IRC log of #harmattan for Saturday, 2012-01-28

trxnevermind, i just had to set proper format and resolution00:15
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DrGrovIf I use the N9 web browser to download an image, is it possible to select the download location? Or is it better to use USB mode and transfer the image?01:10
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itsnotabigtruck check this out07:00
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befordim not a hacker07:21
itsnotabigtruckbeford: then become one! then listen to the music, because it's solid07:29
ieatlintperhaps not the best place to advertise random unrelated websites07:31
itsnotabigtruckieatlint: it's irc, in the middle of the night, of course it is :p and you could listen to it while you hack your N907:43
ieatlint"middle of night" is incredibly relative, and it makes about as much sense as me advertising pizza hut07:48
ieatlintcome on, lighten up, eat a slice while you hack07:49
itsnotabigtruckieatlint: maybe if you could get pizza free instantly over the internet :D08:07
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ieatlintyour shoes displease me08:58
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infobotmethinks update is
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nix-cyrushi. is in archlinux any pkgbuild for harmattan architecture for qt-creator? or the best way just download and install binary package from qt site?12:48
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djszapinix-cyrus: -> I see only this one12:54
djszapiaur is your friend on Archlinux ;-)12:54
nix-cyrusdjszapi: yeah) I found this package too.. but just don't sure.. is if for Maemo6 (Nokia) or for real Meego (Intel)12:57
djszapino real clue, but what is wrong about doing it "cleanly" ?12:58
djszapiyes, from the official instructions, Nokia.12:58
ZogG_laptopyou mean from site12:59
djszapiyes, of course.12:59
nix-cyrusok. thnx.12:59
ZogG_laptopthats what i said him too12:59
djszapinix-cyrus: you are welcome for making a proper AUR package ;)13:01
nix-cyrusdjszapi: good idea) but I need something like "Installation guide" for it13:02
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: i talked to qt maintainers of gentoo, there are certain parts they couldn't make ebuild for (gentoo) so i'm not sure if it plossible13:02
ZogG_laptopnix-cyrus: there is no installation guide - it's blob installer13:02
djszapiZogG_laptop: ebuild is the worst hack ever for packaging.13:02
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djszapi(at least it was a nightmare 5-6 years ago)13:04
Sputdjszapi: compared to arch's bash script hackery, it's elegant, advanced and powerful.13:06
djszapiSput: took me 5 minutes to update vim on arch without knowledge, and could never manage it with ebuild in 2-3 days.13:07
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: i find it the best thing as it's flexible and it's mostly for opensource13:07
djszapi(but my last sentence on the topic, because it is off)13:07
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: if you couldn't get it - it was mostly not ebuild problems =D13:08
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Sputdjszapi: uh, cp vim-7.3.393.ebuild vim-7.3.409.ebuild13:09
Sputis all it takes to update the package :P13:09
faenilmorning people :)13:09
djszapiSput ideally, but ask the gentoo developer who tried to help, and he had not ideas either.13:09
ZogG_laptopSput: even vim-9999 from git would be easy to do from git/svn or what ever, it's automagical13:09
SputI blame that on a communication failure, not on the ebuild format13:10
ZogG_laptopas total noob i even managed to make ebuild13:10
Sputand really, complaining about ebuild when coming from arch sounds completely weird :)13:10
djszapiSput communication failure on how to run a cp ? :D13:10
djszapiAre you serious ? :D13:10
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: its not only copy, you need to have your local portage first of all set up properly13:11
djszapiimo I even asked on iirc, and nobody had ideas13:11
Sputdjszapi: I would assume that this developer didn't get what you want, or the other way round, since obviously it can't be impossible to easily update vim13:11
ZogG_laptopand than you need to ebuild *.ebuild digest13:11
djszapiso nobody can communicate them on their channel ? :D13:11
ZogG_laptopand than install13:11
djszapiSput: it is not just about vim, but yes the developers on irc had no ideas either13:11
SputI'm just checking the diffs between the ebuilds for the various vim versions, and it's tiny to zero.13:12
djszapimaybe they fixed the issues with the creepy system that was like that 6 years ago13:12
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: almost everything i want to do on gentoo was already done and explained in the internet - so google would give you step by  step explaination and ebuild itself =013:12
Sputgenerally Gentoo devs know how to bump package versions, otherwise we wouldn't be bleeding edge :P13:12
djszapiZogG_laptop: so why don't you provide a qtcreator package in 2 mins, mmmh ?13:13
Sputwe have a qtcreator package13:13
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: coz it's blob13:13
djszapiSput gentoo was not really bleeding edge at all13:13
ZogG_laptopand yes they have, it just lack of certain parts13:13
djszapiSput especially after almost the whole team left them13:13
Sputdjszapi: obviously, you're talking about a different Gentoo then.13:13
djszapiall the old developers, mostly back then13:13
Sputbecause the Gentoo I was using for the past 12 years was always pretty much bleeding edge, always had competent developers, and was always able to bump packages.13:14
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: i think you don't know what you are talking, i'm on gentoo for about 6 years13:14
djszapiso bleeding edge I got answers for serious bugs after 1-2 years :D13:14
SputZogG_laptop: I agree. this doesn't match reality at all13:14
djszapiZogG_laptop: I used it for at least 6 years13:14
djszapiand I stopped it 4 years ago13:14
Sputwe do 0day releases for KDE and Qt, for example13:15
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: i moved to funtoo now =)13:15
djszapiI left gentoo not much after the core team left13:15
djszapibecause it got screwed up then13:15
Sputwhich core team left13:15
Sputthere was never any core team leaving13:15
ZogG_laptopmayeb he means drobbin?13:15
Sputdrobbins was kicked out, that was about all, and it didn't hurt Gentoo13:15
djszapiof course there was13:16
djszapimany gentoo developers left because of the arrogance of the new developers.13:16
Sputreally, must be a different Gentoo13:16
djszapiit seems you are not really a long gentoo community watcher :)13:16
Sputthe one in your universe is probably also dying, right?13:16
ZogG_laptopSput: actually never got that, i think his visionary is what made Gentoo like it is (actually he did it)13:16
ZogG_laptopSput: djszapi right, some maintainers and stuff left, but hardly core team13:17
Sputdjszapi: I am a Gentoo user for 11 years now, I have helped with development for at least 4 years, and been involved in community longer than that13:17
djszapi/many/ core members13:17
ZogG_laptopand people leave and come in any distro - it's normal13:17
Sputand clearly, the Gentoo you describe never existed13:17
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djszapiSput so you are saying I am lying and I was able to update my vim package ?13:18
Sputsince I am almost sober, it can't be my reality that's broken :P13:18
djszapiafter 2-3 days hard try ?13:18
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: you did it wrong13:18
Sputyou could describe what kind of "2-3 days hard try" you did13:18
Sputand what the error was13:18
djszapiit can be done wrong for 2-3 days ?13:18
djszapiI am sorry, but I am not interested in an error-prone thingie13:18
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: yes13:18
SputI still assume that there is some misunderstanding somewhere13:19
djszapisuch an error prone which can be made wrong for 2-3 days, a simple update.13:19
djszapieven for developers.13:19
Sputand that's coming from an arch user?13:19
Sputwhere you have to frickin edit bash scripts to adapt packages?13:19
Sputnot even USE flags?13:19
djszapiSput: of course I do not remember by heart what happened 8 years ago13:19
Sputdjszapi: and yet you base your disgust of a whole distro on that13:19
ZogG_laptopi tried arch - gentoo is just logical - that's why i still use it, all the arch, ubuntu and other distros are mess13:19
djszapiSput wrong interpretation13:20
djszapimany people said ebuild is horrible (including me)13:20
Sputdon't blame the ebuild format on an issue you had 8 years ago and can't even remember :)13:20
djszapiand after the fluctuation, many gentoo dev came to arch.13:20
Sputdon't get me wrong, I have tried arch and I like some of its concepts, even the community13:21
ZogG_laptopi know people migrating, but not devs13:21
Sputbut it's in no way more elegant, easier to use or has better packaging than Gentoo13:21
djszapiSput I got bugreport replies for serious bugs in 1-2 year13:21
djszapiand still no asnweres for some.13:21
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: link me to them13:21
djszapiis this the bleeding edge thingie ? :)13:21
Sputthese pkgbuilds are a weak emulation of ebuilds, there are no USE flags, you have to frickin manually edit a pkgbuild if you want to install a package not in default configuration13:21
Sputhow is that easier or more elegant than ebuilds and USE flags?13:22
djszapiI do not care about use flags.13:22
djszapiit makes my life actually a bit harder13:22
djszapiyou know, KISS, I just install the stuff, or build and done13:22
Sputuse ubuntu then :P13:22
djszapiI do not care about space nowadays, if I can truncate 10 MB out.13:22
ZogG_laptopuse windows than13:23
Sputit never worked like that on arch either13:23
djszapiSput buntu is not up to date13:23
Sputboth Gentoo and Arch pretty much target the same users13:23
djszapiand there is no real reason for changing a distribution you have been using for many years, if it works for you.13:23
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: ubuntu is up2date13:23
ZogG_laptopjust use right ppa's13:23
ZogG_laptopas well a lot of stuff nowdays are made for ubuntu13:23
Sputof course not. I'm not asking you to switch, I'm asking you to stop unfounded criticism on the distro I have chosen13:23
SputZogG_laptop: it's not uptodate, really13:24
SputI have to use it at work :P13:24
Sputit's much better than debian though13:24
Sputwhen it comes to uptodateness13:24
djszapiSput: you are saying I cannot have an opinion about things ? I do not need the slavery back :p13:24
ZogG_laptopSput: depends on what you use, i know a lot of devs and shinny program today aimed to ubuntu first of all13:24
djszapiif I can do a vim update wrong for 2-3 days, and developers do not need either how to fix.13:25
djszapiI am sorry, but I cannot say positive things.13:25
ZogG_laptopSput: djszapi as well installing from git repos and halfready things - is not up2date as well imho13:25
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: i don't believe it was actuall developer and i think yu just can't say you was wrong, that's my opinion13:26
