| artemma | thx | 00:00 |
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| vzp916 | hi | 00:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol, i just received a 100g package of tea that i ordered, and the box is way heavier than the actual product | 00:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hey vzp916 | 00:16 |
| vzp916 | never can get ssh to connect | 00:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what do you mean? | 00:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | make sure you're using port 22, username developer, the password shown by the sdk connect tool | 00:21 |
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| vzp916 | I tried to ssh user@Localhost | 00:22 |
| vzp916 | treks me cannot connect to port 22 | 00:22 |
| ieatlint | heh | 00:23 |
| ieatlint | localhost is case sensitive, and that would only work on the n9 (and why would you want to ssh in as user from the n9 to the n9?) | 00:24 |
| vzp916 | never had that before | 00:24 |
| vzp916 | from PC to N9 | 00:24 |
| ieatlint | should also be using the developer account to ssh into | 00:25 |
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| vsync_ | yo dawg we herd you like to ssh so we put an ssh into your ssh so you can ssh while you ssh | 00:25 |
| vzp916 | hm...fact is...I was able to do it before I reflashed to 1.1 | 00:26 |
| vzp916 | vsync..nice one | 00:26 |
| vsync_ | ty | 00:30 |
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| artemma | Hmm, InfoBanner is shown under my titlebar (just a rectangle actually). I thought InfoBanner is always on top of everything. Any hints? | 00:35 |
| artemma | aha, change to SystemBanner somehow helped | 00:36 |
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| trx | artemma i set its parent to top level component | 00:41 |
| trx | i had the same problem | 00:41 |
| artemma | I figured that SystemBanner works if I add it to Page level (not PageStackWindow) | 00:42 |
| artemma | and maybe order somehow matters | 00:42 |
| trx | yeah, its follows some wierd logic | 00:42 |
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| artemma | Is there a way for opening ovi store for a given app id? | 01:06 |
| artemma | opening just a url will leave an ugly empty browser window | 01:06 |
| artemma | maybe there's some special url scheme for ovi store? | 01:06 |
| * artemma wants to put into a free version a link for buying a Pro version of the app | 01:07 | |
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| * itsnotabigtruck laments the fact that most people here have gone commercial rather than exploiting their phones to the max | 01:32 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | and things like aegis make those mutually exclusive, because if you want to do cool stuff you can't go commercial | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why we all *love* HARM | 01:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: but the former part isn't nokia's fault | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're sure about that? | 01:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | people in general are treating it as a "monetization opportunity" and not a hacker platform | 01:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yah, otherwise we'd see people actually investigating and using open mode and stuff like that | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, it is no hacker platform, evidently | 01:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but people just don't really seem very interested | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | I couldn't be less interested in using HARM as a hacker platform, when even iPHone is a better hacker platform than HARM | 01:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not really, it's just that the iphone actually does have people exploiting it to the max | 01:36 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | every little ounce of capability gets used to do something cool, there's always a hack for that | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | :shrug: | 01:37 |
| * DocScrutinizer switches back to #maemo channel | 01:37 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | anything the iphone can do *could* be done on an N9, the problem is a) the unavoidable: not enough people for that | 01:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and b) the avoidable: not enough interest in that | 01:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | of course i'm not helping, i haven't built anything for the n9 yet | 01:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it takes more than one person anyway, and it seems like the vast majority of development is high level qml stuff | 01:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and not encryption software, vpn clients, custom kernels, what have you | 01:39 |
| ieatlint | i get the impession a lot of the people who had time to screw around on the n900 and such don't have the same time now | 01:39 |
| ieatlint | and that's part of the "issue" | 01:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: hm, good point | 01:40 |
| ieatlint | but yeah, aegis is crippling, and the fact that the repos are based pretty much entirely on ovi, so if you want real distribution you need to go through ovi | 01:41 |
| ieatlint | which is more restrictive than aegis, and keeps you on pr1.0 | 01:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but there is open mode, and it does work | 01:42 |
| ieatlint | there needs to be better docs on it.. not just tmo threads that i don't have time to go through 20 pages of | 01:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it does impose that stupid bootup warning, but a lot of the crippling is self-imposed | 01:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, and we need a 1 click installer forit | 01:43 |
| ieatlint | i'm still not even clear how easily i can return to a base image if i put openmode on a device | 01:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm pretty sure it's a matter of doing the same operation again with the original kernel | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 01:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | reinstall original kernel, wipe/reload rootfs, reboot | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | openmode is a oneway ticket. | 01:44 |
