IRC log of #harmattan for Monday, 2012-01-30

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Venemohi djszapi :)00:03
Venemohow're you? :)00:03
djszapiVenemo: sucking with qml stuff :D00:04
itsnotabigtruckdoes anybody here have a) windows xp, and b) visual studio 2005, 2008, or 2010?00:04
djszapihave you ever used this pathline thingie ?00:04
Venemoitsnotabigtruck, a) NO b) yes, 2008 and 201000:05
djszapiVenemo: PathLine is a qml element00:05
djszapiI kinda thought it provides something like QSplitter back then.00:05
djszapiyou know...the grey line you see in the settings..00:06
itsnotabigtruckVenemo: :( the problem is that i need a COM interface lib for something they took out with vista/700:06
Venemodjszapi, I dunno, never used it00:06
itsnotabigtruckbut thanks00:06
Venemoitsnotabigtruck, what're you trying to do?00:06
itsnotabigtruckVenemo: make certificate requests00:06
Venemoand there's no other way?00:07
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itsnotabigtruckVenemo: nope, not on xp - what happened is that they replaced the old library with a different, incompatible one, starting with vista00:12
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befordhey, does anybody have a working example of calling a QML function from c++?00:28
djszapiwhy would you do that ?00:29
befordnot sure :D00:31
befordI need to invert the theme00:31
djszapifor what event ?00:31
befordso I have a Qsettings value and read it from c++00:31
befordnot sure how to invert it from c++, in QML is just easier with theme.invert = true00:32
djszapiwhy do you need to invert it from C++ ?00:32
befordwell because I have the QSettings on the c++ backend?00:32
djszapidoes not really matter00:33
befordand I check if it was inverted before closing it, and I am trying to invert it on startup00:33
djszapiI have a whole of bunch of kconfig-xt, but I still do the stuff in qml00:33
djszapithis is weak reasoning for C++ theme inverting so far.00:33
befordok I think I can check for the value in the OnCompleted event, and apply the inverted?00:35
befordQML OnCompleted thats it00:35
djszapiyes of course everybody does that :)00:35
djszapi -> Here is my code.00:36
befordheh I was looking for examples and didn't found any, thanks going to check it00:37
djszapiI have more applications doing this.00:38
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DrGrovWhat cool is there except ProfileMatic and ipsmagic for the N9? Something that more experienced users can recommend for a n00000000000000b like me :D02:33
djszapiyou might wanna look into OVI02:35
DrGrovdjszapi: Ok, will do. Just thought that users give better comments than OVI.02:36
djszapiusers do give comments in OVI02:37
DrGrovOk, then I head over there02:37
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: clearly you haven't ever actually read an ovi store review >_>02:37
DrGrovI have read a few but I do not find them very rewarding... That is why I thought I would ask here02:38
djszapiitsnotabigtruck: please talk silly things like that to someone else, thanks.02:38
DrGrovHi itsnotabigtruck02:38
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: hold on, i'm pulling up the app list on my phone02:38
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: Thanks :) Much appreciated.02:38
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DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: I am sure you got some app that you can recommend that would be useful to keep around.02:39
djszapiDrGrov: everybody will advise distinct apps...02:39
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: yeah, but some are objectively high quality, and some aren't02:39
DrGrovdjszapi: Well better that than reading OVI store comments it seems02:40
itsnotabigtruckeasylist, ipradio, meescan, mtimer, orienteering compass, podcasts, scicalc, the flashlight, translateall, currency converter02:40
djszapiand what one advises to you, might be uncool for you, so why not try ?02:40
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djszapiDrGrov: that is bad, if people think like that02:40
itsnotabigtruck^ all of those i've found to be quite good (though ipradio is a little buggy)02:40
djszapiI always leave my sincere comment there.02:40
DrGrovdjszapi: What is Meescan all about?02:40
djszapiI would personally recommend kalgebra instead of "scicalc".02:41
DrGrovdjszapi: I do not question your sincerity about commenting :)02:41
djszapitranslateall .... really simply stuff, so if you need a bit more advanced dictionary, no ho.02:41
djszapino go*02:41
DrGrovdjszapi: I am questioning the way to get recommendations. I do not find much use to read comments, I prefer to ask instead.02:42
djszapiDrGrov: what is the difference between people here or there ?02:42
djszapifrom user pov.02:42
djszapiapart from that you might get zillion comments there in comparison with the situation here Sunday/Monday 02:42 am.02:42
DrGrovdjszapi: Definitely users here are much more interested in the actual N9/N950 stuff than someone out in the OVI Store. I am 100% sure about that.02:43
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: you do realize that ovi store is not a message board, right02:43
djszapiitsnotabigtruck: it indeed is02:44
itsnotabigtruckit's 100% useless for what drgrov wants, unless you count exhaustively installing every app, trying it, uninstalling it02:44
djszapiyou can leave your comment on the application. That is the damn purpose of commenting.02:44
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DrGrovdjszapi: Well the god damn purpose of commenting does not make a flying fuck difference for me right now. I come here to ask opinions but definitely if nobody gives them to me then fine. I ask somewhere else.02:45
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: don't be a prick...and you should probably get some sleep for monday morning if you're such a high flying mobile programmer02:45
djszapiitsnotabigtruck: welcome on my ignore list.02:46
DrGrovdjszapi: I hope you ignore me as well yes?02:46
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: awesome, thanks02:46
DrGrovdjszapi: I am just saying that this way for me to search information is much more useful than reading comments on OVI Store. No offence02:47
itsnotabigtruckbloody pedants02:47
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: So back to questions then :D02:48
djszapiDrGrov: do you understand what rating is for ?02:48
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: well, for meescan, the ovi store description sums up what it is02:48
djszapiand description in ovi ?02:48
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DrGrovdjszapi: Yes I do understand what it is all about and why it is there.02:49
itsnotabigtruckkalgebra has graphs and scicalc doesn't, but the latter looks nicer02:49
djszapiyou can aska one person sure ... instead of checking the ratings from people02:49
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itsnotabigtruckthe problem is that ovi store reviews make youtube comments look like shakespeare02:49
DrGrovdjszapi: I do not trust the ratings since most of the users I would stumble upon on OVI Store might not give me that answer I am looking for which I get here right away / or at least faster02:49
djszapiyou got one answer in say, 20 minutes ?02:50
itsnotabigtruckgenerally they're either one word of russian, or broken english02:50
djszapiI would have read many good posts from people in that period.02:50
djszapiwhat is the purpose of those features in ovi, if people do not use them ?02:51
DrGrovdjszapi: Yeah, I got a good answer already since I got a good list of useful apps that itsnotabigtruck uses and thus makes it easier for me to go there and pick them.02:51
djszapigood apps for you or for him ?02:51
DrGrovdjszapi: Well some people like to make comments in OVI but others like me like to come here perhaps or some other place first and ask for opinions.02:51
DrGrovdjszapi: They seem like good apps for him and since I now know the names of his most used apps I might look more into which ones he suggested and look if they are good for me as well or not.02:52
ieatlintitsnotabigtruck: think of the audience that keeps buying nokia phones and you'll understand the comments more02:53
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: Would you say scicalc is easier to use than kalgebra?02:53
djszapiit is like making private queries for public questions. That is just ... not the place where to look for answers for the questions. If people refuse using the ovi store collaboration, I do not wonder there are no useful comments.02:54
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DrGrovdjszapi: Why does it matter which way a user finds his/her apps that he/she would try and perhaps even like?02:54
DrGrovieatlint: Would you say most of the comments made on OVI are actually good or bad? Are they relevant for the cause?02:55
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ieatlinti standby my comment, which was neither russian nor broken english02:55
DrGrovieatlint: Ok, I understand. Then perhaps I must evaluate the comments again from another perspective.02:56
DrGrovAnd why would my questions be considered public questions? Does it really matter at all who does the questioning and where he/she does it?02:56
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djszapiDrGrov: if nobody used OVI, what would be the purpose of the collaboration there ?02:59
djszapisecondly, it sounds like a user question, which is #n9 channel.02:59
DrGrovdjszapi: Ok, my questions are perhaps much more like user questions but I like the collaboration going on here03:00
djszapidid anybody get the PathLine work in QML ?03:00
djszapiDrGrov: then please read the topic: Customers help customers on #N903:00
faenildjszapi: haven't tried it yet03:00
DrGrovdjszapi: I am not saying that the collaboration is not good or not working. I am just saying that there is another ways as well to get information03:00
