IRC log of #harmattan for Friday, 2012-01-27

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itsnotabigtrucklol, i just received a 100g package of tea that i ordered, and the box is way heavier than the actual product00:16
itsnotabigtruckhey vzp91600:16
vzp916never can get ssh to connect00:18
itsnotabigtruckwhat do you mean?00:21
itsnotabigtruckmake sure you're using port 22, username developer, the password shown by the sdk connect tool00:21
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vzp916I tried to ssh user@Localhost00:22
vzp916treks me cannot connect to port 2200:22
ieatlintlocalhost is case sensitive, and that would only work on the n9 (and why would you want to ssh in as user from the n9 to the n9?)00:24
vzp916never had that before00:24
vzp916from PC to N900:24
ieatlintshould also be using the developer account to ssh into00:25
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vsync_yo dawg we herd you like to ssh so we put an ssh into your ssh so you can ssh while you ssh00:25
vzp916hm...fact is...I was able to do it before I reflashed to 1.100:26
vzp916vsync..nice one00:26
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artemmaHmm, InfoBanner is shown under my titlebar (just a rectangle actually). I thought InfoBanner is always on top of everything. Any hints?00:35
artemmaaha, change to SystemBanner somehow helped00:36
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trxartemma i set its parent to top level component00:41
trxi had the same problem00:41
artemmaI figured that SystemBanner works if I add it to Page level (not PageStackWindow)00:42
artemmaand maybe order somehow matters00:42
trxyeah, its follows some wierd logic00:42
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artemmaIs there a way for opening ovi store for a given app id?01:06
artemmaopening just a url will leave an ugly empty browser window01:06
artemmamaybe there's some special url scheme for ovi store?01:06
* artemma wants to put into a free version a link for buying a Pro version of the app01:07
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* itsnotabigtruck laments the fact that most people here have gone commercial rather than exploiting their phones to the max01:32
itsnotabigtruckand things like aegis make those mutually exclusive, because if you want to do cool stuff you can't go commercial01:33
DocScrutinizerthat's why we all *love* HARM01:34
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer: but the former part isn't nokia's fault01:34
DocScrutinizeryou're sure about that?01:34
itsnotabigtruckpeople in general are treating it as a "monetization opportunity" and not a hacker platform01:34
itsnotabigtruckyah, otherwise we'd see people actually investigating and using open mode and stuff like that01:35
DocScrutinizerwell, it is no hacker platform, evidently01:35
itsnotabigtruckbut people just don't really seem very interested01:35
DocScrutinizerI couldn't be less interested in using HARM as a hacker platform, when even iPHone is a better hacker platform than HARM01:36
itsnotabigtrucknot really, it's just that the iphone actually does have people exploiting it to the max01:36
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itsnotabigtruckevery little ounce of capability gets used to do something cool, there's always a hack for that01:36
* DocScrutinizer switches back to #maemo channel01:37
itsnotabigtruckanything the iphone can do *could* be done on an N9, the problem is a) the unavoidable: not enough people for that01:37
itsnotabigtruckand b) the avoidable: not enough interest in that01:37
itsnotabigtruckof course i'm not helping, i haven't built anything for the n9 yet01:38
itsnotabigtruckbut it takes more than one person anyway, and it seems like the vast majority of development is high level qml stuff01:38
itsnotabigtruckand not encryption software, vpn clients, custom kernels, what have you01:39
ieatlinti get the impession a lot of the people who had time to screw around on the n900 and such don't have the same time now01:39
ieatlintand that's part of the "issue"01:39
itsnotabigtruckieatlint: hm, good point01:40
ieatlintbut yeah, aegis is crippling, and the fact that the repos are based pretty much entirely on ovi, so if you want real distribution you need to go through ovi01:41
ieatlintwhich is more restrictive than aegis, and keeps you on pr1.001:42
itsnotabigtruckbut there is open mode, and it does work01:42
ieatlintthere needs to be better docs on it.. not just tmo threads that i don't have time to go through 20 pages of01:42
