IRC log of #harmattan for Wednesday, 2012-01-25

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artemmaEver created a contact with 2 numbers in #N9 & lost one on the next sync to Google contacts or MfE? Vote at (you'll need an account, but it's fast and free)00:34
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nwokihi guys, my application (when running on device) hangs with the following text: "Found v1.4 driver, enabling brokenTexSubImage"01:38
nwokiwhat's wrong?01:39
itsnotabigtrucknwoki: just fyi this channel has a lot of europeans who are probably sleeping now or will be soon01:43
itsnotabigtruckthough it's been unusually empty the last few hours...01:43
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nwokiwell, i hope there's a european that doesn't sleep much like me :P01:44
* mgedmin waves01:47
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mgedminbut I don't know what's wrong either01:47
mgedminthe "Found v1.4 driver" is normal/expected01:47
mgedminevery app prints that01:47
nwokiyeah, but after that there's nothing else01:48
nwokii found it01:48
nwokihere is what the problem was:
nwokianswer 1 is correct01:49
nwokiusing "anchors.fill" on root item made everything explode01:49
nwokithat's why i couldn't find it01:51
mgedminwhat's your top element?01:52
mgedminI've a PageStackWindow that doesn't specify size nor anchors, and it shows up all right01:53
nwokii don't use that because when testing on the simulator, I can't get my app  to stick to landscape mode01:53
nwokiso i use directly and "Item"01:54
mgedminoh, did the simulator *finally* get support for landscape mode?01:54
nwokithat's why i used Item01:54
ieatlintyes, the simulator has landscape mode01:54
nwokiieatlint: not for the n901:55
ieatlintyou sure about that?01:55
* ieatlint goes and doubles checks01:55
mgedminyou can rotate the simulated screen 90 degrees, but the app inside doesn't get orientation events etc.01:55
nwokimgedmin: exactly01:55
nwokiieatlint: ^^01:55
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ieatlintoooh, yeah, the app i was testing that did that didn't react to orientation events01:56
ieatlintit just redrew01:56
ieatlintand i can't otherwise verify, forgot i have qt/qtcreator installed at work and not the qtsdk01:56
nwokibummer :S01:57
nwokianyway, finally solved my problem01:57
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nwokiit took away more than an hour of my time :S01:57
ieatlintyeah, that's a common theme of app dev :P01:57
ieatlintwhat's the old addage? 30% of your time to do 70% of the app, and 70% of your time to do the remaining 30%?01:58
itsnotabigtruck70% of the time to do 70% of the app, and another 70% for the other 70% :p02:01
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djszapiHi! Has anybody used owncloud with a Harmattan application ?11:22
rZrhi djszapi u pinged me ?11:23
rZrdjszapi: I plan to setup owncloud on my freedom box11:24
djszapirZr: yes, on gtalk, right ?11:24
rZrxmpp yes :)11:24
djszapiwell, my question was packaging related,  but I am satisfied with my own decision for now :) I will fix the install path inside the install file, and not the rules, if I pass an install prefix, like /opt/myproject to cmake.11:24
rZrok then it's fine , using /opt is ok the debian way else use /usr/local/opt11:25
djszapiyou must use opt for OVI :/11:26
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jonnihave been testing whore800 for a day, and Im switching back to N9 now :)12:11
jonniguess I give it to my wife or some relative or somehing.12:13
djszapinot even to an antagonist ? ;)12:15
dm8tbrjonni: I've been told by ms-live, fakebook and twatter addicts, that only if you use all that it lives up to full potential.12:15
dm8tbrjonni: that said, mine collects dust most of the time too12:15
dm8tbrmy N9 and N950 see lots of use though :)12:15
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jonniheh, tried to add my gmail account and the gmail wizard failed with wrong passwd even when I entered right one. so I gave up12:16
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X-FadeZogG_lap1op: you pinged yesterday? ;)12:26
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npmooh ooh suggests i can intall my own gstreamer plugins and distribute as app??15:43
npmGStreamer plugins /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/lib<PN>.so15:43
* npm has a cunning plan :-)15:44
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qronic@N9Developer: Harmattan 1.2 beta now available as OCF for Nokia N950: #nokia #n916:08
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tommaanyone installed 1.2 already?16:23
faenilwas about to ask the same question16:24
faenilI have last uni exam tomorrow, so not going to flash it today16:24
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artemmawhat would be the proper way for having two versions of a project differing on small details (one #define and an app name probably)?16:32
artemmaI tried using SUBDIRS and create a second .pro file that reuses everything from the real project, but.. Qt Creator project allows for one package definition per complex project :/16:33
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artemmaand btw if I use two projects (pro and normal one) in one package aegis somehow rejects the installation anyway16:34
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khertanoups... no ota :(16:36
khertandoes someone have test new firmware ? backup working this time ?16:37
khertan... dead here too ...16:39
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alteregoWhat do you mean by new firmware? :)16:51
faenilit's out for n95016:51
alteregoOh cool16:51
alteregoDidn't realize16:51
alteregoThough my N950 is being used for Mer so I'm not too bothered ;)16:52
khertandoes it s works well ?16:52
khertanalterego: i mean mer ?16:52
alteregoYes, for what I'm using it for, I don't use it for Nemo at the moment.16:52
alteregoI'm working on something else.16:53
khertanhum core only :)16:53
khertanuseless for using it as a phone16:53
alteregoYes :)16:53
alteregoWell, for the time being ;)16:53
khertanyeh for the moment16:53
khertanif only i could flash also the lumia 800 for an other os16:54
alteregoHeh, yeah, that would be cool16:54
alteregoI've loaned my Lumia(s) out to friend/brother.16:54
alteregoGot no real use for them except getting ideas.16:55
