| itsnotabigtruck | mgedmin: perhaps i'm wrong, i don't have it installed right now | 00:00 |
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| mgedmin | rd is research and development? and source is package repository? | 00:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it looks like the helvetica lookalike is called 'SwissA' | 00:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | helvetica = switzerland | 00:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | heh | 00:01 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | rm, what's RM-581 | 00:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yet another model number | 00:05 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | i like how shazam was showen on n900 and never released, same story with shazam icon harmattan webpage for developer and no release | 00:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i guess 581's just yet another prototype device | 00:11 |
| ZogG_lap1op | hate them | 00:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_lap1op: meh, shazam's nothing great anyway, but yeah | 00:11 |
| ZogG_lap1op | i would prefer soundhound anyway but they released win app allready | 00:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that sort of thing is awfully common | 00:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | cool stuff put together for a tech demo, then they lock it away never to be seen again | 00:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | :( | 00:12 |
| ZogG_lap1op | but it's already out for n8 and other - whta's the bg deal? | 00:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | is there such a thing as an aegis-aware dpkg-repack? | 00:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the name 'dpkg-repack' seems awfully familiar, as if i've seen it talked about here before | 00:13 |
| ZogG_lap1op | what is dpkg-repack and what do you mean? | 00:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it uses the dpkg metadata to reassemble an installed package into a deb | 00:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the idea is to repack items of interest from the pr1.2 rootfs to put them on the n9 early :p | 00:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | unless there's an easier way...e.g. if the N950 PR1.2 rootfs is N9-compatible | 00:16 |
| ZogG_lap1op | dont do it | 00:18 |
| ZogG_lap1op | first of all think of aegis itself it differ | 00:19 |
| ZogG_lap1op | second of all - think of it being possible would be ididotci to have aegias at all | 00:19 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | as you would be able to inject something else in code | 00:20 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | simple like that | 00:20 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | erm, i think there's less difference than you think | 00:21 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | and aegis ought not to be a problem if the root keys are the same | 00:21 |
| ZogG_lap1op | so i can replace something file with samesize and name and use it | 00:21 |
| alterego | Talk to MohammadAG | 00:22 |
| ZogG_lap1op | he doesn't want to talk to me anymore | 00:22 |
| alterego | itsnotabigtruck: RE dpkg-repack | 00:22 |
| ZogG_lap1op | MohammadAG: y u not | 00:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | alterego: alright, cool | 00:23 |
| ZogG_lap1op | i know one guy who make packages from installed payed apps from ovi and pirate them but i think you need dev mod to install them | 00:23 |
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| alterego | Well, you would. | 00:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for what it's worth, /var/lib/aegis/domains is the same between n9 pr1.1 and n950 pr1.2, except for the addition of <key>PGP::1F1204F37047CFACCC1E2EF0F26394D67FF273D2</key> (which is the r&d key) | 00:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | alterego: well, that's why i mentioned "aegis-aware"...this can only work if everything, including the signatures, is put into the package | 00:25 |
| ZogG_lap1op | alterego: i would what? | 00:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | since lots of built-in packages are in the com.nokia.maemo domain and get extra privilege | 00:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_lap1op: need dev mode on | 00:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if dev mode has to be on, that means it's relying on the developer-unknown policy, which means that it isn't repacking aegis data probably | 00:26 |
| ZogG_lap1op | what is com stands for communcation? | 00:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_lap1op: no, it's a domain name backwards | 00:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so it stands for .com, as in maemo.nokia.com | 00:26 |
| ZogG_lap1op | but WHY??? | 00:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | beats me...java has a similar arrangement | 00:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | maybe they got the idea from there | 00:28 |
| ZogG_lap1op | but there is no java on harmattan | 00:28 |
| ZogG_lap1op | whyyyyy? | 00:28 |
| mgedmin | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950/firmware/ forgets to mention that the Harmattan 1.2 firmware is BETA | 00:29 |
| ZogG_lap1op | it's always beta | 00:29 |
| mgedmin | "Note: You cannot return from a Chinese variant to the corresponding Global variant! So unless you are developing for the applications for the Chinese markets, do not install the Chinese variant on your device." | 00:29 |
| ZogG_lap1op | they ashame to call it not beta | 00:29 |
| mgedmin | bwahahahahahahahahahahaha! | 00:29 |
| mgedmin | seriously, what's this newfound fascination with the one-way upgrades??? | 00:29 |
| ZogG_lap1op | poitics | 00:29 |
| ZogG_lap1op | dropbox policy =) | 00:30 |
| ZogG_lap1op | no dropbox and what else on china variant | 00:30 |
| mgedmin | oooh! "Mail thread support in the Email client" | 00:30 |
| mgedmin | maybe the mail app will be not-useless for the first time EVER? | 00:30 |
| rzr | do you know a way to store contacts on imap ? | 00:30 |
| mgedmin | "Compass support in Maps", at last! | 00:31 |
| ZogG_lap1op | i use mail app | 00:31 |
| ZogG_lap1op | i thik gmail made you spoiled | 00:31 |
| ZogG_lap1op | there people still using ie bing and hotmail/yahoo mail | 00:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mgedmin: with nokia it's oldfound, they've been blocking downgrades for a long time | 00:32 |
| mgedmin | not on maemo... | 00:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's probably possible to downgrade using phoenix, it's possible to do that with symbian phones | 00:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | any idea what \var\lib\aegis\certs\user\omb-user\d0ade470efcbb90c1fcba24adeb74cad6b78fe8c.pem is? | 00:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (pretend those are forward slashes) | 00:33 |
| ZogG_lap1op | if they not write it in bootloader or something | 00:33 |
| rzr | are you using a caldav server ? | 00:33 |
| ZogG_lap1op | when yo ucan't | 00:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's a password protected key for that certificate in the rootfs | 00:33 |
| mgedmin | gmail, shmail, I use mutt | 00:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | masochist | 00:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | :p | 00:34 |
| ZogG_lap1op | mgedmin: i use sendmail on localhost =) | 00:34 |
| ZogG_lap1op | i use wall on local machine (foreveralone) | 00:34 |
| mgedmin | mailing lists were invented so that you can pretend to have friends (or enemies) | 00:35 |
| ZogG_lap1op | wall is better | 00:35 |
| ajalkane | So... seems like PR 1.2 is the best thing ever? | 00:36 |
| ZogG_lap1op | no pr1.3 is better | 00:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ajalkane: except for the compatibility problems, seems so | 00:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's why i'm looking for a way to shoehorn it on my n9 :p | 00:36 |
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| ajalkane | itsnotabigtruck: compatibility problems due to the font size change? | 00:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ajalkane: nah, there were some aegis violations on existing apps | 00:37 |
| ZogG_lap1op | aegis rapes i would say | 00:37 |
| kimju | hmm, I wonder.. does the pr1.2 have a new url/credentials in apt sources? if you just copy that to a pr1.1 device, would it then do the upgrade in place, without flashing.. | 00:37 |
| ajalkane | itsnotabigtruck: for fucks sake. They've screwed it tighter? Any idea what credentials/capabilities are now forbidden? | 00:38 |
| rzr | kimju: hey | 00:38 |
| rzr | kimju: https://gitorious.org/harmattan/xkeyboard-config-addons-rm680/ is screwed | 00:38 |
| kimju | hmm? | 00:39 |
| ZogG_lap1op | what is the addons? | 00:39 |
| ZogG_lap1op | custom smileys? | 00:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ajalkane: possibly...i didn't see anything that was on the allowed list before that isn't still there | 00:39 |
| ZogG_lap1op | keyboard layouts? | 00:39 |
| kimju | ZogG_lap1op, mostly usable finnish layout, but I've made some changes to the english keymap too | 00:40 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | kimju: it doesn't look like the new stuff is in the repos | 00:40 |
| kimju | rzr, how screwed? | 00:40 |
| ZogG_lap1op | itsnotabigtruck: what stuff? | 00:41 |
| rzr | kimju: pasted at http://www.who.is.free.fr/wiki/doku.php?id=xkb&#harmattan_rm-680_n950 | 00:41 |
| rzr | "dpkg-divert: Installation error, diversions are not allowed." | 00:42 |
| kimju | FFS. | 00:42 |
| rzr | what apps are you installing ? | 00:42 |
| npm | after trying out PR1.2, where can i trade in my Lumia for an N9 :-) | 00:43 |
| kimju | I'm using dpkg-divert to move the original /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rm-680 aside and replace it with the new version | 00:43 |
| rzr | yes i know | 00:43 |
| ajalkane | npm: let me know if you find out. My Lumia is resting it's coffin since new year | 00:43 |
| rzr | but try to install on latest fw | 00:43 |
| kimju | meh. that was the cleanest solution I come up with previously. need to think something new if that is now disallowd. | 00:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_lap1op: any of the stuff that's new in the new image | 00:44 |
| rzr | well we can gain root and do the job | 00:44 |
| rzr | but this is not the dpkg way | 00:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what's policy-settings-override-001 | 00:44 |
| kimju | I guess that replacing the dpkg-divert with mv is going to work fine. but it's just wrong. | 00:45 |
| npm | my lumia is my phone ; my n950 is my computer | 00:45 |
| npm | my n900 is my radio | 00:45 |
| rzr | and your wife | 00:46 |
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| ajalkane | My lumia is my undead corpse, summoned when I want to be a fruit Ninja. My N950 is my beloved, caressed and slept with. | 00:46 |
| kimju | I just re-acquired a 770. so now I have 770, n800, n810, n900 and n950. n810 and n950 are in daily use. | 00:47 |
| rzr | no n9 ? | 00:47 |
| nwoki | hi guys, qtsdk fails to upload packages to my n9 all of a sudden. Anyone know what could cause this? | 00:47 |
| kimju | no, will probably get one used for the collection when they are starting to get obsolete :) | 00:48 |
| nwoki | tried a test app (qtsdk default) but neither can that be installed to device | 00:48 |
| kimju | rzr, anyway, I'll flash the n950 tomorrow and fix the kbd-package in some way or an another. | 00:49 |