itsnotabigtruckit does impose that stupid bootup warning, but a lot of the crippling is self-imposed01:42
itsnotabigtruckyeah, and we need a 1 click installer forit01:43
ieatlinti'm still not even clear how easily i can return to a base image if i put openmode on a device01:43
itsnotabigtrucki'm pretty sure it's a matter of doing the same operation again with the original kernel01:43
itsnotabigtruckreinstall original kernel, wipe/reload rootfs, reboot01:43
DocScrutinizeropenmode is a oneway ticket.01:44
ieatlintor what limitations there are in openmode, having heard about ssl certs and accounts issues01:44
DocScrutinizerwipe/reload rootfs == flash01:44
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer: yeah?01:44
DocScrutinizerand incidentally flashing is the only way back to normal/aegis mode01:45
ieatlintso wait, it's one way permanent change, or you can go flash the pr1.1 image back on the phone?01:45
itsnotabigtrucki don't consider "you have to wipe the phone" to be the same as "one-way ticket"01:45
ieatlintyeah, big difference in my mind01:45
itsnotabigtruckthat's like saying "installing ubuntu on your pc is a one-way ticket"01:45
DocScrutinizerwhatever... If you want me to put some explanation on the openmode readme, go ahead. I'll consider it eventually01:46
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ieatlinti wish i could just take a month off of work and do half a dozen things i've wanted to01:47
alteregoieatlint: yeah, I feel like that quite often :)01:47
ieatlintbut realistically, if i even tried that, i know full well i'd just spend the month drunk and sleeping01:48
alteregoYup, I've done that too.01:48
alteregoWell, in related news. I should go to sleep so I'm not dead in the morning for work :P01:49
ieatlinthaha, yeah01:49
ieatlinti'm still at work for another ~2.5h pretending to work01:49
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* artemma wonders how on earth a "hacker platform" would survive with zero commercialization opportunity. Yes, itsnotabigtruck , looking at you03:06
itsnotabigtrucklol artemma03:09
itsnotabigtruckwell, my general point was simply that your typical commercial mobile app is not at all technically interesting03:09
itsnotabigtruckin fact, really technically interesting apps probably aren't acceptable for the ovi store03:10
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itsnotabigtruckand the main source of profit for these phones isn't ovi store, it's the phones themselves03:10
itsnotabigtruckthis isn't like the itunes store where apple makes money hand over fist03:11
itsnotabigtruckso what would keep such a "hacker platform" surviving would be the vendor and the devs/hackers03:12
artemmaso you want a hacker platform yet interesting apps to be available in ovi story?03:25
artemmanow that's a point to lol :)03:25
artemmaI've heard most hackers hacking N9 are able to type apt-get or at least copy-paste it03:25
artemmato terminal and add whatever repository03:26
artemmathe main profit point for manufacturers is always a phone. Even Apple makes uncomparable amount of money on phones and app store03:26
artemmaapps availability just helps people to choose the phone model03:27
* artemma off03:27
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ieatlintok, the quickbeer app recently added to the ovi store is pretty awesome05:27
ieatlintthe UI doesn't look like shit, is very usable, and app overall is something i'll actually use05:28
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itsnotabigtrucklol cool06:11
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DocScrutinizeritsnotabigtruck: (make money with...?) that's the one big problem with Nokia: they decided they want to go the iStore way and make money with apps now, some 1..2 years ago09:58
DocScrutinizersome board members did that decision out of a childish whim, without taking into account Nokia's core competence which never been software but always building and selling awesome hardware10:01
jonnisteal underwear -> .... -> profit10:08
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bindi_how can i install opera on the n911:35
djszapibindi_: port it11:36
bindi_found some download where the rpm had been converted to deb, but dead download11:36
bindi_opera site has a download for meego but its rpm11:37
djszapiinteresting, operamobile already runs for some.11:37
djszapiwhat is your /precise/ issue ?11:37
bindi_finding something i can install11:38
ZogG_laptopi have opera11:38
bindi_not in nokia store11:38
djszapi -> seems removed, definitely.11:38
djszapi -> same with this.11:39