Sputdjszapi: well, since you seem to base your whole opinion on an incident that happened 8 years ago and that noone can remember, I'm not taking it too seriously, and just state my own opinion that the ebuild/portage packaging is the most adanced, most flexible and easiest since sliced bread.13:26
djszapiZogG_laptop: thanks for saying I am now lying.13:26
djszapiSput: you are seriously saying I recall every accident off-hand happened 8-10 years ago, I mean really ? :D13:27
Sputthat said, I still would have an Arch installation somewhere if it didn't commit suicide on upgrade13:27
djszapibut of course all I did what I would do on arch: bump the version13:27
djszapiandno link changed, nothing, but got confusing portage thingie13:28
ZogG_laptopSput: i use unstable and there few things i use that are hard mask, but still i do not update kernel everyday, coz i don't see any point, as well as software, i update once in a week mostly, the important thing for me is to update if certain\important things to me were fixed13:28
djszapiSput: same with portage emerge world really13:28
djszapisomething always blew up :)13:28
Sputdjszapi: no, but I am saying if something happened to you that long ago (it started with "4 years ago" and is now "8-10 years ago" btw), then maybe it's about time to just forget about it and check the current situation before making a fool out of yourself for publishing unfounded criticizm13:28
djszapiI do not need this tone sorry, so I am leaving.13:29
SputI'm not judging the quality of opensuse or debian on the version from 2001 either.13:29
djszapiSput: if you read back I wrote this: 13:04 < djszapi> (at least it was a nightmare 5-6 years ago)13:29
ZogG_laptopas far as i know i had portage updates problems - till i understood it was me doing wrong13:30
djszapiand honestly, the whole ebuild stuff read very hard for me.13:30
ZogG_laptopas well as i tried arch and i know there was pacman update that ruined the installation at all13:30
djszapiZogG_laptop: what can you do wrong with an update command, seriously ? :)13:30
SputZogG_laptop: it had update problems (muchly improved by now), but less than, say, apt13:30
Sputbut didn't we talk about bumping a package version?13:30
djszapiarch does not use apt.13:30
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: depends and flags13:30
Sputnow it's about upgrading the system?13:30
Sputsee, that's what I meant earlier with "misunderstanding", it's not always easy to understand what's meant :)13:31
djszapiSput: you are the only one now misunderstanding13:31
SputI know that arch doesn't use apt :)13:31
djszapiyou were confusing distro upgrade into the topic with suiciding13:31
djszapiI just reacted for your bypass, it is basically the same on gentoo13:31
djszapiat least it was many many years ago13:31
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: you was talking about one package only at first =)13:31
Sputwell yeah, many many years ago you could kill a Gentoo on upgrade too. much harder nowadays13:32
djszapibut as I said, it is not just a vim issue13:32
Sputand still easy with apt13:32
djszapiwas no way in the hell, the ebuild read nicely.13:32
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Sputand iDunno what happened to my Arch installation, it followed the instructions and it failed and was not recoverable13:32
djszapiSput: I have never said it is like that nowadays13:32
Arkenoia guy on local forum ( sold everything nokia gave him for last years -- 2*n900, e7, n9 and n950, for ~$2K total. Too bad I did not monitor it frequently enough :-(13:32
djszapi(since I do not use it)13:32
Sput*I followed13:32
Sputwhich is sad, because I wanted to give my parents Arch boxen13:32
SputI really like that distro, but I can't handle it :)13:33
djszapiSput: I will look for the mailing list thread about the gentoo devs leaving.13:33
djszapiI need to poke my friend how was a gentoo developer and he also left.13:33
Sputwe have devs leaving all the time, and getting new ones all the time13:33
djszapiit is not the usual stuff13:34
Sputthat's why we're proudly dying since 2001.13:34
djszapiold developers got really pissed off about the newcoming and arrogant developers13:34
Sputthere was some incident with the original KDE maintainers13:34
Sputand there was the drobbins affair13:34
djszapithat is yet another interesting thing, gentoo lists 1000+ developers, and arch has like 30 :p13:34
Sputother than that, I can't remember anything13:34
Sputwe have around 250 developers13:34
SputI would assume that Gentoo is going to have the largest team at FOSDEM again13:35
Sputwe were like 35-40 people at last year's FOSDEM, no other distro even came close13:35
djszapiI will not wear the "Gentoo ftl" T-Shirt then :D13:35
ZogG_laptopArkenoi: why would he do it?13:35
Sputanyway, shower, then train.13:36
ZogG_laptopSput: what you say about funtoo?13:36
djszapido not get me wrong, I loved gentoo as a user13:36
djszapiI just was not able to package so efficiently as on arch, and after the big leave, the quality decrease of the distribution was realizable.13:36
nix-cyrusevery distrs are fine guys)13:37
ArkenoiZogG_laptop, no idea, but i'd happily buy all his stuff13:39
Arkenoihaving a spare n950 to get rid of constant fear of breaking or losing one would be nice :-)13:40
RST38hArkenoi <-- voicing my fears exactly13:41
ZogG_laptopi have no n950 at all13:42
SputZogG_laptop: not sure. I was using the funtoo stages for a while, but nowadays Gentoo produces usable and uptodate stage3s by themselves13:47
SputI haven't really followed much, other than drobbins becoming a Gentoo dev again a couple years ago, and getting kicked out again afaik13:47
djszapialso, cannot really afford gentoo at the company.13:48
djszapiand I can afford arch.13:48
Sputbut the difference between gentoo and funtoo is rather small anyway13:48
Sputdjszapi: yeah, well, of course :)13:48
SputI don't think we could switch Nokia to Gentoo either13:49
Sputso I'll have to cope with kubuntu13:49
djszapiwell, I am allowed to do that13:49
djszapibut I would not personally do...13:49
ZogG_laptopSput: nokians?13:49
SputZogG_laptop: yes?13:49
djszapino way to update packages, and then why gentoo ?13:49
ZogG_laptopSput: set them gentoo + awesome wm =)13:49
djszapiand I like using the same os at home and work, really, so comfy... :D13:50
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ZogG_laptopi use xubuntu at work13:50
SputZogG_laptop: I honestly don't want to be involved in supporting that13:50
SputI'm glad that kubuntu nowadays most of the time "just works"13:50
ZogG_laptopbut we have centos os we are working mostly13:50
Sputand I bought myself a private laptop to have Gentoo for everything !work13:51
* RST38h throws up at the mention of centos13:51
ZogG_laptopso as mostly i'm using ssh so i don't care what i have on my computer13:51
RST38hZogG: Yeah, that is why you can still afford using Gentoo or Centos13:51
RST38hAs long as ssh works both ways...13:51
ZogG_laptopi need one way =)13:52
ZogG_laptopbut i would prefer debian i think over centos13:52
ZogG_laptopcentos is overrated for companies13:52
djszapiI use Mer at the company on my laptop :D :D13:53
SputZogG_laptop: it's mostly about the packaging for the internal tools. it's all optimized for kubuntu, and I don't feel like writing my own Gentoo packaging for that stuff13:53
ZogG_laptopi have a lot of pain in the ass, as we had problem with new hardware serves on centos5 i set centos6 as well as auto installation13:53
ZogG_laptopbut this intallation uses old scripts that are glued with patches one to another and written by al ot of different people for years, so its a mess13:53
Sputactually, could be fun to just try and see what happens if I use apt on this Gentoo box13:53
nix-cyrusdjszapi: what is Mer? meego fork?13:55
ZogG_laptopnix-cyrus: mer was before maemo5 i think, it was community alt, than maemo5 come out people stoped work on it afaik and than switched to meego, after meego was abonded they switched back to mer while using meego as core afaik13:59
ZogG_laptoplol microsoft is developing it's own distro14:04
ZogG_laptopi mean linux one14:05
djszapiSput: interesting that, qt5 allows source imcompatible changes in certain cases.14:08
Sputdjszapi: only until the official release of 5.0 of course14:08
Sputbut yes, the impending freeze is not completely hard14:08
djszapiSput: I could even break the interface of the arguments() method of QCoreApplicaiton.14:09
djszapiQCoreApplication. I was wondering, but ok :)14:09
Sputyes, it's possible if it's reviewed and the maintainer agrees14:10
Sput(or possibly Lars himself now, not sure what the current policy is)14:10
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ZogG_laptophmm, anyone can give me advise here with listview(or maybe i need to use gridview or something else). i have data i get from site, but the problem is that data may be different it has different types and all type would be displayed differently, or should i use all objects and use visible/ not visible?14:19
SqRt7744I am having a wierd problem... I have a model which works fine, in fact, if I use the model in a stardart Qt listview - no problems.  When I try to add it to a QML listview, nothing shows up and all the memory of the the computer (4GB + Swap) is quickly gobbled up. I have no idea what the problem could be. Would someone be so kind an glance at the constructor in mainwindow.cpp and tell me if anything seems obviously wrong? htt14:21
SqRt7744seems I'm not the only one with listview problems  :-)14:22
ZogG_laptopwhat is the file?14:24
ZogG_laptopSqRt7744: can't see your ql files14:24
SqRt7744i put the code in the constructor for testing purposes14:25
SqRt7744line 6914:25
SqRt7744the model, titleListModel, shows up fine in the qt ui.14:25
SqRt7744no, i'm porting it to harmattan14:26
SqRt7744but the QML code doesn't want to work... this is the problem.14:26
ZogG_laptopSqRt7744: may i just show you my ugly example?14:26
SqRt7744i modified the model to have roles and all that stuff14:26
ZogG_laptopso you build model in qt and than delivery it to qml?14:27
SqRt7744inherits qobject... all the pieces are there, but line 68 is the one that causes all the memory usage14:27
ZogG_laptopSqRt7744: i build the list inside qml14:27
SqRt7744yeah, I can't do that. It is too complex, has to decode a file and all kinds of stuff14:28
djszapiSqRt7744: lol, you do not have main.cpp14:28
djszapithat is sort of weird ;-)14:28
SqRt7744no really, evopediaapplication.cpp is "main.cpp"14:28
djszapiyes, that is really odd.14:29
SqRt7744...but I'm only hacking at this code, I didn't create it.14:29
ZogG_laptopSqRt7744: you can pass the data as xml or json and parse it in qml to build14:29
djszapiSqRt7744: did you set the context property ?14:29
SqRt7744djszapi, line 68 in mainwindow.cpp  ??14:30
djszapihonestly, I do not see any qml files.14:30
ZogG_laptopSqRt7744: ?14:30
djszapiwhy would you have QMainWindow in a qml app ?14:31
SqRt7744djszapi, oh sorry, the qml files are here:
djszapiSqRt7744: show me the ListView14:32
SqRt7744djszapi, I'm going to get rid of all the mainwindow stuff, it is part of the original code. But first I have to get the qml listview to work, and then port the rest of the mainwindow stuff to qml14:32
