IRC log of #harmattan for Thursday, 2012-01-26

itsnotabigtruckmgedmin: perhaps i'm wrong, i don't have it installed right now00:00
mgedminrd is research and development?  and source is package repository?00:00
itsnotabigtruckit looks like the helvetica lookalike is called 'SwissA'00:01
itsnotabigtruckhelvetica = switzerland00:01
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itsnotabigtruckrm, what's RM-58100:05
itsnotabigtruckyet another model number00:05
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ZogG_lap1opi like how shazam was showen on n900 and never released, same story with shazam icon harmattan webpage for developer and no release00:11
itsnotabigtrucki guess 581's just yet another prototype device00:11
ZogG_lap1ophate them00:11
itsnotabigtruckZogG_lap1op: meh, shazam's nothing great anyway, but yeah00:11
ZogG_lap1opi would prefer soundhound anyway but they released win app allready00:11
itsnotabigtruckthat sort of thing is awfully common00:11
itsnotabigtruckcool stuff put together for a tech demo, then they lock it away never to be seen again00:11
ZogG_lap1opbut it's already out for n8 and other - whta's the bg deal?00:12
itsnotabigtruckis there such a thing as an aegis-aware dpkg-repack?00:12
itsnotabigtruckthe name 'dpkg-repack' seems awfully familiar, as if i've seen it talked about here before00:13
ZogG_lap1opwhat is dpkg-repack and what do you mean?00:14
itsnotabigtruckit uses the dpkg metadata to reassemble an installed package into a deb00:14
itsnotabigtruckthe idea is to repack items of interest from the pr1.2 rootfs to put them on the n9 early :p00:14
itsnotabigtruckunless there's an easier way...e.g. if the N950 PR1.2 rootfs is N9-compatible00:16
ZogG_lap1opdont do it00:18
ZogG_lap1opfirst of all think of aegis itself it differ00:19
ZogG_lap1opsecond of all - think of it being possible would be ididotci to have aegias at all00:19
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ZogG_lap1opas you would be able to inject something else in code00:20
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ZogG_lap1opsimple like that00:20
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itsnotabigtruckerm, i think there's less difference than you think00:21
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itsnotabigtruckand aegis ought not to be a problem if the root keys are the same00:21
ZogG_lap1opso i can replace something file with samesize and name and use it00:21
alteregoTalk to MohammadAG00:22
ZogG_lap1ophe doesn't want to talk to me anymore00:22
alteregoitsnotabigtruck: RE dpkg-repack00:22
ZogG_lap1opMohammadAG: y u not00:22
itsnotabigtruckalterego: alright, cool00:23
ZogG_lap1opi know one guy who make packages from installed payed apps from ovi and pirate them but i think you need dev mod to install them00:23
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alteregoWell, you would.00:23
itsnotabigtruckfor what it's worth, /var/lib/aegis/domains is the same between n9 pr1.1 and n950 pr1.2, except for the addition of <key>PGP::1F1204F37047CFACCC1E2EF0F26394D67FF273D2</key> (which is the r&d key)00:23
itsnotabigtruckalterego: well, that's why i mentioned "aegis-aware"...this can only work if everything, including the signatures, is put into the package00:25
ZogG_lap1opalterego: i would what?00:25
itsnotabigtrucksince lots of built-in packages are in the domain and get extra privilege00:25
itsnotabigtruckZogG_lap1op: need dev mode on00:25
itsnotabigtruckif dev mode has to be on, that means it's relying on the developer-unknown policy, which means that it isn't repacking aegis data probably00:26
ZogG_lap1opwhat is com stands for communcation?00:26
itsnotabigtruckZogG_lap1op: no, it's a domain name backwards00:26
itsnotabigtruckso it stands for .com, as in
ZogG_lap1opbut WHY???00:26
itsnotabigtruckbeats has a similar arrangement00:28
itsnotabigtruckmaybe they got the idea from there00:28
ZogG_lap1opbut there is no java on harmattan00:28
mgedmin forgets to mention that the Harmattan 1.2 firmware is BETA00:29
ZogG_lap1opit's always beta00:29
mgedmin"Note: You cannot return from a Chinese variant to the corresponding Global variant! So unless you are developing for the applications for the Chinese markets, do not install the Chinese variant on your device."00:29
ZogG_lap1opthey ashame to call it not beta00:29
mgedminseriously, what's this newfound fascination with the one-way upgrades???00:29
ZogG_lap1opdropbox policy =)00:30
ZogG_lap1opno dropbox and what else on china variant00:30
mgedminoooh! "Mail thread support in the Email client"00:30
mgedminmaybe the mail app will be not-useless for the first time EVER?00:30
rzrdo you know a way to store contacts on imap ?00:30
mgedmin"Compass support in Maps", at last!00:31
ZogG_lap1opi use mail app00:31
ZogG_lap1opi thik gmail made you spoiled00:31
ZogG_lap1opthere people still using ie bing and hotmail/yahoo mail00:31
itsnotabigtruckmgedmin: with nokia it's oldfound, they've been blocking downgrades for a long time00:32
mgedminnot on maemo...00:32
itsnotabigtruckit's probably possible to downgrade using phoenix, it's possible to do that with symbian phones00:32
itsnotabigtruckany idea what \var\lib\aegis\certs\user\omb-user\d0ade470efcbb90c1fcba24adeb74cad6b78fe8c.pem is?00:33
itsnotabigtruck(pretend those are forward slashes)00:33
ZogG_lap1opif they not write it in bootloader or something00:33
rzrare you using a caldav server ?00:33
ZogG_lap1opwhen yo ucan't00:33
itsnotabigtruck there's a password protected key for that certificate in the rootfs00:33
mgedmingmail, shmail, I use mutt00:33
ZogG_lap1opmgedmin: i use sendmail on localhost =)00:34
ZogG_lap1opi use wall on local machine (foreveralone)00:34
mgedminmailing lists were invented so that you can pretend to have friends (or enemies)00:35
ZogG_lap1opwall is better00:35
ajalkaneSo... seems like PR 1.2 is the best thing ever?00:36
ZogG_lap1opno pr1.3 is better00:36
itsnotabigtruckajalkane: except for the compatibility problems, seems so00:36
itsnotabigtruckthat's why i'm looking for a way to shoehorn it on my n9 :p00:36
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ajalkaneitsnotabigtruck: compatibility problems due to the font size change?00:37
itsnotabigtruckajalkane: nah, there were some aegis violations on existing apps00:37
ZogG_lap1opaegis rapes i would say00:37
kimjuhmm, I wonder.. does the pr1.2 have a new url/credentials in apt sources? if you just copy that to a pr1.1 device, would it then do the upgrade in place, without flashing..00:37
ajalkaneitsnotabigtruck: for fucks sake. They've screwed it tighter? Any idea what credentials/capabilities are now forbidden?00:38
rzrkimju: hey00:38
rzrkimju: is screwed00:38
ZogG_lap1opwhat is the addons?00:39
ZogG_lap1opcustom smileys?00:39
itsnotabigtruckajalkane: possibly...i didn't see anything that was on the allowed list before that isn't still there00:39
ZogG_lap1opkeyboard layouts?00:39
kimjuZogG_lap1op, mostly usable finnish layout, but I've made some changes to the english keymap too00:40
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itsnotabigtruckkimju: it doesn't look like the new stuff is in the repos00:40
kimjurzr, how screwed?00:40
ZogG_lap1opitsnotabigtruck: what stuff?00:41
rzrkimju: pasted at
rzr"dpkg-divert: Installation error, diversions are not allowed."00:42
rzrwhat apps are you installing ?00:42
npmafter trying out PR1.2, where can i trade in my Lumia for an N9 :-)00:43
kimjuI'm using dpkg-divert to move the original /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rm-680 aside and replace it with the new version00:43
rzryes i know00:43
ajalkanenpm: let me know if you find out. My Lumia is resting it's coffin since new year00:43
rzrbut try to install on latest fw00:43
kimjumeh. that was the cleanest solution I come up with previously. need to think something new if that is now disallowd.00:44
itsnotabigtruckZogG_lap1op: any of the stuff that's new in the new image00:44
rzrwell we can gain root and do the job00:44
rzrbut this is not the dpkg way00:44
itsnotabigtruckwhat's policy-settings-override-00100:44
kimjuI guess that replacing the dpkg-divert with mv is going to work fine. but it's just wrong.00:45
npmmy lumia is my phone ; my n950 is my computer00:45
npmmy n900 is my radio00:45
rzrand your wife00:46
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ajalkaneMy lumia is my undead corpse, summoned when I want to be a fruit Ninja. My N950 is my beloved, caressed and slept with.00:46
kimjuI just re-acquired a 770. so now I have 770, n800, n810, n900 and n950. n810 and n950 are in daily use.00:47
rzrno n9 ?00:47
nwokihi guys, qtsdk fails to upload packages to my n9 all of a sudden. Anyone know what could cause this?00:47
kimjuno, will probably get one used for the collection when they are starting to get obsolete :)00:48
nwokitried a test app (qtsdk default) but neither can that be installed to device00:48
kimjurzr, anyway, I'll flash the n950 tomorrow and fix the kbd-package in some way or an another.00:49
rzrtake your time00:50
rzri just wanted to report the issue00:50
nwokii get the "FILE NOT FOUND" error but the exe is there00:50
rzri can rebuild it if you want00:50
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djszapiHi! Do you know how to get the package not stripped after the ceremony ? override_dh_nostrip: did not help. Manual build remains unstripped, thus something is wrong about the packaging.00:56
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ajalkanelol, ceremony?00:58
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ajalkaneI'd like to one-up that and call it sermon01:06