| ieatlint | or what limitations there are in openmode, having heard about ssl certs and accounts issues | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | wipe/reload rootfs == flash | 01:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: yeah? | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | and incidentally flashing is the only way back to normal/aegis mode | 01:45 |
| ieatlint | so wait, it's one way permanent change, or you can go flash the pr1.1 image back on the phone? | 01:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i don't consider "you have to wipe the phone" to be the same as "one-way ticket" | 01:45 |
| ieatlint | yeah, big difference in my mind | 01:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's like saying "installing ubuntu on your pc is a one-way ticket" | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever... If you want me to put some explanation on the openmode readme, go ahead. I'll consider it eventually | 01:46 |
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| ieatlint | i wish i could just take a month off of work and do half a dozen things i've wanted to | 01:47 |
| alterego | ieatlint: yeah, I feel like that quite often :) | 01:47 |
| ieatlint | but realistically, if i even tried that, i know full well i'd just spend the month drunk and sleeping | 01:48 |
| alterego | Yup, I've done that too. | 01:48 |
| ieatlint | :) | 01:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hehe | 01:48 |
| alterego | Well, in related news. I should go to sleep so I'm not dead in the morning for work :P | 01:49 |
| ieatlint | haha, yeah | 01:49 |
| ieatlint | i'm still at work for another ~2.5h pretending to work | 01:49 |
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| * artemma wonders how on earth a "hacker platform" would survive with zero commercialization opportunity. Yes, itsnotabigtruck , looking at you | 03:06 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol artemma | 03:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, my general point was simply that your typical commercial mobile app is not at all technically interesting | 03:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in fact, really technically interesting apps probably aren't acceptable for the ovi store | 03:10 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | and the main source of profit for these phones isn't ovi store, it's the phones themselves | 03:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | this isn't like the itunes store where apple makes money hand over fist | 03:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so what would keep such a "hacker platform" surviving would be the vendor and the devs/hackers | 03:12 |
| artemma | so you want a hacker platform yet interesting apps to be available in ovi story? | 03:25 |
| artemma | now that's a point to lol :) | 03:25 |
| artemma | I've heard most hackers hacking N9 are able to type apt-get or at least copy-paste it | 03:25 |
| artemma | to terminal and add whatever repository | 03:26 |
| artemma | the main profit point for manufacturers is always a phone. Even Apple makes uncomparable amount of money on phones and app store | 03:26 |
| artemma | apps availability just helps people to choose the phone model | 03:27 |
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| ieatlint | ok, the quickbeer app recently added to the ovi store is pretty awesome | 05:27 |
| ieatlint | the UI doesn't look like shit, is very usable, and app overall is something i'll actually use | 05:28 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | lol cool | 06:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | itsnotabigtruck: (make money with...?) that's the one big problem with Nokia: they decided they want to go the iStore way and make money with apps now, some 1..2 years ago | 09:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | some board members did that decision out of a childish whim, without taking into account Nokia's core competence which never been software but always building and selling awesome hardware | 10:01 |
| jonni | steal underwear -> .... -> profit | 10:08 |
| jonni | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBiSI6OdqvA | 10:11 |
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| admiral0 | jonni: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_MpZWzXQFU | 11:21 |
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| bindi_ | hey | 11:35 |
| bindi_ | how can i install opera on the n9 | 11:35 |
| djszapi | bindi_: port it | 11:36 |
| bindi_ | found some download where the rpm had been converted to deb, but dead download | 11:36 |
| bindi_ | opera site has a download for meego but its rpm | 11:37 |
| djszapi | interesting, operamobile already runs for some. | 11:37 |
| djszapi | what is your /precise/ issue ? | 11:37 |
| bindi_ | finding something i can install | 11:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | i have opera | 11:38 |
| bindi_ | not in nokia store | 11:38 |
| djszapi | http://hotfile.com/dl/125308477/580c6be/operamobile_11.00-1_armel.deb.html -> seems removed, definitely. | 11:38 |
| djszapi | http://hotfile.com/dl/125265610/30d8d48/operamobile.tar.html -> same with this. | 11:39 |
| djszapi | sandst1: do you have a backup for that ? ^ | 11:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | it seems to have no portrait mode anyway - useless | 11:39 |
| djszapi | bindi_: it works for me: http://www.opera.com/mobile/download/versions/ | 11:41 |
| djszapi | you need to convert the rpm to deb though. | 11:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | wait | 11:42 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: we do not wait, sorry ;-) | 11:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | ok, than i'll stop uploading deb to dropbox | 11:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | whateeeeevar | 11:44 |