djszapisandst1: do you have a backup for that ? ^11:39
ZogG_laptopit seems to have no portrait mode anyway - useless11:39
djszapibindi_: it works for me:
djszapiyou need to convert the rpm to deb though.11:41
djszapiZogG_laptop: we do not wait, sorry ;-)11:42
ZogG_laptopok, than i'll stop uploading deb to dropbox11:43
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ZogG_laptopdropn9 app knows to send notifications to llockscreen \o/11:47
infobotmethinks update is
ZogG_laptopbindi_: still need it12:05
ZogG_laptopbindi_: there are few more browsers btw12:07
rantomThere's no way to exchange password to an account in Accounts?12:09
rantomYou'll have to delete them and then re-enter?12:09
ZogG_laptopзфыыцщкв ащк црфе фссщгте,12:09
ZogG_laptoppassword for what account?12:10
rantomE.g. Google?12:10
ZogG_laptoptry to use it - i think iw would ask you to re-enter it12:10
ZogG_laptopfor example try to open mail or something with it12:11
rantomAh, ok12:11
rantomThat worked12:11
rantomUsing CalDAV though doesn't ask for password re-entry12:12
rantomIf one is changed12:12
ZogG_laptopit asked me few times12:13
ZogG_laptoptry to re-sync it it or set it to sync in few minutes12:13
ZogG_laptopi dunno it just shoed notification that password is wrong12:13
rantomYeah, same here12:14
rantomBut no prompt to fix it12:14
ZogG_laptopclick on it12:14
ZogG_laptopwait i need to restart x12:14
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rantomI should probably mention that I'm using the retail pr 1.1 in this case12:15
rantomI get the prompt that "invalid password/etc" but tapping the notification just erases the message, nothing else12:16
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rantomZogG_laptop: Any more ideas or should I just delete and re-add the CalDAV account?12:20
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ZogG_laptopre-add it12:25
ZogG_laptopand feel free to add bug12:25
rantomYep, on it12:25
rantomI'll test soon it on the newest beta, if it'd appear to be fixed12:26
djszapimmmh, that is strange I cannot use qsTr() inside a ListElement.12:28
sandst1djszapi: i think i do, i'll check my home pc in the evening12:29
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djszapisandst1: posted a comment about it on your blog, so you can probably add the url there.12:31
djszapidelegate might work with qsTr(), but I wanted to avoid having a delegate. :-S12:33
ZogG_laptopbtw if i add header to listview, the listview showen on it and not after it =\12:36
djszapiworks for me.12:37
djszapi -> I have a header here.12:37
djszapi -> here is the code behind, quite simple.12:39
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: i don't get it - how you use it without setting content sizw?12:41
djszapinot sure what you mean.12:41
ZogG_laptop            contentWidth:parent.width12:42
ZogG_laptop            contentHeight:20012:42
djszapiI do not need such a hack.12:43
ZogG_laptop why is it hack?12:46
djszapibecause I do not need it at all.12:46
ZogG_laptopif i don't use it i have not all item shown12:47
ZogG_laptopoh wait12:48
djszapialso, this is behind the point of your issue.12:48
ZogG_laptopit's not12:48
ZogG_laptopor is it12:48
djszapiwell I gave you a working application code. Try to re-use it.12:49
admiral0djszapi: did you try my deb?12:49
djszapinot yet.12:49
rantomZogG_laptop: Not reprocudible on the newest beta, the password-issue with CalDAV12:49
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: the problem is that my header is my own component12:50
ZogG_laptoprantom: what do you mean, you can change it or what?12:50
* djszapi fails to see the issue with an own component since the gluon player also has its own component as a header...12:51
rantomZogG_laptop: Yeah, I can exchange it with the newest beta no problem12:52
rantomZogG_laptop: It prompts for password re-entry as it should12:52
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: i have no ListItem component12:56
djszapiZogG_laptop: so you code is buggy, ok... ?12:57
djszapidebug your component, and fix the bug.12:58
djszapior the usage of your component.12:58
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sandst1djszapi: ok13:05
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ZogG_laptopdjszapi: found the problem13:07
ZogG_laptopi needed to set height of component13:07
djszapiof course13:08
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: if you would know how long it took me yesterday to debug it, i had flickable area, so i thought to add comments as listview13:09