djszapiwhy would you deal with QMainWindow at all ?14:33
SqRt7744djszapi, it's
djszapiinstead of own main.cpp and all that jazz ?14:33
SqRt7744yeah I'll change all that, but that isn't the problem right now14:33
SqRt7744the problem is that the ListView is freaking out over the model and gobbling up all the memory14:33
djszapiwell, it is a complex environment that you do not need.14:33
djszapiwould way easier to debug it in the nice way.14:34
djszapibut try to use console.log("TEST:",
djszapimake sure the context property set is called, qDebug() << "AFTER THE CONTEXT PROPERTY SET";14:35
SqRt7744well, that is part of the problem. The code never makes it past that line 68 in mainwindow, where the context property is set.14:36
djszapiand then take a look at your delegate14:36
djszapithat is definitely the issue14:36
SqRt7744the delegate is the issue?14:36
djszapino, if you do not set the context property, you cannot access to that in qml.14:36
djszapiview.setSource(QUrl("qrc:/meego/harmattan/qml/mainwindow.qml")); -> this is ugly as well, you know ? :p14:37
SqRt7744but it gets stuck at that point.  Why is that bad?14:37
djszapi-> //    QDeclarativeContext *rootCtxt = viewer->rootContext();14:38
djszapiwhy is it commented ?14:38
djszapiand again, clean up this mess please.14:38
djszapiyou do not need QDC inside a QMW14:38
djszapitry to start it from clean table, really.14:38
SqRt7744it's the product of many attempts to get it to work in various ways14:38
djszapiyou will spare a lot of pain for yourself.14:38
djszapiSqRt7744: example for a main.cpp:
djszapiyou need a view, ask for the root context, and then set the property of that.14:40
djszapithen set the source, then showFullScreen.14:40
SqRt7744alright I'll try it again  :-)14:40
SqRt7744i initially thought it was a problem with the TitlesModel, but since it works in the qtlistview, it can't be that...14:41
SqRt7744thanks for your help14:41
djszapiwell, you did not even set the property.14:41
djszapiyou can try to make that work in the QMainWindow, and probably will work, but you need to rector this mess either way ;-)14:41
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Hi there Doc. Let me know if you are in front of the computer. Got a few quick questions that maybe you got an answer to :)15:25
damaltordragly: are you there?15:27
damaltorsorry, i meant DrGrov who obviously is there15:27
damaltorDrGrov: did you find your image ? the triple h skull?15:27
damaltorotherwise i might have something for you15:27
DrGrovdamaltor: Hi there. I did not actually find any good Triple H skull as a transparent image.15:28
damaltorno need for transparency, as there ist nothing "bleow" the image15:28
damaltoryiu could cut out one skull, resitze it to display size afterwards15:29
DocScrutinizerDrGrov: shoot15:29
DrGrovdamaltor: Ah yes, that one I got already thanks :) I was thinking about his other skull logo which is a transparent image that I would copy over to a black image15:29
DrGrovOr a white image15:29
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: PM coming through15:29
damaltorthe skull from front?15:29
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DrGrovdamaltor: Yes, it is like one skull which is displayed from the front.15:30
DrGrovdamaltor: I have problems to explain it properly. But yes, basically one skull displayed from the front and that is the only visible thing.15:31
DrGrovThe problem is that I could not find any suitable such Triple H skull yesterday when I was searching. I got a wallpaper already which has that skull but the image has white background but I would like a transparent similar skull to be copied over to a black background instead. Also because I could move the skull to an appropriate place on the wallpaper.15:32
damaltorDrGrov: is that the right one?15:36
DrGrovdamaltor: That is the right one yes. The problem is the text there, I hate text on my wallpaper :P15:37
damaltorjust a second, ill remove the text15:38
damaltorwhat was that display size again?15:39
damaltorso i can cut it15:39
DrGrovWas it 480 x 854 if I remember correctly? Not sure :D15:39
DrGrovToo difficult questions for me :D15:39
damaltorok, image is cropped and the text is gone15:42
damaltorany special wishes?15:42
DrGrovI had to take a poo15:49
DrGrovNow I am back15:49
DrGrovNo, no special wishes than except to make it on a black wallpaper and then on a white wallpaper15:50
damaltorok then, just a sec15:51
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DrGrovNo need if you got other things to do :)15:52
DrGrovThanks damaltor :)15:54
DrGrovThere is one thing though why I was desperately searching for that skull as a transparent image. But not to say that you have not done a fantastic job which you have done :)15:54
damaltorDrGrov: and theis is the inverted one. i dont like it that much, b/c the skull is too light. also, i hate brigt backgrounds. :D but it is your choice:
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DrGrovdamaltor: Thanks for the nice work :)15:55
damaltorno problem15:56
DrGrovThe reason I wanted to find the transparent skull is to resize it down and put it like a small logo/symbol in the bottom down middle and otherwise completely black15:56
damaltorDrGrov: please save the images somewhere, as they will be gone in about an hour. i dont have copies of them15:56
DrGrovBut I will try to find it later on or take some other logo/symbol15:56
DrGrovOk, will do :)15:56
DrGrovThanks for the heads up15:56
damaltorwait, what do you mean? small skull in the middle of the bottom?15:57
damaltorso that it sits between the icons?15:57
faenilI updated the n950 to pr1.2 yesterday15:57
faeniland during the day it stopped syncing the email (gmail)15:57
faenilnow it just returns error15:57
faenilis that a known issue?15:57
damaltordid you try to reboot?15:58
DrGrovdamaltor: The problem is that I can not explain it actually, I will show you once I get something similar :) Ok?15:58
djszapifaenil: it is a known issue only in Italy :D15:58
faenillol? :D15:59
faenilin the changelogs there were fixes about "gmail syncing"15:59
damaltorDrGrov: ok, do that. just ping me or something, i dont have that much to do today15:59
faenilwell, good job! ...-.-15:59
djszapidamaltor: are you an artist of any kind ?15:59
DrGrovdamaltor: Ok, I will do so. If not today some other beautiful day :)15:59
DrGrovdamaltor: I am not sure I will find a suitable customizable logo/symbol today since I am bit slow :D16:00
damaltordjszapi: i am an electronics engineer. i personally dont consider this as art16:00
damaltorDrGrov: use paint, make a black rectangle. put some colored rectangle into the place you would like to have the skull in16:01
damaltordjszapi: but thanks though :D16:01
djszapiheh ;)16:01
DrGrovdamaltor: I can fix that I am sure, but I need that damn transparent image first. I copy it over as a layer only and freely move it until I am happy.16:01
DrGrovdamaltor: Great work on those two images :)16:01
damaltorif you want the background to be black in the end, i can give you the skull in transparent16:02
damaltoryou can put it on a black background now, as that ist what i stole it from :D16:03
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DrGrovdamaltor: Thanks, that is what I wanted :)16:04
damaltorok, have fun with it16:04
DrGrovdamaltor: I will resize the skull down to appropriate size and then make a new layer on the black background and get it there . Thanks16:05
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damaltorno problem16:06
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admiral0i have to create an image for the low power screen16:17
admiral0what are the colors that work?16:17
DrGrovIs it easy to install that custom low power screen additional information app that can be found here,
DrGrovCalled ISPMagic16:25
DrGrovSorry, Ipsmagic16:25
admiral0DrGrov: i'm the dev of that application16:27
admiral0install deb, reboot16:27
admiral0easier than that :)16:27
DrGrovadmiral0: Ah, you are the developer? Nice to meet you :)16:28
DrGrovadmiral0: So of course terminal open, install the .deb and reboot? Nothing funny stuff? :)16:29
admiral0the deb has postinstall scripts that do everything automagically16:29
admiral0and all is restored when you uninstall the deb16:30
DrGrovThat 96% on the image you posted on TMO, is that the battery state without charging? Just having it turned on?16:30
admiral0DrGrov: nice to meet you too :)16:30
* DrGrov hugs admiral0 :)16:30
* admiral0 awww16:30
faenildidn't know about that app, nice :D16:30
admiral0but i'm already emotionally occupied :P16:30
faeniladmiral0: why didn't u come to qtday?16:30
admiral0faenil: exams16:31
admiral0faenil: my girlfriend16:31
admiral0faenil: other exams16:31
DrGrovadmiral0: I am also emotionally occupied but a bit of a gayish hug here and there to lighten up the mood can never hurt now can it? :)16:31
faenilI see...I finished exams two days ago :D feeling awesome :D16:31
faenilDrGrov: :D16:31
admiral0i finish 24th feb16:32
* DrGrov is eviil16:32
DrGrovI will take over the world16:32
DrGrovI will hug the whole world until I have control16:34
faeniladmiral0: my thesis is on 24th February! :D16:34
DrGrovadmiral0: So, the screenshot you got here, , is showing the 96% as battery left without charging?16:34
faenil2 more years afterwards :(16:34
admiral0faenil: what do you think16:34
faeniladmiral0: about what16:35
admiral0better paint or QPixmap or QImage?16:35
faenilcan't tell, to do what?16:35
admiral0generate an image16:35
admiral0use QPainter on it16:35
DrGrovadmiral0: Or that is the battery when charging? Or is that even the battery status icon showing as 96% ?16:36
faenildon't know have never tried it yet16:36
faenil(I know, it's strange :D)16:36
admiral0DrGrov: it is charging16:36
admiral0DrGrov: usb icon -> charging16:37
admiral0DrGrov: plug -> wall charger16:37
admiral0DrGrov: battery 4 state icon -> discharging16:37
DrGrovadmiral0: Ok, thanks for clearing that up for me :) Nice that you implemented separate icons for all that :)16:37
admiral0it was almost natural16:38
faenilDrGrov: he actually did not, bhuahuhaa16:38
DrGrovfaenil: You are the brains between those icons? :)16:38
admiral0damaltor chose the icons16:38
faenilDrGrov: nah just joking ;)16:38
DrGrovdamaltor: Great job in choosing the icons :)16:38
DrGrovadmiral0: I am just a bit nervous to install it since I always manage to screw something up eventually :D16:38
admiral0don't worry16:39
admiral0install it from file manager16:39
admiral0it needs 2 deps that are not installed by default16:39
faeniladmiral0: how do you paint on top of the screensaver?16:39
admiral0if you install via dpkg it will initially fail16:39
admiral0faenil: i'm using the operator logo16:40
faeniladmiral0: operator logo is an image..16:40
DrGrovadmiral0: From where do I get a good file manager and what is the name of such app?16:41
admiral0DrGrov: i'm now working on next version16:41
DrGrovadmiral0: What cool things will you implement in the next version? :)16:41
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admiral0javispedro: hi dude16:41
faeniljavispedro: hiiiiiiiii16:41
admiral0faenil: yes, i am writing on a image16:41
javispedroheloooo :)16:41