djszapifaenil: I thought it should draw a straight line, but it does not do :/03:00
itsnotabigtruckieatlint: well, since this particular phone has a somewhat different audience and was marketed heavily in finland and australia, i'd expect a bit more finnish and english03:01
djszapiDrGrov: right, please ask on N903:01
DrGrovdjszapi: So, you mean it is unacceptable to ask questions here?03:01
faenildjszapi: well it should, as per docs xD03:01
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: well, he's sort of right, this is supposed to be for dev questions03:01
djszapiDrGrov: what does the topic say ?03:01
itsnotabigtruck#n9 is supposed to be about which apps you like, what case to use, whatever03:01
itsnotabigtruckbut no one frequents #n903:01
DrGrovOk, I head over to #n9 with my questions03:01
itsnotabigtruckthis channel has more than 3 times the number of people as #n903:02
DrGrovdjszapi: You always get this excited about telling someone they might be wrong? :D03:02
djszapiDrGrov: I would not like to discuss such a user thingie here.03:02
DrGrovSorry, correction. That they are wrong. Nevermind, #n9 it is03:02
ieatlintitsnotabigtruck: do you often find your expectations not match with reality?03:03
ieatlintfor instance, do you often find the average person to be well spoken and competent?03:03
itsnotabigtruckieatlint: heh03:03
djszapiDrGrov: and since N9 is silent, I advised OVI.03:03
DrGrovdjszapi: Ok, OVI it is then.03:04
djszapifaenil: yeah, it should, but no idea why it does not work :/03:04
DrGrovieatlint: That is perhaps the sole purpose that I visit here since I can actually find a well spoken and competent person here to answer my questions. Just my x amount of cents.03:05
ieatlintmakes sense to me03:05
ieatlintalthough well spoken is sometimes asking too much03:05
djszapiDrGrov: try to ask kde or qt user questions on #kde-devel or #qt-labs03:06
djszapiyou will not get any different answers than to me over there.03:06
DrGrovdjszapi: Sure, just because you mentioned it I have actually got seriously good help in dev channels in the past for user questions.03:07
faenilI'm freaking happy, pinchtozoom is "almost" working in a decent way03:07
djszapiyou are suggesting to make a harmattan-dev channel for real development questions only ?03:07
djszapibecause I would not like the distraction, but if that is the only way ...03:08
faeniltime to go to bed03:08
faenildjszapi: good luck with the line drawing xD03:08
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djszapifaenil: does not work :p03:08
ieatlinti use it to develop prejudices and seething hatred03:08
DrGrovdjszapi: No I am not suggesting that. You said so. Up to you03:09
faenildjszapi: I'm trying in my project03:10
djszapifaenil: I thought it should have drawn a horizontal line, you know something that you can see in the settings.03:10
djszapia.k.a. the qml way of QSplitter.03:11
ieatlinta pathline is used for pathviews03:11
faenilit doesn't really draw03:12
ieatlintto make the equiv of qsplitter, use a rectangle with a small height03:12
faenilit's an abstract drawing I guess03:12
faenilthat's what the docs mean I think03:12
faenilyou create an abstract line :D03:12
djszapithen it clearly sucks for this purpose.03:12
faenilgood night ;)03:12
* djszapi wonders whether qml2 has at least qt4 gui coverage03:13
ieatlintif you mean components... no03:13
djszapinot components, no.03:13
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djszapiafaik there are no components out there on top of qml203:14
ieatlintqml2 still really is just "omg scene graphs"03:15
djszapibut anyway, qml is still a sort of regression after qt4 gui wrt some fundamental ui elements.03:15
djszapiincluding components.03:15
ieatlintit does offer huge performance boosts, but only because qtquick1 renders everything to a pixmap to paint03:15
djszapiI know what it does really :)03:16
djszapiworked with both ;-)03:16
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djszapiWasn't there a led indicator for numbers previously in qml ?03:19
djszapiI do not find such a thing anymore.03:19
djszapiit was this 7 segment display stuff.03:19
ieatlintthere was a qt widget for that as i recall, but not seen a qml component that did it03:20
djszapiI was even wondering in qml why the hell they put that in, but I would apparently need that right now.03:20
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djszapimmm, I do not find it in qt4 gui either.03:27
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ieatlintis there anyone familiar with the list of audio input devices on the n9/50 who can tell me which one will give me the most raw audio input from the headphone jack07:29
ieatlinti see a source.hw0 and source.hw1.. am guessing one of them07:29
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SpeedEvilaren't those fake hardware from pulse?07:37
ieatlintif you ask for a list of input devices, it gives you 1307:38
ieatlintand uh, i've confirmed source.hw0 and source.hw1 were not what i wanted (as memory serves, source.hw0 is what i used on the n900 for this)07:38
DocScrutinizerPA and policies been fsckdup by design since somebody sketched the idea to a toiletpapaer07:42
ieatlinti'm with you on that :(07:43
DocScrutinizerplus in HARM the whole crap is aegis-protected as javispedro found out07:43
ieatlinton the n900, i actually had abandon qaudioinput and use the c PA calls to get the data07:43
ieatlintwas hoping that wouldn't be the base here07:43
ieatlintbleh, case07:44
DocScrutinizerdase ;-)07:44
DocScrutinizerease \o/07:44
djszapiHi, could someone test my package for installation ?07:48
itsnotabigtruckhas anyone figured out exactly how the region lockout on joikuspot is implemented07:48
itsnotabigtruckit looks like /something/ checks whether you're in the US and turns adhoc networking off through sysfs07:49
ieatlintthat is what happens, but i've no clue what does it07:50
itsnotabigtruckthere's an upstart script that turns it back on, but it doesn't seem to be a 100% elegant or effective solution07:50
itsnotabigtruckseems like it would be better to kill it at the source, if possible07:50
itsnotabigtruckieatlint: yeah :(07:51
itsnotabigtruckwell, at least supposedly it was to meet fcc radiation limits, not as a result of carrier lobbying07:51
ieatlintsomehow that sounds bs07:52
ieatlintit wasn't carrier lobbying though.. no carrier took the phone07:52
itsnotabigtruckieatlint: true but that didn't stop them from blocking credit card payments on ovi store too :p07:52
itsnotabigtruckbut that's on all phones with ovi store, not on n9 in particular07:53
djszapiieatlint: thanks for the qlcdnumber url.07:53
ieatlintdjszapi: sure... i imagine creating a qml element wouldn't be too hard for it either07:53
itsnotabigtruckwhen are these companies going to learn that limiting the ways people can give you money is never a good idea07:53
ieatlintwait, you can't use a cc on the ovi store in the US?07:54
ieatlinti've never tried...07:54
itsnotabigtruckieatlint: on at&t, specifically07:54
itsnotabigtruckno idea about t-mobile us07:54
itsnotabigtruckif you put a credit card on your ovi account and try to pay with it, it's greyed out07:55
itsnotabigtruckonly "operator billing" is offered, which isn't desirable because i'm not paying that bill07:55
* ieatlint shrugs07:55
ieatlinti've never tried07:55
ieatlintand i'd just do operator billing, heh07:56
DocScrutinizerfsckdup policies all over the place08:00
DocScrutinizerantivendor port is it for Nokia08:00
Sazpaimon_so, "off the record", how much are N950s going for right now08:01
Sazpaimon_im thinking somehwere in the low 1000 range08:01
DocScrutinizerI actually can't recall a previous instance where community been so thoroughly bent over by a company08:01
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Sazpaimon_[00:54] <itsnotabigtruck> no idea about t-mobile us08:02
Sazpaimon_on tmobile US carrier billing isnt available for me08:02
DocScrutinizerand even worse: the community says "thank you Nokia, ohWHY don't you continue to sell new devices with that assrape OS?"08:03
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Sazpaimon_yeah when I try to select carrier billing it says "phone billing service is temporarily unavailable"08:04
Sazpaimon_something about access point settings08:05
DocScrutinizer"go for meego, we'll do it right from beginning this time, no more closed blobs" anybody??08:05
Sazpaimon_no closed blobs is a pipe dream for many people08:05
Sazpaimon_especially with driver support08:05
Sazpaimon_nokia did push a lot of companies to open source their drivers though08:06
Sazpaimon_you have to give them that08:06
DocScrutinizerbend over, dude08:06
Sazpaimon_im not supporting nokia as a whole08:06
Sazpaimon_a lot of their practices are shady and disrespectful08:06
DocScrutinizermaemo community worked for a FOSS OS for YEARS, and now we got... HARM!08:07
DocScrutinizeryou definitely won't hear me say thank you Nokia for ANYTHING related to this08:07
djszapijust like in every company, really :)08:08
Sazpaimon_but he's right though08:08
Sazpaimon_maemo was supposed to be different08:08
Sazpaimon_it was supposed to be open08:08
Sazpaimon_it was supposed to be community driven08:08
djszapiI do not think so.08:08
djszapiotherwise there would have not been a maemo reconstructed back then to build a community based open stuff.08:09
ieatlintblah, ok, source.hw0 is what i want :)08:09
Sazpaimon_with diablo and, to a lesser extent, fremantle, the level of collaboration between the maemo comminity directly with nokia was unseen in the industry before08:09
ieatlintit was just fucking up my shit because the first few ms of audio from it are bad08:09
Sazpaimon_and no, maemo wasnt ever going to be fully, 100% open unfortunately08:11
Sazpaimon_nokia likes to have some things to call their own08:11