ZogG_laptopinside flickable area13:09
ZogG_laptopbut than it was mass13:09
djszapiyes, it is kinda pain to debug, but even worse when you have a qml/qt-component internals issue :/13:10
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alteregodjszapi: at least it's open source ;)13:18
djszapibut not openly decided about releases ;)13:19
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ZogG_laptopqml is part of qt right?13:24
djszapiqt-component is not.13:25
ZogG_laptopif it is it was moved to qtprojects and it is decided about releases, but the queston if you want to use pure qml or harmattan addons =)13:25
djszapino, the issues are mostly with components.13:25
djszapiif any issues with qml, that is mostly design, but components still have minor implementation bugs, that are simple to fix up.13:26
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ZogG_laptopdjszapi: not all are simple to fix app13:30
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ZogG_laptopcheck the camera bug =)13:30
ZogG_laptopbug 612 i think13:31
_MeeGoBot_Bug nor, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, ASSI, Camera element in QML13:31
djszapiZogG_laptop: I have not said, all of them are easy to be fixed.13:31
djszapifor instance Qt Mobility bugs, like Audio/SoundEffect are pretty hefty in this respect.13:32
ZogG_laptopyeah it's like on one hand you can re-wrtie them yourself on other hand egies and as well - why the f they are there then13:35
ZogG_laptopok ,in listview i have component for the header, can i change from connection the text inside that component or i need to use global var?13:37
djszapizz_gri: I would have yet another addition to a ListItem, namely: you can select the icon at the right side so that it is not hard coded to drill down.13:40
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djszapirZr: Would you like to update the kdelibs package to 4.8. on Harmattan ?13:51
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ZogG_laptopif i look closely to lpm screen i can see that text has blur colours around =\14:27
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ZogG_laptopdjszapi: that's what i tried to do
urosHi guys, i was here yesterday. Didnt have chance to get any answer14:59
uroshoping it will be better today15:00
urosNow, i will simplify question. I have my implementation but obviously there is something wrong with it. I need to make image gallery with possibility to pinch2zoom and double-tap to scale image to fit the height/width of the image screen.15:01
urosSo far,i have listview, with flickable, pinch and mouse area in it15:02
urosand it doesnt work as expected15:02
urosdoes anyone know where i can find some exapmle or anything that can help mw with this issue15:03
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xarcassuros: this would involve some heavy coding: i've tried to do this myself and gave up after two days (shame, i know). but that was about half year ago, maybe there are some convenient ways now, though i doubt it - it's complicated even on the IOS. probably, you should omit listview completely and do all transformations by hand.15:09
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urosxarcass : Thanks for answer. Do you perhaps know if the native gallery app is built with qml components?15:11
urosBecause everything i'm trying is working overthere15:11
djszapino, it is not.15:11
xarcassuros: that's what I forgot to mention: it's very likely that it was built with MTF15:11
djszapiand as far as I know, not even open source.15:11
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alteregoPretty much all the apps, exceptp twitter, facebook, ovi store and music player are MTF15:12
rZrdjszapi: hi15:12
rZrdjszapi: can we talk about that later ?15:13
djszapirZr: heya ! :) How much later ?15:13
rZryear 203815:13
urosSo what are you proposing?15:14
rZrdjszapi: tonite should be doable15:15
djszapirZr: too far, this year will be the end of the world . :)15:15
urosI didnt use mtf at all before. Should i use it? I mean, everyone says that we should use QT Quick for developing15:16
djszapiwhatever you prefer really.15:18
uroshow difficult is to setup mtf devel. environment15:19
urosmeego website is quite confusing15:19
alteregoNot hard, it's part of the Nokia Qt SDK15:20
alteregoBut I'd say do it in QML/QtQuick if you can15:20
alteregoNot very many people outside of Nokia are using MT15:20
infobotA Microsoft Tape Format reader. URL:
uroshow can i start mtf project15:21
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urosi realy have no idea15:21