faenillong time no chat man! is everything alright?16:41
admiral0javispedro: just to be annoying and stuff:
javispedromore or less =)16:42
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: HI!16:42
javispedrobtw, I'm going to the states on feb 26 (first time :))16:42
admiral0DrGrov: then just use shell16:42
admiral0DrGrov: dpkg -i lsmagic.deb # this will fail16:43
javispedroHi DocScrutinizer!16:43
admiral0DrGrov: apt-get -f install # this will resolve deps and fix everything16:43
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: noticed ~update ?16:43
tommathere is also $ pkgmgr install-file -f <filename>16:44
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DrGrovadmiral0: So I do "apt-get -f install lsmagic.deb"  and it is done?16:44
admiral0use what tomma said16:44
DrGrovSo I use "pkgmgr install-file -f lsmagic.deb" and it just works?16:45
admiral0 pkgmgr install-file -f my.deb16:45
DrGrovOk, I will do that. Thanks for helping out :)16:45
admiral0just use the correct filename16:45
DrGrovWill do :)16:46
admiral0and reboot afterwards16:46
admiral0tomma: thank you, new find for me16:46
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admiral0javispedro: haveyou seen?16:47
javispedroseen what?16:48
DocScrutinizerI guess he meant pr1.2beta16:50
admiral0nope DocScrutinizer :P16:51
DocScrutinizerooh, cool stuff16:53
DocScrutinizeragain a dirty nasty hack around harmattan&aegis I guess, so again a reason to hate N9. But a cool project nevertheless16:54
javispedrowhy you need to hack aegis?16:55
javispedrothat just uses the operator logo bitmap I guess16:55
* DocScrutinizer vomits on N9 for trying to enforce some insane Nokia policy about what users may and may not do on their own devices16:55
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: *ack*, you'd not need to hack aegis for that - you just hack your way around agis forbidding to implemet that stuff in a sane clean way16:56
* admiral0 feels DocScrutinizer's pain about aegis16:56
DocScrutinizerprepare for any (unlikely) PR1.3 probably putting those operator bitmaps under aegis control so you mustn't tamper with them16:58
* admiral0 doesn't care16:58
admiral0will goin open mode with PR1.216:59
* DocScrutinizer neither, as for him N9 is already walking dead16:59
admiral0come on Doc...16:59
admiral0people say it outsells lumias16:59
DocScrutinizerI don't give a shit16:59
admiral0either it's nokia walking dead16:59
DocScrutinizeriPhone outsells both Lumia nad N9 together17:00
admiral0either n9 is alive and kicking17:00
* DocScrutinizer kicks Nokia17:00
admiral0DocScrutinizer: now who gives a shit about that phone in oss world?17:00
DocScrutinizerindeed, when you can buy ringtones at OVI store for only .9917:01
admiral0lol whi cares about ovi17:01
admiral0i care about the device17:01
DocScrutinizermass tupidity never been an argument to guide my own preferences - at least not accordingly and in line with mass stupidity17:01
admiral0when(if) PR1.3 will be out17:02
DocScrutinizerplus I *never* liked N9 hw product properties17:02
DocScrutinizerso I couldn't care less17:02
admiral0DocScrutinizer: whydon't you like the n9?17:03
DocScrutinizerno hw kbd, no external storage, capacitive touchscreen17:03
admiral0(the specs)17:03
DocScrutinizeran OS that'S not a bit compatible to N90017:03
admiral0no hw kbd=n950 wasn't out -> nokia's  fault17:04
admiral0no external storage? internal 64G is good enogh17:04
admiral0i like more the capacitive(although two finger swipe is missing)17:05
admiral0i think OS could become better than maemo17:05
admiral0no offense17:05
admiral0imo qt > gtk17:06
admiral0i asked nokia people to release code for harmattan17:06
admiral0:\ not possible17:07
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itsnotabigtruckadmiral0: can't just ask for such things17:11
itsnotabigtruckyou have no idea how many lawyers and bureaucracy these companies have17:11
admiral0i know17:11
itsnotabigtruckeverything nokia releases as open source has to be cleared through some procedure17:11
itsnotabigtruckand audited to make sure it doesn't contain anything unwanted17:12
itsnotabigtruckand their legal team probably cooks up all sorts of scenarios where the world could end if one line of source code is released :p17:12
admiral0that happens inside amd too17:13
admiral0see evergreen hdmi audio17:13
itsnotabigtruckbut if they were serious about doing the right thing (lol) they'd release a maximum of source code17:13
admiral0was reverse engineered17:13
DocScrutinizerand the pretty smart engineers at Nokia have to do what product damagers tell them to do, after those got weird ideas from GUI designers17:14
itsnotabigtruckgfx card companies are squeamish about code for a different reason17:14
itsnotabigtrucka) it contains lots of details about the chips that they think the other player could exploit17:15
DocScrutinizersee e.g what happened with cherry on fremantle17:15
itsnotabigtruckb) their drivers contain lots of drm related stuff that they're likely bound by contract to keep secret17:15
DocScrutinizergot force-feeded to fremantle team by some other department17:15
admiral0itsnotabigtruck: yeah the UVD stuff17:15
admiral0DocScrutinizer: what's cherry17:15
admiral0i had an n900 but have no idea17:16
itsnotabigtruckin the case of the N9, the drm stuff is fairly discrete, it doesn't have to interfere with open sourcing most of the platform17:16
DocScrutinizer"compulsory MyNokia registration during update"17:16
admiral0i hated tha17:16
itsnotabigtruckas opposed to the graphics card thing where maybe they fear that you could poke at the right register and lift screencaps of protected videos or something17:16
DocScrutinizerthe same thing Nokia is paying 58K$ fine now in Oz17:16
DocScrutinizeror NewZea?17:17
admiral0but i had a plan where every received sms recharges me17:17
admiral0so oh well, go nokia17:17
itsnotabigtrucki don't think they ever even launched mynokia in the us17:17
itsnotabigtruckthe app for that on the e71 just says "mynokia isn't in your country" or some such17:17
admiral0anyway i hope they don't lock operator logo17:18
itsnotabigtruckalso $58k? that's a pretty wimpy fine17:18
itsnotabigtruckthat's not even a year's salary for a mid level employee17:18
admiral0DocScrutinizer, itsnotabigtruck
_MeeGoBot_Bug 584 enh, High, ---, ext-risto.lahti, REOP, Add API to add custom pages to meegotouchhome17:19
DocScrutinizerHAH, extremely rare they get reasonable change requests there17:19
itsnotabigtruckwell, to be fair that sort of arrangement was pretty unlikely in any circumstance17:19
itsnotabigtruckbut yeah, people being whiny about enhancement requests doesn't help actually getting any enhancements in17:20
itsnotabigtrucke.g. that skype video bug is just embarassing17:20
admiral0i talked with alvaro, he just suggested workarounds17:20
admiral0my answer was a kilometric rant. (i doubt he even read it)17:21
DocScrutinizeradmiral0: search for a ticket about allowing user extensions on indicator LED, aka dbus-send dest:mce17:22
DrGrovThat bug #584 seems to be reopened17:22
_MeeGoBot_Bug enh, High, ---, ext-risto.lahti, REOP, Add API to add custom pages to meegotouchhome17:22
DocScrutinizerif there's any, it's probably WONTFIX or even INVALID17:22
admiral0i even proposed to do work under NDA under any license17:22
admiral0FOR FREE17:22
admiral0DrGrov: guess who repoened it17:23
DrGrovadmiral0: You?17:23
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: Comment 2 Lavanya 2012-01-10 10:42:53 EET < Lavanya WONTFIXed it without actually understanding the request17:23
DrGrovadmiral0: That is just plain stupid not to implement the possibility to add custom pages17:23
admiral0i agree17:23
DrGrovThat should be a mandatory thing from the beginning already17:24
DocScrutinizerthere's such a truckload of plain stupid regressions from fremantle to HARM, not any rationale for it17:24
DrGrovHow is it with Skype? Does it clutter up the whole damn contacts section?17:24
itsnotabigtruckerm, hold on17:24
itsnotabigtruckisn't meegotouchhome open source17:24
admiral0itsnotabigtruck: flash nows: NOPE17:24
itsnotabigtrucki have the source package right here in the big dvd data dump from nokia17:25
itsnotabigtruckfor 'meegotouchhome'17:25
admiral0meegotouchhome-nokia is closed17:25
DrGrovI hope at least that Skype will be fixed so that there is a possibility to get away the syncing with the own contacts. I hate this, that is why I have not used Skype at all because it creates a fucking mess without no ending17:25
admiral0it uses parts from nemo's meegotouchhome as external lib17:26
itsnotabigtruckdamn. > Binary: meegotouchhome, meegotouchhome-l10n-engineering-english, meegotouchhome-dbg, libmeegotouchhome0, libmeegotouchhome0-dbg, libmeegotouchhome-dev, libmeegotouchhome-doc, meegotouchhome-tests17:26
itsnotabigtruckyeah, meegotouchhome-nokia isn't there17:26
DrGrovOh sorry, I disturbed in the middle of itsnotabigtruck and admiral0 discussion.17:27
DrGrovJust continue, I will interestingly listen :)17:27
admiral0all the UX is closed crap17:27
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itsnotabigtruckand DrGrov: unless pr1.2beta has it fixed don't get your hopes up17:27
itsnotabigtrucki think there was an enhancement request to remember filters by types in contacts17:27
itsnotabigtrucki don't understand why every single contacts program that tries to combine from different sources makes this same mistake17:28
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: No worries, I can live without Skype on my phone and as a matter of fact anywhere else as well :)17:28
itsnotabigtruckif i'm making a phone call, no, i don't want to lump every single facebook/twitter/email/skype/xmpp user into a list17:28
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: I just thought about it.. If my drop down menu status is Offline that means I avoid these additional account bs?17:29
itsnotabigtruckit would make a lot more sense to be able to add im/social network ids to normal contact entries17:29
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: Yes, it becomes too cluttered. No way to distinguish any contacts at all then :/17:30
DrGrovYeah, that I would think is better.17:30
itsnotabigtruckso that i could enter e.g. Joe Skyper, with skype as #1 and phone as #217:30
itsnotabigtruckand if i dial joe skyper it attempts skype if possible, then tries phone otherwise17:30
itsnotabigtruckit's not a very complicated concept but nothing does that, afaik17:30
DrGrovYeah, that would make perfect sense. One person with multiple entries and a prioritized arrangement what happens first etc.17:31
DrGrovHow is it with all these nice tweaks & customizations with PR 1.1 such as IPSMagic, ProfileMatic... Will they work on PR 1.2 or will Aegis somehow intervene and disable the features?17:32
DrGrovOr how do you guys develop these apps?17:32
admiral0as soon as i have time (lol, easy to say that) i want to try to replace  wm and desktop from harmattan with nemo17:32
DocScrutinizeryeah, exactly ;-P17:32
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: well, going by the above lps-magic works by fooling around with the operator logo17:33
itsnotabigtruckso assuming nokia leaves that alone it's not a probem17:33
admiral0gconf magic17:33