ZogG_lap1opwhat is sermon?01:07
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ZogG_lap1opmeh, ceremony is much better01:07
ZogG_lap1opcontrol rules are more like sermon01:08
djszapi -> this is my rules file, so the debug option passed and the strip stage is also overriden properly.01:08
ajalkaneZogG_lap1op: On further thinking I think you're right01:08
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ZogG_lap1op - cool stuff01:09
ajalkaneThat Raspberry PI stuff gets me all jiggly wanting to get one. It'd make a fine small personal server.01:11
ajalkaneAnd finally a server that my wife could not object to based on "that hideous thing makes awful noise"01:11
djszapiwhich world do you live in ?01:13
djszapihave had a server for many years without making noises.01:13
rzrajalkane: running SSD ?01:14
ajalkaneI live in a far away world, that includes a budgie, two children, and a wife that keeps my spending under control. Damn this mystical world!01:14
rzrmy server/freedombox is my NAS01:15
ajalkanerzr: I think I could run my little server off an SD card. My previous server (may it rest in peace) used only few gigabytes of storage01:15
rzrajalkane: what does it run ? ssh irc ?01:15
ajalkanerzr: yeah I pretty much used it only for irc client, svn server, jabber server (I don't even have use for that), and http server. Git repository would be useful now too.01:16
ajalkaneah yeah I used it as a game lobby server too, but it's not needed anymore for that01:17
rzrgame lobby server ?01:20
rzrwhat is it supposed to be ?01:20
ajalkanerzr: it was just for on-line racing for this old game called Re-Volt01:21
ZogG_lap1opi use my server to download internets01:23
ZogG_lap1opsimple enuf01:23
ajalkaneBut internet is so huge, I'd need a big HD :(01:23
rzrthis mean internet2 exists !!!01:24
rzrif you download them all01:24
rzrhow many internets are there ?01:24
rzrwould aint be cool if we could setup a network of all internets ...01:24
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ajalkaneThat'd be a lot of porn. Cool!01:25
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itsnotabigtruck here's a comparison of the packages in N9 variant 001 pr1.1, and N950 pr1.201:25
itsnotabigtruckignoring versions01:26
rzrare you able to use telepathy-idle ? djszapi ?01:26
itsnotabigtrucka lot of it's just noise due to 001 vs DADD packages01:26
ieatlintoh good, they updated the swipe-tutorial01:26
rzrieatlint: are u using it ?01:27
ieatlintof course01:27
ieatlintit's awesome01:27
ajalkanehaha, u use tutorial. Noob!01:28
ajalkanebtw. anyone know where swype dictionary resides?01:28
ieatlinthey, everyone was a noob at one point01:28
ajalkaneWould like to backup it before I update01:28
ajalkaneieatlint: true that :(. I admit to looking at swype's web-page to learn it's magical features01:29
ieatlintajalkane: you're confusing swype and swipe01:29
ajalkaneI wonder if they fixed the problem with swype and the browser01:29
ajalkaneoh... lol... yeah01:30
ieatlintwhat problem with the browser?01:30
ajalkanewith swype keyboard enabled, if you hit keys one by one with an url that's already on the history it doesn't take all keystrokes but replaces the earlier keystrokes with later while updating the history view01:31
itsnotabigtruckactually, that means they took out swipe-tutorial :p01:32
itsnotabigtruckbut that might just be because they don't ship that on dev units01:32
rzrright i missread i thought u were refering to the kb swype01:32
ieatlintajalkane: i don't have that issue01:32
ajalkaneieatlint: with PR 1.1?01:32
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ieatlintalthough i just checked on an n9, but i doubt its different01:33
ajalkaneHumm, strange.01:33
itsnotabigtruckit looks like the notable additions are XT9 for hebrew and thai, the dropbox client, and a upnp server01:33
ieatlintnope, same on the n95001:33
ajalkaneSay I have many URLs in the history, and I start writing in the URL t...w...i, it just writes "ti"01:33
ieatlintitsnotabigtruck: the nfc stuff for the n9 will be big01:34
ajalkaneof course if I write slow enough it's successfull, but with normal speed not01:34
ieatlintand folders01:34
itsnotabigtruckieatlint: why is that?01:34
itsnotabigtrucknfc is dead on arrival technology being pushed by wishful thinking on the part of banks01:35
ieatlintheh, only if you think of it as a payment system01:35
itsnotabigtruckexcept the n9 doesn't support nfc payment anyway01:35
itsnotabigtruckso that makes it doubly useless01:35
ieatlintthe updated version supposedly fixes some nfc issues, and adds some additional p2p functionality01:35
itsnotabigtruckcool concept though01:35
ieatlintthe bluetooth pairing thing is actually really convenient, and nfc business cards are awesome01:36
itsnotabigtruckthe problem is that there's a good chance i'll never meet anyone irl with an nfc phone, and who knows how to use it01:36
ieatlintactually, a significant number of the new android phones set to come out this year will have nfc01:37
itsnotabigtruckn9 isn't distributed through normal channels in the us, and most carrier subsidized phones with nfc have it turned off01:37
ieatlintand the rumours are still abound that the iphone5 will01:37
itsnotabigtruckwhen it is present, it's usually for payment, only01:37
ajalkaneMaybe in 10 years. Since there's little hope of getting another maemo based device before then, we might be collecting our NFC rewards then01:37
itsnotabigtruckusually in conjunction with some carrier money grab01:37
ieatlintgoogle is pushing the nfc bit for payments, and the benefits will be that it will become more common01:38
ieatlintbut there are a lot of applications that are not payment related01:38
ieatlintthe most obvious being exchanging vcards01:38
itsnotabigtruckand most of those applications have to do with wishful thinking on the part of marketers01:38
ZogG_lap1opi can read my bus card with nfc01:38
itsnotabigtruckthey want a more intrusive version of qr codes01:38
ZogG_lap1opbut it says it empty =\01:38
itsnotabigtruckbecause qr cards took off like a tonne of bricks, with a few exceptions01:39
ZogG_lap1opthough i know for sure it's not01:39
itsnotabigtruck*qr codes01:39
ieatlintZogG_lap1op: the ones here can actually be read by a phone and will show you the balance on the card, and the last 10 trips you took or so01:39
ieatlintitsnotabigtruck: intrusive?01:39
itsnotabigtruckieatlint: yeah, the idea is that it shows up if your phone is near the product/ad01:39
ieatlintand also, qrcodes are growing fast... they're on half the advertisements i see at bus stops01:39
ZogG_lap1opieatlint: maybe mine is not that progresive ?01:39
itsnotabigtruckrather than requiring action to start the qr code reader, scan the code, open the link, etc.01:40
ZogG_lap1opieatlint: or maybe it is incripted?01:40
ieatlintitsnotabigtruck: near is a relative term, it's not like you walk by it and your phone beeps01:40
ieatlintZogG_lap1op: likely... the transit card here is a mifare desfire card, which has read access but writing requires a key01:40
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itsnotabigtruckalso personally i dislike the idea of those sorts of electronic transit cards (as mentioned earlier)...something like new york's system is a lot more anonymous01:41
itsnotabigtrucki.e. throwaway magstripe cards that have no identity info01:41
ieatlintnew york's system is annoying01:42
itsnotabigtruckas opposed to e.g. the uk system where you register your ID for a permanent transit card01:42
ieatlintand if you're about to turn this into a "the government is tracking you" conversation, no thanks01:42
itsnotabigtruckwell, they are...that's not a conspiracy theory, that's a fact01:42
ieatlinti have an oyster card that doesn't have my name or credit card attached to01:42
ieatlintheh, hardly01:43
itsnotabigtruckit's just that they aren't interested in that many people, except for statistical purposes01:43
itsnotabigtruckbut of course if the powers that be are interested in you, there's an almost limitless number of ways to follow where you are and what you do01:43
ieatlintthey maintain records, sure01:43
ieatlintbut here they need a judge to sign off on access to those records01:43
itsnotabigtruckthat's the power of mass surveillance, you gather info on everybody, so that it's always ready when you want it01:43
ieatlintsounds like we should destroy all technology01:44
ieatlintand introduce legislation to ban unique identifiers01:44
ieatlint"an IMSI is really just a way for them to track you!"01:44
itsnotabigtruckobviously i'm not advocating the first part01:45
itsnotabigtruckas for the latter part, in many ways it is01:45
itsnotabigtruckit offers a convenient way to continue geolocating people if they swap sims but not phones01:45
ieatlintactually the other way01:46
ieatlintif they swap phones but not sims01:46
itsnotabigtruckerm, right, i was thinking of the IMEI01:46
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itsnotabigtruckthe IMSI obviously services a purpose01:46
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itsnotabigtruckit is kinda strange how smart cards (in all forms) haven't really caught on at all in the us01:49
itsnotabigtruckthe only real exception is the sim card, and over half of cell phone users are on cdma networks and therefore don't have those either01:50
itsnotabigtruckbut e.g. contactless smart transit cards, emv credit cards, smart id cards, etc. haven't really been deployed01:51
ieatlintthe lte networks use sim cards actually01:51
itsnotabigtruckyeah but vzw is barely starting to deploy lte01:51