Sazpaimon_as does any company, I suppose08:11
djszapiyes, exactly.08:11
Sazpaimon_but they were somewhat liberal when it came to open sourcing some closed components08:11
djszapieven meego was not fully open.08:12
Sazpaimon_with the exception of the phone stack I suppose08:12
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djszapiwe open sourced many components in Harmattan though.08:12
djszapiHad to open such requests quite a few times.08:12
itsnotabigtruckis wl1271-cal open source?08:13
Sazpaimon_yeah thankfully that policy hasn't changed a whole lot08:13
itsnotabigtrucklooks like the answer is no08:15
DocScrutinizerSazpaimon_: basically the elementary bits of what you got on phone stack in APE land were (and are) open08:15
djszapiSazpaimon_: also, the important difference between maemo alternatives....we had to stop things one year, if you recall. That was not the case for Fremantle which makes the whole story a lot distinct.08:16
DocScrutinizerISI specs are available08:16
DocScrutinizeron maemo it's always been like "the apps are ours, the system is FOSS" with a few debatable cases of e.g. ICD which you could argue is system and no need to keep it closed08:18
ieatlintso yes, if anyone is ever getting garbage on an audio read due, don't use the default source.record, use source.hw0 device08:18
DocScrutinizeron HARM you got all this aegis philosophy which basically means "the device is yours, but we controll each and every aspect of the system"08:19
djszapiieatlint: even the highest level qt mobility stuff does not work08:19
djszapinone of them, actually.08:19
DocScrutinizerall other aspects of HARM are just following this general policy08:19
Sazpaimon_i thought aegis was originally proposed as a way to stop piracy or something08:19
Sazpaimon_yet i dont see how08:19
DocScrutinizerthat's what some fools still try to make you believe08:20
Sazpaimon_you can capture the debs in the store08:20
Sazpaimon_and then upload it08:20
djszapiahh the same flamework starting topic again, getting annoyin' :)08:20
ieatlintdjszapi: i'm aware, but this specifically isn't a qtmobility problem08:20
ieatlintdjszapi: this is an issue where audio filters are use on audio input because it works better for voice08:20
djszapiieatlint: I did not intend to say that. Was just adding an information to the whole audio stack situation.08:20
ieatlintand these filters fuck me08:20
Sazpaimon_yeah im of the opinion that aegis solves a problem that wasnt really there08:21
ieatlintwell, it uses PA, of course the audio stack is fucked :P08:21
Sazpaimon_i dont know of anyone pirating apps on maemo08:21
Sazpaimon_though i never really looked08:21
Sazpaimon_because i dont know of many people SELLING apps on maemo08:21
djszapiSazpaimon_: there are.08:21
ieatlintthere was a mapping app i know that got pirated by people08:21
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Sazpaimon_i stopped looking for binpda apps when i stopped using symbian08:22
DocScrutinizeraegis been designed as the gun to shoot down FOSS community, and it serves quite good for that purpose08:22
Sazpaimon_because symbian developers think its okay to charge $50 for programs08:22
djszapiand many not conciously malicious stuff.08:22
itsnotabigtruckheh, it's not just the US that joikuspot is verboten in08:22
itsnotabigtruckthere's a rather lengthy list08:22
ieatlintSazpaimon_: i actually think wp7 is the worst platform for the "pay for it" mentality08:22
Sazpaimon_maybe not $50, but symbian commercial apps are far too expensive08:22
djszapiand this is "I do not see malicious apps, but 2 seconds to do, so do not bother with defending" is windows policy'ish.08:22
Sazpaimon_especially the "enterprise" apps08:22
Sazpaimon_like tsmobiles/rdmplus08:23
Sazpaimon_$40 for a mobile program08:23
Sazpaimon_and fo08:23
djszapibecause malicious apps are born after realizing the holes !08:23
Sazpaimon_and the version they advertise for symbian is written in java08:23
djszapithey are not born before creating a security framework.08:23
djszapiand that is a huge difference.08:24
Sazpaimon_it doesnt do more than 256 colors, has terrible lag, oh my god was it bad08:24
Sazpaimon_and they expected people to pay $40 for it08:24
itsnotabigtrucknever mind, the list isn't lengthy at all08:25
DocScrutinizerwhat the F..., I got route66 on winmoob6, it's also written in Java, it costs more than gold, and of course it's dongled to the IMEI and DOES NOT NEED friggin aegis for anti-piracy08:25
itsnotabigtruckUS (United States), GU (Guam)08:25
itsnotabigtrucki wasn't aware guam even had its own iso alpha-2 code08:25
djszapiSazpaimon_: for chilling out: could you please try to install my debian package ?08:25
djszapijust for testing.08:25
Sazpaimon_djszapi, does it need open kernel?08:26
itsnotabigtruckhowever, there's another list of countries where something else is verboten08:26
Sazpaimon_what is it, by chance08:26
jonniaegis is not meant for anti piracy, mostly for binary integrity :)08:26
DocScrutinizerbut on HARM, thanks to aegis BS you can't even *develop* FOSS alternatives to yoghurt sport that suck less and maybe work in USA08:26
djszapijonni: that is not a correct statement, if you have ever read the first few lines of our mission statement.08:27
djszapi(which is generally the beginning of the documentation)08:27
jonniwell after drm was dropped, the use case changed :)08:28
DocScrutinizerover at #maemo yesterday a brave dude announced he's going to try and port maemo to moto now, thanks to Nokia not selling any more decent devices with hw kbd and a *real* OS08:28
djszapiSazpaimon_: just my self-contained application, but my phone is not clean enough for testing. Wondering whether there are some missing imported dynamic libraries, still.08:28
Sazpaimon_djszapi, I can give it a try i suppose08:29
djszapisadly, the drm was dropped.08:29
djszapibut the mission was drm-agnostic anyway08:29
DocScrutinizerhe said MAEMO not meego HARM - guess why!08:29
djszapithe drm was just an implementation detail.08:29
Sazpaimon_DocScrutinizer, i'd like to see how he would behin to do that, though08:29
DocScrutinizerhere's the problem?08:30
DocScrutinizerstskeeps ported maemo to pandaboard or sth08:30
Sazpaimon_is he going to keep the same old stack though?08:31
Sazpaimon_old-ass gcc08:31
Sazpaimon_old-ass kernel08:31
Sazpaimon_old-ass everything08:31
DocScrutinizeryou'll need some driver ports, you'll need to rip off some blobs that might still be compatible08:31
DocScrutinizerSazpaimon_: go with your shiny new clothes ;-D08:31
Sazpaimon_DocScrutinizer, stskeeps had the source for most of the closed blobs iirc08:32
djszapiSazpaimon_: and please try to run this after the installation: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/kanagram/lib /usr/bin/invoker --type=e -s /opt/kanagram/bin/kanagram-harmattan08:32
DocScrutinizerSazpaimon_: I've seen more anti-vendor ports than you it seems, and I guess I can estimate the feasibility08:32
DocScrutinizerit's not just a walk in the park, but it will definitely be possible to get something working08:33
Sazpaimon_i would really rather see a concious effort to do *something* about the old core libraries on maemo 508:33
Sazpaimon_but i dont see that as feasable08:34
DocScrutinizerand I give a flying F about version number of gcc08:34
djszapiit should report if I still miss some planned libraries for importing in /usr/kanagram/lib/08:34
Sazpaimon_DocScrutinizer, well, maemo 5 gcc cannot compile any c++0x application08:34
Sazpaimon_since gcc 4.2 does not support it08:34
DocScrutinizerso what?08:34
DocScrutinizerI don't even know wtf that is08:35
Sazpaimon_its the latest c++ standard adopted in 201008:35
* DocScrutinizer farts08:35
djszapithat is a very important thing today, though.08:35
meceDocScrutinizer, is there a discussion thread regarding this port somewhere?08:35
DocScrutinizermece: not afaik08:35
Sazpaimon_in fact i dont even think php can compile well on gcc 4.208:35
Sazpaimon_i tried it once, it failed miserably08:35
djszapiwhy not port mer in the first place if community and openness are the main points ?08:36
DocScrutinizerwho cares?08:36
DocScrutinizerI see all those great apps written in php, on N908:36
mecedjszapi, what's what I was thinking.08:36
Sazpaimon_im not talking about the N908:36
mecemer/nemo/cordia etc.08:37
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Sazpaimon_im talking about putting maemo 5 in this decate08:37
itsnotabigtruckCA, CO, DO, GD, GT, GU, MX, PA, PR, TW, US, UZ, 00 < what do these countries have in common08:37
meceare those countries?08:37
DocScrutinizerSazpaimon_: if you want to do that, go ahead. If you don't, stop ranting08:37
Sazpaimon_LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/kanagram/lib /usr/bin/invoker --type=e -s /opt/kanagram/bin/kanagram-harmattan08:37
itsnotabigtruckmece: yeah08:38
Sazpaimon_/opt/kanagram/bin/kanagram-harmattan: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file08:38
Sazpaimon_DocScrutinizer, I actually have a scratchbox toolchain with gcc 4.4 compiled for maemo 5's softfp and other optimizations08:38
Sazpaimon_I built lightspark with it08:38
meceitsnotabigtruck, uh. I don't know what half of them are..08:38
itsnotabigtruckthat's canada, colombia, dominican republic, grenada, guatemala, mexico, panama, puerto rico, taiwan, united states, uzbekistan, (unknown)08:39
Sazpaimon_I could, theoretically, rebuild every open-source program for that new ABI08:39
admiral0good mornining08:39
itsnotabigtruckso the obvious thing those have in common is that almost all are in the western hemisphere08:39
DocScrutinizerooh I see, now you're afraid this guy will succeed in porting maemo to moto hw, and everybody but you will abandon ship08:39
Sazpaimon_then mess with ld paths for programs i cannot recompile08:39
itsnotabigtruckbut then you have uzbekistan and taiwan08:39
infobotadmiral0 meant: good morning08:39