DrGrovOk, good to hear :) I have not yet tested any but I will downloads the .deb files and test :)17:34
admiral0i still don't have released source for lpsmagic17:34
admiral0but as it's a python script you can look in the deb17:35
DrGrovBut one thing even if there is problems is the wonderful community and help we N9 users get from you more experienced users17:35
admiral0DocScrutinizer: are you a qt pro?17:35
DocScrutinizernot at all17:36
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damaltorDrGrov: if you want skype people filtered, vote here:
_MeeGoBot_Bug 668 enh, Highest, ---, ext-risto.lahti, ASSI, Add a PERSISTING filter for the contacts app, to let the user select if he wants to see skype/icq/..17:45
DrGrovThanks damaltor17:45
damaltori hate that too17:45
DrGrovI was hoping that Skype people would not even be included in Contacts app at all.17:45
DrGrovJust in the app itself17:46
phakoDrGrov: there is no skype app17:46
DrGrovYes, I know but I was hoping there would be a separate Skype app and just get rid of this contact syncing thing17:46
DrGrovThat is the only reason I have not enabled it because it annoys the living hell out of me17:46
damaltorwell, i dont have a big problem with that, as some of my skype contacts are people i have phone numbers from, so i can merge them. but i dont want them all to show up in there if i dont want it17:46
damaltorif i cklick the skype app (which is essentially only a filter over the contacts app), thats enough. same should happen for icq and msn and stuff17:47
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ZogG_laptop - what can be wrong here? component can't get the results17:52
ZogG_laptopdate /body are empty17:53
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ZogG_laptopwhile if i use textpost instead of loader it's fine17:56
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ntadejHi, I'm trying to flash my N950, but I get "Devicelock ON: cannot flash unsigned image" error. Autolock is disabled (checked 4 times).18:44
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djszapiSput kdelibs 4.8 is already in arch stable ;-)18:57
Sputdjszapi: another 0day release for us as well, although of course we use testing for something like this, not stable18:58
djszapiyes, it was in testing for few days18:59
Sputin Gentoo we also provide packaging for git versions of KDE/Qt, so the packages have already received testing and are basically finished by the time the official tarballs are released upstream18:59
djszapialthough, I would not like to mess up with testing repositories, so that is not possible for me as an installation source for packages.18:59
Sputthen we immediately bump into testing19:00
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Sputstable has much stricter rules than on other distros, so it will take a few months until 4.8 shows up in there19:00
Sputbut desktop users are not the target group for stable anyway19:00
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djszapiSput: linux-3.2.2 :)19:02
djszapigcc 4.6.219:03
Sputsame here.19:03
Sputyou can't impress me with such numbers :P19:03
djszapifrom stable ?19:04
Sputno, since these things are not stable yet19:04
Sputbleeding edge != stable19:04
Sputgcc 4.6.2 still has issues with several packages, for example, such as grub19:04
Sputso we're not letting it loose on users that rely on the system being rockstable19:05
itsnotabigtruckthe contact merging thing isn't a bad idea, in theory19:05
Sputalso, we have this 30 day policy for stable (package must have been in testing for at least 30 days without open bugs)19:05
itsnotabigtruckwhoops, scrolled up19:05
djszapiSput: that is the main difference. I do not need to mess up with a full testing repository.19:05
djszapigrub works fine here with this gcc apparently.19:06
Sputdjszapi: yeah, my grub works fine as well19:06
Sputbut apparently there are some corner cases19:06
itsnotabigtruckdo you mean *mess with19:06
Sputalso, "Gentoo testing" is probably at least as stable as Arch stable19:06
Sputit's not like bleeding, for that we have overlays19:06
nix-cyrusdjszapi: because we don't need build grub from source I think)19:07
Sputif you want to run current software on the desktop, testing is more appropriate for you than stable, and yet it won't usually break19:07
djszapinix-cyrus: packagers need.19:07
Sputmaybe the grub issue was fixed in 4.6.2 even, I haven't had a look at the list of current blocker for gcc stabilization19:07
djszapioh sure arch could have an "old-times" repository ;-)19:08
SputI'm running testing anyway, so I don't care much about stable19:08
SputI personally think the branches in Gentoo are misnamed, "testing" should be "stable" and "stable" should be "debian"19:08
djszapiwe have archserver for superstable purposes though.19:08
itsnotabigtruckyou can't have stable without stale19:08
Sputbut I can see the use case for stable, if you run a source distro on say a server you want to reduce rebuilds and not bump to every version19:09
Sputand on the desktop, just run testing, it is stable and uptodate19:09
djszapigo for archserver.19:09
Sputthat said, I am really not criticizing Arch, if I ever have to run a binary distro again, I will probably try it out again... but for my own purposes, I prefer the flexibility of a source distro19:11
Sputand for work I'm pretty much forced to use kubuntu19:11
Sputbtw, gcc 4.6 with -march=native for i7 makes a noticeable speed difference to older versions of gcc and generic architecture packages19:12
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Sputthat's one of the biggest downsides of binary distros, you don't get packages optimized for your cpu architecture19:12
djszapiimho, it is more dangerous to use old softwares in certain cases if we are speaking about the stability because new versions (inside the same major version) might bring serious bugfixes. It happened once on opensuse with an ati driver bug, and everybody updated to the bugfix release, but them.19:12
Sputdjszapi: I fully agree, I never understood why some people think "old == stable"19:13
itsnotabigtruckit's a real shame that binary distros don't split amd64/i386 into several subarchitectures19:13
Sputdjszapi: as I said earlier, the target groups of Gentoo and Arch are pretty much the same :)19:13
itsnotabigtruckpeople say "omg source distros are optimized for /your/ distro" but in all honesty there's very little difference between e.g. westmere and sandy bridge, or whatnot19:13
Sputwe prefer rolling releases and uptodate software about old, "stable"19:13
itsnotabigtruck*/your/ cpu19:13
Sputitsnotabigtruck: there is a huge difference between "generic amd64" and "i7"19:14
Clinthow huge?19:14
itsnotabigtruckbut there needs to be e.g. nehalem and better, c2 and better, and generic19:14
itsnotabigtruckfor what it's worth i tried arch a while back and it was pretty neat, but my goal was to set up selinux and that wasn't so hot19:15
itsnotabigtrucksince it's only implemented through a bunch of unofficial aur packages and the basic policy doesn't work at all on arch19:16
djszapithat is never gonna be nifty.19:16
SputClint: look at for example19:16
Sputdon't have time to look for the other benchmarks right now19:16
itsnotabigtruckalso it's pretty obnoxious how in theory arch is a binary distro, but a *huge* chunk of what one would want is in AUR only19:17
Sputapparently, the new i7 instruction sets can make a huge difference, of course as always that depends on the application19:17
Sput(where "huge" means "double the performance")19:17
Sputand that's compared to core2, not to speak about "generic amd64" which is what binary distros usually have19:17
Sputand for a real usecase: friend of mine had a HTPC that ran some binary distro, wasn't able to play HD video without lag and stutter19:18
itsnotabigtrucksput: fyi AVX is sandy bridge+19:18
itsnotabigtrucki7 can be one of 3 different generations, and there's another coming out soon19:18
Sputinstalled Gentoo on the same hardware and everything was smooth19:18
itsnotabigtrucksandy bridge is the newest19:19
djszapiitsnotabigtruck: I almost never use AUR, and I am a pretty hard core developer.19:19
Sputitsnotabigtruck: yes, it's what I have on this laptop :)19:19
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: because what you need to be a "hard core developer" (>_>) is actually pretty mainstream stuff19:19
itsnotabigtruckbut then you want, say, a jabber daemon19:19
djszapiand what people need might go into the official over 10 votes anyway.19:19
itsnotabigtruckand you have to resort to aur19:19
djszapiso your stuff did not get 10 votes, so why bother ?19:20
itsnotabigtrucki'm used to debian where EVERYTHING is in the repo, ready to install19:20
itsnotabigtruckand there's even a pretty ncurses interface for apt19:20
djszapiI would argue about everything in the repo, because our project is not, but ok..19:21
djszapiand available almost anywhere else.19:21
itsnotabigtruckmight be a good idea to see about filing an ITP bug and going through the relevant bureaucracy then19:23
djszapiwhy ?19:23
djszapieverybody could manage it, but them. We do not support debian users then. :P19:23
itsnotabigtruckbecause that gets you into the repo of the single most popular desktop distro, for one19:23
djszapiI do not care about debian support too much especially. If there are users over there complaining, then I will.19:25
itsnotabigtruckif you aren't in the ubuntu repos then you're missing out on an opportunity for potential users to find out about it19:26
itsnotabigtruckand by "single most popular desktop distro" i mean ubuntu19:26
itsnotabigtruck(by migration from debian unstable)19:26
djszapinot really.19:27
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djszapiIf I need something, I do not care where it comes from.19:27
itsnotabigtruckbut maybe prospective users don't know they need it yet19:27
djszapiwell, I use google more than my package manager for such questions what I need, really :D19:27
tommawhat are you talking about?19:27
tommaargue about linux distros?19:28
Sputitsnotabigtruck: apparently, Linux Mint is more popular than *buntu these days19:28
Sputthey're bleeding users with all their UX experimentation19:28
itsnotabigtrucksput: well, mint is just an ubuntu rebranding though19:30
itsnotabigtruckwell, not just, but you get the point19:30
tommaatleast i am happy with gentoo... kde team has their own layout which has new packages then there is qting-edge layout which has new Qt packages and if i need some custom package which cant be found in any layout then writing .ebuild for it takes few minutes19:32
djszapiSput: oopsie, the pacman4 update broke some thingie :)19:34
* Sput wanders off, KDE release party19:35
Arkenoidoes vcardconverter work with more than one contact per file?19:44
djszapitry it19:45
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tommawhy couldn't they make it possible to import multiple vcards in Contacts... well atleast one could do19:52
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tommafirst time i flashed n950 i didn't have them synced to google... but i was smart and imported them as vcards... i was annoying to import one by one all those files19:53