ieatlintbut contactless transit cards are in at least two major cities i know01:51
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itsnotabigtrucknot nyc, chicago, or wash dc though01:52
ieatlintjust thought of a third... seattle, boston and san francisco [bay area]01:52
itsnotabigtruckactually maybe chicago, i'm not sure01:52
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ieatlintprobably not too far from off in dc, the company that runs the metro's fare gates is the same one that runs the transit card for san francisco, cubic01:53
itsnotabigtruckyeah, the chicago el uses contactless01:53
itsnotabigtruckand that's cubic also01:53
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ieatlintalso, for vehicles, an active rfid system is used across the country01:55
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itsnotabigtruckright, ez-pass01:55
itsnotabigtruck(screw everything about that)01:55
ieatlintreally it's just payment cards that don't have them01:55
itsnotabigtruckthe federal gov never should have allowed interstates to have tolls01:56
ieatlinthappily out west where i live, they don't have tolls01:57
itsnotabigtruckthey're inching in slowly01:57
ieatlintnot really01:58
itsnotabigtruckthey're putting in a new bridge over the columbia, and the portland government insists on tolling it01:58
itsnotabigtruckalso the washington state gov has imposed tolls on some bridges01:58
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ieatlintoh, tolls are bridges are another story01:58
itsnotabigtrucki'm pretty sure there's tolls in CA too01:58
ieatlintonly on bridges, and 4 highways in orange county that nobody cares about01:59
itsnotabigtruck google turned up this after a short search01:59
itsnotabigtruckthat's probably one of those 4 :p01:59
ajalkanetrolls and bridges is just a fairy tale. I should know, I've read it to my kid01:59
ieatlintyep, and if you look at it, it runs parallel to a larger road that's free01:59
itsnotabigtruckthe point is, local and state governments are always looking for ways to claw more money, and tolls are an effective way to do that01:59
itsnotabigtruckwell, they think, then they end up paying 80% to contractors02:00
ieatlintwell, clearly the answer is to vote ron paul02:00
itsnotabigtruckor sometimes the goal is to avoid having to fund roads at all, so they privatize them02:01
itsnotabigtrucki don't think that's actually happened much yet, but there's been a decent amount of talk about it02:01
itsnotabigtruckprivately funded roa development in favor of 100% of the tolls02:01
itsnotabigtruckpretty sure voting ron paul isn't the answer to that one :p02:01
ieatlintwhat part of the US are you in?02:02
itsnotabigtrucki'm from oregon, so i'm used to not having tolls02:02
itsnotabigtruckor sales tax :D02:02
ieatlintoregon has good beer02:03
itsnotabigtruckso i hear02:04
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ieatlinti'm too wussy, could easily see it brick the phone02:52
ajalkanehmm... I can try it on my Lumia if you provide instructions. It's practically a brick anyway already.02:55
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Milhousemaybe it's just me, but is anyone getting twitter tweets appearing in their feed view?03:42
Milhousei'm not... :(03:42
npmum, what's the default PR1.2 root/user password?? (i tried the usual
npmyeah didn't work03:42
Milhouseno user password - user account is locked. unlock it with passwd -u user, then set a password if you want it to have one (better to use certificate authentication)03:43
Milhouseyou can't ssh in as root since pr1.103:43
npmah thanks, i'm a version skipper :-)03:44
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npmactually i'm a two-version skipper :-)03:44
Milhouseaha... in that case you need to log in as user, then devel-su etc.03:44
npmwhat's user login03:45
npmi mean pw03:45
Milhousesee above03:45
Milhousethere ain't one03:45
npmdidn't work03:45
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Milhousenpm - do you have tweets appearing in your Feed view?03:51
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npmok i'm in... my usb network magickally reset itself and i was sshing to myself.03:52
npmyeah tweets, facebook, the works03:53
* npm "/home/developer $ "03:53
Milhousebugger... thanks. maybe i need to delete my twitter account and re-add03:53
Milhouseworks fine in the twitter app, nothing appearing in the Feed view03:54
npmi started from scratch other than importing from n90003:55
npm(contacts etc)03:55
npmdespite a hungry n950 that needs feeding via ssh, i must go to dinner :-(03:57
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Milhousehurrah.... haz twitter in feed view! Had to delete my Twitter account, and re-add it. Tweets appeared during next scheduled automatic update. Phew...04:18
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* vladest flashed pr1.2 and now sim card is rejected and no way to install debug package. any1 aware about how to fix this?07:29
RST38hyeah, gdb no longer installs07:30
RST38hapt-get install fromthe ovi store does not appear to work either07:30
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vladestwhat about sim card?07:39
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ieatlinthas anyone installed pr1.2 without erasing the emmc first and had any issues?08:12
ieatlintam trying it now, shall see08:14
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DocScrutinizerdamn, updating a HARM device is even more scary than flashing BIOS on pre-2000 mainboards where BIOS flashrom is soldered09:08
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pawkyDocScrutinizer: Welcome to the club.... ;-)09:28
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ArkanoiD_turning virtual keyboard on and off now almost certainly damages terminal so it gets shrinked to 5 lines of text09:33
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ieatlinti haven't had issues flashing my devices thankfully09:48
ieatlintoooh, nice new feature of pr1.2... in the browser, if you open a second page in a new window, and then close that page, it goes back to the original page instead of the task switcher09:50
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leinirHmmmm... that's the sort of thing those devs should be putting up on the wiki as a howto :)09:53
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leinirThey're not the only people who need to be able to do that ;)09:53
ieatlintthe drive app has a LOT of new features too09:54
ieatlintmuch more useful (eg, things like avoid toll roads)09:54
RST38hMoo all09:55
RST38hSo, is there a crowd-sourced list of PR1.2 changes somewhere?09:55
ArkanoiD_ damn it sucks :-(09:55
_MeeGoBot_Bug 245 maj, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, REOP, CPU 100% tracker contacts merge09:55
ieatlintstreet names support in the voice navigation too09:55
ArkanoiD_the whole idea of using tracker for everything was totally insane09:55
ArkanoiD_unlike sqlite you cannot even diagnose and repair it if it gets screwed09:56
leinirieatlint: Oooh... now /that/ is impressive :) so you're saying, it's now on par with tomtom's iOS app? ;)09:56
ieatlinti'm saying it's more functional09:59
ieatlintbut i am not making comparisons, or specifically stating it is functional09:59
leinir*giggles* :)09:59
ieatlintdefinitely huge usability improvements in pr1.210:00
ieatlintcamera also has a lot of nice updates10:00
ArkanoiD_and we still cannot merge contactos properly :-/10:03
djszapimaybe in pr1.810:03
ieatlinti solved that by just storing all my contacts in google, and resolved dupes there10:04
djszapianybody got the flashing work on Linux?10:05
ArkanoiD_iealint i did the same, until it borked10:05
ieatlintworks for me on 2 devices10:05
ieatlintdjszapi: flashed mine in linux, but i didn't use the ocf script10:06
ArkanoiD_djszapi, me. just disable stupid cdc_phonet (or whatever it is called) module10:06
leinirHum, can't say i've had problems - what's the issue with contacts?10:06
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djszapiArkanoiD_: I tried that, but it did not help. :/10:06
ArkanoiD_leinir, when i try to merge contact with another one which is actually online service contact, everything gets fscked up10:06
djszapiit might be that I already have higher than PR1.2 :D10:07
ArkanoiD_djszapi, likely.10:07
ArkanoiD_it explicitly says you cannot downgrade10:07
leinirHmmm... i've done that a lot, hasn't borked here... but surely, now that i'm aware some people have problems, i won't likely be able to get it to work again ;)10:07
djszapiArkanoiD_: I can, but that is gonna remain my secret :P10:07
ArkanoiD_(i think coldflashing should help in most cases)10:08
djszapitried that as well for sure.10:09
djszapiI tried all the steps I was recommending to others precedingly. :p10:09
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DocScrutinizerleinir: it seems a rather simple thing to do, e.g. settings is using it all the time, when you "go back" (bottom left "key")10:16
leinirDocScrutinizer: Aah yes, of course, i forgot they're separate windows too :) Would be good to have it documented somewhere anyway (if it isn't already, must confess i've not really looked)10:17
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djszapiheh, the Audio mobility element keeps making my application crash :D10:19
djszapi(in a random mood)10:19
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* ArkanoiD_ tried map in 1.210:26
ArkanoiD_still sucks big time. still directs you to 4-ya Tverskaya-Yamskaya street when you search for Tverskaya, 410:28
