restore had gone remarkably well, to be honest20:08
Milhousebut little things like this could go unnoticed for weeks20:08
itsnotabigtruckare you sure you checked if the field just needed to be added?20:08
Milhousecan't find it to add20:09
Milhousewhen you got to add a new contact, what fields do you see (by default)?20:09
itsnotabigtruckah, figured it out20:09
itsnotabigtrucktap where it says mobile20:09
itsnotabigtruckalso when you fill in one number it automatically adds a second box for the next type, and so on20:09
MilhouseI see: First name, Last name, Mobile (number) and Home (email address)20:09
Milhouseyes, if i put in a random mobile number then Home appears. If I fill in Home, then Work appears.20:10
MilhouseWhat fuckwit thought that was a good idea???20:10
itsnotabigtruckdid you try tapping on Mobile20:10
itsnotabigtruckit lets you change the type of number on the existing field20:11
itsnotabigtruckthe idea is that once you set one kind of number, it gives you another field to set another type20:11
itsnotabigtruckbut you can change any field to any type20:11
MilhouseMan... i feel rather stupid, but also wonder if this is really a good UI...20:11
Milhousebeen so long since I added a contact manually! :)20:11
itsnotabigtruckit doesn't seem that bad...maybe a bit oblique20:11
Milhouseok, so problem solved - thanks itsnotabigtruck :)20:12
itsnotabigtruckdesigning UIs /only/ for "intuitiveness" just dumbs everything down20:12
MilhouseI suppose the underlined fields was a bit of a clue20:13
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bluesleehas someone background informations on the low power screen of the n9?20:39
bluesleeon tmo many say that only black-white is allowed but that doesnt seem to be true20:40
bluesleei need a black, white and one more color:-)20:40
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bluesleeadmiral0: ping21:00
fralsblueslee: its 3bit21:02
itsnotabigtruckso 8-color eh21:08
itsnotabigtruckwhite, cyan, magenta, yellow, red, green, blue, black21:09
fralsblueslee: ie 000000, 0000ff, 00ff00, ff0000, ffff00 and their inverses, or something like that21:09
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itsnotabigtruckit's probably better to stick to white anyway, that way it matches the aesthetic21:09
bluesleeitsnotabigtruck: frals: i will need to map a chessboard and chess figures, so i need at least 3 colors and it will be hard to map in such a color schemes automatically21:11
itsnotabigtrucko.O this sounds interesting...correspondence chess through the lp screen?21:13
admiral0blueslee: pong21:14
itsnotabigtruckanyway, tha tshould do the trick then, use 2 colors to draw a checkerboard, and 2 more for white/black players21:14
bluesleeitsnotabigtruck: i have several ideas, the first one is trivial, just display a "chess mate in 1, 2 ..." puzzle on the lp21:14
bluesleeadmiral0: see above21:14
itsnotabigtruckthe main problem would be resolution, how do you make the chess figures legible with such a tiny board21:14
admiral0blueslee: (r,g,b)21:15
admiral0blueslee: any can be either 0 or 25521:15
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bluesleeitsnotabigtruck: that is no issue, the figures are okay21:15
admiral0so (255,0,255) will do21:16
itsnotabigtruckbtw does PNG support 3-bit color?21:16
fralsblueslee: itsnotabigtruck: a one line change to a css files lets you make it bigger, fwiw21:16
bluesleeadmiral0: i tried 8bit on operator logo, you mean lp screen is different in that case?21:16
itsnotabigtrucki.e. one bit per channel21:16
bluesleefrals: i know, i have 337x33721:16
bluesleeitsnotabigtruck: the second idea is to use gnuchess in the terminal, export the current status in a fen format and convert it to an image, that would be "live" chess21:18
bluesleeis image magick available on harmattan?21:18
itsnotabigtruckit looks like the closest you can get is 4 bits per pixel indexed color21:18
itsnotabigtruckwhich you would map to an 8 color palette21:18
bluesleeitsnotabigtruck: i will first map with the help of gimp and display it on the n921:19
itsnotabigtruckalso, as for imagemagick...21:19
bluesleeitsnotabigtruck: i tried with different palettes, but i guess with the wrong ones21:19
itsnotabigtruckat least, it's in the sdk21:20
itsnotabigtruckno idea if it's on the n921:20
bluesleeadmiral0: what about your c code instead of python, any progress?21:20
itsnotabigtruckapt-cache search magick -> libmagick10, imagemagick21:21
itsnotabigtruckblueslee: but i think qt has its own image stuff, maybe look into that?21:22
bluesleethats goog21:22
itsnotabigtruckbtw just a shot in the dark - frals blueslee: you guys don't have access to devices with PR1.0 do you?21:22
bluesleeitsnotabigtruck: i am close to the cli using crontab for different kinds of things21:22