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| ZogG_laptop | dropn9 app knows to send notifications to llockscreen \o/ | 11:47 |
| hiemanshu | ~update | 11:47 |
| infobot | methinks update is http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2012/01/25/harmattan-1.2-beta-now-available-as-ocf-for-nokia-n950 | 11:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | bindi_: still need it | 12:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | ? | 12:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | bindi_: there are few more browsers btw | 12:07 |
| rantom | Hmm | 12:09 |
| rantom | There's no way to exchange password to an account in Accounts? | 12:09 |
| rantom | You'll have to delete them and then re-enter? | 12:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | зфыыцщкв ащк црфе фссщгте, | 12:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | sorry | 12:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | password for what account? | 12:10 |
| rantom | E.g. Google? | 12:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | try to use it - i think iw would ask you to re-enter it | 12:10 |
| rantom | ok | 12:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | for example try to open mail or something with it | 12:11 |
| rantom | Ah, ok | 12:11 |
| rantom | That worked | 12:11 |
| rantom | Thanks | 12:11 |
| rantom | Using CalDAV though doesn't ask for password re-entry | 12:12 |
| rantom | If one is changed | 12:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | it asked me few times | 12:13 |
| rantom | How? | 12:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | try to re-sync it it or set it to sync in few minutes | 12:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | i dunno it just shoed notification that password is wrong | 12:13 |
| rantom | Yeah, same here | 12:14 |
| rantom | But no prompt to fix it | 12:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | click on it | 12:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | wait i need to restart x | 12:14 |
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| rantom | I should probably mention that I'm using the retail pr 1.1 in this case | 12:15 |
| rantom | I get the prompt that "invalid password/etc" but tapping the notification just erases the message, nothing else | 12:16 |
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| rantom | ZogG_laptop: Any more ideas or should I just delete and re-add the CalDAV account? | 12:20 |
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| ZogG_laptop | re-add it | 12:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | and feel free to add bug | 12:25 |
| rantom | Yep, on it | 12:25 |
| rantom | I'll test soon it on the newest beta, if it'd appear to be fixed | 12:26 |
| djszapi | mmmh, that is strange I cannot use qsTr() inside a ListElement. | 12:28 |
| sandst1 | djszapi: i think i do, i'll check my home pc in the evening | 12:29 |
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| djszapi | sandst1: posted a comment about it on your blog, so you can probably add the url there. | 12:31 |
| djszapi | delegate might work with qsTr(), but I wanted to avoid having a delegate. :-S | 12:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | btw if i add header to listview, the listview showen on it and not after it =\ | 12:36 |
| djszapi | works for me. | 12:37 |
| djszapi | http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-CyvVKHEdb2s/Ttda5nIEjlI/AAAAAAAAAEg/cHAG3rg9e8k/s1600/shot3.jpg -> I have a header here. | 12:37 |
| djszapi | https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/games/gluon/repository/revisions/master/entry/player/harmattan/MainPage.qml#L62 -> here is the code behind, quite simple. | 12:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: i don't get it - how you use it without setting content sizw? | 12:41 |
| djszapi | not sure what you mean. | 12:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | contentWidth:parent.width | 12:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | contentHeight:200 | 12:42 |
| djszapi | I do not need such a hack. | 12:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | why is it hack? | 12:46 |
| djszapi | because I do not need it at all. | 12:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | if i don't use it i have not all item shown | 12:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | oh wait | 12:48 |
| djszapi | also, this is behind the point of your issue. | 12:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's not | 12:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | or is it | 12:48 |
| djszapi | well I gave you a working application code. Try to re-use it. | 12:49 |
| admiral0 | djszapi: did you try my deb? | 12:49 |
| djszapi | not yet. | 12:49 |
| rantom | ZogG_laptop: Not reprocudible on the newest beta, the password-issue with CalDAV | 12:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: the problem is that my header is my own component | 12:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | rantom: what do you mean, you can change it or what? | 12:50 |
| * djszapi fails to see the issue with an own component since the gluon player also has its own component as a header... | 12:51 | |
| rantom | ZogG_laptop: Yeah, I can exchange it with the newest beta no problem | 12:52 |
| rantom | ZogG_laptop: It prompts for password re-entry as it should | 12:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: i have no ListItem component | 12:56 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: so you code is buggy, ok... ? | 12:57 |
| djszapi | your* | 12:57 |
| djszapi | debug your component, and fix the bug. | 12:58 |
| djszapi | or the usage of your component. | 12:58 |
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| sandst1 | djszapi: ok | 13:05 |
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| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: found the problem | 13:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | i needed to set height of component | 13:07 |