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infobot , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or, or
infobot[infobot] happy19:58
infobotboing boing boing20:02
infobotit has been said that sleep is overrated, and a poor substitute for caffeine.20:03
RST38hHa. Made it think.20:03
itsnotabigtruckalso lol @ the comic link for ~aegis20:03
ZogG_laptopif i have html text to display as listview element, should i use text or webelemnt20:04
itsnotabigtruckthough locking up *my* techology is fun, it's when somebody else does so that it isn't so great20:04
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: well, how complicated is the html20:05
ZogG_laptopas webview looks fine, but not native, while text is fine, but the problem is the images, it loads them and width property do now work for them20:05
itsnotabigtrucki think text is only for very simple formatting like bold, color, etc.20:05
itsnotabigtruckyou probably don't want to load a zillion instances of webkit inside your listview20:05
ZogG_laptopso text?20:05
ZogG_laptopthe text is fine, the problem is the images inside20:06
itsnotabigtruckmaybe you can take the image out of the html formatting20:06
itsnotabigtruckhow about putting a panel of some sort in the listview20:06
ZogG_laptopi grab formatting as it is20:06
itsnotabigtruckwhich contains an image next to text20:06
ZogG_laptopcan't i just format that image inside ?20:07
ZogG_laptopi mean set the property as to scale and width and so on?20:08
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ZogG_laptopimage just keep getting out of item20:10
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tommaZogG_laptop, in image you need to use sourceWidth and sourceHeight20:13
npmso no skype for the lumia, but it works on the n950 meego>wp720:14
tommaif you need real size of image20:14
ZogG_laptoptomma: those are images inside text20:14
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ZogG_laptopi get posts, the format is html20:14
ZogG_laptopso i use them in listview20:15
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tommaand you use pure html in Text item?20:15
ZogG_laptopi tried webview but 1) formay different, 2) i have a least 10 items20:15
tommawell you could parse it as xml if it is xhtml20:16
RST38hBTW, Elop is now blaming marketing for the low sales20:16
RST38hSays marketing people are all morons20:16
itsnotabigtruckRST38h: of N9, or in general20:16
ZogG_laptoptomma: its pure html, posts from tumblr20:17
itsnotabigtruckwell, to be fair nokia's marketing is pretty fubar20:17
ZogG_laptopn9 was sold good - so i think the problem is in the phone20:17
itsnotabigtruckthey're taking a mid-90s approach to sales, it's 201220:17
RST38hThere is only so much you can do to sell a lemon20:17
RST38h(andI do not mean N9, however halfbaked N9 is, it is a little wonder when compared to Lumia)20:18
tommamarketing? giving free lumia for expensive 2year subscription is marketing?20:18
itsnotabigtruckRST38h: but it's not a lemon compared to the other wp units...but they keep pulling all this regional marketing bullshit20:18
itsnotabigtruckeverything is segmented by country in a world where that's pretty irrelevant20:18
RST38hIf all WP7 units use the same software, they are all lemons20:19
RST38hTried using it?20:19
itsnotabigtruckRST38h: no, but i do have a zune hd, which has a rather similar UI20:20
itsnotabigtruckwhich is quite solid20:21
itsnotabigtruckthe problem with WP7 is the gimped programming environment20:21
itsnotabigtruckbut that isn't a factor for joe median20:21
RST38hYeah, it is like zune with a sim card20:21
RST38hIt is very very solid. Like a brick.20:21
RST38hCan't even play videos20:22
itsnotabigtruckwhat? of course it can play video20:22
RST38hOnly wmv ones20:22
ZogG_laptopRST38h: what you say about mircosoft making there own linux distro?20:23
RST38hit does let you convert on copy, but the process takes an hour or so (Core i7 CPU) and the result is kinda smeary20:23
RST38hZogG: Should I say anything?20:23
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itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: are you sure about that? the actual zune can play h.264 and xvid too20:23
itsnotabigtrucki'd be really surprised if they didn't have at least h.264 on wp720:23
RST38hCan't play videos, can't read ebooks, can't attach as USB storage, can't use any other web browser but the ancient IE, and their app store has got fewer useful apps than Harmattan's Ovi20:24
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: you talking to wrong guy20:24
itsnotabigtruckerm, right20:24
itsnotabigtruck^ RST38h :p20:24
RST38hAh, btw, you would think this thing can at least play music decently?20:24
ZogG_laptopRST38h: the usb storage was funny thing as microsoft takes money from android for it =)20:24
RST38hBut no, Harmattan's music player is way better20:24
RST38hWP7's is..well...somewhat unfinished20:25
RST38hOh, wait, have I forgotten? NO GAMES.20:26
RST38hThe only decent game in the store, it seems, is the Angry Birds.20:26
djszapiRST38h: I am just about to push one :p20:27
RST38hdjszapi; written in C#, I am sure?20:28
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itsnotabigtruckRST38h: from what i've heard, WP7 actually has a pretty solid selection of games20:33
itsnotabigtruckthe app store in general isn't so great, but there's games20:33
itsnotabigtruckthanks to ms being able to lean on xbox publishers20:33
ZogG_laptoptomma: so any other ideas?20:33
itsnotabigtruckwhereas harmattan pretty much just has angry birds20:33
RST38hitsnot: I can name you at least 10 decent harmattan games. Can you do the same for wp7?20:34
itsnotabigtruckwell no, because i don't actually pay that much attention to it since i don't own one20:34
itsnotabigtruckbut i could use some more games on my N9, so shoot :p20:34
ZogG_laptopRST38h: they got soundhound =\20:35
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itsnotabigtruckalso looking at the WP7 store, i'm seeing an awful lot of xbl-integrated games20:35
djszapiRST38h: yes, but very simple game :p20:36
djszapiwhat games do you guys advise for Harmattan by the way ?20:36
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nid0I wish I could suggest checkers but the ai's so appauling its not even worth playing :<20:38
ZogG_laptopangrybirds =P20:38
RST38hAngry Birds, Galaxy On Fire, Need For Speed, EA Golf, Monopoly, StackIt!, GT Racing, Protoxide, WoR, Dalton, RipOff, IncredibleCircus20:39
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: X-speed actually cool game, gravity guy, samurai220:39
djszapiRST38h: I do not like accelerometer input for AB20:40
djszapifor NFS, sorry.20:40
RST38hthen do not use accelerometer input20:41
itsnotabigtruckRST38h: eh, the 1st 3 were made pretty much to show off the phone :p but fair enough20:41
itsnotabigtruckbut you probably got most of the high quality games on that list20:42
itsnotabigtruckwp7 has a *lot* more20:42
RST38hitsnot: they are not games? they are unplayable?20:45
RST38hwp7 does not even have these, sorry20:45
RST38hand never will, unless Microsoft opens native development20:45
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djszapiRST38h: is there other option for NFS ?20:49
trxi got my lumia800 today, is there *anything* interesting to do with it? :/20:50
SqRt7744trx, does it blend?20:50
trxexcept achaeology with IE..20:50
trxSqRt7744 not really20:50
trxits nothing like n900 or n95020:51
trxin any way20:51
SqRt7744trx, why did you get it?20:51
trxnokia gave it to me20:52
nid0well, its different - theres not much to generally dick around with on the 800 but its excellent to actually use, the n900/n9're great to dick about with, but less functional in a *lot* of ways20:52
itsnotabigtruckRST38h: as in, some of those were probably commissioned by nokia specifically to have some games to show off20:53
itsnotabigtruckwhich is why they're preloaded20:53
itsnotabigtruckwp7 has a looooong list of games from major studios, look at the list20:53
RST38hdjszapi: You said AB, not NFS20:53
djszapi20:40 < djszapi> for NFS, sorry. -> :P20:54
RST38hfor NFS, there used to be a virtual controller, and the accelerometer was optional. Dunno how it works in the latest versions.20:54
RST38hitsnot: Who cares?20:54
RST38hnid0: how is it excellent to actually use, when it has IE for a browser?20:54
RST38hnid0: and I cannot delete an email account I have just added?20:55
RST38hnid0: and I can't watch a movie?20:55
nid0more's the point, when is IE on wp7 actually a problem rather than something just to piss and whine about?20:55
RST38hnid0: and the music is sorted by artist names, and the cover art never ever appears?20:55
djszapiRST38h: I have never seen anything else than accelerometer based control in NFS since the early beta days on Harmattan.20:55
RST38hnid0: does not render some pages well, does not show google mobile apps correctly (well, some), hard to read20:56
RST38hnid0: Harmattan's browser is doing a much better job, ironically (I know how many people are pissed about it)20:56
trxi agree20:57
itsnotabigtruckRST38h: it means it's not sustainable20:57
RST38hitsnot: If you have decided not to sell the device, developing for it is not going to be sustainable, yes20:57
itsnotabigtruckyour assertion is that harmattan has more quality games than wp720:58
nid0personally i've never seen any particular problems with either browser, the only thing that irritates me with wp7's is that the "default to desktop view" option doesnt properly mask the user-agent, so sites run by shitface webmasters can ignore it and present you a mobile site20:58
itsnotabigtruckwp7 has lots of publishers on board with major games20:58
itsnotabigtruckharmattan has a few one-offs20:58
RST38hitsnot: The fun part though, is when you DO decide to sell the device, but develping for it STILL isn'tsustainable20:58
itsnotabigtruckthat doesn't make wp7 better than harmattan20:58
itsnotabigtruckwp7 is a bigger platform, bigger platforms have more games and stuff20:58
RST38hitsnot: Like, if your device is programmed in a totally different language that also has performance limitations20:58
itsnotabigtruckbut it does mean wp7 has more games20:58
RST38hitsnot: well, replace "have" with "supposed to have"20:59
itsnotabigtruckand right, but xna also makes it easier to build games in the first place20:59
RST38hitnot: once you do this substitution you will see that it means nothing20:59
itsnotabigtruckthis is just apoligism20:59
itsnotabigtruckanyway, i need some lunch20:59
itsnotabigtrucki think that was muphry's law kicking in there just now20:59
* RST38h won't go into explaining how large companies like EA have got all the code already written and will not invest intorewriting it in a different language and solving all the perf issues21:00
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DrGrovEvening again guys & gals21:00
DrGrovHow was the easiest way to install ex. IPSMagic?21:00
itsnotabigtruckRST38h: and those large companies consider it to be worth it if wp7 takes off21:00
itsnotabigtruckn9 can't take off21:00
itsnotabigtruckno one bothers to port to n9 because it's a tiny portion of the marketshare21:00
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: i think there's easier ways but that does the trick21:01