alteregoAnd I have a personal N9 for day-to-day and a development one.16:55
alteregoIt's sad my N900s have been sitting in a drawer for a few months now :/16:56
* alterego wonders how much of an improvement he'll get by upgrading his i3 laptop to an i716:57
alteregoNeed to do a compilation benchmark on this i3 and see how it compares with my other laptops' C2D16:59
jreznik_pr 1.2 is nice, I should find n950 to check the latest version (n9 is my daily phone)17:01
jreznik_alterego: I've ordered i7 machine @ rh with ssd, t520, so I wonder how it will work17:02
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piggzanyone experienced using a qml listview + c++ model? .... i should be able to get it to rowCount() function is being called, but the data() function isnt! :/17:03
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alteregojreznik_: yeah, I've ordered a 4G DDR3 upgrade to bring it to 6G want to use it for serious vms and development work17:03
alteregopiggz: can you your c++ model code :)17:03
piggzalterego: k.....btw, i just got a 6gb amd fusion :)17:04
alteregoNice :)17:04
* alterego also wonders how eSATA compares to USB317:06
jreznik_alterego: there were two options - another was 8x core xeon, but it was workstation and it's quite noisy and sometimes it makes sense to carry laptop to meetings :)17:06
alteregojreznik_: laptop is essential for me, I need to be able to take my workspace with me and not have to worry about network connectivity.17:06
alterego(I toyed with the idea of just having a build server)17:06
faenilcan you read me guys?17:08
alteregofaenil: yes :P17:08
itsnotabigtrucki'm so jealous of you guys that got an L800 for nada17:08
faenilk thx17:08
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alteregoitsnotabigtruck: don't be :P17:09
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piggzalterego: and this is where it is used
alteregoObvious question, you say rowCount is getting called, is it greater than 0? ;)17:10
jreznik_itsnotabigtruck: want one? it's useless for me - I don't have Windows -> no Zune, it can't connect to WPA2-Enterprise... contact syns between N9->L800 does not work (it fails) :)17:11
alteregoAh, I know what the problem is17:11
piggzgo on..17:11
piggz(yes, rowcount is 40)17:11
alteregoI think I know what the problem is, there's a but in SelectionDialog at the moment that I believe stops it from working with QAbstractListModel and QStringList models17:12
alteregomsg djszapi17:12
alteregoHe reported the bug and we came up with a fix for QStringList the patch wont be in until 1.3, so you probably need to copy&paste SelectionDialog from gitorious and package it in your app :(17:14
itsnotabigtruckjreznik_: heh. well if you're serious i wouldn't turn it down, but it is /your/ phone :)17:14
itsnotabigtruckit is a shame that WP7 + linux support isn't so hot17:14
piggzseems related17:14
alteregopiggz: also for sanity sake test it with a plain ListView test case maybe?17:15
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itsnotabigtruckalso ooo, looks like it's time to dump the 1.2 rootfs17:15
piggzalterego: yes, it works as a listview :/17:22
piggzn950 just booted with new fw :)17:23
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itsnotabigtrucklooking at the release notes this update is fairly substantial17:25
alteregopiggz: well, it's not /your/ code then! :D17:26
alteregoitsnotabigtruck: it is 1.2 brings a /lot/ of cool stuff and improvements :)17:26
alteregoCheck out the facial recognition stuff, the camera UI has also been modified.17:26
khertanwhoah one hour later ... n950 still creating the backup17:27
alteregoHeh, have you been downloading a lot of porn khertan :P17:28
khertantwo videos only on the n950 and it s video of my child17:28
khertandoes the backup try to backup music and videos ?17:29
X-FadeBut your mail might be huge.17:29
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piggzmeh, pr1.2 is real golf!17:32
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khertanX-Fade: indeed ... large email db :)17:34
X-Fadekhertan: Happens :)17:35
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khertanX-Fade: 4 gmail account :)17:35
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khertanhope the gsm problem is now fixed17:38
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nwokianyone have any info on multi-touch on the nokia n9 ? Has QML got support for it ?17:43
nwokiare there any hacks to get it to work=?17:43
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X-FadeIt just works?17:44
khertanmulti-touch ?17:44
khertanjust works17:44
khertanX-Fade: +117:44
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MilhouseBefore I install 1.2beta... can anyone confirm if Skype can be installed as per 1.1 on N950?17:44
khertanMilhouse: haven't been able to install it on pr1.117:45
khertan(not found it)17:45
Milhousekhertan: just pull down the deb from the N9/1.1 repo17:45
Milhousei'm assuming the n9/1.1 deb won't work with 1.2beta this time around17:46
Milhousealthough it might, never know17:46
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khertandidn't know ... and too late to try :)17:47
khertanflashing in progress :)17:47
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Milhouseseems to be down...17:57
rantomSo is the beta 1.2 out?17:57
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rantomOdd place to put it, imo, since I looked from here:
rantombut thanks, Milhouse17:58
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djszapimeh, is really down ... wanted to put the link to the landing page.17:59
djszapiX-Fade: lbt ^17:59
X-Fadenetwork outage18:00
Milhouseany feedback on pr1.2beta yet? just about to plug in the cable...18:00
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mjajust flashed and restored a backup18:00
rantomo/ folders (from changelog)18:00
Milhousemja: first impressions?18:01
mjaasking me if I want to restore applications as well :)18:01
djszapiMilhouse: using it for a while, not that bad18:01
Milhousejolly good, thanks both18:01
Milhousei shall proceed... :)18:01
djszapi -> anybody an idea for this packaging issue ?18:02
mgedmindjszapi, weird!  do you have a debian/files mentioning kanagram-harmattan.desktop/ or something?18:03
mgedminwhy is dh_install appending that trailing slash?18:04
* mgedmin has no idea18:04
djszapitrailing what ?18:05