djszapialterego: ahahaha xD15:21
alteregoWhat are you planning on programming?15:21
djszapiuros: why not hack around in qml ?15:21
urosMy qml is already complete hack15:22
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djszapiuros: do not be afraid; there would be hacks with MTF as well ;-)15:23
urosthere is only one crazy problem. If i try to flick after first pinching15:23
mostydoes the swipe ui require special handling for touch events near the edge of the screen? when i touch near the edge of the screen qt sometimes gives me "press, release, press, release"15:23
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uroscontentx of flickabe is being reset to 0 for who knows what reason15:23
urosAnd mtf application are not open source, i presume?15:25
urosthere is no way i can find gallery implementation15:25
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urosAlterego : is there a way i can share qml file with you, so maybe you can propose me something in order to make it work15:41
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alteregouros: pastie.org15:46
urosok, give me a moment.15:48
alteregoong with it?15:54
alteregoWhat's wrong with it?15:55
urosplease bear in mind that code is awfull with indentation and commented lines everywhere15:55
alteregoThat's fine, just describe what you're expecting and what is actually happening15:56
uroswhen the image is bigger than screen area(after zoom in)15:56
urosi manualy change listview contentx property15:56
urosthat is how i managed to have flickable insie listview15:57
urosanyway, at one point i've inserted mousearea so i can use doubletap to snap to width/height15:57
urosafter that, if i pinch and then try to flick15:57
uroscontentx is being reset to 015:57
urosbut crazy thing is that it's happening only first time15:57
urosany later pinch/flick is ok15:58
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alteregoHmm, well, not sure I can help right now. I'm quite busy working at the moment ;)15:59
alteregoI'll have to look at it a little later when I've got some time.15:59
alterego(As it's quite a complicated setup)15:59
urosok thanks in advance16:01
uroshow can we comunicate16:01
alteregoI'll be here16:02
alteregoAll weekend :)16:02
alteregoSo just ping me sometime later this evening or tomorrow during the day and I can have a proper look at it :)16:02
urosthat sounds fine16:03
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admiral0itsnotabigtruck: ping16:12
damaltoradmiral0: also, ping16:14
admiral0damaltor: hi16:15
damaltorhey mate16:15
admiral0update your post on TMO16:15
admiral0released version 1.116:15
damaltorjust want to let you know, as i cant help you at the moment, ill update the post on tmo and add that you are doing the work, so you get the kudos :)16:15
admiral0this will be the last in python unless bugfixes are needed16:15
admiral0i'll put everything on git16:16
admiral0can i open another thread16:16
admiral0so i update things16:16
damaltorsure. or is there maybe a link to the alsways latest version? then we could just set a link there16:17
damaltoror, i guess, open a new thread is an idea too16:17
damaltorgive me the link afterwards then i will put it in first post16:18
Corsachhm wait16:38
CorsacI thought it was a different thing16:38
CorsacIt basically shows info on lp mode instead of the operator logo:16:38
damaltoradmiral0: read here:
itsnotabigtruckadmiral0: yeah?16:43
admiral0itsnotabigtruck: did ls-magic work for you?16:43
itsnotabigtruckis it safe to install the package over the original...i know there were some issues where installing the package over the manual install = malf16:44
itsnotabigtrucknope, never did, but i'll try this one16:44
admiral0you can install over16:45
admiral01.0 had a missing dep16:45
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admiral0itsnotabigtruck: well?16:47
itsnotabigtruckadmiral0: reboot time16:48
itsnotabigtruckbe a little more patient :p16:48
itsnotabigtrucki didn't have python-gconf installed so that was likely it16:48
admiral0patience. what is it?16:48
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itsnotabigtruckok, i'm about 30 secs in after the reboot, no sign of lpsmagic16:49
itsnotabigtrucklet's see if it started16:50
admiral0be patient16:50
itsnotabigtruckoh hey, there it is16:50
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itsnotabigtruckthat took a while16:50
admiral0niceness 1516:50
admiral0and it's python16:50
itsnotabigtruckcan't you turn that down a bit, perhaps make it so that the menu won't appear until it's already loaded?16:51