nid0the rate wp7's marketplace numbers are skyrocketing suggest a lot of devs are happy that it *has* taken off21:01
itsnotabigtruckdo that from develsh21:02
RST38hitsnot: forget n9. everybody is porting to Android.21:02
RST38hitsnot: which supports native development.21:02
itsnotabigtruckRST38h: right, and they're not porting to N9 from there21:02
RST38hitsnot: wp7 is simply not a player21:02
RST38hitsnot: both EA and Gameloft are21:03
itsnotabigtrucki've argued your side before in the past21:03
itsnotabigtruckbut what you're not taking into account is that wp7 has momentum21:03
itsnotabigtruckeven with its gimped programming environment21:03
RST38hitsnot: I do not care what imaginary entities wp7 "has"21:03
itsnotabigtrucksure, everybody is porting to android21:03
itsnotabigtruckbut we were talking about harmattan21:04
RST38hitsnot: I will believe it is viable when it is viable21:04
itsnotabigtruckand harmattan, as cool as it may be, doesn't have momentum21:04
itsnotabigtruckelop has made sure of that21:04
RST38hRight now, wp7 is a sad little brick that can't even compare with Harmattan21:04
RST38hAnd Harmattan isn't exactly the pinnacle of usability, you know21:04
ieatlintwp7 sales aren't actually doing that well..21:05
ieatlintit doesn't have momentum21:05
RST38hno shit Sherlock21:05
itsnotabigtruckwell, it has more momentum than harmattan21:05
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: Can I specify where I download that .deb file when I use wget?21:05
itsnotabigtruckbecause harmattan has none :p21:05
RST38hitsnot: Again, forget about harmattan21:05
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: yeah, using -O21:05
ieatlintand the wp7 marketplace arguably only increased in size at the rate it did because the mango software release added crazy things like network sockets21:05
itsnotabigtrucknormally it downloads to the current directory21:05
ieatlintand then suddenly there was a lot more low hanging fruit to write apps for21:05
itsnotabigtruckso you might as well just cd somewhere first21:05
RST38hitsnot: You are repeating "harmattan harmattan" as if it were something to measure success by21:05
RST38hitsnot: compare to Android instead21:06
itsnotabigtruckRST38h: because we were talking about games, on harmattan21:06
itsnotabigtrucklots of stuff on android doesn't help any of us21:06
itsnotabigtruck(assuming we're all using n950 or n9 as main phones)21:06
RST38hitsnot: I said "*even* harmattan"21:06
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: Ok, I cd to /Download then and get it there. Can I remove the .deb file after I have installed it?21:06
RST38hDo you really want me to compare wp7 to Android? :)21:06
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: yup, just rm it21:06
ieatlintactually the opengl base for games in harmattan is comparable to android's, which is why things like gof2 and need for speed were in the n9 launch21:06
DrGrovSure, will rm it afterwards. That does sound quite straight forward actually.21:07
djszapiRST38h: do you still developer for Android ?21:07
itsnotabigtruckRST38h: well, it's obvious that android and the iphone are both far ahead of anything else21:07
RST38hdjszapi: yes.21:07
ieatlintthere is porting required, but nothing on the scale you'd see with porting to wp721:07
DrGrovI wonder, I put my data transfer to be used when neccessary? Does it automatically pick it up when I do sudo apt-get update?21:07
itsnotabigtruckso it's fairly obvious that android has way more stuff than wp721:07
djszapiRST38h: platform or application side ?21:07
itsnotabigtruckand anything else that's not the iphone21:07
djszapi(if I may ask)21:07
RST38hdjszapi: apps21:07
ieatlintitsnotabigtruck: if nokia actually told us how many n9s were sold, i think it would put the lumias to shame21:07
RST38hdjszapi: I have seen the platform, but not paid to work on it21:08
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: i don't think so, so connect it first21:08
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: Shouldn't there by some other command after the "apt-get install -f install" ?21:08
itsnotabigtruckalso you can delete the deb after the dpkg -i step21:08
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: Sure, I will turn it on first then.21:08
djszapiRST38h: do you think there is a C++ development inside the platform ?21:08
RST38hieatlint: apparently something like 1.4m N9s against 1.3m Lumias21:08
djszapisomewhere at least.21:08
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: So dpkg - i is actually already installing it?21:08
RST38hdjszapi: there is, I know it, just had to resolve an issue related to it, for a friend at work21:08
ieatlintRST38h: sounds about what i'd expect21:08
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: yeah, the steps go 1. update the package list from nokia servers, 2. install wget, so that you can 3. download the deb, 4. install the deb, 5. install the dependencies needed to make the deb work, 6. reboot so lpsmagic starts21:09
djszapiRST38h: need to consider the future job. :)21:09
DrGrovAnd it does run automatically without me needing to do anything after the reboot?21:09
RST38hdjszapi: if you are so choosy that you absolutely want to do C++, stay away from Android21:09
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: yup. but it takes about 1.5mins to start after the reboot21:09
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: I do understand the steps and commands. Do I need to make my screen idle time longer then from 30 sec before it activates screen lock?21:10
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: I just wondered since the command nr. 5 looked like it is missing something :)21:10
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: nope, just reboot and leave it be21:10
djszapiRST38h: why do you suggest so ?21:10
itsnotabigtruckwhen lpsmagic kicks in, the touch screen will stop responding for about half a second21:10
RST38hdjszapi: Because Android people follow the principle "whatever works"21:10
itsnotabigtruckif you were using the phone at the time21:10
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: So even if I have lock screen enabled within 30 seconds it kicks in automatically when the screen already is in idle mode?21:11
RST38hdjszapi: they do not do things "right", they do things randomly, being led by whatever ideas they have got from their universty classes and entry level jobs21:11
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: whenever you're on the lock screen (the dark one with the clock) it's active21:11
itsnotabigtrucktimeout doesn't matter21:11
RST38hdjszapi; if you are ok with it (I am), there is no problem21:12
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: Yes, the one with clock. I just wondered if It locks automatically before than 1.5 min has passed21:12
RST38hOtherwise, stay away from Android platform.21:12
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: Idiot questions I know :D21:12
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itsnotabigtruckDrGrov:'ll show lpsmagic whenever it would go to the screen with the clock21:12
itsnotabigtrucknot sure what your question is21:12
RST38hThe applications API (i.e. Android Java API) is basically Symbian reimplemented in Java.21:12
djszapiRST38h: Rovio invited me, but I would probably lose my Gluon project as a "concurence" for them. On the other hand, I do not like how they build games.21:12
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: Ok, no problem then :) I just wondered to ask since you said it takes about 1.5 min before it kicks in21:13
djszapiconcurrence*, qt5 and Nokia are also nice opportunities. :)21:13
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: ohhh...well, by "kick in" i meant it finishing loading21:13
RST38hdjszapi: That is apps, not platform. And you mean you do not like how they fill themselves with beer and then record their own burping to be used in games? =)21:13
SpeedEvilDo not criticise Rovio. People who do have been found dead in unsolved drive-by catapultings.21:13
itsnotabigtruckit takes about 1.5mins for it to become active, then, whenever you're at the clock screen, you get lpsmagic21:13
itsnotabigtruckSpeedEvil: haha21:14
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: Ok :) I got it now :) I am probably already at lock screen before it becomes active. That is how I mean21:14
djszapiRST38h: they do not have a good development and distribution platform underneath21:14
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: Is it possible to change that clock screen somehow? I have digital now but is lpsmagic suitable for analog clock as well?21:15
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: no's admiral0's project so ping him when he's on21:16
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: Sure, will do :)21:16
itsnotabigtrucklpsmagic messes with the operator logo area21:16
itsnotabigtrucki don't think there's a way to actually do anything to the clock21:16
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: I am not sure if I should install it yet then before I know the minor details21:16
DrGrovBut that clock is not controlled from elsewhere? If I have the standard lock screen I have the digital clock, can that not be changed to be an analog clock as well?21:17
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: well, it works, and it's cool, so install it :D it's written in python so try unzipping the deb and reading the source21:17
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: Well it is definitely cool since it would give me the possibility to monitor the battery level more easy, finally get % to show how much is left :)21:18
DrGrovI became used to that from the iPhone 4, % is my way to monitor battery level. Makes me sleep better21:18
DrGrovWhat does apt-get -f install actually mean? LOL21:20
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: fix broken package dependencies21:20
DrGrovthe -f flag is meaning what?21:20
DrGrovAh, ok :)21:20
DrGrovAnd it will then install those as necessary without needing to specify which ones?21:20
DrGrovGreat, then I shall install it right now :)21:21
itsnotabigtrucki think an alternate way of doing it using pkgmgr install-file -f was being discussed earlier21:21
DrGrovI gotta remember to turn off devmode afterwards though, hate to see me mess around too much afterwards :D21:21
RST38hdjszapi: why would you care?21:21
RST38hdjszapi: if you are going to code?21:21
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: turning off dev mode doesn't actually turn it off21:21
itsnotabigtruckit just hides the terminal and stuff21:21
itsnotabigtruckbut there's no reason not to leave it on21:21
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: No I know but yes, hiding the terminal is good :)21:21
djszapiRST38h: because I would not like to reinvent the wheel, but work on a common platform for the script writers.21:22
itsnotabigtruckcome on, the terminal is half the reason you bought this thing :D21:22
DrGrovOf course it is but I dare not touch it too much :D21:22
DrGrovBefore I reboot I can delete that .deb?=21:23
djszapiSput: yes, it was the Daniel Robbins afair. He was kicked out, and many and the sensible people followed him (left).21:23