mjaseems to default to dark theme18:05
mjaNFS Shift there by default18:05
mjaand galaxy on fire II18:06
mgedmindjszapi, dh_install: cp -a debian/tmp/debian/kanagram/opt/kanagram/share/applications/kanagram-harmattan.desktop debian/kanagram/usr/share/applications/kanagram-harmattan.desktop/ returned exit code 118:06
mgedminfrom your log18:06
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djszapimgedmin: I think I fixed this.18:06
djszapiyep, works18:06
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mjalike the new virtual keyboard layout18:09
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mjaswype reminds me of wp virtual keyboard18:09
khertanfunny as on Wp you can't swype18:11
mjaI had previously problems downloading some apps off the store. seem to be a problem of the past18:11
khertanmja swipe was already available on pr1.118:11
mjakhertan: I meant the new layout reminds me of the wp layout18:11
mjaaka it's better18:12
mjajust worded it in a silly way, apologies :)18:12
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* Milhouse wonders if it was wise to begin flashing 1.2beta with only 26% battery (sure I had more than that before shutting down)18:13
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mjawon't it be getting more juice via USB?18:14
X-FadeMilhouse: 10% is minimum, flasher itself will monitor that.18:14
Milhousenot from the usb port it's connected to18:14
Milhousethe gui says "not enough juice"18:14
mjalike the new font, looks good in browser18:14
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Milhousex-fade: i hope the flasher gets all the critical stuff out of the way first18:15
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Milhouseworst case i get a stuffed up emmc rather than a brick :)18:15
X-FadeI've tried to flash empty battery devices and it will charge and wait until it reaches 10%.18:16
X-FadeShould be fine.18:16
Milhousei don't suppose any would happen to have a direct link for the Skype N9/1.1 deb? save me from hacking apt to pull it down (should have saved it from last time - doh)18:16
mjaquick q... how to get terminal back?18:17
khertanfunny as pr1.1 didn't let me flash my device because not enough juice in battery18:17
khertanand it was 50%18:17
X-Fademja: enable dev mode18:17
mjait's enabled18:17
mjamaybe disable and then re-enable18:17
Milhouseenable non-store sources, enable developer mode18:18
npmso the 1.2 update says "Skype not supported" on N950 -- why?18:18
npm( )18:18
mjagot both non-store sources and developer mode enabled but I'll try disabling them18:18
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Milhousenpm: my guess, licences18:18
macmaNwhat what, PR1.2 is out?18:18
khertanmacmaN: PR1.2 beta18:18
npmpiggz: so did you update your N950 to 1.2 and does it work?18:18
macmaNyeah of course, the beta18:19
ArkanoiD-NFC polling enabled in lock screen -- what?18:19
macmaNhmmm, yeah skype not support is a big booobooo, can the N9 1.1 package still be installed18:19
Milhousemacman: not sure, but will certainly give it a try18:20
lbtcobs is back in case you'd not noticed18:20
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macmaNhmm, is this 1.2 beta available for upgrade process on the phone18:21
MilhousemacmaN: OCF18:21
Milhouseso not OTA18:21
macmaNand that killed all stuff on the phone huh18:21
macmaNcontacts etc18:22
MilhousemacmaN: Take a backup, flash, restore18:22
piggznpm: yes it worked18:22
npmpiggz: cool. thanks!18:22
Corsaccould upgraded people add comments to the bugs marked as fixed by PR1.2 in harmattan-bugs?18:22
Corsacthat'd be very nice of them :)18:22
piggzMilhouse: macmaNL or, keep your contacts in google and use exchange sync18:23
MilhouseCorsac: I imagine the idea would be to verify them if they're indeed fixed, or reopen if not18:23
khertanMilhouse: if backup / restore works this time :)18:23
Milhousepiggz: Keep mine on Nokia contacts (though not sure for how much longer)18:24
CorsacMilhouse: yes, although I'm not sure they can be reopened *before* the real PR1.2 appears for N9 users18:24
Milhousekhertan: i hope it does! not sure if i should restore my accounts though, considering i had problems last time - suppose it's worth a shot18:24
* ArkanoiD- wonders if contacts merge bug is fixed18:24
Corsac(since ongoing fixes are still possible)18:24
Corsacbut at least adding a comment so people are aware of the status would be nice18:25
MilhouseCorsac: Well if they're meant to be fixed in 1.2, and they're not fixed in 1.2beta, I would say they definitely should be reopened18:25
Milhouseshouldn't have been marked as fixed if they're not fixed18:25
IktwoI was on 1.1 and decided to flash it again and then update to 1.2 as I had problems the first time updated to 1.2, but now I'm getting a bb5_rdc_cert_read failed CMT_RFS failed ERROR: Failed to flash images Status: 418:26
IktwoI can boot but my sim is not recognized :S18:26
Iktwodoes someone knows what's the problem?18:26
ZogG_lap1opjonni: ping18:26
ZogG_lap1opanyone with n950 who already got pr1.2?18:27
CorsacMilhouse: they might have been fixed in the repository but not yet present in the beta18:27
ZogG_lap1opi just wonder if they included the oauth plugin or not =\18:27
MilhouseCorsac: I'd err on the side of caution and reopend18:27
mjaZogG_lap1op: yup18:28
piggzalterego: copying files from qt-components git to my project isnt working....what else woud work? creating a custom dialog in a sheet with a listview + delegate?18:30
Milhousehmmm... bug on Settings -> Display -> Colour profile - doesn't show current value18:30
Milhouselost my lock screen wallpaper too18:33
ZogG_lap1opmja: wait - lemme tell you where to look18:35
Milhouseanyone on 1.1, can they post a link to the default blue lockscreen wallpaper? please? :)18:37
piggzhmmm, no dlna client? only server?18:37
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ZogG_lap1opdamn there is no locate on n918:38
Milhousenice... first spontaenous reboot18:39
Milhousealthough maybe that was because i just install the dev mode package and had switched focus elsewhere...18:39
piggzMilhouse: did you enable develper mode?18:39
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piggzthats why18:39
Milhousepiggz: yep thanks - silly me :)18:39
ZogG_lap1opmja:  ls -l /usr/lib/signon/18:41
ZogG_lap1opor anyone with pr1.218:41
mjaZogG_lap1op: there are files there18:42