admiral0i can, but system can start without it16:51
itsnotabigtruckanyway...nice work16:51
itsnotabigtruckyeah but it just seems to ruin the effect a little bit when it doesn't appear every time from the first time16:52
itsnotabigtruckbut ofc you don't reboot it much anyway16:52
itsnotabigtruckoh yeah, is the date format based on system settings or hardcoded16:52
damaltoradmiral0: did you read that? something to be changed?16:52
itsnotabigtruckit's giving me d/m/y16:52
itsnotabigtruckok, maybe think about obeying the system locale, or using yyyy-mm-dd16:53
admiral0damaltor: ?16:53
admiral0next version will be fully configurable16:53
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admiral0damaltor: yes16:54
admiral0damaltor: thank you16:54
damaltorsure. it is your work actually, so thats fair. i hope to be able to get back in after getting my thesis done16:55
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admiral0just had earthquake...16:56
itsnotabigtrucklet me guess, you're in new zealand16:56
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itsnotabigtrucknope, italy, hmm16:56
admiral0whole building shaking16:56
Corsacdo you intend to push it to apps.m.o?16:57
admiral0Corsac: will push it to ovi eventually16:57
admiral0Corsac: like it?16:58
Corsacdidn't try it yet16:59
CorsacI'll wait for it to be available on ovi16:59
admiral0v1.1 won't be available on ovi17:00
admiral0maybe v2.017:00
Corsacyeah, I'll wait :)17:07
CorsacI already have a lot of issue with flaky hw17:07
Corsacso I'm not pushing to hard on experimental stuff :/17:07
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rZrhi Corsac going to fosdem too ?17:15
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itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: btw signon-oauth2plugin is part of the pr1.2 beta17:29
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itsnotabigtruckso it looks like you got your wish17:29
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damaltoritsnotabigtruck: is there a list of _all_ changes and fixes in 1.2 anywhere?17:52
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itsnotabigtruckdamaltor: nope, just that release notes page which is pretty incomplete18:03
itsnotabigtrucki got that ^ by looking at the packages list on a pr1.2 rootfs dump18:03
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vinceIs the "Meego SDK" better suited than QtSDK for cross-compiling configure-based (non-Qt) apps/libs (target is N9) ?18:20
khertan^^ whouhou !18:20
khertansomething interesting ... a real innovation in file sync ... From 200518:21
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admiral0vince: yes18:26
vinceadmiral0: thanks18:26
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itsnotabigtruckvince: i think you want the 'harmattan platform sdk'18:53
itsnotabigtruckyou can get it from the nokia site18:54
itsnotabigtruckthe 'meego sdk' is probably for actual meego18:54
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vinceitsnotabigtruck: uh, ok, thanks :)18:54
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DrGrovDoes anyone know what is the exact size of the wallpapers coming with the N9? They are only portrait if I understand it right?18:58
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itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: 480x85419:03
DrGrovThanks itsnotabigtruck19:03
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: I am trying to do some nice custom wallpaper, something a bit different than the wallpapers people usually have.19:04
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DrGrov480 x 854 yes?19:06
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: yup19:08
itsnotabigtrucksame res as the droid 1, afaik19:08
itsnotabigtruckso you can probably find prefab wallpapers for that19:09
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: Sorry for asking again. I have some font issues here on the computer in XChat so I can not see almost anything but trying to fix it19:09
itsnotabigtruckif you want landscape mode it has to be 854x854, it uses the top 854x480 in landscape and the left 480x854 in portrait19:09
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itsnotabigtruckthe other 374x374 is ignorable19:09
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: The N9 is always only in portrait mode yes if no tweaks are made?19:10
itsnotabigtruck(i might be slightly wrong on that, maybe it uses the bottom?)19:10
itsnotabigtruckand yeah, landscape is only on if the user hacked iton19:10