ArkanoiD_such little details render the whole thing almost unusable :-/10:28
djszapiis there anything you like ?10:28
djszapi(about the updates)10:29
ArkanoiD_Not using it long enough to notice any positive difference :-(10:29
ieatlintwell, importantly it does a decent job finding addresses in the US, a clear target country10:31
djszapiinterestingly enough they did not mention security fixes too much ...10:32
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ArkanoiD_ieatlint, ah, great. despite the fact n9 is not officially sold in US10:37
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* RST38h checks 4 Tverskaya Yamskaya10:45
RST38hdjszapi: No wonder, as they have broken Ovi Store packages installation with apt-get (that is also why restoring apps from backup fails BTW)10:46
RST38hSo, yeaaah, the "security fixes" are there all right10:46
RST38hAlso, Filemanager package does not install on PR1.2, due to some Aegis error10:47
djszapiwhat do you mean ?10:47
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RST38hArkanoid: I think it wants you to go to the International Kennel Union =)10:49
RST38hdjszapi: choose a random free Ovi Store package aaa and do apt-get install aaa from xterm10:50
ArkanoiD_and now after restore i have phantom app that shows calendar events on the feed screen10:52
ArkanoiD_it does not exist in dpkg -l but it is there and working10:52
RST38hthere is a third party app for that10:52
RST38hI have it installed btw10:52
djszapiRST38h: I do not have the package from OVI, and I do not plan to grab it from some tmp diretory either for now :)10:53
djszapiwhy would I do that usually, btw ? :)10:53
ArkanoiD_i know, i had it installed before but now i found a new one and cannot uninstall the older one because system does not think it exists10:53
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RST38hArkanoiD: Uninstallable from Manage Applications, afaik10:55
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RST38hNo big deal10:55
ArkanoiD_no, it is not there either10:55
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RST38hAnd you have probably forgotten the package name, that is why you "can't find" it with dpkg -l10:55
ArkanoiD_could be so obscure it does not grep10:56
RST38hyeah, more or less - had this problem many times10:56
RST38hMeanwhile, KDE 4.8 is out, and looks like it is the only remaining option for someone using computer professionally11:00
RST38h(if we discount Xfce/Lxde/TWM/etc for a second)11:01
khertan_RST38h, gnome 3.211:01
khertan_RST38h, troller !11:01
RST38hkhertan: GNOME folks can stick their media center project up their collective backside.11:01
RST38hThis is not how I use my PC.11:02
djszapiRST38h: do you like KDE4.8 ? Have not installed the release yet, just from master at some point.11:02
djszapiit is already in arch testing though.11:02
RST38hdjszapi: I do not know. Hated previous incarnations (too ugly, generally, uglier than GNOME2)11:02
khertan_RST38h, we are talking of the desktop ? wtf ? where did you see a media center ?11:02
RST38hdjszapi: But with GNOME gone off the deep end, KDE looks like this only remaining alternative11:02
khertan_RST38h, fud11:02
djszapiRST38h: have been using ratpoison for six years or so :p11:03
djszapiI liked KDE until plasma :)11:03
djszapibut this new plasma is cool imho.11:03
RST38hkhertan: Sorry, but I did not see any desktop there. What I have seen is Maemo4 UI expanded to PC screen11:03
khertan_RST38h, so open your eyes11:03
RST38hkhertan; I am not ready to use Maemo4 UI on a PC11:03
khertan_RST38h, it s a configurable ui11:04
RST38hkhertan: Opened my eyes, even visited a loo before that, to avoid accidents11:04
khertan_you have a maemo4 ui if you put one11:04
RST38hNot configurable in any way I could find. Most settings are gone.11:04
khertan_RST38h, like saying kde suck ... by default ... there isn't any widget on plasma11:04
khertan_RST38h, settings aren't gone, there was in the beta 3.011:05
khertan_not in 3.211:05
* RST38h does not say KDE or GNOME sucks. He says GNOME3 is unusable for day to day professional work.11:05
djszapithough, it is cool for tablet.11:05
RST38hNo opinion on KDE 4.x yet, have not tried. Had to switch to Xfce.11:05
khertan_RST38h, same, i use it everyday for professional use, and i found it better than kde11:05
RST38hdjszapi: Any people with PC tablets, using them as their primary computers?11:05
RST38hTo, you know, *work*?11:06
djszapihave not really said that.11:06
RST38hThen whom is GNOME3 addressing, anyway?11:06
khertan_but maybe like stallman say it, the fact that we have such design today in the linux world is maybe due to the fact that project leader are getting old and need to wear glasses11:06
khertan_RST38h, did n't have tablet :)11:07
khertan_RST38h, gnome3 is perfect for me11:07
khertan_i like it, far better than gnome2 or kde4.x11:07
RST38hOh well11:07
khertan_(better for me)11:07
khertan_it s matter of preferences11:07
khertan_but i cann't let you said that it s not a professionnal env11:08
* RST38h isn't sure liking GNOME3 is a matter of preference, although GNOME2 vs KDE definitely was that11:08
jreznikhey, we're building enterprise desktop on top of gnome 3 :)11:09
khertan_RST38h, personnally while i like Qt, i found that KDE is a bunch of unorganized mess11:09
alteregoI've always thought that, though I've not used KDE in a long time now.11:10
khertan_alterego, i ve try kde4 and plasma, i ven't understand the concept11:10
khertan_and didn't see anything innovative11:10
khertan_maybe it s , but i ven't see11:11
RST38hjreznik: should buy your user support people a lot of antidepressants11:11
khertan_RST38h, fud11:11
RST38hjreznik: on fact, for the userbase as well11:11
RST38hkhertan: Look, I am not considering this a GNOME vs KDE race11:11
jreznikkhertan_: all activities etc. started make sense now with plasma active11:11
RST38hkhertan: And I *do not want* anything "innovative". Just want my desktop to work and let me do my job.11:12
khertan_RST38h, yep this is the problem i ve with kde11:12
jreznikI do not use activities on desktop but when I tried it on active, I really miss them on harmattan :)11:12
khertan_RST38h, bling bling ... whoa effect ... but didn't let do my job11:12
RST38hkhertan: Instead, GNOME3 offers me what looks like a media center, with most configuration options gone, and some parts of the desktop intermittently crashing (yes, I mean the file manager)11:13
khertan_jreznik, did n't see a use for it11:13
khertan_RST38h, didn't have such problem11:13
khertan_RST38h, use a real distro11:13
RST38hkhertan: I am using a real distro, Ubuntu 1111:13
RST38hkhertan: With the GNOME3 that comes with it, packaged and adapted.11:13
khertan_RST38h, it s not a distro ... it s a giant alpha tests managed by monkeys11:14
RST38hAnd before you ask, Unity is exactly the same garbage pile as GNOME3, just as "innovative" and this unusable11:14
Hq`unfortunately the trend seems to be that everything is going for improved tablet/netbook usability at the expense of traditional desktop usage...11:14
DocScrutinizerbuntkuh, a real distro... *cough*11:14
khertan_RST38h, no ... unity is really unusable11:14
khertan_but it s another story11:14
RST38hkhertan: Once I switched to Xfce, no crashes. Should I blame Canonical for that?11:14
khertan_RST38h, yeah ... they included untested package11:15
RST38hNot just "included", Khertan. They *integrated* untested *desktop environment*, this is what you are trying to say?11:15
khertan_patch most of the time thing the worst way thing just to made it11:15
RST38hWhy did this suddenly happen with GNOME3? (GNOME2 worked like a charm)11:16
khertan_RST38h, it s not just desktop it s the whole unbuntu style11:16
RST38hNever noticed it, Khertan11:16
RST38hUbuntu always "just worked" for me. Until Unity and Gnome311:16
khertan_you were lucky :)11:17
RST38hSo, I am not inclined to blame the whole Canonical team.11:17
Hq`I have to agree :P11:17
RST38hJust parts of it.11:17
Hq`unity as a default ux... totally braindead11:17
Hq`horrible usability on desktop and also buggy as hell11:18
* DocScrutinizer just thought if the analogy might fit: ubuntu is to desktop linux what HARM is to maemo11:18
khertan_ubuntu is to desktop linux what Tizen is to MeeGo11:19
khertan_it ll kill it11:19
DocScrutinizeror that :-D11:19
khertan_not because it s better, just more money11:19
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RST38hDoc: Dunno, it works. It is certainly cleaner than Redhat, too11:22
RST38hDoc: Yes, it feels like Windows, but this is not always a bad thing.11:23
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pawkyehh... of what use is tcpdump if you do not have any rights to use any interfaces?11:23
RST38hpawky: It is there as an invitation to hack Aegis.11:25
pawkybut its provided by nokia... why do they give you the opportunity to download something not working?11:26
* RST38h sighs: why do you even still have to ask?11:27
pawkybecause, I believe I did get it to work, earlier... so it must work somehow...11:27
pawkyI have a hard time believing Nokia put in something THAT useless (except for Aegis, that is). So my wonders is, what where they supposing one should use tcpdump for on the unit?11:29
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khertan_pawky: why the n9, and continue supporting the os ?  as anyway they ll drop it for that crappy Wp ?11:36
alteregoUbuntu VMs in Ubuntu work suprisingly well.11:36
khertan_pawky: probably different team  ? side effect ?11:36
alteregopawky: we use it in R&D sometimes, and as it's FOSS I think it's part of the SDK repo?11:41