mjaand "extensions"18:43 is there18:44
alteregopiggz: I just meant copying SelectionDialog18:47
alteregopiggz: tlk to djszapi, he knows the state of his patch18:47
ZogG_lap1opmja: \0/18:50
ZogG_lap1opthat's what i needed18:50
ZogG_lap1opnext todo for imgrup is account integration18:51
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Milhouseskype from n9/1.1 repo appears to install just fine18:51
piggzalterego: i did copy it, but it needed a CommonDialog...and then CommonDialog didnt know what a Style property was18:52
ZogG_lap1opbut we wouldn't know if the updated skype with hopefully videocalls would be there18:52
MilhousemacmaN: haven't created an account yet though!18:52
ZogG_lap1opMilhouse: for skype? you don't have from prev phone/computer or something?18:53
mjajust made a SIP call over wifi without disabling any codecs and had no hiccups18:53
mjamaybe it's luck or maybe they fixed something18:53
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ZogG_lap1opinteresting how dlna would be integrated18:53
MilhouseZogG_lap1op: Just finished flashing it, first thing I did was install Skype - about to restore backup. Figured if I restored backup BEFORE installing account plugin, I'd lose all my Skype contact details18:54
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ZogG_lap1opMilhouse: =\18:55
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ZogG_lap1opMohammadAG: sup19:11
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npmwhen you create a backup before upgrading, where is the backup file stored, and does it backup all of /home/user /home/developer or do i need to make separate copies of those19:13
tommaMohammadAG, backup restoring worked?19:13
tommasry, Milhouse19:13
Aardnpm: it'll be in /home/user/MyDocs/.backups. it does _not_ cover media files, etc, and does _not_ cover anything from developer user19:15
npmAard: cool thanks19:15
Milhousenpm: MyDocs/.backups19:15
npmhow about .local/share/data/19:15
npmdo those get backed up, or .local/share/*19:15
Milhousetoma: restore kinda worked - didn't restore my twitter or nokia accounts, restored facebook/google talk/skype/sip19:16
npmso maybe this is a stupid question, but does ~/MyDocs/ not get deleted by an update??19:16
Milhousenow trying to work out why ssh has stopped letting me authenticate with a public key (worked before restore - now wants a password grrr)19:16
Milhousenpm: if you OCF, yes19:17
npm(otherwise how could it restore ~/MyDocs/.backup19:17
Aardnpm: yes, you need to copy all of that to your computer before upgrading19:17
Milhouseso you have to put your backup back on to the device using mass storage mode - and you need to create the .backups directory19:17
Milhouseit is a bit dumb, i admit19:17
npmthanks for clarifying... but that's why i asked... it would be kinda stupid to delete one's own backup19:18
Aardnpm: the backups are just zip files, so you can look what's in there. just checked, .local seems not to be backed up (though there should only be recreatable data anyways). .config gets backed up19:18
npmso is there any reason why restoring all of ~user/ is a bad idea?19:18
mgedmincould be...19:18
mgedminthere's magical encrypted aegisfs filesystems mounted in there19:19
npmoh i see looking at ~/MyDocs/.backups/Backup019:19
mgedminI'd be afraid of tampering with them -- you could lose all your messages/contacts/etc.19:19
Aardnpm: yes, if the format of some of the sqlite storage files changed. through the backup application it's possible to account for data changes19:19
* ArkanoiD- wonders what is the point of erasing MyDocs by OCF19:19
ArkanoiD-actually you can dissect the script and disable that annoying part19:19
AardArkanoiD-: you need to update the emmc content, if you don't want to risk some applications not working properly due to old data19:20
CissWiti can't find sms in backup. Are they stored in some sqlite or binary file ?19:21
Corsacin the tracker database19:21
Corsacand the tracker backup is in the settings backup, iirrc19:22
CissWitok thx, i'll have a look there19:22
Corsacbut recovering smses from tracker database might be really painful19:23
CissWitwhy ?19:23
Corsacbecause the tracker is a mess19:23
Corsacyou dont only have messaging there19:23
Corsacyou have the whole tracker database19:23
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npm~ $ tar cf - MyDocs | ssh npm@ "cat > /usr/local/src/n950/MyDocs.tgz"19:30
npmusb networking ftw19:31
ZogG_lap1opbtw do restore install all apps or app by app?19:31
ZogG_lap1opi remember restore after 1.1 upgrade it took me ages19:32
mgedminssh ftw19:33
npmnow if only n950 had fuse-sshfs then usb networking and ssh would be even more winning19:34
ArkanoiD-oh shit, could it be that fscking cdc_phonet bricked my phone again19:35
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petterianyone know if it would be possible to do webpage optimized for N9 that you could left swipe to get next page19:41
radiofreepetteri: yes it's entirely possible19:42
petteriradiofree: any tips on how to get started?19:42
radiofreeI've seen android web pages that have a swipey gallery thingy19:42
radiofreeand these work in the n9 browser19:43
radiofreesorry, no idea19:43
petteriok, i'll try to google some more19:43
radiofreemaybe look at how they do it?19:43
Meceanyone running pr1.2?19:43
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radiofreepetteri: theres also
petteriradiofree: thanks, the gallery works just as expected!19:45
MilhouseMece: Yep19:46
ZogG_lap1opthere is some n9 site btw with that19:46
Milhouseanyone with 1.2beta, is your ssh public key authentication working ok (logging in as user)?19:46
MeceMilhouse, have you tried enabling skype?19:47
MilhouseMece: I installed the N9/1.1 account-plugin - seemed to work ok19:47
Milhousebogged down with an ssh issue right now19:47
MeceMilhouse, ok, thanks.19:47
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vladestOnce your N950 is flashed with this release, you cannot go back to an earlier software release. Please note that Nokia Store still requires applications to work on Harmattan 1.0 and 1.1 releases, in addition to Harmattan 1.2.19:51
ArkanoiD-"Erasing, this may take a while" seems to be forever :-(19:51
DocScrutinizerup to 20 min19:53
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djszapiHey guys! Do you experience this flashing issue on Linux with PR1.2 ?