| rzr | take your time | 00:50 |
| rzr | i just wanted to report the issue | 00:50 |
| nwoki | i get the "FILE NOT FOUND" error but the exe is there | 00:50 |
| rzr | i can rebuild it if you want | 00:50 |
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| djszapi | Hi! Do you know how to get the package not stripped after the ceremony ? override_dh_nostrip: did not help. Manual build remains unstripped, thus something is wrong about the packaging. | 00:56 |
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| ajalkane | lol, ceremony? | 00:58 |
| djszapi | packaging | 00:58 |
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| ajalkane | I'd like to one-up that and call it sermon | 01:06 |
| ZogG_lap1op | what is sermon? | 01:07 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | meh, ceremony is much better | 01:07 |
| ZogG_lap1op | control rules are more like sermon | 01:08 |
| djszapi | http://paste.kde.org/192866/ -> this is my rules file, so the debug option passed and the strip stage is also overriden properly. | 01:08 |
| ajalkane | ZogG_lap1op: On further thinking I think you're right | 01:08 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-vBbqamNBU&feature=youtu.be - cool stuff | 01:09 |
| ajalkane | That Raspberry PI stuff gets me all jiggly wanting to get one. It'd make a fine small personal server. | 01:11 |
| ajalkane | And finally a server that my wife could not object to based on "that hideous thing makes awful noise" | 01:11 |
| djszapi | which world do you live in ? | 01:13 |
| djszapi | have had a server for many years without making noises. | 01:13 |
| rzr | ajalkane: running SSD ? | 01:14 |
| ajalkane | I live in a far away world, that includes a budgie, two children, and a wife that keeps my spending under control. Damn this mystical world! | 01:14 |
| rzr | my server/freedombox is my NAS | 01:15 |
| ajalkane | rzr: I think I could run my little server off an SD card. My previous server (may it rest in peace) used only few gigabytes of storage | 01:15 |
| rzr | ajalkane: what does it run ? ssh irc ? | 01:15 |
| ajalkane | rzr: yeah I pretty much used it only for irc client, svn server, jabber server (I don't even have use for that), and http server. Git repository would be useful now too. | 01:16 |
| ajalkane | ah yeah I used it as a game lobby server too, but it's not needed anymore for that | 01:17 |
| rzr | game lobby server ? | 01:20 |
| rzr | what is it supposed to be ? | 01:20 |
| ajalkane | rzr: it was just for on-line racing for this old game called Re-Volt | 01:21 |
| ZogG_lap1op | i use my server to download internets | 01:23 |
| ZogG_lap1op | simple enuf | 01:23 |
| ajalkane | But internet is so huge, I'd need a big HD :( | 01:23 |
| rzr | this mean internet2 exists !!! | 01:24 |
| rzr | if you download them all | 01:24 |
| rzr | how many internets are there ? | 01:24 |
| rzr | would aint be cool if we could setup a network of all internets ... | 01:24 |
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| ajalkane | That'd be a lot of porn. Cool! | 01:25 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | haha | 01:25 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | https://gist.github.com/bbd16883e678b3c4ac12 here's a comparison of the packages in N9 variant 001 pr1.1, and N950 pr1.2 | 01:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ignoring versions | 01:26 |
| rzr | are you able to use telepathy-idle ? djszapi ? | 01:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | a lot of it's just noise due to 001 vs DADD packages | 01:26 |
| ieatlint | oh good, they updated the swipe-tutorial | 01:26 |
| rzr | ieatlint: are u using it ? | 01:27 |
| ieatlint | of course | 01:27 |
| ieatlint | it's awesome | 01:27 |
| ajalkane | haha, u use tutorial. Noob! | 01:28 |
| ajalkane | btw. anyone know where swype dictionary resides? | 01:28 |
| ieatlint | hey, everyone was a noob at one point | 01:28 |
| ajalkane | Would like to backup it before I update | 01:28 |
| ajalkane | ieatlint: true that :(. I admit to looking at swype's web-page to learn it's magical features | 01:29 |
| ieatlint | ajalkane: you're confusing swype and swipe | 01:29 |
| ajalkane | I wonder if they fixed the problem with swype and the browser | 01:29 |
| ajalkane | oh... lol... yeah | 01:30 |
| ieatlint | what problem with the browser? | 01:30 |
| ajalkane | with swype keyboard enabled, if you hit keys one by one with an url that's already on the history it doesn't take all keystrokes but replaces the earlier keystrokes with later while updating the history view | 01:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | actually, that means they took out swipe-tutorial :p | 01:32 |
| ieatlint | noooo | 01:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but that might just be because they don't ship that on dev units | 01:32 |
| rzr | right i missread i thought u were refering to the kb swype | 01:32 |
| ieatlint | ajalkane: i don't have that issue | 01:32 |
| ajalkane | ieatlint: with PR 1.1? | 01:32 |
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| ieatlint | yes | 01:33 |
| ieatlint | although i just checked on an n9, but i doubt its different | 01:33 |
| ajalkane | Humm, strange. | 01:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it looks like the notable additions are XT9 for hebrew and thai, the dropbox client, and a upnp server | 01:33 |
| ieatlint | nope, same on the n950 | 01:33 |
| ajalkane | Say I have many twitter.com URLs in the history, and I start writing in the URL t...w...i, it just writes "ti" | 01:33 |
| ieatlint | itsnotabigtruck: the nfc stuff for the n9 will be big | 01:34 |
| ajalkane | of course if I write slow enough it's successfull, but with normal speed not | 01:34 |
| ieatlint | and folders | 01:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: why is that? | 01:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nfc is dead on arrival technology being pushed by wishful thinking on the part of banks | 01:35 |
| ieatlint | heh, only if you think of it as a payment system | 01:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | except the n9 doesn't support nfc payment anyway | 01:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so that makes it doubly useless | 01:35 |
| ieatlint | the updated version supposedly fixes some nfc issues, and adds some additional p2p functionality | 01:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | cool concept though | 01:35 |
| ieatlint | the bluetooth pairing thing is actually really convenient, and nfc business cards are awesome | 01:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the problem is that there's a good chance i'll never meet anyone irl with an nfc phone, and who knows how to use it | 01:36 |
| ieatlint | actually, a significant number of the new android phones set to come out this year will have nfc | 01:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | n9 isn't distributed through normal channels in the us, and most carrier subsidized phones with nfc have it turned off | 01:37 |
| ieatlint | and the rumours are still abound that the iphone5 will | 01:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | when it is present, it's usually for payment, only | 01:37 |
| ajalkane | Maybe in 10 years. Since there's little hope of getting another maemo based device before then, we might be collecting our NFC rewards then | 01:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | usually in conjunction with some carrier money grab | 01:37 |
| ieatlint | google is pushing the nfc bit for payments, and the benefits will be that it will become more common | 01:38 |
| ieatlint | but there are a lot of applications that are not payment related | 01:38 |
| ieatlint | the most obvious being exchanging vcards | 01:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and most of those applications have to do with wishful thinking on the part of marketers | 01:38 |
| ZogG_lap1op | i can read my bus card with nfc | 01:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | they want a more intrusive version of qr codes | 01:38 |
| ZogG_lap1op | but it says it empty =\ | 01:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because qr cards took off like a tonne of bricks, with a few exceptions | 01:39 |
| ZogG_lap1op | though i know for sure it's not | 01:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | *qr codes | 01:39 |
| ieatlint | ZogG_lap1op: the ones here can actually be read by a phone and will show you the balance on the card, and the last 10 trips you took or so | 01:39 |
| ieatlint | itsnotabigtruck: intrusive? | 01:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: yeah, the idea is that it shows up if your phone is near the product/ad | 01:39 |
| ieatlint | and also, qrcodes are growing fast... they're on half the advertisements i see at bus stops | 01:39 |
| ZogG_lap1op | ieatlint: maybe mine is not that progresive ? | 01:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rather than requiring action to start the qr code reader, scan the code, open the link, etc. | 01:40 |
| ZogG_lap1op | ieatlint: or maybe it is incripted? | 01:40 |
| ieatlint | itsnotabigtruck: near is a relative term, it's not like you walk by it and your phone beeps | 01:40 |
| ieatlint | ZogG_lap1op: likely... the transit card here is a mifare desfire card, which has read access but writing requires a key | 01:40 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | also personally i dislike the idea of those sorts of electronic transit cards (as mentioned earlier)...something like new york's system is a lot more anonymous | 01:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i.e. throwaway magstripe cards that have no identity info | 01:41 |
| ieatlint | new york's system is annoying | 01:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | as opposed to e.g. the uk system where you register your ID for a permanent transit card | 01:42 |
| ieatlint | and if you're about to turn this into a "the government is tracking you" conversation, no thanks | 01:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 01:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, they are...that's not a conspiracy theory, that's a fact | 01:42 |
| ieatlint | i have an oyster card that doesn't have my name or credit card attached to | 01:42 |
| ieatlint | heh, hardly | 01:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's just that they aren't interested in that many people, except for statistical purposes | 01:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but of course if the powers that be are interested in you, there's an almost limitless number of ways to follow where you are and what you do | 01:43 |
| ieatlint | they maintain records, sure | 01:43 |
| ieatlint | but here they need a judge to sign off on access to those records | 01:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's the power of mass surveillance, you gather info on everybody, so that it's always ready when you want it | 01:43 |
| ieatlint | sounds like we should destroy all technology | 01:44 |
| ieatlint | and introduce legislation to ban unique identifiers | 01:44 |
| ieatlint | "an IMSI is really just a way for them to track you!" | 01:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | o.O | 01:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | obviously i'm not advocating the first part | 01:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | as for the latter part, in many ways it is | 01:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it offers a convenient way to continue geolocating people if they swap sims but not phones | 01:45 |