Sazpaimon_/opt/kanagram/bin/kanagram-harmattan: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file08:40
meceitsnotabigtruck, they all have better weather than Finland08:40
djszapimece: good thinking :P08:41
djszapiSazpaimon_: thanks, will fix in no time, and send thenew package.08:41
itsnotabigtruckmece: lol08:41
Sazpaimon_djszapi, i could just install libdbusmenu-qt2 from debian08:41
djszapiSazpaimon_: that is not the point of a self-contained package in OVI.08:41
Sazpaimon_oh yes08:41
Sazpaimon_I think, more than anything, what I want in maemo 5 is hardfp08:42
Sazpaimon_especially now that all ARM is in that direction08:42
mecedjszapi, I think, if you count whole countries (as opposed to autonomous regions), and the "best weather spot" in that country, then all other countries have better weather than Finland :)08:42
itsnotabigtruckanyway, so the logic is that wl1271-cal (which controls wifi regulatory settings) checks the current country from the cellular services daemon08:42
itsnotabigtruckand for US/GU it shuts off adhoc, and that means no hotspot for you!08:43
itsnotabigtruckand for that long list of countries i mentioned above there's some other logic that i can't figure out08:43
mecehm perhaps iceland,.08:43
Sazpaimon_it baffles me that the program even shows in those countries08:44
djszapimece: I was referring to the mer/nemo thingie.,08:44
Sazpaimon_i guess dynamically removing an icon would have been too much work for a country that it wasnt being shipped to08:44
DocScrutinizerSazpaimon_: (hardfp) uhuh, so what you hope to gain with that?08:45
Sazpaimon_better compatability with debian binaries in the future08:45
Sazpaimon_since theyre moving to hardfp08:46
DocScrutinizeras it'S just the register vs stack format you pass the vars to lib, while even softfp is using math coproc if available08:46
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer: but you lose a *lot* of performance shifting stuff in and out of vfp08:46
itsnotabigtrucker, i guess the n9 has vfp-lite or something08:46
Sazpaimon_its simply a personal choice for me, bit i see a performance benefit08:46
DocScrutinizerand since it's a compiler option anyway, I fail to see the "OMG it's hardfp now" hype08:47
itsnotabigtruck DocScrutinizer: any ideas for how wl1271-cal could be made not to be able to talk to dbus?08:47
Sazpaimon_of course debian went and gave a different name for their hardfp port (armhf)08:47
Sazpaimon_meaning that you need to --force-architecture all packages to maemo08:48
Sazpaimon_which still uses armel, even on harmattan, which is hardfp08:48
DocScrutinizeritsnotabigtruck: any hard numbers on performance boost? freemangodon and I ran some tests which didn't show *any* difference08:48
DocScrutinizeritsnotabigtruck: no idea about that cal crap08:49
Sazpaimon_also, re: porting maemo 5 to another device08:49
Sazpaimon_I would throw money at it if a POC could be done08:49
Sazpaimon_like, on an actual current device08:50
Sazpaimon_not a beagleboard or something08:50
djszapiSazpaimon_: could you please install from the same link and run again ?08:50
DocScrutinizer[2012-01-29 21:01:50] <Ikarus> I plan on giving it a shot this summer, porting Maemo (actual Maemo, Harmattan, etc are MEH to me) to another phone out of desperation, my N900 died, they can't get me a replacement and used ones are also pretty EOL.... and erm, tried other phones the last few months and the combination of Maemo + landscape hardware keyboard is hard to beat (sorry N9)08:51
Sazpaimon_DocScrutinizer, yeah I have a backlog too :P08:51
Sazpaimon_if I see him again i'll be sure to relay the same message to him08:52
Sazpaimon_show me the proof of concept, and I'll ask where do i throw my money at08:52
Sazpaimon_because i think such determination should be rewarded08:52
DocScrutinizertake your money and eat it, I'm not interested in convincing you of anything08:52
DocScrutinizeryou're free to join or stay away08:53
DocScrutinizerwe don't care08:53
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer: well, you'd only get a difference if you do loads of function calls with floating point arguments08:53
itsnotabigtruckthat then do math with those fp arguments08:53
itsnotabigtruckand those function calls aren't inlined08:53
Sazpaimon_/opt/kanagram/bin/kanagram-harmattan: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or d08:53
itsnotabigtruckso big performance boost on math heavy things, like certain game code maybe08:53
itsnotabigtruckfor general code, yeah, not so much08:54
Sazpaimon_djszapi, harmattan has libstreams0 it seems08:54
Sazpaimon_should I go for it08:54
itsnotabigtruckneutering the calibration daemon would be easy if it weren't for aegis08:56
Sazpaimon_actually libstreams0 is in rzr08:56
Sazpaimon_so nevermind08:56
djszapino, you should not08:56
djszapino no, please do not install stuff08:56
itsnotabigtrucki guess that's what they were talking about in that powerpoint about using aegis to force RF regulatory compliance :p08:56
djszapiit should work with stock kernel08:56
djszapiand flash08:56
Sazpaimon_yeah i figured08:56
djszapiand strigi is not any close to stock mode08:56
jonnijust use open kernel if aegis bothers that much08:56
itsnotabigtruckjonni: i'm holding off 'til 1.2 comes out to minimize the pita of the switch08:56
jonnias you get 99% functionalty and aegis is not limiting you afterwards08:57
Sazpaimon_so basically, the answer to aegis is08:57
* Sazpaimon_ puts on sunglasses08:57
jonniah yes, might be wise to wait08:57
Sazpaimon_deal with it08:57
itsnotabigtruckalso there'll probably be some kinks worked out by then, and i'd like to haxxor the kernel beyond just neutering aegis08:57
DocScrutinizerjonni: it's not the open kernel vs aegis that bothers, it's the fact that the whole system got fsckd up to comply with aegis, and you had to revert all that crap to get a sane system even on openmode08:57
jonniactually I would still use aegis even on openmode08:58
itsnotabigtruckspeaking of that...any idea if the n9's wlan chip can do packet injection08:58
itsnotabigtruckand monitoring08:58
jonniopenmode just gives me the option to install anything as into the aegis08:58
Sazpaimon_itsnotabigtruck, no08:58
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Sazpaimon_the firmware for it doesnt support injection08:58
Sazpaimon_it supports AP mode though, isntead of just adhoc08:58
itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon_: :( there goes that idea08:58
Sazpaimon_not sure why joikuspot does adhoc though08:58
jonniDocScrutinizer: so in reality you dont have to revert anything on openmode08:59
DocScrutinizerbeause yoghurt sport been invented by morons for sybian, and just been ported to other platforms then, regardless of whether the approach matches the new OS or not08:59
jonni(ohwell not exactly true, since in openmode you dont have write access to cal)09:00
Sazpaimon_itsnotabigtruck, maybe some day the firmware can do it09:00
djszapiSazpaimon_: re-try :)09:00
Sazpaimon_itsnotabigtruck, just to be sure, whats the chip in the N9 again?09:01
Sazpaimon_maybe some patches have come forth, but i dont think so09:02
itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon_: i'd guess it's a wl1271? :p09:02
itsnotabigtruck probably that09:02
DocScrutinizer51 on one, 53 on the other09:03
DocScrutinizererr 71, 7309:03
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itsnotabigtruck as for the allow_adhoc thing, the options are a) find some way to get CSD to misreport the country, b) make it so that wl1271-cal can't talk to dbus, c) make it so that wl1271-cal can't write to allow_adhoc, d) patch the kernel to ignore allow_adhoc, e) patch wl1271-cal to not write to allow_adhoc, f) perfect ninja-resetting allow_adhoc after wl1271-cal gets to it09:05
itsnotabigtruck but d and e are definitely not aegis friendly09:06
Sazpaimon_djszapi, its working now09:09
Sazpaimon_saw some messages like09:09
Sazpaimon_RemoteThemeDaemonClient: Failed to connect to theme server (that's OK if you're on a PC)09:09
Sazpaimon_but otherwise ok09:09
djszapiSazpaimon_: do you have sound if you click on next ?09:10
djszapiokay, so SoundEffect does not work for you either.09:10
Sazpaimon_i assume next is the third icon09:10
djszapi(you are not the only one)09:10
djszapiSazpaimon_: how did you launch the application, as root or as user ? Does it work from the applauncher screen?09:11
Sazpaimon_root user09:11
Sazpaimon_launches from the applauncher fine09:11
Sazpaimon_still no sound09:12
Sazpaimon_its also quite pointless in portrait mode09:12
djszapicould you please try "user" or "developer" from command line ?09:12
Sazpaimon_most of the words are too wide09:12
djszapiyes, it will be orientation locked later.09:12
Sazpaimon_still no sound09:12
djszapiyou are also the victim of the creepy audio stack on Harmattan :P09:13
Sazpaimon_also your hint for blueberries is terrible09:13
Sazpaimon_"sweet edible dark-blue berries"09:13
Sazpaimon_gee i wonder09:13
djszapiSazpaimon_: the database is not mine, but common in KDE Edu.09:14
Sazpaimon_yeah i figured09:14
djszapifeel free to patch the database, and send the proposal to the mailing list. :)09:14
djszapiI just cook with the existing ingradients.09:14
Sazpaimon_do you want a pastebin of the stderr/out?09:15
djszapiyou can give, but I guess nothing special ?09:15
Sazpaimon_there's an x error09:15
djszapiSazpaimon_: here is the url to the data:
Sazpaimon_there's also09:16
Sazpaimon_qrc:/MainSettingsPage.qml:140:17: QML Switch: Binding loop detected for property "checked"09:16
djszapiI have no clue what that X error means.09:16
Sazpaimon_when i touch settings09:16
djszapiyes, but I do not understand why.09:17
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Sazpaimon_this game is hard09:17
djszapi -> it does have loop, but not in a bad mood imo.09:17
Sazpaimon_i hate anagrams09:17
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djszapiha ha :D09:18