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pawkyalterego: then how do you get it to work then? I need it to see why the SMTP suddenly creates a garbeled connection...11:52
pawkykhertan: Why the N9? Well... because it's linux... why else?11:53
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alteregopawky: it might work on some peoples' N9s ;)12:01
alteregoProbably not yours though :)12:01
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Khertanpawky i didn't mean why n9 is your choice :) but why nokia still update his soft12:05
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ZogG_lap1opKhertan: sup buddy12:12
ZogG_lap1opthp: ping12:12
ZogG_lap1opX-Fade: ping12:14
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* vladest flashed pr1.2 and now sim card is rejected and no way to install debug package. any1 aware about how to fix this?12:18
mjaawesome, SIP contacts no longer disappear from contacts12:19
ZogG_lap1opmja: i like that reaction12:20
ZogG_lap1opwhen you actually happy when something works as it suppose to =)12:20
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mjaZogG_lap1op: one adapts to what one is given :)12:32
mjasuch is life12:32
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artemmaGot tired with unstoppable twitter flood in your #N9 or #N950 event feed? Vote for bu
* artemma discovered harmattan bugzilla :)12:36
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artemmaBTW, what's the proper name for lately released build? Is it N950 PR1.2 or N950 PR1.2 Beta?12:36
ZogG_lap1op1.2b i assume12:37
ZogG_lap1opbtw anyone here used system share within there app?12:37
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tommasystem share? you mean sending files etc using share interface (bluetooth, nfc, mail)?12:40
ZogG_lap1opi mean the share plugin (that shows nfc, mms, twitter, and so on)12:41
ZogG_lap1opif i want to share link from my app for example12:42
ZogG_lap1opas well i would wonder how to add my own service there12:43
tommanot sure how links etc works... could be you need make some DataItems from them12:45
tommaand to add service you need to make plugin and i think sources of that shareinterface has some examples12:45
ZogG_lap1optomma: thanx12:56
ZogG_lap1optomma: but i think first example is not for me12:57
ZogG_lap1opactually my app is for sharing image to image service, i just wanted to use sharing plugin to post links, that's it =)12:57
matrixxartemma: you're missinterpreted that feature, it doesn't mean it filters your event feed13:06
artemmamatrixx: I just got same reply in bugzilla :)13:06
matrixxartemma: it means that contact card would show latest tweet from user13:06
artemmaneed to work on my English probably13:06
matrixxartemma: hehe, ok :)13:06
rantomSince the front facing camera should be usable now, according to the changelog, how does one enable it? I'm guessing that it'd be done via another application, e.g. Skype, but not in Camera?13:07
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artemmamatrixx: hey, how do you link phonebook contact to twitter? :/13:13
artemmaI mean it's cool to see twitter updates of ppl right in phonebook, butI can't figure how device knows which contact is which twitter handle13:13
matrixxartemma: probably compares name13:14
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radiofreerantom: the front camera has always worked...13:17
artemmaquite naive..13:17
radiofreein gstreamer if you use the subdevsrc with a camera-device=113:17
artemmaand I don't think I've ever seen a tweet in the contact card (facebook works fine)13:17
rantomradiofree: Yes, but I meant can a regular user still access it without e.g. Skype, if even that support it?13:18
radiofreeno skype video support13:19
rantomWithout Terminal13:19
radiofreei don't think it's possible in the camera app, but if you want to make an app then it's perfectly accessible to you13:19
radiofreerantom: you'll need to aegis is correctly though, GRP::video i think13:22
rantomradiofree: Ok. I was just confused what Nokia meant with this: "Front camera support" from:
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radiofreerantom: maybe it's been exposed more easily in some api13:26
rantomAh, ok13:26
rantomSo the same as I thought13:26
radiofreesomething like gst-launch-0.10 -m subdevsrc camera-device=1 ! xvimagesink would have always worked13:27
radiofreebut you'd have to fight with aegis with that command13:27
petteriat least with smartcam app you can use front cam on pr1.113:28
rantomStill waiting for Nokia to enable using it from Camera directly13:28
rantomNot a priority thought to me13:28
rantomThough I'd be more interested to see CardDAV supported being implemented13:29
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CokeI'm trying to enter developer mode, but it just says "Installation interrupted" and gives me the option to "Try again" or "Cancel"13:34
djszapiCoke: try again later (in 1-2 hours).13:34
Cokedjszapi: it has ALWAYS been like that.13:34
Cokedjszapi: tried a few weeks ago, was like that13:34
djszapiI have not said few weeks, when the issue can reappear. I said for 1-2 hours.13:35
Cokedjszapi: how come?13:36
Cokeis the site down?13:36
djszapiYes, we had always issues temporarily with that.13:37
djszapiIt might be another problem, but this can be one reason after all.13:37
Cokemy phone is basically useless to me until I get a terminal13:37
Cokeand when ever I've tried before (tried a dozen times) I get that error13:37
djszapin9 or N950 ?13:38
CokeI _wish_ it was N95013:38
Cokebut I cant find those13:38
djszapiwell, of course...that was a developer program thingie.13:38
araujoI got some similar errors yesterday with some applications upgrade, I just kept trying13:38
Cokearaujo: did it work eventually?13:39
Cokewell ive tried a lot now13:39
Cokeit's just not working.13:40
djszapihard to play the magician roles without logs, too :)13:40
Cokeunfortunately, I can't sell it because anybody fit to use the N9 rather wants the iphone13:40
pawkyalterego: you might be right there, this is my third N9, and on this one it doesn't work. on one of the earlier ones it did...13:40
Cokedjszapi: does this phone even have logs? I thought it was all about having Skype, Twitter and Facebook as part of the core packaging.13:40
djszapiCoke: no, you are out of the luck without developer mode since you do not have syslog, nor accessibility to that even if it was.13:41
djszapiand you cannot use jtag either13:41
djszapiCoke: which country are you in ?13:42
Cokeim calling the store that sold it to me13:42
Coketo see if I can return it for moneys back. I'm not sure what sort ofwarranty nokia has13:43
djszapiCoke have you actually tried in different points, and not like a bunch attack in half an hour ?13:43
Cokedjszapi: I've tried at least five different occations13:43
djszapiduring a day ?13:43
Cokealso, I dont want a phone that gives me that error _ever_13:43
djszapior in few weeks ?13:43
Cokedjszapi: at least one day apart13:44
Cokeit doesnt matter.13:44
djszapiyou have 2 weeks (about) after the buying to return it if you do not like it.13:44
CokeI dont want a phone that requires me to "wait a few hours, go in a circle, smoke some weed and try again later"13:44
djszapiwhy not test these things after the buying ?13:44
Cokedjszapi: it's been more than two weeks. it's been sitting in it's box13:44
Cokedjszapi: I did test.13:44
djszapiyou could not press the developer mode thingie in two weeks ? :)13:45
djszapior did it work back then ?13:45
CokeI only tried 3-4 times13:45
Cokenever worked13:45
Cokeimmediately when I realized that things like Twitter is a core package I thought to myself "this is a shitty OS compared to maemo 5"13:46
Cokein order to at least remove the icons I needed developer mode13:46
Cokethat has never worked.13:46
djszapihave you tried with different internet connections ?13:46
Cokeand thusly, I have continued to use the N900 in favour of the N9, only occationally trying to get the developer mode working13:46
Cokedjszapi: two different.13:47
Cokebut it doesnt matter, if it doesnt work with ALL wifi I dont want it. the htc, the iphone and the n900 all work fine over any wifi, why should I settle for less than that?13:47
djszapiwifi and 3g ?13:47
pawkyCoke: It sounds like you might need to reflash your unit. Your problem happened on my first N9 as well.13:47
Cokei did not try with 3G13:47
Cokepawky: if at all possible I'll try to return it.13:48
djszapiI do not seriously understand how you was not able to try it out in two weeks.13:48
djszapiwere not*13:48
Cokedjszapi: I did try it out A LOT13:48
pawkyCoke: But when listening to your arguments regarding what you think about the OS, I will highly recommend you to return your phone to the dealer.13:48
Cokeat least 3 times13:48
djszapiwhy did you not return it if you do not wanna such a phone which does this ?13:48
Cokedjszapi: aren't you reading? in two weeks I've tried to enable developer mode on at least 3 different occations13:48
Cokedjszapi: I thought it might be a temporary problem13:49
pawkyCoke: Have you during these two weeks tried to reflash your phone?13:49
Cokepawky: nope.13:49
araujoCoke, how about updating any other packages?13:49
araujodoes it work?13:49
CokeI did update today13:49
Cokethe update worked fine13:49
djszapipawky is the master of random serious issues ;)13:50
CokeI think the update made the phone alittle bit slower, that's all.13:50
pawkydjszapi: oh, you flattering you... ;-)13:50
pawkyCoke:Then how about trying to reflash it?13:50
Cokecan I do it here and now quickly?13:50