| ieatlint | actually the other way | 01:46 |
| ieatlint | if they swap phones but not sims | 01:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | erm, right, i was thinking of the IMEI | 01:46 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | the IMSI obviously services a purpose | 01:46 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | it is kinda strange how smart cards (in all forms) haven't really caught on at all in the us | 01:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the only real exception is the sim card, and over half of cell phone users are on cdma networks and therefore don't have those either | 01:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but e.g. contactless smart transit cards, emv credit cards, smart id cards, etc. haven't really been deployed | 01:51 |
| ieatlint | the lte networks use sim cards actually | 01:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah but vzw is barely starting to deploy lte | 01:51 |
| ieatlint | but contactless transit cards are in at least two major cities i know | 01:51 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | not nyc, chicago, or wash dc though | 01:52 |
| ieatlint | just thought of a third... seattle, boston and san francisco [bay area] | 01:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | actually maybe chicago, i'm not sure | 01:52 |
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| ieatlint | probably not too far from off in dc, the company that runs the metro's fare gates is the same one that runs the transit card for san francisco, cubic | 01:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, the chicago el uses contactless | 01:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and that's cubic also | 01:53 |
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| ieatlint | also, for vehicles, an active rfid system is used across the country | 01:55 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | right, ez-pass | 01:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (screw everything about that) | 01:55 |
| ieatlint | really it's just payment cards that don't have them | 01:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the federal gov never should have allowed interstates to have tolls | 01:56 |
| ieatlint | happily out west where i live, they don't have tolls | 01:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | they're inching in slowly | 01:57 |
| ieatlint | not really | 01:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | they're putting in a new bridge over the columbia, and the portland government insists on tolling it | 01:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also the washington state gov has imposed tolls on some bridges | 01:58 |
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| ieatlint | oh, tolls are bridges are another story | 01:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm pretty sure there's tolls in CA too | 01:58 |
| ieatlint | only on bridges, and 4 highways in orange county that nobody cares about | 01:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_State_Route_73#Tolls google turned up this after a short search | 01:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's probably one of those 4 :p | 01:59 |
| ajalkane | trolls and bridges is just a fairy tale. I should know, I've read it to my kid | 01:59 |
| ieatlint | yep, and if you look at it, it runs parallel to a larger road that's free | 01:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the point is, local and state governments are always looking for ways to claw more money, and tolls are an effective way to do that | 01:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, they think, then they end up paying 80% to contractors | 02:00 |
| ieatlint | well, clearly the answer is to vote ron paul | 02:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or sometimes the goal is to avoid having to fund roads at all, so they privatize them | 02:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i don't think that's actually happened much yet, but there's been a decent amount of talk about it | 02:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | privately funded roa development in favor of 100% of the tolls | 02:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pretty sure voting ron paul isn't the answer to that one :p | 02:01 |
| ieatlint | what part of the US are you in? | 02:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm from oregon, so i'm used to not having tolls | 02:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or sales tax :D | 02:02 |
| ieatlint | oregon has good beer | 02:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so i hear | 02:04 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | so...is anyone daring enough to try loading the pr1.2beta rootfs onto their N9 | 02:37 |
| ieatlint | i'm too wussy, could easily see it brick the phone | 02:52 |
| ajalkane | hmm... I can try it on my Lumia if you provide instructions. It's practically a brick anyway already. | 02:55 |
| ieatlint | hah | 02:56 |
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| Milhouse | maybe it's just me, but is anyone getting twitter tweets appearing in their feed view? | 03:42 |
| Milhouse | i'm not... :( | 03:42 |
| npm | um, what's the default PR1.2 root/user password?? (i tried the usual r..tm. | 03:42 |
| npm | etc | 03:42 |
| Milhouse | rootme | 03:42 |
| npm | yeah didn't work | 03:42 |
| Milhouse | no user password - user account is locked. unlock it with passwd -u user, then set a password if you want it to have one (better to use certificate authentication) | 03:43 |
| Milhouse | you can't ssh in as root since pr1.1 | 03:43 |
| npm | ah thanks, i'm a version skipper :-) | 03:44 |
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| npm | actually i'm a two-version skipper :-) | 03:44 |
| Milhouse | aha... in that case you need to log in as user, then devel-su etc. | 03:44 |
| npm | what's user login | 03:45 |
| npm | i mean pw | 03:45 |
| Milhouse | see above | 03:45 |
| Milhouse | there ain't one | 03:45 |
| npm | weird | 03:45 |
| npm | didn't work | 03:45 |
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| Milhouse | npm - do you have tweets appearing in your Feed view? | 03:51 |
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| npm | ok i'm in... my usb network magickally reset itself and i was sshing to myself. | 03:52 |
| npm | yeah tweets, facebook, the works | 03:53 |
| * npm "/home/developer $ " | 03:53 | |
| Milhouse | bugger... thanks. maybe i need to delete my twitter account and re-add | 03:53 |
| Milhouse | works fine in the twitter app, nothing appearing in the Feed view | 03:54 |
| npm | i started from scratch other than importing from n900 | 03:55 |
| npm | (contacts etc) | 03:55 |
| npm | despite a hungry n950 that needs feeding via ssh, i must go to dinner :-( | 03:57 |
| npm | later.. | 03:57 |
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| Milhouse | hurrah.... haz twitter in feed view! Had to delete my Twitter account, and re-add it. Tweets appeared during next scheduled automatic update. Phew... | 04:18 |
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| * vladest flashed pr1.2 and now sim card is rejected and no way to install debug package. any1 aware about how to fix this? | 07:29 | |
| RST38h | yeah, gdb no longer installs | 07:30 |
| RST38h | apt-get install fromthe ovi store does not appear to work either | 07:30 |
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| vladest | what about sim card? | 07:39 |
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| ieatlint | has anyone installed pr1.2 without erasing the emmc first and had any issues? | 08:12 |
| ieatlint | am trying it now, shall see | 08:14 |
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| mece | o/ | 08:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | damn, updating a HARM device is even more scary than flashing BIOS on pre-2000 mainboards where BIOS flashrom is soldered | 09:08 |
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| pawky | DocScrutinizer: Welcome to the club.... ;-) | 09:28 |
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| ArkanoiD_ | turning virtual keyboard on and off now almost certainly damages terminal so it gets shrinked to 5 lines of text | 09:33 |
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| * DocScrutinizer feels happy not to use this device as a phone^W^W^W on the go on a regular basis | 09:44 | |
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| ieatlint | i haven't had issues flashing my devices thankfully | 09:48 |
| ieatlint | oooh, nice new feature of pr1.2... in the browser, if you open a second page in a new window, and then close that page, it goes back to the original page instead of the task switcher | 09:50 |
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| leinir | Hmmmm... that's the sort of thing those devs should be putting up on the wiki as a howto :) | 09:53 |
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| leinir | They're not the only people who need to be able to do that ;) | 09:53 |
| ieatlint | the drive app has a LOT of new features too | 09:54 |
| ieatlint | much more useful (eg, things like avoid toll roads) | 09:54 |
| RST38h | Moo all | 09:55 |
| RST38h | So, is there a crowd-sourced list of PR1.2 changes somewhere? | 09:55 |
| ArkanoiD_ | https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=245 damn it sucks :-( | 09:55 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug 245 maj, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, REOP, CPU 100% tracker contacts merge | 09:55 |
| ieatlint | street names support in the voice navigation too | 09:55 |
| ArkanoiD_ | the whole idea of using tracker for everything was totally insane | 09:55 |
| ArkanoiD_ | unlike sqlite you cannot even diagnose and repair it if it gets screwed | 09:56 |
| leinir | ieatlint: Oooh... now /that/ is impressive :) so you're saying, it's now on par with tomtom's iOS app? ;) | 09:56 |
| ieatlint | no | 09:58 |
| ieatlint | i'm saying it's more functional | 09:59 |
| ieatlint | but i am not making comparisons, or specifically stating it is functional | 09:59 |
| leinir | *giggles* :) | 09:59 |
| ieatlint | definitely huge usability improvements in pr1.2 | 10:00 |
| ieatlint | camera also has a lot of nice updates | 10:00 |
| ArkanoiD_ | and we still cannot merge contactos properly :-/ | 10:03 |
| djszapi | maybe in pr1.8 | 10:03 |
| ieatlint | i solved that by just storing all my contacts in google, and resolved dupes there | 10:04 |
| djszapi | anybody got the flashing work on Linux? | 10:05 |
| ArkanoiD_ | iealint i did the same, until it borked | 10:05 |
| ieatlint | works for me on 2 devices | 10:05 |
| ieatlint | djszapi: flashed mine in linux, but i didn't use the ocf script | 10:06 |
| ArkanoiD_ | djszapi, me. just disable stupid cdc_phonet (or whatever it is called) module | 10:06 |
| leinir | Hum, can't say i've had problems - what's the issue with contacts? | 10:06 |
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| djszapi | ArkanoiD_: I tried that, but it did not help. :/ | 10:06 |
| ArkanoiD_ | leinir, when i try to merge contact with another one which is actually online service contact, everything gets fscked up | 10:06 |
| djszapi | it might be that I already have higher than PR1.2 :D | 10:07 |
| ArkanoiD_ | djszapi, likely. | 10:07 |