vladesthow to backup/restore n950?19:54
djszapivladest: I bet, the wikipage has some relevant information19:54
vladestNokia Link doesnt see n95019:54
merlin1991vladest: create a backup with the setting panel thing and copy the folder to your pc19:56
merlin1991it's in settings -> sync and backup19:56
Mecedjszapi, hmm I think I had that issue last time I flashed. is the system trying to mount the device perhaps?19:56
vladestmerlin1991: thanks19:56
djszapiMece not.19:57
piggzdjszapi: edit modprobe to blacklist cdc_phonet19:57
RST38hWhere is PR1.2???19:58
djszapipiggz: already tried.19:58
merlin1991RST38h: there is a pr1.2 prerelease for the n95019:58
RST38hok, thanks19:58
* RST38h is off to destroy his m95019:58
ZogG_lap1opnew model?20:01
RST38hSkype not supported...hmmm20:01
djszapiyou can grab it the old way20:01
RST38hBut at least it can speak in Kazakh now!20:02
RST38hAnd Persian! The ayatollahs will be happy now!20:02
RST38hImprovements to MTF! OMG OMG OMG20:03
CissWiti'm still having a 404 on the 232 repositorie. Has any of you any hint on that ?20:04
tommawhy does oneclickflasher do secure erase?20:04
merlin1991"Improved browser history view" wut?20:05
merlin1991where is the history view at all?20:05
merlin1991and "Front camera support" is rather vague20:05
DocScrutinizeranother HARM, even more err... harmful? ;-P20:06
ZogG_lap1opwhat the f is front camera support i still can't get20:06
ZogG_lap1opit was orking before as well just no qml item for that20:06
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merlin1991"Ability to create playlists" omfg YES20:08
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djszapijonni ping20:08
merlin1991"Possibility to see songs that are on the current play queue" seems like it's going to get a music player after all20:08
DocScrutinizer~update is
infobot...but update is already something else...20:09
DocScrutinizer~#harmattan update is
infobotDocScrutinizer: okay20:09
infobotit has been said that update is
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infobotchan: #harmattan (see _default also)20:10
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DocScrutinizer~_default update20:11
infobotdselect update, grabs the Packages.gz files from their sources and refreshes the available packages. Use before an apt-get upgrade, or you can use apt-get update instead of dselect update20:11
DocScrutinizerfor your convenience :-D20:12
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merlin1991hm bug #88 is marked fixed, I hope that also fixes the issue of swiping away the launcher splashscreen and getting the app back as soon as loaded20:14
_MeeGoBot_Bug enh, Normal, ---, ext-risto.lahti, RESO FIXED, [cloned] When sharing picture in Twitter app, most recent pictures are not shown on the top of the p20:14
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DocScrutinizermerlin1991: ??20:16
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: if you open any application that has a splashscreen, ie fb and swipe away, the app will get fullscreen as soon as it has finsihed loading20:17
DocScrutinizerwhat else should it get? ;-D20:18
merlin1991err stay in the fsckd tasckswticher20:18
merlin1991because i swiped it away todo other stuff?20:18
DocScrutinizertoo complex20:18
merlin1991also hm why did I say bug 88, there was a bug that acually had something in common, but not number 88 :D20:19
_MeeGoBot_Bug enh, Normal, ---, ext-risto.lahti, RESO FIXED, [cloned] When sharing picture in Twitter app, most recent pictures are not shown on the top of the p20:19
DocScrutinizersplashscreens are evil and nasty, and requesting to have main app window behave according to what you did to splash is ... :-x never going to come true20:19
merlin1991oh there is even one20:19
Milhousewhat have they done to swipe... have installed swipe manager, now when i swipe from the left i momentarily see the launcher view before it shows me the feed view. gah!20:20
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DocScrutinizerbug 7720:20
_MeeGoBot_Bug nor, Normal, ---, ext-risto.lahti, RESO FIXED, [cloned] Programs started with splashscreen steal focus20:20
merlin1991^^ exactly what I meant :D20:20
merlin1991there are 3 independent bugreports that state the same problem :D20:21
djszapiright, flashing does not work here :/20:22
merlin1991btw we should fix that on maemo too :D20:22
merlin1991oh yes #558 is fixed20:23
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* merlin1991 is in love with the new update20:23
merlin1991bug #55820:23
_MeeGoBot_Bug nor, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, RESO FIXED, Browser cannot download all MIME Types20:23
djszapimerlin1991: please invite me for the marriage ceremony :D20:24
merlin1991I had the situation of sitting @ uni trying to dl a pdf which failed because the server gave an invalid mime type and the browser therefore rejected the whole thing20:24
Milhouseooer - images are now showing up in the feed view for rss entries20:31
Milhousenever noticed that before20:31
MilhouseQt Blogs RSS feed being one example20:31
alteregoI like the facebook and twitter notifications.20:32
RST38hBTW, will 1.2 update delete my MyDocs, etc?20:32
MilhouseRST38h: Yep20:32
* npm wonders why ~/MyDocs/.feed/enclosures has 40Mb of crap in it20:33
RST38hfrom rss feeds20:34
npmcan they be deleted?20:34
ZogG_lap1opwhy would update delete my docs?20:37
ZogG_lap1opand btw what notifications? does it has now system-wide notifications?20:38
alteregoZogG_lap1op: the lock screen shows facebook and twitter notifications20:38
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alteregoAnd they appear where emails and SMS messages show up20:38
ZogG_lap1opi mean i can set what i wan to get as an update and what not?20:40
ZogG_lap1optalking about notifications20:40
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alteregoYeah, think it counts as that "personal notifications" stuff.20:43
alteregoMay have a separate option I forget :)20:43
tommatook 2mins to flash without mmc secure erase...20:43
tommawhy they have that enabled in oneclickflasher?20:45
ZogG_lap1opalterego: can you check?20:46
ZogG_lap1opwhy still no screenshots =\20:47
alteregoWell, I don''different version20:47
alteregoErm, I dont have it installed, I have a different version :P20:47
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artemmaUpgrading N950 to 1.2 beta. Hopefully my current app-in-progress still makes sense (chooser for active swype languages)20:50