pawkyCoke: then again, when i encountered your problem, the phone actually had a hardware failure... in the end I got a new one...13:51
Cokepawky: might be the same problem here13:51
pawkyCoke: There are people here who can confirm if it is... but I let them reveal themselves should they want to help you...13:52
Cokeit's not my money, it's my employer's so I don't really care if this phone sits in its box and eventually is thrown in the garbage, but if at all possible I'd like to salvage it13:52
pawkyCoke: Well, If you phone would work, I am pretty sure you would have a great user experience..13:52
Cokepawky: I doubt it. anything that has twitter as a core package is not for me.13:53
Cokeanything that doesnt come with a terminal by default also is not.13:53
pawkyCoke:Try to get someone to confirm you do not have an early phone with hardwara failure..13:53
artemmaInstalled skype to N950 PR1.2 using instructions at Just a couple of console lines. Worked fine except for account fetching crashing on wrong password :)13:53
Cokethe seller is on lunch13:53
pawkyCoke: Well.. they have to sell the phone, hence they have to put lamer stuff in as well.. like facebook, twitter etc..13:53
Cokepawky: could still be optional13:54
pawkyCoke: The core functionality of the phone is very cool though.. and in open mode you might even smile..13:54
Cokepawky: I use linux EVERYWHERE, I don't have twitter or facebook apps part of the core on any of the dists I use.13:54
alteregopawky: then by that reasoning no phone is for you ...13:54
pawkyCoke: welcome to the club... if you do, you cannot be without an N9...13:54
alteregoI meant Coke ...13:54
pawkyHave to go to a meeting..13:55
Cokepawky: my N900 still works even though it is slowly dying on me13:55
Cokealterego: yeah, the N900 works for me.13:55
Cokealterego: but you are right, I think the N9 was the last "smart" phone I buy13:55
alteregoI doubt that very much13:55
Cokealterego: unless Intel finally release their project tot he public13:56
Cokealso, since webos is apache license these days it might be a replacement, so I guess there's still hope.13:58
Cokebut overall, my old ericson with Symbian has about 10 times the battery life and none of the headaches of the smartphones.13:58
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vladestany1 aware of SIm card rejected issue in PR1.2 on n950?14:06
Cokevladest: I wonder how you got hold of a N95014:07
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vladestCoke received from nokia for sure14:08
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thpZogG_lap1op: pong14:40
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vladestany1 succeed installing gdb on n950 with pr1.2?14:52
mecevladest, did apt-get install gdb14:55
mecevladest, no issues.14:55
vladestmece: ok, thanks14:57
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mecevladest, didn't actually try it, but it installed fine :)15:00
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vladestok, gdb installing...sim card issue left15:12
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trxwhen i use : aegis-exec -a "GRP::video" -a "GRP::pulse-access" gst-launch-0.10 -v subdevsrc camera-device=secondary capture-mode=video ! dsph264enc ! rtph264pay ! udpsink host= port=543415:27
trxi can stream from n950 to pc15:27
trx(view using vlc player)15:27
trxbut it only works for secondary(front camera)15:28
trxwhen i try the primary i get an error15:28
trx"dsp node create failed" and "internal data flow error"15:29
trxany suggestions why?15:29
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CorsacI'm not sure if it's the wireless connection which is flacky or the power management which sucks, but sip over wifi is painful15:41
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M4rtinKCorsac: I've seen someone mentioning SIP@Wifi being improved quite a lot in PR 1.215:42
M4rtinKin the TMO PR 1.2 thread15:42
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vladestit seems there is no deb command in pr1.215:47
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CorsacM4rtinK: ok15:49
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Khertanwhat ????? no deb command ?15:52
Khertandpkg-deb is here15:53
Khertanvladest, ?15:53
Khertanapt tools too15:54
vladestKhertan: I want to add an repo15:55
vladestafaik its deb command used for this15:56
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ZogG_lap1opsup sup guys16:06
ZogG_lap1ophow can i use flackable area and gridview at the same page?16:07
Corsacvladest: no16:09
ArkanoiD_ah. finally pictures in the twitter feed. too small to see anything, though16:11
radiofreetrx: have you tried with camera-device=016:13
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* ArkanoiD_ got strange impression that rotation to portrait became *worse* in 1.216:25
ArkanoiD_to landscape, even16:25
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kirmaI have the impression that swipe-to-close started to accept swipes which were not coherent with the display orientation if the phone was somewhere between landscape and portrait orientation16:28
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Corsaccan someone with pr1.2beta and SIP can look if call log correctly registers entries?16:34
Corsac(when I try to call a contact through SIP, it registers the sip:foo@foo number but not the contact16:34
Corsacif it's already fixed, no need to make a dupe bug16:34
mecehey where is the wallpaper picture stored on the phone?16:34
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Corsachmhm, and is it somehow possible to delete completed tasks after a while?17:02
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damaltorhi everybody17:20
damaltorif my n9 is in a malf state, but there is no /var/malf , what reason might that be?17:21
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jonniusually in that case some system critical binary or file has been edited.17:47
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rantomHow does one get access to the photos/pictures that have been sent via Bluetooth?18:09
rantomI've been unable to access those without using e.g. a filemanager18:09
damaltorrantom: should be in gallery app18:11
rantomI'll test with the new beta, if I recall right it doesn't work properly in the PR1.1 stable18:16
rantomOne file I had to rename to get it to show up in Gallery18:16
damaltorif they are hidden files, and start with a dot, they wont show up. but thats unlikely for nornmal image files18:17
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urosCan i ask some question here?18:19
damaltortry :D#18:20
rantomdamaltor: Yeah. I re-tested with N9 to N950 and vice versa, no problems, showed up properly in Gallery. Don't know why though some files just won't show up. I'll try to reproduce it later again18:21
urosi am trying to write simple linear image gallery18:21
urosqml based18:21
urosand i need to have pinch2zoom option and double-tap to scale to width/height18:22
rantomSimply put: some files go with Bluetooth to the correct place and show up in Gallery, some are located in different place and won't show up in Gallery, until fixed (e.g. renamed or possibly moved to the correct position)18:22
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damaltorrantom: sounds funny. i had the same problem with music files. i think if a file is moved on the device, eg by mounting in usb and putting a file into a subdirectory (i put all preinstalled music into a folder named "demo"), opon next gallery database update the phone knows that they are still there, but cant find them because they are not in the right folder18:23
damaltorcould it be that the files were on your phone earlier, and are now in some other place?18:23
urosdamaltor, should i continue, or wait for you guys to finish discussion?18:24
rantomdamaltor: Nope. But I noticed that two files, which one I've received with Bluetooth and one from MMS, are oddly enough in Pictures, not in DCIM, where they should be18:25
rantomSo something is going wrong, no idea what18:25
damaltoruros: just continue. try to put your whole question in one line, so people can read it completely. if somebody knows how to help you, he will tell you18:25
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rantomBoth of those pictures though have been from non-Nokia devices18:25
djszapijonni ping18:25
rantommaybe that'd explain it :D18:25
urosok, you are right, thanks18:26
damaltorhey djszapi, maybe you could help me too. i just MALFed my phone, but dont know why. there is no /var/malf18:26
djszapidamaltor: no time available, I am sorry for thqat.18:26
damaltorrantom: lol. that might be :P try to open and re-save them on your pc18:27
damaltordjszapi: ok, thanks though18:27
rantomdamaltor: Yeah. I'll try to reproduce it once I have an Android or iPhone near me again since those caused those situations18:28
urosSo, the problem is: I use horizontal listview as simple gallery implementation.Every element of that listview is flickable item with image in it, so i can be able to zoom it. Inside flickable item, i have pincharea needed for zoom, and mousearea needed for doubletap. The problem is after pinch is finished, next touch to the screen reset fickable offset to 0, so the zoomed image flicks to the topleft corner of flickable area.18:29
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urosif i remove mouseare everything works fine, but then i dont have double tap option which is needed for this project18:29
urosNative gallery app can do all of this without any problem. That's way i am eager to see how can i acomplish this.18:31