| ArkanoiD_ | it explicitly says you cannot downgrade | 10:07 |
| leinir | Hmmm... i've done that a lot, hasn't borked here... but surely, now that i'm aware some people have problems, i won't likely be able to get it to work again ;) | 10:07 |
| djszapi | ArkanoiD_: I can, but that is gonna remain my secret :P | 10:07 |
| ieatlint | heh | 10:08 |
| ArkanoiD_ | (i think coldflashing should help in most cases) | 10:08 |
| djszapi | tried that as well for sure. | 10:09 |
| djszapi | I tried all the steps I was recommending to others precedingly. :p | 10:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | leinir: it seems a rather simple thing to do, e.g. settings is using it all the time, when you "go back" (bottom left "key") | 10:16 |
| leinir | DocScrutinizer: Aah yes, of course, i forgot they're separate windows too :) Would be good to have it documented somewhere anyway (if it isn't already, must confess i've not really looked) | 10:17 |
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| djszapi | heh, the Audio mobility element keeps making my application crash :D | 10:19 |
| djszapi | (in a random mood) | 10:19 |
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| * ArkanoiD_ tried map in 1.2 | 10:26 | |
| ArkanoiD_ | still sucks big time. still directs you to 4-ya Tverskaya-Yamskaya street when you search for Tverskaya, 4 | 10:28 |
| ArkanoiD_ | such little details render the whole thing almost unusable :-/ | 10:28 |
| djszapi | is there anything you like ? | 10:28 |
| djszapi | (about the updates) | 10:29 |
| ArkanoiD_ | Not using it long enough to notice any positive difference :-( | 10:29 |
| ieatlint | well, importantly it does a decent job finding addresses in the US, a clear target country | 10:31 |
| djszapi | interestingly enough they did not mention security fixes too much ... | 10:32 |
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| ArkanoiD_ | ieatlint, ah, great. despite the fact n9 is not officially sold in US | 10:37 |
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| * RST38h checks 4 Tverskaya Yamskaya | 10:45 | |
| RST38h | djszapi: No wonder, as they have broken Ovi Store packages installation with apt-get (that is also why restoring apps from backup fails BTW) | 10:46 |
| RST38h | So, yeaaah, the "security fixes" are there all right | 10:46 |
| RST38h | Also, Filemanager package does not install on PR1.2, due to some Aegis error | 10:47 |
| djszapi | what do you mean ? | 10:47 |
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| RST38h | Arkanoid: I think it wants you to go to the International Kennel Union =) | 10:49 |
| khertan_ | Morning | 10:50 |
| RST38h | djszapi: choose a random free Ovi Store package aaa and do apt-get install aaa from xterm | 10:50 |
| ArkanoiD_ | and now after restore i have phantom app that shows calendar events on the feed screen | 10:52 |
| ArkanoiD_ | it does not exist in dpkg -l but it is there and working | 10:52 |
| RST38h | there is a third party app for that | 10:52 |
| RST38h | I have it installed btw | 10:52 |
| djszapi | RST38h: I do not have the package from OVI, and I do not plan to grab it from some tmp diretory either for now :) | 10:53 |
| djszapi | why would I do that usually, btw ? :) | 10:53 |
| ArkanoiD_ | i know, i had it installed before but now i found a new one and cannot uninstall the older one because system does not think it exists | 10:53 |
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| RST38h | ArkanoiD: Uninstallable from Manage Applications, afaik | 10:55 |
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| RST38h | No big deal | 10:55 |
| ArkanoiD_ | no, it is not there either | 10:55 |
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| RST38h | And you have probably forgotten the package name, that is why you "can't find" it with dpkg -l | 10:55 |
| ArkanoiD_ | could be so obscure it does not grep | 10:56 |
| RST38h | yeah, more or less - had this problem many times | 10:56 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile, KDE 4.8 is out, and looks like it is the only remaining option for someone using computer professionally | 11:00 |
| RST38h | (if we discount Xfce/Lxde/TWM/etc for a second) | 11:01 |
| khertan_ | RST38h, gnome 3.2 | 11:01 |
| khertan_ | RST38h, troller ! | 11:01 |
| RST38h | khertan: GNOME folks can stick their media center project up their collective backside. | 11:01 |
| RST38h | This is not how I use my PC. | 11:02 |
| djszapi | RST38h: do you like KDE4.8 ? Have not installed the release yet, just from master at some point. | 11:02 |
| djszapi | it is already in arch testing though. | 11:02 |
| RST38h | djszapi: I do not know. Hated previous incarnations (too ugly, generally, uglier than GNOME2) | 11:02 |
| khertan_ | RST38h, we are talking of the desktop ? wtf ? where did you see a media center ? | 11:02 |
| RST38h | djszapi: But with GNOME gone off the deep end, KDE looks like this only remaining alternative | 11:02 |
| khertan_ | RST38h, fud | 11:02 |
| djszapi | RST38h: have been using ratpoison for six years or so :p | 11:03 |
| djszapi | I liked KDE until plasma :) | 11:03 |
| djszapi | but this new plasma is cool imho. | 11:03 |
| RST38h | khertan: Sorry, but I did not see any desktop there. What I have seen is Maemo4 UI expanded to PC screen | 11:03 |
| khertan_ | RST38h, so open your eyes | 11:03 |
| khertan_ | :) | 11:03 |
| RST38h | khertan; I am not ready to use Maemo4 UI on a PC | 11:03 |
| khertan_ | RST38h, it s a configurable ui | 11:04 |
| RST38h | khertan: Opened my eyes, even visited a loo before that, to avoid accidents | 11:04 |
| khertan_ | you have a maemo4 ui if you put one | 11:04 |
| RST38h | Not configurable in any way I could find. Most settings are gone. | 11:04 |
| khertan_ | RST38h, like saying kde suck ... by default ... there isn't any widget on plasma | 11:04 |
| khertan_ | RST38h, settings aren't gone, there was in the beta 3.0 | 11:05 |
| khertan_ | not in 3.2 | 11:05 |
| * RST38h does not say KDE or GNOME sucks. He says GNOME3 is unusable for day to day professional work. | 11:05 | |
| djszapi | though, it is cool for tablet. | 11:05 |
| RST38h | No opinion on KDE 4.x yet, have not tried. Had to switch to Xfce. | 11:05 |
| khertan_ | RST38h, same, i use it everyday for professional use, and i found it better than kde | 11:05 |
| RST38h | djszapi: Any people with PC tablets, using them as their primary computers? | 11:05 |
| RST38h | To, you know, *work*? | 11:06 |
| djszapi | have not really said that. | 11:06 |
| RST38h | Then whom is GNOME3 addressing, anyway? | 11:06 |
| khertan_ | but maybe like stallman say it, the fact that we have such design today in the linux world is maybe due to the fact that project leader are getting old and need to wear glasses | 11:06 |
| khertan_ | s/it/ | 11:06 |
| khertan_ | RST38h, did n't have tablet :) | 11:07 |
| khertan_ | RST38h, gnome3 is perfect for me | 11:07 |
| khertan_ | i like it, far better than gnome2 or kde4.x | 11:07 |
| RST38h | Oh well | 11:07 |
| khertan_ | (better for me) | 11:07 |
| khertan_ | it s matter of preferences | 11:07 |
| khertan_ | but i cann't let you said that it s not a professionnal env | 11:08 |
| * RST38h isn't sure liking GNOME3 is a matter of preference, although GNOME2 vs KDE definitely was that | 11:08 | |
| jreznik | hey, we're building enterprise desktop on top of gnome 3 :) | 11:09 |
| khertan_ | RST38h, personnally while i like Qt, i found that KDE is a bunch of unorganized mess | 11:09 |
| alterego | I've always thought that, though I've not used KDE in a long time now. | 11:10 |
| khertan_ | alterego, i ve try kde4 and plasma, i ven't understand the concept | 11:10 |
| khertan_ | and didn't see anything innovative | 11:10 |
| khertan_ | maybe it s , but i ven't see | 11:11 |
| RST38h | jreznik: should buy your user support people a lot of antidepressants | 11:11 |
| khertan_ | RST38h, fud | 11:11 |
| RST38h | jreznik: on fact, for the userbase as well | 11:11 |
| RST38h | khertan: Look, I am not considering this a GNOME vs KDE race | 11:11 |
| jreznik | khertan_: all activities etc. started make sense now with plasma active | 11:11 |
| khertan_ | RST38h, https://extensions.gnome.org/ | 11:12 |
| RST38h | khertan: And I *do not want* anything "innovative". Just want my desktop to work and let me do my job. | 11:12 |
| khertan_ | RST38h, yep this is the problem i ve with kde | 11:12 |
| jreznik | I do not use activities on desktop but when I tried it on active, I really miss them on harmattan :) | 11:12 |
| khertan_ | RST38h, bling bling ... whoa effect ... but didn't let do my job | 11:12 |
| RST38h | khertan: Instead, GNOME3 offers me what looks like a media center, with most configuration options gone, and some parts of the desktop intermittently crashing (yes, I mean the file manager) | 11:13 |
| khertan_ | jreznik, did n't see a use for it | 11:13 |
| khertan_ | RST38h, didn't have such problem | 11:13 |
| khertan_ | RST38h, use a real distro | 11:13 |
| khertan_ | :) | 11:13 |
| RST38h | khertan: I am using a real distro, Ubuntu 11 | 11:13 |
| RST38h | khertan: With the GNOME3 that comes with it, packaged and adapted. | 11:13 |
| khertan_ | RST38h, it s not a distro ... it s a giant alpha tests managed by monkeys | 11:14 |
| RST38h | And before you ask, Unity is exactly the same garbage pile as GNOME3, just as "innovative" and this unusable | 11:14 |
| Hq` | unfortunately the trend seems to be that everything is going for improved tablet/netbook usability at the expense of traditional desktop usage... | 11:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | buntkuh, a real distro... *cough* | 11:14 |
| khertan_ | RST38h, no ... unity is really unusable | 11:14 |
| khertan_ | but it s another story | 11:14 |
| RST38h | khertan: Once I switched to Xfce, no crashes. Should I blame Canonical for that? | 11:14 |
| khertan_ | RST38h, yeah ... they included untested package | 11:15 |
| RST38h | Not just "included", Khertan. They *integrated* untested *desktop environment*, this is what you are trying to say? | 11:15 |
| khertan_ | patch most of the time thing the worst way thing just to made it | 11:15 |
| RST38h | Why did this suddenly happen with GNOME3? (GNOME2 worked like a charm) | 11:16 |
| khertan_ | RST38h, it s not just desktop it s the whole unbuntu style | 11:16 |
| RST38h | Never noticed it, Khertan | 11:16 |
| RST38h | Ubuntu always "just worked" for me. Until Unity and Gnome3 | 11:16 |
| khertan_ | you were lucky :) | 11:17 |
| RST38h | So, I am not inclined to blame the whole Canonical team. | 11:17 |
| Hq` | I have to agree :P | 11:17 |
| RST38h | Just parts of it. | 11:17 |
| Hq` | unity as a default ux... totally braindead | 11:17 |
| Hq` | horrible usability on desktop and also buggy as hell | 11:18 |
| * DocScrutinizer just thought if the analogy might fit: ubuntu is to desktop linux what HARM is to maemo | 11:18 | |
| khertan_ | ubuntu is to desktop linux what Tizen is to MeeGo | 11:19 |
| khertan_ | it ll kill it | 11:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | or that :-D | 11:19 |
| khertan_ | not because it s better, just more money | 11:19 |
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| RST38h | Doc: Dunno, it works. It is certainly cleaner than Redhat, too | 11:22 |
| RST38h | Doc: Yes, it feels like Windows, but this is not always a bad thing. | 11:23 |
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| pawky | ehh... of what use is tcpdump if you do not have any rights to use any interfaces? | 11:23 |
| RST38h | pawky: It is there as an invitation to hack Aegis. | 11:25 |