djszapiI will be doing a khangman for Harmattan, too :D09:18
djszapishould be fairly simple after this kanagram port.09:18
Sazpaimon_why do kde devs fel possesed to prefix everything with k09:18
djszapithey do not09:19
Sazpaimon_same with qml devs calling their programs "cute___"09:19
wmarone_same reason so many gtk/gnome apps start with "g"09:19
djszapiSazpaimon_: you live in the past :P09:19
djszapithing is that it was nice back then, but nobody chooses such names since kde4 anyway09:19
Sazpaimon_djszapi, maybe, I havent used kde since 200609:19
djszapipeople prefer abbreviations nowadays09:20
djszapiSazpaimon_: so do you see anything wrong with that loop, by the way ? The property is exposed from C++ with Q_PROPERTY.09:20
djszapiI do consider that as a valid loop logic, and not mistake.09:20
Sazpaimon_I dont know much about qml, to be perfectly honest09:21
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Sazpaimon_i suppose it seems, okay09:21
Sazpaimon_but i can see where a loop may be considered09:21
djszapiSazpaimon_: anyway, the heftiest bit is the audio. You are the zillionth victim it is not working for. :/09:22
Sazpaimon_i doubt an strace will help09:22
Sazpaimon_will it09:22
djszapiSazpaimon_: SoundEffect does not even try to play anything for play.09:23
djszapiI have never really used strace too much myself. I am not criticizing the tool, but I do not find it useful for my purposes.09:23
djszapiand I do not even know how to read it properly, but if you are an expert you can take a look at it.09:24
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Sazpaimon_i cant find anything that stands out09:26
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djszapiI should kick the mobility guys in the ass :P It has been a known issue for 1-2 years, and they did nothing in this regard :/09:27
djszapion the other hand, they theoritically support wav for soundeffect which is well ... uncool =)09:28
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Sazpaimon_anyway djszapi, I need to sleep, so if you can't find another guinea pig let me know tomorrow09:33
djszapiN95010x for your help and sleep well :)09:36
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* itsnotabigtruck found the elegant solution to the joikuspot lockout09:46
itsnotabigtruckbut i have to get up at 7am or so, and it's 2am :(09:46
itsnotabigtrucki bet that little ovi store billing problem could be fixed similarly, though i'm not sure if i feel like giving nokia any money through their store anymore :p09:51
djszapiN950so have plenty of time for hacking :)09:52
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Milhouseanyone else getting "Rate limit exceeded" messages in their PR1.2beta syslog?10:14
MilhouseThese are twitter messages exceeded the hourly limit10:15
infobotMilhouse meant: These are twitter requests exceeded the hourly limit10:16
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MohammadAGStill on beta2, not sure if open mode's worth it if no one has it anymore10:35
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djszapiN950jonni could you please try my skeleton soundeffecttest package to me, please ?10:52
jonnisure, url?10:52
djszapiN950I have just created one on the metro10:52
djszapiN950i am in the office in 5 mins, still in the subway :)10:53
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djszapisome a file sharing site url by off hand ?10:59
phakono upload11:04
jonnido you have sources somewhere?11:09
djszapiso it does not play for you either ?11:09
jonnithat example seems to be quit, thats why I aske te sourcs :)11:10
jonniquiet even11:10
djszapiWelcome to the club, jonni ;-)11:11
jonnilets see if I can find the reason or give working example :)11:11
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djszapifeel free to experiment with my skeleton stuff11:11
djszapiit is cmake based, but you do not need to touch the build system for modifying the qml.11:11
djszapiwith changing to Audio -> it crashes.11:15
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djszapijonni: crash for you as well if you replace the SoundEffect component with Audio.11:36
djszapijonni: also, could you please give an url to a wav which worked for you ?11:37
djszapiI can try here..11:37
jonnijust tested and it works if I replace the chalk.wav with my own wav11:40
djszapiright, I think it is worth opening an internal bugreport11:41
djszapiI created the wav file out of the existing ogg (shame, I know, it does not support ogg yet) by using ffmpeg.11:41
djszapiso we would need to figure out how to convert my ogg files into wav to get it work ...11:44
djszapiI am currently unsure for which thingie it is that "picky".11:45
djszapiis there an executable for reading out of the metadata of the file, like bitrate and so on ?11:45
djszapiwe could check out the working one, and make the conversion accordingly.11:46
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djszapiphako: thanks for the file sharing link, btw :)11:51
phakodjszapi: welcome11:51
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djszapijonni: sent the link on the internal irc11:57
jonnidjszapi: btw Audio element is able to play mp3 and off, but there is one catch :)12:01
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djszapiyes, of course it is able, whereas that is behind the point.12:02
jonnidjszapi: Audio element is a wrapper around QSound, but QSound does not support qrc, if you put your audio outside qrc it works12:02
djszapijonni: not really12:03
djszapiAudio is a high level interface for QMediaPlayer12:03
djszapiand fwiw, QSound is gone in qt512:03
jonniatleast I just tested mp3 Audio element on N9 it worked just fine.12:04
djszapiI tested the ogg12:04
djszapibut I am unsure how much that helps for the debugging the real issue.12:04
alteregoLight { states: {name:'on';when:environment.dark} }12:06
djszapijonni: heh your wav file does not work either.12:06
djszapi(it makes me crash :P)12:06
jonnijust tested with ogg too, and it works12:06
djszapijonni: try this one out:
djszapinicely crashes here.12:07
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jonnisame source works for me12:11
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djszapiabort "crash":
jonnidjszapi: heh actually now even chalk.wav works, my default audio level was just so low that I didnt hear it first12:17
jonniwhen I increased the volume it works just fine12:17
djszapijonni: does not still work for me.12:19
jonnimaybe its then sb vs qt sdk rootstrap issue? or do you have pr1.0 sb?12:19
djszapihow could it be sb issue, if you installed my debian package and worked ?12:19
djszapithe debian format does not have a qualifier whether it was b uilt in sb, or wherever.12:20
jonniI installed my own debian package that I did with qt sdk12:20
jonnionly copied your qml lines into it12:20
djszapiuse my first link for the debian package pls.12:20
djszapiif you now have enough volume, it should work with that, too.12:21
djszapisb issue :D :D haha would be fun.12:21
jonniwith your debian package its still quiet12:21
djszapiyou modified something then.12:21
djszapior I have an outdated stuff12:21
djszapino, as I said quite a few times, I do not use more targets, just one bleeding edge in scratchbox really :)12:22
djszapiand my original debian package works fine with the down count wav file.12:22
djszapilet us see what "fakeroot apt-get upgrade" holds for us. :)12:23
djszapiheh, it got stuck at the ruby installation.12:26
jonnianyways seems that wav file is playing so that bug can be closed. you just have to figure out why its not working for your env.12:27
jonnioh, let me check something still12:27
jonnimy crosseyes :)12:28
djszapino, the bug is quite valid.12:28
djszapieven the debian file is attached.12:28
djszapiand  you actually even confimred the behavior with that file...12:28
jonniI had test application  with Audio-element  mp3/ogg/ and chalk.wav  was working fine with started with .play(), with SoundEffect, chalk is not working.12:30
jonniso looks like that SoundEffect is more picky about the format and bitrates12:31
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djszapicall it buggy :D12:31
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djszapiright, even the most up-to-date stuff is broken.12:33
djszapiI will attach pulseaudio logs later.12:34
MilhouseDoes anyone know of a way to change the point at which "out of space" warnings are generated? My filesystem is at 92% but I have no intention of increasing this, so would like to set the limit at 93%... maybe a gconf?12:34
Milhouseby "increasing" i mean adding much more to it12:34
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djszapijonni: do you have any ideas how to convert the ogg files into "correct" wav files then ?12:42
djszapijonni: try this: I get no sound at all for this:
djszapijonni: I added a lot of information to the bugreport. Feel free to expand that with your experience as well.12:50
* RST38h yawns, prays to the Tentacled One, cackles12:54
djszapijonni: also have you tried qt5 on Harmattan ?12:57
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faenilhey guys13:20
faenilis there any way to force a full repaint of a qml scene?13:20
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djszapijonni: I made the rules file of the skeleton package kde-free: #!/usr/bin/make -f13:24
djszapi%: dh $@13:24
faenilhow can I repaint a qml element?13:29
phakodjszapi: I'd add a load of ignore overrides for all the weird targets debian has13:30
djszapiphako: make: *** No rule to make target `clean'.  Stop. -> someone is getting this, but not me. Weird enough.13:31
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phakodjszapi: hm, but that's not related to the rules file?13:32
djszapiphako: your link does not help me.13:32
djszapiit is a skeleton app for testing, will never be in production.13:32