urosAny thoughts?18:32
djszapidamaltor: I will be at FOSDEM, and I can help with such things, if you happen to be there...Until that quite busy with the preparation.18:32
damaltordjszapi: yeah, any help appreciated. but as i need the phone "now", i guess i will have to raflash18:34
jreznikwho else will be at fosdem from this channel?18:34
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damaltordjszapi: can you answer a short question? if aegis notices a file in refhashlist has a wrong checksum, will there always be a /var/malf?18:41
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djszapidamaltor: the malf screen is not done by aegis18:43
djszapiaegis just returns if it is not okay, and up to the system-software guys what they do with the result.18:43
damaltordjszapi: oh, ok.18:43
damaltorhaving a malf without knowing why sucks18:43
djszapiup to the system-software guys.18:44
djszapiwe return to them what is not okay.18:44
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djszapibut afaik they put it into malf, even though it is dismissable in certain cases.18:44
faenilUni exams finisheeeeeeeeeeeed18:44
faenilfuck yeaaaah18:44
faenilsorry :D18:44
djszapifaenil: then go and clean your room :D18:45
faenilahahah, correct :D18:45
damaltordjszapi: ok then... i guess ill have to reflash, i cant find whats wrong18:45
damaltorquestion to all: what data will i loose on reflashing?18:46
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djszapidamaltor: isn't it a dismissable malf screen ?18:46
djszapican you please take a picture or write the complain ?18:46
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djszapi(also: what have you done precedingly?)18:47
damaltordjszapi: it just tells me that the device is malfunctioning. no text stating the error18:47
damaltordjszapi: i rebooted due to compass not working. i rebooted earlier w/o problems.18:47
djszapiyou sure, not even at the bottom ?18:47
damaltorjust the triangle, and the please-take-me-to-service text18:48
damaltorthats it18:48
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damaltori _guess_ that is why i cannot find any wroong checksums.. been looking throufg stuff i installed lately18:49
djszapidamaltor: that explanation sounds weird.18:50
damaltorif the device would show me whats wrong, i would have a starting point to search. but there is nothing, nothing at all18:50
djszapitake me a picture pls.18:51
djszapi(is it N9 or developer device?)18:51
damaltordjszapi: it is a n918:52
damaltor this is what i see18:52
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djszapiI would say go for re-flash then.18:53
damaltorsorry, i use up your time.  i guess i will reflash now18:53
damaltorshould i flash the emmc too?18:53
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djszapiif you flash the same firmware version, probably not needed.18:53
damaltori guess i will just do, as there is no way to make it worse18:53
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damaltorbut i would like to know what data will be gone... and i guess "everything" is the correct answer18:54
djszapitry without emmc first.18:54
damaltorok.. will that save any data? :D18:55
damaltoror is there a way to backup most of it?18:55
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djszapiemmc is /home/user/MyDocs/18:56
djszapiso if you do not flash that, you can preserve that, if you can succeed with not flashing that,.18:56
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ZogG_lap1opi hate anchors and all height and width setting19:00
damaltordjszapi: looks like my computer is going into a malf state now, too. last question: contacts/settings/..., are they saved in MyDocs, too?19:00
ZogG_lap1opanyone here can help me figure out19:01
djszapidamaltor: prolly.19:01
ZogG_lap1opi have listview in flickable area19:01
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damaltordjszapi: ok then, ill reflash now. thanks for your help and sorry for your time19:01
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ZogG_lap1opthe problem is how the height of listview as childrenRect.height is not helping19:01
djszapidamaltor: I wish the best.19:01
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ninnnuIs there a chance I brick my phone if I blacklist ipv6 in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf?19:05
djszapithere is always a chance.19:06
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ninnnuBecause I've heard stories that someone's phone doesn't boot after modifying /etc/19:07
djszapininnnu: your best bet is the refhashlist file19:07
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faeniln950 charging...19:10
faenilabout to flash :)19:10
faenilany reason no to?19:10
faenilnot to?19:10
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djszapifaenil: because it will explode.19:10
faenilxD? XD19:10
faenilany new bug or things like that?19:11
ninnnu(The problem I'm trying to fix is "wlan0: deauthenticating from AP:MA:CA:DD:RE:SS by local choice (reason=3)", Google suggests that removing ipv6 would help)19:11
djszapininnnu: more verbosely then: grep for the file you wanna modify in the refhashlist.19:12
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ninnnu/etc/refhashlist only contains "Aegis3.0"?19:13
mgedmin802.11 reason code 3 is "station has left the basic service area or extended service area and is deauthenticated"19:13
djszapininnnu: no, /var/lib/aegis/refhashlist19:14
ninnnuNope, blacklist isn't there19:15
ninnnuSo I guess it'd be safe19:15
djszapiI would look for the container directory as well19:15
phakoipv6 shouldn't be there as well. It's optional to install in developer mode19:15
djszapiphako: you do not really wanna guess things :)19:16
djszapiwhen you modify anything in etc, it is best to double check.19:16
ninnnuphako: I haven't installed that. But ipv6 module is loaded anyway19:16
ninnnuBut the funny thing is that the WLAN I'm trying to connect to doesn't give IPv6...19:17
djszapininnnu: go for the modification.19:18
ninnnuOr maybe I go for risk-free "meh, I don't university WLAN"..19:19
ninnnuAnyway, good to know about the refhashlist19:20
djszapithere is no risk, if it is not checked against any hash.19:20
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ZogG_lap1opdjszapi: have a min?19:50
damaltordjszapi: i rflashed now. most data is kept, i just have to reinstall my apps19:50
djszapidamaltor: nifty =)19:50
djszapiZogG_lap1op: nop, sorry.19:51
damaltordjszapi: much thanks to you19:55
grifaenil: Damn you, I had my first test today and still 4 to go :(20:03
faenilonly 4? aren't you at the first year?20:03
griI am but we have five tests in the first semester (half a year)20:03
faeniloh ok you're talking about first year :)20:05
faenilyeah I know what you mean :)20:06
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ZogG_lap1opabout 4 hours i can't make that damn flicable area page right20:15
griZogG_lap1op: What's wrong with it? :)20:16
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griZogG_lap1op: Found your description above but don't understand your problem - do you have an example code?20:17
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jonnidjszapi: pong20:44
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kimjumeh. reimplementing dpkg-divert as a shell script is not exactly fun.20:45
jonniwhy are you doing that?20:46
kimjupr12 disallowed using dpkg-divert itself.20:47
jonnithere is a way, but maybe I shouldnt tell how ;-)20:49
jonnias there is a reason why it was disallowed20:50
ieatlintseems like there's a lot of "but i shouldn't say how" today20:51
kimjuit could probably be used to fool aegis in some way..20:51
kimjuthe file I'm diverting is not protected, afaik. it's easy to just mv it away, but to support upgrades etc. cleanly needs little more than that.20:53
Rantwolfone question, is there any option to disable the skype contacts in the addressbook?20:54
npmit appears there are some featured-app casualties of the pr1.2 font change (mine's just minor)20:55
npmplus i've closed a few too many apps in landscape mode swiping down20:56
npmplus sometimes apps are stuck in portraint while you hold in landscape and if you swipe down (thinking "left") the app closes20:56
npmbut i'll get used to it... otherwise PR1.2 is like stepping into danish designer furniture after living in an overstuffed naughahyde living room for too long (wp7)20:59
npmwell finnish, except the finns aren't known for their furniture just their phones and loudspeakers :-)21:00
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grimy n9 always rotates to landscape when I try to read the news on the bus (which I do in portrait)21:09
gridamn thing :P21:09
jonniorientatiolock helps :)21:10
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RST38hgri: you do the bus in portrait?21:15
mgedminjonni, what orientation lock?21:16
jonnimgedmin: there is orientationlock app in, and there is also orientationlock in my ovi store BabyLock application21:20
mgedminoh, cool! (probably)21:20
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* SpeedEvil imagines a bluetooth activated set of magnetic manacles.21:26
SpeedEvil(available in both tasteful blue and pink)21:26
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mgedmina use case for NFC?21:28
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Sazpaimonpr1.2 users21:29
Sazpaimondoes drive have an "avoid toll roads" option21:29
ieatlintnothing sceams intimacy like "hold on, i need to find my phone to unlock these21:29
Sazpaimonyou know, like the feature symbian maps had FOR EVER21:30