| pawky | but its provided by nokia... why do they give you the opportunity to download something not working? | 11:26 |
| * RST38h sighs: why do you even still have to ask? | 11:27 | |
| pawky | because, I believe I did get it to work, earlier... so it must work somehow... | 11:27 |
| pawky | I have a hard time believing Nokia put in something THAT useless (except for Aegis, that is). So my wonders is, what where they supposing one should use tcpdump for on the unit? | 11:29 |
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| khertan_ | pawky: why the n9, and continue supporting the os ? as anyway they ll drop it for that crappy Wp ? | 11:36 |
| alterego | Ubuntu VMs in Ubuntu work suprisingly well. | 11:36 |
| khertan_ | pawky: probably different team ? side effect ? | 11:36 |
| alterego | pawky: we use it in R&D sometimes, and as it's FOSS I think it's part of the SDK repo? | 11:41 |
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| pawky | alterego: then how do you get it to work then? I need it to see why the SMTP suddenly creates a garbeled connection... | 11:52 |
| pawky | khertan: Why the N9? Well... because it's linux... why else? | 11:53 |
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| alterego | pawky: it might work on some peoples' N9s ;) | 12:01 |
| alterego | Probably not yours though :) | 12:01 |
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| Khertan | pawky i didn't mean why n9 is your choice :) but why nokia still update his soft | 12:05 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | Khertan: sup buddy | 12:12 |
| ZogG_lap1op | thp: ping | 12:12 |
| ZogG_lap1op | X-Fade: ping | 12:14 |
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| * vladest flashed pr1.2 and now sim card is rejected and no way to install debug package. any1 aware about how to fix this? | 12:18 | |
| mja | awesome, SIP contacts no longer disappear from contacts | 12:19 |
| ZogG_lap1op | mja: i like that reaction | 12:20 |
| ZogG_lap1op | when you actually happy when something works as it suppose to =) | 12:20 |
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| mja | ZogG_lap1op: one adapts to what one is given :) | 12:32 |
| mja | such is life | 12:32 |
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| artemma | Got tired with unstoppable twitter flood in your #N9 or #N950 event feed? Vote for buhttp://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=729 | 12:36 |
| * artemma discovered harmattan bugzilla :) | 12:36 | |
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| artemma | BTW, what's the proper name for lately released build? Is it N950 PR1.2 or N950 PR1.2 Beta? | 12:36 |
| ZogG_lap1op | 1.2b i assume | 12:37 |
| ZogG_lap1op | btw anyone here used system share within there app? | 12:37 |
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| tomma | system share? you mean sending files etc using share interface (bluetooth, nfc, mail)? | 12:40 |
| ZogG_lap1op | i mean the share plugin (that shows nfc, mms, twitter, and so on) | 12:41 |
| ZogG_lap1op | if i want to share link from my app for example | 12:42 |
| ZogG_lap1op | as well i would wonder how to add my own service there | 12:43 |
| tomma | https://projects.developer.nokia.com/cuteexplorer/browser/src/core.cpp#L235 | 12:43 |
| tomma | not sure how links etc works... could be you need make some DataItems from them | 12:45 |
| tomma | and to add service you need to make plugin and i think sources of that shareinterface has some examples | 12:45 |
| tomma | http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-sharing-framework/share-ui/trees/master | 12:46 |
| ZogG_lap1op | tomma: thanx | 12:56 |
| ZogG_lap1op | tomma: but i think first example is not for me | 12:57 |
| ZogG_lap1op | actually my app is for sharing image to image service, i just wanted to use sharing plugin to post links, that's it =) | 12:57 |
| matrixx | artemma: you're missinterpreted that feature, it doesn't mean it filters your event feed | 13:06 |
| artemma | matrixx: I just got same reply in bugzilla :) | 13:06 |
| matrixx | artemma: it means that contact card would show latest tweet from user | 13:06 |
| artemma | need to work on my English probably | 13:06 |
| matrixx | artemma: hehe, ok :) | 13:06 |
| rantom | Since the front facing camera should be usable now, according to the changelog, how does one enable it? I'm guessing that it'd be done via another application, e.g. Skype, but not in Camera? | 13:07 |
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| artemma | matrixx: hey, how do you link phonebook contact to twitter? :/ | 13:13 |
| artemma | I mean it's cool to see twitter updates of ppl right in phonebook, butI can't figure how device knows which contact is which twitter handle | 13:13 |
| matrixx | artemma: probably compares name | 13:14 |
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| radiofree | rantom: the front camera has always worked... | 13:17 |
| artemma | quite naive.. | 13:17 |
| radiofree | in gstreamer if you use the subdevsrc with a camera-device=1 | 13:17 |
| artemma | and I don't think I've ever seen a tweet in the contact card (facebook works fine) | 13:17 |
| rantom | radiofree: Yes, but I meant can a regular user still access it without e.g. Skype, if even that support it? | 13:18 |
| radiofree | no skype video support | 13:19 |
| rantom | Without Terminal | 13:19 |
| radiofree | i don't think it's possible in the camera app, but if you want to make an app then it's perfectly accessible to you | 13:19 |
| rantom | ok | 13:20 |
| radiofree | rantom: you'll need to aegis is correctly though, GRP::video i think | 13:22 |
| rantom | radiofree: Ok. I was just confused what Nokia meant with this: "Front camera support" from: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950/Nokia_N950_PR12_Release_Notes_v02-6_en.html | 13:24 |
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| radiofree | rantom: maybe it's been exposed more easily in some api | 13:26 |
| rantom | Ah, ok | 13:26 |
| rantom | So the same as I thought | 13:26 |
| radiofree | something like gst-launch-0.10 -m subdevsrc camera-device=1 ! xvimagesink would have always worked | 13:27 |
| radiofree | but you'd have to fight with aegis with that command | 13:27 |
| rantom | Heh | 13:27 |
| petteri | at least with smartcam app you can use front cam on pr1.1 | 13:28 |
| rantom | Yeah | 13:28 |
| rantom | Still waiting for Nokia to enable using it from Camera directly | 13:28 |
| rantom | Not a priority thought to me | 13:28 |
| rantom | Though I'd be more interested to see CardDAV supported being implemented | 13:29 |
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| Coke | I'm trying to enter developer mode, but it just says "Installation interrupted" and gives me the option to "Try again" or "Cancel" | 13:34 |
| djszapi | Coke: try again later (in 1-2 hours). | 13:34 |
| Coke | djszapi: it has ALWAYS been like that. | 13:34 |
| Coke | djszapi: tried a few weeks ago, was like that | 13:34 |
| djszapi | I have not said few weeks, when the issue can reappear. I said for 1-2 hours. | 13:35 |
| Coke | djszapi: how come? | 13:36 |
| Coke | is the site down? | 13:36 |
| djszapi | Yes, we had always issues temporarily with that. | 13:37 |
| djszapi | It might be another problem, but this can be one reason after all. | 13:37 |
| Coke | my phone is basically useless to me until I get a terminal | 13:37 |
| Coke | and when ever I've tried before (tried a dozen times) I get that error | 13:37 |
| djszapi | n9 or N950 ? | 13:38 |
| Coke | N9 | 13:38 |
| Coke | I _wish_ it was N950 | 13:38 |
| Coke | but I cant find those | 13:38 |
| djszapi | well, of course...that was a developer program thingie. | 13:38 |
| araujo | I got some similar errors yesterday with some applications upgrade, I just kept trying | 13:38 |
| Coke | araujo: did it work eventually? | 13:39 |
| araujo | yes | 13:39 |
| Coke | well ive tried a lot now | 13:39 |
| Coke | it's just not working. | 13:40 |
| djszapi | hard to play the magician roles without logs, too :) | 13:40 |
| Coke | unfortunately, I can't sell it because anybody fit to use the N9 rather wants the iphone | 13:40 |
| pawky | alterego: you might be right there, this is my third N9, and on this one it doesn't work. on one of the earlier ones it did... | 13:40 |
| Coke | djszapi: does this phone even have logs? I thought it was all about having Skype, Twitter and Facebook as part of the core packaging. | 13:40 |
| djszapi | Coke: no, you are out of the luck without developer mode since you do not have syslog, nor accessibility to that even if it was. | 13:41 |
| djszapi | and you cannot use jtag either | 13:41 |
| djszapi | Coke: which country are you in ? | 13:42 |
| Coke | sweden | 13:42 |
| Coke | im calling the store that sold it to me | 13:42 |
| Coke | to see if I can return it for moneys back. I'm not sure what sort ofwarranty nokia has | 13:43 |
| djszapi | Coke have you actually tried in different points, and not like a bunch attack in half an hour ? | 13:43 |
| Coke | djszapi: I've tried at least five different occations | 13:43 |
| djszapi | during a day ? | 13:43 |
| Coke | also, I dont want a phone that gives me that error _ever_ | 13:43 |
| djszapi | or in few weeks ? | 13:43 |
| Coke | djszapi: at least one day apart | 13:44 |
| Coke | it doesnt matter. | 13:44 |
| djszapi | you have 2 weeks (about) after the buying to return it if you do not like it. | 13:44 |
| Coke | I dont want a phone that requires me to "wait a few hours, go in a circle, smoke some weed and try again later" | 13:44 |
| djszapi | why not test these things after the buying ? | 13:44 |
| Coke | djszapi: it's been more than two weeks. it's been sitting in it's box | 13:44 |
| Coke | djszapi: I did test. | 13:44 |
| djszapi | you could not press the developer mode thingie in two weeks ? :) | 13:45 |
| djszapi | or did it work back then ? | 13:45 |
| Coke | I only tried 3-4 times | 13:45 |
| Coke | never worked | 13:45 |
| Coke | immediately when I realized that things like Twitter is a core package I thought to myself "this is a shitty OS compared to maemo 5" | 13:46 |
| Coke | in order to at least remove the icons I needed developer mode | 13:46 |
| Coke | that has never worked. | 13:46 |
| djszapi | have you tried with different internet connections ? | 13:46 |
| Coke | and thusly, I have continued to use the N900 in favour of the N9, only occationally trying to get the developer mode working | 13:46 |
| Coke | djszapi: two different. | 13:47 |
| Coke | but it doesnt matter, if it doesnt work with ALL wifi I dont want it. the htc, the iphone and the n900 all work fine over any wifi, why should I settle for less than that? | 13:47 |
| djszapi | wifi and 3g ? | 13:47 |
| pawky | Coke: It sounds like you might need to reflash your unit. Your problem happened on my first N9 as well. | 13:47 |
| Coke | i did not try with 3G | 13:47 |
| Coke | pawky: if at all possible I'll try to return it. | 13:48 |
| djszapi | I do not seriously understand how you was not able to try it out in two weeks. | 13:48 |
| djszapi | were not* | 13:48 |
| Coke | djszapi: I did try it out A LOT | 13:48 |
| pawky | Coke: But when listening to your arguments regarding what you think about the OS, I will highly recommend you to return your phone to the dealer. | 13:48 |
| Coke | at least 3 times | 13:48 |
| djszapi | why did you not return it if you do not wanna such a phone which does this ? | 13:48 |
| Coke | djszapi: aren't you reading? in two weeks I've tried to enable developer mode on at least 3 different occations | 13:48 |