| djszapi | of course | 13:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | =) | 13:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: if you would know how long it took me yesterday to debug it, i had flickable area, so i thought to add comments as listview | 13:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | inside flickable area | 13:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | but than it was mass | 13:09 |
| djszapi | yes, it is kinda pain to debug, but even worse when you have a qml/qt-component internals issue :/ | 13:10 |
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| alterego | djszapi: at least it's open source ;) | 13:18 |
| djszapi | but not openly decided about releases ;) | 13:19 |
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| ZogG_laptop | qml is part of qt right? | 13:24 |
| djszapi | qt-component is not. | 13:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | if it is it was moved to qtprojects and it is decided about releases, but the queston if you want to use pure qml or harmattan addons =) | 13:25 |
| djszapi | no, the issues are mostly with components. | 13:25 |
| djszapi | if any issues with qml, that is mostly design, but components still have minor implementation bugs, that are simple to fix up. | 13:26 |
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| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: not all are simple to fix app | 13:30 |
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| ZogG_laptop | check the camera bug =) | 13:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | bug 612 i think | 13:31 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=612 nor, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, ASSI, Camera element in QML | 13:31 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: I have not said, all of them are easy to be fixed. | 13:31 |
| djszapi | for instance Qt Mobility bugs, like Audio/SoundEffect are pretty hefty in this respect. | 13:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | yeah it's like on one hand you can re-wrtie them yourself on other hand egies and as well - why the f they are there then | 13:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | ok ,in listview i have component for the header, can i change from connection the text inside that component or i need to use global var? | 13:37 |
| djszapi | zz_gri: I would have yet another addition to a ListItem, namely: you can select the icon at the right side so that it is not hard coded to drill down. | 13:40 |
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| djszapi | rZr: Would you like to update the kdelibs package to 4.8. on Harmattan ? | 13:51 |
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| ZogG_laptop | if i look closely to lpm screen i can see that text has blur colours around =\ | 14:27 |
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| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: that's what i tried to do http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80822&highlight=imgrup&page=5 | 14:54 |
| djszapi | k | 14:56 |
| uros | Hi guys, i was here yesterday. Didnt have chance to get any answer | 14:59 |
| uros | hoping it will be better today | 15:00 |
| uros | Now, i will simplify question. I have my implementation but obviously there is something wrong with it. I need to make image gallery with possibility to pinch2zoom and double-tap to scale image to fit the height/width of the image screen. | 15:01 |
| uros | So far,i have listview, with flickable, pinch and mouse area in it | 15:02 |
| uros | and it doesnt work as expected | 15:02 |
| uros | does anyone know where i can find some exapmle or anything that can help mw with this issue | 15:03 |
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| xarcass | uros: this would involve some heavy coding: i've tried to do this myself and gave up after two days (shame, i know). but that was about half year ago, maybe there are some convenient ways now, though i doubt it - it's complicated even on the IOS. probably, you should omit listview completely and do all transformations by hand. | 15:09 |
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| uros | xarcass : Thanks for answer. Do you perhaps know if the native gallery app is built with qml components? | 15:11 |
| uros | Because everything i'm trying is working overthere | 15:11 |
| djszapi | no, it is not. | 15:11 |
| xarcass | uros: that's what I forgot to mention: it's very likely that it was built with MTF | 15:11 |
| djszapi | and as far as I know, not even open source. | 15:11 |
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| alterego | Pretty much all the apps, exceptp twitter, facebook, ovi store and music player are MTF | 15:12 |
| rZr | djszapi: hi | 15:12 |
| rZr | djszapi: can we talk about that later ? | 15:13 |
| djszapi | rZr: heya ! :) How much later ? | 15:13 |
| rZr | year 2038 | 15:13 |
| uros | So what are you proposing? | 15:14 |
| uros | Guys | 15:14 |
| rZr | djszapi: tonite should be doable | 15:15 |
| djszapi | rZr: too far, this year will be the end of the world . :) | 15:15 |
| uros | I didnt use mtf at all before. Should i use it? I mean, everyone says that we should use QT Quick for developing | 15:16 |
| djszapi | whatever you prefer really. | 15:18 |
| uros | how difficult is to setup mtf devel. environment | 15:19 |
| uros | meego website is quite confusing | 15:19 |
| alterego | Not hard, it's part of the Nokia Qt SDK | 15:20 |
| uros | really? | 15:20 |
| alterego | But I'd say do it in QML/QtQuick if you can | 15:20 |
| alterego | Not very many people outside of Nokia are using MT | 15:20 |
| alterego | ~MTF | 15:20 |
| infobot | A Microsoft Tape Format reader. URL: ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/backup/mtf-0.1.src.tgz | 15:20 |
| alterego | Hhe | 15:20 |
| uros | how can i start mtf project | 15:21 |
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| uros | i realy have no idea | 15:21 |
| djszapi | alterego: ahahaha xD | 15:21 |
| alterego | What are you planning on programming? | 15:21 |
| djszapi | uros: why not hack around in qml ? | 15:21 |
| Hq` | uros: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/platform-api-reference/showdoc.php?pkn=libmeegotouch&wb=daily-docs&url=Li94bWwvZGFpbHktZG9jcy9saWJtZWVnb3RvdWNo | 15:21 |