DrGrovI read that there is a possibility to use a custom wallpaper on the actual 3 home screens as well? That is a hack yes?19:10
itsnotabigtruckhmm, got a link?19:10
DrGrovJust give me a sec, I have to fix this font issue in XChat. I do not see anything :/19:11
DrGrovOk, now it seems decent at least : )19:12
DrGrovSo yes, a link to the custom wallpaper on 3 home screens19:12
DrGrovI honestly do not remember, but I can look into it if you like? I found it on some unofficial N9 user blog. Found it IIRC on talk.maemo.org19:12
DrGrovBut I am looking at TMO now to find the link for you itsnotabigtruck19:13
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: Is it OK if I return to you on that a bit later on tonight?19:17
DrGrovI can not seem to find it but I gotta ru19:17
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damaltoritsnotabigtruck, DrGrov:
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damaltoritsnotabigtruck: even better: up to 6 different images for tasks/feeds/apps view, landscape/portrait view:
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djszapirzr: ping20:29
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SqRt7744has anyone tried to install pr 1.2 on the N9?20:48
Rantwolfthis rc is imho only for the n95020:51
admiral0Rantwolf: open mode + selected binaries install20:55
admiral0it's possible20:55
admiral0but i'm not doing it20:55
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Rantwolfi thought it wan't possible20:55
Rantwolfbut i don't want to try it too20:55
SqRt7744admiral0, try it out. If it bricks your phone, let us know :-)20:55
admiral0on linux with enough swears, beer & red bulls everything is possible20:55
admiral0SqRt7744: i have to study :(20:56
SqRt7744i admire your dedication. i used to be that, i think until the end of second year.20:57
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admiral0i did this while "studying"20:59
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trxjust flashed pr1.2 on my n950, everything works fine for now22:17
rzrdjszapi: as promised here i am am22:28
djszapirzr: the promise keeper !22:28
rzrdjszapi: so lets start kde on harmattan22:28
djszapiIt would be nice to upgrade to the freshly released KDE 4.822:29
rzryou did build it ?22:29
djszapiso that we could try out the plasma components without further hardware requirements. First step is to upgrade kdelibs (and any of its dependencies if needed)22:29
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rzron current version does it change from upstream ?22:30
djszapiwe need kde-runtime built, but that was done. We need to update the kdelibs and then kde-runtime packages. I checked out the Ubuntu&Debian VCS repositories last time for 4.722:31
rzrdo would thoses patch  apply to 4.8 ?22:31
djszapiprobably not.22:31
djszapibut there might be new patches.22:31
djszapigit archive --format=tar --prefix=kdelibs/ KDE/4.8 | bzip2 -9 > kde4libs_4.8.orig.tar.bz2 -> you can get the orig.tar.bz2 this way.22:32
rzrdo some of us will have to try to build it on their scratchbox22:32
djszapiyeah, but please bear in mind, one build is about 5-6 hours.22:32
djszapiI think I fixed the biggest issue last time, the automoc failure with mobile profile, but the install file fixes also take a time.22:33
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rzrone question ? who is using those libs ?22:34
rzrwho not what :-)22:35
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DrGrovMay I ask a non-developer related issue since I am not getting any answer in #n9 ?22:35
rzrsure fire22:35
djszapirzr: I do not know, but I am a user, and my friends Aleix Pol for sure22:35
djszapisame with tsdgeos, yet another Spanish hacker.22:36
DrGrovWhat could be the issue of the N9 when I have the original silicon protection case around it? It seems to make a sound around when I press it. Like it would "brake" if I press too hard. Anyone else experiencing these type of problems?22:36
DrGrovSorry, I posted it here anyhow. Got an answer at #n9 the moment I posted here. Sorry about that.22:36
djszapi -> We could use the plasma components instead of Harmattan for experiment, once kde-runtime is up-to-date.22:36
rzri see kontact has been ported22:37
djszapithough I dislike the ui ;-)22:38
djszapibut yes, and many plasma component apps are already done on PA.22:39
djszapiand it we can get them work, that would be cool.22:39
rzrnot yet in debian22:39
djszapibecause even if it is not properly working with plasma components: it is super simple to port to Harmattan components.22:39