| Coke | djszapi: I thought it might be a temporary problem | 13:49 |
| pawky | Coke: Have you during these two weeks tried to reflash your phone? | 13:49 |
| Coke | pawky: nope. | 13:49 |
| araujo | Coke, how about updating any other packages? | 13:49 |
| araujo | does it work? | 13:49 |
| Coke | I did update today | 13:49 |
| Coke | the update worked fine | 13:49 |
| djszapi | pawky is the master of random serious issues ;) | 13:50 |
| Coke | I think the update made the phone alittle bit slower, that's all. | 13:50 |
| pawky | djszapi: oh, you flattering you... ;-) | 13:50 |
| pawky | Coke:Then how about trying to reflash it? | 13:50 |
| Coke | can I do it here and now quickly? | 13:50 |
| pawky | Coke: then again, when i encountered your problem, the phone actually had a hardware failure... in the end I got a new one... | 13:51 |
| Coke | pawky: might be the same problem here | 13:51 |
| pawky | Coke: There are people here who can confirm if it is... but I let them reveal themselves should they want to help you... | 13:52 |
| Coke | it's not my money, it's my employer's so I don't really care if this phone sits in its box and eventually is thrown in the garbage, but if at all possible I'd like to salvage it | 13:52 |
| pawky | Coke: Well, If you phone would work, I am pretty sure you would have a great user experience.. | 13:52 |
| Coke | pawky: I doubt it. anything that has twitter as a core package is not for me. | 13:53 |
| Coke | anything that doesnt come with a terminal by default also is not. | 13:53 |
| pawky | Coke:Try to get someone to confirm you do not have an early phone with hardwara failure.. | 13:53 |
| artemma | Installed skype to N950 PR1.2 using instructions at http://leho.kraav.com/blog/2011/12/01/install-n9-skype-ui-on-n950/ Just a couple of console lines. Worked fine except for account fetching crashing on wrong password :) | 13:53 |
| Coke | the seller is on lunch | 13:53 |
| pawky | Coke: Well.. they have to sell the phone, hence they have to put lamer stuff in as well.. like facebook, twitter etc.. | 13:53 |
| Coke | pawky: could still be optional | 13:54 |
| pawky | Coke: The core functionality of the phone is very cool though.. and in open mode you might even smile.. | 13:54 |
| Coke | pawky: I use linux EVERYWHERE, I don't have twitter or facebook apps part of the core on any of the dists I use. | 13:54 |
| alterego | pawky: then by that reasoning no phone is for you ... | 13:54 |
| pawky | Coke: welcome to the club... if you do, you cannot be without an N9... | 13:54 |
| djszapi | :D | 13:54 |
| alterego | I meant Coke ... | 13:54 |
| pawky | Have to go to a meeting.. | 13:55 |
| pawky | :-) | 13:55 |
| Coke | pawky: my N900 still works even though it is slowly dying on me | 13:55 |
| Coke | alterego: yeah, the N900 works for me. | 13:55 |
| Coke | alterego: but you are right, I think the N9 was the last "smart" phone I buy | 13:55 |
| alterego | I doubt that very much | 13:55 |
| Coke | alterego: unless Intel finally release their project tot he public | 13:56 |
| Coke | also, since webos is apache license these days it might be a replacement, so I guess there's still hope. | 13:58 |
| Coke | but overall, my old ericson with Symbian has about 10 times the battery life and none of the headaches of the smartphones. | 13:58 |
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| vladest | any1 aware of SIm card rejected issue in PR1.2 on n950? | 14:06 |
| Coke | vladest: I wonder how you got hold of a N950 | 14:07 |
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| vladest | Coke received from nokia for sure | 14:08 |
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| thp | ZogG_lap1op: pong | 14:40 |
| mece | 'hello | 14:40 |
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| vladest | any1 succeed installing gdb on n950 with pr1.2? | 14:52 |
| mece | vladest, did apt-get install gdb | 14:55 |
| mece | vladest, no issues. | 14:55 |
| vladest | mece: ok, thanks | 14:57 |
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| mece | vladest, didn't actually try it, but it installed fine :) | 15:00 |
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| vladest | ok, gdb installing...sim card issue left | 15:12 |
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| trx | when i use : aegis-exec -a "GRP::video" -a "GRP::pulse-access" gst-launch-0.10 -v subdevsrc camera-device=secondary capture-mode=video ! dsph264enc ! rtph264pay ! udpsink host=192.168.1.50 port=5434 | 15:27 |
| trx | i can stream from n950 to pc | 15:27 |
| trx | (view using vlc player) | 15:27 |
| trx | but it only works for secondary(front camera) | 15:28 |
| trx | when i try the primary i get an error | 15:28 |
| trx | "dsp node create failed" and "internal data flow error" | 15:29 |
| trx | any suggestions why? | 15:29 |
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| Corsac | I'm not sure if it's the wireless connection which is flacky or the power management which sucks, but sip over wifi is painful | 15:41 |
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| M4rtinK | Corsac: I've seen someone mentioning SIP@Wifi being improved quite a lot in PR 1.2 | 15:42 |
| M4rtinK | in the TMO PR 1.2 thread | 15:42 |
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| vladest | it seems there is no deb command in pr1.2 | 15:47 |
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| Corsac | M4rtinK: ok | 15:49 |
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| Khertan | what ????? no deb command ? | 15:52 |
| Khertan | dpkg-deb is here | 15:53 |
| Khertan | vladest, ? | 15:53 |
| Khertan | apt tools too | 15:54 |
| vladest | Khertan: I want to add an repo | 15:55 |
| vladest | afaik its deb command used for this | 15:56 |
| vladest | right? | 15:56 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | sup sup guys | 16:06 |
| ZogG_lap1op | how can i use flackable area and gridview at the same page? | 16:07 |
| Corsac | vladest: no | 16:09 |
| ArkanoiD_ | ah. finally pictures in the twitter feed. too small to see anything, though | 16:11 |
| radiofree | trx: have you tried with camera-device=0 | 16:13 |
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| * ArkanoiD_ got strange impression that rotation to portrait became *worse* in 1.2 | 16:25 | |
| ArkanoiD_ | to landscape, even | 16:25 |
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| kirma | I have the impression that swipe-to-close started to accept swipes which were not coherent with the display orientation if the phone was somewhere between landscape and portrait orientation | 16:28 |
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| Corsac | can someone with pr1.2beta and SIP can look if call log correctly registers entries? | 16:34 |
| Corsac | (when I try to call a contact through SIP, it registers the sip:foo@foo number but not the contact | 16:34 |
| Corsac | if it's already fixed, no need to make a dupe bug | 16:34 |
| mece | hey where is the wallpaper picture stored on the phone? | 16:34 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, and is it somehow possible to delete completed tasks after a while? | 17:02 |
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| damaltor | hi everybody | 17:20 |
| damaltor | if my n9 is in a malf state, but there is no /var/malf , what reason might that be? | 17:21 |
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| jonni | usually in that case some system critical binary or file has been edited. | 17:47 |
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| rantom | How does one get access to the photos/pictures that have been sent via Bluetooth? | 18:09 |
| rantom | I've been unable to access those without using e.g. a filemanager | 18:09 |
| damaltor | rantom: should be in gallery app | 18:11 |
| rantom | Hmm | 18:15 |
| rantom | I'll test with the new beta, if I recall right it doesn't work properly in the PR1.1 stable | 18:16 |
| rantom | One file I had to rename to get it to show up in Gallery | 18:16 |
| damaltor | if they are hidden files, and start with a dot, they wont show up. but thats unlikely for nornmal image files | 18:17 |
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| uros | Hello | 18:18 |
| uros | Can i ask some question here? | 18:19 |
| damaltor | try :D# | 18:20 |
| uros | Thanks | 18:20 |
| rantom | damaltor: Yeah. I re-tested with N9 to N950 and vice versa, no problems, showed up properly in Gallery. Don't know why though some files just won't show up. I'll try to reproduce it later again | 18:21 |
| uros | i am trying to write simple linear image gallery | 18:21 |
| uros | qml based | 18:21 |
| uros | and i need to have pinch2zoom option and double-tap to scale to width/height | 18:22 |
| rantom | Simply put: some files go with Bluetooth to the correct place and show up in Gallery, some are located in different place and won't show up in Gallery, until fixed (e.g. renamed or possibly moved to the correct position) | 18:22 |
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| damaltor | rantom: sounds funny. i had the same problem with music files. i think if a file is moved on the device, eg by mounting in usb and putting a file into a subdirectory (i put all preinstalled music into a folder named "demo"), opon next gallery database update the phone knows that they are still there, but cant find them because they are not in the right folder | 18:23 |
| damaltor | could it be that the files were on your phone earlier, and are now in some other place? | 18:23 |
| uros | damaltor, should i continue, or wait for you guys to finish discussion? | 18:24 |
| rantom | damaltor: Nope. But I noticed that two files, which one I've received with Bluetooth and one from MMS, are oddly enough in Pictures, not in DCIM, where they should be | 18:25 |
| rantom | So something is going wrong, no idea what | 18:25 |
| damaltor | uros: just continue. try to put your whole question in one line, so people can read it completely. if somebody knows how to help you, he will tell you | 18:25 |
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| rantom | Both of those pictures though have been from non-Nokia devices | 18:25 |
| djszapi | jonni ping | 18:25 |
| rantom | maybe that'd explain it :D | 18:25 |
| uros | ok, you are right, thanks | 18:26 |
| damaltor | hey djszapi, maybe you could help me too. i just MALFed my phone, but dont know why. there is no /var/malf | 18:26 |
| djszapi | damaltor: no time available, I am sorry for thqat. | 18:26 |
| djszapi | that* | 18:26 |
| damaltor | rantom: lol. that might be :P try to open and re-save them on your pc | 18:27 |
| damaltor | djszapi: ok, thanks though | 18:27 |
| rantom | damaltor: Yeah. I'll try to reproduce it once I have an Android or iPhone near me again since those caused those situations | 18:28 |
| damaltor | kk | 18:29 |
| uros | So, the problem is: I use horizontal listview as simple gallery implementation.Every element of that listview is flickable item with image in it, so i can be able to zoom it. Inside flickable item, i have pincharea needed for zoom, and mousearea needed for doubletap. The problem is after pinch is finished, next touch to the screen reset fickable offset to 0, so the zoomed image flicks to the topleft corner of flickable area. | 18:29 |
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| uros | if i remove mouseare everything works fine, but then i dont have double tap option which is needed for this project | 18:29 |
| uros | Native gallery app can do all of this without any problem. That's way i am eager to see how can i acomplish this. | 18:31 |
| uros | Any thoughts? | 18:32 |