| uros | My qml is already complete hack | 15:22 |
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| djszapi | uros: do not be afraid; there would be hacks with MTF as well ;-) | 15:23 |
| uros | there is only one crazy problem. If i try to flick after first pinching | 15:23 |
| mosty | does the swipe ui require special handling for touch events near the edge of the screen? when i touch near the edge of the screen qt sometimes gives me "press, release, press, release" | 15:23 |
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| uros | contentx of flickabe is being reset to 0 for who knows what reason | 15:23 |
| uros | And mtf application are not open source, i presume? | 15:25 |
| uros | there is no way i can find gallery implementation | 15:25 |
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| uros | Alterego : is there a way i can share qml file with you, so maybe you can propose me something in order to make it work | 15:41 |
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| alterego | uros: pastie.org | 15:46 |
| uros | ok, give me a moment. | 15:48 |
| uros | http://pastie.org/private/0vhaou1wzcb3gtdc8hq6g | 15:53 |
| alterego | ong with it? | 15:54 |
| alterego | What's wrong with it? | 15:55 |
| uros | please bear in mind that code is awfull with indentation and commented lines everywhere | 15:55 |
| alterego | That's fine, just describe what you're expecting and what is actually happening | 15:56 |
| uros | when the image is bigger than screen area(after zoom in) | 15:56 |
| uros | i manualy change listview contentx property | 15:56 |
| uros | that is how i managed to have flickable insie listview | 15:57 |
| uros | anyway, at one point i've inserted mousearea so i can use doubletap to snap to width/height | 15:57 |
| uros | after that, if i pinch and then try to flick | 15:57 |
| uros | contentx is being reset to 0 | 15:57 |
| uros | but crazy thing is that it's happening only first time | 15:57 |
| uros | any later pinch/flick is ok | 15:58 |
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| alterego | Hmm, well, not sure I can help right now. I'm quite busy working at the moment ;) | 15:59 |
| alterego | I'll have to look at it a little later when I've got some time. | 15:59 |
| alterego | (As it's quite a complicated setup) | 15:59 |
| uros | ok thanks in advance | 16:01 |
| uros | how can we comunicate | 16:01 |
| uros | later | 16:01 |
| alterego | I'll be here | 16:02 |
| alterego | All weekend :) | 16:02 |
| alterego | So just ping me sometime later this evening or tomorrow during the day and I can have a proper look at it :) | 16:02 |
| uros | that sounds fine | 16:03 |
| uros | thanks | 16:03 |
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| admiral0 | itsnotabigtruck: ping | 16:12 |
| damaltor | admiral0: also, ping | 16:14 |
| admiral0 | damaltor: hi | 16:15 |
| damaltor | hey mate | 16:15 |
| admiral0 | update your post on TMO | 16:15 |
| admiral0 | released version 1.1 | 16:15 |
| damaltor | just want to let you know, as i cant help you at the moment, ill update the post on tmo and add that you are doing the work, so you get the kudos :) | 16:15 |
| admiral0 | this will be the last in python unless bugfixes are needed | 16:15 |
| admiral0 | i'll put everything on git | 16:16 |
| admiral0 | :P | 16:16 |
| admiral0 | hmm | 16:16 |
| admiral0 | can i open another thread | 16:16 |
| admiral0 | so i update things | 16:16 |
| admiral0 | ? | 16:16 |
| damaltor | sure. or is there maybe a link to the alsways latest version? then we could just set a link there | 16:17 |
| damaltor | or, i guess, open a new thread is an idea too | 16:17 |
| damaltor | give me the link afterwards then i will put it in first post | 16:18 |
| admiral0 | ok | 16:18 |
| admiral0 | damaltor: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1156548 | 16:36 |
| Corsac | screenshot! | 16:38 |
| admiral0 | ? | 16:38 |
| Corsac | hhm wait | 16:38 |
| Corsac | I thought it was a different thing | 16:38 |
| Corsac | It basically shows info on lp mode instead of the operator logo: | 16:38 |
| Corsac | ? | 16:38 |
| admiral0 | yes | 16:38 |
| damaltor | admiral0: read here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81798 | 16:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | admiral0: yeah? | 16:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ooh | 16:43 |
| admiral0 | itsnotabigtruck: did ls-magic work for you? | 16:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | is it safe to install the package over the original...i know there were some issues where installing the package over the manual install = malf | 16:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nope, never did, but i'll try this one | 16:44 |
| admiral0 | you can install over | 16:45 |
| admiral0 | 1.0 had a missing dep | 16:45 |
| admiral0 | python-gconf | 16:45 |
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| admiral0 | itsnotabigtruck: well? | 16:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | admiral0: reboot time | 16:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | be a little more patient :p | 16:48 |
| admiral0 | XD | 16:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i didn't have python-gconf installed so that was likely it | 16:48 |
| admiral0 | patience. what is it? | 16:48 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | ok, i'm about 30 secs in after the reboot, no sign of lpsmagic | 16:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | let's see if it started | 16:50 |
| admiral0 | be patient | 16:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh hey, there it is | 16:50 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | that took a while | 16:50 |
| admiral0 | niceness 15 | 16:50 |
| admiral0 | and it's python | 16:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | can't you turn that down a bit, perhaps make it so that the menu won't appear until it's already loaded? | 16:51 |