* ArkanoiD- updated, now it runs tracker-store and smartsearch 20:50
RST38hArkanoid: good/bad?20:51
ArkanoiD-don't know if it will ever finish an if it will work properly after that20:51
ArkanoiD-(an still have to re-enable lanscape mode manually)20:52
tommaartemma, chooser for active swype language? is it so hard to select one from list?20:52
artemma#bug 558 - good20:53
artemmabug #55820:53
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artemmatomma: Painful to me. I use 2-3 langs20:53
artemmalong-press + dialog or 20 keypresses to witch between too langs? - No, thanks20:54
artemmabetween *two* langs20:54
mgedminartemma, what about swiping left/right?20:56
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mgedmindoes that always switch between swype and the regular vkb layouts, or can you have multiple swpye languages in the loop?20:57
ArkanoiD-stupid thing20:58
RST38hcan you ave multipleswype languages at all?20:58
ArkanoiD-it asks to "restore applications" and provides a list20:58
RST38hdoesn't swype compile for a particular language?20:58
ArkanoiD-but actually it does not restore20:58
ArkanoiD-you cannot do anything from this list except quitting to general app manager20:59
artemmaRST38h: on my devices swype has some 20 langs, maybe more20:59
RST38hhm, ok20:59
RST38hon Androids, there is a separate .so for each language, afaik21:00
mgedmin20 languages, but Lithuanian is not one of them, for some reason21:00
RST38hjust use Russian!21:01
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ArkanoiD-autocapitalization is still screwed21:04
ArkanoiD-i doubt anyone will ever fix it21:04
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RST38hoff with it21:05
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ArkanoiD-RST38h, sucks really big time when you need to type in russian21:06
RST38hturn it off21:06
ArkanoiD-turn off what?21:07
ArkanoiD-there is no such setting21:07
ArkanoiD-it is there to stay forever21:07
ArkanoiD-(like on e7, btw)21:07
ArkanoiD-some idiot thinks it is soooo useful you won't ever turn it off21:07
* RST38h remembers disabling it on both e7 and n95021:07
RST38hor do you specifically mean swype?21:07
ArkanoiD-how did you do it on n950?21:08
RST38hsome option in input settings21:08
RST38hwhere the prediction is21:08
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ArkanoiD-only two of them21:09
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ArkanoiD-"Error correction" and "Insert with space key"21:09
ArkanoiD-both apply to on-screen keyboards only and neither matters21:09
ArkanoiD-damn is there a way to really restore applications?21:12
RST38hArkanoid: what is the backup dir name btw?21:12
mece1MyDocs/.backup iirc21:12
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meceI'd like to backup everything in home21:13
meceso how do I scp everything except MyDocs?21:13
mecehmm rsync exclude perhaps.21:17
RST38hArkanoid: Try going to Manage Applications,there may be a separate option to restore them21:17
RST38hOh shit, I have not backed up the apt sources =((((21:17
RST38hstupid, stupid me21:17
tommabackup should contain them21:18
RST38hreally? well, let us see21:18
ArkanoiD-RST38h, nope, there is not21:18
ArkanoiD-and damn tracker is still doing "something", io load is close to 100%21:19
tommathere it is: ".backups/Backup0/"21:19
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tommadont know then if it restores them...21:19
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RST38hmgm, looks like restore-applications thing crashes when it tries restoring21:24
RST38hanyone got a fix for that?21:24
* ArkanoiD- wonders if tracker-store will ever stop running at full load21:27
mecersync -rptDuv -e ssh --exclude 'MyDocs' --progress /home/user me@mycomputer:/home/me/n950backup21:28
meceseems to be working21:28
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ZogG_lap1opbtw does n950 has front camera?21:31
meceit's top right instead of bottom like N921:31
RST38hcannot install developer mode gdb21:31
RST38hno more powertop21:32
mecedo you have the repos?21:33
RST38hthis is builtin stuff21:36
RST38hI should not need extra repos21:36
RST38hHP: webOS to be fully open-sourced by September, Enyo 2.0 framework available to developers today21:36
artemmaUpgraded to 1.2. Good so far21:37
meceOk, I did a backup, then backed up everything in MyDocs and then what was possible from /home/user/21:37
meceis there anything else?21:37
jreznikRST38h: replace Enyo with QML and it could be nice open source system (especially as they use QML internally for launcher etc.)21:38
tommahmm... for some reason mail for exchange doesn't sync with google....21:38
tommatries to tell my password isn't right21:38
ZogG_lap1opreplace ovi with market+dalvik21:39
tommabtw artemma, swype honors now those input language settings21:39
tommaso it shows for me only english and finnish21:39
artemmatomma: oups, too bad. Just wasted a week of hard coding then :)21:39
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Jaregreat, are they still changed from the swype language key or by swiping over the keyboard?21:40
RST38hOk, anyone knows how to restore apps list?21:40
meceRST38h, is there such a feature?21:40
RST38hshould be but it crashed on startup21:41
RST38hI have got the list from the backup though, going to do it manually21:41
tommait does offer list of applications and ask which you want to restore but none of them installs... it downloads them right etc21:41
RST38htomma: it crashes right at offering the list21:41
RST38hatleast for me21:41
artemmatomma, just checked myself. Indeed, swype language switching works well now. Heh, should have done app some months ago :)21:41
tommafor me it did give list but restoring any of them didn't work21:42
RST38hdoes ovi store work at all?21:42
ZogG_lap1opRST38h: updates should work with system notifications now21:43
ZogG_lap1optomma: clicking on items do nothing?21:44
ZogG_lap1opi hated app by app installation after updates21:44
RST38hdoes not accept my password to devel-su, is there some default password?21:45
tommaZogG_lap1op, it did ask to install it but failed21:46
meceoh man. I wanna flash, but I'm scared I won't get stuff working as they should..21:47
tommaatleast restoring backup worked better than before...21:49
ZogG_lap1opmece: pussy =)21:49
ZogG_lap1opdo it21:49
meceI will.21:49
ZogG_lap1opDO IT21:49
mecejust checking I have everything backed up21:49
ZogG_lap1oprm -rf21:51
ZogG_lap1opand than do it21:51