| djszapi | damaltor: I will be at FOSDEM, and I can help with such things, if you happen to be there...Until that quite busy with the preparation. | 18:32 |
| damaltor | djszapi: yeah, any help appreciated. but as i need the phone "now", i guess i will have to raflash | 18:34 |
| jreznik | who else will be at fosdem from this channel? | 18:34 |
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| damaltor | djszapi: can you answer a short question? if aegis notices a file in refhashlist has a wrong checksum, will there always be a /var/malf? | 18:41 |
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| djszapi | damaltor: the malf screen is not done by aegis | 18:43 |
| djszapi | aegis just returns if it is not okay, and up to the system-software guys what they do with the result. | 18:43 |
| damaltor | djszapi: oh, ok. | 18:43 |
| damaltor | having a malf without knowing why sucks | 18:43 |
| djszapi | up to the system-software guys. | 18:44 |
| djszapi | we return to them what is not okay. | 18:44 |
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| djszapi | but afaik they put it into malf, even though it is dismissable in certain cases. | 18:44 |
| faenil | Uni exams finisheeeeeeeeeeeed | 18:44 |
| faenil | fuck yeaaaah | 18:44 |
| faenil | sorry :D | 18:44 |
| djszapi | faenil: then go and clean your room :D | 18:45 |
| faenil | ahahah, correct :D | 18:45 |
| damaltor | djszapi: ok then... i guess ill have to reflash, i cant find whats wrong | 18:45 |
| damaltor | question to all: what data will i loose on reflashing? | 18:46 |
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| djszapi | damaltor: isn't it a dismissable malf screen ? | 18:46 |
| djszapi | can you please take a picture or write the complain ? | 18:46 |
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| djszapi | (also: what have you done precedingly?) | 18:47 |
| damaltor | djszapi: it just tells me that the device is malfunctioning. no text stating the error | 18:47 |
| damaltor | djszapi: i rebooted due to compass not working. i rebooted earlier w/o problems. | 18:47 |
| djszapi | you sure, not even at the bottom ? | 18:47 |
| damaltor | nope | 18:48 |
| damaltor | just the triangle, and the please-take-me-to-service text | 18:48 |
| damaltor | thats it | 18:48 |
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| damaltor | i _guess_ that is why i cannot find any wroong checksums.. been looking throufg stuff i installed lately | 18:49 |
| djszapi | damaltor: that explanation sounds weird. | 18:50 |
| damaltor | true | 18:50 |
| damaltor | if the device would show me whats wrong, i would have a starting point to search. but there is nothing, nothing at all | 18:50 |
| djszapi | take me a picture pls. | 18:51 |
| djszapi | (is it N9 or developer device?) | 18:51 |
| damaltor | djszapi: it is a n9 | 18:52 |
| damaltor | http://www.stochasticgeometry.ie/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/20111018_003b.jpg this is what i see | 18:52 |
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| djszapi | I would say go for re-flash then. | 18:53 |
| damaltor | sorry, i use up your time. i guess i will reflash now | 18:53 |
| damaltor | should i flash the emmc too? | 18:53 |
| djszapi | depends. | 18:53 |
| damaltor | :S | 18:53 |
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| djszapi | if you flash the same firmware version, probably not needed. | 18:53 |
| damaltor | i guess i will just do, as there is no way to make it worse | 18:53 |
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| damaltor | but i would like to know what data will be gone... and i guess "everything" is the correct answer | 18:54 |
| djszapi | yup. | 18:54 |
| djszapi | try without emmc first. | 18:54 |
| damaltor | ok.. will that save any data? :D | 18:55 |
| damaltor | or is there a way to backup most of it? | 18:55 |
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| djszapi | emmc is /home/user/MyDocs/ | 18:56 |
| djszapi | so if you do not flash that, you can preserve that, if you can succeed with not flashing that,. | 18:56 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | i hate anchors and all height and width setting | 19:00 |
| damaltor | djszapi: looks like my computer is going into a malf state now, too. last question: contacts/settings/..., are they saved in MyDocs, too? | 19:00 |
| ZogG_lap1op | anyone here can help me figure out | 19:01 |
| djszapi | damaltor: prolly. | 19:01 |
| ZogG_lap1op | i have listview in flickable area | 19:01 |
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| damaltor | djszapi: ok then, ill reflash now. thanks for your help and sorry for your time | 19:01 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | the problem is how the height of listview as childrenRect.height is not helping | 19:01 |
| djszapi | damaltor: I wish the best. | 19:01 |
| damaltor | thanks | 19:02 |
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| ninnnu | Is there a chance I brick my phone if I blacklist ipv6 in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf? | 19:05 |
| djszapi | there is always a chance. | 19:06 |
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| ninnnu | Because I've heard stories that someone's phone doesn't boot after modifying /etc/ | 19:07 |
| djszapi | ninnnu: your best bet is the refhashlist file | 19:07 |
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| faenil | n950 charging... | 19:10 |
| faenil | about to flash :) | 19:10 |
| faenil | any reason no to? | 19:10 |
| faenil | not to? | 19:10 |
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| djszapi | faenil: because it will explode. | 19:10 |
| faenil | xD? XD | 19:10 |
| faenil | any new bug or things like that? | 19:11 |
| ninnnu | (The problem I'm trying to fix is "wlan0: deauthenticating from AP:MA:CA:DD:RE:SS by local choice (reason=3)", Google suggests that removing ipv6 would help) | 19:11 |
| djszapi | ninnnu: more verbosely then: grep for the file you wanna modify in the refhashlist. | 19:12 |
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| ninnnu | /etc/refhashlist only contains "Aegis3.0"? | 19:13 |
| mgedmin | 802.11 reason code 3 is "station has left the basic service area or extended service area and is deauthenticated" | 19:13 |
| djszapi | ninnnu: no, /var/lib/aegis/refhashlist | 19:14 |
| ninnnu | Okay | 19:14 |
| ninnnu | Nope, blacklist isn't there | 19:15 |
| ninnnu | So I guess it'd be safe | 19:15 |
| djszapi | well | 19:15 |
| djszapi | I would look for the container directory as well | 19:15 |
| phako | ipv6 shouldn't be there as well. It's optional to install in developer mode | 19:15 |
| ninnnu | hm | 19:15 |
| djszapi | phako: you do not really wanna guess things :) | 19:16 |
| djszapi | when you modify anything in etc, it is best to double check. | 19:16 |
| ninnnu | phako: I haven't installed that. But ipv6 module is loaded anyway | 19:16 |
| ninnnu | But the funny thing is that the WLAN I'm trying to connect to doesn't give IPv6... | 19:17 |
| djszapi | ninnnu: go for the modification. | 19:18 |
| ninnnu | Or maybe I go for risk-free "meh, I don't university WLAN".. | 19:19 |
| ninnnu | Anyway, good to know about the refhashlist | 19:20 |
| djszapi | there is no risk, if it is not checked against any hash. | 19:20 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | djszapi: have a min? | 19:50 |
| damaltor | djszapi: i rflashed now. most data is kept, i just have to reinstall my apps | 19:50 |
| djszapi | damaltor: nifty =) | 19:50 |
| djszapi | ZogG_lap1op: nop, sorry. | 19:51 |
| ZogG_lap1op | ok | 19:51 |
| ZogG_lap1op | =( | 19:51 |
| damaltor | djszapi: much thanks to you | 19:55 |
| gri | faenil: Damn you, I had my first test today and still 4 to go :( | 20:03 |
| faenil | only 4? aren't you at the first year? | 20:03 |
| gri | I am but we have five tests in the first semester (half a year) | 20:03 |
| faenil | oh ok you're talking about first year :) | 20:05 |
| faenil | yeah I know what you mean :) | 20:06 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | =\ | 20:15 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | about 4 hours i can't make that damn flicable area page right | 20:15 |
| gri | ZogG_lap1op: What's wrong with it? :) | 20:16 |
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| gri | ZogG_lap1op: Found your description above but don't understand your problem - do you have an example code? | 20:17 |
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| jonni | djszapi: pong | 20:44 |
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| kimju | meh. reimplementing dpkg-divert as a shell script is not exactly fun. | 20:45 |
| jonni | why are you doing that? | 20:46 |
| kimju | pr12 disallowed using dpkg-divert itself. | 20:47 |
| jonni | there is a way, but maybe I shouldnt tell how ;-) | 20:49 |
| jonni | as there is a reason why it was disallowed | 20:50 |
| ieatlint | seems like there's a lot of "but i shouldn't say how" today | 20:51 |
| kimju | it could probably be used to fool aegis in some way.. | 20:51 |
| kimju | the file I'm diverting is not protected, afaik. it's easy to just mv it away, but to support upgrades etc. cleanly needs little more than that. | 20:53 |
| Rantwolf | one question, is there any option to disable the skype contacts in the addressbook? | 20:54 |
| npm | it appears there are some featured-app casualties of the pr1.2 font change (mine's just minor) | 20:55 |
| npm | plus i've closed a few too many apps in landscape mode swiping down | 20:56 |
| npm | plus sometimes apps are stuck in portraint while you hold in landscape and if you swipe down (thinking "left") the app closes | 20:56 |
| npm | but i'll get used to it... otherwise PR1.2 is like stepping into danish designer furniture after living in an overstuffed naughahyde living room for too long (wp7) | 20:59 |
| npm | well finnish, except the finns aren't known for their furniture just their phones and loudspeakers :-) | 21:00 |
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| gri | my n9 always rotates to landscape when I try to read the news on the bus (which I do in portrait) | 21:09 |
| gri | damn thing :P | 21:09 |
| jonni | orientatiolock helps :) | 21:10 |
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| RST38h | gri: you do the bus in portrait? | 21:15 |
| mgedmin | jonni, what orientation lock? | 21:16 |
| Rantwolf | http://www.google.com/url?q=http://my-meego.com/software/applications.php%3FfldAuto%3D504%26faq%3D13&sa=U&ei=1aYhT4ScC4abOpjjxLMI&ved=0CAQQFjAA&client=internal-uds-cse&usg=AFQjCNEgjBjSqnfOXqMbz_tL-S51-JP_9w | 21:17 |
| jonni | mgedmin: there is orientationlock app in forum.meemo.com, and there is also orientationlock in my ovi store BabyLock application | 21:20 |
| mgedmin | oh, cool! (probably) | 21:20 |
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| * SpeedEvil imagines a bluetooth activated set of magnetic manacles. | 21:26 | |
| SpeedEvil | (available in both tasteful blue and pink) | 21:26 |
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| ieatlint | kinky | 21:28 |
| mgedmin | a use case for NFC? | 21:28 |
| Sazpaimon | hey | 21:29 |
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| Sazpaimon | pr1.2 users | 21:29 |
| Sazpaimon | does drive have an "avoid toll roads" option | 21:29 |
| ieatlint | nothing sceams intimacy like "hold on, i need to find my phone to unlock these | 21:29 |
| Sazpaimon | you know, like the feature symbian maps had FOR EVER | 21:30 |
| ieatlint | Sazpaimon: yes | 21:30 |
| ieatlint | and avoid bridges/ferries/etc options, like symbian | 21:30 |