itsnotabigtrucki need to check what version of libtimed0 originally shipped (dpkg -l libtimed0)21:23
itsnotabigtrucki need 2.51+ and i'm afraid pr1.0 shipped with 2.5021:23
bluesleeitsnotabigtruck: flashing back does not work, hehe ... but21:23
itsnotabigtruckalso blueslee: i thought cron doesn't normally ship with harmattan21:23
itsnotabigtruckthat's why i'm using timed, which does21:24
bluesleeitsnotabigtruck: i know, i installed it from the meego forum21:24
itsnotabigtruckthe problem with timed is that registering a task requires a *very* complicated dbus-send command, or use of the libtimed0 library from c++21:24
itsnotabigtruckyou can't modify the config directly, it's aegis-protected21:24
bluesleeokay, i have no issues with cron except that it has to run as root21:25
itsnotabigtruckwell, the cron would probably interfere with shipping it through c-obs or ovi store21:26
bluesleeadmiral0: i hope your code can handle something like "lpmagic textfile"21:26
admiral0won't be like this21:26
bluesleeitsnotabigtruck: yes you are right, so far its only hacking, i am not a developer:-)21:27
admiral0more like %text{text}21:27
bluesleeadmiral0: so i can tell the application to load a textfile or do you have a gui to paste the text or so21:28
admiral0there is a config21:28
admiral0you can also write a plugin21:28
admiral0like %quote{random}21:29
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bluesleeadmiral0: sounds very promising, i just want to display my nba statistics21:35
bluesleeadmiral0: see
bluesleeitsnotabigtruck: the only chance to get back to pr 1.0 would be with the help of the rescue images and dd backups of pr 1.021:38
bluesleeitsnotabigtruck: but i dont know if this  would work, for instance its not possible just to flash if you inputed wrong phone lock codes21:40
bluesleefrals: hey, you are the guy from the lpm customizer which i installed some minutes ago21:43
fralsblueslee: that would be me, yeah21:44
bluesleefrals: it has also an option to display text, are there any chances to use textfiles and display those with dimensions > 120x12021:46
infoboti heard #harmattan update is
itsnotabigtruckblueslee: nah, i don't want to downgrade21:47
fralsblueslee: theres the code to generate the text at least ;)21:47
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itsnotabigtrucki was just hoping to know if my app would have the proper dependencies on other phones that still are on pr1.021:47
* Venemo is updating his N950 to PR 1.222:16
Venemo"Erasing, this may take while" indeed takes a WHILE.22:17
Venemobtw, is there a tool for Harmattan which can check for phone number duplicates?22:18
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RST38haddress bookmerge?22:25
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VenemoRST38h, please elaborate22:33
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Venemook, PR 1.2 is there now22:40
Venemowallpapers setting is empty - LOL22:40
Venemo"unable to trance installation dependencies" - says anything in "developer mode"22:46
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Venemoand the backup app was unable to restore my accounts22:46
Venemoare these normal?22:48
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RST38hWell,the applications cannot be restored because apt-get crashes when doing anything with the ovi store installations22:52
RST38haccounts restored fine for me22:52
VenemoI didn't even try to restore applications22:52
Venemobut, after I copypasted all my previous backups and pressed restore on the latest, it now restored my accounts too22:52
RST38hunable to trace shit is apparently due to aegis made extra anal in pr 1.222:52
RST38hit can'tinstall gdb btw,but installsall the other tools22:53
trxhow do i use chmod on harmattan?22:58
trxi want to allow an executable to be run22:58
trxand it seems that because of aegis a 15 second job is now >60min job23:00
trxwhich is making me want to hang myself every now and then23:00
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npmso does anybody know how to invoke search app programmatically ( /usr/bin/search invokes, but how do you set the search string??)23:10
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npmand how do you query which keyboard is visible, since they take up different amount of space23:20
* npm updating voicetogoog for pr 1.223:20
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grinpm: Since you can control the ovi app via dbus, I would expect that for the search, too23:28
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pinheiro_guys one question making one ap in qt creator its all ready but im wondering how do i set the icon for the configure screen?23:53
pinheiro_configure apps23:53
pinheiro_the main icon is working fine23:53
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