| admiral0 | i can, but system can start without it | 16:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway...nice work | 16:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah but it just seems to ruin the effect a little bit when it doesn't appear every time from the first time | 16:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but ofc you don't reboot it much anyway | 16:52 |
| admiral0 | :) | 16:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh yeah, is the date format based on system settings or hardcoded | 16:52 |
| damaltor | admiral0: did you read that? something to be changed? | 16:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's giving me d/m/y | 16:52 |
| admiral0 | hardcoded | 16:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ok, maybe think about obeying the system locale, or using yyyy-mm-dd | 16:53 |
| admiral0 | damaltor: ? | 16:53 |
| damaltor | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81798 | 16:53 |
| admiral0 | next version will be fully configurable | 16:53 |
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| admiral0 | damaltor: yes | 16:54 |
| admiral0 | damaltor: thank you | 16:54 |
| damaltor | sure. it is your work actually, so thats fair. i hope to be able to get back in after getting my thesis done | 16:55 |
| admiral0 | yay | 16:55 |
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| admiral0 | just had earthquake... | 16:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | :( | 16:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | let me guess, you're in new zealand | 16:56 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | nope, italy, hmm | 16:56 |
| admiral0 | yes | 16:56 |
| admiral0 | whole building shaking | 16:56 |
| admiral0 | :O | 16:56 |
| Corsac | do you intend to push it to apps.m.o? | 16:57 |
| admiral0 | Corsac: will push it to ovi eventually | 16:57 |
| admiral0 | Corsac: like it? | 16:58 |
| Corsac | didn't try it yet | 16:59 |
| Corsac | I'll wait for it to be available on ovi | 16:59 |
| admiral0 | v1.1 won't be available on ovi | 17:00 |
| admiral0 | maybe v2.0 | 17:00 |
| Corsac | yeah, I'll wait :) | 17:07 |
| Corsac | I already have a lot of issue with flaky hw | 17:07 |
| Corsac | so I'm not pushing to hard on experimental stuff :/ | 17:07 |
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| rZr | hi Corsac going to fosdem too ? | 17:15 |
| Corsac | nop | 17:23 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: btw signon-oauth2plugin is part of the pr1.2 beta | 17:29 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | so it looks like you got your wish | 17:29 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://www.nasc.fr/wp-content/gallery/pixel-art/pixelart-wolrd-war-web.png | 17:42 |
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| damaltor | itsnotabigtruck: is there a list of _all_ changes and fixes in 1.2 anywhere? | 17:52 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | damaltor: nope, just that release notes page which is pretty incomplete | 18:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i got that ^ by looking at the packages list on a pr1.2 rootfs dump | 18:03 |
| damaltor | :/ | 18:04 |
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| vince | hello | 18:13 |
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| vince | Is the "Meego SDK" better suited than QtSDK for cross-compiling configure-based (non-Qt) apps/libs (target is N9) ? | 18:20 |
| khertan | http://swtch.com/tra/ | 18:20 |
| khertan | ^^ whouhou ! | 18:20 |
| khertan | something interesting ... a real innovation in file sync ... From 2005 | 18:21 |
| khertan | :) | 18:21 |
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| admiral0 | vince: yes | 18:26 |
| vince | admiral0: thanks | 18:26 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | vince: i think you want the 'harmattan platform sdk' | 18:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you can get it from the nokia site | 18:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the 'meego sdk' is probably for actual meego | 18:54 |
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| vince | itsnotabigtruck: uh, ok, thanks :) | 18:54 |
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| DrGrov | Evening | 18:57 |
| DrGrov | Does anyone know what is the exact size of the wallpapers coming with the N9? They are only portrait if I understand it right? | 18:58 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: 480x854 | 19:03 |
| DrGrov | Thanks itsnotabigtruck | 19:03 |
| DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: I am trying to do some nice custom wallpaper, something a bit different than the wallpapers people usually have. | 19:04 |
| DrGrov | åäö | 19:05 |
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| DrGrov | 480 x 854 yes? | 19:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: yup | 19:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | same res as the droid 1, afaik | 19:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so you can probably find prefab wallpapers for that | 19:09 |
| DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Sorry for asking again. I have some font issues here on the computer in XChat so I can not see almost anything but trying to fix it | 19:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you want landscape mode it has to be 854x854, it uses the top 854x480 in landscape and the left 480x854 in portrait | 19:09 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | the other 374x374 is ignorable | 19:09 |
| DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: The N9 is always only in portrait mode yes if no tweaks are made? | 19:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (i might be slightly wrong on that, maybe it uses the bottom?) | 19:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and yeah, landscape is only on if the user hacked iton | 19:10 |
| DrGrov | I read that there is a possibility to use a custom wallpaper on the actual 3 home screens as well? That is a hack yes? | 19:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hmm, got a link? | 19:10 |
| DrGrov | Just give me a sec, I have to fix this font issue in XChat. I do not see anything :/ | 19:11 |
| DrGrov | Ok, now it seems decent at least : ) | 19:12 |
| DrGrov | So yes, a link to the custom wallpaper on 3 home screens | 19:12 |