djszapiso I would not bother with overcomplicating a skeleton test case for a bug13:32
phakodjszapi: yes, I know. But still that 20 useless targets can get quite annoying if you do that often13:33
djszapiabout the clean thingie... no clue, I always use the kde helper script which does everything for me.13:33
phakojust a sugestion13:33
djszapiI understand, but it is no use for a skeleton test package.13:33
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admiral0maaan, N9 QuickTweak fucks up css for low power screen14:28
Tuju's the latest firmware for n9?14:29
Tujumy device says Meego 1.2 Harmattan, PR1.1 (20.2011.40-4_pr_001)14:31
dm8tbryes, that's the latest. pr1.2 is not out yet14:31
Tujuack, thanks.14:32
* ArkanoiD_ wonders if there will be another pr1.2 beta for n95014:36
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jreznikanybody tried N9 on RDA? how to swipe there? looks like even clicks do not work sometimes...14:52
jreznikRemote Device Access14:52
jreznikmy app has been refused by QA as non working one but I can't reproduce on any of my Harmattan devices, neither my friend...14:53
jreznikand the report from QA is useles :)14:53
djszapijreznik: hehe :)14:54
jreznikdjszapi: that's life :)14:54
jreznikis it really so difficult to attach app output? something like "actual result: screen after splash is white", "expected result: screen shouldn't be black but be functional application" does not help at all :) asked for more detailed info14:56
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jonnijreznik: I have one PR1.0 device here if you have deb package to be tested15:04
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jreznikjonni: would be great, maybe it's really 1.0 problem... it was tested on 10.2011.34-1, so PR 1.0 on N915:09
jreznikjonni: simple app, just schedule and some info about rh dev conf :) btw. everyone invited!15:09
jonniyep, ovi qa always tests with pr1.0, thats the same as I have15:10
jreznikand no PR 1.0 even on RDA...15:10
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jonniusually error comes when some pr1.1 api is used which is not present in pr1.015:13
jreznikyeah, I bet that's the problem, fits description15:13
jonnijust downgraded pr1.1 to pr1.0, takes minute or so before I have developer mode installed again15:14
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jreznikah maybe I know, probably extras 1.115:18
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jonniDetailPage.qml:3:1: module "" version 1.1 is not installed15:21
jonniyou should use 1.015:21
jreznikjonni: thanks! I15:22
jonnithen I edited 1.1 -> 1.0 by hand, then application started just fine15:23
jreznikyep, I've found that only 1.0 is available for PR 1.0 or there's possibility to state, that your app needs 1.115:24
jreznikbut 1.0 is just fine15:24
matrixx <-- blanco graphics with cc license, old news already?15:34
matrixxCC BY-ND 3.0 though, but good enough if modifications are not needed15:35
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Jareweird, the average idle current consumption of my n9 has gone up by 3-4x without a good reason :l16:06
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jonnijust use top and see what eats cpu16:08
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Jarenah, i already did try to get conclusive results using top during the weekend16:17
_MeeGoBot_Bug 31 nor, Normal, ---, juhani.makela, ASSI, [cloned] In Open mode, Settings -> Security -> Certificates shows empty list (371 votes)16:17
itsnotabigtruckhas nokia shown any sign of making good on their 'promise' of putting in some sort of quasi-official open mode16:18
Jarethe issue might be meegotouchhome though16:18
itsnotabigtrucki.e. more official than the current hack, anyway16:18
djszapiitsnotabigtruck: no16:18
djszapiI was shut down16:18
djszapiso was my colleague16:19
itsnotabigtruck also "by design" forget that :/16:19
_MeeGoBot_Bug 248 nor, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, REOP, Cannot remove root certificates16:19
_MeeGoBot_Bug 486 maj, Highest, ---, ext-risto.lahti, ASSI, meegotouchhome and high idle consumption16:20
Jareright, rebooting didn't help, but the idle current consumption dropped back to normal readings immediately after moving an icon in the home screen16:31
djszapijonni: weird, also my and your wav files have this stuff: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, Microsoft PCM, 16 bit, mono 44100 Hz16:41
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djszapijonni: I got the sound work with my wav file !!16:49
djszapi\o/ :)16:49
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uiff_also I want to start my app after install but nothing happens, could someone help please17:47
admiral0uiff_: how do you start it?17:49
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uiff_start apps/callconnected17:49
uiff_that's on my postinst file17:50
admiral0 /sbin/initctl start apps/callconnected17:50
admiral0try that17:50
uiff_thanks, and for the reboot start ? any advice?17:50
admiral0you want to reboot when installing deb?17:51
uiff_no, I mean how to auto start my app17:51
uiff_I have my .conf file in /etc/init/apps17:52
admiral0it will start then if conf is ok17:52
uiff_do you have an example?17:52
uiff_I followd the one on harmattan dev library17:52
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uiff_but not working, maybe I missed something17:52
admiral0hmm wait17:53
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uiff_when I install I get a message apps/callc start/running. process 2707 but when I ask the pid of callc nothing it's shown18:01
djszapi -> Hi guys, do you have any clue for such a compilation errors ?18:01
admiral0djszapi: imo your libxml2 is borked someway18:02
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djszapiadmiral0: so what ?18:03
djszapireinstall did not help, hence asking..18:03
admiral0it probably needs recompile18:03
djszapiha ha18:03
admiral0first answer18:04
djszapicould you please recap the point ?18:05
djszapiand, no, the same libxml2 worked just fine this morning18:05
djszapiuntil the re-creation of the scratchbox target.18:05
admiral0apt-get upgrade the target?18:05
djszapiway behind that.18:06
admiral0or try to clean your build18:06
admiral0it's not build18:06
djszapiit is build18:06
djszapibut every dpkg-rebuildpackage -rf... does that anyway18:06
admiral0no, but meinproc and xmllint are already binaries18:07
djszapiit is a build of my package.18:07
djszapiwhere it fails.18:07
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admiral0just executing xmllint works?18:09
djszapiexecuting /precisely/ what ?18:10
admiral0 /usr/bin/xmllint #nothing else18:10
admiral0djszapi: ?18:11
djszapihave you ever used that ?18:11
djszapibecause it prints out a help message....18:11
admiral0ok, so the linker finds libxml18:12
djszapiI have not said that...18:12
admiral0(yes that was intended ;) )18:12
admiral0i have no further ideas :\18:14
djszapiheh, me neither :d18:14
djszapiapart from hacking out the documentation generation :P18:15
admiral0i've got libxml2 2.7.8-0maemo4+0m6 on sbox if you wanna see if it's different18:17
djszapi -> this is interesting though.18:19
admiral0did you play with repos?18:19
djszapidefine "play", but ... in that sense, yep: I had to add the community for the kde installation.18:19
djszapiand then I removed (update before and after, no worries).18:20
djszapibut I did it many times anyway.18:20
admiral0probably you grabbed some package from there18:20
djszapinot really, no.18:20
djszapijust the kde packages18:20
admiral0that can depend on anything in the repo :P18:21
djszapiyes, I installed the kde stack which is not available from internal repositories, if it was not clear.18:22
admiral0so try to see version of libxml18:23
uiff_admiral0: still doesn't start when reboot and not when I install my app, do I need to do something special in my code to make a daemon? I have no GUI, I just connected a dbus signal18:24
djszapiadmiral0: why ? Any version should work.18:25
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vLassiHi guys! Has anyone used the DocumentGalleryModel qt-mobility thingy?18:55
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ajalkaneuiff_: can you manually start your app using initctl start18:59
ajalkanealso does your automatically started app use GUI?18:59
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abnpm, thanks. forwarded. If I remember correctly right now there are two ways to provision time in automatic mode: using GSM-provided time and GPS-provided time19:06
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MohammadAGRST38h, ping19:10
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MohammadAGRST38h, been having some thoughts about widgets for Harmattan19:12
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npmab: and I imagie this fail is related partially to not having a SIM19:13
abnpm, yes, most likely.19:13
npmif i had an n9 then i'd have a sim that fits :-(19:13
abyou can read timed code on gitorious to see where automatic time management is19:14
npmand the new "SIM not provisioned MM #2" message that pops up (new since PR 1.219:14
npmab: thanks for forwarding to the relevant parties. give developer a hug and tell him his work is appreciated (and that PR 1.2 is awesome!)19:16
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npmthat also goes for any of the PR 1.2 devs on here as well :-)19:17
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npmby the way, so how long to app-devs have to fix their apps before PR 1.2 goes "live" to customers?19:18
npm(fix == correct font size change issues)19:19
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uiff_ajalkane: if I do /sbin/initctl start callc it says unknown job19:24
abnpm, I have no idea what is their timeline19:25
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ZogG_laptopab: haha, you are nokia, i got ya =) have few questions about documentation =P19:28