ieatlintSazpaimon: yes21:30
ieatlintand avoid bridges/ferries/etc options, like symbian21:30
Sazpaimonieatlint, so would you say it's reached parity with symbian with pr1.2?21:30
ieatlintfor drive, yeah21:30
ieatlintparity was correct21:30
Sazpaimonyeah it was21:30
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ieatlintalso, street names in the voice nav21:31
SazpaimonI heard, good stuff21:31
ieatlintso yeah, parity :P21:31
Sazpaimonis it better than symbian's or about the same21:31
ieatlinti'd say the same vs the symbian belle phones21:31
Sazpaimoni wouldnt mind no street names if they brought back surfer dude21:31
Sazpaimonbefore the big maps update a few years back I had that as my maps voice21:32
Sazpaimonit was awesome21:32
itsnotabigtrucki'm pretty sure you can still download surfer dude using nokia suite21:32
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itsnotabigtruckit might be possible to transfer the surfer dude files to an n921:32
Sazpaimonif the format is the same, probably21:32
Sazpaimoni wanna know who's idea was that21:32
Sazpaimonbecause i wanted to thank them for annoying the hell out of my passengers for the longest time21:33
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itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon: if you've got a symbian phone around try checking in nokia suite21:34
Sazpaimonmy E71 is in pieces21:34
Sazpaimonoh well :(21:34
Sazpaimonalso, i had a bit of a rage moment earlier this week when maps sent me to a toll road21:34
SazpaimonI had no cash on me21:34
Sazpaimonso I had to pull off to the side, load up gapp and try to get non-toll directions21:34
Sazpaimonlater I find out that the car I was driving (it wasn't mine) had an ezpass for the toll road21:35
* Sazpaimon mad21:35
Sazpaimonspeaking of google maps21:35
Sazpaimondoes the PR1.2 web browser actually load google maps now?21:36
Sazpaimonthats been broken for as long as I can remember21:36
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ieatlinthaven't checked21:37
ieatlinti remember it used to work, and then google disabled it21:37
ieatlintbut there is a mobile version of the google maps site, just oddly difficult to find21:37
Sazpaimonits not just that, its the entire maps site doesnt work21:39
Sazpaimoneven the desktop version21:39
Sazpaimonit will show the map, but then be stuck on some loading screen21:40
SazpaimonI heard the same happens when you change your useragent to android/iphone21:40
ieatlinthere if i try to load, it redirects me to a shitty "" that doesn't actually provide maps exactly21:41
Sazpaimonyou can select the desktop version at the bottom21:41
RST38hIs there still a URL for decent mobile gmaps?21:41
ieatlintah, i see, tring21:41
ieatlintok, loaded destkop version fine21:41
SazpaimonRST38h, nope, google limits it based on useraent21:41
ieatlintbut without a mouse, probably difficult to use21:41
Sazpaimonyeah on my PR1.1 N9, it shows a loading graphic behind the map21:42
Sazpaimonand it doesnt go away, and I cant do anything21:42
RST38hSometimes, there are special URLs21:42
RST38hwhich Google does not advertise21:42
Sazpaimon used tow rok21:42
Sazpaimon*to work21:42
Sazpaimonbut google caught on and disabled it. You have to change your useragent for it to work21:43
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ieatlintah, i see, yeah, i can't search for anything or similar21:43
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ieatlintyeah, that pissed me off ... why do they care21:43
Sazpaimonhonestly I only ever use google maps for transit directions, because nokia maps doesnt have my transit agency21:43
ieatlintit still gave me adverts21:43
Sazpaimonor probably any transit agency in the US21:43
ieatlintthey have at least one where i live21:44
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Sazpaimonwell i figure if they dont have SEPTA, they wont have a lot21:44
Sazpaimonsepta is one of the larger transit agencies in the country21:44
ieatlinthadn't heard of it... somehow septic came to mind with the name :P21:45
Sazpaimonmaybe not as big as MTA21:45
Sazpaimonsepta handles all the transportation in southeast pennsylvania21:45
Sazpaimon"SEPTA has the 6th-largest U.S. rapid transit system by ridership, and the 5th largest overall transit system, with about 306.9 million annual unlinked trips"21:46
Sazpaimonyeah is one of the biggest, like i thought21:46
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Sazpaimonanyway sucks to hear its still broken21:47
Sazpaimonno use changing the useragent then21:47
Sazpaimonguess Im stuck with gapp21:47
ieatlintwell the mobile version of the maps site used to work well i remember21:48
Sazpaimon"used to"21:48
ieatlintyeah, but if the user agent is all that stops it...21:48
Sazpaimoni hear even if you change the useragent it shows the correct mobile site but maps still doesnt work21:49
Sazpaimon"Google Maps loads the fully featured Android mobile version, but doesn't really work. It just says "loading" after asking to allow geolocation."21:49
Sazpaimonsame as the desktop version21:50
Sazpaimoni wonder what Gapp does differently21:50
ieatlintgapp uses the api to access the map tiles21:51
Sazpaimonit looks like the standard web interface to me21:51
Sazpaimonand google doesnt have an API for public transit21:52
* ieatlint shrugs21:53
ieatlinti think i met the guy who wrote it last weekend at a conference21:53
Sazpaimonit looks like avery simple qt web interface that simulates an android or iphone browser21:54
ieatlintyeah, just confirmed... he had a desktop app on his laptop he was showing too21:55
damaltoryou both could use 2cloudgps" for google maps. not right what you wantet i guess, but it is a way to have google maps on your mobile21:55
damaltori mean cloudgps, no 2 in there21:56
Sazpaimonthats just maps21:56
Sazpaimoni only ever use google maps for public transit21:56
Sazpaimonwhich google keeps closed21:57
damaltoroh ok21:57
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ieatlinthrm, suddenly twitter on my n9/pr1.1 stopped working, deleted and tried to re-add, and now it just says "can't connect to twitter" when i try to add it23:22
ieatlintanyone seen an issue like this?23:22
ieatlintit's harder to pretend i'm working when i have to use my desktop to look at twitter23:23
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ieatlintalso, another issue with the lumia... the microusb flap doesn't have that satisfing click when you open it23:42
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damaltorieatlint: according to the dervice book of the n9, the flap can simply be pulled out (and pushed in). maybe you want to pull it out and reinstall it to make sure it sits firm?23:46
damaltor*service book23:47
ieatlintyou misunderstand, i'm not having any issues with it23:47
ieatlintmy note was that the flap on the n9 has a click noise when you open it23:47
ieatlinton the lumia, it does not23:47
damaltoroh i thought it _had_ that click when it was new, but now the click is gone23:48
damaltorso it is not satisfying be design.... interesting.23:48
ieatlintwell, it's definitely on all the n9s i've used, and i got used to it23:49
ieatlintso now the lumia's feels just odd when it doesn't click23:49
* ieatlint shrugs23:49
damaltorwhy did you buy a lumia anyway?23:49
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ieatlintbecause it's an awesome platform, very pretty and ahead of its time23:49
artemmaSomebody posted here a link to a web page with all the default harmattan theme icon names. Anybody has such a link at hand?23:50
artemmathat's much easier to examine than filesystem23:50
* artemma is looking for appropriate icons for InfoBanner You know, for warnings, info, etc23:50
ieatlinti know which site you mean... have it bookmarked on another computer23:50
ieatlintwas a nokia site if i recall even, a wiki one23:51
artemmawiki? I thought it was somewhere on gitorious..23:51
artemmahmm, maybe if I search the browser history..23:51
ieatlintthat might not be a complete list23:51
artemmaieatlint: that's a good link, but I remember there was way-way longer list of all the icons. Must be from some sources23:52
ieatlintwell, that link doesn't show the inverted icons23:52
artemmagot it23:53
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ieatlintoh, you meant just the names...23:53
ieatlintyou can find that in the qtsdk too, they just sit in a folder23:53
artemmahmm, though there's no icon that says "banner"23:53
artemmaor should I ask another question?23:54
artemmaWhich icons do you use for warnings in the InfoBanner?23:54
artemmaif any23:54
ieatlintah, you want like an exclamation point in a triangle style?23:54
artemmaI want to show this sort of warning when user tries saving unsavable stuff23:56
artemmanot a critical error at all, just a warning23:56
ieatlintmight be something in that folder... don't have it on my work computer right now23:56
ieatlintmight need to just scan through the icons present and see if any would work23:57
artemmaIn some random qt sources online I see assets/system_banner_thumbnail.png at info banner23:57
artemmabut have no idea of what it is23:57
artemmathat's not present in SDK23:57
ieatlinti see, for instance, icon-m-common-error... wonder if that could be good23:57
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artemmaHmm, busy precence may work :)23:58
artemmai can't see common error in sdk23:59
artemmathough I see it on that web page23:59
artemmawill try23:59
ieatlintyeah, i just looked at the webpage... that's unhelpful if they don't match23:59

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