| DrGrov | I honestly do not remember, but I can look into it if you like? I found it on some unofficial N9 user blog. Found it IIRC on talk.maemo.org | 19:12 |
| DrGrov | But I am looking at TMO now to find the link for you itsnotabigtruck | 19:13 |
| DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Is it OK if I return to you on that a bit later on tonight? | 19:17 |
| DrGrov | I can not seem to find it but I gotta ru | 19:17 |
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| damaltor | itsnotabigtruck, DrGrov: http://www.n9fanclub.com/2012/01/how-to-enable-custom-background.html | 19:47 |
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| damaltor | n? | 20:25 |
| damaltor | itsnotabigtruck: even better: up to 6 different images for tasks/feeds/apps view, landscape/portrait view: http://blog.linux4us.org/2012/01/19/different-background-for-3-home-pages-for-meego-1-2-harmattan-n9n950-now-with-landscape/ | 20:27 |
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| djszapi | rzr: ping | 20:29 |
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| SqRt7744 | has anyone tried to install pr 1.2 on the N9? | 20:48 |
| Rantwolf | no | 20:51 |
| Rantwolf | this rc is imho only for the n950 | 20:51 |
| admiral0 | Rantwolf: open mode + selected binaries install | 20:55 |
| admiral0 | it's possible | 20:55 |
| admiral0 | but i'm not doing it | 20:55 |
| admiral0 | :D | 20:55 |
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| Rantwolf | oh | 20:55 |
| Rantwolf | i thought it wan't possible | 20:55 |
| Rantwolf | but i don't want to try it too | 20:55 |
| SqRt7744 | admiral0, try it out. If it bricks your phone, let us know :-) | 20:55 |
| Rantwolf | hehe | 20:55 |
| admiral0 | on linux with enough swears, beer & red bulls everything is possible | 20:55 |
| admiral0 | SqRt7744: i have to study :( | 20:56 |
| SqRt7744 | i admire your dedication. i used to be that, i think until the end of second year. | 20:57 |
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| admiral0 | don't. | 20:58 |
| admiral0 | i did this while "studying" | 20:59 |
| admiral0 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1156548 | 20:59 |
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| trx | just flashed pr1.2 on my n950, everything works fine for now | 22:17 |
| rzr | djszapi: as promised here i am am | 22:28 |
| djszapi | rzr: the promise keeper ! | 22:28 |
| rzr | djszapi: so lets start kde on harmattan | 22:28 |
| djszapi | It would be nice to upgrade to the freshly released KDE 4.8 | 22:29 |
| rzr | you did build it ? | 22:29 |
| djszapi | so that we could try out the plasma components without further hardware requirements. First step is to upgrade kdelibs (and any of its dependencies if needed) | 22:29 |
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| rzr | on current version does it change from upstream ? | 22:30 |
| djszapi | Yes. | 22:30 |
| djszapi | we need kde-runtime built, but that was done. We need to update the kdelibs and then kde-runtime packages. I checked out the Ubuntu&Debian VCS repositories last time for 4.7 | 22:31 |
| rzr | do would thoses patch apply to 4.8 ? | 22:31 |
| djszapi | probably not. | 22:31 |
| djszapi | but there might be new patches. | 22:31 |
| djszapi | git archive --remote=git@git.kde.org:kdelibs --format=tar --prefix=kdelibs/ KDE/4.8 | bzip2 -9 > kde4libs_4.8.orig.tar.bz2 -> you can get the orig.tar.bz2 this way. | 22:32 |
| rzr | do some of us will have to try to build it on their scratchbox | 22:32 |
| djszapi | yeah, but please bear in mind, one build is about 5-6 hours. | 22:32 |
| djszapi | I think I fixed the biggest issue last time, the automoc failure with mobile profile, but the install file fixes also take a time. | 22:33 |
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| rzr | one question ? who is using those libs ? | 22:34 |
| djszapi | kde-runtime | 22:34 |
| rzr | who not what :-) | 22:35 |
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| DrGrov | May I ask a non-developer related issue since I am not getting any answer in #n9 ? | 22:35 |
| rzr | sure fire | 22:35 |
| djszapi | rzr: I do not know, but I am a user, and my friends Aleix Pol for sure | 22:35 |
| djszapi | same with tsdgeos, yet another Spanish hacker. | 22:36 |
| DrGrov | What could be the issue of the N9 when I have the original silicon protection case around it? It seems to make a sound around when I press it. Like it would "brake" if I press too hard. Anyone else experiencing these type of problems? | 22:36 |
| DrGrov | Sorry, I posted it here anyhow. Got an answer at #n9 the moment I posted here. Sorry about that. | 22:36 |
| djszapi | http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/plasma-qml-apidocs/ -> We could use the plasma components instead of Harmattan for experiment, once kde-runtime is up-to-date. | 22:36 |
| rzr | i see kontact has been ported | 22:37 |
| rzr | http://community.kde.org/KDE_Mobile/Harmattan | 22:37 |
| djszapi | definitely. | 22:38 |
| djszapi | though I dislike the ui ;-) | 22:38 |
| rzr | djszapi: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-kde/kde-sc/kde4libs.git;a=summary | 22:39 |
| djszapi | but yes, and many plasma component apps are already done on PA. | 22:39 |
| djszapi | and it we can get them work, that would be cool. | 22:39 |
| rzr | not yet in debian | 22:39 |
| djszapi | because even if it is not properly working with plasma components: it is super simple to port to Harmattan components. | 22:39 |
| djszapi | buntu ? | 22:39 |
| rzr | we can try | 22:40 |
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| rzr | but you will merge the patches :-) | 22:41 |
| djszapi | the hardest part is not the merging. | 22:41 |
| djszapi | because you can realize if something does not apply anymore instantly. The worst part, except the serious internal build issues, the install files. | 22:42 |
| rzr | X-Fade will hate us | 22:42 |
| djszapi | but they were bigger problems at the first version. It should be way easier to just update it. | 22:42 |
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| djszapi | put it differently: we are gonna hate OBS, if it does not produce KDE stuff ;-) | 22:43 |