djszapibuntu ?22:39
rzrwe can try22:40
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rzrbut you will merge the patches :-)22:41
djszapithe hardest part is not the merging.22:41
djszapibecause you can realize if something does not apply anymore instantly. The worst part, except the serious internal build issues, the install files.22:42
rzrX-Fade will hate us22:42
djszapibut they were bigger problems at the first version. It should be way easier to just update it.22:42
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djszapiput it differently: we are gonna hate OBS, if it does not produce KDE stuff ;-)22:43
rzri am uploading22:44
djszapialso, libkdeedu is broken for some reasons an OBS22:44
djszapiand works fine locally.22:44
djszapiyou might be able to fix the issue ?22:44
rzrthis is the place i put ubuntu import22:45
rzrfeel free to fork it22:46
djszapiright, does Ubuntu have patches for KDE 4.8. in their VCS ?22:46
rzrcheck debian/control22:46
djszapiThis package has no files yet22:47
rzrslow to upload22:47
ZogG_laptopanyone used xauth or know examples of it's usage with native plugins?22:48
rzrdjszapi: that one is built
djszapiyes, but badly :)22:49
rzrdjszapi: depends on latest qt22:50
rzryou can try to drop version of debian/control but does it worth the try22:51
djszapibut we might wanna have qt5 build though.22:52
rzrin 2038 ? :)22:52
e0xZogG_laptop: imgrup app just show the gallery of the day ?22:52
rzrwell it's here now22:52
rzror there22:52
djszapino, december is the end of the world :)22:53
djszapiyou might wanna check out qgil's links:
djszapiI think it would be nice to get a qt5 snapshot package.22:54
rzrhave done qt for too long22:55
rzri wish i can get back on it on qt522:55
ZogG_laptope0x: it can be easily changed to top or fresh22:55
e0xZogG_laptop: right now or will be..22:55
rzrdjszapi: have you investigated the "html5 features" of qt ?22:56
djszapibtw, I am now making then a qt5 package for Harmattan, if you do not mind.22:57
rzrsure have fun22:58
e0xZogG_laptop: ?22:58
ZogG_laptope0x: ?23:00
itsnotabigtruckdamaltor: thanks for the links23:01
rzrdjszapi: btw do you know about repository dependencies ?23:01
djszapirzr: kanagram is unresolved.23:01
ZogG_laptopright now i can do it by changing request23:01
itsnotabigtruckthough i kinda like the tasteful blank default23:01
ZogG_laptope0x: you want to choose?23:01
djszapirzr: could you please fix that ?23:01
itsnotabigtruck(also helps w/ battery)23:01
rzrdjszapi: you can depends on my repo in your project23:01
rzrdjszapi: that way can do any experimental stuff you want23:02
djszapirzr: kanagram is important to build23:02
djszapiit only depends on libkdeedu, and works locally23:03
djszapicould you investigate why it is in unresolved stage on obs ?23:03
trxi installed pr1.2, enabled third party packages, and added repository and now i am trying to install gstreamer-tools package (as root) but aegis rejects it.. any advice?23:05
djszapihard to guess without seeing the rejection...23:06
trxgive me a min ill copy it23:06
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djszapitrx: yes, I had the same few weeks ago.23:09
djszapiI even asked it here.23:09
djszapino clue.23:09
djszapithe harmattan3 repo is probably outdated for this or so23:09
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trxi downloaded the package manually and used dpgk -i /path/package_name.deb23:12
trxand it installed it without problems23:12
djszapiI know.23:12
rzrdjszapi: that one is up to date23:12
djszapirzr: yes because it is not upstream23:13
djszapiit is a debian helper script collection for building kde packages.23:13
rzryes i know23:13
rzrbut that version is higher than yours23:13
rzri am rebuilding to see if using it can unblock the issue23:13
djszapiplease do not rebuild it.23:14
djszapiit will trigger a rebuild for everything23:14
djszapiand we do not wanna have regressions. :)23:14
djszapinor full KDE stack rebuild.23:14
rzrwell it can be disabled later ?23:14
djszapinot really, once it is done.23:14
rzrdoesnt it pull them back ?23:15
djszapiplease do not touch the ground under the world :)23:16
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djszapifor no real reason :p23:16
rzrwell time is up23:17
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trxi am trying to stream my n950 cam to pc using this : but it fails23:56
trxif i just change "camera-device" to =1 (front camera)23:56
trxit works perfectly...23:57
trxany advice? :/23:57

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