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RST38hAnyone can tell me where MeeFolders creates files?21:52
meceRST38h, what did I do?21:53
RST38hmece:told me the default root password21:53
mece"Erasing, this may take a while"21:53
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mececomeoooon already!21:58
* RST38h installs goddamn apps by hand21:58
meceRST38h, bit by bit?21:59
ZogG_lap1opRST38h: all of them one by one?21:59
ZogG_lap1opcommand line or gui?21:59
ZogG_lap1opbtw is it me or rss doesn't show videos?22:01
meceenough with the erasing already!!!22:01
mecegrr argh!22:01
mecehmm this really takes time. Perhaps a quick game of sauerbraten helps.22:02
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RST38hmece: apt-get can install lists22:04
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RST38hso not that much trouble22:04
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RST38hNeed to get 98MBof archives. Yes, baby22:05
RST38hReports this for each packages: Failed to fetch exec:////usr/bin/osa --get 'colourlines'  Sub-process returned an error code22:05
RST38hHere is your problem with restoring packages from backup22:05
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ZogG_lap1opRST38h: where di you get list22:08
rzrbackup is for wimp22:09
rzri am rsyncing btw22:10
ZogG_lap1opas i told "rm -rf"22:10
ZogG_lap1opi want the huge poster of it22:10
rzr{ delete this; }22:10
* RST38h found a way to restore apps. It is ugly.22:11
meceok let's see...22:12
mecephone starts! that's a +22:13
mecethen what?22:13
RST38hthey screwed apt-get again22:14
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RST38hwill they EVER stop screwing apt-get?22:14
meceshould I copy everything back to mydocs or just the backup folder first?22:14
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RST38hbackup first22:15
RST38hactually copy everything that is not a Nokia folder22:16
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mecewhat makes it a nokia folder?22:16
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RST38hhas been there before22:17
mecehmm I'll just copy everything to MyDocs first..22:17
Jarehave you already tested gtalk video? :)22:18
RST38hdoes it work?22:18
Jarei've only heard a rumor that pr1.2 should support it22:18
meceI heard video calling. Dunno if they mean 3g video call or skype or gtalk tho.22:19
rzror jingle22:19
petteribetter work, i used the feature a lot on my N900 and miss with n922:20
Jarenokia did say 3g video call is considered "dead" and there has been talks that skype video isn't coming anytime soon22:21
rzrwell probally useless w/ no front cam22:21
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mecerzr, who has no front cam?22:23
AardJare: gtalx video works quite well (at least over wifi)22:23
Aardin fact, it works with any xmpp account22:23
meceAard, on N950?22:23
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petterinot currently with the default phone app22:25
petterion pr1.122:25
* npm crosses fingers22:25
Aardpetteri: no, it's 1.2 feature22:25
npmErasing, this may take a while.22:25
petteriAard, ok. Good to know22:25
rzrmece: ^22:26
Jareskype video would be nice too22:26
Jareeven though I hate to use their proprietary service22:26
rzrwell we dont need skype if we have good xmpp/jingle support22:26
rzror sup22:26
Jarethe problem is that most people I know use skype and not sip or xmpp/jingle22:27
mecesame here.22:27
mecegah! How slow is my usb???22:27
rzrJare: the problem is those people not harmattan :)22:29
Jareha, well I have high hopes that more and more people are moving to google plus and gtalk in the future22:30
npmdo i get extra points using meego 1.2 (netbook -- lenovo s10-3t) to update meego ? :-)22:31
rzrnpm: what os is running on your s103t ?22:32
rzri tested plasma aktive but it was disapointed22:33
meceok.. restoring.22:33
mecerzr, i'm gonna take a wild guess at MeeGo 1.2 :D22:33
itsnotabigtruckdoes aegis signing work on the package, or the file, level22:34
itsnotabigtruckmight it be possible to reconstitute .debs from the rootfs payload in pr1.2?22:34
rzror win7 ? mine was lost when installing tablet edition :_22:34
itsnotabigtrucknpm: hehe22:35
itsnotabigtruckalso Jare: it might be possible to get people to switch if open SIP servers weren't so sparse, and SIP clients weren't uniformly terrible22:35
itsnotabigtruckeveryone - open source, commercial vendors, etc. - has dropped the ball on voip22:35
mecethere was a notification regarding "partial restoration" but the fcking thing rebooted before I had time to read it.22:36
ZogG_lap1opitsnotabigtruck: bullshit22:37
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ZogG_lap1opi work at support of company providing voip servers22:37
ZogG_lap1opgoing pretty well22:37
Milhousei thought Peregrine were going to support Skype video calls? I tried the current version that doesn't support video calls, but didn't like it. :(22:37
mece"checking applications to restore"22:37
meceso far so good...22:38
itsnotabigtruckalso jingle support in clients is non-existant22:38
rzrsip is decent22:38
mecegah now it wants me to sign in to something but I don't know what it is!22:38
itsnotabigtruckthe devs of the most popular jabber client (pidgin) can't be arsed to build jingle support for windows22:38
rzrjust pay them for22:39
itsnotabigtruckgoogle talk, by far the most widely used jingle client, speaks pre-standard google jingle22:39
rzris gtalk supporting jingle ?22:39
itsnotabigtruckgoogle invented jingle22:39
rzri though that was only their webplugin22:39
petterii think they fixed it22:39
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itsnotabigtruckbut they lost interest in it sometime between writing the original spec, and having it become an xmpp extension standard22:39
rzrare you using gvoice too ?22:39
petteriat least i can call from to gmail.com22:40
ZogG_lap1opi think the best is face 2 face life chat22:40
ZogG_lap1opin reality22:40
e0xZogG_lap1op: +122:40
ZogG_lap1oppetteri: ?22:40
mecegaaah ffs.22:40
* Milhouse wonders if we should be raising defects against 1.2beta (found some minor ones)22:40
meceI clicked something in the restore apps thing, and now it's gone.22:41
ZogG_lap1opi use noicq.org22:41
itsnotabigtruckMilhouse: probably too late but it's worth a try22:41
itsnotabigtruckif you don't report them right this moment they likely won't ever be fixed22:41
ZogG_lap1opand i had unsecurecnnectionsmakemehorny.org22:41
Milhouseitsnotabigtruck: indeed, some are trivial, so why not.22:41