ZogG_laptopnpm: the funny thing that not all devs have n9950 with pr1.2 to check the apps19:30
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abZogG_laptop, I'm not19:33
ZogG_laptopab =(19:36
ZogG_laptopfrals: ping19:37
SpeedEvilZogG_laptop: What about RDA?19:37
ZogG_laptopSpeedEvil: RDA?19:37
SpeedEvilRemote Device Access19:37
ZogG_laptopSpeedEvil: what about it?19:37
SpeedEvilfor testing19:37
ZogG_laptopi'll just wait for pr1.2 and test it live19:38
ZogG_laptopor actually i can ask people with pr1.2 to test for me actually, good idea19:38
ZogG_laptopwho are willing t check somethign19:38
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MohammadAGI'm surprised Nokia locked down downgrading but apple didn't19:50
itsnotabigtruckit's a shame likely won't ever be fixed :'(19:51
_MeeGoBot_Bug 295 enh, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, ASSI, Missing S/MIME Support in nokia mail client19:51
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ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: sup dude19:59
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ajalkaneuiff_: something wrong in your callc.conf then20:05
djszapiN950jonni ping20:06
djszapiN950does it work for you to change yhe source of the soundeffect before playing ?20:07
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uiff_ajalkane: I needed apps/ before callc.conf, now it's supposed to start it shows apps/callc start/running, prcess 3476 but then if I do pidof callc it shows nothing so I'm not sure if it is running and it just finishes or if it is not running it20:09
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ajalkaneuiff_: that means it stops immediately20:10
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MohammadAGZogG_laptop, nm, you?20:11
uiff_and what do I need to do for keeping it running?20:11
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ajalkaneuiff: if I would have to guess, your application contains some graphics code20:12
ajalkaneOr is it pure daemon/console based?20:12
uiff_Mmmm i removed the qml viewer20:12
uiff_I also have CONFIG   += console20:12
uiff_QT       -= gui20:13
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sebastian_hi everybody20:17
sebastian_I am having problems flashing my N920:17
sebastian_I can't find an image later than what I got OTA, and I get "downgrade disallowed" by the flasher tool20:17
ajalkaneuiff: but did you remove all QML code from the main?20:18
sebastian_do I have any change of fixing it somehow? or do I send it to Nokia care?20:18
ajalkaneAnd use QCoreApplication?20:18
uiff_I use QCoreApplication, there's no QML Code in my app20:18
ajalkanecan you start the applciation from command line without usign initctl?20:19
uiff_and I get a QWidget cannot create  a QWidget error20:19
ajalkaneSo you do have graphics code still there20:19
uiff_so there's something wrong in my code but I don't know what, I've removed everything related to GUI20:19
ajalkaneObviously there is graphics code still there, hunt it down, kill it.20:20
ajalkaneBut initctl can be used to launch graphics code apps too20:20
ajalkanebut if you don't need it, all the better20:20
uiff_will kill it, once I find it :D20:21
MohammadAGsebastian_, use navifirm to download the new image20:21
ajalkaneGood luck in the hunt20:22
ajalkaneI'm off to sleep a bit20:22
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sebastian_I was told that the versions themselves PR1.0, PR1.1, etc are timestamped20:25
sebastian_and you can only install a newer image20:25
sebastian_what I got OTA is not in navifirm's repository20:25
ieatlinti don't think its specifically timestamping that prevents it, but yes, there is no downgrade20:26
sebastian_I'm getting an error "downgrade disallowed (13......)" the number is in "date -d @13....." 3rd of January20:26
bluesleesebastian_: there is a perl script which can download the firmware images20:27
sebastian_the ota's ones?20:27
bluesleei don know20:27
ieatlinti don't know of any firmware released on januar 320:27
sebastian_it's supposed to be 059L4L3, PR1.1, Argentina unbranded20:28
sebastian_also the infamous P*** tool clears the device correctly but fails while writing MCUSW20:28
bluesleesebastian_: normally you can find the right version on top of your n9, in the near of the sim card20:28
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sebastian_yes, that's the code 059L4L320:29
sebastian_printed in the micro sim tray20:29
bluesleesebastian_: did you tried to flash also emmc in one step?20:29
sebastian_yes, as second -F option20:29
sebastian_flasher tool always complains about "downgrade disallowed (13....)"20:29
sebastian_I've also tried 10 different images hoping that one would be newer, but no luck so far20:30
ieatlintwhat's the name of the image file?20:30
bluesleesebastian_: i guess you flashed one which has a newer firmware version number, there was one for the near east i think with a single bux fix20:31
ieatlintooh, that's a good guess... was 42-something, just had fixes to help with the mid-east language locale20:32
sebastian_I know MEA versions are supposed to be newer20:32
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sebastian_yes, I didn't try non 20. versions20:32
sebastian_just in case...20:32
ieatlintthe 20 just indicates pr1.120:33
sebastian_but, isn't there a single tool that can do the flashing job regardless of the timestamp?20:33
ieatlintthe MEA version is still pr1.120:33
bluesleesebastian_: did you tried the nokia software updater?20:33
bluesleesebastian_: which only flashes rootfs by the way20:34
sebastian_I see, I could try that, I'm worried that later I wouldn't be able to go to PR1.2 for my product code20:34
bluesleesebastian_: nokia link if i remember right20:34
sebastian_NSU fails to go past the connect phone screen20:34
sebastian_thing is, after doing the update to PR1.1, and installing a couple of applications20:34
sebastian_I was in ssh and apt-get showed "unused packages" and suggested autoremove20:35
ieatlintas i recall, the flasher tool has a query switch to get info about the image currently on the phone20:35
ieatlintmight want to see about that20:35
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sebastian_I did that, like 400MB were going to disappear, I thought it was a left over from PR1.0 and accepted20:35
sebastian_then icons started to disappear from the applications home, including the useful green phone one20:36
bluesleesebastian_: did you add additional repos?20:36
bluesleehey hey hey:-)20:36
sebastian_one for Opera or Fennec I think20:36
sebastian_that I needed pango library20:36
bluesleei had the same issue yesterday with a simple "apt-get install tar"20:36
sebastian_it wasn't a nice experience I must tell20:37
bluesleeharmattan dev was activated20:37
bluesleeand i also hit enter20:37
sebastian_and apt-transport-https something went away, so no way to install a new package20:37
sebastian_did you fix it?20:37
bluesleei had to flash20:37
sebastian_but in your case the image was the same or older, right?20:38
bluesleecan you check /apt/etc for sources.list20:38
sebastian_right now, one of my tests included the P*** tool, which goes through a cleaning phase and then hangs20:38
bluesleesebastian_: i used "correct" images20:38
sebastian_clever of you20:39
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sebastian_I did that same thing too, but didn't work for me20:39
bluesleebut i had the same effect, all icons were gone, nothing worked, no ls, no cp20:39
sebastian_yes, I wasn't worried at first because I was counting with flashing it20:39
bluesleedo you flash from windows?20:40
sebastian_somebody helped me in meego's forum, called "rainisto", and told me the images were timestamped20:40
bluesleeit should not matter, just a quesion20:40
sebastian_and that was the problem20:40
sebastian_yes, to use the flashing tools apart from "flasher" in linux20:40
sebastian_I've tried both20:41
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sebastian_thing is, I would like to avoid going to Nokia Care and waiting a month or so for the fix20:42
sebastian_in a month PR1.2 is going to go public more or less, right?20:42
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ZogG_laptopmardy: ping20:50
ieatlintbut if you were to guestimate the timeline between pr1.1 coming out for the n950 and it coming out for the n9, a few weeks would be it20:50
sebastian_so a month and a half from now you mean?20:54
ieatlintwell, in true nokia fashion, it'll get announced 4-10 months before release20:55
djszapiieatlint: what do you mean ?20:57
ieatlintdjszapi: just a joke about how long it takes nokia to get a phone out the door once they announce it20:57
djszapinot following...what new phone are you speaking about ?20:58
ieatlintthe rm-69020:58
befordsebastian_, can't you just apply the current firmware with the Nokia Software Updater for windows?20:58
sebastian_beford, it doesn't get passed the first connection page20:59
djszapiieatlint: also, how is it different, say for Intel ? They even announce it much before than that ?20:59
ieatlintdjszapi: why are you suddenly on the defence and using intel as a shield?21:00
ieatlintit's a joke, and a criticism that nokia themselves have admitted and worked to stop21:00
djszapibecause I do not understand why one company is grabbed out all the time even if everybody does the same.21:00
ieatlinthence the lumia being announced shortly before release21:00
ieatlintbecause i'm in a channel about a nokia product21:01
ieatlintit'd be bizarre if i started talking about how long i have to wait for the next intel chipset in here21:01
djszapioh so you are ranting everywhere then ?21:01
ieatlintwell, i am on the internet21:02
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djszapifaenil: got the soundeffect working \o/ :)21:09
faenilwhat was the problem?21:10
djszapifaenil: wav generation21:11