| rzr | i am uploading | 22:44 |
| djszapi | also, libkdeedu is broken for some reasons an OBS | 22:44 |
| djszapi | and works fine locally. | 22:44 |
| djszapi | you might be able to fix the issue ? | 22:44 |
| rzr | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=kde4libs&project=home%3Arzr%3Aubuntu | 22:45 |
| rzr | this is the place i put ubuntu import | 22:45 |
| rzr | feel free to fork it | 22:46 |
| djszapi | right, does Ubuntu have patches for KDE 4.8. in their VCS ? | 22:46 |
| rzr | check debian/control | 22:46 |
| rzr | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=kde4libs&project=home%3Arzr%3Aubuntu | 22:47 |
| rzr | err | 22:47 |
| rzr | https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdelibs | 22:47 |
| djszapi | This package has no files yet | 22:47 |
| rzr | slow to upload | 22:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | anyone used xauth or know examples of it's usage with native plugins? | 22:48 |
| rzr | djszapi: that one is built https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=libkdeedu&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan | 22:49 |
| djszapi | yes, but badly :) | 22:49 |
| rzr | djszapi: depends on latest qt | 22:50 |
| rzr | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=kde4libs&project=home%3Arzr%3Aubuntu | 22:50 |
| rzr | you can try to drop version of debian/control but does it worth the try | 22:51 |
| djszapi | no | 22:51 |
| djszapi | but we might wanna have qt5 build though. | 22:52 |
| rzr | in 2038 ? :) | 22:52 |
| e0x | ZogG_laptop: imgrup app just show the gallery of the day ? | 22:52 |
| rzr | well it's here now | 22:52 |
| rzr | or there | 22:52 |
| djszapi | no, december is the end of the world :) | 22:53 |
| djszapi | you might wanna check out qgil's links: http://www.mail-archive.com/development@qt-project.org/msg01334.html | 22:54 |
| djszapi | I think it would be nice to get a qt5 snapshot package. | 22:54 |
| rzr | have done qt for too long | 22:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | e0x: imgur.com/gallery/hot | 22:55 |
| rzr | havent | 22:55 |
| rzr | i wish i can get back on it on qt5 | 22:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | e0x: it can be easily changed to top or fresh | 22:55 |
| e0x | ZogG_laptop: right now or will be.. | 22:55 |
| e0x | ? | 22:55 |
| rzr | djszapi: have you investigated the "html5 features" of qt ? | 22:56 |
| djszapi | yes | 22:57 |
| djszapi | btw, I am now making then a qt5 package for Harmattan, if you do not mind. | 22:57 |
| rzr | sure have fun | 22:58 |
| e0x | ZogG_laptop: ? | 22:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | e0x: ? | 23:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | oh | 23:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | damaltor: thanks for the links | 23:01 |
| rzr | djszapi: btw do you know about repository dependencies ? | 23:01 |
| djszapi | rzr: kanagram is unresolved. | 23:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | right now i can do it by changing request | 23:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though i kinda like the tasteful blank default | 23:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | e0x: you want to choose? | 23:01 |
| djszapi | rzr: could you please fix that ? | 23:01 |
| damaltor | np | 23:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (also helps w/ battery) | 23:01 |
| rzr | djszapi: you can depends on my repo in your project | 23:01 |
| rzr | djszapi: that way can do any experimental stuff you want | 23:02 |
| djszapi | rzr: kanagram is important to build | 23:02 |
| djszapi | it only depends on libkdeedu, and works locally | 23:03 |
| djszapi | could you investigate why it is in unresolved stage on obs ? | 23:03 |
| trx | i installed pr1.2, enabled third party packages, and added harmattan-dev.nokia.com/ repository and now i am trying to install gstreamer-tools package (as root) but aegis rejects it.. any advice? | 23:05 |
| djszapi | hard to guess without seeing the rejection... | 23:06 |
| trx | give me a min ill copy it | 23:06 |
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| trx | djszapi http://pastebin.com/vxs4BMDv | 23:08 |
| djszapi | trx: yes, I had the same few weeks ago. | 23:09 |
| djszapi | I even asked it here. | 23:09 |
| djszapi | no clue. | 23:09 |
| trx | :( | 23:09 |
| djszapi | the harmattan3 repo is probably outdated for this or so | 23:09 |
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| trx | hm | 23:11 |
| trx | i downloaded the package manually and used dpgk -i /path/package_name.deb | 23:12 |
| trx | and it installed it without problems | 23:12 |
| djszapi | I know. | 23:12 |
| trx | dpkg* | 23:12 |
| rzr | djszapi: that one is up to date | 23:12 |
| rzr | djszapi: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=pkg-kde-tools&project=home%3Arzr%3Adebian | 23:12 |
| djszapi | rzr: yes because it is not upstream | 23:13 |
| djszapi | it is a debian helper script collection for building kde packages. | 23:13 |
| rzr | yes i know | 23:13 |
| rzr | but that version is higher than yours | 23:13 |
| rzr | i am rebuilding to see if using it can unblock the issue | 23:13 |
| djszapi | please do not rebuild it. | 23:14 |
| djszapi | it will trigger a rebuild for everything | 23:14 |
| djszapi | and we do not wanna have regressions. :) | 23:14 |
| djszapi | nor full KDE stack rebuild. | 23:14 |
| rzr | well it can be disabled later ? | 23:14 |
| djszapi | not really, once it is done. | 23:14 |
| rzr | doesnt it pull them back ? | 23:15 |
| djszapi | please do not touch the ground under the world :) | 23:16 |
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| djszapi | for no real reason :p | 23:16 |
| rzr | well time is up | 23:17 |
| rzr | later | 23:17 |
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| trx | i am trying to stream my n950 cam to pc using this : http://pastebin.com/VCZE6c9v but it fails | 23:56 |
| trx | if i just change "camera-device" to =1 (front camera) | 23:56 |
| trx | it works perfectly... | 23:57 |
| trx | any advice? :/ | 23:57 |
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