petterii think the jingly support is quite good22:41 - this one22:41
pinheiroError claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy22:42
djszapipinheiro: same here. Make sure cdc_phonet is removed22:42
pinheiromodprobe -r cdc_phonet22:42
pinheiroFATAL: Module cdc_phonet not found.22:42
rzrdo you know some SIP <=2=> XMPP gateways22:42
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djszapipinheiro: ask for a checksum from someone it worked for, on Linux, that is.22:44
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pinheirona thas not the problem its the second time22:44
pinheiroworse part its now again unusable22:45
djszapigo back and hack oxygen instead :D22:45
npmrzr: Linux meegolem #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Jun 21 01:27:31 UTC 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux22:46
rzrhave you tried to put a sim card in it ?22:47
npmFlashing finished at 12:40:5122:47
npmin the s10-3t? or the n950?22:47
rzri got one too22:48
npmbut my n950 is running PR 1.2 :-)22:48
ieatlintooooh, 1.2b for the n950? :)22:48
rzrmy s103t is on debian now22:48
npmand my lunch will burn if i continue so later..22:48
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ZogG_lap1opi use gentoo and funtoo FTW22:51
meceRST38h, so, what was the restore method?22:51 far the n950 1.2 rootfs has decompressed to 3.2gb22:51
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RST38hmece:go to ovi store, go to account, install history, and CLICK AWAY22:52
itsnotabigtruckok, it just failed at the end, i think something's wrong22:52
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meceRST38h, D:22:54
Milhousejust noticed pr1.2beta makes a noise when swiping down to close apps22:54
meceyeah. Cute.22:54
ieatlintheh, that sounds obnoxious22:55
Milhousenot very obvious unless you have Touch screen tones at level 2 or 322:55
rzrjust curious once upgraded , could i boot nemo anydays ?22:55
BluesLeemihouse: any changes within the browser?22:56
BluesLeemilhouse: can you gather all bookmarks in one folder?22:58
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MilhouseBluesLee: you mean bookmark shortcuts? you now put shortcuts into folders23:01
Milhousehaven't done any surfing yet23:01
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ieatlinthuh, still no skype on the n950?23:02
ieatlintlisted even as a "known issue" in the release notes23:02
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Milhouseieatlint: easy fix - same as with 1.123:03
Milhousegrab the n9 version from the n9 repo23:03
ieatlintyeah, just odd23:03
ieatlinti mean, one wouldn't think it would be a licencing issue...23:03
itsnotabigtrucki just realized my rootfs dump was failing because i was writing to fat3223:04
itsnotabigtruckand fat32 means 4 gig limit, lame23:04
ieatlintalso an odd note in the log "Android NDEF Push Protocol disabled" ... does the n9 with pr1.1 support the android push protocol?23:04
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meceI seem to be having trouble installing cluent.23:05
mecegetting "installation interrupted"23:05
rzrErasing, this may take a while.23:05
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BluesLeemilhouse: okay, you a right23:06
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itsnotabigtruckany idea what RM-716 is?23:14
itsnotabigtruckthere's a few google hits on it and it's in the names of some of the items inside the firmware images23:15
rzrunreleased device ?23:15
itsnotabigtruckw00t, extraction complete23:16
rzr#define PRODUCT_RM690_STR               "RM-690" /**< ??? */23:16
mecerzr, lol23:17
itsnotabigtruckrx-71, rm-660, rm-680, rm-690, rm-696, rm-716 are all in the filenames23:17
itsnotabigtruckrm-680 = n950, rm-696 = n9, rx-71 = n900, but that leaves 3 others23:17
mecethis is ancient news tho.. ancient.23:18
itsnotabigtruckalso whoops, rx-51 = n90023:18
itsnotabigtruckrx-71 = ???23:19
itsnotabigtruckand yeah, very ancient, i suppose23:19
rzrBattery level 49 %, continuing.23:19
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rzrthis is taking longer that i thought23:19
Milhouseanyone still got pr1.1?23:20
Milhousecan you check your Google account, if you have a schedule set what does it say under the Schedule field?23:20
rzrnot here23:20
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Milhousei've set a schedule in 1.2beta, but it still shows "Off" - think that's a bug.23:20
rzrBattery level 54 %, continuing.23:21
Milhousefor my Nokia account, it shows when the next shcedule is to take place - so inconsistent behaviour between Google and Nokia accounts23:21
* ArkanoiD- wonders if i can re-enable google contacts sync now23:22
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itsnotabigtruckhm, where's the file containing the aegis security policies located again?23:29
itsnotabigtruckoh, found it, it's var\lib\aegis\restok\restok.conf23:30
RST38hFilemanager fails to install on 1.223:32
RST38hAegis error23:32
itsnotabigtruckuh oh23:33
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itsnotabigtruck here's the N950 PR1.2 aegis policy for ovi apps23:34
RST38hFirefox broken23:34
meceI'm out. tata.23:35
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* rzr !N950Club please report your !Harmattan !MeeGo FirmWare Version, I just upgrd #n950 thx #Nokia23:39
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piggzalterego: i built my own component based on a sheet, and a listview, that takes a model as a property and works rather well :)23:40
rzrRST38h: do u know a decent opensource filemanager ?23:41
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RST38hBut it is already available via Ovi Store, no need to put it into your repo23:44
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itsnotabigtrucknone of the file managers use the system font :/23:46
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mgedminI've File Manager BETA installed; it looks ok; haven't had the need to actually use it for anything yet...23:50
ZogG_lap1oprzr: did you boot nemo on n9 ?23:50
rzrnow installing git and rsync :-)23:54
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itsnotabigtruckmgedmin: but it uses arial/helvetica/whatever it is23:58
itsnotabigtrucknot nokia pure23:58
itsnotabigtruckwhich causes it to not look 'system'23:58
mgedminthis means I'm not as sensitive to fonts as I thought I was23:58
itsnotabigtruckany idea what aegis-rd-source-policy is for23:59

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