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faenili.e ?21:13
faenildetails :D21:13
djszapisimple: try to convert an "ogg" file by using ffmpeg, or oggdec with the default options.21:15
djszapithen open up the output files in a hex editor21:15
djszapiyou will see that the chunk is 18 bytes long in case of ffmpeg21:15
djszapiand 16 bytes long with the oggdec conversion.21:15
djszapifaenil: also, there is yet another serious bug with the whole audio stack.21:16
faenilso which encoding is the working one? XD21:16
djszapiyou cannot dynamically change the source before playing, so say: you have 10+ effects, you cannot use one element, but 10+21:16
djszapifaenil: oggdec.21:17
faenilabout the source, that's sad, but ok ;)21:17
djszapibut if you get the wav directly, better to check the chunk with okteta or the hex editor of vi21:17
djszapiI would not say it is ok to create zillion elements.21:17
djszapiI would personally use one soundeffect element with dynamically changable source. Actually, I would expect a play method with source argument instead of explicitely setting it.21:18
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djszapiVenemo: O.21:19
djszapio/ :)21:19
Venemohey djszapi :)21:19
Venemohi faenil :)21:19
faenilbut that's life...this is what we're given :)21:19
faenilhey Venemo ;)21:19
Venemohow're you guys?21:20
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djszapiVenemo: fine with a buggy audio stack on Harmattan xD21:20
faenilfine ;) what about you?21:20
Venemodjszapi, lol21:20
Venemofaenil, I'm fine, thanks. a little bit tired, but I love my new job :)21:20
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ieatlintcongrats on the new job21:21
Venemothanks :)21:21
faenilcongrats :)21:21
djszapiVenemo: the selection dialog patches are not even accepted for 1.3 :D :D21:22
Venemodjszapi, SRSLY?21:22
djszapinot enough serious bugfix =)21:24
Venemo:D :D :D21:25
Venemoyou see, I knew I'd keep using my WorkingSelectionDialog for a long time :D21:25
djszapiWorkingSelectionDialog naming rotfl xD21:26
Venemowhy? :D21:26
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trxare there any plans by anyone to port subversion to harmattan?21:28
ieatlinti'm pretty sure all the porting effort in that area is around cvs and a little on mercurial21:29
djszapitrx: I tried last summer, but was not straight-forward.21:29
trxme too with no luck21:30
djszapibut it is very useful to port because you might port important dependencies for other packages.21:30
sebastian_hi, anybody knows if it's possible to flash a downgraded image to N9?21:31
phakosebastian_: no.21:31
trxit requires libapache1 and some other packages with which i never worked before21:32
trxbut yeah, it would be useful21:32
sebastian_phako: and in that case, is there an image repository with the binary images compatible with the OTA updates? because navifirm ones are older21:33
djszapisebastian_: it is, but you need to know the security holes :)21:33
djszapiso theoritically yes, practically not for you.21:33
sebastian_djszapi: I wouldn't mind reading cryptic stuff21:34
sebastian_djszapi: is there some documentation I could read?21:34
djszapiI am afraid I cannot disclose until the fix, or even until a release.21:34
sebastian_by the way, what's MCUSW?21:34
djszapimicrocontroller software ? :D21:35
sebastian_nice name21:35
djszapisebastian_: why would you downgrade by the way ?21:36
sebastian_my sad story goes like this:21:36
sebastian_I upgraded to PR1.1 OTA21:37
sebastian_then installed Opera and Fennec, and a couple of things more21:37
sebastian_apt-get reported unused packages, so I did "apt-get autoremove"21:37
sebastian_that started removing my icons from the home screen, when I saw the green phone icon go away I cancelled apt21:38
sebastian_but it was too late21:38
djszapithat sounds obscure to me.21:38
sebastian_apt-transport-https or something like that was gone, so no way to get back my packages21:38
sebastian_bizarre too for me21:38
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sebastian_so I decided to flash it, instead of trying to recover all the packages that had gone away21:39
sebastian_I got navifirm, found my products image21:39
sebastian_but it seems it's timestamped older than the one I got OTA21:39
djszapiN9 or N950 ?21:39
sebastian_so flasher reports "downgrade disallowed (13....)"  the 13... is the timestamp corresponding to 3rd January21:39
sebastian_I don't intend to downgrade per se, but I think it's the only way now21:40
djszapiwhy ?21:40
sebastian_just downgrade the timestamp difference21:40
djszapiI would try to mount the N9 partition on my PC21:40
sebastian_because navifirm images seem to be older than whay I got OTA21:40
djszapiand unpack  important things manually, if not possible to reinstall21:40
sebastian_yes, I tried  that one too21:40
sebastian_but too late21:40
sebastian_I first tried the infamous P*** tool21:41
sebastian_and while it fails at writing MCUSW, it does a great job at the "erasing" step21:41
sebastian_so no more partitions left, just a big 15.5 GB sdd21:41
MohammadAGNokia needs to get their shit straight21:42
djszapinot following, what P*** tool ?21:42
MohammadAGOCF then OTA21:43
MohammadAGkinda worked well with the N90021:43
MohammadAGif only the N900 was upgraded with the software21:43
MohammadAGsame software*21:43
sebastian_that would be great, but I was told nokia didn't plan to release the binaries compatible with OTA to the general public21:44
sebastian_so, any ideas, or do I have to wait for PR1.2 or Nokia Care only?21:50
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e-yesframebuffer in n9 is weird, isn't it?21:58
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bluesleeadmiral0: ping22:03
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djszapie-yes: why22:04
admiral0blueslee: yes22:04
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admiral0blueslee: pong22:05
admiral050% packet loss22:06
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bluesleeadmiral0: i want to use lpsmagic but with my own data22:11
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bluesleeadmiral0: are you developing a gui for it?22:11
admiral0not yet. I am rewriting it in C to consume less RAM22:12
admiral0you could set up a wiki page for data requested22:13
bluesleeadmiral0: can you provide an option just to display a text file?22:13
bluesleeadmiral0: i use the operator logo for this
admiral0blueslee: v2.0 (in C) will be configurable via configfile22:13
bluesleeadmiral0: and i want to do something like a status monitor for public transfer using cron22:13
bluesleeadmiral0: that sounds good22:14
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admiral0QtScript is tempting me22:14
bluesleeadmiral0: i only had a look on your python code but i will wait for the support of "arbitrary" textfiles22:18
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admiral0blueslee: i'm doing it the right way(ttm)22:20
infobotadmiral0 meant: blueslee: i'm doing it the right way(tm)22:21
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bluesleeadmiral0: until now i used crontab for the updating job, how is your plan?22:22
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admiral0daemon and inotify22:27
DrGrovHi admiral0, daemon and inotify?22:28
DrGrovWhat is this about?22:30
admiral0the way i consume less CPU :P22:31
DrGrovAh ok :)22:32
DrGrovadmiral0: You see my post on #n9 about my battery consumption? Could it be background data which is set as on making the huge consumption?22:32
DrGrovSo I better turn the background data off then and solve the problem?22:34
admiral0see what's causing your battery drain22:35
jkthi there22:35
jktI might be missing something, but one of the things mentioned fro PR1.2 on N950 was the new feature of moving aplications into folders22:36
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jkthow am I supposed to actually use that?22:36
DrGrovadmiral0: I actually had the phone just laying around without any calls or activity. Just lpsmagic running with dual mode + backgroun data on22:37
admiral0lpsmagic has verylittle power drain22:38
admiral0do you have IM on?22:38
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DrGrovadmiral0: No, I am offline on IM. Always22:51
DrGrovNo, no emails either22:52
DrGrovNo accounts at all set up22:52
DrGrovCould it be because I charge my phone too fast after it goes under ex. 30% ?22:53
DrGrovI mean should I let it drop down to ex. 10% sometimes and then just charge it?22:53
DrGrovBut it is ok, I will check tomorrow and do the same kind of test with having background data off and keep it running for roughly 19h to see how much has been used22:55
DrGrovProbably what I mean with background data is "Allow data connections in the background" or similar to that so it can get mail anytime22:55
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djszapiHi! If I have such a common toolbarlayout for more pages with a back toolicon and all that jazz: How can I make an inquery for the actualy page before popping on the stack ? I would execute a "saveSettings()"-like C++ code if the current page was the settings page.23:09
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MohammadAGhow do I get the source from the OBS page?23:15
djszapi"Sources" tab.23:17
MohammadAGoh, had to login23:18
djszapiyou can download without login23:20
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beforddjszapi, there is appWindow.pageStack.currentPage, did you check that?23:29
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itsnotabigtruckdammit, sebastian's gone already23:31
itsnotabigtrucki assume the 'infamous p*** tool' is phoenix?23:31
itsnotabigtruckflashing pr1.1.1 might have done the trick23:32
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djszapibeford: yeah, I realized that also works.23:56

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