| Sazpaimon | ieatlint, so would you say it's reached parity with symbian with pr1.2? | 21:30 |
| ieatlint | for drive, yeah | 21:30 |
| Sazpaimon | *pairity | 21:30 |
| ieatlint | parity was correct | 21:30 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah it was | 21:30 |
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| ieatlint | also, street names in the voice nav | 21:31 |
| Sazpaimon | I heard, good stuff | 21:31 |
| ieatlint | so yeah, parity :P | 21:31 |
| Sazpaimon | is it better than symbian's or about the same | 21:31 |
| ieatlint | i'd say the same vs the symbian belle phones | 21:31 |
| Sazpaimon | i wouldnt mind no street names if they brought back surfer dude | 21:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | haha | 21:32 |
| Sazpaimon | before the big maps update a few years back I had that as my maps voice | 21:32 |
| Sazpaimon | it was awesome | 21:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm pretty sure you can still download surfer dude using nokia suite | 21:32 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | it might be possible to transfer the surfer dude files to an n9 | 21:32 |
| Sazpaimon | if the format is the same, probably | 21:32 |
| Sazpaimon | i wanna know who's idea was that | 21:32 |
| Sazpaimon | because i wanted to thank them for annoying the hell out of my passengers for the longest time | 21:33 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: if you've got a symbian phone around try checking in nokia suite | 21:34 |
| Sazpaimon | my E71 is in pieces | 21:34 |
| Sazpaimon | oh well :( | 21:34 |
| Sazpaimon | also, i had a bit of a rage moment earlier this week when maps sent me to a toll road | 21:34 |
| Sazpaimon | I had no cash on me | 21:34 |
| Sazpaimon | so I had to pull off to the side, load up gapp and try to get non-toll directions | 21:34 |
| Sazpaimon | later I find out that the car I was driving (it wasn't mine) had an ezpass for the toll road | 21:35 |
| * Sazpaimon mad | 21:35 | |
| Sazpaimon | speaking of google maps | 21:35 |
| Sazpaimon | does the PR1.2 web browser actually load google maps now? | 21:36 |
| Sazpaimon | thats been broken for as long as I can remember | 21:36 |
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| ieatlint | haven't checked | 21:37 |
| ieatlint | i remember it used to work, and then google disabled it | 21:37 |
| ieatlint | but there is a mobile version of the google maps site, just oddly difficult to find | 21:37 |
| Sazpaimon | its not just that, its the entire maps site doesnt work | 21:39 |
| Sazpaimon | even the desktop version | 21:39 |
| Sazpaimon | it will show the map, but then be stuck on some loading screen | 21:40 |
| Sazpaimon | I heard the same happens when you change your useragent to android/iphone | 21:40 |
| ieatlint | here if i try to load maps.google.com, it redirects me to a shitty "maps.google.com/m/local" that doesn't actually provide maps exactly | 21:41 |
| Sazpaimon | you can select the desktop version at the bottom | 21:41 |
| RST38h | Is there still a URL for decent mobile gmaps? | 21:41 |
| ieatlint | ah, i see, tring | 21:41 |
| ieatlint | ok, loaded destkop version fine | 21:41 |
| Sazpaimon | RST38h, nope, google limits it based on useraent | 21:41 |
| Sazpaimon | *useragent | 21:41 |
| ieatlint | but without a mouse, probably difficult to use | 21:41 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah on my PR1.1 N9, it shows a loading graphic behind the map | 21:42 |
| Sazpaimon | and it doesnt go away, and I cant do anything | 21:42 |
| RST38h | Sometimes, there are special URLs | 21:42 |
| RST38h | which Google does not advertise | 21:42 |
| Sazpaimon | http://www.google.com/maps/m used tow rok | 21:42 |
| Sazpaimon | *to work | 21:42 |
| Sazpaimon | but google caught on and disabled it. You have to change your useragent for it to work | 21:43 |
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| ieatlint | ah, i see, yeah, i can't search for anything or similar | 21:43 |
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| ieatlint | yeah, that pissed me off ... why do they care | 21:43 |
| Sazpaimon | honestly I only ever use google maps for transit directions, because nokia maps doesnt have my transit agency | 21:43 |
| ieatlint | it still gave me adverts | 21:43 |
| Sazpaimon | or probably any transit agency in the US | 21:43 |
| ieatlint | they have at least one where i live | 21:44 |
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| Sazpaimon | well i figure if they dont have SEPTA, they wont have a lot | 21:44 |
| Sazpaimon | septa is one of the larger transit agencies in the country | 21:44 |
| ieatlint | hadn't heard of it... somehow septic came to mind with the name :P | 21:45 |
| Sazpaimon | maybe not as big as MTA | 21:45 |
| Sazpaimon | septa handles all the transportation in southeast pennsylvania | 21:45 |
| Sazpaimon | "SEPTA has the 6th-largest U.S. rapid transit system by ridership, and the 5th largest overall transit system, with about 306.9 million annual unlinked trips" | 21:46 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah is one of the biggest, like i thought | 21:46 |
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| Sazpaimon | anyway sucks to hear its still broken | 21:47 |
| Sazpaimon | no use changing the useragent then | 21:47 |
| Sazpaimon | guess Im stuck with gapp | 21:47 |
| ieatlint | well the mobile version of the maps site used to work well i remember | 21:48 |
| Sazpaimon | "used to" | 21:48 |
| ieatlint | yeah, but if the user agent is all that stops it... | 21:48 |
| Sazpaimon | i hear even if you change the useragent it shows the correct mobile site but maps still doesnt work | 21:49 |
| Sazpaimon | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81291 | 21:49 |
| Sazpaimon | "Google Maps loads the fully featured Android mobile version, but doesn't really work. It just says "loading" after asking to allow geolocation." | 21:49 |
| Sazpaimon | same as the desktop version | 21:50 |
| Sazpaimon | i wonder what Gapp does differently | 21:50 |
| ieatlint | gapp uses the api to access the map tiles | 21:51 |
| Sazpaimon | it looks like the standard web interface to me | 21:51 |
| Sazpaimon | and google doesnt have an API for public transit | 21:52 |
| * ieatlint shrugs | 21:53 | |
| ieatlint | i think i met the guy who wrote it last weekend at a conference | 21:53 |
| Sazpaimon | it looks like avery simple qt web interface that simulates an android or iphone browser | 21:54 |
| ieatlint | yeah, just confirmed... he had a desktop app on his laptop he was showing too | 21:55 |
| damaltor | you both could use 2cloudgps" for google maps. not right what you wantet i guess, but it is a way to have google maps on your mobile | 21:55 |
| damaltor | i mean cloudgps, no 2 in there | 21:56 |
| Sazpaimon | thats just maps | 21:56 |
| Sazpaimon | i only ever use google maps for public transit | 21:56 |
| Sazpaimon | which google keeps closed | 21:57 |
| damaltor | oh ok | 21:57 |
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| ieatlint | hrm, suddenly twitter on my n9/pr1.1 stopped working, deleted and tried to re-add, and now it just says "can't connect to twitter" when i try to add it | 23:22 |
| ieatlint | anyone seen an issue like this? | 23:22 |
| ieatlint | it's harder to pretend i'm working when i have to use my desktop to look at twitter | 23:23 |
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| ieatlint | also, another issue with the lumia... the microusb flap doesn't have that satisfing click when you open it | 23:42 |
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| damaltor | ieatlint: according to the dervice book of the n9, the flap can simply be pulled out (and pushed in). maybe you want to pull it out and reinstall it to make sure it sits firm? | 23:46 |
| damaltor | *service book | 23:47 |
| ieatlint | you misunderstand, i'm not having any issues with it | 23:47 |
| ieatlint | my note was that the flap on the n9 has a click noise when you open it | 23:47 |
| ieatlint | on the lumia, it does not | 23:47 |
| damaltor | oh i thought it _had_ that click when it was new, but now the click is gone | 23:48 |
| damaltor | so it is not satisfying be design.... interesting. | 23:48 |
| ieatlint | well, it's definitely on all the n9s i've used, and i got used to it | 23:49 |
| ieatlint | so now the lumia's feels just odd when it doesn't click | 23:49 |
| * ieatlint shrugs | 23:49 | |
| damaltor | why did you buy a lumia anyway? | 23:49 |
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| damaltor | :D | 23:49 |
| ieatlint | because it's an awesome platform, very pretty and ahead of its time | 23:49 |
| damaltor | meh.. | 23:50 |
| artemma | Somebody posted here a link to a web page with all the default harmattan theme icon names. Anybody has such a link at hand? | 23:50 |
| artemma | that's much easier to examine than filesystem | 23:50 |
| * artemma is looking for appropriate icons for InfoBanner You know, for warnings, info, etc | 23:50 | |
| ieatlint | i know which site you mean... have it bookmarked on another computer | 23:50 |
| ieatlint | was a nokia site if i recall even, a wiki one | 23:51 |
| artemma | wiki? I thought it was somewhere on gitorious.. | 23:51 |
| ieatlint | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/MeeGo_Harmattan_QML_ToolIcon_Element_and_Various_icons | 23:51 |
| artemma | hmm, maybe if I search the browser history.. | 23:51 |
| ieatlint | that might not be a complete list | 23:51 |
| artemma | ieatlint: that's a good link, but I remember there was way-way longer list of all the icons. Must be from some sources | 23:52 |
| ieatlint | well, that link doesn't show the inverted icons | 23:52 |
| artemma | aha! | 23:53 |
| artemma | got it | 23:53 |
| artemma | http://qt.gitorious.net/maemo-6-ui-framework/duitheme/blobs/35e22bf53b8ae812d81b64d0dbf687bca167542d/base/meegotouch/ids.txt | 23:53 |
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| ieatlint | oh, you meant just the names... | 23:53 |
| ieatlint | you can find that in the qtsdk too, they just sit in a folder | 23:53 |
| artemma | hmm, though there's no icon that says "banner" | 23:53 |
| artemma | or should I ask another question? | 23:54 |
| artemma | Which icons do you use for warnings in the InfoBanner? | 23:54 |
| artemma | if any | 23:54 |
| ieatlint | ah, you want like an exclamation point in a triangle style? | 23:54 |
| artemma | yep | 23:55 |
| artemma | I want to show this sort of warning when user tries saving unsavable stuff | 23:56 |
| artemma | not a critical error at all, just a warning | 23:56 |
| ieatlint | might be something in that folder... don't have it on my work computer right now | 23:56 |
| ieatlint | might need to just scan through the icons present and see if any would work | 23:57 |
| artemma | In some random qt sources online I see assets/system_banner_thumbnail.png at info banner | 23:57 |
| artemma | but have no idea of what it is | 23:57 |
| artemma | that's not present in SDK | 23:57 |
| ieatlint | i see, for instance, icon-m-common-error... wonder if that could be good | 23:57 |
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| artemma | Hmm, busy precence may work :) | 23:58 |
| artemma | icon-s-status-presence-busy.png | 23:58 |
| artemma | i can't see common error in sdk | 23:59 |
| artemma | though I see it on that web page | 23:59 |
| artemma | will try | 23:59 |
| ieatlint | yeah, i just looked at the webpage... that's unhelpful if they don't match | 23:59 |
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