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RST38hHere is the really informative article:
DrGrovapt-get update does not work. How do I get root?21:31
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DrGrovI can not do apt-get update in order to go and get lpsmagic.21:32
DrGrovI need to be root for this, yes?21:32
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nix-cyrusDrGrov: devel-su then rootme I think.. if you talking about terminal on N9)21:33
DrGrovnix-cyrus: Thanks, I will try. Yes, terminal on N9.21:34
nix-cyrusDrGrov: rootme is default password21:34
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djszapidoes the SoundEffect component work for anybody ?21:36
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Arkenoihaha, n950 is incredible when it comes to show off. "got a new Nokia? haven't seen ones like that, when was it released? -- it wasn't" ;-)21:45
nid0some people are easily impressed though, I still get a lot of comments whenever I have my E90 on me, thats 5 years old now21:49
DrGrovDamn this21:51
DrGrovThe last step, apt-get -f install as root, does not let me continue to install the missing deps for lsmagic. It just cancels.21:51
djszapiwhat is the precise message ?21:52
DrGrovIt says "Canceled".21:52
DrGrovIt tries to install the missing deps and I press J for Yes in Swedish and just "Canceled" turns up21:52
djszapiprobably the whole output would help more.21:52
DrGrovIs the ls-magic package already installed when I have done dpkg - i ls-magic_1.1_armel.deb?21:52
djszapidepends on if the prodecure was successful or not.21:53
Arkenoie90 was damn great, but symbian s60 was real crap21:53
DrGrovAny better command to use to install the ls-magic_1.1_armel.deb so it automatically picks up the deps as well?21:54
Arkenoii wish n950 had the keyboard size of e9021:54
* Arkenoi knows several people who still use e90 because there is no other device like that and probably will never be21:55
DrGrovIt complained about missing deps when I did dpkg - i ls-magic_1.1_armel.deb but according to itsnotabigtruck the apt-get -f install should pick up them for me instantly21:55
djszapinot neccesarily.21:55
djszapidepends on that if they are available inside the repository.21:55
itsnotabigtrucknid0: the e90 is still cool21:56
DrGrovIt tells me it will pick those packages from the repository, it tells me 20.8 Mb will be used after getting the libraries21:56
itsnotabigtruckit's a damn shame it never had a proper successor21:56
itsnotabigtruckthe e7 is a joke21:56
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: these dependencies are available inside the repository however21:56
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: just do it21:56
itsnotabigtruckit should be a bunch of python stuff21:57
itsnotabigtruckif you have a low data cap make sure you're on wifi or something first21:57
DrGrovIt does not do it21:57
DrGrovSimple as that21:57
djszapiDrGrov: why don't you provide the console log to us for the first asking ?21:58
nid0Arkenoi thats basically why I still carry mine around at times, i'm yet to find anything that comes close to an e90 + profimail for mail access on the go21:59
DrGrovdjszapi: What do you want then? A bit difficult to post the console log when I can barely see the damn thing21:59
DrGrovBut yes, I try my best to get it21:59
djszapiI would like to have the full console log for being able to maybe help you with this.22:00
DrGrovDo I need to have the background data option turned on all the time for this? I have it turned off so I manually connect but could it be so that it turns off too fast before I can initiate download?22:00
djszapithat would be weird.22:01
DrGrovdjszapi: I do apt-get -f install and it shows me a bunch of libraries it wants to install. I press Y to continue with the install and then the next output is only Canceled and I get thrown back to prompt.22:01
DrGrovSo I do not understand what is the problem22:01
djszapime neither without seeing what it writes.22:02
minimecDrGrov: I had that too, today. Simply pressing 'return', without choosing 'y' ('j' in my case), did the trick.22:03
DrGrovminimec: Ok, I will try that option now then :)22:04
DrGrovYes, that is the fucking spirit22:04
DrGrovWork my little minion22:04
minimecDrGrov: I was (and am) as surprised as you...22:05
djszapiwas the yes the default option ?22:05
DrGrovApparently :)22:05
minimecdjszapi: with apt-get install it is default 'Y/n'22:05
djszapimaybe there is a default bug there.22:06
DrGrovNow after this I delete the .deb? I can use Tab for auto-completion?22:07
Arkenoi(regarding showing off, still nothing compares to 9000i circa 1998. people looked at me like if i was time traveller)22:07
DrGrovIcan delete the .deb after installation?22:07
minimecDrGrov: deleting the deb will remove the program again ;)22:08
DrGrovYou sure about that?22:08
djszapideleting a debian file removes the installed program ?22:08
djszapithat is new to me ;)22:09
DrGrovIt is stored in root of course. I can do rm ls-magic_1.1_armel.deb yes correct? Same as any other Linux distro?22:09
minimecyeah... ;)22:09
DrGrovwTF? Stop giving me a heartattack :D LOL22:09
djszapiDrGrov: you can delete the debian file if you either have a backup or you do not care about it anymore.22:09
djszapiit is not any special.22:09
minimecDrGrov: Oh... deleting that way. Normally it should be in /var/apt/cache...22:10
DrGrovOk, now the following question... I can use wget to get for ex. a wallpaper from a server easily like that ?22:11
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DrGrovI can go into ˇ/MyDocs/Pictures and just use wget there to get it there the wallpaper?22:11
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DrGrovGood, thanks :)22:12
djszapias user or developer22:12
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djszapifor sure.22:13
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DrGrovWhat was the image size now again? 480 x 854 yes?22:13
DrGrovCan I save a wallpaper as .png and the N9 recognizes it and uses it properly? OR does it have to be .png ?22:13
djszapiyes, that was it22:14
djszapifix your question22:14
djszapiyou can always try, but what is wrong about png ?22:14
DrGrovOk, I hope .png files work to set as wallpaper22:15
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: you'll find using SSH is a lot more convenient22:15
itsnotabigtruckstart the sdk connectivity tool, pick wlan, ssh into your phone's ip, port 22, username developer, and what it gives you for the password22:16
itsnotabigtruckthat way you can also copy and paste the apt output to e.g. https://crypty.ch22:16
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itsnotabigtruckalso if i remember correctly, if you download your wallpaper to ~/MyDocs/Pictures/Wallpaper, the wallpaper won't be shown with your photos22:17
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DrGrovI got it working from Gallery to put wallpapers in ˇ/MyDocs/Pictures just22:17
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DrGrovAnyone using GIMP and can tell me a good way to get a additional centered in the middle of the screen?22:18
DrGrovI mean to center the layer in the middle of the image22:18
SqRt7744does anyone else get the annoying message about "Madde could not resolve dependency: RemoteLinux 2.4.0" when they start the SDK?22:19
djszapiVenemo: o/22:23
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DrGrovBefore I restart to get lpsmagic active can I disable developer mode before the restart?22:28
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: yeah, because as i mentioned before doing that doesn't actually change anything under the hood22:29
itsnotabigtruckbut if you removed aegis-developer-unknown-source-policy then you'd probably get a malf22:30
itsnotabigtruckso...don't do that22:30
DocScrutinizerwhy would you want to disable developer mode anyway?22:31
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer: because he doesn't like the idea of having the terminal icon there, or something22:32
admiral0no terminal - no go22:32
* RST38h yawns22:32
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Because I am worried to mess up something really bad22:32
admiral0i think i'll send to donors private betas of lpsmagic in C22:33
DrGrovI think actually I made a mistake to have "Allow background connections" as Off. I gotta have it on it seems. Especially now when I can monitor with lpsmagic the battery consumption in % instead :)22:33
DocScrutinizerjust don't do it then :-D22:33
RST38hDrGrov: Getting an iPhone is recommended =)22:34
DocScrutinizerit's not that hard to not open up terminal and not enter rm -rf / there22:34
DrGrovRST38h: I just had one but I got fucking irritated about it, too simple22:34
DrGrovRST38h: Absolutely nothing sexy time about it at all22:34
DrGrovSo after I fixed that I can now turn off developer mode before I do the actual restart?22:34
RST38hWP7 then!22:35
* RST38h laughs satanically22:35
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: yeah, you can turn dev mode off any time you want22:35
itsnotabigtruckjust reboot it22:35
DocScrutinizerDrGrov: yes, you probably can switch off developer mode any time you want, but it's not exactly recommended22:36
DocScrutinizeras you will have to switch it again on sooner or later, and switching it off doesn't really help anything except that one icon less on appstarter screen22:37
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DrGrovSo no security problems to have it enabled constantly?22:38
DocScrutinizernot really22:38
DrGrovOk, I will leave it on then.22:38
DrGrovNah, I do not use the terminal that much. Off it is. :D22:39
DrGrovDamn this, can not choose....22:39
DocScrutinizerit just allows you (or a potential malware) to download and install apps from sources other than Nokia. No such malware known yet, and unless YOU install it it won't get on your device anyway22:39
DocScrutinizerthink of it as "expert mode", not "reduced security developer mode"22:40
DocScrutinizerit's basically just there to allow Nokia to ship the GUI in a state where "normal dumbass user" wouldn't get confused by those scary terminal and other things22:41
DocScrutinizerimpact on the way the system works is minimal22:42
* admiral0 slaps RST38h22:43
admiral0you shall not talk about wp7 in vain22:43
admiral0you shall simply ignore it22:44
RST38hadmiral0: THOU SHALT22:48
admiral0i lost count of beers i drank22:49
admiral0so please don't call grammar nazis22:49
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itsnotabigtruckbtw what does MeeCatalog actually display package info from?23:13
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itsnotabigtrucki thought it was supposed to be an apt repository browser, but it shows a strange mix of nokia and store packages23:16
itsnotabigtruckincluding most of the ones i've uninstalled and a bunch that i haven't installed before23:16
itsnotabigtruckactually, i just realized those are the apps.formeego packages23:16
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itsnotabigtrucki don't understand why it's so common for apps to contain incorrect spelling and grammar23:48
itsnotabigtruckif it's worth coding, it's worth spell checking23:48
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